gameplay-help

[elfin hollow]

I already got the cogs modules eugen and the towel

[steady beacon]

DR prints if you need them
Else, free for all, really

Oh SR cat box

[elfin hollow]

I already got enough to fs5 the DRs

[gusty olive]

Is Prototype Su-2 decent?

[steady beacon]

Decent? Sure

[sweet delta]

sb2c is good

[steady beacon]

Issue, to some degree, is the relatively limited use cases (where you could, in many instances, stuff something more brainless and more common on instead)

[sweet delta]

su-2 is decent

good is better than decent

[steady beacon]

And if you have a Tenrai, that is better than good

[sweet delta]

tenrai > good > decent

[keen sable]

cheap good or expensive bad...

[gusty olive]

performance wise, SB2C...
XSB3C is just that but gold right?

[steady beacon]

Oh the resources I burned for 20 AVI

Also an arguably more aesthetic plane, but your mileage may vary

[steady beacon]

All jokes aside... yes

[gusty olive]

I guess sb2c is better than su-2

[steady beacon]

At least when you're not trying desperately to slot AvP between the two IJNs with not enough equipment

[gusty olive]

I dont even have AVP

[steady beacon]

'tis fine
That was just the one time I actually remember using the Su-2 at all
Pretty sure AvP still carries it to this day, actually...

[gusty olive]

as for torp bombers... I use Aichi b7a Ryusei

[steady beacon]

Sure, that's fine
Although I guess I should clarify, are you equipping for some boss fight?

[gusty olive]

CV bossfleet yeah

the CV's are Ark, Enty, Formi mainly cus those are my most decked out ones

since Shinano is not yet mlb, and Kearsarge is not even dev20/30

[steady beacon]

Ye, sounds fine enough
Kinda reminiscent of the time when I didn't even have Shinano and Kearsarge didn't exist yet and the CV fleet I'm today so proud of was in proto-prototype form
Feel free to ask, in a thread or otherwise, if you need any other help or advice putting it together (I imagine for OpSi)

[gusty olive]

OpSi yes...

It's really my CV fleet that sucks

Even my full META backline can dish out more (mainly cus I placed Laffii with dmg control there)

basically this

[steady beacon]

In fairness, those METAs aren't to be trifled with, especially since they all have META skills that help them against OpSi humanoid bosses
Whereas Formi, no matter how fond I am of her, is uh... not that great
And depending on RNG, both Enty and AR have their awful days

[cloud fractal]

Gross. Takes 4 full clears to 3 star 8-1? Does that keep getting worse the later you go in the worlds? Not that I guess it matters post 11 where the exp spike happens.

[novel condor]

Wait the META ships have anti opsi humanoid boss skills?

[steady beacon]

Quite a few of them, yep
Of varying quality, though
It's all in their "Ashen Might" or equivalent skill

For instance, this is QE's (Cinders of Hope): [Operation Siren] When fighting humanoid Siren fleets or Boss fleets: increases this ship's Crit DMG dealt by 5% (8%).
Helena (Ashen Might): Activates Ashen Might - Helena I (II) once every 15 (10) times the Main Guns are fired. Additionally, in Operation Siren, when fighting humanoid Siren fleets or Boss fleets, increase your Vanguard's damage dealt by 3% (5%).
Renown (Ashen Might): [Operation Siren] When fighting humanoid Siren fleets or Boss fleets: increases this ship's FP and AA by 5% (8%).
And so on

[sweet delta]

NC barrage: 150 dmg * 2 AP shells * 80/100/130% armor * 100% coef by 100% FP, splash 15, spread 16, speed 150, expose 5, no armor break, aim at priority target

[keen sable]

is torp sfx normal for bb shells?

[steady beacon]

Also, is it just me or can everyone these days put together a triple UR BB boss fleet that I basically could not for like two damn years

[sweet delta]

what else would shells sound like?

[gusty olive]

I just use em cus yeah... I would use an HMS one though if I had any UR BB that isnt Warspite

[novel condor]

I can't either

[steady beacon]

Out of curiosity, do you mean the sound of the launching or the impact
Because the sound of an explosion of any naval ordnance is more or less the same

[keen sable]

the hit sfx for nc barrage is torp

[gusty olive]

I never tried Arbiter hard yet cus I'm definetly going to get booted out like... 10x or more

[keen sable]

the mods are torp also

[steady beacon]

I mean, that is a very solid BB fleet, to be clear... irrespective of any HMS ship (and ye, the only one that could possibly fit on that fleet as it stands is Vanguard)

[steady beacon]

I'd give it a try tbh, although obvious I can't see your fleet 1 or subs... I've uh... definitely cleared hard Arbiters in four fleets with way worse if that helps lol

[left cedar]

Schar barrage upgrade datamine ? suchi did it ? or Thorin ?

[gusty olive]

Fleet 1 is a faction fleet for mobbing

[steady beacon]

Someone did/has it
It's basically just doubling her number of Sniper shells, I believe

[left cedar]

double amount of shells or dmg ?

also, for Flagship scales 100% FP?

[gusty olive]

also my subs are

Flasher (lv105), Albacore (lv100), Nautilus (lv100)

[steady beacon]

Double amount of shells, but since the added shells are fired by the flagship, and they scale with flagship's FP, the amount of damage may be more or less than double (probably more, though, given Scharnhorst's FP ranking)

[left cedar]

i see, arigathanx, maybe i will make a funny fleet to test how "powerfull" it will be this
wut it will be laughable weak, but may be funny

[kindred dust]

Is there a guide to sweat in pvp

[sweet delta]

the augment upgraded scharn's guaranteed crit effect

[steady beacon]

Ah, my dear American subs
Seriously, though, that is a better fleet than I used against my first Arbiters, so provided your equipment isn't a complete basket case (and based on what you said about your CV fleet planes, I doubt it is), I would definitely give the Hard Arbiter a try
It's honestly a lot more intimidating than it sounds, and when you give it a try, you will often find that you vastly overestimated how hard it was

[left cedar]

o yeah, right, garanteed crits to 0 dmg ... yeah... super OP

[sweet delta]

before, it was crit rate +100%. Now, it actually guarantees a crit

[steady beacon]

Check the top pin in #pvp
Assuming that's what you mean by "sweat in PvP", at least

[steady beacon]

So, in other words, if you applied some debuff to her crit rate that exceeded her natural crit rate, those shells could be forced to not crit, then?
Fascinating...

[gusty olive]

the torps are Acoustic Homing Sub Torp (gold)

[steady beacon]

There are like three though
Although probably at this stage, as long as it's not the one really bad one in the Gear Lab, either one of the homing torps on the subs should be fine
Something is always better than nothing

[gusty olive]

G7e

[sinful elk]

Is corrsion 5 hard chat

[steady beacon]

Yep, that'll do

[steady beacon]

Depends on your fleet

Also depends on what the actual boss is, really
If you get the zombie one and you can't do enough burst, it's basically impossible

[gusty olive]

I guess my problem is just the CV and vanguard survivability ig

[sinful elk]

You mean the healing mod?

[steady beacon]

Yep
The L5 Abyssal is... iirc Level 120? So... keep that in mind
Especially if that is your ONLY fleet that can fight a boss of that level

[sinful elk]

Why tho? Other fleets can get ambushed?

[sweet delta]

scharn augment changes the barrage from 10 expose to 0 expose, and the flagship also fires the same 0 expose barrage with guaranteed crit

[steady beacon]

Yep Strength (this month's Arbiter) can be a bit RNG in that your vanguard sometimes get vaporised at random... but your vanguards for the three fleets shown are reasonably solid, except for that Unzen main tank, so... if you can coax at least two rotations from each fleet shown, I can at least imagine it working

[left cedar]

GARANTEED CRIT FOR FLAG ?
so that works for FdG ... maybe that makes a bit more funny to see it, arigathanx

[steady beacon]

If your other fleets are underlevelled and/or even weaker than the one fleet shown, then... "ambushed"... sure
In the sense that they are gonna get whacked

[gusty olive]

I use 2 toolkits for guam, any alternative?

[steady beacon]

Rudder + Beaver

[gusty olive]

rudder?

[sweet delta]

guaranteed crit on a 106 dmg * 3 shells barrage

[eternal basalt]

Not yalking about hard arbiter, just c5 abyssakll though

[left cedar]

but still scale with FdG Crit mechanics, right ?

[steady beacon]

... Gdi, what is its proper name...
This thing

[gusty olive]

washing machine

[steady beacon]

Not a "Rudder" in its entire name
But that is what I colloquially call it

Ah washing machine, ye that's probably a better and more evocative name

[left cedar]

Rudder is shorter, so better

[left cedar]

holding myself to not call as Rudy

[novel condor]

washing machine sounds better wdym

[forest palm]

[sweet delta]

it should work, but that means kicking uvh from the fleet but then uvh can crossfleet for +10% more crit dmg

[gusty olive]

wonder if putting support towel blue helps for survival

[sweet delta]

it's all coming together, 210% on a 106 dmg shell

[gusty olive]

actually nvm

2% too smol

[steady beacon]

Uh... it helps in the sense of being a 550 HP aux tbf
So its effectiveness depends more on who you're putting it on
The fact that it's technically a MORE than 550 HP aux is worth observing, actually (at least on the assumption that the equipped ship is taking some damage in the first 15 secs, which... is probably valid against an Arbiter)

[eternal basalt]

Its not better than 1x repair toolkit though, mostly used secondary for DD.

