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can yall just wait for datamine smh my head
i dont need the literal TL notes on the runes, i just need english TL
That clearly means she can be sandwich
i like talking about chinese
Nono I want them to solve it for themselves so I dont have to feed nagami
tail here means off tank
if nerfing eva rate is viable
which definitely depends
So we can run Yat > Ning > Ping
I mean you can but why loose EVA rate
too much work, Yat, DDG, Harb go brr
nah, just run Plymouth, Unzen, Hinden and call it day
I meann is it that bad when all 3 of them are bulky as fuck
if their only use is bulk, then it depends
Where is thw datamine link
waiting on riceist datamine now
We just waiting
we don't know how "good" there damage is now
Someone posted the link before I remember it
You got scammed then unfortunately
besides, 10% eva rate down from +40% rate and low base eva stat is a massive nerf
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14e6mXxbTmXLjIe4RGnZwTEn2kJQH5xRs81gLtiZDpRo/edit?usp=sharing
Event Guide
(Datamine) MM/DD MT - Event Name
Curated by AL EN Datamining Team
hey check this out(shameless advertisement)
https://nagami.moe/fleet-database
Barrage numbers dont usually come out early right
Oh nagami did it pog

they come out as fast as riceist bothers
yes i scammed them
Aww man that means I have to feed nagami
or go to CN wiki and google tl
put virus link in main page
New equip any good?
who knows
yet another barrage to datamined
u dont sound like the best al player
I consider myself to be good
A bit confused but I don’t see tail in the raw
google tl remnants if you read chinese
尾 is tail
Where is the source again? I’m just reading the screenshot google translate posted much earlier
Event Guide
(Datamine) MM/DD MT - Event Name
Curated by AL EN Datamining Team
hey check this out(shameless advertisement)
https://nagami.moe/fleet-database
im using the cn website but they copypasted onto the google sheet
helena en desc calls it backmost
Oh nvm I see the 尾 now
Yes i know, im just saying for tl convention in EN (as if it exists)
I assume tail would mean the middle slot, not off tank
That's my job once I'm free to take a look 
im not used to breaking down individual words like google translate. do it in clauses instead
If it's this hard for a channel with several Chinese first/second readers to figure out, I don't have high hopes for en players reading English
wher my dps calcs suchi
how do u guys survive the EX stage? Her lasers are doing so much damage that even with +15% score shes still alive with 25hp bars before my whole vanguard dies lol
EX stage compared to actual EX stages and one shotting METAs is piss easy
if you can't beat it or the Challenge mode don't sweat over it
nothing of real value lossed
nothing lost, there's no leaderboard for ex
its midnight and repo still not updated, going to sleep. ill run it tomorrow if its updated
... okay

Use level 125 ships
can i not use bulin with level to limit break ships
Uhhhh?
You can, check your filters
oh wonderful i didnt brick a yellow bulin
What's your question?
Uhhh what?
What to buy
/protocore
hello , can anyone tell me why when i do pvp my bbs doesnt attack the enemy bbs but attack their vanguard while they attack my back line ?(and yes i know in the case of cv`s , that if their gauge isnt filled they stay hidden)
/detection
Detection Level:
If the gauge hasn't been filled, your carriers gains "hidden buff", which is 10% flat AA resistance reduction to enemies (basically they deal more dmg) and they can't be chosen as a valid target (enemies BB won't attack your CV when hidden).
If the gauge has been filled, there will be an exclamation mark (!) displayed to the side of the gauge, and your carriers lose the "hidden buff". They will regain the buff when the gauge level falls below the red line.
The gauge will be slowly filled if spotted by the enemy (both planes and ships) if they crossed the detection line, when they are burning, and when launching an airstrike.
Credit: -It's Rajaku-#1817 and Newbie#1553
For more information, consult the wiki

It's rng
thats excuse me , but shait to do like 20 battles and my main to attack only their vanguard while their vanguard decimates my backline
tnx for the reply
You might be better off asking in #pvp
literally rng
I buyed dorm slot 3 i got 500 gems should i get dorm slot 4?
Dorm slot 4 is good sure
@vale spindle are you making stuff to pin or no
soon tm
we have the datamine but just waiting on ppl to become not busy to work on translation formatting etc
btw i just gave the access(i forgor)
is new event tmo?
Cta
new UR good?

So... New UR event after this rerun?
So for sub fleet who should i use to replace surcouf? Im not going for a wolfpack fleet just general good subs
we'll know tomorrow
Iv got stuff to raise the sub if need be
Homura + Flasher + any
U-47 is top tier, IIRC.
Homura + Flasher completely outclass Wolfpack for now, so dont need to think too much
I thought U-47 was super strong with, or, without wolfpack?
super strong meaning quite a bit below homura/flasher
homura and flasher are on another level compared to them, im quite sure
Wolfpack with U-47 = 98-99% perfect Wolfpack
IDK, I invested in gatos and never looked back. 
ill prob just put u47 in the line after maints over and raise her some then
i invested in 2 different packs of subs for opsi and campaign, but idk if it was worth it since subs r so niche
I mean, isn't U-47 the third strongest sub in that group?
in which group?
The pic.
think he means the one the guy sent above
Im gonna raiser her dw
Is there any reason to fight all these? I got some xp from the first 4 but cleared half the map and havent gotten anymore
Iv got too many gold bulins so its a win win
just raise albacore, she is in merit shop iirc, especially if u gt enough builns to raise 47
2800 points for frame, that's UR event right
then albacore would be a win win win
Ahhh i see
20k points for her
Press auto
also, Albacore + Archerfish + Flasher is the strongest SS-comp for now
Auto doesnt want to fight them for some reason
then u dont got to fight them
Welp guess its pvp time then 
Thanks
current SS meta is something like this, up > down, left > right

