gameplay-help

[eager mulch]

can vang really not solo interception with her aux gun crit buff?

[obtuse knoll]

The admiral control table and black shell for my flagship

[eager mulch]

aux gun

[viscid swift]

Just post SS for all the ships in the mob fleet

[steady beacon]

Thanks for volunteering to test for us

[eager mulch]

mines on safe

[obtuse knoll]

i dont get it

[eager mulch]

post screenshots of all of your ship gear screens

[viscid swift]

I mean just take SS for the gear of your mob fleet ships and post them here

[obtuse knoll]

vanguards gear to FDG

[viscid swift]

yep that has issues

[obtuse knoll]

fuck tell me

[viscid swift]

gimme one sec

[atomic abyss]

the gold quint mags at +10...

[jaunty vault]

good thing theres not much stuff using torp plates

[viscid swift]

should be closer to that

[eager mulch]

oxytorp gaming

[steady beacon]

Def one thing I want to say...
I meme with oxytorps for a living, but don't bring them in campaign, and definitely not on Shimakaze 👀

[obtuse knoll]

damn pancakes

[atomic abyss]

shima has enough survivability issues as is

[viscid swift]

If you don't have them then use Hellcats

[eager mulch]

big issue is FdG aux gun

[atomic abyss]

the only frontliner that can conceivably carry oxy torp is like Unzen

[viscid swift]

155 Kai however is non negotiatiable

[obtuse knoll]

I have pancakes for shinano hakuryu in the boss fleet should I swap?

[viscid swift]

No

[eager mulch]

if this is true then how can I give my helena two oxytorps?

[atomic abyss]

oh helle-nah 💀

[steady beacon]

One day I'll bring a vanguard carrying 6 oxytorps between them for a meme
With the catch being that all of them will have no torpedo attacks whatsoever

[sullen creek]

Hi
I bring them in campaign and win

[atomic abyss]

so "What the fuck is a torpedoooooo"
with basically any non omaha/atlanta class CL or a CA

[steady beacon]

That's it

I presumed you meant "USS" there too btw

[atomic abyss]

i did indeed

[viscid swift]

just wait till we get Friesland

[atomic abyss]

basically them gun boats

[steady beacon]

Heh, reminds me of that Yan Lihua vid actually
About the one USS CA that does have torps...

[obtuse knoll]

which one is 155kai

[steady beacon]

The one that's carried by FDG in the fleet setup in here: #gameplay-help message
You can find it in the Gear Lab (IJN CL gun)

[cobalt rapids]

/wiki 155mm kai

[odd root]

No wiki pages found.

[atomic abyss]

/wiki triple 155mm

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_155mm_(3rd_Year_Type)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_155mm_(3rd_Year_Type)_Kai
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_152mm_(6"/47_Mk_16)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_152mm_(6"/47_Mk_17_DP_Prototype)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_152mm_(BL_6"_Mk_XXV_Prototype)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_150mm_(SK_C/25)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_152mm_(MK-5)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_152mm_(Mle_1930)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_150mm_(Type_5_Prototype)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Triple_152mm_(BL_6"_Mk_XXIII)

May 7, 2024, 5:50 PM

[atomic abyss]

the second one

[tropic tusk]

is there a point to get all 3 stars in war archrives?

[steady beacon]

Damn, that looks positively magnificent tbh
But no, because the rewards that would have been given for so doing in the original event are not carried to the War Archives

[eternal basalt]

Note the arrows there and on Unicorn

[jaunty vault]

yes, can ignore the hit enhancement node

[eternal basalt]

And 2 at the bottom too

[jaunty vault]

[round hare]

Just finished pr1 what should i go for? FdG or odin

[undone plover]

i hope u mean u finished a pr1 ship not that u had focus on PR1

[round hare]

Yeah, focus is on pr4

Can someone explain why FdG is good

[undone plover]

she is the only rainbow BB in shipyard. BBV doesnt count~

[cobalt rapids]

she does most of bb jobs better than most of her peers

[eager mulch]

good, readily available

there was a time where there wasnt 9 UR/DR BBs/BBV believe it or not

[viscid swift]

ah I remember those days....

[eager mulch]

many of which are still event limited

[steady beacon]

A full explanation would take an essay, but if I were to try and break it down by comparing her to SR and lower BBs that you probably have and which serve currently as your benchmarks for BBs (comparing her to her fellow URs is a very different story), I'd identify the following points:

1. She has an extremely high FP stat and a massive main gun efficiency --> she does exceptional damage
2. She has a barrage that triggers on getting damaged and on proximity, which means her interception capability feels more like that of two battleships, both coming from a single ship; her secondary gun also has uncommonly high efficiency, backed by her aforementioned high FP
3. She is extremely durable, with a high HP stat plus damage reduction on top (more reliable post-FS5 though)

[cobalt rapids]

ppl coining fdg are still in those times

[forest palm]

they keep making SSR BBs like Owari, FdG may fall off

[steady beacon]

Speculating about future ships is outside the scope of this piece

[jaunty vault]

here comes the fdg hater

[forest palm]

it's not even hate, power creep is just an inevitibility

[viscid swift]

she's had a run better than most at least

[jaunty vault]

would be fun to see warspite2.0

[vale spindle]

kai ni holy shit

[cobalt rapids]

as long as the optimal research approach is fdg rush shes not creeped

[ivory linden]

So I've been doing pr5 for two weeks now non-stop and still havent got 1 ply gun print. Is this normal?

[vale spindle]

yes

[eager mulch]

normal

[ivory linden]

Then I got lucky af with 2 tenrais in pr4

[vale spindle]

yes

Welcome to rng

[undone plover]

Just make sure u pick good research. Not much else u can do

[steady beacon]

As I always say... 'tis better to be lucky than good

[night pumice]

which pr ship should I try to build first?

[eager mulch]

fdg

[night pumice]

so should I just rack up ironblood tech points and build fdg asap?

[eager mulch]

yes

[vale spindle]

In the meantime make sure to start on someone else even if you dont finish

[ivory linden]

Mostly faces,grant donations and rigging

[vale spindle]

That's just how it goes sometimes yes

[ivory linden]

Can't afford to spend cubes

[vale spindle]

Ye that's normal

You doing the right things just gotta be patient

[night pumice]

are the cruise meta ships useful at all

or are the ones from opsi generally better (or is it that meta is just bad idk) cuz I know absolutely nothing about what's good outside of the recommended starter fleet

[steady beacon]

Note, incidentally, that if it's Ply gun prints you're going for, except for that extremely rare 30 min face researches, there is no research you'd do for them that would involve usage of cubes

[unborn owl]

any suggest ship to max cap 125?

[eager mulch]

rainbows, ships youre gonna use in W15

[unborn owl]

beside 15 of them

[jaunty vault]

better to just post your dock

[cobalt rapids]

cruise meta ships are pretty much tech
showdown metas are average gold but nothing special

[ivory linden]

So cubes only speed up ship blueprints, got it. I'm just planning to max all ships at pr5 I'm in no rush but damn I still havent got one lol. Thanks for the info everyone.

[unborn owl]

do i have to?

[viscid swift]

Haku is the only one worth 125, Kearsarge whe you max her

maybe the subs if you have "spare" arrays

[round hare]

thanks :)

[unborn owl]

what arrays?

[cobalt rapids]

cognitive

[unborn owl]

oh

[viscid swift]

the purple chips needed to uncap ships to 125

[eager mulch]

that haku loadout scares me

[steady beacon]

The issue to some degree with the cruise pass METAs is that they're all pretty average, at best, purples that are mostly outshone by ships that are permanently available, while being somewhat finicky to raise and costing 1 more oil than a normal purple ship of their hull type would cost, so to a large degree the problem is "why use them when there are other ships you can use, as good or better?" In saying that, one purple found a truly miraculous use, but this is not the place to discuss that...
Gold Showdown METAs are generally better, and some of the recent ones are actually pretty good, although the issue of their obtainment and same finicky raising method means that, once again, you have to ask yourself why you wouldn't use another ship that is on par or better over them; in saying that, for the very high-end content, there are some worth raising and worth using in certain cases

[jaunty vault]

bot

[undone plover]

Discount spearfish

[unborn owl]

i don't have tenzan & flap imo

[viscid swift]

the issue with showdown METAs is that by the time you get them to usable states they're usually sidegrades/downgrades to what you already have

[unborn owl]

how do i get more helldiver bp?

[cobalt rapids]

just open techboxes they are purp drops

[viscid swift]

just open more EU tech boxes

[unborn owl]

EU?