[left cedar]

that is wut i already do in the end ... i do everything for my FdG, and in the end i will do just a funny fleet, i really doubt that will be better than Bis2/Vang

[gusty olive]

too bad i have none to replace unzen in fleet 4 lol... to low of an hp to tank

Laffii hard carries on survival there especially when I also placed dmg control on her

Maybe I'll put Carl after I level her

[steady beacon]

Ngl, there's a part of me that wonders if Laffey might be more solid as tank, although Strength's density of fire does make me a bit worried, since that is Laffey's worst enemy as we learned in the other arena...
I mean, I always main tank her on manual (but then again, anyone can main tank on manual), but I can still imagine it being somewhat RNG on auto...

[gusty olive]

I play manual but her being middle definetly helps on her for surviving longer enough for the BB's to fire more shots

[steady beacon]

Yep, that's very fair

[gusty olive]

Meanwhile its the CV I have issue cus Vanguard is basically over once I launch 3 strikes

6 if lucky

[steady beacon]

Huh, really?
Hmmmmm...
A bit surprised Guam collapses that easily...
Well, if you manual, there's always the screen clear trick
Strength's big attacks always happen when she jumps up, so if you save your airstrikes for that moment, you can clear her bullets
Plus since you're using AR, you aren't restricted to hitting just her stationary points, and no timed debuffer means not having to launch in set intervals, so you're free to launch your airstrikes when convenient

[gusty olive]

Man... Laffii is so damn durable for a DD lol

[steady beacon]

Oh, the other thing that might help, maybe, if you manual is uh
The redirection of her blue slowing field
After dodging past her initial attacks, just before she fires the blue orb that activates the slowing field (about 01:20 mark on the clock) rush your vanguard to either the top right or bottom right of the screen, as far as you can go
This reduces the area that the slowing field covers, allowing your vanguard better maneuverability
Since, at least in my experience, getting caught in the slowing field can make dodging some of her big attacks (like the arrow) quite difficult, especially if it's smack dab in the middle of the battlefield

[gusty olive]

Fleet 4 brought Strength (hard) down to 88

[fresh gale]

is there some reset timing change or bug? hard mode count and opsi didn't reset as usual

[steady beacon]

Log out and login again
Almost certainly a desync issue
Same problem we have with Rodney META

[fresh gale]

thanks

[gusty olive]

Hardmode arbiter can only be done in 1 go huh

[steady beacon]

Oh yep
Four fleets
No heal, no retreat
I forgot to mention that

[gusty olive]

Only managed to bring her to 67/100

[steady beacon]

If you're having trouble, you can start a thread and I'll see if I can help
Because... outside of some utterly unbelievable equipment issues, I'm... at least 99% confident you should be able to do this

[gusty olive]

must be equips since i dont +13 yet

[weary fog]

Any priority from core shop?

[gusty olive]

cus unsure which should I +13

[novel condor]

Prob should make a thread bout it

[steady beacon]

I mean, I'm currently doing some tests with arguably kind of scuffed equipment and one fleet can bring her down to half in two rotations, so your fleets should be able to do better than that... probably just needs some optimisation (and perhaps some manual tricks)

[novel condor]

This with manual?

[untold trout]

What do I do with these data packs I'm getting?

[gusty olive]

should probably send ss of equips of ships and also remove the mob fleet (fleet 1) when doing arbiters

[jaunty vault]

are they exp data packs or combat data packs

[steady beacon]

No, auto
I do normally manual, mind you, but for these tests, I need auto bc my manual is just gonna cause even more disgusting variation in the results

[untold trout]

Combat

[jaunty vault]

turn to protocore

[novel condor]

Hmmm icic

[untold trout]

How I do dat?

[jaunty vault]

from depot

unless you wanna use them as exp fodder for shipyard missions
which we do not recommend but it is an option

[untold trout]

Well, I don't have any ships worth doing that for, so proto cores they become

[gusty olive]

Current OpSi Fleet

[steady beacon]

The difference between auto and manual, this month at least, is the difference (so far) between 50 bars' HP worth in two rotations and flat out cheating the anti-shell shield and killing with a single BB fleet tbh
Manual really is the greatest cheat in this entire game

[novel condor]

Interesting

[cloud fractal]

What is the Defeat All Enemies req? Get a Full Combo is everything that spawns on the map, so what’s the difference? Is All Enemies like every type of enemy that can randomly appear?

[novel condor]

Maybe I should try manual I usually auto the arbiters

[novel condor]

Defeat all the enemies shown in the map I think

[south sequoia]

Both are the same, just different wording

[cloud fractal]

Are there enemies hidden on a world map? Because I just did that in W8 and didn’t get the Defeat all Enemies req.

[south sequoia]

well not technically the same since combo requires b rank and above meanwhile all campaign/other maps care about is if you clear it or not

[south sequoia]

There are no hidden enemies

Everything spawns before the boss and there are more mobs after the boss spawns

[gusty olive]

theres the thread of my OpSi fleet (fleet 2 to 4)

[mint flint]

one of them might have been obscured behind an obstacle or fleet but they're never actually hidden

[steady beacon]

Honestly, as long as you can auto clear in four fleets, manual Arbiter is pretty much only if you're like me and expect to be able to kill an Arbiter with no Helena and no submarines with 100% consistency, or if you just want to do silly things like the aforementioned BB fleet one-shot kill
But it is fun to come up with one-fleet kills, so if you enjoy that kind of thing... go for it

[fresh tangle]

Is Mont an upgrade or another to save for later?

[inner delta]

mont? monteplier?

[novel condor]

Bet I prob try it after I clear this month hard arbiter

[south sequoia]

save for later

[fresh tangle]

Yeah sorry image loading

[inner delta]

she's not that great

[novel condor]

Save

[winter condor]

what's the chance on pr4 blueprints to get the 302mm gun ones? in 2 months each day doing from 2 to 4 researchs i only got 8 lol

[atomic abyss]

I mean, that's a different Eugen

[south sequoia]

The prinz eugen from the event and the eugen the game gives you aren't the same

[atomic abyss]

And both are bad

[south sequoia]

Skills and stats

[winter condor]

event muse is more dmg focused / buffer the base one is tanky but low dmg

[steady beacon]

One sings and the other does not

[fresh tangle]

Is Little Spee worth grinding?

[winter condor]

but the 2 compared to what we have now are kinda low

but are good for newbies tho

[steady beacon]

Uh... "worth", arguably no but like
You can probably get her by just grinding normally lol
It's not a hard milestone to reach, with just under two weeks

[winter condor]

as far who i know any little ship is more for collection than anything else and like plica12 told if u farm each day u get it without problems

[fresh tangle]

True I did nano in three with a brand new account

Fleet tech points I guess

[winter condor]

they have diff skills

same with the stats i recommend u to go to the wiki

[fresh tangle]

Slightly different names etc

[winter condor]

the muse ones for example they have a lot of times buffs or pasives who only works with other muse ships in the fleet

[steady beacon]

/wiki Prinz Eugen

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Prinz_Eugen
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Prinz_Eugen_µ
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Prinz_Eugen/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Prinz_Eugen/Gallery
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Prinz_Eugen_µ/Gallery
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Little_Prinz_Eugen
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Little_Prinz_Eugen/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Little_Prinz_Eugen/Gallery

May 10, 2024, 8:02 AM

[crisp estuary]

So with only 12k points, I should not buy mu Eugen from shop?

[jaunty vault]

do you have her?

[crisp estuary]

Obviously no

[jaunty vault]

then buy her

[crisp estuary]

That's why I'm asking whether I should buy coops

[jaunty vault]

dont think you need all the other resources either

[crisp estuary]

So she is okay? Tier 1?

[jaunty vault]

ig you could say that

[steady beacon]

Do we even have tiers for her yet
What did Sam say about her

Good, great, or awesome?

[jaunty vault]

anything below T0 is collection for most of us here

[winter condor]

as far who i know between 1 and 2

[atomic abyss]

Mugen shouldn't be T1

[atomic abyss]

She shouldn't be same level as Heinrich and all surely

[crisp estuary]

So I buy the 10 DR 6 prints then

[atomic abyss]

I mean eanki, did you keep Heinrich or Adalbert?

[crisp estuary]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

But would you use them over Agir or Karl?

