gameplay-help

[whole crypt]

15 is bloody 13H + 14

the boats don't hurt as bad as 14 but they still exist unlike in 13

[copper pine]

which is basically an all around comps

[whole crypt]

it's an all round comp with high AA

[copper pine]

w14 is basically can you handle hits on backline by ground instead of air, w13 is more about planes hitting your backline, W15 is a combination of both

[whole crypt]

yes and we're testing a dogshit ship for it

[copper pine]

is it that bad? actually i take that back, yeah norcal is oof

[whole crypt]

before the augment yes

[copper pine]

post augment does help a little to be fair than being a dogshit as always

[whole crypt]

some augments don't make the ship less dogshit, like Scharnhorst this same update

[copper pine]

i mean, its an elite augment kek

[whole crypt]

Saratoga's augment is also arguably an elite augment

[sweet delta]

scharn augment should increase her dps by 15-25%? unless your flagship has 0 FP

20 RLD is also great but losing 20 HIT for 30 FP is not

[copper pine]

now im thinking do ships like unicorn need another power like personal augment since she's already very good

[forest palm]

Typically, no, but they'll do it if they want

[copper pine]

power augment primarily is for unused ship to get some help needed right?

[whole crypt]

how does it help if post augment it's still dogshit, keeping in mind it still costs the same as every other gold aug regardless of quality

Saratoga was still viable for most of the game before aug as well

[copper pine]

i mean sure there are cases like saratoga and other that is already decent enough and don't need one, still gets one.

but most of the cases its for the ships that is never been used anymore when you already got the best ones.. or at least devs want to make it played more.

[whole crypt]

the problem is from the T3 or 4 down to TN ships practically no one already uses them unless waifu, and their augments are all still rubbish, no one is going to magically start using them because of the aug

[sweet delta]

#al-general

[forest palm]

[shell willow]

is this currency from the event that ended and its no longer farmable?

[eternal moth]

It's from the arcade

[shell willow]

ohh thank you

[main latch]

i just finished this early why is it here again ?

[steady beacon]

Series 1, for unknown reasons, repeats once

Just complete them all again and take the rewards

[main latch]

Then what do i do for series 2 ?

does it lock when i claim series 1 ?

[steady beacon]

Well, once Series 1 (repeated) is done, it will move on to Series 2, and so on

(I honestly can't remember if the missions are exactly the same, but they should at least be substantially similar)

[main latch]

Ah okay thanks

[keen sable]

free stuff good

[atomic abyss]

they are

i only did them fairly recently

[lament tree]

Is there anyone here that's a must grab? For thr medals one, I was planning on grabbing bischmark

[wet prairie]

hood if you dont have a decent BB, enty if you havent MLB'd her

[lament tree]

I have like 14 SSR things to MLB her, is hood a SSR?

[wet prairie]

wait wtf theres medal SS now

[wet prairie]

hood is ssr yes

[lament tree]

Oh I c hood

[steady beacon]

Yep, since uh... January I believe
Only one currently available, though

[wet prairie]

Yeah

[lament tree]

Should I still get hood

[atomic abyss]

yes

[steady beacon]

If those are your options, absolutely

[wet prairie]

yes

[lament tree]

Will do

[wet prairie]

though isnt nelson kai good?

[atomic abyss]

she is, but a new playerr has much higher prios than nelson kai

[steady beacon]

She is, ye, but when the time comes for two fleets, you'll probably want one in one, the other in the other

[wet prairie]

cant hurt to have another bb ig

[lament tree]

Got hood, what about the elite ships from the guild shop?

[wet prairie]

skip

unless uni isnt mlb

[steady beacon]

You already have the good ones so uh... LB material (for Lena or Unicorn, if necessary), else you can grab tech if necessary
Like the USS BBs to help unlock Anchorage or something

[lament tree]

Would hood replace Arizona or unicorn or enti?

[wet prairie]

i have an excessive amount of datacore, is there anything outside of the regular i should buy

[steady beacon]

Hood replaces Arizona

[lament tree]

Yeah, I was planning on making 2nd fleet a iron blood one to research roon after the eagle one I'm doing rn. Forgot her name

[steady beacon]

If you have an excessive amount, honestly anything you want lol
At some point I started buying utterly unnecessary stuff like uh
Auxes for a second sub fleet, plenty of FuMOs, four VF-17s (granted, I kinda need them bc of the plane setups I like ), definitely more shells than I objectively need, and uh
Way too many oxytorps (my favourite)

[lament hazel]

How to ask for an account review here?

[wet prairie]

wdym account review?

[lament tree]

Now to put weapons on hood

[atomic abyss]

review of dock and fleet i assume

[south sequoia]

And I guess overall progression

[wet prairie]

This would work (ignore augment, that’s for when you can actually afford it), AA gun is whatevs if no hit

[lament tree]

Oh, this is what I did, let me see what I got

[atomic abyss]

yeah trash that gold BB gun, it's bad

[wet prairie]

i wouldnt use triple THAT 406

[steady beacon]

Well, not that Triple 406

[lament tree]

[wet prairie]

either use the purple 406 mk6 or the japanese gun i have (twin 410mm purple, NOT GOLD)

[atomic abyss]

there are basically no good gold BB guns that come from boxes

[crisp wadi]

I want to ask too, do hood used RN shells or The usual shell?

[wet prairie]

iirc RN replaces heavy?

[steady beacon]

Either is fine
I would not go out of your way to buy the 6CRH shell though
If you don't already have three sets of Type 1 + SHS

[wet prairie]

nvm i would replace white

[jaunty vault]

why

[steady beacon]

Since obviously there exist BBs that are not HMS, on whom the 6CRH's effect does not work

[wet prairie]

dont stack

[lament tree]

Best I got, idk what to do for Second aux slot since I don't got ap shells

[wet prairie]

purple AP shell from boxes or just any FP boosting aux

[steady beacon]

Ditch the towel, that HP aux goes on your destroyers (or, at least, on your frontline)

[wet prairie]

also LB her

[lament tree]

I have either quad 40mm or octo 40mm for anti air

[wet prairie]

any AA works tbh, staag/haze just give +hit points

[wind hazel]

should probably just use your previous purple secondary gun too. this one is terrible

[elfin hollow]

What ship does pearl’s tears works with

[jaunty vault]

every

you basically use it on ship that is most likely to doe first

[late flame]

die* first

[jaunty vault]

in boss fights

[jaunty vault]

[wet prairie]

does pearl tears activate if i use emergency manjuu?

can i trigger it twice

[steady beacon]

It activates after the eight seconds of invuln is up and the ship sinks

[gusty olive]

@steady beacon its fine if i replace Formi with Ark M rite?

[steady beacon]

Sure

[whole crypt]

when they first added it some folks could repeat it for some reason, so they just let everyone get it twice

I think some people even managed to get 3 times but there's no way to reproduce

[wet prairie]

[steady beacon]

[wet prairie]

i want more free stuff

[whole crypt]

I don't need more proto core kthx

[wet prairie]

i do, gimme

[gusty olive]

I regret using core data kekw

[wet prairie]

have we had our gearlab update yet? i forgor

[whole crypt]

prototype cores != core data

next update should be around CN anniv

[gusty olive]

I forgor what to call those, the one that lets u skip cdc

[wet prairie]

so like 4 weeks

[wet prairie]

those are exp chips

[whole crypt]

combat data packs, which analyze into prototype cores

[gusty olive]

yeah, I probably regret using those kekw

[wet prairie]

eh

youll get more protocore eventually, this game isnt as punishing if you play for a long time

[gloomy mesa]

Quick question what's the secret code associated with the cat paws?

And where do I use it?

[wind hazel]

/wiki akashi questline

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Akashi/Questline

[wind hazel]

if you wanna complete it, do it ASAP

gets a little worse the more you progress

[late flame]

or skip

[whole crypt]

just start it and do it when you actually want to

it's just 10 medals Akashi at the end of it

[silk sphinx]

adds her to the building pool too

[late flame]

maybe when scamcat actually gets a decent rework

[silk sphinx]

if you don't want her then skip

[gloomy mesa]

Lol she not that useful?

[atomic abyss]

not even remotely

[whole crypt]

well she's not in every build pool, and 1 ship doesn't really dilute the pool by much

you're not really going to build perm pool for specific SRs anyway

[late flame]

until you get her instead of the ship you wanted

[whole crypt]

if you want to build a specific SR wait for WW, and if you use WW the ship is going to be 2? 2.5? % regardless

[steady beacon]

She is useful to the developers, as the one who takes your money, more or less
Also, in fairness, RNG though it be, her appearing at random in OpSi has saved my ass from AP woes...