[viscid swift]

eagle union

[unborn owl]

oh, the us

[sullen creek]

[steady beacon]

Don't worry, I read that as European Union without fail every time and get confused also

[jaunty vault]

bet you read RN as royal navy too

[unborn owl]

i was thought the same imo

[viscid swift]

I refuse to say USS because that's the equivilent of saying United States Ship Tech Boxes which makes no sense

[steady beacon]

I basically admitted to that in ecgc tbh

[unborn owl]

50 boxes, and still no single of helldiver

[rich zinc]

should I upgrade this thing to UR gun?

[jaunty vault]

if you wanna

[steady beacon]

Alas, that is unfortunately how RNG goes sometimes...
I once had to open 100 purple boxes for a single He-50...

[eager mulch]

only reason to make that gun is to upgrade it

[rich zinc]

welp

[sullen creek]

I +13'd that gun

[eager mulch]

not the worst

i +13'd 2 fdg guns

[sullen creek]

: (

[steady beacon]

Same tbh

And 2 of those Mk4s, actually...

[sullen creek]

1 mk4 goes well on Soyuz

[jaunty vault]

[steady beacon]

At this point, I'm afraid I might have convinced cooper I'm a bot that has infiltrated huh

[sullen creek]

You are my mentat

[elfin hollow]

Yes.

The ultra rare gun is good against medium and heavy, armored enemies because it’s armor piercing don’t use it against light. Use HE against light armored enemies.

[eager mulch]

second message upon entering the server is answering an already answered question 20 minutes late

[forest palm]

[soft raft]

[silk sphinx]

now this is super late... but the mk4 is used in pvp

[eager mulch]

i dont do pvp

[silk sphinx]

helps reduce timing cucking, and fast too

[forest palm]

go ask #pvp

[silk sphinx]

i don't rly use the mk4 in pvp but yep that's somewhere you can use it

[glass quest]

Is Hakuryuu in general better than Shinano or vice versa?

[eager mulch]

depends on where and gear

and fleet comp

[silk sphinx]

you can't say better, but supposing they're synced in the same fleet, haku will prob deal more

[eager mulch]

i think it goes fs5 haku > nano > non fs5 haku

again, gear/comp/enemy dependent

[glass quest]

fair point, thanks

[silk sphinx]

also nano buffs sakura carriers

[glass quest]

oh so I wouldn‘t do much wrong by using both of them?

[steady beacon]

Ofc not, generally you want to use them together

[glass quest]

Oh, got it! Thanks

[silk sphinx]

i never really noticed nano dealing significantly more than haku pre-fs5

[eager mulch]

i dont recall ever saying it was a significant difference

[ocean fiber]

Quick question is eguen good for completing world 11 and 12?

[eager mulch]

eugen isnt good at all

[silk sphinx]

gold rarity (expensive to raise) and low personal dmg, no utility. you can find better

[pure geode]

you'd unlock ancho by then

[ocean fiber]

I don’t have ancho yet

[steady beacon]

The difference to Shinano is not vast, no, but if you compare to Shinano-boosted Hakuryuu, it was agonisingly noticeable
The one occasion that really hammered the point home for me was a run against Algerie META way back and finding that Haku solo somehow managed to lose to Enterprise (who only got 2/3 Lucky Es)

[eager mulch]

something something jimmy video

[ocean fiber]

I’m working on agiar but she isn’t there yet

[atomic abyss]

use portland retro over eugen then

[eager mulch]

i mean if eugen is already mlb then just use her

but shes not good and easily replaceable

[ocean fiber]

What dose mlb mean?

[viscid swift]

max limit break

[pure geode]

see that's understandable its why ancho is recommended as the next pr after fdg, you can coin them

[ocean fiber]

Yeah I max limited her

[steady beacon]

The other thing, which I feel is never given enough credit, is the long-term, over time DPS boost that Shinano provdes to everyone; sure, Haku has her own debuff, but it is of a much shorter duration and can be blocked by random junk on-screen if you are unlucky...
For these reasons, pre-FS5, it was reasonably clear that the total impact of solo Shinano was greater than that of the impact of solo Haku, hence why she was typically preferred if you were forced to run one of them solo (like QE META, for example)

[ocean fiber]

Is it also a good idea to use laffey 2 for world 11 and 12

[viscid swift]

if she's MLB yes

[silk sphinx]

hm? oh no I fully agree if you're picking one shinano was quite a bit better than haku

[viscid swift]

speaking of which, I need to start theory crafting a modern comp for QE META

[ocean fiber]

Um she isn’t limit break

[viscid swift]

then don't

[eager mulch]

im waiting for you to start shilling requisition for 100% collection

[silk sphinx]

why

[steady beacon]

[viscid swift]

I definitely will not

[eager mulch]

the good ending

[silk sphinx]

requisition ships are all in perma shops or medallable or other non-perma pool stuff

[viscid swift]

I literally say not to in it https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MRsKQN3s0lcIj0qWEg-F2Od7tAURxBMbupJtPfnn_RY/edit?usp=sharing

[silk sphinx]

there used to be requisition-only stuff, but that was changed a long while ago

get with the times

[eager mulch]

my fault original gangster, i am just a new player

[silk sphinx]

issok, it's what the channel is for, helping newbies

lemme link you to the starter guide

[ocean fiber]

So who should I replace with laffey 2 with then

[viscid swift]

depends on what you have

[jaunty vault]

youre not lixxy, what did you do to lixxy

[steady beacon]

So cooper is now convinced everyone's a bot

[ocean fiber]

Destroyers or cruisers etc

[eager mulch]

very specific

[viscid swift]

I reiterate, it depends on what you have

[eager mulch]

it be pretty hard to not have destroyers or cruisers

[ocean fiber]

I have Guam but isn’t limit break yet

[cobalt rapids]

create a thread and post ur dock

[viscid swift]

just post your dock in a thread

[ocean fiber]

Dock

[slate mountain]

What other ways can u increase the coin cap outside the guild research thingy, i need to hold 60k at once

[viscid swift]

why

[eager mulch]

you can just go over

[viscid swift]

if this is to unlock FDG the soft cap only stops you from collectting from the merchant

[eager mulch]

soft cap only prevents you from collecting from canteen

[soft raft]

the actual coin cap is 600k

[viscid swift]

the hard cap which stops you from cullecting period is 600k

[slate mountain]

Oooh

Same goes for oil?

[eager mulch]

yes, up to 25k

[slate mountain]

Aah okay thanks

[round hare]

So clearing camp will goes over cap?

[eager mulch]

yes

[red stirrup]

whats a good royal navy tank for 12-4? london?

[vale spindle]

drake or cheshire

[red stirrup]

trying to unlock drake

[eager mulch]

if youre doing royal navy vanguard xp in 12-4 then you dont need a tank

[vale spindle]

royal navy doesn't have tanks but if you are farming 12-4 safe you don't really need one

[red stirrup]

ah ok, so just run whatever

[gloomy mesa]

Where does she drop

[eternal moth]

/wiki nelson

[odd root]

Bridal Z23

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Nelson
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Nelson/Questline
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Nelson/Quotes
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Nelson/Gallery
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Nelson's_Pennant_of_Victory

May 7, 2024, 9:22 PM

[viscid swift]

95% sure they mean Shouhou....

[viscid swift]

she's in the guild shop, under rare ships

[soft raft]

[eternal moth]

For the littles being added to permapool, Lusty and Enty should be going to special, and Renown and Amagi should be going to heavy, right? They won't be going to light?

[viscid swift]

yes, the JP patch notes said as much

[eternal moth]

JP notes say next maint will be "holding an outpost event", is that a CtA?

[viscid swift]

what outpost event

[eternal moth]

The preliminary battle event

[viscid swift]

yeah that's call to arms

[vivid panther]

Is Laffey better/stronger than z23?

I think z23 is weak, so i'll change her to Laffey

[sweet delta]

They're the same so use whoever you've invested more in

[viscid swift]

assuming both are completely maxed yes but not by a significant margin

[tropic tusk]

wt is wrong with my nj?

[viscid swift]

if you think Z23 is weak switcing to Laffey will not help matters

[sweet delta]

But completely maxing starters

[cobalt rapids]

shes not shooting

[vivid panther]

Same?! Fr?

[sweet delta]

No cap

[vivid panther]

What to do then? Is there any better option

[viscid swift]

well it would help to have some context

[tropic tusk]

y is she not doing more dmg then voh

meta boss

[cobalt rapids]

.

