gameplay-help

[viscid swift]

neither is particularly frail

[whole crypt]

Shimanto is less durable than Harbin but they're both reasonably beefy

[steady beacon]

... Excuse me, what 👀
Not the other way around...?

[atomic abyss]

oh whoops shiman has 5k HP lol

[steady beacon]

Mhm
As I marvelled when she first dropped
Higher HP and EVA than Cheshire

[atomic abyss]

i mean generally a lot of CLs were tankier than their CA counter parts in terms of raw eHP

[jade ibex]

CA's have a hard identity crisis rn

[atomic abyss]

keywords being raw eHP
med armour is the leg up

[stark quiver]

Pls help

Where’s the thread lol

[whole crypt]

Shimanto has significantly higher base HP but off the top of my head it's something about eHP after evasion

I could be missing something... but regardless neither are particularly frail

[steady beacon]

Fascinating...

[whole crypt]

you could go pull up mebot's list and check, I'm less than concerned really

[steady beacon]

Same tbh
I use them in completely different environments anyway

[atomic abyss]

with all that said
yat kai still wants a chinese friend right
which ones though

[whole crypt]

I just use both in my OS mob fleet

usually DDG

[forest palm]

Harbin or Chang Chun tbh

[atomic abyss]

both ddg or ddg harb

[whole crypt]

if you have Harbin then DDG/Harbin

or even just Harbin if you have any other fancy vanguards to slot

[keen sable]

shimanto is portland. harbin is not.

[eager mulch]

but muh smokescreen

[whole crypt]

@eager mulch Hindenburg/Harbin/Shimanto is precisely my current OS mob fleet

[eager mulch]

I ran triple UR DD for a time

[keen sable]

you can debate whether 4% heal is outweighed by smokescreen +backline burn i assume. unless van also burns?

[atomic abyss]

just for the sake of comparison with the best of the CLs, how high even is rikka's DPS

[eager mulch]

worse than ply, better than helena

[atomic abyss]

helena or melena

[eager mulch]

helena

[viscid swift]

it's middling tbh, about the baseline of what good CL DPS is

[steady beacon]

Ngl, worse than Ply, better than Helena... is a range...

[atomic abyss]

so what does make her so good then
her and ryza

besides the thighs

[viscid swift]

she existed before PR5 released after which CLs got a massive dose of powercreep

[atomic abyss]

so ply

[forest palm]

there was also the CL Gun buff along the way

[viscid swift]

and Harbin, Shimanto, Scylla, etc

[atomic abyss]

i mean scylla is... a different breed entirely
76mm magic

[steady beacon]

Ryza throws a ton of bombs
So her damage for the first like 30ish seconds is quite high
It does fall off thereafter though

Actually, it's basically exactly 30, assuming the Four-Star Aurora setup

[atomic abyss]

i feel like im missing a few pages of footnotes here

[steady beacon]

Sorry, I'm so used to Ryza jargon...
Carrying her four bombs
Grand Bomb/Wirbel Luft/Laute Plajig/Crystal Ice Bomb, I always forget the order you're meant to carry them in this game

[atomic abyss]

my apologies, you can go back to ryza now

[jade ibex]

how do you rate her compared to sandy?

[atomic abyss]

scylla's dps is another breed entirely

[whole crypt]

Scylla isn't even in CN's top 10 for CLs

[steady beacon]

Ironically, Four-Star Aurora in the base game does not actually need 4 bombs, incidentally...

[forest palm]

CN's values are skewed, and weird though...

[viscid swift]

what is CN's top 10 for CLs then...

[atomic abyss]

who wants to bet it's chinawall

[forest palm]

that's a jerry face moment

[steady beacon]

I think it IS, last time we checked lol

[whole crypt]

to be fair the vanguard DPS list is ST

[atomic abyss]

i mean CN always has valued tanks

they put eugen pretty high up last time lol

[steady beacon]

I swear someone mentioned that uh
Ning or Ping found a place like... right after Ply or something...?

[whole crypt]

I'm not saying "not in top 10 picks"
I'm saying "not in top 10 DPS"

but again, that list is supposedly ST DPS so

[atomic abyss]

her barrage is good enough for her to drop a dps dd gun in favour of the blue 76 for barrage spamming

[viscid swift]

I still prefer 100 kai personally

[atomic abyss]

sandy's main purpose has and always will be her AA

[viscid swift]

and even before then the Twin 114mm

[stark quiver]

What tech does modney give

[steady beacon]

FP+1

[atomic abyss]

although it does help that she can do more than just AA
she's also one of the best CL options for ASW

[stark quiver]

Is start now is it too late to mlb her

[atomic abyss]

in fact

isn't sandy's asw strong enough that you can foresake the DD entirely

[forest palm]

you need like 8 days to unlock 21 days to MLB, so if there's more than 29 days left you're fine

[viscid swift]

yes but there are a number of DDs I'd take over Sandy in W14

[atomic abyss]

i mean yeah fair, it is w14

the DDGs have the same asw stat as sandy kai lul

[whole crypt]

Plymouth, HarbinFS, Shimanto, Kyub, Asuka, PamiatM, Chap, Misaki, HelenaM, Houston II

[atomic abyss]

pameta wat

[forest palm]

Kyubsyhev?

[viscid swift]

the top half makes sense, bottom half well

[jade ibex]

i say let them cook

[whole crypt]

well you know CN lists

[steady beacon]

[forest palm]

CN where the results don't make sense, and you can't replicate it

[whole crypt]

well CL wise I practically only use Plymouth, Harbin and Shimanto nowadays for anything that's not just leveling, besides Sirius and Helena where appropriate of course

[atomic abyss]

they were supposed to be a support or aa class mostly after all

[whole crypt]

they never quite got the balance right

[elfin hollow]

Just crafted this now. Do I put it on San Diego whose AA efficiency is 185% or Unzen eff 130%.

[forest palm]

Plymouth didn't get the memo quite clearly on that

[whole crypt]

San Diego

[elfin hollow]

Okay.

[atomic abyss]

i meaaaaaaaaan she still does support the fleet with her debuffs
.... and by killing enemies too

[forest palm]

when the support is a loaded shotgun...checks out

[whole crypt]

Shimanto is also superb AA while being pretty good damage

[elfin hollow]

Anything I should change

[whole crypt]

remind me, does it need to be OG Rodney in your fleet for the last 10s of the fight

[elfin hollow]

I’m still waiting to get the materials for the torpedoes though

Does the hydraulic steering gear passive stack or no?

[atomic abyss]

either

[viscid swift]

can be OG or her META version

[jade ibex]

rainbow torps isnt that much of an upgrade to gold

[whole crypt]

why are you bringing a depth charge

[elfin hollow]

Cause I don’t have another hydraulic steering gear yet

[atomic abyss]

you can't equip 2 gold rudders to begin with

[elfin hollow]

Oh

[atomic abyss]

it's usually toolbox+rudder

[whole crypt]

are you even fighitng anything that has subs

[elfin hollow]

I got plenty of toolboxes

[whole crypt]

or another eva aux that's not rudder

if you're fighting something that has subs, campaign subs are going to need way more than a +7 depth charge
if you're not fighting something that has subs, the depth charge is not doing anything

[night pumice]

should I retire copies of elite ships if they're not MLB? or do I keep them for mlb

[elfin hollow]

I have a +10 advanced sonar purple gear. I just don’t use it because there isn’t anything with subs so far.

[rain vine]

mlb

[elfin hollow]

Do any of the campaign chapters use subs?

[whole crypt]

sonar doesn't do anything nowadays
depth charge also does nothing if you're not fighting subs

ch14 and 15, but you should be using Hedgehog first

[elfin hollow]

I stopped at 12–4 haven’t started chapter 13

[atomic abyss]

14-3, 14-4, 15-3, 15-4 have subs
but even then, hedgehogs and asw planes first

[whole crypt]

swap that depth charge for another durability aux
or if Sandy isn't dying give her more pewpew

[viscid swift]

+10 the rest of that gear as well and don't use gold plates willy nilly

[elfin hollow]

I swapped the purple one for a toolbox

And as far as rainbow torpedoes, go if I got the rainbow version from the gear lab, I would use it on Unzen because her torpedo efficiency is 150% versus San Diego 135%.

I currently do not have enough ultra rare design plans for torpedoes to get the rainbow one.