[silk sphinx]

the ship itself isn't useful at all, she's pretty much collection only

[late flame]

scamcat the merchant is nice
scamcat in your dock is uh.. well, strictly waifu/collection/free medals

[digital venture]

What pr 4 dr ship do i catchup

[whole crypt]

up to you, usually Anchorage best

[steady beacon]

Uh, you can do both
Which one first? The age-old question...
I'm unabashedly pro-CV, though, so you might want a less biased opinion

[atomic abyss]

agir

[whole crypt]

oh then uhhh up to you still, Agir and Hakuryuu both good but the problem is getting them up to 30

[atomic abyss]

haku isn't gonna see use until max dev

agir can at least be of use earlier

[whole crypt]

well the one thing good about doing Agir first is because she doesn't have FS, so you can stop her prints from dropping sooner

[sinful elk]

Is Hood secondaries really bad or i just throw in the wrong gear for her

[atomic abyss]

yes they are really bad

[steady beacon]

Yes, her secondaries are pretty bad

[late flame]

gear issue

[atomic abyss]

not much you can do to fix it

[whole crypt]

they're relatively bad but more likely gun choice and enhancement problem

also underleveled

[steady beacon]

150 effs DD-locked is just... quite hard to solo handle suicide boats, even if you give her the very best gear you can

[atomic abyss]

eh new player doesn't get much better than twin 120 - i still use twin 120 for hood lol

[whole crypt]

underleveled.

[sinful elk]

90 is not that much of under lvl tho........

[atomic abyss]

7 levels is dealing 14% less damage and taking 14% more

[whole crypt]

couple that with poor gearing

[steady beacon]

Little things add up

[sinful elk]

Oh my gawd

[whole crypt]

shit adds up

[atomic abyss]

and yes, the level difference is a separate mechanic from just stats

[wind hazel]

just worry about it when your fleet starts sinking

if it clears, it clears

[sinful elk]

Can't run auto on 10-1 with hood being flag tho

[wind hazel]

[whole crypt]

you can, if properly leveled and geared

[late flame]

+augment

[whole crypt]

also depends on rest of fleet

[sinful elk]

Maybe but currently the death line if bombships either force my vanguard to die or hood to die

[whole crypt]

if you have lab gun for aux then it's fine, if not it gets a bit iffy

[sweet delta]

Put warspite on bottom not top

[sinful elk]

Oh yeah about this gun is it good

[whole crypt]

no, not this

[steady beacon]

Oh, there is another BB
Didn't click the image to enlarge

[whole crypt]

Hood gun is old rec

[novel condor]

purple gun from boxes better

[whole crypt]

I said aux gun

[sinful elk]

what is aux gun

[whole crypt]

secondary

[steady beacon]

Secondary (it's a DD gun)
End of the tree in USS DD guns

[whole crypt]

the USS "DD gun" or gold AP DD both work

[sinful elk]

Ah that thing

[atomic abyss]

i mean

[steady beacon]

... Wait, what is the second one you're talking about?
The USS DD gun is also a gold AP DD gun

[atomic abyss]

[whole crypt]

KMS

[atomic abyss]

is it really worth gear labbing a DD aux for hood

[wind hazel]

not at his stage lol

[whole crypt]

keep in mind the USS one cannot be used on DDs

[steady beacon]

Oh, the German one
Completely forgot about that one

[atomic abyss]

exactly, the twin 120 is fine lol

[whole crypt]

you actually want to make one for NJ

[atomic abyss]

it was the best option for an extremely long time
NJ isn't hood tho

[whole crypt]

but making a second one for Hood is up you

[atomic abyss]

and hood can't use the purple twin 128 well cos low alpha damage and her low base FP

so purple twin 120 is the best poverty option for hood

[sinful elk]

Aight i guess im gotta keep going

[steady beacon]

Y'know, while we're here
What stig suggested is important, switch Warspite's position
But I also do have to ask, what is Warspite's secondary?

[sinful elk]

Crafted pure out of curiousity

[wind hazel]

[steady beacon]

[novel condor]

wat is that aux gun wat

[steady beacon]

I mean, I guess it crafts upward to Neptune but um...

[wind hazel]

ngl it's my first time seeing it

[atomic abyss]

well there's your problem

[steady beacon]

It's the T3 version of the standard CL gun carried by the HMS CLs (well, the Towns at the very least)
It's... basically only even seen if you craft upwards in the gear lab to Neptune gun

[novel condor]

is that like, the pruple version b4 nep gun?

kinda rememebr something like that from gearlabs

[steady beacon]

Yep

[sinful elk]

Am i fucked up or what

[steady beacon]

Depends on what you have in your depot

[copper kite]

anyone know tier list website ?

[steady beacon]

You may have a good aux gun available, but just haven't realised it yet

/tierlist Take your pick

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Ship Tier Lists

Please note that tier lists are subjective and evaluation criteria differ from creator to creator. We encourage users to use multiple guides to get a better picture for ships' performance and said criteria.

🔹Azur Lane's EN Community Tier List by Rice#7016 & Slime#2203
🔹'Samvaluation' event ships' evaluations by samheart564#4031
🔹CN tier list by NGA

use /equip for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[steady beacon]

All have their strengths and weaknesses tbf, so heed that second sentence

[sinful elk]

I don't think I have any really

[atomic abyss]

ok let's do it this way

give the gun that charys has to warspite

and warspite's goes to helena

[weary fog]

what does the green task icon on zones in Opsi mean?

[atomic abyss]

daily mission

[steady beacon]

Abandon all hope, ye who anchor here
Ngl, you're in World 10...? And you haven't got ANY gold cruiser guns from boxes at all?

[sinful elk]

Huh i dont think that gun perform good on helena tho? Ive put it on her before and see it does kinda little to notice dmg

[atomic abyss]

dude, that purple HE triple 152 is downright atrocious for ANYTHING besides suicide boat interception

[weary fog]

Also is it worth bruteforcing corrosion 6 zones for chapter 5 story snd securing the zones for the first time? I need to spam healing items after each boss fleet

[atomic abyss]

the angle is too narrow for it to be useful for anything BESIDES backliners

[whole crypt]

what levels are your ships, C6 shouldn't need bruteforcing

[steady beacon]

Uhhhhh... arguably not really
Chapter 5 story only unlocks Arbiter, and if you're struggling to clear the mobs then you're probably not ready for Arbiter yet...

[weary fog]

Avg arond 105?

[sinful elk]

Ahh alright

[atomic abyss]

well, 10 levels under will do that

[weary fog]

also just to confirm XF5U is a worthwhile plane to craft right

[whole crypt]

flapjacks are good yes

[gusty olive]

how rare is to increase adaptability in opSi?

[whole crypt]

literally every secured zone will give at least 1

[gusty olive]

o

[sinful elk]

I don't think Hood 7k hp can be that easily decimated by nagato 4 salvos yes?

[atomic abyss]

yes she can, welcome to w10/11

[sweet delta]

Well it clearly did

[atomic abyss]

she is literally 7 levels under

this is why flagships in w10/11 get fire suppressor if they are dying

[sinful elk]

That 14% hit hard

[sweet delta]

Bring a sword

[steady beacon]

Come to PvP and watch HP in the 10,000s get dropped to zero in five seconds

[gusty olive]

come to arbiters and watch my fucking ass die

[shell willow]

is it possible to get past meta ships somehow?

[steady beacon]

Past META Showdown ships eventually get put into the META Archives
Past Cruise Pass ships are supposed to return sometime soon, but the method and timeline are still currently unknown

[late flame]

tbh elite purple meta ships are uh.. collection tier save for 1 which is still shit outside of pvp offense

[steady beacon]

+3 CV RLD and +2 BB RLD

[shell willow]

where do i find meta archives?

[late flame]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/META_Showdown#Dossier_META_Showdown

[steady beacon]

In-game, the right tab
Also, checking in-game, it's properly called Dossiers in EN

[shell willow]

thanks!

[inland shoal]

In 2 weeks give or take

[shell willow]

damn im kinda only interested in QE meta and she seems to be the oldest to not yet be added to dossier. is there any guess/estimate when she might be added?

[steady beacon]

In theory, soon actually...