[viscid swift]

what content are you tackling, what's your fleet, what options do you have, etc

[eager mulch]

immunity

[gloomy mesa]

Should I aim for w5 now that I finished w4 or try to get her in w2 but with only laffey and unicorn in the fleet?

[eager mulch]

main fleet too synced, youre hitting her immunity

[sweet delta]

Have you tried reading the boss skills

[viscid swift]

just get Shouhou from the guild shop, don't bother farming her from W2

[tropic tusk]

oh

[gloomy mesa]

Oh okay

[sweet delta]

Yeah put ectl guide in its place

[eager mulch]

ECTL bad

[undone plover]

why the w15 sample fleet uses crystal ball instead of beaver on brest? is the speed bad?

[viscid swift]

yes

[cobalt rapids]

spd bad

[undone plover]

what if no crystal? blue aux ?

[sweet delta]

Beaver

[cobalt rapids]

nah just use beaer

[tropic tusk]

how about this for 12-4 when i use nj ill die but fdg i wont die

[undone plover]

i guess if i manual speed would be better right?

[cobalt rapids]

20 lvls on fdg might play as role

[sweet delta]

Maybe speed is not bad after all

[forest palm]

using collab exclusive gear in a broad fleet recommendation is a touch weird

[sweet delta]

If you manual then we disown you

[undone plover]

gib crystal then

[sweet delta]

Beaver isn't bad

[tropic tusk]

a whole 20 lvl makes that much difference?

[sweet delta]

It probably just makes your front and mid take slightly more dmg but third vanguard take slightly less

[cobalt rapids]

yes

its the biggest difference excluding other factors

[undone plover]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Damage_Calculations#Level_Advantage

[tropic tusk]

[glass quest]

which gun is better for Musashi

[cobalt rapids]

gun depends on content

[eager mulch]

youre comparing an HE gun to an AP gun

[glass quest]

But is one better for general usage with Musashi?

[tropic tusk]

no idea wt that math is ill just take ur word

[eager mulch]

your fleet needs a real tank too

[tropic tusk]

me?

[eager mulch]

sub dev 30 hindenburg is just sad

[cobalt rapids]

ig left is used mroe so if that counts as general usage then left

[tropic tusk]

im just doing this for money while doing some leveling up

[eager mulch]

whats the point of hindenburg if no double CA gun

[viscid swift]

why used maxed ships for farming at all

if NJ isn't living then throw an AA radar or 2 on her

[undone plover]

for every 1 level difference u take 2% less damage and deal 2% more damage
so basically if your fdg is level 120 and enemy is level 105 she is doing 30% more damage

[tropic tusk]

wts aa radar

[tropic tusk]

this?

oh that ok

[undone plover]

are you running circle formation

[eager mulch]

is 12-4 even on safe?

[tropic tusk]

no im doing stright

should i change to circle?

[undone plover]

also stagger your your mob fleet backline. give them different guns and planes so they dont all shoot at the same time

[viscid swift]

straight is literally the worst one

you always either use Circular or Double Line

[tropic tusk]

been working fine for a while

[cobalt rapids]

straight ahead is the most niche formation

[viscid swift]

it's the same reason why offensive auxes on vanguards are niche

[undone plover]

for ch12 and 13 run circle. even if farming it helps bad ships survive better

[tropic tusk]

ok

[undone plover]

and stagger your backline. an unlucky BB shell landing in your backline will do a lot of dmg

give them radar/homing beacon/maintenance manjuu etc

[eager mulch]

again is 12-4 even on safe?

[tropic tusk]

so like this? for nj

[forest palm]

HPAA...just no

[viscid swift]

it's for farming in W12

[eager mulch]

is it on safe?

[forest palm]

world 12 should not be this difficult

[eager mulch]

if you need HPAA to farm 12-4 safe then somthing is definitely wrong

[cobalt rapids]

i think its safe ||to assume you wont get an answer||

[novel condor]

does yours not look like this?

[viscid swift]

hahahaha, wait till you try dragging 2 lvl 100 Monitors through W12

[tropic tusk]

yes wht about that

[eager mulch]

what level and limit break level is NJ

[forest palm]

I did at Lv 70, still no problem

[undone plover]

next Q is this green when u run it?

[tropic tusk]

105 mbl

no its red

[undone plover]

put more carriers in boss fleet

[eternal moth]

What's the number?

[eager mulch]

CVs in boss fleet and better vanguard gear

[tropic tusk]

55?

[undone plover]

click the red

[undone plover]

what is your boss fleet?

[eternal moth]

Yeah, you need at least one more CV

[tropic tusk]

[forest palm]

[novel condor]

wait wat

[viscid swift]

why are you not using a seccond fleet at all....

[tropic tusk]

it has 20% no die

[forest palm]

this just gets worse, and worse

[undone plover]

maximizing xp gain but also running uni

[novel condor]

[viscid swift]

auto search has an all enemies node for a reason....

[eternal moth]

You can one-fleet and still use cross-fleet abilities

[eager mulch]

id still rather just use a boss fleet than fight a boss with low level shitters on 0 ammo

[late flame]

smh muse offtank

[tropic tusk]

if i swap nj for fdg it wont die

[eager mulch]

thats not the point

[undone plover]

but the purpose is to farm with NJ. why waste xp on FdG when she is 125?

[viscid swift]

use a seccond fleet to get your recon value up and you'll most likely notice a huge difference

[tropic tusk]

so if i want to lvl up nj i should just put her in mob fleet?

[viscid swift]

even better if you don't force that fleet to fight the boss without ammo if it can't do it

[eternal moth]

I'm using a triple BB fleet in 12-4, and still have green ACV. You don't necessarily even need to use the second fleet, just having it there can make a difference

[undone plover]

just to summarize:
1- put boss fleet (with at least 1 CV - better 2 CV)
2- put circle formation
3- stagger backline
your fleet will stop dying, in fact you wont even need unicorn so u will get to level an extra ship in backline

[cobalt rapids]

you can lvl 2 fleets at the same time

boss fleets wont run out of morale before mob even with no regen

[south sequoia]

Boss only runs out if you're farming mega hard

[tropic tusk]

nj mob fdg boss is this ok?

[south sequoia]

Uni is overkill

[eager mulch]

unicorn is wasting a slot

[eternal moth]

/crossfleet

[odd root]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/images/equip_misc/Cross-fleet_Effects.jpeg

[south sequoia]

You already have NJ and ryuuhou there and even JDA

[tropic tusk]

how about this then

[south sequoia]

Thats fine

[cobalt rapids]

its fine but u dont need healers

[eternal moth]

At least not 2 of them

[eager mulch]

theyre good tech

perfectly fine

[cobalt rapids]

yea but just fyi

[tropic tusk]

im doing research

[viscid swift]

for who...

[tropic tusk]

needed sakura at main

[viscid swift]

then drop NJ entirely and run a 3rd sakura empire main fleet

[tropic tusk]

thats all i have

[undone plover]

check this later @tropic tusk
if u dont know who is useful to level. pick sth that gives BB or CV ACC or RLD
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Fleet_Technology#Level_120_stat_bonuses

for example shouhou and ryuuhou give good tech so they are good choices

[cobalt rapids]

tbf i would keep nj coz lvling mlb nj higher prio than finishing izumo

[viscid swift]

pick Amagi, Kaga, or Tosa and start limit breaking them and getting them leveled

[tropic tusk]

im doing izumo cause im still a long way from 950 tech for the 950 research one

[tropic tusk]

whos better

[viscid swift]

doesn't matter, they're all mediocre and just tech at the end of the day

[tropic tusk]

im just scared they will die

[cobalt rapids]

just equip em properly

[viscid swift]

yes, 12-4 is not a very high bar when it comes to clearing on safe

[cobalt rapids]

w12 is entirely possible to be run with entire fleet of shitty ships healerless on safe as long as u gear apropiately and lvled enough to survive

[tropic tusk]

does akagi U counts as akagi?

[viscid swift]

yes

[cobalt rapids]

she does but akagi u gives no tech

[viscid swift]

but Akagi muse gives no tech

[soft raft]

and that doesnt make the Akaga strat much more viable

[undone plover]

u could also put NJ in boss fleet and take out FdG
will give some crossfleet for mob and help level NJ

[tropic tusk]

wts crossfleet

[cobalt rapids]

these

[undone plover]

gacha UR ships have a skill that does sth for the other fleet (the fleet they are not in)

[tropic tusk]

so tosa is the better option for me?

amagi?