[crisp estuary]

Who tf is Karl

[atomic abyss]

Friedrich Carl I mean oops

[crisp estuary]

I do not have her. Its fine. I have all the top tanks

[atomic abyss]

The glasses wearing German CA

[jaunty vault]

mugen sbould be as good as Heinrich if not better

[winter condor]

agir + hein + carl is nice combo

[atomic abyss]

No it's not

[steady beacon]

I love how the glasses are the feature focused on there

[jaunty vault]

anything is nice if you like the girls

[winter condor]

3 days ago people on this chat told that

[atomic abyss]

A large part of what makes Carl good is the synchronised barrage thing

[inner delta]

agir hinden emden is better

[atomic abyss]

Ah right, harmonious barrage

[jaunty vault]

wehraboo

[winter condor]

when emden rerun

[steady beacon]

Theoretically next
When "next" is... ask the crystal ball

[jaunty vault]

should be soon

assume in mid or late june
dont quote me

[steady beacon]

Late remark, but since when was there internal consistency within a tier 👀

[winter condor]

what about agir + hinden + Kronshtadt

[novel condor]

ima hold u on that

[steady beacon]

You willing to take the risk, coops? #gameplay-help message

[jaunty vault]

yuki can ban me

[keen owl]

Whats a Long range AA gun that triggers North Carolina's Mod skill?

[south sequoia]

I for one am in favor of this rule

[south sequoia]

Just use the twin 134mm fuze

[jaunty vault]

youd be second in that list to get banned

after cheeky

[sweet merlin]

Are subs even used in this game?

They just use oil and thats it right

[south sequoia]

When they are on the map, fleets within the red zone are able to call submarine support in battle

they do a hefty amount of damage assuming properly invested

[sweet merlin]

Does that use oil?

[south sequoia]

the reason why we don't recommend submarines early - mid is because they're low priority compared to your surface fleet and you can live without them

[south sequoia]

Yes

[south sequoia]

Plus, it needs a hefty amount of work to get proper equipment for them

[tame jungle]

Also, enemies within the red zone can get attacked by subs as well while you have them in attack mode, weakening enemies a bit without costing oil

[sweet merlin]

Which subs to invest in?

[south sequoia]

Archerfish, flasher and then get albacore from merit shop

[sweet merlin]

Ok

[atomic abyss]

Genuine question, but why do you think that's a good idea?

Just trying to see what's your understanding

[winter condor]

is more because i have 2 of tese 3 (hinden in a few weeks) and Kronsh seems to deal good dmg

[south sequoia]

How much hindenburg bps do you have?

[winter condor]

but i barely saw anyone talking about kronsh

[south sequoia]

kronsh isn't really anything special

[crimson glacier]

kronk is a good ship but she is the most useless UR

[south sequoia]

Great ship, but you can easily live without even thinking about her

[crimson glacier]

she doesnt really beat any other CB that you can get from research

[winter condor]

like 10 is a long way

[crimson glacier]

hinden needs all 513 to be good

[atomic abyss]

CBs are... Not known for blazing the world with their damage

[south sequoia]

Nor does she have any niche you can take advantage of unless you count that -2 spread from crossfleet

[winter condor]

i'm still with agir is near lvl 20

[atomic abyss]

Run her with Soyuz and CC for the Russia buffs

[south sequoia]

Finish pr4 first before you worry about any season at all

[south sequoia]

russia powah

[winter condor]

that i run now and a lot of times krons get the mvp in dmg

unless who NJ starts spaming his bullets

then NJ get the mvp xD

[crimson glacier]

kronk should never get mvp unless you are doing really easy content

[winter condor]

map 11

[crimson glacier]

or unless your gear is bad

first world thats balanced around URs is w14

[winter condor]

in the middle i put carl because someone here told me who she was better than mainz (my mainz is maxed)

[atomic abyss]

I mean, that entire frontline are tanks only

[south sequoia]

The only one who cares about outputting damage there is kronk

[winter condor]

i don't have the top but appears in the tier list in second or 3th position so isn't that bad

[atomic abyss]

So she being the top dps of the frontline isn't too surprising
What is surprising if she's stealing MVP from Unicorn, NJ AND FdG

[winter condor]

from 10 battles normally in 4-5 gets the mvp but they are the short ones

[atomic abyss]

You have to be doing something wrong if she's out dps-ing those 3

Unicorn kai should MVP for short battles because of her preload tho

[winter condor]

in the larger ones NJ gets the mvp 9/10 times unicorn sometimes

[atomic abyss]

I'm suddenly very concerned about your gearing

[winter condor]

give me a sec

don't look at agir still farming stuff for her

[crimson glacier]

yeah your fdgs gun is one of the worst guns in the game

[atomic abyss]

Agir looks fine by comparison....

[crimson glacier]

its super slow and low dmg

[winter condor]

i have these brb

[atomic abyss]

Uni is fine but FdG is scuffed beyond belief by that main gun

[tame jungle]

KGV gun on fdg is hilarious

[crimson glacier]

also why is fdg only lvl 105

[atomic abyss]

Oh and yeah being 20 levels under is not helping

...you scrapped all your purples didn't you

[left cedar]

idk if +11 its will fit in fine ...
also, why no Rudder ?

also, why oct pompom !? why plp love this so much

[crimson glacier]

you really got rid of all the good guns huh

[winter condor]

swaped pati to her like few days ago

[tame jungle]

Use purple 406 instead tbh

[winter condor]

nope these are the ones who i have i had bad luck

[left cedar]

406mk6 purple still 2nd best HE Gun for BBs

[tame jungle]

The HE one, first in the list

[crimson glacier]

doesnt everyone get free twin 410

[winter condor]

where

[left cedar]

iirc its from that clear X chapter that all begginers have

[winter condor]

but i'm not begginer started playing 3 or 4 y ago

[atomic abyss]

I'm convinced you accidentally scrapped it at some point then

[winter condor]

i just take a 2 y break because of personal / work stuff

dunno don't remember

let's gonna say who any stuff who i did prior 1 year ago is kinda messed up xD

[left cedar]

time in AL dosnt say much ... playing casually or reading and tryhard make a HUGE difference in something like 6months ...

[tame jungle]

AL is resource mgmt game not ship game

[winter condor]

these are also the ships who i have

[winter condor]

the triple one?

[left cedar]

why i cant deny that about resources mgmt !?!
well, now i also will say that

[crimson glacier]

i wonder if you can craft the purple twin 410

[winter condor]

done equiped and leveled to 10

[crimson glacier]

because id rather give that to NJ and the rainbow to fdg

[winter condor]

ok done

for vanguard then what options i have?

swap carl to chang?

[quiet jackal]

Who should I focus on first?

[cobalt rapids]

implac then wait

[atomic abyss]

Focus for what exactly
Next UR to MLB?

[quiet jackal]

Yes

[steady beacon]

Damn, so, so many choices
Implac would be my bet

Sniped again

[undone plover]

does this mean we might get maintenance on 21st?

[steady beacon]

"Might" yes
I'm not gonna say "will" lest I get banned by Yuki

[winter condor]

hmm NJ is now getting mvp all time

[quiet jackal]

thanks, implac is mlb'd now, why wait? i heard laffey 2 is quite good

[cobalt rapids]

because u dont have 4 bulins at least in the picture to mlb another one

and we get a new UR most likely this month

[undone plover]

he can probably get 3 for YKii but better to wait imo as well

[quiet jackal]

i have 14k specialized core ready

[atomic abyss]

At that point why not Guam as opposed to Laff II tbh

[cobalt rapids]

well still wait for new UR then ask again

[winter condor]

about Guam i heard it a lot is tank or for dmg?

[atomic abyss]

Tank and AA

[quiet jackal]

alright, new UR should be soon?

[steady beacon]

Tank and a shit-ton of AA

[atomic abyss]

None of the CBs are known for their damage really
They aren't bad, but it's just not their main purpose

[cobalt rapids]

expected this month

[quiet jackal]

which faction will it be?

[atomic abyss]

Who knows

[quiet jackal]

pls give us yamato

[jaunty vault]

dont wanna

[atomic abyss]

We don't need Sushi to get powercrept that quickly

[quiet jackal]

no they could coexist

[jaunty vault]

shes already crept

[atomic abyss]

Soyuz already coexists with Sushi

[jaunty vault]

kinda

[cobalt rapids]

yamato outside jp anni would be wild for feedback but

[atomic abyss]

The main edge Sushi has over Soyuz is the raw bulk for mobbing purposes

[jaunty vault]

smh speculations

[atomic abyss]

Soyuz has the advantage of being able to run non IJN guns

Which makes her relatively easier to sync

[undone plover]

aquila sushi combo probably wont be powercrept tho

[cobalt rapids]

big cap

[steady beacon]

I need more gold plates because I'm genuinely dying to test the proposition tbh
Well, for boss fights, I genuinely don't care about campaign viability

(At least until W16)

[inner delta]

[quiet jackal]

wait, which faction doesnt have UR yet? french right?

[inner delta]

what if you save gold plate until you really need it maybe a good idea

[undone plover]

french have DR (brest). sardegna only "major" faction with no rainbow

[cobalt rapids]

all minor factions unless u count DR

[quiet jackal]

ah come to think, the research ships, shouldnt pr7 come out soon?

[cobalt rapids]

expected in summer based on precedent years

[quiet jackal]

and it will be 5 ships instead of usual 6 i guess

[inner delta]

[steady beacon]

I do
But the problem is I really need it so very often
Nothing I can do about not starting the game earlier, I fear...