[gusty olive]

after Rodney M

[steady beacon]

Assuming the usual schedule, she should be added when Rodney META season ends, so about a month's time

[gusty olive]

I can finally mlb her

[shell willow]

[blissful hamlet]

is next UR gonna be french

[steady beacon]

I will honestly only believe it when I see it lol
I've had my heart broken too many times

[whole crypt]

but it was literally already announced that it's french

[blissful hamlet]

Richelieu II

[whole crypt]

we just don't know what ships

[inland shoal]

Inb4 the announcement is about the enemies we fight in the event

[plain saffron]

HMS is not imposible considering HMS is related

[inner delta]

[whole crypt]

just make the french fight the french again we'll be fine

[plain saffron]

HMS UR in french event

[inner delta]

better see first then you make point

[whole crypt]

they literally called it an Iris Libre + VIchya Dominion major event

[blissful hamlet]

Indefatigable

[inner delta]

i saw but i want to make 100% sure from stream before just lying to people about it

[steady beacon]

I still vividly remember Soyuz fronting the Call to Arms
Then the event was randomly German
I will wait for the livestream...

[plain saffron]

all 3 server announced french event

[ember totem]

HMS Anson

[blissful hamlet]

Tirpitz Zwei

[whole crypt]

Soyuz was just the banner pic, they didn't say "soyuz event" or "NP event"

they very clearly said French event

now if they decide to troll us with non-French ships, that's on them

[plain saffron]

CN
◆Event Notice◆
Dark clouds are coming, but hope never dies.
The military journey is full of stormy waves, so move forward fearlessly.
Facing the tempering of the storm, breaking through the shackles of the undercurrent.
The flower of the iris blooms from the radiance,
The holy miracle born in a dream—comes for you!

The latest information ahead——
The new large-scale events of "Free Iris" and "Vichy Holy See" will be launched at the end of the month!
The members are heading to Minato City to prepare for the event!
The battle is coming, commander, please prepare for battle! (`・ω・´)ゞ

JP
[Announcement]
The commander has returned to his busy days after repelling an enemy invasion in Antarctica.
He is kidnapped (?) by a mysterious girl named "Miss D" for a certain plan.

The plan was devised by two "Elizabeths."

With the help of Iris's friends, the commander
Will they be able to accomplish their goal?

A large-scale sea area event is scheduled to be held in late May!

EN
【Preview】

🔔Ding~ The latest intelligence from Enterprise the Reporter arrives: A fleet of Iris Libre and Vichya Dominion is approaching the port!

Be prepared and stay tuned, Commander!

[blissful hamlet]

Queen Elizabeth II

[frank mango]

What kind aux that suit her?

[silver lintel]

Not d30

[steady beacon]

You know, out of curiosity Nagami
I know "Minato City" is basically supposed to be the Chinese term for "port" or whatever, but do you have any idea why the specific name "Minato City" is used?

[plain saffron]

usual BB aux

[steady beacon]

Usual BB aux, but far more importantly, please fix her gun and planes 👀

[whole crypt]

because there is an actual city called Minato city and the MTL thinks it's referring to that, probably

[plain saffron]

yeah if you remove few words in front it somehow TL to port normally so idk

[frank mango]

Ok

[steady beacon]

Tbf, based on what my automatic translators give me whenever I try to translate either the weibo or CN wiki, I think they just are really bad at Chinese...

[frank mango]

Why 😅
That was the only equipment left 🙂

[whole crypt]

港区 > Minato-ku is actually Minato city

[plain saffron]

i can't read moonrunes

[late flame]

which is also japanese = port

[whole crypt]

so it's trying to translate it as Japanese, not "port zone"

or port area

[steady beacon]

[late flame]

port area would be more accurate yeah

[plain saffron]

soo uhh

it try to TL CN text assuming it's JP?

[steady beacon]

Due to her skills, Kearsarge wants a USS main gun (or the Soyuz gun), and she also wants a USS fighter

Interesting, interesting...
The solution is learn Chinese

[plain saffron]

too hard

[cloud fractal]

How do we feel about Montpelier and Suzutsuki?

[whole crypt]

not bad

trust me bro I know moonrunes

[steady beacon]

Suzutsuki is cute
Any further suggestions/recommendations would require the supplying of further information

[atomic abyss]

Monty has a pretty rad aug all things considered

[whole crypt]

anyway monty with aug is not bad but there are better CLs
Suzutsuki is also a decent DD
it really depends on what you want to use them for, and in comparison with who

the moonrunes part wasn't referring to the 2 ships

[atomic abyss]

And the gold Akizukis are all pretty strong gun DDs, though they fall miles short of the DDGs

[frank mango]

I'm too lazy to read that one paragraph skill....but thanks

[steady beacon]

Was literally kept up a whole night after she was released pondering her skills tbh lol

[atomic abyss]

Don't worry, skills will only get longer from here on out

[whole crypt]

there's not a lot to think about
Mk6/Mk7/457/Soyuz gun
HVAR cat or any of the gold USS fighters

[atomic abyss]

Surely it won't be long till we get a ship with 4 skills (not including the siren hunter skills)

Ahahahaha, surely not right

[steady beacon]

Sure, we all may know all that now
Was it abundantly clear when she was released?

[cloud fractal]

Not asking specifically about anything. They’re sitting in my dock and my 1st fleet is all nearing 100 and almost have the retro’s finished on Jav and Uni. Everyone is MLB but need to go to 100+. Just considering my next fleet (probably generic boss fleet).

[steady beacon]

Especially since, at that moment, we were stuck with nothing but the data, and couldn't test her seriously for a few months

[whole crypt]

the only new gear option for her is Soyuz gun since, there's always been few to no alternatives unless you wanted to give up the buffs for timing

[slow fox]

This would be fun. Overlapping skills always make an interesting eHP problem

[atomic abyss]

I mean, what they've essentially been doing now is cramming 2 or 3 skills into 1

[vale spindle]

its not fun for the overlord who recodes you to deal with it

[slow fox]

Sorry Straws

[vale spindle]

straws has been dead for a while its time to move on

[cloud fractal]

Is this the person I have to thank for the guide that I’ve been reading like a religious text for the last week?

[whole crypt]

sam is alive again?

[vale spindle]

sometimes i am sometimes im not

[steady beacon]

Schrodinger's Sam
Can't be sure if he's alive or dead until he turns up

[steep merlin]

Should I retrofit Helena or indipendence first?

[vale spindle]

helena doesnt gain much from retrofit so shes lower priority compared to everyone else

but since helena good you ideally will retrofit her eventually

[steep merlin]

Okay then indipendence first?

[vale spindle]

yes

[south sequoia]

absolutely

[steep merlin]

Got it thanks

[steady beacon]

Without a doubt; her retro's improvement is massive

[cloud fractal]

I need more cores so I can get my Indy 😦 but I grabbed white shell first.

[whole crypt]

you want to retrofit helena later to match the ur BB speeds

[vale spindle]

good things come to ppl who are patient :)

[cloud fractal]

Yeah… white shell —> black shell —> Indy I believe I was told. So farming time!

[steady beacon]

Definitely worse things to get first tbf
Some of us were so impacted by one's first UR, and so indoctrinated into a certain style of playing as a result, that their first core shop purchase was an objectively very bad choice, by comparison 👀

[cloud fractal]

It was implied that given my setup, Indy is extremely good, but that I’d benefit from the shells.

[steady beacon]

All three are good, and the order you get them is arguably dictated most by your current situation, really

[atomic abyss]

Yep

[lament tree]

what is the next event for global?

[cloud fractal]

So I keep learning as I’ve asked questions. There’s really been very little cut and dry “this is the best way.” So a big shoutout to the peeps in this group for tolerating the endless barrage of questions.

[steady beacon]

That's what we're here for

[novel condor]

[steady beacon]

CN anniversary large event sometime late in May (~2 weeks from now)
You can take a look at Nagami's translation of the notice in CN/JP/EN and draw your own conclusions: #gameplay-help message
I'm not saying any more on this

[inland shoal]

Thx Naga for translating the EN notice

[lament tree]

who are iris libre? russian?

[inland shoal]

The allied French

[lament tree]

ooo

[trim shadow]

Is there a way to increase the Fire Rate of a BB ship?

[inland shoal]

Autoloader

[trim shadow]

Like I want to make them shoot slower

[worldly lion]

No UR banners on sight yet?

[steady beacon]

Give them a slower gun is one way...

[inland shoal]

Well that is decreasing the fire rate
You can use slower guns or use worse cats/decrease your reload fleet tech

[trim shadow]

Hmm alright. Thanks

[inland shoal]

There's probably one in ~2 weeks

[worldly lion]

That's good to know.

[cloud fractal]

What world were y’all at before you started using a second fleet? I’m at 8-2 but no issues with one fleet that’s not even fully leveled? Just MLB.