[cobalt rapids]

tosas crossfleet doesnt change this

[rapid grail]

where soyuz...

[forest palm]

she's there

unless you're allergic to reading

[undone plover]

u dont have hiryuu or souryuu?

[tropic tusk]

is musashi in the pull?

[novel condor]

nope

[tropic tusk]

yes i have them

[viscid swift]

what, if you mean build pool no

[viscid swift]

they also work as options for the 3rd IJN main fleet

[undone plover]

then use one of them. they are better tech and cost 0 gold bulins

[cobalt rapids]

then better raise em, 0 bulins cost and +4 relevant cv tech

[tropic tusk]

swap nj and shouhou for those?

[viscid swift]

Shouhou can stay, I would purely because having 2 healers used in one mob fleet is a bit of a wasted oppurtunity in future

[undone plover]

if u have these use it on them. one for each CV

[tropic tusk]

y shouhou> ryuuhou?

could i put nj in boss fleet then

[viscid swift]

no, what I'm saying is you don't need to sortie both hiryuu and souryuu together just to level them in 12-4

[tropic tusk]

so u mean i can do like this?

[viscid swift]

yes

[undone plover]

put this on NJ since the bosses are medium armor

[viscid swift]

not particularly

[cobalt rapids]

replaces penny in starter then

[undone plover]

if u have hood from medal options better to invest in her imo

[tropic tusk]

cause different mode different tier list

[viscid swift]

Congrats, such a tier list doesn't really exist

There's many reasons but the main thing is that everything is contextual in AL

[undone plover]

rainbow spam

[eager mulch]

rainbow spam

[tropic tusk]

wts rainbow spam as in all ur?

[viscid swift]

For instance in the early game of AL investment opportunity cost are as big as factors as how the ship is in combat

[eager mulch]

new jersey is dogshit for a 4 day player

[tropic tusk]

pls dont die

[eager mulch]

gear issue

[tropic tusk]

i have no gea tbf

os isnt droping me stuff to craft

[viscid swift]

Through your best gear on them and try again if it fails

[tropic tusk]

this is thebest

[undone plover]

did u have these? or do u have extra coredata to get them?

[sharp token]

fast way to get pr xp?

[tropic tusk]

i got 1 of the left not the cheicken tho

[eager mulch]

running 3 ships that will get the xp you need in 12-4

[viscid swift]

Grind W12+ with 3 ships that meet the xp requirements

[tropic tusk]

oh wait they no die

i keep forcing my way into 12-4 with alot of bs

[viscid swift]

That is what W12 farming entails

[sharp token]

where in w12 to farm xp?

[eager mulch]

12-4 usually

[viscid swift]

12-1 or 12-4

[sharp token]

i cant do 12-4 yet so i'll go 12-1

[drowsy marsh]

Anyway i can skip the event minigame?

[viscid swift]

Nope

[drowsy marsh]

😦

[viscid swift]

Not if you want the aux anyway

[inland shoal]

Sure, if you don't care about the µ ticket

[tropic tusk]

isnt that the music game?

[fresh cape]

Good morning/afternoon people !
I started AL a week ago, but I feel like there's a lot of things I still don't know

Do you have tips I should know as a new player ? I am a bit lost on how to build a good team

I play actively everyday, I really love the game so far

[viscid swift]

Yes https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[fresh cape]

Oh, alright !
Thank you !

[rapid grail]

where i can't still see it...

[digital flower]

Should I go normal or hard mode In war archives?

[eager mulch]

Hard if you can do it

[keen sable]

never normal

[eager mulch]

just like me

[rapid grail]

fr fr

[warm flax]

Who should I 125 next?

[eager mulch]

[lost trout]

is the event ending today or tomorrow?

[eager mulch]

still got at least 24 hours

[lost trout]

thank you

[eager mulch]

Little over 33 hours if my math is correct

[lost trout]

gonna turn off the combat logs to get more clears, actually wait

[soft raft]

32 hours yeah

[viscid swift]

Why just vanguards, also how many arrays do you have

[lost trout]

do combat logs double the number of 'clears' or no?

[eager mulch]

my math isn’t correct

[tropic tusk]

how come when i buy its +0

[lost trout]

everyone is too happy

[tropic tusk]

while everything outside is +4

[viscid swift]

Diminishing returns

[tropic tusk]

wt does that mean

[undone plover]

sort by happiness. but basically there is a limited number of furninture per type that counts for dorm

[south sequoia]

dorminishing returns

[warm flax]

Oh you wanna see the backline?

[tropic tusk]

so even if i buy more furniture my happy wont go higher?

[viscid swift]

Yeah, main fleets that are gonna be used for bossing are first priority usually

[south sequoia]

Smaller gains the more you invest into something

[fresh cape]

I am proud that I pulled the event's character, and now I use them to try to push the campain

( I hope my teams are not too bad! )

[tropic tusk]

so i can just keep buying and it will go up?

[eager mulch]

pretty bad

[vale spindle]

Do /guide in #bot-spam

[warm flax]

Well I just feel like my vang barely survives boss fights cuz underleveled

[soft raft]

they are pretty bad to put it lightly
I only see 2 worthwhile ships there and they're Unicorn and Jav

[undone plover]

basically if u have 34 pieces of furniture already +4 u need to get a +5 piece to get +1 comfort (at least how i understand it)

[south sequoia]

I'm gonna be blunt
None of them are worth using for you right now aside eugen muse
But eugen muse should only be used later on when you're stable enough for 2 fleets

Also please don't use submarines right now

[fresh cape]

Oooh, ok
Thanks !

[tropic tusk]

i dont get it how can i make it higher?

[viscid swift]

125 shinano next

[soft raft]

You should give this a read as well
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

[viscid swift]

Or wait for the CN Anni

[viscid swift]

I will also be blunt and say throwing cubes at this event was a mistake

[undone plover]

basically per category sort by comfort and buy the highest level (DONT SPEND GEMS)

if it still gives +0 it means u are maxxed out on current options and need to wait for future events or reruns to get even higher comfort pieces

[eager mulch]

rip I made a mistake

[viscid swift]

According to my 100% guide you were probably fine to pull

[tropic tusk]

oh ok so even if buying gems stuff it wont go up

[eager mulch]

it probably will go up but is not worth spending gems for

[tropic tusk]

ohh ok

[south sequoia]

Some gem furnis actually do still raise happiness but it's only if you're rich rich and willing to spend gems for dorm minmaxing

[night pumice]

how does ship position in a fleet affect like damage taken and whatnot

[undone plover]

even if it goes up it will be a very minor amount. and the xp gain is even smaller

[night pumice]

cuz whatever ship I have in the middle is eating up a brunt of the damage for some reason

[south sequoia]

Leftmost takes most damage
Rightmost takes 2nd most
Middle takes the least due to being protected

[undone plover]

comfort is for xp and xp is worthless eventually. even more so dorm xp

[mint flint]

the leftmost is at the front of movement while the rightmost is at the back

[eager mulch]

To put how little there is to gain left, I have about 100 more comfort than you, but there’s only a 4% total exp bonus difference between us

[night pumice]

ah okay then

[soft raft]

If the flagship dies, the fleet goes down with them
and in terms of vanguard, left takes the most damage, rightmost takes the 2nd most, and middle (usually) takes the least amount

Some battleships have barrages that are centered around them so they need flag position for maxinum coverage

[tropic tusk]

then i cant really rush things

[eager mulch]

more like, it’s not worth thinking about

the difference isn’t even noticeable

[night pumice]

oh uh are there any common rarity ships worth using

[undone plover]

grinding xp is much better than dorm xp. try and be efficient in your farming. that is the most "rushing" u can do

[viscid swift]

Nope

[soft raft]

outside of extremely budget options? no

[undone plover]

and rushing xp will be worthless when u eventually run out of cog chips

[night pumice]

good to know, that means I can keep feeding them into enhancement then

[eager mulch]

You’ll raise some for tech eventually

[digital flower]

Should I grind a kawakaze or a yuudachi?
Kawakaze torp dmg is great but I dont run IJN DD

[viscid swift]

Depends

I also don't see how being an IJN DD has to do with anything

[night pumice]

so uh how long can I get away running a starter fleet for? like will I be able to use the same layout for a fairly long while, or do I need to start doing like faction fleets in midgame or something

[viscid swift]

You should never run faction fleets if you want to run good fleets

[soft raft]

faction fleets are a meme for a reason

[digital flower]

She increases Japanese DD dmg to cruisers by 15% and overall buffs them, so 2 skills would be useless without japanese DD

[viscid swift]

The starter fleet will take you to around w9 around which you should look into a second flewt

[soft raft]

have you considered the fact that Kawakaze herself is a Japanese DD

[night pumice]

ah, w9. should I be trying to unlock hardmode chapter-by-chapter as I play

[viscid swift]

No, I don't know if that's either Yuddachi or Kawakaz3 but either way neither needs to make use of that skill to be good

[night pumice]

ie clearing w7, then unlocking hardmode before moving on to w8

[viscid swift]

And said skills would be buffing the ship they're on anyway

[digital flower]

Tuff choice ig

[undone plover]

can i get away with running a tigercat instead of a flapjack in 15?