where's the proof?
What kind of bum ass list is this
did we get another lantern riddle this patch?
based on caculator of Chinese wizard, correct or not, who know?
can u read chinese
i think u shouldnt go around citing china if u cant understand their reasoning/what they write about each pair
i suppose this calculator assumes enemy is always in range, has an armor of liheavium, and has a hull type of DDCLCABBCV?
they alo caculated about any percent of dmg missed, but since it's from Chinese wizard, nobody know how they can do that
Ning/Ping AoA
II: 18 dmg, 100/80/60%, 125%, 10 shells, every 8 salvos
III: 18 dmg, 100/100/100%, 125%, 10 shells, aimed at enemy, 12 bullet speed after aiming, every 4 salvos (effectively 11s with quad152)
IV: 30 dmg, otherwise identical to III
Compare to Tai Yuan 15s barrage:
25 dmg, 100/100/100%, 100%, 16 shells, aimed at enemy, 15 bullet speed after aiming
great inform
idk how to feel about that
i know someone will be confused about this, but actually this's -10% EVA RATE, +10% means nothing if EVA RATE already reach the limit of 90%
2/21 Maintenance FAQ
Datamine
New Event Information?
See #jp-winter-2024-livestream-discussion for more information (specifically channel pins).
Trivia Answers?
See pin above this one.
more information coming soon ™️
yes its -10%, refresh your page i updated it
wiki dead?
you get another set of it after maint
Great Wall of China's back?
No? You will never use Ning or ping over ddg and Harbin lmao
theyve always been there, what you mean?
hello friends 🙂
hello mr torva
so ning augment is just debuff?
you get a lot of buffs in exchange for -10% eva rate
10% eva rate is a lot
waiting on barrage numbers though 😔
Overall seems like China wall is less cope 
waiting on barrage numbers 
Yat Sen's retrofit changing her yellow skill requirement to any other Dragon Empery ship more or less obsoleted Ning and Ping, but now the sisters are getting their Unique Augments and they look insane.
Aoa IV? Hope I saw that right
Insane, but is the damge enough to run over the ddgs and harbin?
obviously not, but they're much tankier
basically yes, it's as much as 40% eHP
my crystal ball says somewhere between AA seattle and CL seattle
new DMG MODE & old TANK MODE
by some case, especially like W15, more dmg also mean tank better, so DMG MODE seem still acceptable
Hey I’m not sure what the format of this fleetmaker designates in terms of positions but I think you just swap ning hai and ping hai position so that the one that doesn’t want main tank position is off tank and vice versa. Yat Sen can still be in the middle
ning main tank, yat sandwich, ping off tank?
Yat will be tankiest in DMG MODE but not Ning or Ping, so her position must be main tank

ok so its not worth getting the ning/ping sisters from shop (i am using yat/harb/ddg)
currently uncertain
numbers need to be evaluated, practicality needs to be evaluated, all that's said for now is initial thoughts 
Hello. I kinda ignored subs until now, but I am wondering when should I start leveling/gearing them seriously? I am at 12-4 safe for now. the subs that I have are Flasher and some 4 star ones from tier2 and below (refering to the community tierlist)
Some iron blood ones (at least 3)
harbiter and chapter 14 is where it actually matters, flasher is good, you can get albacore from merit shop
I still cant beat harbiter yet, got her to 10% then its gg
Thank you. Are there some guidelines on how to use the subs in a fight? I watched some videos and for example people don't call subs immediately in a fight
You want to do one (or both) of the following: ensure subs are called as needed for specific mob density spikes, and make sure the battle ends before they run out of oxygen and have to surface
Sometimes that can be at the start of the fight, but usually it'll be for a boss spawn or for a particularly dangerous set of BB mob spawns in w14
Auto-sub just calls them out at the start, so if you're just now getting to use them then you can just let them get called, and pay attention to how long they stay out before coming up etc
So i just saw the wall of shame on twitter and was wondering what use is it even to cheat in the points events?

Dunno, but judging by the account names a fair amount of those were bot accounts
Botting AL to what end? Unknown.
Isnt that just taking a huge risk with no reward?
no reward yes
I dunno, a dude with a monster PC and 10 emulator instances running ALAS on all of them. Maybe he's farming accounts to sell with the URs? idk.