[whole crypt]

my newer sub account was 1-fleeting up to 12

[cloud fractal]

11 and 12 is where we farm though, that’s where the big spike in exp and coins are, correct?

[whole crypt]

coins is mostly progressive from 9 onwards when you get oilcap
XP spikes specifically at 11 and while it continues to go up the XP/oil goes down as you go higher

usually the recommendation is to farm at ch12 because you can trivialize it with some AA, and it also drops cog chips where 11 doesn't

[cloud fractal]

Okay. I just need to get to 9 at this point. Biggest limiting factor is coins and exp to finish getting a full 100 fleet so that I can generate exp books at a reasonable pace.

[coral cairn]

Hello guys. I am at 390/400 pity. I will patiently wait to get to pity and get either shinano or NJ. I am leaning more towards Shinano since I am researching Haku (300 prints ready), have kazagumo ready and since I also have Soyuz and UvH MLB I don't think I really need NJ. What do you guys think?

I also have 6k protocores and have yet to take the UR bulin from cruise pass (so 2 UR Bulins almost ready)

[south sequoia]

I'd take shinano

You already have 3 almost built ur bbs and you have almost the composition prepared for a ur cv fleet

[normal crane]

Is Unicorn worth to 125?

[tranquil panther]

Is it worth retrofitting Saratoga?

[south sequoia]

Worth to 125 but she wouldn't be your first choice

[coral cairn]

Wait, UvH, Soyuz, who is the third? About the CV fleet, I know it includes shinano/haku and then kazagumo (maybe), but who else is required?

[normal crane]

I have New Jersey and Enterprise at 125 atm

[south sequoia]

I'd finish off the rest of your boss fleet first before thinking of uni

Uni with retro is already great and fine at 120

[south sequoia]

fdg

the third member of your backline should be august von parseval

Your comp should look like
Shinano/Haku/AVP
Tank/Kazagumo/Sirius

[coral cairn]

I see, thank you! I was coining FdG actually so it fits perfectly. May I ask what does Sirius do in that CV fleet?

[normal crane]

Should i focus on raising mob fleet then? I only use one fleet till chap 10 rn

[atomic abyss]

Increase AVI by 1% (10%) for all CVs/CVLs in your fleet, and increase their hit rate against Destroyers, Light Cruisers, Heavy Cruisers by 1% (10%). Increase this ship's FP, TRP, and RLD by 1.5% (7%) for each CV/CVL in your fleet.

[coral cairn]

Oh that looks sweet. Thanks!

[south sequoia]

In that case I guess 125 unicorn, but you should be stable enough to start doing a 2nd fleet.

[steady beacon]

Also her AA is pretty good, in case you cannot fit Guam (or Laffey) as your tank in that fleet, for whatever reason (although you should if they are not desperately needed elsewhere)

[atomic abyss]

yes, pvp is auto battle only

[steady beacon]

The purest form of the game, where you can't cheat your way to victory with manual

[obtuse knoll]

what formation is better on 14-4?

[iron ridge]

PvP should be manual too

[atomic abyss]

double line
planes aren't the main threat on w14, subs are the threat on 14-3/4

[obtuse knoll]

okey

[steady beacon]

I mean, it'd be hella fun, but terribly unbalanced
Firstly, Shimakaze deletes two backliners in the first five seconds

[atomic abyss]

for BBs and CAs? AP generally

yes, it's full auto only

[steady beacon]

Yes, I know, and I merely jest

[atomic abyss]

well this is a pve game first and foremost

and the devs haven't exactly changed anything about pvp since the game launched

they only ever attempted a crude form of multiplayer once, and it never reached EN

i mean you say that, but you always have the ability to switch up your formation to your advantage, AND have an attacker's damage buff

[steady beacon]

I manual almost everything serious
But as a result, I can appreciate that simply being able to maneuver and control your strikes confers an extreme advantage
Take Rodney for example... we still haven't found a full auto comp that can break more than maybe slightly better than coinflip consistency (assuming we ignore CN's 75% claim)
On manual? You can probably one shot her with your eyes closed

[south sequoia]

The game heavily favors the offense, losing means its a team diff, gear diff and whatever

[atomic abyss]

giving manual against a dumb AI is just makes PVP completely pointless

[south sequoia]

would also nerf the fuck out of cvs

[atomic abyss]

you are already buffed to high hell and back, and the odds are already stacked dramatically in your favour

if you're still losing then yeah you're simply just weaker

[iron ridge]

Unless players that are online that gets duel notification to manual play against the ships. Only shown up in upper screen.

[steady beacon]

Tbf I'd sign up for that

[atomic abyss]

this game's code is too spaghetti for multiplayer

let alone the servers themselves

[south sequoia]

The netcode would be wonky too

[tame jungle]

Want to play azur lane multiplayer? It’s called world of warships

[south sequoia]

Alright thats enough rambling

[tame jungle]

🦆

[south sequoia]

Back to GPH'ing

[atomic abyss]

iirc, it's like 10% damage buff? i can't rmb

[steady beacon]

Attacker's bonus is a -20% InjureRatio/DMG taken on your ships

[iron ridge]

Tbh I would play 3d azur lane 15v15 while I use azur lane Prinz Heinrich lol

[south sequoia]

the advantages in pvp go reall deep

[south sequoia]

.

If you have no quesitons to ask or questions to answer go to #al-general

[atomic abyss]

wait, it was 20%? wtf

[south sequoia]

I've played the game f2p for 4 years
it is seriously a non issue

[eternal basalt]

Whales don't benefit

[atomic abyss]

i mean... the only real advantage whales have is oath rings

which confer you an extra 6% stat bonus

[south sequoia]

Whales only have a better quality of life, we all play on the same playing field
the game only favors players who have played for a long time, but that doesn't mean new players don't have anything too.

[eternal basalt]

6% IF 200 inf

[plain saffron]

before you make any assumption please read the full details of the PVP first

/wiki exercise

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Exercise
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Memories/An_Exercise_Gone_Slightly_Wrong
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/An_Exercise_Gone_Slightly_Wrong
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Skins/Special_Exercise
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Albion's_Exercise_Report

May 11, 2024, 10:03 AM

[steady beacon]

Yep
Ugh, if you ask me the hull type differences, I probably would have to double check some
But off the top of my head...
DDs are +5% EVA RATE, -25% DMG taken/InjureRatio
CLs are +15% DMG dealt/DamageRatio (edit: and -20% DMG taken/InjureRatio)
CAs are -15% DMG taken/InjureRatio
BB/BC/BBV/CV are -20% DMG dealt/DamageRatio
CVLs are -10% DMG dealt/DamageRatio
And of course, assuming Level 125, all ships' HP are multiplied by 2.4
(Plus plane health modifier )
The actual PvPers can roast me for missing something now

[south sequoia]

And there is also the pvp guide document in #pvp pins.

[atomic abyss]

i mean, it's not like pvp gives any like, big rewards to begin with

all you get is what, merit
and more merit means more stuff you can buy in the shop

except if you play the game long enough, there is nothing worth to even buy lol

[south sequoia]

Playing PVP just means youhave more access to bulins and sometimes cubes
The game doesn't reward a player for having a good defense so most of the time people just do meme fleets

[atomic abyss]

there is a good reason why a lot of old players don't do pvp
there's no point

[south sequoia]

You're overthinking the value of the mode and the rewards you benefit from it

[tame jungle]

PvP
FUNNY SWORDs
But so much to think about
Hustlers must play

[atomic abyss]

what the game does sort of punish unfortunately, is "being new or inconsistent"

[eternal basalt]

You miss plane health modifier

[steady beacon]

Mistake Number 1
Keep 'em coming

[atomic abyss]

it does not punish F2Ps

[south sequoia]

video guides can be outdated, the people who contribute guides here do actively update the guides.

[atomic abyss]

all the whaling in the world does not help a new player keep up with old ones unfortunately

[south sequoia]

Text guides are the ones passed here since it is more reliable to update and share around

[steady beacon]

For PvP, please check the pinned sheet in #pvp
I cannot recommend it enough

[south sequoia]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BewmBsf4EWKAf_UwYax05c7ksL51y6sjs96pIwD73Jc/edit#gid=191479993 just read this

[steady beacon]

Incidentally @eternal basalt , since you're green, this opportunity gave me a moment to realise that there is a mistake on the exercise wiki page
Although I missed it in my list, CL is -20% DMG taken, not -25%

[south sequoia]

shouldnt you have asked nagami

[atomic abyss]

...i wonder if my wiki account still works

oh it does

[atomic abyss]

this bit right?