[inner delta]

how

most of my shit is only +10 and i been doing harbiter fine

[atomic abyss]

Teach us Yuki sensei

[steady beacon]

Oh, it's not that I'm struggling... I just want them at +13
So it's a different kind of problem

[inner delta]

that's a you issue then not about lacking gold plate, you just want not need

[steady beacon]

How am I meant to fairly carry out my proposed tests otherwise

[cobalt rapids]

test with +10

[steady beacon]

Please instruct me on how to get my +13 Soyuz gun back to +10 then, please and thank you

[inner delta]

you don't

[cobalt rapids]

what are u testing soyuz gun against that isnt +13

[undone plover]

in theory u can c1 farm for excess AP. will be a very minor gain though. like maybe 10-20 plates per month if u really commit

[atomic abyss]

Pilica didn't you run out of AP...

[cobalt rapids]

are those the results of ur data gathering

[south sequoia]

How does that even work, akashi spawns?

[inner delta]

also you can't possibly be like me upgrading for super niche shit for old metas to +13 @steady beacon

[cobalt rapids]

[steady beacon]

I did

[south sequoia]

Lmao, weren't we upgrading this gun just for a max spread reduc NJ?

[steady beacon]

But thanks to the infinite C1 trick, I am slightly better off than I was yesterday

[versed elk]

i mean its from some other people as well, but u go ap positive on c1 and dump it on c5 zones for plates

[inner delta]

no, it's fdg cope for like what uh some old ass meta

[steady beacon]

As niche as the Marco gun? Probably not...
But if you look at some of my planes, you'll probably commit me to an asylum

[versed elk]

just additional minmax that is realistically useless

[inner delta]

it was for dum shit like hiryuu or ark royal or some shit

[south sequoia]

I think you're talking about renown meta, I remember people saying to throw it on FDG
But I do remember that gun also being used for NJ due to stacking reduc

[cobalt rapids]

i know about ap positive, im more interested how much net gold plates u get extra per month since thats where I would consider making the effort

[left cedar]

flexing +13, my time has come!?

[versed elk]

last time i did i got like 12 plates

[undone plover]

i cant rly back that up with hard data yet. but stay tuned . although I would say getting 6-7 plates for 2k AP is "average"

[versed elk]

and i was at like 600 coords or something vs the usual 300

[inner delta]

im not flexing, it's like idk how pilica just keep needing gold plate for everything

why would anyone flex a SAP gun, it's just dum

[versed elk]

i need gold plates too. its the curse of having a lot of +13 aux that isnt useful in pve

[steady beacon]

Oh right, that too arguably

[winter condor]

went from that to 114 xD

[hollow birch]

do muses give anything tech pts related

[steady beacon]

I forgot about that, but yes... I've got a LOT of PvP-only +13 gears

[undone plover]

yeah that is another one u have to take into account tbh. cuz getting 1 abyssal coord is a lot more plates

[versed elk]

i mean i think out of everyone in the whole of en server i might have the most pvp +13 equipment except avrorans

[left cedar]

u will be surprise how much dumb things i do cuz lack of serius things to do

[south sequoia]

That's enough

[inner delta]

it's not even dum dum, it's only just for copium CN strat bs

[steady beacon]

Currently it's my Flandre gun
Also the Plymouth gun at +12 that I want to get to +13, but that can wait
The issue is just timing
So Yuki is right that I don't need it, but I'm a greedy ass, so I want it (hopefully by month's end bc I'm testing against Strength)

[inner delta]

that you will never use again ever

[versed elk]

most of the time chatters here dont even understand what cn is saying

[inner delta]

i mean ofc, that's why i ask you

[versed elk]

wdym by cn strats

[cobalt rapids]

just take a bb with 0 barrage and math out the +13 difference

[inner delta]

it's the one meta i forgot, where you cope sap because med armor it's old

[versed elk]

gneisenau

[inner delta]

pog he remember

eons before UR exist literally coping fdg spread for med armor

[crimson glacier]

you misremember

[steady beacon]

I'm not doing theoretical calculations, Ren, these are practical tests
Idc about the theory of these guns, I can just calculate that from the pure data

[inner delta]

maybe i do

it's been so long

[crimson glacier]

the sap gun was for NJ

[cobalt rapids]

well ig u know better w.e ure testing so good luck

[quiet jackal]

i have never used cat lodge once... is it really important for general pve content? i dont really care about pvp

[cobalt rapids]

yes its important

[steady beacon]

Good news, you can't use cats in PvP anyway (for now ™️)
But yes, maybe don't lose your mind over cats until late endgame, but they are useful to get and invest in, at least a little

[cobalt rapids]

perfect cats can be a 30% buff to ur fleet compared to no cats

[versed elk]

trust, u should care about cats

[crimson glacier]

what about realistic reasonable cats

[forest palm]

haven't stressed about cats, still do fine

[quiet jackal]

im already fairly into late game, i have every UR ships aside of some DR ships
so... where should i begin with the cats?

[undone plover]

Just put your best cats in com-fort for now. Worry about getting perfect cats later (if ever)

[jaunty vault]

does realistic reasonable mean flame on every cat

[undone plover]

Buying catboxes and rerolling talents when u have a lot of gold and no other priorities for it.
Do /cats in botspam for a guide on best talents

[forest palm]

the least you can do is have 2 Lv 30 SSR cats for ops mobbing

[cobalt rapids]

flame + some avi/fp talents is like 10%-20% better over no cats

[forest palm]

tech can fill in for cats

[cobalt rapids]

sure it can, but they stack

[forest palm]

that's a rough cat

[steady beacon]

By that definition, I have zero reasonable cats

Oh, actually, I lie... I do have one

[forest palm]

was about to say...

[steady beacon]

You underestimate just how bad my cats are tbh
As long as I could scrape 20 CV RLD that is truly all I cared about

[forest palm]

just get lucky

[steady beacon]

Indeed, 'tis better, infinitely better, to be lucky than good

[quiet jackal]

are elite cats good or only sr?

[jaunty vault]

depends on the cat

[cobalt rapids]

ark,eagle,jiromaru,edelweiss are good

[steady beacon]

Some elite cats are good
Partly because you are stuck with them for the hull types they boost

[cloud fractal]

Is Independence worth buying with cores or should I save the cores for white and black shells or keep saving for SSRs in the shop?

[south sequoia]

Buy shells then indep

[cloud fractal]

Any specific amount of shells, or just 1 of each for now, then grab Indy?

[cobalt rapids]

3 pairs then indep

also no ssr ship is worth buying with core, consult /coredata

[cloud fractal]

Roger!

[quiet jackal]

are there any specific ssr cat i should look for? like kidd, drake?

or are they all just rng?

[steady beacon]

Kidd and Drake are two of three cats that are entirely NOT RNG, actually
The rest are though

[cobalt rapids]

kidd and drake arent rng, kid is good pov, drake is better

[quiet jackal]

who is the third one?

[steady beacon]

/cats If you haven't read Riceist's guide, I would highly recommend it

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

MEOWFFICER QUICK GUIDE

What are Meowfficers?
They are companions that you can add up to 2 per fleet (including sub fleets). They buff your fleets with their "skills" and "talents". There are 27 different types of them.

How do I get them?
You get them by opening Cat Boxes in the Cattery. The Cattery can be found under HQ > Cat Lodge. The first Cat Box you buy everyday is free. You can buy up to 14 more per day, with each costing 1500 Gold. It is strongly recommended you do NOT binge on them!

How do I level them?
Just like ships, they gain experience when sortied. They do not cost oil, however their exp gain is dependent on the oil spent by the fleet. They max out at level 30. You can also level them by feeding other meowfficers to them, at about 30% exp loss (20% bonus if identical). Additionally they can gain levels passively through Comf-Forts.

What are talents?
Talents buff a specific ship type or faction. They get 1-3 permanent talents, depending on rarity.. Every 5 levels they gain, they get a Cat Paw which can be used to roll new talents or raise the level of some talents. You can reroll any new talents once every 24h with gold (increases with number of talents).

What are skills?
Skills are unique to each type of Meowfficer. They usually give some stat buff or some perk to the fleet. They get 1 skill initially, and they can get up to 3 skills, each obtained by feeding duplicates (1 for 2nd, 3 for 3rd). The potency of the skills is dependent on their stats which increase through levels.
Do note that the skill stat buffs are mostly inferior to talent stat buffs.

Visit the AL Wiki Page on Meowfficers for more details.
Cat Guide by Riceist#3504 for detailed explanation of skills and talents.

[steady beacon]

Bellamy, but it isn't particularly good

[quiet jackal]

thanks alot

[vale lotus]

what do the upcoming augments do?

[crimson glacier]

didnt the upcoming augs come already

[south sequoia]

norcal aug heals vanguard by 5,0% and launches a barrage whenever she fires a time fuze AA gun, 10s cd in between use

[vestal thistle]

What should I buy from medal shop

[steady beacon]

Which two ship types do you have available

[steady beacon]

Oh, splendid, I can just say Hood and Enterprise then

[frank pulsar]

get the gold bulin too, and the specialised core if you need rainbow bulins

[vale lotus]

Thank you!

[kind slate]

i have 5 ur bulins rn.
shima is lb 2 and shinano/kron/laffeyii are lb0.
should i save them?