[viscid swift]

the UR Quints are a sidegrade rather than an upgrade to the Gold Quads you get from tech boxes

[whole crypt]

rainbow quints are more sidegrade than an upgrade to gold quads, but I guess Unzen can make decent use of them

[viscid swift]

they're not something particularly worth going out of your way to craft

[elfin hollow]

Okay.

That’s my current Unzen.

[atomic abyss]

out goes the oxy torp...

[whole crypt]

hm someone on CN brought NorCal to 15-4 with BisZwei and Unicorn, but I guess safe farm

still doubt she makes the cut for lethal

[elfin hollow]

should I just use a purple toolbox?

[viscid swift]

yes, also replace those torps with quad mags unless you manual

[steady beacon]

And honestly, don't even use those torps on manual

[atomic abyss]

aren't there better manual torps now

[viscid swift]

yes

[steady beacon]

Mhm

[elfin hollow]

I usually don’t play on manual.

They should make a new gold repaired tool kit

Not that the purple ones bad or anything it’s not

[half plover]

do bulins at lvl 120 give tech?

[atomic abyss]

what tech would they even give...

[half plover]

just wanted to make sure before I unlock my bulins lmao

[eternal moth]

Hmm. Musashi bad?

[atomic abyss]

rodM?

[steady beacon]

If it helps any, that's probably better than... any other BB in the game can pull off against RodM...

Also, please, switch the order of your vanguard 👀

[eternal moth]

Who's supposed to be the tank, Jintsuu?

[dusk maple]

avrora

[elfin hollow]

Is Rodney META even worth building?

I have her just haven’t leveled her up yet

[atomic abyss]

very few metas are actually well, meta

[half plover]

If I already have enough ships to potentially get enough tech for FdG unlock, do I still want to grind chessboard or just do campaign and level?

[soft raft]

"Decent but better options exist" applies to like basically every showdown META

[half plover]

because I didn't get z46 yet and not sure if I want her

[steady beacon]

It depends on your equipment/oath status
I put Jintsuu tank (Goldburn + Oxytorp) to ensure she died, but I have seen other comps that put Avrora in tank and somehow manage to coax Jintsuu to die in centre, but I could never pull it off myself

[soft raft]

You'll need more for the later seasons so may as well get as much as you can

[eternal moth]

I should probably level Avrora then, she's only 120 right now

[dusk maple]

she can sink, her buff stays active

[eternal moth]

That would have helped earlier. Thanks

[serene moth]

Help with opsi fleets

[half plover]

I read something that independence buffs work crossfleet, is it that huge that I can just put her in boss fleet instead of mobbing and use another in mob?

[steady beacon]

Although, in fairness, you do want to try and keep her alive as long as you can
Just bc her slow speed really does... very measurably help your torpedoes' physical accuracy

[viscid swift]

cross fleets never dictate where you should use a ship

[steady beacon]

Oh, I'm assuming you're using Mk35s... if you're not, you can probably disregard that...

[eternal moth]

If the mk35 is the US anti-sub torp, yes I am

[steady beacon]

That would be the one

[eternal moth]

I'm going straight off Riceist's guide just to try it. Seems like it works pretty well

[steady beacon]

Ye, it's a fun comp, isn't it

[coral oyster]

Which is good for perseus, Scepter or hunting bow?

[eternal moth]

either, but you should probably be using uni instead of percy

[steady beacon]

Ngl, on the assumption she's not going to do much of anything after that first airstrike, I'd probably take Sceptre...
But the Uni point is more important

[coral oyster]

Understood

[whole crypt]

I'd tank with JIntsuu to game on her zombie proc, also keeping Avrora alive keeps vanguard slower for less janky movement

[rose whale]

how good are the new augments? the one for norcal look pretty good to me

[sweet delta]

Turns out only most of the CN shaft caved in. Hopefully we can use EN until CN gets cleared up

[rose whale]

that's the date for the shop

[whole crypt]

the shop stays so you can buy stuff if you have points
the event is over

[sweet delta]

She's now a very low end usable option for w15

[atomic abyss]

both are bad/meh
the prob with norcal is that she needs the shitty ass fuze aa guns to heal

[sweet delta]

What are you calling shitty

[steady beacon]

The CN shaft... caved in...?

[whole crypt]

not for lethal 15

just spend it on anything you can get

[rose whale]

no, spend them all. they will disappear next week

[cobalt rapids]

but i need my json shafts

[sweet delta]

They might be broken for a different reason

If you look at the Actions

[whole crypt]

well bottom line NorCal doesn't have the damage most of our current BB options have once you hit 0 ammo, so I'm not sure who you want to replace for "low ending"

[sweet delta]

It was broken 2 hours before CN predl went up, and it'll affect EN too

[sweet delta]

low end like Painleve

[whole crypt]

use with who then

if you're telling me to use her to replace one of the healers then bringing a UR BB to carry damage or probably Bis with cert to do the 0ammo, that doesn't sound very low end to me

[cobalt rapids]

the entire fleet doesnt have to be low end just the slot shes replacing

[whole crypt]

well I could try again with Bis/NorCal/Unicorn

[atomic abyss]

even i've given up

[whole crypt]

if it works then she's regularly available in medal, over waiting for Aquila/Volga perm

that's something I can fly with for testing

but it's past 2am and I need to hit the hay

[robust jackal]

Is there a recd. time fuze (long range) AA gun for NorCarol's new Agument?

[cobalt rapids]

prob 134

[whole crypt]

I'm going to say 134 because it has the longest range, if not anything else

[robust jackal]

[whole crypt]

I'm going to try tomorrow if she can replace Unicorn or Aquila/Volga with cert BisZwei unless someone else gets around to it first

I just don't fancy losing air supremacy if that healer slot is the carrier that puts you past threshold

[cobalt rapids]

well i wouldnt lock her to mob but yea i dont like the idea of trading acv either

[whole crypt]

don't see her really helping with boss either considering the low output, unless you're just expecting her to snipe repair/command

[cobalt rapids]

ig im expecting her to offer backline protection and vanguard heal and deal mediocre dmg and let the other 2 slots do the killing

[elfin hollow]

If the research is rainbow, is that supposed to mean anything?

[atomic abyss]

these researches have one of the best returns in the game

and it's highly recommended to take them if you have the resources

[inner delta]

hold about that, it's only recommended if you at least have enough to pity UR

[stone sluice]

What happens once you complete the 360/360 progression on OS? Do you get something special or just resets the next month?

[steady beacon]

And they are rare
So rare, I didn't even see one rainbow Kear my entire time researching her

[stone sluice]

Me either

[soft raft]

if you mean the stars, afaik nothing
And afaik they dont reset either

[elfin hollow]

Probably just grind 12-4 for some coins so I can do it

[inner delta]

save for CN anniv instead, dont take it

[soft raft]

Coins are frankly the least of your concerns right now
esp when we have a UR right around the corner

[sullen creek]

[eternal basalt]

Got 2 weeks to farm, and 3 weeks of event

[glacial heath]

will it be next week?

[inner delta]

no

there's no date yet, wait for stream

[soft raft]

CTA confirmed for next week in JP/CN notes
Stream is prob that week too which also means the event will be the week after that

[eternal basalt]

We have the CtA date, we have event date.. 23rd

[steady beacon]

Ngl, I thought the same too but uh...
Then there's the bizarre confounding variable of the Spee event only running until the 20th, i.e. ending Tuesday, not Thursday...
And Idt we've quite figured out what that's supposed to mean yet...

[static dome]

so we have date+data for CtA
but no data on faction that featured on CtA yet, right?

[silk sphinx]

Oh Tuesday? That’s kind of strange ig

[inner delta]

eh? the mini event can just end before the big event date

it's not uncommon

[night pumice]

how do hornet and yorktown compare to enterprise

[silk sphinx]

I know they’re not related but most events last a multiple of weeks. It happens though

[atomic abyss]

og hornet and og yorktown are significantly weaker

[steady beacon]

Which Hornet and which Yorktown?

[atomic abyss]

enterprise is strong enough to compete with UR CVs so...

[night pumice]

uh og, because I don't have either II

[eternal basalt]

KMS since carl, but hush

[soft raft]

extremely meh

[night pumice]

oh. and uh is mini shinano better than them?