[steady beacon]

Yep

[south sequoia]

wtf

[atomic abyss]

fixed

[steady beacon]

Important because we want less damage reduction for CLs now 👀

[plain saffron]

my job stolen again 😔

[steady beacon]

Are you the only person who normally does wiki edits? 👀

[plain saffron]

nah i don't even do much wiki editing nowadays

if it's something i'm interested in, i do

[steady beacon]

So basically anything to do with Sara

[eternal basalt]

Was checking it...
"arg_list": {
"attr": "injureRatio",
"number": -0.2

[steady beacon]

Did I make another mistake in the list?

[normal crane]

Where can I get this besides the shop?

[blissful hamlet]

cat node, hidden zone, abyssal

[inland shoal]

Voicelines doko

[normal crane]

Cat node = Akashi shop?

[eternal basalt]

No, meowfficer nodes

[atomic abyss]

nope, the cat paw thingy that you need to send meowff- yeah you get it

[normal crane]

Ahh, thankies

[eternal basalt]

loading screens (even the april fools are missing)

[gritty cairn]

is there any long range AA gun available? There's North Carolina's new Augment Module (Wearable Uniqueness) that says it will recover every vanguard ship with 5% (at max) when that aa gun is fired (with 10 second cooldown)

[steady beacon]

Take your pick from the four Time Fuze AA guns in the Gear Lab

[gritty cairn]

when one of the ship is equipped with said aa gun

[weary fog]

Is Tenzan Kai worth crafting?

the gear lab Tenzan

[inner delta]

usually not, but if you need for specific timing yes

[atomic abyss]

at that point you're probably better off making the german ones no?

tho i gues.... i shd make one tenzan kai myself

[inner delta]

but why, if you dont need it why craft

[gritty cairn]

i only have crafted a few weapons from gear lab

[atomic abyss]

you underestimate my love for converging TBs

[gritty cairn]

but i suspect i may not have enough materials for long ranged aa gun

[inner delta]

yes but you don't need tenzan timing most of the time

[weary fog]

tbh I jus follow the community tier list for gear

[gritty cairn]

(Perhaps since i played BA lately i never got around playing OpSi a lot)

[atomic abyss]

on a more serious note, i just had so much issues desyncing nano haku avp for rodM

[weary fog]

Tenzan Kai seems to be the best purple torpedo bomber

[inner delta]

for converge yeah

cuda still better for paralel

[eternal basalt]

They suck, don't bother even for that buff

[steady beacon]

Understandable... so I guess I will note that the cost of her augment and the material cost of the time fuze AA gun... is considerable
So if you don't have endless resources to throw around, I probably wouldn't go to that effort for NC

[atomic abyss]

...oh wait it's slower than the ryuusei

yeah um, maybe not then

[inner delta]

i told you

literally only use for some comp timing, it's not common

[atomic abyss]

at that point i'm better off making a +9 ryuusei

[inner delta]

+10

[gritty cairn]

I even had NC's AA protection skill maxed

[steady beacon]

At that point, just switch your dive bomber 👀

[gritty cairn]

but it says 5% of her max hp goes to every vanguard, i wished it should be like 10% (or a lot more) then it would be a bit effective to tank even the heaviest ships

[steady beacon]

And that's how Shinano ended up with bloody Fulmars for this META, actually...

[atomic abyss]

all of mine are at +10 tho

[weary fog]

Also is Mainz good? Almost reaching enough IB tech points to start working on IB ships and I like her design

[atomic abyss]

mainz is still pretty darn good
the issue is plymouth exists

[gritty cairn]

last time i used mainz she dealt a lot of damage
that was a few months ago

[atomic abyss]

and even disregarding plymouth, there's scylla, shimanto AND harbin that all beat her

[weary fog]

Nowhere near unlocking her...

[gritty cairn]

unless if you have combat data packs... well you can only grind 24/7

with the Iron Blood vanguards.

[atomic abyss]

i mean, the best thing to do with combat data packs is not use them anyways
turn them into protocore

[gritty cairn]

Some may claim it would take them at least a week or less even without data packs.

[whole crypt]

CDPs are better for proto cores anyway, the grind isn't hard

[weary fog]

What blueprints are worth buying

[atomic abyss]

the grind can be done in a day...

[whole crypt]

it takes like 3 days for XP

including both parts

[atomic abyss]

and no, im not kidding
i have seen people finish the 1 mil on the day itself
and the 2 mil on the day it unlocks too

[whole crypt]

yes it's doable (done)

[steady beacon]

Mhm, assuming an oil capped map, it gets done way faster and more cheaply than you might think lol

[atomic abyss]

if you have none, probably the champagne gun from pr3 gear BPs

[gritty cairn]

2 days since i started researching Iris Libre Champagne and i only got 15%

guess im not like one of these people (fuck....)

[whole crypt]

you're just not grinding enough where the XP is good

[atomic abyss]

in fact, backline exp is faster than frontline

[steady beacon]

I used to think it was a slog too, until PR6 happened and I was like... damn...
I was going too fast, if anything...

[gritty cairn]

Champagne requires main fleet...

[atomic abyss]

and if you have the right ships, french backline is some of the easiest to grind lol...

[whole crypt]

champagne should be pretty fast if you have richelieu +2 french mains

[atomic abyss]

you have preloads everywhere, easy to steal mvp

[gritty cairn]

yeah i already have Richeliu(?) and Jean Bart in place

[weary fog]

so jus buy pr3 gear bps?

[atomic abyss]

throw on dunk or gascogne or clemenceau

[whole crypt]

Richelieu flag is like MVP most of the time, the rest is just grinding where the XP is good enough times

[steady beacon]

Yep, and then you can use them to get the Champagne gun BPs

[atomic abyss]

well until you got about 3 champgagne guns

well if you got soyuz's gun from her event
then 2

[weary fog]

where do these champagne guns go to?

[gritty cairn]

Richie at lvl 89 and Jean Bart at level 95 and the former's still gaining MVP.

[whole crypt]

boss fleets on BBs fighting medium/heavy armour

[atomic abyss]

BBs against med/heavy armour enemies, which appear in OPSI and late game mobbing

[steady beacon]

Triple-barreled AP guns, so basically onto your BBs for fights against medium/heavy armoured bosses

[whole crypt]

at those levels I'd gather you're not farming ch11+, which would explain why it's slow

[weary fog]

whats the real name of the champagne gun?

[gritty cairn]

im at chapter 12

[atomic abyss]

richie needs her barrage to steal mvp after all
JB has ridiculous crits

[weary fog]

406mm?

[gritty cairn]

but there, even my level 120 prinz eugen (not muse) dies quick

[steady beacon]

Triple 406mm/50 Mle 1938

[steady beacon]

Right, in-game it's not called Mle 1938

[atomic abyss]

how is eugen, who is so ridiculously tanky, dying in w12 at 120...

[whole crypt]

sounds like a gear problem, or shitty comp overall making fight too long

[atomic abyss]

your gear has issues, huge ones

[late flame]

skill gear issue

[gritty cairn]

idk... However the other ships i have died first before her but yeah

[whole crypt]

eugen can survive 12 with no gear if the rest of the fleet is proper

[steady beacon]

To be fair, if you think about it, isn't every gear issue a skill issue?

[weary fog]

Only champagne guns for blueprint? what else shld I get

[steady beacon]

For now stick to Champ guns

They are the most valuable of the lot
You can branch out to uh... God, what is in PR3 again
Sextuple Bofors I suppose, afterwards

[whole crypt]

there's no way lv120 eugen is dying in 12 unless your comp is really cucked
I'm leveling random CLs tanking at lv 110 or so in 13-1

[atomic abyss]

i mean at that point pilica, might as well move to tenrais or rockets?

[steady beacon]

I would, true

[atomic abyss]

i mean sextuples are huge upgrades from roombas to be fair....

[whole crypt]

they're not though

[atomic abyss]

wasn't it like 20%?

[whole crypt]

range

the raw damage is like 15% higher

[steady beacon]

Solution: manual

[whole crypt]

so you also have to factoring whole fleet's circle ROF

[gusty olive]

I have 540 pr3 cdp, should I turn them to cores and get that pr4 converging plane? (if have enough anyways)

[gritty cairn]

this is the current gear of hers yeah it is terrible, absolutely terrible...

[steady beacon]

Dear God

[atomic abyss]

that is bad even for a player with eugen at lv50...

[whole crypt]

eugen can survive 12 with no gear if the rest of the fleet is proper

[atomic abyss]

lets open that thread...