Ok thank you. I will watch out for that
Ya, most important thing in later worlds is not to let them surface if at all possible. losing a sub can be as devastating as losing any other ship
I suppose there is gear to give them more oxygen? I am almost sure I don't have those things xD
Subs are used in later worlds?
yes but not needed
I dont have any sub built correctly lol
It's free dmg, no reason to snub it
all content is made to be cleared w/o subs 
they're desirable to have, but certainly not needed
But wastes a lot of oil
its a lot less oil than losing
can you really call damage waste of oil
What an odd opinion. Nothing is "needed".
its not a waste if you lose without it
True
there's a difference between, "want, and "need" if you want to really be bitchy
Sure but again, you don't "need" anything in particular to succeed in the game. dismissing an entire mechanic for... seemingly no reason?
no one is dismissing anything 

dudes really typing a novel to argue 
hi
I mean, your contribution to a discussion about subs was "we don't need subs" which seemed pretty dismissive.
doesn't mean they shouldn't raise it
but it gives that image
you don't need subs, but it make life easier
and what did I immediately follow it up with
peak EN
"you don't need air but it's desirable to breath"

Whats the position for u47/81/96 comp, who takes flag and who takes top?
sir that's not what need means
because people want to argue senselessly
pre sure 96 flag idk about top
Any quick ways to get hands on good gears and anti airs ? I'm lacking in gear i cleared 10-4 but one of my Ur ship was reduced to low HP idk how her level is 115 idk how my boss fleet is lacking other than gears
well in w10 anti air is useless
you could give dying backliners fire extinguishers
Well I already cleared it
if you're researing PR4 it gives Twin 90mm prints which is a solid general use AA gun
Ohh I'm doing PR2
thats pretty bad idea
Fdg ?
if you just mean getting the ships and coining them then thats different
Hmm
"doing prX" just means doing the research projects in my mind
Ohh
research comissions
Also I can buy two things from core shop what gears should I buy ?
Which ones are really good
shells for BBs are the obvious choice if you lack them
Yeah that's what I thought just cross checking ty
Is the new war archive worth it?
Khorovod didn't have anything of note initially, so no
Do i need 2 DDs in mob for w14 with asw gear? And no asw gear for boss?
potentially if you feel lacking, between just Unicorn, and 1 DD with ASW, also yes, boss doesn't need ASW
some CLs have really good asw too
What about aa? Is it as much as w13?
nah
AA is useless in w14 pretty much
Is +35% main gun efficiency real? That sounds mega broken 
whats torp meme
Also does the - 10% eva rate mean she get less durable?
In pvp it means fleet that shoot lots of torps
reduces the e hp by a lot
Isn't yat sen give her 30% eva rate and damage reduction? - 10% doesn't seems that a lot