[viscid swift]

Probably

[viscid swift]

Well you could go for both or neither

Yuddachi needs her retro item which costs specialized cores and Kawakaze well there are better options than her period

[digital flower]

Im going to use only 1 of them, the other 2 ships I use are laffey II and Guam so im basically filling a position

[viscid swift]

Are your Guam and Laffey 2 max limit broken?

[digital flower]

Not rn but with the bulins I get till the month ends they will

[viscid swift]

Yeah hold off on that with the CN Anni coming up

Ok let me ask you this, where are you in the main campaign and what do you have to work with

[digital flower]

Im like chapter 7 (never did the whole grind process)

It aint much, but its honest work

[viscid swift]

Fubuki, Patricia, Unicorn, Guam, Janus, Heinrich

Stick to that one fleet for now

[digital flower]

Aight
Ty for the help

[undone plover]

is this the correct aa plane for 15 support fleet? https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_190_A-5_(Carrier-based_Prototype)

[eager mulch]

yes

[viscid swift]

Also as a note, higher rarity does not automatically mean better for anything in AL

[digital flower]

Ive been living mainly on tierlists tbh

[viscid swift]

Yeah don't, especially when you're still early game

[true terrace]

Are the new muse ships worth using/ investing in as a newer player?

[eager mulch]

No

[novel condor]

nope

[true terrace]

Heck, okay

[main latch]

if sortie 4 times in war archive will it use 4 keys ?

[normal crane]

Is kawakaze better than z23?

[fluid brook]

Yes if with Aug

[elfin hollow]

I spent a boatload of time building Laffey retrofit only for Laffy two to come out, and I wasn’t playing. so now I’ve got a crappy ship that has a better version that I can no longer obtain.

Problem with Azur Lane that they don’t rerun events often so if you’re not playing during the event, you’re pretty much screwed over.

[novel condor]

wdym, they rerun events quite often, Laffey 2 was just like a few months ago, ofc they aint rerunning her that fast

[forest palm]

this is not the place to vlog, or vent, take it to #al-general unless you have a actual question

[astral turret]

In 14, should I be using the lighthouse and flares for my mob fleet? Or save for boss fleet

[forest palm]

take the Lighthouse, ignore Flares

[novel condor]

what does the flares usually do again?

[forest palm]

be counterproductive

[novel condor]

aight noted

[solar snow]

Is Noshiros Idol Variant better then her Normal one? I'm basically asking if she's worth trying to pull for?

[forest palm]

you're honestly better off saving for the next major event

[solar snow]

I thought so. But compared between the two who's better?

[novel condor]

ehhh Noshiro in my opinon

[eager mulch]

They do different things

[solar snow]

Yeah... that rerun isn't gonna be for another 2 years.

[elfin hollow]

I’m waiting for them to rerun the Violet Tempest Blooming Lycoris event. The event that Musashi was featured in. Currently according to my calculations, it has been 1 y 7m 3w and 4d since the initial run.

[forest palm]

#al-general

[solar snow]

But like Taz said we can talk about this in general or dms this isn't the place for this

[elfin hollow]

Ok.

[steady beacon]

Depends on what you're going for
Noshi base carries generally weaker buffs in exchange for more consistent tanking ability
Noshi muse, on the other hand, carries a positively massive torpedo debuff that works on a consistent timed cycle, but is noticeably squishier as compensation
So whichever one you find more valuable in a given situation will determine which is "better" in that situation

[viscid swift]

Noshiro is more of a mob tank who has some torp buffs on the side whereas her muse variant leans fully into the torp buffer role at the cost of being squishier

[solar snow]

Ah

So Regular Noshiro is better for what I need then

[viscid swift]

as noted though both are not particularly great

Regular Noshiro isn't tanky enough for content where you need tank and her buffs don't really help claw back her viability and being a torp buffer never really works out due the inconsitency of said comps and buffing main fleet damage being more valuable

like the one time in the past few years torp memes has been relevant is during this meta fight and that's because main fleet damage is increibly scuffed thanks to the fight mechanics

[fresh tangle]

Can someone share the shop priority thing please I can’t find it.

[eager mulch]

which shop

theres literally like 10 different shops

[fresh tangle]

All of them 😂 I’m sure I saw a document with tabs for each shop

[forest palm]

[novel condor]

[undone plover]

https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/shop_priority

[runic bolt]

what's the best way to farm coins?

[atomic abyss]

Farm 12-4 or 13-4

12-4 for best oil:exp ratio + good amount of coins
13-4 for pure best oil: coins ratio

With the caveat 12-4 is much more conducive for farming

[runic bolt]

thanks

[night pumice]

I'm starting to run out of dock space - which of these ships should I retire so I can free up space while keeping enough to run four commissions

[atomic abyss]

It's easier to say which ones to keep tbh...

[soft raft]

You have 50 free dock space, that's pretty decent enough

[atomic abyss]

If for some reason you want to get rid of stuff
The only real "must keep" in that list is Juneau, and then maybe Kagerou and Phoenix too

[steady beacon]

What I would give for 50 free dock space

[atomic abyss]

Though
I guess there is some collection rewards to be had?

[steady beacon]

Ye, there are a couple
The Counties, Pearl's Tears, C-class, Aviation Pioneers, Naval Treaty, and probably a few others I have since forgotten

[thorny grove]

i've seen world 15 fleet guides with laffey 2 so i'm a little worried about whether i really need it if i'm going that far because i also don't have it (oof)

[steady beacon]

You can survive without her, as we did in the ~2 months before she existed
But she does, unquestionably, make it easier

[atomic abyss]

You don't need her
But you will then need alternatives ofc
To replace her tankiness and her as carry

[viscid swift]

you can clear W15 without Laffey 2 just fine

[soft raft]

there's other workaround but it completely depends on your dock for any specifics on alternatives

[viscid swift]

bearing in mind she wasn't even a thing for the first 2 months W15 was out

[thorny grove]

i don't think the situation is that horrible; i'll just have to get assistance on crafting my own solution for later

[steady beacon]

It never is, really
The great thing about this game is that there are many ways to skin the cat (phrase I'm not allowed to use) to solve problems

[sullen creek]

Nah man you're only allowed to use 1 fleet that everyone agrees on

Otherwise we hate you

[thorny grove]

Oh noes

I'll make a thread to sort out things when I'm not busy though. Working on pushing to world 13 right now

[willow crag]

why is it saying no more visible targets- I purchased the 5000 oil thing whats wrong

[plain saffron]

Did you set it to all corrosion level

[last pier]

i just mlb nj

uvh laffey2 or kron next?

[plain saffron]

Save and see next UR first

[last pier]

ok

[worldly pewter]

u might have chosen the wrong tab ?

[hexed glen]

You need to go into your storage and use the item.

[willow crag]

I have already used it

I was doing strategic search a while ago, and then it stopped for some reason

[atomic abyss]

what settings did you use on strategic

[hexed glen]

You bought the 5000 oil item, used it, but not all of the zones are cleared?

[worldly pewter]

i like how people want to get help while providing close to nothing information

[willow crag]

all zones

[atomic abyss]

isn't it cos you're capped on AP or whatever it's called?

[hexed glen]

Did you make it so that it doesn't stop for Siren constructs/loggers and Akashi?

[steady beacon]

Can you screenshot the strategic search settings, by any chance?

[willow crag]

no I just refilled with 200 AP

[willow crag]

uh no not right now, Im in battle

[worldly pewter]

most likely this TBH #gameplay-help message

[steady beacon]

Well, the issue is
There are more than enough uncleared zones of all levels, based on that first screenshot, that it really shouldn't matter what level you set it to... there should exist some zone of every level (except maybe 1, which cannot be singularly chosen) that could be entered...