[whole crypt]

her 6.6k HP doesn't just magically vaporize

[steady beacon]

Uhhhh... by converging plane, I take it you mean the Saiun Kai?
Sure, that's fine, it is a very good plane
You can also take a Bf109G, if you prefer
But both are fine options

[gritty cairn]

i had put up golden gears at new ships

[whole crypt]

it's not about gear rarity

[atomic abyss]

oh
right
he's using level 90-ish frenchies in w12

[gusty olive]

the Ib one

[late flame]

goldf gear does not mean necessarily mean good

[wary hawk]

Atleast get her some toolboxes!

[whole crypt]

oh gawd is this another one of those "I didn't know blue/purple gear is useful"

[gritty cairn]

im sortieing at 9

[whole crypt]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips#gear here

[whole crypt]

that's only part of the picture
you can level main fleet in the 90s in 12-1

[steady beacon]

One on the left (IB one) is the Bf109G rocket fighter
One on the right (IJN one) is the Saiun Kai, and it is a converging torpedo bomber
Both are good planes; which one you'd prefer depends on what you're looking for
Iirc you already have a good stock of Ryuuseis, so I would probably take left one

[gusty olive]

hmmmmm

[gritty cairn]

the rocket fighter's quite good, adding it to Illustrious (mine's at 110 maybe) she sometimes gained tens of thousands of damage

[whole crypt]

@gritty cairn were you around for Fool's Scales

[atomic abyss]

rocket fighter are... very niche in use

you don't just put it on the mob fleet and tada

[whole crypt]

rocket fighters are for single target medium/light armour, it's mostly only used for bosses

[weary fog]

11-1 is best for exp?

[atomic abyss]

12-4

[whole crypt]

11-1 is best XP/oil
12-1 and 12-4 are better for general grinds

[steady beacon]

Best specifically exp-to-oil ratio

[gritty cairn]

i was around this event but never got clemencau

[void turret]

whats the best stage for exp before world 7? I have all Divergent Chessboard unlocked

[whole crypt]

you don't need Clemenceau, did you get Painleve?

[gritty cairn]

I only got suffren, guichen and painleve

[whole crypt]

then run chessboard D4

[weary fog]

but 11-1 will make do as I level some new ships to conquer everything to 12-4?

[whole crypt]

Painleve is good for 12 because carrier and heal, use her with your grind

[steady beacon]

If you haven't gotten to Ch 12 yet, sure

[gritty cairn]

she is good (except with the 5 sec healing delay but it may not be a big issue right?)

[atomic abyss]

i mean... i frankly find 12-1 easier than 11-1 but

[whole crypt]

so Richelieu/Painleve/(something)

heal delay aside you want a carrier

and Painleve is the best carrier the French have

[gritty cairn]

so i had her in place with Richelieu and Jean Bart in my fleet

[weary fog]

I only cleared 11-1 in chapter 11 and now replacing my BB

[gritty cairn]

may had to put myself to test in the next world

[whole crypt]

do you have Joffre or Bearn

[gritty cairn]

i have both of them yeah

but theyre at the late 80's in level (I hadnt used them a lot)

[whole crypt]

use Richelieu/Painleve/Joffre

make sure they're properly geared and you should be fine

and by properly geared I do not mean all gold gear

[gritty cairn]

i have some steam capaults and oil tanks

[whole crypt]

I have a bigger concern you might be picking bad planes

[gritty cairn]

yeah thats true

[inner delta]

you haven't need to lv shit to the shit then

the basically 0 aa mob fleet dies

[whole crypt]

I used a nearly 0 AA fleet to grind 12-1 so

[atomic abyss]

i mean yooks
a 0 BB fleet also dies in 11-1

[gritty cairn]

all battleship and gun cruisers but no aa and cv's?

[whole crypt]

no carriers no AA carries leveling Chen Hai (non-retro) with the DE cruisers with no AA gun slots

[south sequoia]

possible but depends on the ships and their equipment

[whole crypt]

it felt like shit but I made it

[gritty cairn]

it is possible they could succeed with those

[inner delta]

idk what tech you doing but my backline die

[whole crypt]

(of course I also have no problems with gear)

[inner delta]

with shit like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901103255935942706/1230921957487149107/image.png?ex=66404928&is=663ef7a8&hm=2812f62108f6d7d08f93b42059641c6d05f5eea6aa50ed124f2ab3c847252385&

[cobalt rapids]

hpfaa toolkit

[inner delta]

thuringen literally contribute 0 aa

[atomic abyss]

this is why i have isuzu kai

[whole crypt]

just kill faster

[crimson glacier]

-1 ship of exp

[atomic abyss]

shit damage but all the AA carry in the world

i mean torva, if im grinding frontline, just bring uni or some healer lol

[crimson glacier]

why not both

[inner delta]

exactly

do both

[atomic abyss]

then i have repair ships

[crimson glacier]

-1 ship of exp

[gritty cairn]

repair ship may add some healing potency but... you may need a lot of Firepower to still deal damage

[inner delta]

you are losing so much time not lving both back and front

[gritty cairn]

probably Vestal META may do a lot of damage?

[atomic abyss]

sorry im not tryhard like y'alls

repair ships are only good for AA and not healing

[inner delta]

it's not about tryhard or not, it's time waste

[whole crypt]

easy, just run out of main fleet to level

[atomic abyss]

i mean yooks, the number of 120 i have is like, 30 at most so

[inner delta]

she doesn't but repair ship help with aa

[zinc prairie]

is this okay for pvp?

[whole crypt]

I still have 1115 tech points left to grind

[cobalt rapids]

#pvp

[zinc prairie]

aight

[steady beacon]

Oh this is gonna be fun

[gritty cairn]

maybe not the repairs may not keep them alive

[elfin basin]

Hey, how do you know if a torpedo plane has converging torpedo or not ? I'm looking at the wiki, but can only find "Torpedo Sakura" / "Torpedo Iron Blood" etc

[gritty cairn]

But she has some use with the offensive skill of hers she may deal some damage

[whole crypt]

repair ships are dogshit, just use healer carriers

[steady beacon]

Repair ships aren't to be seriously used for repairs

[atomic abyss]

i mean, that's right

[cobalt rapids]

if its a crimson axis torpedo bombers its converging if its azur lane its parallel

[atomic abyss]

torpedo sakura and torpedo iron blood are converging
the rest are not

[elfin basin]

thanks a bunch !

and I'm guessing the reason why my enterprise is struggling in damage is because i'm not using a converging torpedo bomber on her ? or at least could be a factor ?

[gritty cairn]

not really

Even without gear lab planes she is still a damage dealer (although thats based on pure chance and luck, but 70% seems like a lot)

[steady beacon]

Check the equipment screen in game
If it says Torpedo - Sakura, Torpedo - Iron Blood, or Torpedo - Heavy Sakura, it is converging

[whole crypt]

I'm not sure what you're trying to do but I already told you which 3 main fleet ships to go with

[gritty cairn]

i had not put Vesta META with Richelieu
just on some other fleets, some with lower levels.

[atomic abyss]

unlikely, enty doesn't even rely heavily on tbs

[atomic abyss]

^

[gritty cairn]

ik

[atomic abyss]

use that. the rest don't matter

[elfin basin]

noted, thanks for the infos

[gritty cairn]

i had Jean Bart at my currrent sortie so thanks for that ima change the main fleet

probably my time to put Joffre to use (even tho she's not at MLB yet)

[whole crypt]

LB her

[atomic abyss]

she is purple so

[gritty cairn]

as soon as i get bulins, 2 of them

[atomic abyss]

[novel condor]

are the 14 3 bosses light armoured?

[atomic abyss]

wait, you don't have purple bulins?

[gritty cairn]

i hadnt checked the dock im still on sortie wait a moment

[atomic abyss]

aye, 2 DDs

[novel condor]

ty im just, coping with my 14-3 fleets

[whole crypt]

Joffre gold

[novel condor]

wait isnt that rocket UR plane good for anti light?

[cobalt rapids]

we got bosses on wiki now

[forest palm]

you can brute force 14-3 with AP

[gritty cairn]

yeah no i dont have bulins

[novel condor]

hmmmmm I try next run

[gritty cairn]

i uhh kind of spent them on Shinano-chan

which because i came back from playing Blue Archive i was too late.

[forest palm]

I certainly did, and didn't regret it

[whole crypt]

I wouldn't count on Spearfish to be your main damage against a light boss

[novel condor]

just have fleet comp skill issue ig

[novel condor]

wait then what u use spearfish for then

[whole crypt]

mobbing

[novel condor]

aight ima just slap my tenrai back in

[whole crypt]

the rockets on spearfish are pretty dogshit, the plane is not significantly stronger than other TB options against a light boss

[gritty cairn]

Joffre runs on gold (i didnt have them either)

[whole crypt]

ender brainfart moment

[novel condor]

icic so, u would use that on mobbing only?