Still have 20% eva rate and 20% damage reduction
-10% eva rate is pretty big reduction in durability, its prob worth it though given how much damage the augment gives you
but then again using china wall 
Even the big reduction that still higher then most CL right?
wonder how Yat / Ning / Ping fares now compared to Yat Sen / Tai Yuan / Harbin
latter would probably still do more damage
Chinese fleet op 
wouldn't really call it op
should still be very bulky yea
DDG be like 
They should add DDG that can tank to make the most op vanguard
ddg submarine when
china wall is probably pretty good now lol
My ping/ning are only 110 lol
Will there be a new ur or is everyone just yapping?
it's yapping for now, gotta wait till the live stream tomorrow to confirm it
-30% to -45% eHP based on enemy but DPS increased as much as 30% (70% if compare with using normal Augment)
still, you can just swap NingPing position and using them as tanker like usual
server up yet?
no
not seeing any weapon ID on that skill
are buffs skills or is that in antoher file
buffcfg
Does anyone know if KGV was fixed?
should be weap id 485 however that currently does not exist in the weapcfg files, found it in the lua, ill convert it manually
What should i put for mobbing fleet? im just started playing Azur Lane.
i can give you my repo
i thought you already have it
the just naga repo?
yeah ouh fuck did i forgot to push ti
it doesnt have it either, last update 6hrs ago
ouh prob because the thing that crashes thorin's converter
give me few mins(hopefully)
Does the 20% EXP boost apply to Vanguard PR missions?
should be the aux item barrage
Why does it say III when it should be IV?
That barrage looks lackluster too tbh
Oh.. I need ping hai ig
positioning
this isn't that much the case
not for vang
if you're day1 new, you'd want unicorn pennsylvania long Island Portland helena starter
get what you do not have from guild shop
then work towards replacing LI and penny with better ships
also read the newbie guides from here if you have the time
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC
what about bossing?
focus on 1 fleet in early game, you can 1 fleet in early game
you don't have to care much about bossing rn,
i put whatever i have in mobbing then put my strongest ship at bossing ;-
focusing on 1 fleet is faster and easier than spreading it on 2 fleet
With augment Vs without. I haven’t leveled the skills for Ping hai, so just have it to activate the buff. The barrage becomes homing on IV, like Plymouth’s skill.
Just one battle test, but man
no weap IDs on those new AoAs?
did aux says french or BC
or
french BB or BC
help this gameplay is too hard for me
got IDs on these?
Ice cream
wait im dumb nvm
cool
so initial TL is wrong, smh
naisu
while waiting let me create "guide for those"
should i defeat all enemy before defeat boss?
no rate up lame
i was gonna pull but no rate up means like 0.0001%
Is a maxed limit breaked Enterprise better than a 4 star Shinano?
Lantern Riddle Answers
Q: Which of the following is not a bombing technique used by bomber planes?
A: Rise bombing
Q: What is the role of a fire-control system?
A: To show the distance to the target
Q: Which was the world's first aircraft carrier to feature a full-length flight deck?
A: Argus
Q: Which was the world's first jet aircraft?
A: He 178
Q: How many Essex-class aircraft carriers were completed?
A: 24
Q: What is the equipment that is used to transfer personnel between warships at sea?
A: Personnel Baskets
Q: What food can be made in an airborne single-seat aircraft?
A: Ice cream
Q: What is the maximum AP cost of using the Request Recon order in Operation Siren?
A: 9
Q: Excluding events, how many Specialized Cores can you get every month?
A: 5000
Q: What is the name of the formation that boosts your AA during a sortie?
A: Circular Defense
Q: What is the name of Warspite's retrofit item?
A: The Warrior's Prowess
Q: Which of the following does not affect your Oil cost on a sortie?
A: Equipping Augment Modules
Q: What is the name of the AI assistant in Operation Siren?
A: TB
Q: What does the Support Fleet feature in the main story mode do?
A: Provide air support during battle
hmm too long
Lantern riddle(?) answers (Image)
uhh
No we said she does NOT want to be in the off tank position
Hyperlink ^
reading is not my specialities
Me neither lmaoooo
u copypaste wrongly bruh
1 is rear 1 is lead LOL
I had to go on the biliwiki for azur lane just to double check what names they use for the positions
so boys now we are basically in vacation until the new event of the last month
?
you mean next month?
Damn, that sucks. I don't think I've seen a rerun without a rateup.
what rerun
it is archive, rerun is different
EN now same as other servers, no rate up on WA
is it just me or does opsi gives a lot of commander xp? i got from lv 78 to 80 in 1 day just by clearing a lot of opsi
it gives less exp than campaign
There's gonna be a new rate up banner for sure, right? I need 130 pulls for Shinano. 
stay tuned™️ for next week
we'll know who to pull tomorrow
same as main campaign, it just each zone have more enemy and no oil used 
will this maintenance last 15m longer than expected (like the last one)?
need? no, however it is a massive improvement
DRs get 2 skills buffed
nice
it'ssaid that fs5 makes hakuryuu become the most op cv
can i use the UR prints for any PR/DR ships or should i prioritize for certain ones
haku is my first UR research ship unlock
Really? you got any sources for that?
Who's saying
if you mean the blanks, same as the PR ones, use them on the highest series they go up to
a guild mate hakuryuu did 3x the damage of my uvh 
Haku was already a bis for some content, but she cant cover every role
Currently,Coin upgrade can go upto pr4 and dr 3 so use those for PR5, DR4 and above
any good gear in here?
the first 4 are used 
Haze as budget STAAG/upgrade into STAAG
Twin 100 for submarine gun (because why not) but mainly to be upgraded in gear lab
Twin 127 for another submarine gun ig
AA Radar
"People use it"
aa radar is niche
ocr translate sucks tho
aa radar for your AR ship 
Sounds like a waste of coin.
ss level huh
trying my hardest to not audibly bruh
sounds like typical youtuber clickbait
Haku having one of the highest dmg is alrdy normal
doesnt make her "the one best" or anything
it's basically talking about concealment and shinano
the best CV is unicorn
does 9-4 hard have oil cap?
oh that translate does suck. it says pick between sakura empire or eagle union lmao
ik, but they just translate eagle as baiying
It makes the ships in question gain more exp, so if you use those for pr grind ofc you'll gain them faster
that is not what you said
that pic suggesting ark royal over implac is a meme
im saying the raws says pick between sakura empire or eagle union. the tl tool says baiying instead of white eagle
Ok...
lol, but they are dataminers and wikicompilors in cn
I'm dataminer too, Haku bad, trust me 
i mean it translated bailong into white dragon so why not baiying into white eagle or something idk 
Sara best cv
If it's t1-3 there is different rarity. If t0, nope
never understand the logic of robot-translantion

Is this the same as the one in that picture above?
Which DDG is best to use in Chinese fleet? Chang Chun or Tai Yuan? Aka is Chang chun’s buffs better than Tai Yuan’s higher damage
boys i used repair kits and hit a low level ship to remove the debuff but what does the repair icon mean here 
cc buffs are more valuable than tai yuan/an shans damage
you'd use all ddgs in cn fleet
You have to go back to port to heal
Too squishy tho
man that is omega expensive at this rate
ddg backline