[atomic abyss]

i'd lean to yessssss

[soft raft]

kinda leaning maybe but by a slim margin

[atomic abyss]

9 planes and arguably better skill set so i'd say yes

[static dome]

oh, I forget that they gib karl for 'that thing' replacement
so it's likely to be IB then

[inner delta]

that's not going to how they decide it

[soft raft]

go speculate somewhere else

[silk sphinx]

So many people have made that guess that I’m looking forward to them being wrong

[inner delta]

hassat is just memeing

[steady beacon]

Ngl, I'd almost phrase it as depending on how much of a gambler you are 👀

[eternal basalt]

50-50, her VO added now is sus

[atomic abyss]

i mean the fact that shinano chan is like og nano and can run 0 fighters....

and the og yorkt and hornet are stuck with the old 3/3/2 with 3x125% efficiency slots...

[inner delta]

what if i allow people to speculate but if they wrong they can't chat in gph anymore

[eternal basalt]

You'd ban all of gph

[inner delta]

some people don't speculate

[atomic abyss]

i speculate yuki will be free from this hell then

[whole crypt]

but that's wrong so ender can't chat here anymore?

[serene moth]

Anyone who wanna help me with opsi fleets?

[soft raft]

sure, post your dock in a thread

[serene moth]

I already did

[undone plover]

just double checking if i have CV rld tech at 18 i should use the top loadout for modney correct? assuming oathed

[fickle scarab]

Boss CV for w15 enty or york2?

[steady beacon]

Should be, but I beg you to test it first because I honestly wouldn't be surprised if JP got yet another bunch of numbers wrong...
I sorted the Nagato ones out, but if you made me test every single RLD value for CVs between 0 and 40 I'd probably lose my marbles completely

[sweet delta]

Maybe that >= sign should be <= maybe

And your difference would be 22

[undone plover]

yeah my difference is 22 that is why i am asking the signs are a bit confusing

[steady beacon]

This is why I'm never doing something like that ever again tbh

[undone plover]

i really want to avoid using the "optimal" loadout cuz 3 saiun kais at +13

[steady beacon]

Uhhh, let me think
I presume the confusion stems from the fact that I only put the upper limit in the last entry
Again blame JP
Although I probably should have inserted the upper values

Again, next time we get a complex META where people have less tech than the optimal setups, I'm just gonna sit back and say, "You're on your own."

Honestly, the only reason I phrased it as "LoadingDifference" is because of the oath/Autoloader variations
If it were just a tech range, it would have been easier to just give tech ranges for the RLD

Also, that was how the JP sheet constructed the value

[undone plover]

no the loading difference part is fine. it is just when u say >=4 then >=10 technically if i had 15 it would fit both although if u just didnt put the upper limit it makes sense. I just wanted to double check

[steady beacon]

Note to the future self that will never do this again: include upper limits

Probably the worst thing, though, is that I lost faith in that entire setup anyway
Literally all that effort for nothing

[undone plover]

it is still useful for me since I dont have implacable

[elfin hollow]

This is gonna take forever. I got accumulate 3.6 million XP using two ships.

[inner delta]

you can not do her first

[elfin hollow]

Heh??

[inner delta]

like just switch to someone else you can grind more freely than just grind with 2 ship

you also dont have any vanguard french, brest will need exp from vanguard too, or do you have?

[white wave]

why

[viscid swift]

you can also get Bearn and use her as well

[rain vine]

you dont have cores

[keen sable]

just a poor skk

[white wave]

oh thos are different

[elfin hollow]

I didn’t see that the 2.4 million was the Vanguard ones.

[elfin hollow]

Those are my Vanguard ships that fit the conditions

[inner delta]

ok so just get bearn for backline and you are fine

[keen sable]

go fetch champy first

or gascan

[elfin hollow]

Bearn???

[serene moth]

does anyone have ideas for gear/sync setups for opsi?

[atomic abyss]

/wiki bearn

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Bearn
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Béarn/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Béarn/Gallery
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Grumman_F8F_Bearcat

May 9, 2024, 6:39 PM

[atomic abyss]

wasn't someone already replying to your request on that in a thread?

[serene moth]

it was for the fleet, i got asked to see if anyone knew here

[graceful meteor]

throw in bis and yolo

[fallow lark]

12-4 for farming?

Exp

[forest palm]

that is a place to do that

[elfin hollow]

what do i do with my UR bulins, mlb guam, mlb uvh or wait for may UR

[fallow lark]

I can farm on a fleet 3 - 1 on there?

[forest palm]

12-1 is a bit more bang for your buck, and easier, 12-4 gives a bit more coin

[regal blaze]

hey 15 world is just a lot of planes and subs yea ?

[forest palm]

always run 3:3

[forest palm]

save them for now

[fallow lark]

Why?, isn't it easier for the back to get mvp?

[forest palm]

it's a waste of time

[elfin hollow]

also what do you guys think of north carolina aug?

[keen sable]

you forgot the kitchen sink amongst other things

[forest palm]

it's meh

[elfin hollow]

i mean, it could be worse

something like KGVs, instead she got a surefire healing, quite rare in BBs

which others heal, honoka from doa and arizona, right? and sevastopol

[forest palm]

MvP control whether it be running less ships, or poor gear on certain ships is a waste of time, you're better off pushing faster runs rather than slow runs

[hollow gust]

Shes meh, not the worst sr bb now , but still meh

[fallow lark]

Ok thanks

[forest palm]

also oil cap is a thing

[weak turret]

Sorry to bother everyone, but i asked to build a better fleet with all the gacha ships a while ago but procrastinated using em so i was wondering if any of the new Gacha URs should replace any of the ones here (the idea is to use them to push for world 15, tho embarrassingly i never bothered to push world 11 so…)

[cobalt rapids]

fleets could be different in 13>14>15 depending on what u have so post ur dock in thread and take one chapter at a time

[weak turret]

How do u add photos to a thread?

[cobalt rapids]

create it first then u can add

[weak turret]

Ok thanks

[warm flax]

15 doable with +10 aa guns?

[sweet delta]

15 doable without AA guns

~~That was even before I could cheat with laffii's ghost AA ~~

[bold salmon]

best cats for cv fleet?

[elfin hollow]

What is the next banner?

[eager mulch]

there is no current banner

[elfin hollow]

Oh ok

[sweet delta]

Cats with good CV talents, which are usually bishamaru, jiromaru, eagle, or ark

[elfin hollow]

When is the next banner?

[eager mulch]

23rd

[elfin hollow]

Oh so long break

[bold salmon]

Ok thanks

[glass quest]

guys no matter what I do I can‘t complete this chapter, even though I cleared it thrice already… Is that normal?

[wispy pendant]

restart app, not sure what's going on, the rest of us have no problem

i'm going to go clear that level right now to check it myself

[glass quest]

like I cant get to NW Passage A bc NW Passage C keeps blocking me off because it doesn‘t clear

[wispy pendant]

you could try buying the scanner?

[glass quest]

Scanner?

[sweet delta]

Clear it one more time, it will work this time trust me

[glass quest]

alr

[sweet delta]

In your previous 3 times you probably had a special zone on top like the yellow chest

[wispy pendant]

was there hidden levels there before?

[glass quest]

not that I remember

but it does look different this time

[wispy pendant]

there were probably special zones before, like a chest

[undone plover]

sometimes there are chests left that auto doesnt pick up. u have to get it manually. the zone should say "cleared" when u are inside it

[glass quest]

yea it‘s cleared now thanks

[cyan ravine]

What’s the consensus on the new augments?

[forest palm]

eh...

nothing game changing, and not much an improvement to the ships that got them

[soft raft]

Pretty meh
North Carolina's requires you to use the shitty fuze AA guns and Scharn's isnt a game changer that would suddenly warrant using her outside of PR XP farming

[eager mulch]

poor augs on poor ships

[cobalt rapids]

no consensus yet

[forest palm]

[eager mulch]

[crystal flame]

I need a Guide for map 15-1 through 15-4

I need advice for clearing maps in Chapter 15. I need recommendations for setting up fleets and recommendations for what equipment to give my girls.

[keen sable]

#bot-spam /w15

[crystal flame]

I already made a thread

[keen sable]

click #bot-spam , type /w15 , come back if you have questions still

[weak turret]

Is it worth spending cubes on research, i have like 2k cubes but i am a hoarder

[viscid swift]

at that point sure but PR7 should release in about 2 months so I'd save for then

[weak turret]

fair, i mean i also never finish any PR cause im well lazy

[viscid swift]

what

[weak turret]

like i just dont grind enough/right ships to finish the ships so the BPs just sit usually

[soft raft]

Huh

[viscid swift]

grinding XP is an incredibly easy affair...

just take 3 ships that meet the xp requirements that also need leveling and spam W12+

[weak turret]

so see... i err never bothered with going past w10

[viscid swift]

well that explains a lot

do me a favor and just push to 12-1 at least one of these days

[weak turret]

so it just never gets done. I am pushing it now, im sure the fleet of lvl 100-120 URs can do it its just im lazy

[viscid swift]

grinding XP, coins, etc becomes much easier

[weak turret]

I err never did those things, i rolled waifu and called it a day

Have basically all the non-colab gacha ships tho

[cloud panther]

Are the muse HP gear any good?