[atomic abyss]

no i thought he meant for bearn

[gritty cairn]

sorry no i didnt say bearn

and shes already MLB

[whole crypt]

well then use Bearn until you can MLB Joffre

[gritty cairn]

she could still deal a lot of damage

[obtuse knoll]

is there a drawback to not using my bb as flagship in a 2 cv 1 bb backline?

[atomic abyss]

the inability to kill suicide boats consistently

[whole crypt]

depends

[atomic abyss]

or your barrage misssing entirely for ships without aimed barrages

[crimson glacier]

if a ship comes close to backline, BB being on the middle can shoot both up and down

[cobalt rapids]

yes, it could mess with her barrage if its positional and it makes for worse interception if needed

[gritty cairn]

there are some BB's that could still fire from the middle position

[obtuse knoll]

what about fdg

[crimson glacier]

like everyone of them

[gritty cairn]

i mean even when theyre not at flagship

[atomic abyss]

fdg wants flag if she's not fs5

[whole crypt]

it's not about barrage, it's about secondary gun coverage if you need to deal with suicide boats

[atomic abyss]

but again, we ignoring the biggest issue of suicide boats or other stuff

[whole crypt]

barrages are an entirely different issue

[gritty cairn]

they are manual tbh

[whole crypt]

what manual

[obtuse knoll]

i see

[atomic abyss]

the fact is, there is almost no reason NOT to run a BB in flag for BB+2CV fleets

[obtuse knoll]

nah my fdg in center keep dying in 14-4

[atomic abyss]

subs lol

[gritty cairn]

they really wanted to kill

[late flame]

asw where

[novel condor]

just use subs they really helped a lot

[obtuse knoll]

she died first

[atomic abyss]

if you don't kill subs, they head for the backline

[crimson glacier]

yeah coz CVs wont be targetted

[novel condor]

and asw gear

[whole crypt]

if FdG die in 14-4 it's subs

[crimson glacier]

you have shit fleet if your fdg dies

or gear

[atomic abyss]

so, changing flag would not have fixed the issue

[obtuse knoll]

i mean i can clear it but not consistant since i have to clear it 2 more time for full clear

[atomic abyss]

in fact, it would have made it worse lol

[gritty cairn]

they'd still be dead

[cobalt rapids]

would make the issue worse

[crimson glacier]

isnt like only ship thats better than fdg on w14 mob musashi

[south sequoia]

Yep

[atomic abyss]

cos w14 suicide boats are stonks

[gritty cairn]

Musashi's support skill would make her even more of a target

[crimson glacier]

no

[whole crypt]

or BisZwei with cert if you consider 0ammo

[south sequoia]

Not really, musashis tanking is stupid

[atomic abyss]

are you using any asw even

[whole crypt]

Musashi tanking specifically needs Aquila

[obtuse knoll]

yeah yesterday I have vanguard on my flagship pushing chapter 14 and thats not good

[novel condor]

doesnt she have like 11k worth of HP at 125?

[gritty cairn]

thats why i said it makes her more of a target... Unless its not?

[south sequoia]

Mhm

[crimson glacier]

CVs are hidden so both are always the target

[whole crypt]

BB will always be main target because concealment and even blind damage the CVs take Musashi will soak

[gritty cairn]

Detection gauge

[crimson glacier]

and even if they get revealed musashi can take it anyway

[obtuse knoll]

yeah the comps from yesterday if you still remember, changed sandy to mainz

[crimson glacier]

if you manage to die with musashi then you have made some awful decisions on your fleet

[atomic abyss]

wait.... who changed that com wah

[crimson glacier]

you mean mainz to sandy right?

[obtuse knoll]

no

[atomic abyss]

[crimson glacier]

coz mainz is dogshit in w14

[south sequoia]

sandy would be better than mainz

[obtuse knoll]

what

[atomic abyss]

mainz would take more damage from sub torps lol

[crimson glacier]

meanwhile sandy is amazing

[atomic abyss]

and sandy has high asw for a CL, as high as some DDs even

[south sequoia]

sandy has great dps and reveal

her stars are valuable

[crimson glacier]

well mainz has literally 0 asw so

[obtuse knoll]

I mean my vanguard is not dying at all

[crimson glacier]

ok? so what

[whole crypt]

subs kill main fleet, not vanguard

[atomic abyss]

but no one is doing enough asw so your BACKLINE won't die

[crimson glacier]

we arent talking about that

[atomic abyss]

ok, there is a simple way to solve this
what even IS the mob fleet you are using now

[crimson glacier]

you need better frontline to keep backline safe from subs, mainz is literally unable to do anything to subs

[obtuse knoll]

i see, so shimakaze with hedgehog not enough?

[crimson glacier]

no if you have shit like mainz

[novel condor]

doesnt shima, have less ASW?

[whole crypt]

ASW has good ASW but if only 1 ASW not consistent

[novel condor]

compared to other DDs or CLs

[crimson glacier]

shima asw is fine

[atomic abyss]

just don't use your DDGs for asw...

[whole crypt]

you want more than one source of ASW to be reliable

[crimson glacier]

also asw plane uni bangs

[whole crypt]

usually a decent ASW ship with hedgehog + 1 ASW plane on Unicorn is enough

[novel condor]

the catalina from core shop?

or the helicopter

[cobalt rapids]

no, the tbm avenger from gearlab

[crimson glacier]

isnt catalina that useless meme cooper plane

[novel condor]

oh

[cobalt rapids]

or the gold asw plane from guam event if u got it

[crimson glacier]

and helicopter is the useless meme köln toy

[atomic abyss]

catalina is for cooper ye

[novel condor]

ive been using the wrong gear wtf

[atomic abyss]

the tribal's ASW are scary

[novel condor]

aight ima craft this later

[crimson glacier]

if only they were scary themselves

[atomic abyss]

well i suppose nubian is still a fair shout for w14

[south sequoia]

If you have the asw plane from guam event def use that

[atomic abyss]

and oops janus is a J class
...wait a J class wtf

[inner delta]

"J"anus

ender pls

[obtuse knoll]

yeah I used that on uni, and hedgehog on shima, also mainz has like 120 asw

[novel condor]

missed it so ig ima get the one from gearlabs

[obtuse knoll]

double asw on uni then for more asw? mainz helps a lot with vanguard survivability

[atomic abyss]

again, what even is your mob fleet

[inner delta]

just 1 asw on uni

[novel condor]

fr how r u struggling

[obtuse knoll]

sandy to mainz, hedgehog on shima*

[inner delta]

you want to keep sandy

idk if you have enough asw if your backline just dies

[cobalt rapids]

bad gearing, swap rocket planes from uni, give shima and sandy proper torps, give shima surv aux or even a dc instead of oxy
and the gun on fdg is poverty by w14, use at least a champy

[obtuse knoll]

what rocket planes

[cobalt rapids]

the bf109 ure using

give her an actual fighter, pref a 2x1000lb one

also fdg should be using 155kai for intercept not nepgun

[obtuse knoll]

yeah swapped them uni's to hellcat and fdg's to kai

[cobalt rapids]

and these and try again

[novel condor]

wait 155kai is which gun? cuz I think my FDG is using nepgun also

nvm found it, its the beflast looking guns right?

[cobalt rapids]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_155mm_(3rd_Year_Type)_Kai only for w14 interception due to rammers, nepgun works everywhere else

[novel condor]

is that for w14?

[kind olive]

who's mandatory for W14?

[cobalt rapids]

no1

[kind olive]

[weary fog]

Are DDs in general (Minus Laffey II) not preferred?

[cobalt rapids]

preferably u use good ships irrespective of hull

[steady beacon]

Great thing about this game is that there are many ways to skin the cat (phrase I'm not allowed to use) ways to solve problems...
No ship is ever really "mandatory"

[tame jungle]

Are rockets “bad” on mobbing?

[cobalt rapids]

depends on content

[kind olive]

hmm.. wiki said I should bring ship with big ASW stat

for 14-3 and 14-14

[steady beacon]

Well, unless you want to only fight battleship nodes, you will want to bring ASW capability to 14-3 and 14-4, yes
You don't necessarily need to bring the largest ASW stat ships in the game, though

[kind olive]

I need to 3* both at least once

[hidden garnet]

Guys except Nimi and Felix Schultz. Who else destroyers can use this?