The repair icons make the ships more vulnerable, they aren't able to use skills and they will take a lot more damage from the enemy
cn backline sucks
Again you are over worrying about port shop repairs...
just few
It is so easy to recover the coins you use from repairs and you usually find yourself with a lot more extra coins once the month ends
This is the Tools of War debuff. This meant the ship sunk during combat.
It disables all Skills, and reduces most stats by 60%.
You can remove it by using the Regroup and Rest order, Fleet Deploy or repairing ships at a Port.
3k Opsi coins at most is chump change
i forgot the mode existed for 10 days in the month 
there's a few million opsi coins a reset so ye
That still gives you more than enough time to clear all of opsi
You still get a butt ton of coins
out of curiosity, is there an option to change language?
It won’t
the only disadvantage you get from missing 10 days is loss of 10 days worth of daily missions
I am fairly sure you could get most of the one off rewards (explorables, strongholds, hiddens, abyssals) done in a single day due to how many AP boxes you get for free
You can use the hundreds of repair packs too, if it’s not about the debuff. We get so many anyways
also capping on AP will lose u a decent amount of AP regen
Oh yeah and that, loss of AP
this is my current coin situation
play more opsi 
these are the remaining items left
make sure u do your abyssals (the ones u can clear at least) if u dont have enough AP left for everything. they give the most rewards for AP
Are you able to do the strongholds?
As those give a lot of coins
that is what is costing me coins
because i need to repair each 8%
oh i thought about arbiter
how difficult are strongholds compared to difficulty 6 abyssals?
that is the arbiter and that is fine. i meant the black scary faces (abyssals)
what is abyssal then ? 
easier since u can heal
If you're prepared sufficiently for both Abyssals will be more annoying
These zones are created by Siren Coordinate Loggers
Imo much easier
Strongholds can be cheesed by leaving, going back to a port and healing
ok, ty ❤️
the red icons ?
i have 5 red icons on the map now
there is the red maelstrom too costs 200 ap
which one is it 
The red maelstroms are strongholds
The red markers are abyssals
if they are as painful as the arbiter then i have to pass on them
these are abyssals
abyssals u cant leave and heal. so u need to fight them with the 4 fleets u have and if u fail u cant attempt it again. strongholds u can leave and come back. if u cant clear the abyssals just leave them it is fine (although the C4 and C5 abyssals are not that hard) they will convert to vouchers at least for next month
Best gears other than Plygun and UR DB to get from Protocores?
and this is a stronghold
champy gun (series 3 BP), unless u are swimming in gear lab mats. cuz if so craft it in gear lab
At least three Champy guns
Harbin gun for a good general use DD gun
PR4 German plane if you need to do Opsi anti-med bosses
And if they're willing to buy or craft JB gun lol
no, dont craft it's giga expensive
There are also 2 'hidden' enemy fleets in abyssal zones which can be used to reset the low resolve debuff to allow your fleets to attack again
should i kill all enemy before fight boss?
Harbin Gun is Twin 130 M1936 Correct?
i think i will do low corruption abyssals and see how it goes after finishing this arbiter then attempt the strongholds by the end of the month
sounds ok
?
once per map
what does the green clipboard and yellow chests mean exactly
green > daily mission
yellow chest > hidden zone
I vaguely remember seeing someone talk about being able to 3 star a hard mission with only one attempt is that cap or is there a method
If you exit out of a hard map no attempts will be consumed but the progress toward the 3rd star will remain
it is a known strat
Bet thanks
Oh yeah
One other thing about abyssals
Each one has a different weakness which activates after one fight and increases damage taken from a specific type (shelling, torpedoes or planes). This is always the same for a specific abyssal and can be found on the wiki, so you can do the first fight with a fleet that doesn't take advantage of the weakness (i.e. use your BB fleet first against an enemy weak to planes and vice versa)
It's bugged. They never worked.
Bugged long ago
User Info: 269794828
System Info: bluestack 5 N32 version 5.10.250.1004
Frequency: Guaranteed. It always happens no matter what
Perceived Severity: Critical issue that impedes player progress but for which a workaround does NOT exist (e.g., the game always crashes during a particular mission)
How to Reproduce: -get into abyss...
Android, Medium, Popular
some enemies are still weak vs certain comps. read their buffs but if u have limited ships levelled u cant rly do much about it. jut put good gear on them and HE> light, AP> med/heavy for BB
And its abyssal, doesn't matter
is the purple triple 406mm mk6 bb gun the best general use coz the ectl only has the event exclusive ur mk7 one that is recommended higher
light boss > mk6
med/heavy boss > champy
light mobbing > FdG gun (german twin 406)
med/heavy mobbing (later chapters - IDK which but ?13+) > 457 (georgia gun)
tysm ❤️
Best accessible general use and 2nd best anti-light
If you needed the full names
mk6 = Triple 406mm Mk 6 Main Gun Mount
champy = Prototype Triple 406mm /50 Main Gun Mount
fdg gun = Prototype 406mm SK C/34 Main Gun Mount
georgia gun = Prototype Twin 457mm Mk A Main Gun Mount
Is there a way to get meta crystals? I lack one for jintsuu meta
bb gun personal reply pin for this
Nope
We currently have no news on how they plan to make older cruise pass METAs available again
Jinstuu is not cruise pass, you will have to wait for her dossier
Jintsuu was a META Showdown boss
So it'll take a bit before she shows up in the META dossier considering she was quite recent
Thanks, that's too bad though.
Devs at that time (game released) didn't anticipate that they could run AL till now so they made lots of op purple weapons lol
monarch gun in shambles
are cv considered medium or heavy ?
Generally Medium, some are heavy but only a few
Mostly medium
A few exceptions are heavy like the illustrious class and Taihou
You can look at their wiki pages for soecifics
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This page lists all ships and their level 1, 100, 120 and 125 stats including attributes hidden from players.
Level 100, 120 and 125 stats are based on the assumption that the ship has reached 100 Affinity.
To sort by multiple columns, first sort by the highest-priority sort (by pressing on the headers of the table) then Shift + Click on each of...
you know, what the heck is akashi doing by herself in siren infested waters
Because yes
Whoops
But yeah, gotta wait
Anything to make you go broke
selling you stuff
for lore reasons, i need the devs to explain
is a +10 flapjack better than +13 bf109 for heavy boss?
If it maintains your concealment, yes
I don't think many people even really use that anti-heavy rocket fighter much
i mean the anti-med one
Oh i read that wrong, the anti med has a modifier of 50 on heavy
Better than flap if there's a slow to setup
so just use the flapjack
you can check gear armor modifiers in their stats
just tap the ordnance and itll drop down and show you
i knew it had a bad modifier but there is so much more calc beyond that that is why i wasnt sure if the +18% and +3% opsi boost would make it better
what about fw-190
I’m struggling on 15-2 boss. My Musashi fleet clears but Bismark dies on boss.
Should I instead save some ammo on Musashi fleet for the boss and clear a few mobs with Bismark fleet?
try using rudders on backline
whats a support fleet
w15 thing
more or less the same thing
flapjack is gonna be better overall if it keeps you in concealment
if you're against a carrier or lots of planes, keep in mind planes like the fw109 and bf 109g have no passive interception
is there an actual use for going w13 and above?
gems. some ppl farm later chapters for cog chips. map drop ships for collection
Adventure is out there, and rare map drop characters.
better oil to coin efficiency (up to a point)
drop only ships
3 star rewards (gems)
i thought someone said 12-4 was the most efficient
well its not
for early/mid game yes since u can level ships easily and it has a decent xp and gold ratio per oil
what is the most efficient one?
all the high level stuff is really efficient
12-4 is just super easy and you can use whatever garbage tehre
12-4 is super easy on easy and so might be what they are referring
Technically 11-1 is most oil/XP efficient
Higher worlds give more coin
W12 is a nice in between if you need to raise garbage and grind coins at the same time
like this is what im farming with atm
Janus carry
Is Belfast and Warspite good gold ship?
janus was lvl 99 when i started
nope and LOL Nope
do you fight the boss too or nah
Even back in the boomer days default Warspite was mid as shit
should i use it even if was new?
i have another fleet for the boss
"Waifu > Meta"
but the logical answer is they're old ships so they've been powercrept at their niches quite a bit
What about Belfast?
Belfast is just a meh CL
Warspite is just dogshit and her retrofit is both expensive and still makes her meh compared to modern SR BBs