[steady beacon]

Mhm, we have CN anni UR upcoming soon ™️ so safer to save for now

[kind slate]

ok. thnx

[steady beacon]

100% proc massive area barrage is pretty neat
I mean, if you have better options available, then you can do without her, of course
But when you're new and lacking in ships, she is a very solid ship

She's DD TRP+1
And that is probably the end of the sentence

[forest nimbus]

Hi, i'm trying to actually learn the game after just logging in, hoarding resourses and collecting ships for years.

I have some trouble with the armour types.
In my example i'm trying to get Gneisenau Meta and the ongoing Rodney Meta ship two times a day, and if i get it right, both are BB's so i should use AP Guns for more dmg on them, so i made the best BB fleet with AP guns i could think of with my leveled ships and on Gneisenau i deal about 1m dmg and can easily kill her on two tries, almost one some times, but on Rodney i only deal about 350-450k dmg with the same fleet.

Is there something i'm missing or is Rodney just more tanky? it's a pain to attack her 3-4 times x2 each day.

[vestal thistle]

This is my roster

I don't know anything about this game or what is good or bad

[undone plover]

Meta fights have certain gimmicks.
For rodney meta check pins, there is explanations for it. But also bb rly bad for rodney meta since they will aim 2nd and 3rd volley per salvo at the clones. CV or frontline damage just better

[forest nimbus]

I see, so should i equip things like High standard Fire-Control Radars instead of Black Shells to get different timings?

[undone plover]

That is one way of doing it but bb will still underperform

[steady beacon]

Yep, as said above... Rodney META's gimmick is just... awful
So if you're doing peanuts, don't worry... we all started off badly tbh

[forest nimbus]

I see, i did try a CV Fleet and it did around 400k as well, but i could try some CV fleets with faster or slower speeds as well

[steady beacon]

I would give the following a read-through to start with
Newbie tips: https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
Early ship recs: https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/early_ship_recommendations

[vestal thistle]

I want help with who to build and upgrade

[undone plover]

With CV u want to set it up in a way that your auto strike timings sync up to when modney is stopped. If u have implacable she doesnt care much about that since she can freeze modney for herself

Or u can just manual and strike when modney stops

[steady beacon]

Read those two linked pages just to get an idea of the things to do and not do early on and set a firm foundation... from there, we can start putting fleets together once you've got a handle on the basics

[undone plover]

The only silver lining with modney is that she doesnt do much damage to vanguard ships so u can get away with running less tanks and more damage on frontline

[forest nimbus]

One more thing when we're talking about it, is there somewhere i can see what kind of armor types the different bosses have in OpSi?
I have found some guides, but they never seem to have every single boss in there, sometimes i can't find the boss i'm looking at.

Or is there a way to see it ingame?

[cobalt rapids]

disable fleet lock

[tame jungle]

It’s also on the wiki (at least all humanoid bosses should be)

[forest nimbus]

I see, probably just missed it then

[tame jungle]

Should be in the stats tables

[forest nimbus]

Excuse my stupidness but what does Fleet lock even do? xD

[steady beacon]

Allows you to skip the formation/information screen before battle

[tame jungle]

It throws you into battle immediately

[cobalt rapids]

allows to see detailed stats before entering battle like armor and modifiers and rearrange your fleet

[forest nimbus]

Aaaah, i see lol

I always left it on, because i didn't notice any difference xD

Thank you for all the information!

[frank pulsar]

when is next gold meta coming? june?

[whole crypt]

just look at the time left on the current ladder

[steady beacon]

Well, a couple of days ago it was 34 days left, so...

[frank pulsar]

june then

[jaunty vault]

Well, a couple of days ago it was 37 days left, so...

[whole crypt]

didn't know you lived in the future

[jaunty vault]

same

[steady beacon]

... You gotta be kidding me
Was it 44 and I'm misremembering

[steady beacon]

[late flame]

33 days uh i think

[steady beacon]

Is this the result of JP's maintenance not lining up with their resets?

[whole crypt]

probably

[steady beacon]

Well, fortunately, my claim wasn't so audaciously wrong as to be an entire month off...

[jaunty vault]

you did say couple days

[whole crypt]

USS has nothing that mitigates 0ammo right?

[jaunty vault]

not that i know of

[steady beacon]

Get lucky with Enterprise

[plain saffron]

do AL JP android have redeem code function ingame?

[whole crypt]

yes

[plain saffron]

i see, only JP KR and CN android have it

[jaunty vault]

EN do be the middle child

[lavish scroll]

if i sortie little shipgirls, can i get combat data collection?

[blissful hamlet]

yes for their coresponding faction

[main latch]

After I buy all the dorm slots, what should I spend the rest of the gems on?

[late flame]

are you f2p* ?
yes : dock space
no : skins, whatever
but do not buy classroom slots
this probably worth a read
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13KVOhAOz9wwZK0gQON0PLJrDkPEp6vg66Fh8U2LoYG4/edit

[vestal thistle]

Should I limit break Ur

[south sequoia]

Depends on the UR

[vestal thistle]

Kron

The latest one

[south sequoia]

No

Just save

[late flame]

usually yes, but in the case of Kron you'd want to save instead (as mentioned above by Cleo)
since there's better alternatives for her (such as Agir, Anchorage, Brest for example)

CN anniversay is also around the corner (end of May) so it might be worth to wait if any good UR comes out

[glass quest]

Can you only purchase supplies at Azur Lane Ports in OpSi? Or do you have to do something to unlock Crimson Axis Port Supplies?

[late flame]

no shops for (red) crimson axis ports

[versed elk]

kron bad

[lone vigil]

I'm a new player I started yesterday my best ships are unicorn, portland and z23 im struggling to clear 3-4 on normal what should I do. Also how should i go about getting a UR should I wait for an event?

atm im using this guide btw:https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[atomic abyss]

Can we see what levels your fleet is at?

And yes that's a good guide

[late flame]

probably levels and gear issue

[atomic abyss]

With regards to URs - permanent URs are a trap, wait for UR events

[lone vigil]

most are around 13-27 but unicorn, helena and z23 arelvl,46,54 and 27

[atomic abyss]

You are using a full fleet correct?

[lone vigil]

yes

[sharp token]

worth it?

[atomic abyss]

Can we see said full fleet?

[lone vigil]

just getting discord on my phone cause i play on there XD

[atomic abyss]

Well, on one hand flapjacks are relatively cheaper than tigercats
On the other hand, they cost more of other materials

Do you have any flapjacks yet?

[sharp token]

got one

[atomic abyss]

Well for the time being

[atomic abyss]

Chuck some gears on them (even if they're bad ones), and just plow through the map with sheer levels
If you can't clear 3-4, move back to 3-3 for a bit to level up a bit more
Also don't forget to limit break

[steady beacon]

Ngl, kinda scandalous, but bc of the level difference, I'd honestly consider main tanking Helena there 👀

[lone vigil]

who should i prioritize limit breaking cause the guide says bulins take a while to get

[atomic abyss]

Backliner ships first

[lone vigil]

k

[steady beacon]

Penny first imo (esp if you can use a dupe)
Double her number of gun mounts

[lone vigil]

ill try it

[echo axle]

How do I get more UR Tickets apart from the 150 from the focus research

I meant the tickets for DR Research

[atomic abyss]

You mean the blueprints

You get them by... Doing research?

Like they just don't appear often

[echo axle]

Bruhhhhh

[atomic abyss]

Things you can do to improve your odds

1. set your research focus to that series

[echo axle]

I did, already finished

[atomic abyss]

Not catch up, focus

[echo axle]

Lemme see

[atomic abyss]

This bit

As you can sort of see, research focus and catch up are 2 different things

Catch up is the 150 BP bit
It gives you a bonus of certain BPs of the chosen ship for any research you do

[keen sable]

Do actual research by selling your soul scamusagi's coins

[atomic abyss]

Research focus forces 3 out of 5 researches to be of the chosen series

So if you set it to 4, then most of your appearing researches will be of series 4

Thus increasing the appearance rate of say Agir and Hakuryuu
In comparison to the other series ships like Roon or Cheshire or something

[keen sable]

3-2 is better than 3-3

[echo axle]

I see

[atomic abyss]

There are other ways to improve your odds, but this is by far the most basic one

[echo axle]

I see, can you also help to build my two fleets? To grind through campaign right now, I'll create a thread

[atomic abyss]

So what rainbow ship were you trying to upgrade?

[echo axle]

Fleet Building 2 (Campaign)

[echo axle]

Agir, still developing her but needing the blueprints for Fate Simulation

[atomic abyss]

But... Agir doesn't have fate sim

[echo axle]

I meant Dev lvl or whatever that is

[worldly pewter]

is there a skill that increases the exp gained for ships and not cats ?

[atomic abyss]

There are like 7

[steady beacon]

I mean, I'm pretty sure there is no (ship) skill at all that increases cat exp (but there is a cat skill)

[eager mulch]

what skill

[worldly pewter]

i want to level both arks and i m forced to use uni now because they are level 70
so when they are up to 90 i can use shouhou right ?