[willow crag]

heres the settings

[plain saffron]

When in doubt, restart game

[willow crag]

tps me to NA Ocean W Sector C just to say

[plain saffron]

Ouh the puzzle

[worldly pewter]

oh

u need to exit the area

[plain saffron]

Yesh if you have unfinished puzzle it will fuck the strat search

[willow crag]

do I have to go in there

[steady beacon]

Damn, that is something I haven't seen in ages 👀

[plain saffron]

You need to clear all of it

Or it will keep going into it then stuck

[willow crag]

guess Ill tp...

[echo axle]

Guys, I have 28k specialized cores, should I mlb Zwei to get my points in order to develop Agir

[worldly pewter]

is that a part of the main quest or something ?

[plain saffron]

Just do the puzzle

[south sequoia]

Zwei is a very worth MLB

[plain saffron]

It's more like a side missions but one time yeah

[viscid swift]

you probably should MLB her but because she's good and not too soley get tech points for agir

[south sequoia]

Arguably the best BB in the game

[viscid swift]

let us not go down that rabbit hole....

[echo axle]

Me will get for tech points and also cuz I wanna clear Opsi

[viscid swift]

actually though....

[willow crag]

can someone help me reach the top right

[steady beacon]

After some time, TB will help you
Ngl, I'd try the puzzle, but without the full screen and my failed memory of each gimmick, I probably will do more harm than good

[plain saffron]

At least send full pics

[echo axle]

I have done it guys, now how do I farm specialized cores again

[atomic abyss]

quite literally, play the game

[viscid swift]

playing the game, literally

also buy 1k from the medal shop each month

[echo axle]

Nuh uh, like I mean, a faster way to farm it

[rain vine]

hard to help when you cant see half the map

[atomic abyss]

there is no faster way lul

other than yeah getting the 1k

[eternal moth]

Doing your dailies and weeklies, running campaign stages

[viscid swift]

there really isn't a way or a point to farm it faster because you'll still be capped at 5k each month and be done well before the end of the month if you're active

[echo axle]

RAHHHHH

Ok thank you guys for the advice, now me shall go to flex channel

[south sequoia]

Farm faster..?

[echo axle]

That makes cents

[willow crag]

found it

[steady beacon]

The solution to a slow farm is always to farm faster

[echo axle]

Guys in the Research Academy, the catch up thingy, why can't I focus research on Agir, my catch up seems complete and I have no more than 288 Agir tickets

[viscid swift]

you only get 150 for each DR

[atomic abyss]

you're limited to gettting up to 150 BPs for each DR with catch up

[echo axle]

so the other tickets is just grind

[viscid swift]

yes of course

[echo axle]

Jesus

[frank pulsar]

its already fast

[viscid swift]

shouldn't take more than 6 months max to max a season from scratch

without the aide of catchups or coining that is

[plain saffron]

Back in my day

[atomic abyss]

More like back in my day smh

[viscid swift]

oh yes, youngsters don't know how easy research is these days

[steady beacon]

I just thought of like six different plausible endings to that sentence, every single one positively hilarious

[atomic abyss]

Back in my day there wasn't such thing as PR focus...

And you could only grind Roon with IB cruisers... Out of which all of them were nigh horrendous

Like seriously
Your best options were like
Eugen Leip and Hipper

[silver lintel]

What u not using kkk sister? Theres no oil cap back then brah

[sweet delta]

back in my day gph was moderated

[viscid swift]

honestley in a modern context doesn't sound that bad tbh

[south sequoia]

It wasn't lol

[atomic abyss]

I mean, I do actually want some level of dps

Tho a lot of people did go triple K class
Smarter move would be 2K+Leip tho

[south sequoia]

Anyways ender, das enough back in my day talk from you old man

[atomic abyss]

If anything it was less moderated

I mean, how does one even hit the ship requirement to unlock Roon in today's age?

Get lucky with build?

[south sequoia]

Divergent chessboard

[atomic abyss]

Exactly

Previously your only option was
Z23, Z1 (good luck), Eugen, Koln, Konig, Karls and from their collection Leipzig

Which is a valid option for new players too
But it's probably easier to get one of the blue or white Zs from DC then Z1....

[viscid swift]

did Deutschland and Graf Spee not count?

[atomic abyss]

They did, but they were limited lol

As were GZ, Derpitz and Biscuit

So if you happened to be for those events, good for you
Otherwise shit out of luck
And this was a time when Roon was arguably the best tank outside Eugen...

[steady beacon]

So basically, either luck upon an IB event
Or glhf

[viscid swift]

oh how times have changed

[atomic abyss]

There's a reason the port kai adage has stayed true after all

And this was before the beginner missions were ever a thing

[south sequoia]

What is noshiro muses power compared to og noshiro?

Is she stronger?

[viscid swift]

different role

[steady beacon]

Very noticeably so

[atomic abyss]

She is even more in on the torp memes

[viscid swift]

Noshiro muse is a dedicated torp buffer losing the ehp of OG Noshiro in exchange basically

[atomic abyss]

And that arguably gives her the slight edge over regular nosh for most intents and purposes
Besides yes chonking

[south sequoia]

In terms of damage is she stronger?

[steady beacon]

Yes

[atomic abyss]

Self damage and buffing wise yes

There's an argument to be made that she is just straight up better than Nosh on the whole

I'm personally a bit hesitant to make such a claim, but I think it's valid

[steady beacon]

It's a bit hard to get a completely objective grasp on it, but
Using RodM as my measuring stick
Noshi Muse (on both auto and manual) can pull off... between 1.5x and 2x what I was able to pull with Noshi base on manual

[viscid swift]

yeah, if you're gonna go torp memes you may as well go all out anyway

[worldly pewter]

should i use the pilica card for the rodM fight

[steady beacon]

Ofc if you auto, just note, as always, you are playing an RNG game
But if you scale Noshi base down in the same vein, I'd be comfortable in claiming that 2x figure in all cases
40% InjureRatioByBulletTorpedo, timed on a standard torpedo cycle, is one hell of a drug

[steady beacon]

The what now?

[worldly pewter]

i mean if u can make anything work

[steady beacon]

Well, I still can't seem to make Yorktown work
Maybe I'm still not trying hard enough, though

[worldly pewter]

i only did the fight like 10 times now when it first launched

after finding it hopeless i just stopped

[sullen creek]

Manual play fixes everything

[undone plover]

Just desync your backline. Should give you enough dmg for 3x shot. There is supporting barrage also now

[steady beacon]

Ngl, even if it's hopeless, I would recommend at least putting your own ones up so people can do them
And at least trying your assists because there are nice rewards for the point milestones
I mean, heck, when I was starting out I could barely crack 300k against Souryuu META, but just kept going and managed to get ~50k points in the end

[worldly pewter]

i remember when i first started the game there was this tutorial that made me aim with a bb

[worldly pewter]

i m doing 190k to rodm

[echo axle]

Is this good gear for Zwei (I used the AL community Teir List as guide) And do I have to make changes?

[soft raft]

What is the SG Radar doing there

[steady beacon]

Yeah, that's normal...
She is... a lot harder than Souryuu META could ever hope to be lol

But whatever you can do, for whatever assist points you can gain, is better than getting zero for doing nothing

[echo axle]

I do not know, I used the AL community guide

[soft raft]

You dont have this thing?

[echo axle]

I do

I just thought I slapped on some golden gears

[soft raft]

SG radar may give HIT Stat but you shouldnt be using more than one in general

[worldly pewter]

i found it a hassle and pain
everytime i have to pub it
there were times that i needed to do it 5 or more times for it to other join to finish

[soft raft]

Higher rarity does not always mean good

[undone plover]

@worldly pewter have you tried running triple CV + desync them to not trigger her skill? 190k sounds a bit low

[soft raft]

Otherwise, that setup is decent enough for poverty options

[viscid swift]

This is the most basic cookie cutter BB build, ignore the aug

[worldly pewter]

i was using the 3bb fleet

[steady beacon]

That explains a lot

[worldly pewter]

i don't think i desynced them either

[undone plover]

Just put any 3 CV it will be better

[echo axle]

Lmao, perhaps, cuZ I'm broke on both gear and sutffs

[steady beacon]

Ngl, if you can manual three CV with the ones you have, you can probably at least double tbh
Manual also saves you having to desync them for auto, which can be tough if you don't have all the planes/equipment/tech to pull it off

All you need to be able to do is count to two

[echo axle]

Is the Auxiliary researched? Or crafted?