[viscid swift]

you need coins to pull though..
and take research missions for that matter

[weak turret]

theres oil cost reduction once i finish these things right? cause rn its guzzling

[viscid swift]

yes of course

[weak turret]

never became an issue, got all the ships with the coins i have + some of the mail coins

mayhaps i didnt pick the best fleet for W11 its like 80 oil a battle

[viscid swift]

if it clears then it clears

the oil spent will just be a drop in the ocean in the long run

[weak turret]

i mean id be pretty mad if my fleet of shinny URs cant clear. UR healer when tho, my fleet is all shiny but for unicorn healer XD

[wild whale]

what's a french tech box?

[inland shoal]

A french tech box is a french tech box

[wild whale]

where are they from don't say france

[wet prairie]

Medal shop

[tame jungle]

Iris libre blue tech box, from shop

[inland shoal]

There is only a blue version and it can be bought in some shops, forgot where exactly

[wild whale]

ah! ok thanks

[tame jungle]

I think it’s not just medal shop but that could just be me tweakin

[wild whale]

yay i got one. thanks

[inland shoal]

Wiki: Purchasable in Medal Exchange, General Shop, Merit Shop.

I think Medal shop is the most reliable source though

Not that you want many of them

[wild whale]

Just wanted 1, I have 9 aa prints but realized I probably shouldn't use all my electronics up after all

[worldly pewter]

buy 2 at a time and gamba

[wild whale]

bought 5 boxes got one that problem is solved 🙂

[worldly pewter]

they are supposed to be bought from merit and general shop

[inland shoal]

Tbh I have more use for merit than medal

[sweet delta]

I use merit for donation

[copper glacier]

If the game says I can get Allen Sumner from Ashen Simaculum, does that mean I can farm her from War Archives?

[south sequoia]

No

She was part of the build pool

[copper glacier]

So, this isn't accurate then? With regards to war archives?

[south sequoia]

I rhink you had just misinterpreted the text

It's telling that their event origin is ashen

And the only way to get them is via light consteuction

[copper glacier]

That's misleading lol. But, yeah. I can see it in that way too. K. Gold Bulins it is to fully limit break her then.

Too bad the event ships don't drop from war archives. I feel like they should since they retired the event by putting it in the archives.

[fallow lark]

Should I make kear? I'm almost done with parseval and kears 1st exp bar is at 93%

[soft raft]

they're added to the perma pools
dont really see any reason for them to add them to the map drop pool

[south sequoia]

I mean you can go ahead, but its not really recommended you just skip over to pr6

[fallow lark]

Problem is I don't have that many kear bp

[soft raft]

I'd finish all of PR4 and get at least Plymouth from PR5 first before you touch PR6

[fallow lark]

I have ply, agir and haku

[soft raft]

and when i say finish, I say as in D30/FS5 and at least 2 Tenrais

[fallow lark]

Done but Plymouth at 24

[viscid swift]

Finish PR5 then before moving onto PR6

[fallow lark]

So brest maybe?

[viscid swift]

Unlock order doesn't really matter at this point

You'll finish them all well before you get enough Blueprints

[south sequoia]

It's important to finish any season in build pool before moving onto another, if they are complete their researches won't appear in the next season so they don't hinder your progress

[fallow lark]

I don't really se myself using Harbin or chkalov tho, so idk

[south sequoia]

Just get them over with

[soft raft]

get them maxed out anyways, esp since that'll mean getting the DR prints faster

[fallow lark]

Yeah you're right

[south sequoia]

Or else they'll just haunt your pool when you move onto drs and pr6

[fallow lark]

Now that I think about it, what happens if you scrap a pr?

[soft raft]

you cant scrap research ships

[fallow lark]

[wispy pendant]

weren't we going to get additional dock space for meta? Was that going to include research also?

[forest palm]

just meta

[wispy pendant]

did we get that already?

[soft raft]

No

[forest palm]

not that I'm aware

[soft raft]

i'd imagine there'd be much more rejoicing if we got that
and the patchnotes are right there

[half plover]

is saratoga a decent cv to level up? or maybe shouhou for mob fleet since my unicorn is already 120+?

[wispy pendant]

yes on saratoga, she's very good after her augment and retro.
no on shouhou

[half plover]

my only options (elite+)

enty is already used on boss fleet

so saratoga it is

[wispy pendant]

ark royal is decent against bosses if you want to work on her, but she's eventually replaced by avp or implacable

[half plover]

ty

[wispy pendant]

I think I heard shinano-chan was sort of decent for an elite

[half plover]

and somehow my vanguard has trouble to get rid of the planes in 12-1

[wispy pendant]

basically don't worry about having two fleets until you are deep past w9, even up to w12

oh you're in w12, good

[half plover]

yeah I am farming in 12-1 rn, just unlocked FdG and want to start grinding IB main fleet exp

[wispy pendant]

is your acv in the green?

[half plover]

yes

but maybe it wasnt because admiral hipper and the 2 IB main fleet ships werent MLB

I just mlbd them

[wispy pendant]

hipper isn't known for her AA

[half plover]

yeah she was just closest to MLB with the right amount of tech to unlock FdG

so I was going to replace her

[wispy pendant]

are you running evasion or AA strat?

[half plover]

I am not running any strat at all

[wispy pendant]

probably use circle formation if you're having trouble with airplane damage

[half plover]

so since my laffey is also lvl 120 I need to find a new vanguard 😭

how about saint louis?

[wispy pendant]

it's fine to lose a little bit of exp if they are helping you carry lower ships until you have good gear to easily run worse ships

[rain vine]

might just want more levels and/or get them better aa options

[wispy pendant]

i honestly never felt saint louis brought much to the table

[half plover]

oh I see

[wispy pendant]

she doesn't bring that much damage and she's a lot squishier than portland

[half plover]

I got all my AA guns to +10, the purple quads/2 gold quads and the other round ones in gold and purple

[worldly pewter]

sanrui to 120 pr7 will have a goated royal ship trust

[wispy pendant]

but she's french

[rain vine]

what fighters do you have on strasser and uni?

[half plover]

my strasser has unis gear iirc

nvm

not sure if thats unis gear

I gave it to someone but I cant distinguish divers vs fighter ships

[rain vine]

hellcat is fine

[soft raft]

well for one, most CVLs like Unicorn cant even equip Dive bombers

[half plover]

one of these was unis ig

[viscid swift]

Use Corsairs instead of Purple Hellcats

[half plover]

I have one more golden seafang in inventory

if that one would help

[viscid swift]

Either works

And +10 that Helldiver as well

[half plover]

yeah did that

would that work

helena z23 and enty coming from my boss fleet for extra levels while the main fleet is low level

[viscid swift]

Try and see what happens

[half plover]

are there more planes when air superiority isnt green?

[mossy void]

Is there a Samvalution for guns? Like just guns by themselves

[sweet delta]

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[half plover]

ooh ty

[tropic tusk]

are any of these useable in anywhere?

[soft raft]

little renown is the better one out of those 5 but to keep it very short, no not really

And afaik Little Illustrious has been bugged ever since her original run

[tropic tusk]

bug how may i ask

[sterile vault]

Instead of lowering enemy hit rate, her yellow skill lowers your own ships hit rate.

[half plover]

isnt that type of bug super easy to fix tho

[tropic tusk]

oh thats sad

[south sequoia]

The devs actually do know about the "bug"

[tropic tusk]

yea maybe its fiexed now?

[south sequoia]

Probably, probably not
Lil lusty is still shit so you won't really notice it

[sweet delta]

Lillust is the sixth best support carrier for chapter 15 if you feel like leveling a ship with no tech to 120+

[tropic tusk]

wait u saying the big one or them small one

[soft raft]

Lillust = Little Illustrious

[tropic tusk]

wait then he said its good but theres bug

[whole crypt]

she's not good but there's a niche for ch15 support

[south sequoia]

Thats because skills are disabled in support fleet

[whole crypt]

without or without considering her skill bug she's just shit

[soft raft]

ships in support fleet have no active presence in battle besides the passive intercept from their fighters

[tropic tusk]

i dont understand

[south sequoia]

Support fleet only launches fighters

Nothing else

[whole crypt]

it's just ch15 mechanics, you probably don't get it if you're not there

[tropic tusk]

oh its a 15 thing ok

all little version ships dosent give tech points right?