[atomic abyss]

Houshou != Shouhou

[worldly pewter]

[steady beacon]

Rising Star

Oh fuck, I keep making this mistake
TALENT

[eager mulch]

That’s a talent

[worldly pewter]

i should have used her to grind haku exp
she is still low level i think

i haven't even thought about mlbing her for tech points

[eager mulch]

smh misinformation in gph today

[worldly pewter]

pilica i think i might not be able to rush both arks for this harbiter

[eager mulch]

always next month

[steady beacon]

... Remind me again why you're using two Arks

[atomic abyss]

To scare away the destroyers

[eager mulch]

harbiter is a ca this month tho right

[steady beacon]

Strength, yes

[atomic abyss]

Maybe I'll actually be able to do harbiter

[eager mulch]

I believe in you

[steady beacon]

You got the IJN duo since last time right
Those two should be able to nuke 30 lives after the BBs break
Their sheer power is still not to be trifled with tbh

[versed elk]

[atomic abyss]

Yeah I think that's doable

[late flame]

about the only time i remember strength being a pita is in.. november 😛

[worldly pewter]

this is what i found

wasn't that the reason for making the meta comp for her i thought she will be used for this harbiter

[steady beacon]

Yep, November Strength is the true legend tbh
The one I personally call the hardest of the Hard Arbiters

[worldly pewter]

since aside from enty i only have mobbing cvs

[steady beacon]

You overestimate my ability to remember details from a week ago lol
I can barely remember what I had for breakfast this morning

[atomic abyss]

I mean
Is the reward from harbiter even worth it

[steady beacon]

Every last gold plate is worth it

[atomic abyss]

No, that's just a you thing

[steady beacon]

Anyhow... uh, let me think...
So your planned setup is Ark META/Ark retro/Enterprise?

[worldly pewter]

if someone isn't playing to clear the content then what is the reason exactly ?

[atomic abyss]

I mean I thought harbiter rewards weren't that great

[worldly pewter]

TBF i have no idea

[late flame]

flex

[eager mulch]

sounds like someone doesn’t have a lot of +13 gear

[atomic abyss]

Hold on let me find the dialogue...

[steady beacon]

I unironically run the Arbiter hundreds of times in a month for testing
You could argue it's academic, but I also do find it fun

[sharp token]

i dont have any decent HE gun is this good?

[atomic abyss]

You're absolutely going to have the purple twin 410

[steady beacon]

Good? Sure, but consuming those resources? There's the rub...

[atomic abyss]

Use that instead of sacrificing your gear lab mats

[steady beacon]

Do you have any chance of getting AvP to FS5 before the month is over?

[eager mulch]

I was referring to your reply about gold plates being worth a “you thing”

[steady beacon]

Yes, Ender was specifically referring to me because I was complaining before about my gold plate shortage

[inner delta]

but it is worth it

even if you dont +13

[worldly pewter]

she is lvl 92 now
her FS5 is locked but it should be 6 days after her reaching 100

[atomic abyss]

I personally haven't upgraded anything past 10 so

That's more so because coin hell more than anything tho

[eager mulch]

twin purple 410 is just as good for timing purposes but purple mk6 is literally the second best HE gun for damage

[atomic abyss]

Also, isn't the twin 410 like, practically almost the same as the twin 406 aside from the fp stat

[steady beacon]

Uhhhh... isn't FS5... 165 prints or am I tripping
Or do you do more than the discounted 15 prints per day? 👀

[atomic abyss]

It's 165 yes

The twin 406 is only worth it if you got it from PR2 years ago

[worldly pewter]

she is FS4 now i need 65 for FS5

[steady beacon]

Ahhhhh, OK
See, the things I forget?

[worldly pewter]

also i never pay more than 10 prints a day

[steady beacon]

Honestly, I'd uh
Prioritise levelling AvP over Ark Royal lol
With all the specific things she has going for her against Strength especially, she's the superior option

[atomic abyss]

I mean, what I want to ask instead is, what does the 410 kai even do for it

[eager mulch]

more damage

doesn’t look like beehive gun

[atomic abyss]

But is it worth the investment?

[worldly pewter]

just tell me the 3cvs i will be using then i will slap them in the exping fleet

[eager mulch]

I’d only consider for

[atomic abyss]

Ark's main use at this point is assault carrier shenanigans

[atomic abyss]

Ah right, it's the best HE gun she has right....

[steady beacon]

You're already using Enterprise right? So just train AvP, and hell, for the sake of it, train Ark Royal alongside as well (might as well use all three together, really, in the absence of other options)

[atomic abyss]

Or was her event one HE too

[eager mulch]

AP

[steady beacon]

Nope, it's crazy AP

[atomic abyss]

I mean ark can hit some truly ridiculous numbers.... So yes agreed

[eager mulch]

musashi BIS guns are twin 410 kai and prototype triple 410

[undone plover]

saratoga can work as well but she is not really a bossing CV

[atomic abyss]

Ah yes good ol Izumo gun
At least till they give us something better

[worldly pewter]

yep there will be 100% lack of options

[eager mulch]

just don’t use musashi

[steady beacon]

... Ender, you don't even have Musashi do you?

[fresh tangle]

Upgrades?

[eager mulch]

bad, poor investment

[atomic abyss]

No, neither replaces what you have

[fresh tangle]

Thank you as always

[atomic abyss]

I mean I have one at +10 from eons ago so

[eager mulch]

[steady beacon]

Ark is also probably a good investment for next month's Arbiter, who is heavy armoured
At least on the assumption you're not going to pull some magic and have Shinano and Hakuryuu by that time

[atomic abyss]

Though I must confess that I literally just got Izumo herself like yesterday

I just don't like her design...

[steady beacon]

Half my PRs are still unbuilt, dw

[worldly pewter]

even if i get shinano it will be until at least august to be able to mlb her

[eager mulch]

finishing all the PR xp grinds is very liberating

[atomic abyss]

Given my potato gear and options
So far my nano and haku have yet to meet my ark's peak performance against RodM....

[steady beacon]

Fair
Once again, it is better to be lucky than good

[eager mulch]

Ryuusei fleet gaming

[atomic abyss]

Assault carrier gaming more like

[eager mulch]

nah, join me in ryuusei fleet gaming

[worldly pewter]

what about the gear that has to be prepared ?

[eager mulch]

when you get implac she better have double ryuusei

[undone plover]

bf109 + champy basically

[worldly pewter]

i m still yet to get the 3rd bf

[steady beacon]

Um... at least two Bf109Gs (although I think you already have that)
Four converging TBs between the three carriers (take your pick)
Dive bombers can be whatever
I think your AP BB guns are already sorted iirc

[fresh tangle]

So I do understand Portland is extremely good but what are some common upgrades for her? Who am I looking out for. I know enterprise is one of the next big ships I’m after

[steady beacon]

Remember, Ark Royal has no fighter slot, so... you have saved yourself one Bf109G 👀

[eager mulch]

Anchorage is like the replacement

[worldly pewter]

can u tell me more about the converging torp ?

[atomic abyss]

Ark has 2 TB slots

[steady beacon]

Ryuusei/Ju-87 D4/Saiun Kai

[eager mulch]

Tenzan, tenzan kai

[fresh tangle]

Ah the pr4 I’m researching but still need a load of data to unlock 😂

[worldly pewter]

oh i think i m saved then 1 ryuusei 2 junkers 1 saiun

[undone plover]

if u manual it u can just use ryuusei

[atomic abyss]

I meaaaaan

[eager mulch]

hell yeah

[worldly pewter]

worth crafting the ryuusei in the gear lab ?

[steady beacon]

No joke, I think it was early season Ari META, when I was still using Ark Royal and one run she proc'd all three runs and absolutely curbstomped the IJN pair
Assault Carrier gaming is real tbh

[atomic abyss]

Don't worry I don't have a shortage of ryuuseis
I grinded an absolute shit ton in vdir back into he day lol

[eager mulch]

start +13ing them

[undone plover]

probably not. the others work fine. save the mats for gear lab exclusive stuff

[steady beacon]

You ground them from VDiR???

[atomic abyss]

Back in the day

[steady beacon]

God, that must have been... goddamn awful

[worldly pewter]

i mean i have the pilica card surely it will work somehow

[undone plover]

if u have good subs u can also start working on their gear/levels but i forgot what u had

[atomic abyss]

Aka when the event was out
I grinded 2 from scratch on the first run
And had another from the shop

Yes it had ambushes
Sue me

[steady beacon]

Tbf, I totally believe the dedication of the one who pioneered converging torps 👀

[atomic abyss]

Also still mildly relevant

A little outdated now

[steady beacon]

But good God lol
I mean, wasn't VDiR so old that there were no minibosses or something
All drops had to come from the boss only? Or am I misquoting some urban legend?

[inner delta]

hpw is that "outdated"

other than the planes

[atomic abyss]

I mean yuki
The caption is outdated

[inner delta]

the torp still works the same

[atomic abyss]

We have IB converging now

[inner delta]

yes i know, it need update but the concept is the same

[atomic abyss]

Yes there were no elites back then
Yes you only had bosses
And there were ambushes

And obviously no clearing mode or oil cap

[undone plover]

@worldly pewter if u have some time check out suchiguma's video on how to fight strength. It has some tips u can use

[lone vigil]

some ships from my main fleet got exhausted and it says affinity will be lowered if i battle what should i do do i make a second fleet?