[viscid swift]

they're both in the core data shop

[undone plover]

It is also not a very tough fight for vanguard. So u can get creative with what u have

[sullen creek]

There aren't many META fights with high vanguard pressure to begin with

[echo axle]

For the Anti-Air, can it be Quad 40mm Bofors instead?

[steady beacon]

Mhm
Manual torp memes, if you're feeling confident enough, can easily match or exceed your backline's output

[viscid swift]

as a transitional option yes

[vast sparrow]

Good BB?

[steady beacon]

As can auto torp memes, if you're lucky enough

[soft raft]

Dogshit

[echo axle]

Hmmm, then should be good enough to grind through Campaign for now and for farming gold

[sullen creek]

Has some plays in a few comps but not great for the most part

[vast sparrow]

Nice putting on my troll fleet

[soft raft]

I have never seen that reccomended anywhere so big on that

[viscid swift]

what comps, there are none at least current ones that use it

[sullen creek]

Mostly pvp

[vast sparrow]

No need to change for W10 above?

Boss Fleet: NJ, Soyuz, Shinano, Laffey, Heinrich, Sandy

Mob Fleet: Bismarck, Alabama, Helena, Triomphant, Roon

[viscid swift]

am I blind or do I not see half the ships in the SS.....

[torn raft]

how do i sync shinano to henela?

[steady beacon]

Changes are possible, and potentially advisable tbh...
Although you may be able to sledgehammer through by sheer level advantage... maybe...

[sweet delta]

Seems like you have 4 troll fleets

[vast sparrow]

Lets just say all of them

[steady beacon]

Uhhhh... as a general principle? You want to choose a plane/equipment combination that gets her to launch as close to the 20s mark as possible

[sweet delta]

More CV rld tech , more CV rld cats, or faster planes

[viscid swift]

either way a lot of this just seems like a disaster waiting to happen

[vast sparrow]

Fully cleared 10-1 with those fleets and it was smooth sailing

[mighty forum]

Is there a way to recover a ship’s mood instantly?

[rain vine]

nope

[torn raft]

can u list some cv rld cats?

[viscid swift]

well I can't even see 1/4 of ships from your SS
either way doesn't change the fact the fleets have issues and you will get walled just continuing like that

[steady beacon]

Uh... CV RLD is generally taken from talents (although a few cats have CV RLD skills as well)
Ace Pilot, Chief of Staff Carriers, and Loading Ace Carriers
As for the CV cats, the usual options are like... Bishamaru, Jiromaru, Eagle, and... probably one or two more I'm currently forgetting

[mighty forum]

Why are the mood of my ships at 119 when I haven't used them in a month?

[atomic abyss]

Cos they only get to 120 and above in dorm?

[viscid swift]

because that's the cap without the dorm

[mighty forum]

Ah, so to cure further, I need to put them in a dorm? Noted, thanks
what an annoying mechanics

[atomic abyss]

Would you prefer shitty energy mechanics instead?

If your morale is low on your main ships, then that's the time to do opsi

[true spruce]

why is Helena in mob?

[vast sparrow]

I forgot it was Chapy

[warm flax]

Level 90 maybe

[true spruce]

oh that makes more sense

[vast sparrow]

i was lvling up her in mob fleet before

[warm flax]

But yeah put her on boss when pushing campaign

[vast sparrow]

Sandy too? or save it to W12

[viscid swift]

that would be the least of my concerns

just start a thread and post your dock at this point, there's a lot of issues to be adressed

[worldly pewter]

very expected from a memer tbh

[low juniper]

Hello again

My friend responded with his current owned ships, what team can he make for the event stages?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732027402275782656/1237624274152460308/Screenshot_20240508-123644.jpg?ex=663c52ec&is=663b016c&hm=3633e81393b7b17d8c6654cafb222bc41ca3be4d2a90f459e6fc0cbbe5e8c256&

[viscid swift]

the usual starter fleet with Yorktown as the 6th ship

[low juniper]

And what is the usual starter fleet

[viscid swift]

just send him that https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips

~~lamo I just realized Sam used one of my SSs ~~

[mighty forum]

What’s opsi?

[atomic abyss]

Operation siren

It's a gameplay mode you'll end up needing to do to get meta ships and materials for gear lab, which is used to make some of the best gear in the game

Notably, it does not consume morale
But at the same time, it does not give much exp

[sinful elk]

Is this good gears for Volga?

[wind hazel]

if those are the best gear you can give her, it's good enough

[steady beacon]

Sure, it's fine enough

[sullen creek]

Seems legit

[steady beacon]

Just really bring that catapult to +10 if you can

[sinful elk]

Trying though, but whats your thoughts on Theseus? Is she good or just nah

[sullen creek]

Theseus is pretty good damage

[steady beacon]

She's fine enough, but her rarity forces her to compete for Bulins that might be better served on other ships more obviously useful than her, since her fundamental role is "damage-dealing carrier" and it's not like that role doesn't have many other potential contenders
If, on the other hand, you are not strapped for resources, she's perfectly fine to use

[sinful elk]

I think i am strapped for resources

[steady beacon]

The woes of early game players

As Ender always says, when in that situation, you unfortunately have to pay close attention to opportunity costs, and invest in the ships that have the biggest scope and capability to maximise your returns

[sinful elk]

Hmm right, so i currently having 1 ur bulin, do i save to put it in kron, or put it in nj... or even save for the next coming ur

[steady beacon]

Save it, for the moment

Taking together all potential sources, you should be able to scrape together four UR bulins in total by the end of this month or sometime next month... then, assessing the capabilities of all the URs in your possession, including the upcoming one, you should invest all of them in max limit breaking the one UR of the lot that gives you the aforementioned maximum returns
Don't go investing in URs (or any other ship) halfway, because a single max limit broken ship is more valuable than a handful of partially limit broken ships

[smoky palm]

Genuine question.. but where does most of a BB's damage come from (like what equipment should you level up the most for them?) and how do you make them do more.. just feels like their Dmg sucks compared to my CV's.. only started In January so not sure if im doing somethin wrong..

[echo axle]

I was looking through my IB Vanguards to grind exp for Agir and found this, am I cooked?

[atomic abyss]

If you're relatively new, BB's damage are going to be poo if they're
A. Not max limit broken
B. Missing skill levels
C. Equipping AP/Normal ammo guns

[echo axle]

Mind the unretroed Z23

[atomic abyss]

The best BB guns for a new player are the purple twin 410mm and the purple triple 406mm mk6

Both of which will serve you even in end game AL

[atomic abyss]

I mean
The good thing is, Agir only requires vanguards to farm the second, 2.4mil exp phase

[warm flax]

Yeah gotta get that IB backline

[echo axle]

And I found only these, am I cooked 💀

[atomic abyss]

So in the interim, you can chuck Z46 and Z23 in the dorm to get them levelled

While you do the first 1.2mil with Ironblood backliners

[vestal thistle]

What should I get from shop

[atomic abyss]

Which shop, there's like 10

[steady beacon]

It's not great, maybe, but it's way better than the options we once had, if that makes you feel any better

[vestal thistle]

Event

[atomic abyss]

For event shop, see the pins

[echo axle]

Perhaps

[atomic abyss]

It's not perhaps
It's just straight up better

[smoky palm]

I mean I have NJ (110) , Soyuz (120), and soon to be Kearsarge.. but it just feels like at the same level as CV's like Saratoga Retro, Enterprise, and others that BB's just do much less dmg if say all my gear is the same level for the BB as it is for the CV..

[echo axle]

Should I perhaps buy IB Vanguards from shop

[atomic abyss]

Are they max limit broken

Cos it's quite common for players to roll in here with their URs... Not max limit broken

How about you show us your NJ and Soyuz equips

[vestal thistle]

I don't see one about that

[mental marlin]

does the daily missions reset differ from the hard mission reset?

[steady beacon]

You have to check the datamine spreadsheet

[smoky palm]

I've limit broken each once, and I have the UR bulins to fully LB.. just wasnt sure how much the DPS increases with each limit break

[atomic abyss]

Sigh

[steady beacon]

Ouch lol
That is pretty much it
1LB BBs, UR or not, are going to be underperforming if the CVs are all MLB

[atomic abyss]

For BBs, their first limit break effectively doubles their damage
Their third increases it by roughly another 50%

Ships that are not MLB are just shite

[steady beacon]

You can, sure, but uh... off the top of my head, none of the shop ones are really substantially better than the ones you already have

[warm flax]

How come BB strong against light

[wind hazel]

huh

[atomic abyss]

And as good as the URs are, if they're not max limit broken, they're utterly shit
MLB at least Soyuz
And drop NJ entirely cos she's not going to be mlb

[smoky palm]

Btw, is this pretty much the best purple BB main gun? and is it better to level up and use over gold BB main guns that are more niche or dont synergize as well?