[soft raft]

Yup
Muse ships as well

[pastel tinsel]

uhh umm okay this start bother me do i keep all weapons or err? only keep good weapons or aux?

[soft raft]

Here go read this
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

and if you were asking about what gear to scrap, you can do /equip in #bot-spam

[elfin hollow]

I am planning to replace taihou with a stronger ship in opsi but i need help if I should replace taihou with either AVP or aquila

[soft raft]

what fleet is taihou in right now?
Because AvP and Aquila do completely different things

[elfin hollow]

With shinano ark and for vanguard azuma ariake and yuui

[soft raft]

You'd yeet Ark for AvP

[elfin hollow]

Ah so replace ark for Avp?

[soft raft]

yes because AvP has a freeze compared to Ark's slow

[elfin hollow]

And do I replace taihou woth aquila or keep her for now until i get haku?

[soft raft]

Just keep her
if you're gonna be using Aquila, she'd be in Mob

[elfin hollow]

Thanks

[smoky palm]

What war archives do you all recommend / are the best for using your data keys on in your opinions? Only started in Jan so still learning ofc.

As far as SR ships available in the war archives I already have North Carolina, Z46, Le Triumphant, Kawakaze, Littorio, Bremerton, Chapayev, Hermoine, U-37, Ticonderoga, and Tallinn.

I know Kaga BB, King George V, and Duke of York can be bought with merit shop points..

and that Zuikaku and Prince of Whales can also be gotten from the Medal Shop/Requisition too..

Rn im doing the one for cosmic kicks since I dont have a copy yet.. just not sure what to do after that..

[viscid swift]

to be blunt the only one worth doing is Divergewnt Chessboard for IB tech, the rest are just collection/completion

[smoky palm]

IB tech?

[viscid swift]

Iron Blood tech points for unlocking IB ships in the shipyard

[smoky palm]

ahhh

[opaque yacht]

does oathing have any significant gameplay effects

[vale spindle]

Is 6% all stat boost significant

thats it for gameplay benefits

[soft raft]

(Tho tatical oathing is only for whales, most people just oath waifu)

[astral turret]

Out of these subs, is there a recommended comp? Or is it dependant on world/map?

[viscid swift]

there are numerous top sub comps, the best one is the one it is most convenient for you to build because there isn't much in it to begin with

[forest palm]

Archer + Flasher + Albacore
81 + 96 + 37
Vinci + M 556 + 47
Vinci, and 47 can be used as a fill ins

[viscid swift]

uhh, pretty sure you meant U-47 for the last one...

[forest palm]

brain is melted from work

[astral turret]

Dope, thank you all. I'm off to grind sub exp

[late brook]

So what’s the best way to farm for gem commissions these days now that we don’t get oil for retiring and can’t infinite farm

[frank pulsar]

pray

[atomic abyss]

Frankly this

Even back with the horrendous 2-1 method, it was never exactly reliable

You are unironically better off spending the time to do a small cleaning gig and come back with the cash to buy the gems with

[late brook]

Yikes it’s that bad?

[atomic abyss]

There's not even a reliable way to proc urgent comms

Let alone gem comms in particular

[late brook]

I regret not farming far more when infinite 2-1 was a thing

I got kongo’s skin and I need to restock on gems now but I’m f2p hmmmm

[atomic abyss]

Eh

There's a reason why f2ps shouldn't buy skins

It just ain't flipping worth it

And the 2-1 method was kinda shit anyways tbh

[late brook]

I got a ton from that though

[atomic abyss]

You got a ton of gem comms maybe

But how many actually gave gems

[late brook]

Enough for all these skins and oaths and I have multiple skins on some

[atomic abyss]

Well

All I can say is

Go spend the time working and you'll get enough for your gem needs

No more exploits to be found at this point

[late brook]

Dang it

I travel to much to work when I’m not at school

[weary fog]

Do I need gear lab gear for chapter 11?

Been getting by with purple gear and wtv gold gear dropped from gear box

[acoustic summit]

What page or application is that? I'm new to playing Azur Lane

[mint flint]

you dont really but also remember that gold isnt neccessarily good

[weary fog]

Or rather at what point do I have to begin investing properly in gear lab?

[warm flax]

It's from a tier list

[weary fog]

12-4?

[acoustic summit]

Ohhh

[warm flax]

When you need it

And better if advanced

Consider exploring a gear guide (idk the command)

[mint flint]

/equip

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Equipment Guides and Tier Lists

🔹 Equipment picture guide by samheart564#4031

🔹 Full details on equipment statistics
🔹 List of equipment safe to scrap by thebombzen#3287

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[weary fog]

thank you

At what point in the main campaign is a fully built sub fleet needed?

[forest palm]

never, subs aren't mandatory, but their complimentary damage is much appreciated in world 13, and onward

[frank pulsar]

its probably only needed in w15 depending on how weak your fleets are, you can get by without subs everywhere else

[atomic abyss]

^ all these pretty much

[eager mulch]

I didn’t need subs in w15

[warm flax]

How...

[forest palm]

well when you bring a big enough stick...

[silk sphinx]

Lots of UR and gear

[atomic abyss]

I mean if your fleet is strong enough

Subs are ultimately just complimentary

[silk sphinx]

Also probably a non negligible amount of tech plus cats. It builds up

I didn’t use subs either for the record

When people have played for years… and you have so many rainbow ships…

[atomic abyss]

Ultimately
If you're first clearing a real difficult map, why spare the expense?

[elfin hollow]

Hm, I might need help on how to upgrade my fleet next.

[atomic abyss]

Alright, create a thread, show us your current ship and your dock, and we'll see what we can do

[elfin hollow]

What should I focus on next

[blissful hamlet]

is brest getting fatesim now that she has cathcup event?

[viscid swift]

if that were the case Agir would already have her fate sim and Haku would have had her's a lot sooner...

[blissful hamlet]

[sweet delta]

serenity

[blissful hamlet]

agir fatesim soon

[atomic abyss]

Ah yes let's make her more broken

[silk sphinx]

Answer is she’ll probably get one eventually, but DR fatesim have historically been inconsistent in scheduling

[viscid swift]

to a degree....

[blissful hamlet]

60% slow on main gun fire

[silk sphinx]

To a degree. And try to lessen speculation here…

[kind needle]

Should I go Harbin first or Chkalov?

[soft raft]

doesnt really matter

[atomic abyss]

I'm assuming you've already cleared pr4

[kind needle]

If I’m going to go Harbin, is these 3 enough?

[kind needle]

Got em all, all D30 and FS5 (except Haku)

[sweet delta]

In the long term, it's more efficient to level up DDGs in the main fleet. But this is fine too

[weary fog]

Does Monarch belong to mob or boss fleet? Entering chapt 11

My only other good BBs are Hood, Nelson retro and 3* new jersey

[atomic abyss]

Her kit leans her to mob more
Assuming she has been dev 30 ofc

[vale spindle]

In chapter 11 mob fleet is better

[weary fog]

Yeap dev 30

[atomic abyss]

Although I will say Nelson retro might be better than Monarch arguably....

[vale spindle]

in chapter 12 and 13 it doesnt matter

[atomic abyss]

[sweet delta]

Probably the dock, because you have hood and nelson

[weary fog]

Oh rlly? I been using Hood in mob fleet so I can replace her with Nelson?

Can Hood be boss fleet BB then?

[atomic abyss]

Hood just... Isn't as good in w11 in mob because she has issues with suicide boat killing

I'd throw her in boss and chuck Nelson retro in mob yes

[weary fog]

Alright thank you

My nelson too weak to withstand all the BB shellings from enemies rn though

[atomic abyss]

In flagship ofc

Fire suppressor time

[plain saffron]

Use fire extinguisher

[weary fog]

Alright thanks

[sick bay]

What does this bar mean?