If you don't have a lot of ships, they're fine
they are not
esp considering the bullin cost needed to raise them
i just started playing so i barely have anything good
True if you look at Bullins
even ignoring the bullins, their statlines and skillsets are just outdated as hell
how to get lot of Wisdom Cube?
warspite crying
Dailies and Weeklies

get Portland, Unicorn, Helena, and Pennsylvania from guild shop
and see if you can get Hood and/or Enterprise from medal shop
Also give this a read https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/newbie_tips
im not at guild yet;-
you dont need to be in a guild to acess the guild shop
Tho you will need to be in a guild to have guild coin income
where to acess guild shop?
Shop > Supply > Guild
oooh thank you
Right now if you don't join a guild you'll have access to the Public Guild
Where you'll have some daily handin missions for some amount of Guild Coin
Don't feel pressured to do all them just as you're starting up, but its a spot where you can get in on the currency early right now
alr i will buy all that
thx there too much thing for me too do for now
yeah just go thru that newbie guide at your own pace, then if you have any further questions, feel free to ask
should i keep Long island?
if you're unable to get Enterprise or Saratoga then sure
she's dogshit but better than nothing
Is kursk better than tallin ?
Definitely not if you're talking about tanking
for Main i got Renown,unicorn and warspite
Hmm then she is alright for boss fleet right ?
Lung Wu any good?
ouch that's rough
get Penny to replace Warspite
then do like Penny/Unicorn/Free slot
nope
This tier one shows it above tallin does that mean it's better than it
i dont got penny
Kursk is a light armor CA, I dont think she'll be doing much tanking
At most I'd prob be using her as mob off tank
Which one? Kursk has light armor and leans towards offensive output so she's quite squishy. Tallinn is just almost entirely bulk for tanking.
guild shop (You can refresh the shop once per rotation btw)
I see
They do not rank within tiers
i already bought helena and unicorn
In the FAQ they say the order they are in is irrelevant, just the tier
did you look in the rare ship selection? that's where penny is
and Portland
Alright ty
so getting very close to being done, but it’s still gonna take quite a long time. Any advice on which character to work on after this one?
all of PR4 > Plymouth > Harbin and Chkalov if you want > Everyone else
Also, I meant being done unlocking whoops
What about PR five or six?
https://samheart564.github.io/ECGC/research#shipyard_priority
Read in more detail here
Plymouth, Harbin, and Chkalov are PR5
Rupper is just whatever, and Brest is good if you need another CB
Out of PR6, Kear and Hindenburg are good but mostly opsi niche, and Shimanto's the only PR from PR6 that I've really actively used
Plymouth isn't mentioned there but she is also quite important
I already unlocked Anchorage but I’m trying to get to her last whatever it’s called.
yeah because all the DRs are included in their own sepreate bullet point
Did they add a new ship or is this a NP reroll
they added old ships to perma pools
But it does say "rest" fwiw
Aight, was expecting some UR heavy cruiser or bb
I’m at work so by the time I am able to read this they’re probably will be several more post can you message that to me?
we're like 20 hours away from the stream reveal so stay tuned
Sent
is laffey better than Lung wu?
Thank you
Ooo yeah i forgot that exist, thx for reminding me
honestly i didnt realize how much im tweakin for a CA until im hit with the CA required slot that you cant fit a CB in there
Smh opsi niche
yeah
also refer to this for a general idea of who's good (In context of campaign) https://slaimuda.github.io/ectl/#/home tho be sure to read the guidelines
It's also got gear reqs
Warspite tier 2 but the gear i dont have any of it
It lists multiple ideal alternatives
For Main Gun, aim for the purple one, the Triple 406mm Mk 6
and that's ignoring the sheer investment needed to her retro and the fact that Hood with unique augment is a tier better for a fraction of the price
I don't think discussing tier list to someone just starting is a good idea
is there an auto recon option for strategic search 
No, unfortunately you got to play the game now
doesnt the 5k oil thing from exchange recon every stage
i just started opsi like last week
then you have to just either wait for the cooldown or manual it
welp i guess i gonna replace Lung wu with Fu shun since i have her
This good ? I don't thing unicorn needs this implacable is better off with this
if she's retrofitted sure but i highly doubt she is
just use laffey for now bro
Yeah for future reference, this thing in the Operation Exchange Shop for 5k oil will recon every stage and you can explore as normal