[steady beacon]

All I will say is... I thoroughly lost my marbles grinding just one Zara gun from Empyreal War Archives
With clearing mode, oil cap, and elites...
So doing VDiR would have probably killed me

[atomic abyss]

You could but I advise against it
Take a break from playing imo

Chuck em in the dorm too

[rapid grail]

1. rest for now, your ships need morale back
2. use dorm to increase morale regen rates
3. make 2nd (or more) fleet/s and then farm game

[atomic abyss]

...why did you grind the Zara gu-

Oh wait I think I grinded it myself too

[lone vigil]

is vampire meta worth using?

[atomic abyss]

Not as I hard as I did with ryuuseis or baguettes tho

[late flame]

skip all purple elite meta

[steady beacon]

Oh God, I ground baguettes too lol
Spent half my time during Skybound rerun on that, the other half on Algerie gun...

But at least BOTH saw more use than I think I ever actually got out of the Zara gun...

[inner delta]

you 2 can like go reminicent in dm

[atomic abyss]

Does Zara gun even have a use still

[worldly pewter]

how often do they release events in which u farm gear ?

[inner delta]

no

[atomic abyss]

Last time was hvarcat?

[inner delta]

yes

[steady beacon]

As of right now, no

[late flame]

since i joined in late dec2022 i was only able to get one hvarcat
and i almost scrapped it until i came across this discord/gph* lol

[worldly pewter]

i joined dec 2023 and got nothing

[atomic abyss]

Well who knows
Maybe the next event might have something worth

[lone vigil]

if I already have unicorn and helena what elite ship do I get from the guild shop

[fresh tangle]

Can someone point me towards something that’ll help me decide what weapons I should have on my ships? I kinda just threw stuff on and I’m ridiculously overdeveloped for where I’m at in the campaign now but want to get my head around it.

[late flame]

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[steady beacon]

Pure exclusive, last time was HVARcat
But every so often there are events where you can grind nice gear that might be otherwise expensive or annoying to get from other sources (or for hurrying stuff up)
E.g. Mirror Involution and Abyssal Refrain had the Rudder, which is nice for people who haven't already got a ton
Pledge of the Radiant Court had the Sea Hornet
A couple of IB events have had G7e torpedoes and the FDG gun
And so on

[atomic abyss]

None else really
I guess Pennsylvania (blue) if you haven't gotten her

So it's like
Pennsylvania, Unicorn, another backliner
Portland Starter Helena

Ah wait
Didn't dc have mags grindable

Or was that bisko event

[steady beacon]

Yep, D1

... Hilariously, D3 is the gold... quint mags

[undone plover]

are vanguard cats worth keeping?

[gusty olive]

Idk what to skill train rn

[steady beacon]

I kept a handful of Justices and Bunnies around for the uh
Preemptive strike stuff for W14+
And I guess for the day I ever want to go full torp meme for some cat-able boss
But as a general rule, it's the backline cats that are more impactful

[blazing shale]

Vanguard cats?

[steady beacon]

Basically the cats whose skills and common talents skew towards vanguard ships

Stuff like Justice (DD) and Takemaru (cruisers)

[gusty olive]

Should I level 10 Nagato's yellow skill?

Idk who to skill train anymore lol

[steady beacon]

Uhhh... you mean ship skill right?
Honestly, if you don't have any priority, feel free to just level whatever
I've been doing that recently with utterly random ships to do my ten free ones
Mostly to try and keep my book numbers at least a little bit even

[soft raft]

you should be maxxing out all of the skills on ships you're using (Tho Portland's is a bit less priority)

And at the same time, there's barely any reason for you to use nagato outside of niche uses

[gusty olive]

Guess I'll max Helena's 2nd skill

[versed elk]

i mean why not, if u have good base

[fresh tangle]

Any guild shop elites worth getting after unicorn and Helena are MLB?

[worldly pewter]

no one afaik

[mellow cape]

Been ignoring pvp, is there a reason to build a fleet for it?

[worldly pewter]

u level ur ships in pvp

[frank pulsar]

merit, thats it

[mellow cape]

Ahh

[worldly pewter]

try to look for something like this
they are in abundance

[near ginkgo]

What defines a long range AA gun in NCs augment?
Is it just all modified secondaries that have the circle?

[cobalt rapids]

fuze aa guns

[versed elk]

wow! jp player

[steady beacon]

So JP fields meme fleets as well

[versed elk]

en is the only server with semi competent defense btw

[steady beacon]

Damn, really?

[versed elk]

yea

[worldly pewter]

i just run across someone having guam unzen bz york and 2 other URs all at lvl 1

[steady beacon]

Heh, you can find those here too tbf
The UR dupe flex fleet, I call them

[whole crypt]

I've run through the full spectrum of meta, flex and meme fleets

they happen on any server

[worldly pewter]

these flexers

[whole crypt]

flex fleets are easy, it's the meta defense fleets that are annoying

[steady beacon]

Confession: I put up a meta defence partly to bully the newbies, just like I once was bullied

(Absolutely horrible person, I know)

[whole crypt]

[steady beacon]

You're still testing NC?

[whole crypt]

yeh it definitely doesn't like that red BB node in that state

[sullen creek]

Double Illustrious support W

[atomic abyss]

that unicorn skin really describes the state of affairs here...

though in place of volga/aqui hmm

[whole crypt]

I'll probably try again with Volga or Aquila later

Shimanto obviously isn't liking it either

[distant estuary]

Can someone give me a valid tier list?

[forest palm]

if you're actually willing to read...
https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home

[distant estuary]

Woah, Tysm sir

[atomic abyss]

as always, it's just a guide

so don't just blindly look at tier numbers

[late flame]

also the ships are arranged in alphabetical order within each tier rank (at least, t1 onwards)

[distant estuary]

I see

[late flame]

#al-general exists if you are not having any questions here

[sharp socket]

wheres the gameplay discussion channel

[eternal moth]

#al-general

[sharp socket]

nevermind

also no one answered my previous question here

so now i have indep, enty and saratoga
hood and unicorn are on mob while soyuz on boss, who goes where

[eternal moth]

Indep mob, Enty and Sara on boss

[sharp socket]

alr ty

[eternal moth]

Assuming you have Sara's retro and augment complete anyway

[sharp socket]

i assume i need another hellcat for indep right

[eternal moth]

Hellcat, flapjack, tigercat, one of those is recommended

[sharp socket]

the gear scrap guide is hard to read

[eternal moth]

Flapjack or Tigercat would be better if you can make them

[sharp socket]

why does it format like this

[viscid swift]

switch to desktop

[forest palm]

are you using desktop mode?

[sharp socket]

i am on phone

because i play AL on phone

[atomic abyss]

you can set webpages to appear in desktop mode on mobile tho

[sharp socket]

i dont know if my iphone can do that

[atomic abyss]

the wiki has a button at the bottom of every page

to display websites in desktop or mobile

[glass quest]

is it in general better to use Dive Bombers OR Torpedo Bombers on Hakuryuu‘s 3rd slot?

[eternal moth]

Normally it looks like this

[sharp socket]

oh i found it

[viscid swift]

It's not related to the device

[sharp socket]

it looks so much nicer now

[eternal moth]

TBs when possible, unless you're using rocket fighters

[steady beacon]

3rd slot always TB, unless you're doing some kind of area bombing setup (in which case you need to be fully aware of why you're doing it)
1st slot varies according to her enemy

[glass quest]

Thanks. Also, another question: Are there certain zones in OpSi on which it is the most recommendable to farm for Tx Ordnance Reports and Main Design Plans? I get so little of them

[steady beacon]

... I know that you get a good number from Abyssals (although still RNG as to which kinds of plans you get), but I honestly can't remember the rates from other zones

The basic advice that applies to all OpSi holds, though... do all the explorables, hiddens, Abyssals, Strongholds, and Arbiters that you can, do all your daily missions, and then spend any excess AP on C3/C5 fishing for cat nodes
Apart from that, there isn't really a "zone strategy" or particularly favoured place for farming

[glass quest]

alright, thank you

[serene moth]

to get the blue gun, do i open eagle union purple or blue boxes

[atomic abyss]

which blue gun? 76mm? always craft to purple

blue boxes mostly give you white gear

[serene moth]

i got recommended to use the blue gun on kawakase and chum

[atomic abyss]

so always use purple boxes

you also have a chance of getting a good purple equip from those so

[serene moth]

aight

what should i upgrade the 76 max to?

[viscid swift]

its max, +7

[serene moth]

aha

[undone plover]

is there a table with the xp needed per level for this?