[sweet delta]

/detection

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Detection Level:
If the gauge hasn't been filled, your carriers gains "hidden buff", which is 10% flat AA resistance reduction to enemies (basically they deal more dmg) and they can't be chosen as a valid target (enemies BB won't attack your CV when hidden).
If the gauge has been filled, there will be an exclamation mark (!) displayed to the side of the gauge, and your carriers lose the "hidden buff". They will regain the buff when the gauge level falls below the red line.
The gauge will be slowly filled if spotted by the enemy (both planes and ships) if they crossed the detection line, when they are burning, and when launching an airstrike.
Credit: -It's Rajaku-#1817 and Newbie#1553

For more information, consult the wiki

[weary fog]

Is Shinano 5* worth using over mlb ships I have? Been thinking of replacing her with mlb centaur

[sweet delta]

Depends on the fleets

[weary fog]

does mob and boss fleets make a diff for replacement?

thinking of using saratoga retro and enterprise in my boss fleet

then unicorn and one of the above in mob

[dreamy bridge]

[sweet delta]

Unicorn Saratoga for mob, centaur enterprise for boss

[atomic abyss]

Yeah it does make a difference
Sara likes to bomb many targets

[weary fog]

Oh ic

I will shelve Shinano first then

[sweet delta]

Sara is just better centaur considering the probable lack of rocket fighters and wyvern

[weary fog]

then why is sara preferred in the mob fleet if she brings more dmg

[sweet delta]

That is a good question

Sara has damage every 10 seconds, which is good for mob

And centaur has similar reload time to unicorn, so they could attack at the same time, kill the enemies, and bomb the water

[weary fog]

I see, thanks

Sorry I got a lot of fleetbuilding qns, this time its for the Vanguard (All MLB)
Mob: portland (retro), Z23 (retro), San Diego (retro)
Boss: Kronstadt, Kawakaze, Friedrich Carl
I have Chapayev and Helena (not retro) which I want to fit. You think they can replace Carl and Kawa respectively?

[keen sable]

no, yes

[sweet delta]

Carl should be in front to contribute the most damage, and she's stronger than Portland in every way

What limit break is the Kron? And does kawakaze have gold augment?

[weary fog]

Kron MLB, Kawa have gold augment

[sweet delta]

All of these ships are more than good enough to get you through chapter 12, so just pick the ones that are leveled already

Which probably gets rid of chapayev

[weary fog]

Replace Portland?

[sweet delta]

But Helena is worth leveling quite early, so Helena replaces kawakaze and kawakaze replaces z23

[weary fog]

Who will replace Carl then if I switch Portland out for her

[atomic spear]

Good way to get North Carolina?

[atomic abyss]

Medal shop, but honestly not even worth getting her

[sweet delta]

Well basically you can make the fleets however you want, with few restrictions:

1. Carl front of one fleet
2. Kron front of the other fleet
3. Helena boss fleet if she doesn't need exp. Mob fleet for exp

[atomic spear]

What’s other good American battleships?

[sweet delta]

Why American only

[atomic spear]

Bc I’m build like that

[atomic abyss]

There's only 2 really
NJ and Kearsarge

[atomic spear]

Ah damn I just got NJ

Doesn’t she excel with all battleship backline

[sweet delta]

Depends on the purpose of the fleet

[atomic abyss]

I mean the US realised early on that BBs weren't the way to go in the war since pearl harbour and midway

[sweet delta]

A three BB main fleet is not really recommended for campaign mob

[atomic abyss]

So they went in on the carriers instead

That's why there's so few US BBs

[atomic spear]

Ah

[sweet delta]

#al-general #history

[atomic abyss]

I mean, that's why there's so little in game

[atomic spear]

So New Jersey would work better with her and 2 other carriers

[sweet delta]

Nobody needed to know that

[atomic spear]

Like NJ Saratoga refit and Essex

[sweet delta]

Depends on the purpose of the fleet

[atomic spear]

Boss fleet

[weary fog]

Mob Fleet: Carl, Kawa, San Diego (Retro)
Boss Fleet: Kron, Helena (soon to be retro), a DD...?

[soft raft]

Where exactly?

[atomic abyss]

Yeah you can do better than that even for US only

[atomic abyss]

The large issue with US fleets is that they lack any good healer
And no, NoCar aug isn't healing much

[atomic spear]

Best fleet yall be tripping

[soft raft]

Ok at this point you have to be trolling

[atomic abyss]

...look, even for French faction fleets that's not even the best

[atomic spear]

All I can cook up atm

[weary fog]

I use Z23 for now in boss fleet until I retro Yuudachi...? Or maybe I use my UR bullins on my Shimakaze 😛

[atomic abyss]

And this is why we don't use faction fleets

[atomic spear]

I need better vanguard

[atomic spear]

I use faction fleets 🤓

[sweet delta]

Probably keep z23 for now and get neither yuudachi nor shimakaze

[weary fog]

Okay

[atomic spear]

Should see my British fleet

[soft raft]

No thanks

[atomic abyss]

The issue with the US BBs is this

NJ is outclassed
And Kearsarge wants to be with US CVs

[atomic spear]

Ain’t bad hood qe unicorn
Edinburgh, london refit, Belfast

[atomic abyss]

If this was 2018 yeah that would be fine

[atomic spear]

[viscid swift]

that is bad even by faction fleet standards

[soft raft]

That vanguard is frankly dogshit

[atomic spear]

You right

[atomic abyss]

London kai is probably the only redeemable thing (sorry Belfast)

[atomic spear]

I don’t know what’s good or not anymore I made that fleet in 2018 ironically

[sweet delta]

The current year is 2024

[atomic spear]

Idk what he a good British backline rn im almost done with getting monarch

[viscid swift]

it depends on the content

[sweet delta]

Vanguard unicorn perseus if it's for mob

[atomic spear]

Don’t got vanguard

[sweet delta]

Vanguard Implacable plus Albion or someone if for boss

[atomic spear]

Gotchu

So hood and QE is bad

[atomic abyss]

Qe has always been bad
Hood is still great with her augment

And is still the number 1 choice for a new player to get from medal exchange of beginner missions

[sweet delta]

QE is the best option you have considering your restrictions

[atomic spear]

This is what I got nothing good I missed alot of limit event ships

[sweet delta]

Hood unicorn QE ggez

[atomic spear]

Ik ik

Trying to get monarch to replace QE

[atomic abyss]

She wouldn't imo

Monarch needs flag like hood

And hood is just better at this point

I'd sooner chuck in pow with augment

Sorry not kgv

[sweet delta]

QE is much better than pow in a royal navy fleet

[gusty olive]

Mob fleet

[sharp socket]

does hood fall off later

my other built bb is soyuz

alabama is also chilling at lv70 no lb

[vale spindle]

shes worse than rainbows but ignoring rainbows shes up there

[sweet delta]

Hood falls off in chapter 14. Or 13 if you use triple carrier mob

[atomic abyss]

Hood falls off around w13/14 partly due to lack of enemies she can pulverise easily with her barrage

[sharp socket]

ah alright

[atomic abyss]

W13 cos of med and heavy armoured targets
W14 cos it's w11 but far worse

[sharp socket]

i havent paid attention to the game mechanics thus far so i might be in trouble when things go wrong and i dont know why

[atomic abyss]

Well w10 is when you need to maybe use your brain a bit
But up till w12 you're mostly fine with unga bunga strats

[sharp socket]

which one is the subs one

[atomic abyss]

W14
More precisely, 14-3 and 14-4
But they also appear in 15-3 and 15-4
But w15 is primarily plane hell first

[sharp socket]

are there vanguard ships good against subs specifically

or is it not needed

[south sequoia]

Any good CL/DD

[weary fog]

When do I start like getting serious in Opsi? Been jus playing around and clearing the 200 ship AP thing a day. I don't rlly know how to progress Opsi tbh

[atomic abyss]

W14 is the one time that you'll want to bring in DDs

[south sequoia]

The difference in performance between them is miniscule

[atomic abyss]

To be more specific, DDs with hedgehog

[south sequoia]

But you would still need others to still do lifting

[sullen creek]

Is Hood really better than Monarch, Nelson, Const in every situation

[sharp socket]

my laffey can use hedgehog

[south sequoia]

Like for 1 of your cvs to carry an ASW plane

[atomic abyss]

Well, when it's good to start then

[frank kernel]

Subs only show up on the recon/destroyer nodes too so you only need one fleet to be able to handle them.

[weary fog]

I mean I don't even have enough tech points to start researching PR2 ships

[viscid swift]

you can work on both in the same time frame

[atomic abyss]

The key thing is that hood has 100% proc rate on her barrage...