how to unlock ship skill?
depends on the ship
retrofit/mlb
What's up with this COA, everyone's from a different faction. Is there any telling which faction the upcoming ships will be from?
you're comparing a fighter with a dive bomber xD
both of them are good
we do not recommend buying the one on the right cause it is expensive and there's better versions in gearlab
Locked skills on normal Shipgirls are locked behind Retrofits or LB (All Out Assault)
Locked skills on META Shipgirls are unlocked in the META Lab > Tactical Research and costs some Skill Books to unlock first.
Okk
ohh
is there a way to get clemenceau and tallin for the portrait event? 
Time Travel
event limited and are you willing to pull perma heavy pools respectively
u dont need them for the portrait tho
Tallinn should be in heavy pool now but that's a needle in a haystack
coin poverty 
I guess this what I can do for now
usually w these if u manage to pull the event ships (and MLB some of them) u get it. not sure if non-UR event how it is tho
is it worth finishing all the 50% cost reduction when developing DR ships ? 
Portrait characters are only for the bonus missions to get extra points if you don't want to MLB a event shipgirl (i.e. not enough bullins, didn't pull them)
get portland 
rare out of stock
replace Indy with portland and replace Fu Shun (I misrembered, she has no retrofit) with laffey and that's fine until you can get Enterprise or Saratoga to replace Renown and Hood or Nelson to replace Penny
refresh using 50 coins
already ;-
he already did to get Helena and Unicorn, and he didnt realize port and penny were in a sepreate selection
it refreshes tomorrow so get her then i guess
you mean the discount on the coin up?
i know i got low iq
oh ur servers didn't reset yet 
are the gold meowfficer tiles guaranteed to drop rare loot or are they the only color to have a chance for rare
yes that one
will try to get portrait with just saratoga and Königsberg then 
you send your meowfficers to loot, and you have a chance for rare loot
though some would argue a lot of the "rare" loot doesn't really qualify 
i get portland after it reset
i think the rarity of the loot is affected more by the corruption level 
for now i just wait..
u can progress easily for now
i dont think i need to use my mobbing fleet for now
this is how the discount goes, if you have good income/a lot of excess coins to throw, 50% can be worth it to help speed it up
but it is quite expensive so check your finances before you go too broke
since my mobbing fleet just random thing
dont think about making a 2nd fleet until at least W9
i m going broke before using the 50% discounts 
yeah since my mobbing fleet just bunch of random ship
i mean is there a meowfficer guide?
it's based on rarity and level of the meowfficers you send, but i dont know the specifics further than that
Neither does anyone else
/cats
MEOWFFICER QUICK GUIDE
What are Meowfficers?
They are companions that you can add up to 2 per fleet (including sub fleets). They buff your fleets with their "skills" and "talents". There are 27 different types of them.
How do I get them?
You get them by opening Cat Boxes in the Cattery. The Cattery can be found under HQ > Cat Lodge. The first Cat Box you buy everyday is free. You can buy up to 14 more per day, with each costing 1500 Gold. It is strongly recommended you do NOT binge on them!
How do I level them?
Just like ships, they gain experience when sortied. They do not cost oil, however their exp gain is dependent on the oil spent by the fleet. They max out at level 30. You can also level them by feeding other meowfficers to them, at about 30% exp loss (20% bonus if identical). Additionally they can gain levels passively through Comf-Forts.
What are talents?
Talents buff a specific ship type or faction. They get 1-3 permanent talents, depending on rarity.. Every 5 levels they gain, they get a Cat Paw which can be used to roll new talents or raise the level of some talents. You can reroll any new talents once every 24h with gold (increases with number of talents).
initial talent list
What are skills?
Skills are unique to each type of Meowfficer. They usually give some stat buff or some perk to the fleet. They get 1 skill initially, and they can get up to 3 skills, each obtained by feeding duplicates (1 for 2nd, 3 for 3rd). The potency of the skills is dependent on their stats which increase through levels.
Do note that the skill stat buffs are mostly inferior to talent stat buffs.
Visit the AL Wiki Page on Meowfficers for more details.
Cat Guide by Riceist#3504 for detailed explanation of skills and talents.
yeah if its too much you can stop it's fine, unless you get tempted by an upgrade breakpoint 
Level and rarity of the meowfficer and the Corrsion level all have an effect
not all shipgirls are made equal even at lower rarities 
i used ranger until w9 
is there any recommended combos or talents to go for meowfficers and what kind of meowfficer is best? idk how much of an impact meowfficers have in general tbh
it's in the cat guide
i cant find it 
for starter i think use whatever u have and aim for the strong skills
later when u level up the cat dorm u have better chances to get higher rarities
bet thx
the girl that show up at end of battle is the mvp?
this and 30 levels will do for opsi
yeah they get a celebration
(and bonus exp/affection)
for now just put some backline cats in the fort and use them to increase their level. u want to have some gold cats levelled so u can feed them later on for xp when u roll a really good cat
oh Helena is strong then
i lost hope to level up the cats
3 months in and the highest i have is 23
lowest lv but alway mvp
just randomly level them at cat fort~~
it just leveled up to 24 but still i think i need 5 more months at this rate
even if she did deal less damage, she's a good ship as she debuffs enemies
it'll level up faster if you use them too :3
ideally u would level your backline cats more not sub cats
if the fight ends fast most likely the frontline will get mvp
should i increase my dorm slot at early game?
stuff like oscar, antenna and bishamaru
i don't have any
the best i had are these some BB and DD
one of them is cv
even if they have bad buffs it is fine. u want to have a level 30 oscar to feed to another actually decent oscar when u roll him
a bad ship
the intro look cool
they always have good art
very cool, but not very strong
but purple meta ships are 
i still didn't get a single one
i found 1 antena though
that is fine then. nothing u can do about that. just keep it in mind. cats are late game investment. level some BiS cats so u can feed them to decent cats later
meta alts barely improving over base version and then taking up dockyard space 
it s going to cost me 90-95% of my tokens, is it worth it? 
sure
do more opsi
i m trying but i don t think i m strong enough to clear corrosion lvl 5 or above 
i having fun playing Azur Lane but i don't know how long this motivation will last
oh i got a bishamaru and an antena now
so it is 2 antena and 1 bishamaru
dont a few months in the future and at end of the month you will have 2400 tokens
with all items bought... the necessary ones at least
if you have enough adapts and levels, it should be easy
level 1 antenna and 1 bishamaru. i dont like Lime personally and u can take out one of the pounds
it s ok, you ll look at waifus at the beginning and then somewhere along the way you ll look up 100 different wiki pages of gear trying to understand what you need 
or take out one of the brown cats. u want edelweiss ideally for sub and steel (SR cat) in command
lime has 6 reload though 
my fleet is around lvl 90 with +6-+8 gear 
then use it for now and take out 1 gral/edelweiss
it s so expensive is it even worth it? 
if u feel like u might struggle with coins/tokens. try and get the UR design plans and the gold plates first.
another something for you to go through https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Operation_Siren
wait, did i already reach the cap for lvl 5? 
then what is the point of allowing us to tune even more 💀
u want 203/203/156 for the arbiter. anything after that is just numbers
ohhhhh okay okay
isn't it 188 188 144
that is stronghold
if i lvl up my fleet, does lvl 5 and higher still stay with big red warnings around it? 
not sure what u mean
how good is chinese wall vanguard after UA? they seems busted af
c5 and c6 just show as red as default