[steady beacon]

Fundamentally, it's because HE BB guns have a very good modifier against light armour
And for a very long time, CVs lacked planes that had similarly good modifiers
The full explanation would take an essay, but as a "basic" reason, that sums it up

[atomic abyss]

If the gold BB gun isn't from research or gear lab it is shit, basically

This gun you're showing me is still like, the second best HE ammo BB gun in the entire game

I think it's only topped by the rainbow 406mk7?

[steady beacon]

USS purples man, somehow manage to stand the test of time

[atomic abyss]

The tldr if this for BBs
If you do not know or care for how to maximise your BBs damage
Just use this gun here

[smoky palm]

this is my collection of BB guns so far.. started in mid Jan this year ofc..

[atomic abyss]

Somehow you chose to use almost all the wrong guns

[steady beacon]

Instructions unclear, I got a gold Twin 410 from research and I can't explain why it's underperforming

[atomic abyss]

Despite having a plethora of the right ones

[atomic abyss]

The only good gold gun you're using at the moment is the one on Soyuz
But where you are in the game, it's useless so just keep it aside

Everybody gets either the purple 406 or the purple 410

[warm flax]

Crazy how you got Flandre gun at that stage

[smoky palm]

like i've 3 star'd every map up to and through 11-1 and just kinda put that on pause for now while ive been grinding the current even.. rn im CMD lvl 97

[steady beacon]

Eh, hold a sec, the Flan gun is fine also
Although that is a good question, how do you even have one
And a Kear gun too lol

[atomic abyss]

He's got Kearsarge herself...

[steady beacon]

Ah

[atomic abyss]

I mean he's not using the flan gun now is he

[smoky palm]

Got my first research ship last week too.. :d

[steady beacon]

Also, I'll observe, even before we worry about NJ at 1 LB
She's carrying an unenhanced Mk6
You have to enhance your equipment if you want them to do any damage

[smoky palm]

passed on everything from series 1-3 for now..

[steady beacon]

Good plan

[atomic abyss]

You'll want to go back to 2 for FDG

[smoky palm]

got anchorage.. then immediatly started going for kearsarge

[steady beacon]

Well, I guess you should coin FDG

[atomic abyss]

Kearsarge is gonna be as useless as your NJ till you get all 513 BPs to max her so...

[smoky palm]

Mid research for Kearsarge rn tho

[atomic abyss]

I mean same for FDG, but you can at least buy her BPs with coins

125/513
Isn't gonna get you far

You're going to reproduce the same results you've been getting with NJ and Soyuz so far

[smoky palm]

Wasnt sure who to go for after.. since I kinda hyper focused on going for Eagle Tech Points.. and im kinda lacking as far as the rest go

[steady beacon]

Hmmmmmmm... as much as it pains me to suggest this... this early on, I would strongly recommend you don't do PR6 research...

[atomic abyss]

Back to PR4 you go

[warm flax]

Don't drop any resource

[steady beacon]

Kearsarge is excellent, mind you, but getting her to work effectively as a new player is just... REALLY difficult

[atomic abyss]

And grab FdG too

[smoky palm]

but yehh.. kinda hard focused

[atomic abyss]

Then it's time you fixed the problem

[smoky palm]

Im sure I can gain more for the others through limit breaking and level 120'ing tho

[steady beacon]

She requires SO much more thought and finesse to use effectively, as compared to FDG, who you can basically use while blindfolded

[zealous perch]

Events always have the ships you need 10k points to get, do those ships ever come back in any way?

[atomic abyss]

They rerun once for most events, then get added permanently

[steady beacon]

Milestone reward ships, whenever the event is archived, typically get put into the medal (edit: MERIT) shop iirc

[smoky palm]

im at 125 BP's for Kearsarge rn

figured I could do my daily coins with her once I get her

[atomic abyss]

She doesn't have coins

[steady beacon]

Yes, but 125/513 is just a bit over 1/5th of the way there... which is a LONG, LONG way

[atomic abyss]

All the rainbow research ships past series 3 cannot be coined

So that plan is moot

[smoky palm]

oooofers...

[atomic abyss]

The only rainbows you can coin are Azuma, Drake and yes, FdG

So if anything, change your research to PR4 focus
And then start getting the stuff to unlock FdG

[true spruce]

You can see which ones are coinable as they'll have a coin next to their blueprint icon

[smoky palm]

I do kinda wanna get Prinz Rupprecht eventually tho.. since theres not a huge variety of BC's for me or in general..

[warm flax]

BCs are mostly meh

[atomic abyss]

There's barely any goddamn difference between a BC and BB
Just use Hood lmao

[gloomy mesa]

Can anyone of these 2 replace someone in my fleet ?

[atomic abyss]

Hood with augment is more than enough to be the one and only BC you have lul

[steady beacon]

You absolutely can, but note that battlecruiser as a hull type doesn't really offer any advantages compared to battleship
Don't compare ships by hull type, but by function

[smoky palm]

I just want a decent one for when the map forces you to use certain types of ships and BC ends up being one >.>

[atomic abyss]

No

[gloomy mesa]

Nice

[smoky palm]

ends up being a crap ship for me or just leave it empty

[atomic abyss]

Just grab Hood from the medal shop if she's on rotation
Otherwise from the beginner missions

[steady beacon]

Historically, one was just a bad idea, but it sometimes takes two world wars to figure that out

[zealous perch]

I always assumed something like that but I’ve never seen any of those past reward ships in the shops

[warm flax]

Well you'll eventually get her when you start pr5

[atomic abyss]

You'll get Hood up to actually being good way before you even unlock Rupert

[warm flax]

no need to rush

[steady beacon]

OH SNAP
I'm sorry lol... I meant MERIT shop, not MEDAL

[atomic abyss]

If we played with historical accuracy we'd lose almost all the German backline ships....

[smoky palm]

like my only Rare BC's are Hood and Huan Ch'ang.. so not a huge variety

[zealous perch]

Don’t worry bout it lol this game has like 12 different shops

[wind hazel]

hood is more than good enough

[atomic abyss]

But Hood is SR...?
And actually still one of the best ships a beginner can have?
AND is a BC?

[zealous perch]

I must just keep missing them when they cycle through

[steady beacon]

Battlecruiser is just a very rare hull type
There are like what? Fewer than 20 in the game, I'm nearly certain...

[atomic abyss]

Let me check...

[zealous perch]

And she’s very pretty she’s pretty solid yeah

[steady beacon]

Ye, merit shop is... very idiosyncratic
You can go a month without running into the ship you want, if you're unlucky enough

[wraith oyster]

an shan or chang chun better?

[zealous perch]

As long as they’re available at some point that’s fine by me

[smoky palm]

I meant SR, not Rare :d

[warm flax]

My mistake back then is that I maxed Amagi before getting Hood 8 months later

[atomic abyss]

There are more than 20

[zealous perch]

The only ones that wouldn’t go there are collabs I’m guessing

[wraith oyster]

how to decide between an shan or chang chun

[atomic abyss]

Probably Chang Chun

[steady beacon]

Damn, I'm getting sloppy
Oh right, there were like FOUR BCs thanks to META, forgot about that...

[atomic abyss]

An Shan is only really better if you're running her with another DDG

CC at least can buff Yat Kai or even Soyuz

[smoky palm]

like BC's are kinda lacking in variety compared to other ship types

[warm flax]

Can Chang Chun outdamage Hinden?

[atomic abyss]

Because historically there were just very few BCs lol...

[smoky palm]

the only SR's I have from that list are Hood and Huan Ch'ang

[true spruce]

hood is great

[atomic abyss]

So just use Hood
And the discussion ends
Period

[cloud fractal]

Generally speaking we should be converting combat data packs into Cores, right?

[smoky palm]

I mean.. im not a ship expert

[atomic abyss]

Yes

[steady beacon]

Ehhhhhhh... I wanna say it MIGHT be possible against light...?
At least comparable against light
Other armour types, I wouldn't hold my breath

Oh I forgot the Kongous too smh

[cloud fractal]

Is there any time that this doesn’t hold true?

[steady beacon]

Who shouldn't be classed as BCs, but anyway