[south sequoia]

Hood would be consistently better than monarch but assuming monarch is able to get 100% procs, monarch would edge by a bit
There's no real difference between hood vs nelson other than hood not needing the get hit requirement
As for constellation im not sure

[atomic abyss]

The issue is consistency

[frank kernel]

Hood also winks during bullet time which is worth 1 or 2 tier boosts.

[atomic abyss]

As said by someone else
Why not both
Opsi can be done when your main fleet is low on morale due to grinding

[cloud fractal]

Which WarArchives should I be completing first? Divergent Chessboard? (Going for FdG)

[atomic abyss]

Opsi doesn't use morale after all

[viscid swift]

that's the one and only one you should be farming for now yes

[atomic abyss]

Just use DC to hit fleet tech and bail I suppose

[sharp socket]

so now i have indep, enty and saratoga
hood and unicorn are on mob while soyuz on boss, who goes where

[viscid swift]

and frankly, the sooner you start the sooner you can start building up resources for the gear lab

[cloud fractal]

Fleet tech is generated primarily by MLBing ships, correct?

[viscid swift]

that's the main source yes

[weary fog]

Alright will continue to just clear the 200 AP daily

[viscid swift]

have you even finished the opsi story yet?

[weary fog]

Uhhh finished chapter 2 yest

[viscid swift]

that should be your main priority

[weary fog]

Can I survive with just my campaign mob and boss fleet

I heard Opsi is 3 boss fleet 1 mob fleet

[viscid swift]

for the purposes of clearing the OpSi story yes

[cloud fractal]

Is there something specific I’m farming for? Exp, a specific ship? Mats? I didn’t see a whole lot of material on why to do this one, just that it’s a priority since FdG is a priority.

[viscid swift]

you're farming for Iron Blood ships you don't have so you can get tech points from them

[soft raft]

this is primarily for unlocking FdG and other Iron Blood research ships

[cloud fractal]

Right, I have a bunch, but they need to be leveled and the only way to MLB is level 70… I guess I need to go find a guide on how and where to power level efficiently?

[viscid swift]

dorm/xp packs to level 70 mainly

[cloud fractal]

Okay. I have 18 unique IB ships, and I guess I need to work on expanding the dorm. I’ve got 3 slots but I need to expand to get to second floor.

[soft raft]

2nd floor would defo help
Since that would let you put your whole mob fleet in dorm and the morale regen within the fleet would be evened out

Note that you just have to fully expand the floorspace in the first floor to unlock the option to buy the 2nd floor, not the # of dorm slots

[violet vigil]

Would An Shan benefit from Hammer or Dual Swords more?

[soft raft]

about like 99% of the DDs generally use dual swords more

[cloud fractal]

Yeah. I’m at the need 1000 decor coins to expand again. Taking a while to generate them.

[sweet delta]

Nelson is better than hood in 14, hood is possibly better than nelson against light bosses, constellation is best of the 4 against all bosses

[sweet delta]

about like 90% of the DDs generally use dual swords more

DDGs like anshan use swords in vanguard or hammer in main fleet

[weary fog]

Aside from progressing the story in Opsi and securing new zones, what else am I suppose to grind in Opsi

[sullen creek]

Seems legit, did a few runs of Gneisenau META with Hood and Monarch. Seems like whoever gets flagship wins for the most part :/

[weary fog]

jus go back to the secured zones when got chests and gold pop up?

[atomic abyss]

I mean yes, because their barrages are position dependent

[sullen creek]

Monarch didn't procc much and I made sure backline died after 2 salvos

[viscid swift]

basically, clear all strongholds, abyssal, explorable, and hidden nodes each month along with Arbiter and daily missions

dump any excess AP into farming C5 secured nodes

[atomic abyss]

What was Bristol supposed to be good for

[weary fog]

I think I am not far in enough to understand any of these...

[plain saffron]

Juat do story for now

[viscid swift]

debuffing enemy evasion rate

[elfin hollow]

does doing them in a certain way give anything? or is it just for fun

[wind hazel]

just fun

[atomic abyss]

How do we tell them...

[steady beacon]

Specifically, she's the only (current) universal evasion rate debuffer who does not rely on a probabilistic proc at any point
Caveat is that it's tied to aiming her lamp, so at least if you auto, the probability lies in your vanguard's movement

[sullen creek]

That's the most important part : )

[atomic abyss]

So she basically... Yeets a flare?

[sweet delta]

Being a better Plymouth ||according to a youtuber||

[viscid swift]

pretty much, you're also restricted to 20 second timings as well if you want to make use of it

[atomic abyss]

[steady beacon]

Basically
But at what I personally find a more decent time than flare users, assuming no 20s shield at least
I have seen some CN vids of auto and getting Bristol to proc at the right spot on a prayer, but I, at least, have no faith whatsoever in my luck on that point... so I just 🕹️ on occasions when I use her

[atomic abyss]

Ah naruhodo

Yeah I was just finding things to finish up Seattle with

Unfortunately no Laffey II so

Oh
I remember what happened now
I tried to gacha Laff II on the last day and failed

[jaunty vault]

[atomic abyss]

This is why you play the game consistently kids

[jaunty vault]

i mean i only got one copy of laff2 cause i was busy

[steady beacon]

You tried to gacha Laffey II 👀

[jaunty vault]

that was what the was for kewk

[atomic abyss]

I didn't play the event yeah

Then I tried very hard on the last day and failed

But hmm, looks like Bristol is out huh

[jaunty vault]

just ignore gph advice and follow our lord and saviour quyet

[sweet delta]

https://youtu.be/yivjNNh4Ztg?t=106&si=XUE4mbK_-eSPbb9K I used bristol against hermit ... But why not just Shimakaze it

[jaunty vault]

(pls don't)

[atomic abyss]

I mean besides the obvious Ancho, Guam and Sandy Kai, no other high prios for 125 right?

Unless someone here gave some great fleet tech

[sweet delta]

Laffey
...
...
...
||Wrong rarity ||

[jaunty vault]

fleet tech fodder doesn't get 125

[atomic abyss]

Ok let me rephrase
Anything else to 120 besides the obvious Ancho Guam and Sandy

[jaunty vault]

houston and cooper

[viscid swift]

there's quite a lot of good tech there

[atomic abyss]

Houston gave eva?

[jaunty vault]

if you want dd fp you can also do nick

[jaunty vault]

[viscid swift]

Cleveland, Nicholas, Wichita, Houston, Columbia, Denver, Birmingham, Boise, Bremerton, Cooper, and St. Louis

[atomic abyss]

What did the Clevelands give?

[jaunty vault]

fp

cooper is also fp but shes cuter than everyone else so she gets priority

[atomic abyss]

Well for now I'll push the main ones to 125
Hopefully I don't get there too quickly...

[viscid swift]

it's 875k xp from 115 to 120 alone, you'll be fine

[atomic abyss]

I mean
I am doing this just to wrap up Seattle
I mean I hope I don't finish the CDC too quickly

[viscid swift]

ah

[sweet delta]

It's 2135k xp from 100 to 120 for nonnative rainbow

[atomic abyss]

at this point i might as well 120 portland

[sweet delta]

Or is it 2115k

[wind hazel]

2115

[sweet delta]

1935k for 105 bet

[viscid swift]

should be 1835k

[sweet delta]

[wind hazel]

meths, not once

[viscid swift]

this is what happens when you have no cogs

[sweet delta]

can't relate

[atomic abyss]

i mean my issue is coin shortage

[steady beacon]

Ngl, the thing that confused me about your name before was that you were probably a Cooper fan, but also claimed to be a Cleveland simp and I couldn't be sure which one took precedence

[atomic abyss]

i always get stuck at 115

[low juniper]

Were there samvaluations for the event muse ships cause I don' think I saw them

If there were, where are they?

[viscid swift]

in the datamine

[low juniper]

Oh wait I did see it, I just forgor 💀

What does AoA stand for

[atomic abyss]

all out assault

[cloud fractal]

Okay, so I evidently don’t understand how to use the lecture hall. How does one choose what ships are being lectured and how do I store enough proficiency to get the Start button to appear?

I understand that certain days on the week dictate what ships can be lectured, but I can’t seem to do anything with it outside of generating an exp pack here and there n

[steady beacon]

Ngl, I find this particularly instructive for those Type 95 Kais...

[mint flint]

basically a percentage of xp gained by ships over level 100 is turned into proficiency in the lecture hall, which is slowly turned into xp packs

[sweet delta]

Its only purpose is to generate exp packs, not to lecture certain ships

[cloud fractal]

Has that changed, because the google searches are showing actual “lectures” and pictures of the lecture hall with a start button and talking about lectures that go on for up to 12 hours after gaining a certain amount of proficiency?