[cobalt rapids]

nimi pref dd guns, its just otto and felix that would use this

[steady beacon]

Otto and um... Type 1936A destroyers
But really, only put it on Otto and Felix

[south sequoia]

All destroyers who can equip dd guns, but yo should avoid equipping it to anyone but otto and felix

these two have a boost when they use a cl gun

others don't

[hidden garnet]

Otto okay

[steady beacon]

I'm more interested in which destroyers can't equip DD guns 👀

[steady beacon]

Probably easier to not speak in the abstract
If you'd like, you can create a thread and post your dock (and possibly equipment) and then I and others can help you construct a fleet to clear 14-3 and 14-4

[hidden garnet]

Okay thanks bro

[sharp token]

from al page does that mean iris or vichya will be the new ur?

[atomic abyss]

maybe

[sharp token]

and also brest completion plan, that also happened before soyuz released

[late flame]

cope for shimanto completion plan to foreshadow* yamato

[sullen creek]

No I don't think I will

[sharp socket]

whats the difference between air superiority and air supremacy

which one is better

[idle jungle]

Richelieu II maybe?

[atomic abyss]

you can click on the icon in game btw

[novel condor]

Kazgumo Cv support skills works well with Sirius one right?

[atomic abyss]

yes they stack

[inner delta]

yea

[novel condor]

ty

[plain saffron]

it will be next event, no idea who will be the UR or which faction it is

[late flame]

as always, wait for announcement

[storm marsh]

What's the difference between Time fuze and normal AA guns?

[jaunty vault]

their range

[weary fog]

How good is Shimakaze nowadays?

[jaunty vault]

normal AA guns contribute to the AA circle no matter the position

time fuze get a conical area

[atomic abyss]

still excellent, only falls behind laff II really

[jaunty vault]

as good as she was

[atomic abyss]

still the best DD for pure torp

[weary fog]

Worth throwing 4 UR bullen at her?

[atomic abyss]

no

[storm marsh]

Thanks

[weary fog]

Damn why

[atomic abyss]

1, backline get higher priority for UR bulin
2, we may have a new UR coming soon

shima isn't exactly hard to outclass by any means, even if she is a rainbow

she is probably as low priority for rainbow bulin as kron

[plain saffron]

time fuze also combines and get averaged cooldown like short range, but they have their own pool, then it shoot cone area from flagship, and when it hit it deals aoe instead of direct distributed dmg like normal aa gun

[weary fog]

Alright thank you

[storm marsh]

Thanks

[late flame]

this is also why its not worth crafting aa fuze guns

[plain saffron]

the only prob is the leading time really

it took too long to lock before shooting

aoe is nice in plane heavy world

[kind olive]

Im trying to keep it short. So hopefully this'll be it.
For boss fleet I have it ready.
This is my mob fleet:

[forest palm]

the gear choose is highly questionable

[tiny kettle]

is kala ideas worth using if i dont have her augment?

[late flame]

nope3

[forest palm]

nope

[tiny kettle]

ah ok

[glossy raptor]

with whom you can replace laffey II?

[glossy raptor]

here

[forest palm]

depends on who you have, it doesn't have to be another DD

[kind olive]

pilica and Alex show me their lineup that use laffey 2 though

[atomic abyss]

because laffey 2 makes things so much easier

[eternal basalt]

LafII is great with ASW gear in x-3 and x-4

[atomic abyss]

as long as you got 1 DD to ASW for w14
you can bring a CL like sandy even

or well, shimanto

[forest palm]

this was an old 14 mob vanguard I used

[steady beacon]

Late but ye, you don't strictly need Laffey II
Also, that wasn't my setup to be clear, that was Ren's cooking, and I can take no credit for it

W14 predates Laffey II by like... more than two years

[frank pulsar]

you can clear w14 lethal with no ur

as long as you know how to fleetbuild and how to gear properly theres a lot of things you can do without ur

[plain saffron]

but harder of course

[frank pulsar]

gifs arent allowed here in gph, you should prob delete it before a mod bonks you

[kind olive]

sent to the gulag

[steady beacon]

I mean, with all the URs you have, there is no reason whatsoever not to use them
In this game, unless you're trying to challenge yourself or trying to meme for fun, the rule, "there's no kill like overkill" very much applies

[kind olive]

Im here for the waifus. not to suffer. So naah

[steady beacon]

Actually, that's a lie; I probably am here for both
But the suffering is fun, in its own way

[kind olive]

bro you good?

[fresh tangle]

So I know x-4 hard mode has carrier retrofit plans but I have all the gold ones I need for unicorn it’s T2 I’m missing. Which chapter is the best for specifically T2?

[frank pulsar]

t2s are craftable from t1

[whole crypt]

you can craft T1s into T2s, the rate's pretty shit but you can do it

[frank pulsar]

you get more than enough blue ones so id say the rates are pretty fair

[fresh tangle]

I have 11 T1 and I need 8 T2 😂

I’m not saying the rates aren’t fair. I’m asking if a particular chapter favours a certain tier

[frank pulsar]

wait for the next day hard mode then, i dont rmb any other source
you still farm highest stage you can even for purple/blue prints

[atomic abyss]

Otherwise, if you have too many blue, just craft to purple

[frank pulsar]

(i think guild shop has a chance for purple print...? idk)

[fresh tangle]

Alright cool. Was thinking maybe you get more T3 at higher stages etc

[elfin hollow]

Hello everyone
Question
FuMO25

[frank pulsar]

what about it

[fresh tangle]

Plenty of gold carrier 😂

[steady beacon]

It does, yes... but it is RNG ofc to roll it in the first place and with enough bad luck you could go long without seeing one

[elfin hollow]

Is it worth it as a means to enhance fp and acc?

[frank pulsar]

its only worth on gunboats when survivability isnt a concern

[steady beacon]

Early on, or even late middlegame? No
Deep endgame when you have literally nothing better to spend core data on? Sure, why not

[elfin hollow]

Oh...

Wow...

[atomic abyss]

Tldr, for any actually challenging content
Frontline prioritises survival for their auxiliary gear

[frank pulsar]

the stats are good but not worth using over survivability aux since they increase your ship bulk by a very large amount

[steady beacon]

Or, to put it another way
Dead = doing zero damage

[elfin hollow]

So, whenever a fleet needs to survive, whatever it takes even if it means neglecting other stats being enhanced

[atomic abyss]

No

[elfin hollow]

So, basically, hp and evasion all the way?

[soft raft]

literally just use good ships with good gear, properly lvld gear, and proper lvls

Shrimple as that

[atomic abyss]

Frontline simply will almost never do as much damage as the backline
So in a way, you're simply buying time with your frontline for your backline to do most of the damage

[viscid swift]

there is such thing as sometimes the best defense is a good offense in this game

[frank pulsar]

your vanguard needs to have enough dps to clean up stragglers and such too

[fresh tangle]

First hard mode of the day and I got kaga… any good?

[frank pulsar]

fox sisters suck

[steady beacon]

Crikey, the fox mine

[soft raft]

Painfully eh, even with her sister

[elfin hollow]

I got Akagi and Kaga up to 100, and they've been collecting dust ever since

[cobalt rapids]

shinano and musashi suck

[fresh tangle]

Haha fleet tech dust collector it is

[steady beacon]

These days you pretty much only use Carrier Division One for waifu, and for fun
Not that you can't do either, of course, but in terms of helping your progression...

[elfin hollow]

I don't even need any more tech points for Sakura, so I won't even bother with taking them to 120

[fresh tangle]

Yeah I’m very much in progression mode. Looking forward to a Portland upgrade and who does enterprise replace?

Anchorage replaces Portland iirc

[steady beacon]

If I remember your fleet correctly, probably little Shinano...
If I remember incorrectly, then I have no idea

[soft raft]

yeah she would replace lil nano in a heartbeat (Once she's properly leveled of course)

[fresh tangle]

Aww that sucks I love the dreaming butterfly 😂

[atomic abyss]

It barely does any damage tho

[soft raft]

and realistically there arent really any worthwhile investments to replace Portland until you unlock Anchorage or get a event ship

[fresh tangle]

Ah really? I’m ridiculously over levelled atm so my gear isn’t optimised I’m steam rolling everything

[atomic abyss]

Even the big Shinano's butterfly barrage doesn't do much

[tropic tusk]

wait till u get the big version

[soft raft]

Roon Muse is technically better but costs 1.2k Core data and Roon is basically Portland sidegrade

[fresh tangle]

Ender disagrees 😂

[elfin hollow]

Oh, talking about platypuses... For a single nation fleet (combat exp at shipyard thingy), any tips in general? Like, fleet composition, where to farm in terms of oil cost and exp/drop (and thus which level to start at)