[atomic abyss]

wait

[undone plover]

i meant for META ships but nvm found it. it was a seperate wiki page

[atomic abyss]

oh lol

[forest palm]

you'd think at this point they'd just clarify it to SSR, and SR Meta

[umbral briar]

guys sorry i wanna ask , any tips for leveling SS? hard make they MvP

[hollow gust]

Just dump them in dorm or exp that lol

[umbral briar]

for love just stay at 50

[forest palm]

just use them like any other ship

[soft raft]

What
If you mean their affinity, then that's a bit more painful outside of raid events

[umbral briar]

yes i mean affinity

[forest palm]

I mean it's not really painful, it's just time consuming, which means you just need to use the Subs

[steady beacon]

Well, secretary slot 1 helps

[umbral briar]

how many battle to incrase per 1 affinity?

[novel condor]

And being in dorms

[steady beacon]

If you're going for affinity 200, though... well... that can be tough, time-consuming, and an oil drain

[jaunty vault]

16 battles for 1 affinity

affinity doubles if mvp

so its 0.0625 normal
0.125 if mvp
per battle

[atomic abyss]

it is 16 yes

[novel condor]

Coop the gph mod is here

[jaunty vault]

stop rubbing salt on my wounds

[forest palm]

[soft raft]

Tho good luck getting your subs to get MvP

[jaunty vault]

its not that difficult of a task tbh

[steady beacon]

I personally like doing 11-1 (although I think 12-1 is also fine bc it's also quite small; I just don't bc some of my sensibilities are circa 2020) when training subs bc small map means chance of enemy landing on natural hunting square increases; a couple of event maps are also quite conducive...
Honestly, provided your equipment is reasonable, it's a good opportunity to use somewhat weaker ships (esp in the vanguard) to give the subs a better chance to MVP
The last time I was training subs, they were able to MVP pretty much in every battle they were summoned for, for that reason

[jaunty vault]

pretty sure the recommended/ideal map for sub exp/affinity farming outside of raid events is 13-3

[novel condor]

Just ask ender to make u orange wdym

[steady beacon]

Fascinating, fascinating...

[umbral briar]

too far for me, so the most reasonable thing is an event, well thanks guys

[whole crypt]

the ideal map is just bring it to whichever map you're farming since you'll be done with subs before surface ships

[undone plover]

some events also allow u to get to 100 affinity with secretary slot. so if u are completely averse to using them look out for those events

[whole crypt]

they're like once or twice a year and you don't have a hell lot of time to raise too many ships

[sharp token]

what ships that has slow debuff?

[tame jungle]

Formi, AvP, Ark Royal

[whole crypt]

the ones we usually recommend are Implacable, AvPFS5 and Ark Royal

[tame jungle]

And all the other ones that i missed :3

[sharp token]

AvP?

[tame jungle]

August von Parseval

[atomic abyss]

/wiki august

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

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https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/August_von_Parseval/Quotes
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May 10, 2024, 4:16 PM

[novel condor]

Wait Implac has a slow?

[atomic abyss]

i mean, that's a part of what makes her good yes

[eager mulch]

No she has a stop

[sharp token]

i can coin AvP?

[whole crypt]

she has a stop effect which also slows

[novel condor]

I dun remember her skill sets

[steady beacon]

Almost every stop in the game (and every serious CV one so far) has a slow component

[atomic abyss]

which is just a better and fancier slow
essentially, impla is an upgraded avp, with a LOT more stuff

[whole crypt]

she is literally the best stopper

[eager mulch]

cross fleet stop too

[sharp token]

so i could go with full CV with shin,avp,haku

[atomic abyss]

i mean, lacking impla, that's about as good as it gets for cv boss fleets

[keen sable]

when you leave ps at sl1 because her stop sucks

[steady beacon]

Which, to be clear, is still pretty damn good
And, indeed, the best we had in that interval between August FS5 and Implacable

[whole crypt]

Shinano/Hakuryuu/AvP was the best CV fleet before Implacable

[tame jungle]

Is ark’s retrofit a big upgrade for her?

I still have her lv99 LOL

[crimson glacier]

she gets a lot of reload

[tame jungle]

Ok yeah that’s something i usually do struggle with when syncing so might be up next then for me

[whole crypt]

Aquila's even worse

[umbral briar]

Sorry, I'm still asking about that affinity, for the secretary, is it enough to just put it down and leave it? I mean if I turn off the game does it still increase or not? or if I play a stage does it also stop?

[steady beacon]

Yep, it increases passively, amount gained is entirely based on the passage of time (a bit like comms)

[whole crypt]

secretary affinity stops at 90, any higher you'll need to use in battle

[steady beacon]

Oh right, but with that sole caveat

[cobalt rapids]

did aquila perform worse than noca lol
or did u pick different nodes ?

[umbral briar]

so it doesn't matter if I turn off the game, right?

[steady beacon]

At least a couple of people I've spoken to have advocated
Raising the affinity entirely by secretary slot to 90, and only then starting to use in battle, to reduce the number of battles necessary to raise to 100, but that's really up to you
And yes, you can turn off the game

[whole crypt]

not worse than NorCal, worse than Unicorn + NorCal

now testing BisZwei + NorCal + (healer)

Unicorn made 0ammo mid boss with red health, the fleet got no further

with Aquila vanguard was just dying

trying Volga now

[cobalt rapids]

i dont think theyll perform better

but mby u can try sushi norcal aquila

[whole crypt]

I don't think so either, but a test is a test

[gloomy mesa]

Is she any Good?

[whole crypt]

Musashi might do better when you still have ammo but once you hit 0 ammo I think might be worse than Bis

[cobalt rapids]

i mean sure but how many ooa nodes are u doing

[steady beacon]

She is top-tier meme material
As for actual usage, unfortunately... nope

[gloomy mesa]

🥲

[whole crypt]

well I don't have a lethal 15-4 to work with so it's kind of just seeing what sort of odds I can stack

I guess it's workable with 15-4 if you pick your ammo node up right

I think for 15-3 mob fleet will need to do some mob nodes with 0 ammo before last boss spawn?

[jaunty vault]

sushi is still pretty good OOA

[cobalt rapids]

it was 1-2 iirc

[jaunty vault]

unless you fighting them bi/triforce main fleeters on lethal

but im pretty sure even bis with cirt has trouble fighting those

[whole crypt]

I guess you could argue coping with NorCal is okay if you don't want to wait for Aquila/Volga, if alongside UR BB main

[jaunty vault]

why notuse ryuuhou or something else

[whole crypt]

NorCal is a shop ship

[jaunty vault]

even persus works ig but i see your argument

[whole crypt]

unfortunately for the faction fleet people without a main fleet heal it's still a no go for pure USS mob fleet in 15, at least not on lethal

[jaunty vault]

then again anyone that has access to w15 wouldnt need to limit themselves to perma non gacha ships

unless youre nagami/ramzhlocke ig

[whole crypt]

personally my opinion is there's no real need or rush to push 15 with suboptimal setups unless you going some sort of meme or self-imposed restriction

14 even

[cobalt rapids]

13 even

[whole crypt]

13 is a joke nowadays

[gloomy mesa]

I'm in w6 is it worth it for me to look at mini events yet?

[whole crypt]

what mini events

[gloomy mesa]

These

[keen sable]

Want a skin then dew it

[whole crypt]

you can do those whenever, they just need you to do things you'd normally do everyday anyway

they don't involve going out of your way to fight some shitty event map

[gloomy mesa]

What about these?

[whole crypt]

war archive you can safely skip unless you need to find an easy-ish stage with oilcap before you get the commander levels needed to progress

[gloomy mesa]

Is u-410 good?

[whole crypt]

not really, if you want to build a KMS sub fleet you want the gold U-boats, also subs are not something you should be bothering at your level

[gloomy mesa]

Just asking because she's one of the rewards for a mini event

[whole crypt]

don't bother with her, at least not for now

[slim hinge]

Do you think I should take the rainbow Plymouth research? Or should take the basic Q research to save on cubes and coin? I'm just trying to get more parts to get a 5th Plymouth gun. I don't need more of her blueprints since I have 389 of them and more than enough for a future fate simulation.

[cobalt rapids]

wouldnt take ply research unless u got a healthy cube reserve

[keen sable]

I cope on d0 gear

[slim hinge]

I have 3.8k cubes. So that's not an issue for me.

[cobalt rapids]

then id take it

[whole crypt]

take it for the quads

[keen sable]

D0 is second best design per hour

[normal sun]

does anyone have a beginners guide for this game? i can’t find one in the pins

[forest palm]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[eager mulch]

[forest palm]

[native trail]

uhh how do i know what cat thing to use for each fleet?

or does it not matter

[eager mulch]

Use cats with good talents

[native trail]

i have level 30 cats

[eager mulch]

You wouldn’t use a cat with talents that give CV avi in a BB fleet

[native trail]

idk what to do with any of them or what talents are

[elfin hollow]

The one thing two is that certain war archives give designs for good items. Like steam catapult and And gold hydraulic steering gear.

[eager mulch]

talents are the stuff your cats get at base and every 5 levels that you can reset

[whole crypt]

you get your catapults from boxes and you get your rudders from research
your time and oil is better spent grinding campaign

[elfin hollow]

And what are the chances that you get a catapult from a box like 2%?

Half the time I just get a crappy gold version of a plane I’ll never use

[eager mulch]

what are the chances you get a single steam catapult bp