[mint flint]

it no longer does that

[cloud fractal]

Okay so ultimately the only way to generate the exp needed for power leveling is a full fleet of 100+ farming worlds 9 and higher.

[steady beacon]

That changed like uh
God, a long time ago...

[mint flint]

basically just farm 12-1 or 12-4 to level ships

[sweet delta]

/wiki lecture

[odd root]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Lecture_Hall

[steady beacon]

I wanna say 2021? It probably has to be bc I never used the lecture hall before it changed

[atomic abyss]

around there ye

[cloud fractal]

Oh what the hell the “wiki” I’m on isn’t the official wiki. Dang it.

[steady beacon]

The interior of the lecture hall does remain the same though (i.e. you do see ships getting lectured), but it's no more than aesthetics nowadays

[cloud fractal]

Okay. Let’s see if this wiki link from @sweet delta tells me what the optimal level for the lecture hall is to generate exp reasonable quickly.

[steady beacon]

Just max it out, no?

[mint flint]

optimal level is just the highest you can get it...

[sweet delta]

❗

[mint flint]

theres no reason not to upgrade it unless you lack coins which isnt a huge problem

[steady beacon]

Reader, I always lack coins

Pretty much always except in the leadup to a big event
And then I lack coins as soon as it starts
But I'm objectively just bad at this game tbh

[cloud fractal]

Some games with resources like this have points where the resources put in don’t necessarily match or better the output so sometimes there’s a max level, but for efficiency’s sake you’d stop before then. But a lot is different about this game than others I’ve played.

[steady beacon]

Tbf, there are parts of this game where that concept of diminishing returns does indeed apply...

Although, at least in the area of resources, the general principle is indeed that more is better and better is good

[sweet delta]

Better is not good, better is more good

[cloud fractal]

This game is heavy on mats that go into optimizing resources, so it stands to reason there is a point of diminishing returns where you would prioritize which resource gets your mats.

[normal crane]

Which one is better for enty

[mint flint]

coins are pretty easy to get so dont worry too much about spending them

[atomic abyss]

usually, the hellcat
the bf-109g is only used for specific bosses

[steady beacon]

Not consistently, at the very least
We have tried to draw patterns in the past but it's like a coinflip in terms of actual results

[sweet delta]

it could mean nothing

[steady beacon]

I presume you're talking about stuff like electronics in the gear lab, which is fair enough, and definitely worth paying attention to

[iron gust]

Hey guys should I prioritise limit breaking Bismarck 2 or musashi first

[viscid swift]

at best it's been 50/50

[steady beacon]

The one thing the devs have consistently shown themselves averse to is consistency, so take that how you will

[viscid swift]

nope

[viscid swift]

at this point wait until after the CN Anni event to decide

[cloud fractal]

Yeah, to a certain extent. But I’m also experiencing the flip side of the level 70 pack which is too much has been opened at one time. So I dare say it’s harder to know what to prioritize, as the returns I’m getting from quests and events does not match the content that I have available to me. Which isn’t a problem, but an interesting puzzle to conquer.

[steady beacon]

I still opine that Level 70 pack is a bit dangerous tbh
In the sense that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing

[jaunty vault]

5 bucks saving you a month of grind

[steady beacon]

But either way, as long as you're learning as best you can as you go, I think that's a very good thing

[steady beacon]

Fair, I suppose, but I would not personally trade what I learned through painful experience in that first month for convenience
But maybe I'm weird

[sweet delta]

You're weird

[jaunty vault]

you can just learn it after buying the pack

[viscid swift]

I mean, you still have to learn everything, all the pack does is make things more convenient

[jaunty vault]

not saying i would buy the pack if i had to redo

cause im weird too 😔

[sullen creek]

Same

[low juniper]

When should it be expected for Guam and Laffii to rerun?

[steady beacon]

Nah, the organic experience is unparalleled
Some valuable lessons that made such an impact would simply not be as deep rooted in my consciousness otherwise

[steady beacon]

TLDR, a long time...

[low juniper]

What's with the reaction

[steady beacon]

Crystal ball is gph's mysterious way of saying "we don't know"
Because I guess the crystal ball can see into the future as well as we can or something

[keen sable]

we're banned from speculating and that's speculating

[viscid swift]

2 years plus after the original run of the event at this rate

[sullen creek]

I speculate the next UR will be good

[gusty olive]

what's better Flap Jack or Hellcat?

[eternal basalt]

2026

[atomic abyss]

Flapjacks by an entire magnitude

[keen sable]

the more expensive one

[steady beacon]

As always, my question is... which Hellcat?

[sullen creek]

HVAR 😱

[atomic abyss]

Almost certainly the f6f in this case

[atomic abyss]

The standard gold hellcat or the event hellcat?

[viscid swift]

I mean....

[atomic abyss]

Then it'd be Grumman

[gusty olive]

the normal one f6f

[atomic abyss]

See?

[tame fog]

So I just unlocked felix and got her to dev30

[steady beacon]

I mean, I'm pretty sure we all probably agreed with you on the regular Hellcat, but because jokes are banned, we are rather too fond of them

[tame fog]

How important are the cl guns on her?

Currently 10 away but I can get more at the protocore shop

[steady beacon]

Anyway, serious answer time
Biggest difference is the Hellcat has 2x500lb bombs, the Flapjack has 2x1000lb bombs
In this game, as a general rule, heavier bombs = bigger boom = generally better

[keen sable]

i would feel bad using a hellcat after buying a flapjack

[rapid grail]

her own guns are for CLs and its good on her because it's for her skill

Plygun is best

There's also a purple rarity CL gun that's fastest; cannuse that if you wanna spam her AOA

[sweet delta]

The rainbow CL gun is better

[vale apex]

when is next event

[rapid grail]

currently the latter one is meme iirc

[atomic abyss]

Not next week

[sweet delta]

You don't wanna spam her AOA

[tame fog]

I see

[steady beacon]

Single 150 AoA memes
My favourite

[rapid grail]

Soon™️

Within the next 2-3 weeks

[tame fog]

I guess I should save up protocores for one rainbow cl gun

[vale apex]

doi get fleet tech from little spee

[atomic abyss]

No

[vale apex]

smh useless ship

[rapid grail]

Little versions don't give tech

[sullen creek]

Can you even get better performance on her with AoA spam build on manual

[rapid grail]

she cute though, headpat daughteru

[vale apex]

shinano one was cuter

[sweet delta]

#al-general loves cuteness

[late flame]

oh damn i thought i stepped into algen

[warm flax]

nano chan bad without that secondary air strike?

[steady beacon]

If you mean worse than elder Shinano, then... yes

[warm flax]

I mean for a standard cv

with the likes of maybe taihou

[steady beacon]

I mean, there are quite a few CVs that don't have barrage airstrikes
Who we are comparing to is always pertinent
If you're thinking Taihou (I imagine with augment) in terms of sheer performance, then I at least instinctively would imagine Shinano-chan falls behind...

[atomic abyss]

I mean taihou's regular barrage is.... ridiculously strong

Even before the augment

[steady beacon]

True enough

[warm flax]

what about sara or enty? is there a big gap?

[viscid swift]

yes

[atomic abyss]

She's lacking the stats, the efficiencies and the skills to compete

[viscid swift]

Shinano is the upper end of your elite CVs, nothing more

[steady beacon]

Ofc, those are basically the upper echelons of SR CV after all

[late flame]

enty aug to proc 100% when

[warm flax]

when Brest gets a skin

[sullen creek]

She does

[echo dew]

Guys anyone know how to activate northcarolina new augment barrage? Its said in the the description any ship on the fleet that use long range AA, is that a specific equipment perhaps?

[atomic abyss]

Yes, the (bad and expensive) fuze AA guns from gear lab

[steady beacon]

Take your pick of the four Time Fuze AA guns in the Gear Lab

[atomic abyss]

Which is why it's not recommended for most intents and purposes

[late flame]

NorCal is already .. uh a shit tier, it would take more than an aug to fix her tbh

[warm flax]

is Roon muse superior than Eugen muse?

[atomic abyss]

I'd say yes...?

[echo dew]

Ohh ty for the info guys just

[south sequoia]

I wouldnt really directly compare them

Roon muse is more for bosses while eugen is more for mobs

[elfin hollow]

What do I buy