yeah for a new player it is kinda intimidating
oh, i was dodging it because it was red 
just be careful of the levels
a boss fleet of lvl 4, takes half of my fleet hp, how harder can lvl 5 be? 
what is the avg level of ur vanguards ?
95
TBD, they're not busted that I'm almost certain of
try to avoid c5 for now then
i imagine the lvl diff penality still apply in opsi 
it does, but you are free to leave and heal in port at will
ah no just checked it, i have lvl 99 110 98 vanguard, damn they grow up fast 
it should be fine
prob is my gear, still mostly repair toolkit +8 everywhere and +6-+8 weapons
u should be having dps aux by now
at least for the CV
what s a cv again? 
unicorn type
sometimes ship class abreviation makes no sense to me so i forget
Carrier Vessel
Carrier Vessel (Light)
oh main fleet then, eeeeeeeeh
the only confusion is the C i think since it can mean both carrier and cruiser
actually, just kidding, Cruiser Voler, which translates to "boat that carries flying things"
Yes or nah to pull for the russian ships
Nobody actually knows what CV means; there's speculation for it, but nothing concrete
yeah i marked the V because i know french
just do 1 light daily
there isn't even a rate up
Ok
my bb have either reloader or fire control radars and this is my 1 cv of the fleet 
this is shocking, what timeline are we living in?
the timeline where we're fully caught up to CN and JP
yeah u need ur best gear for 1 fleet better than spreading it in 2
serious gear issues
it's fine tho
???
hey at least steam catapult and gold hellcat are decent right? 
if u have enough coredata get some shells in the shop
it's totally fine, transitioning gear
ur aux are fine but the bomber isn't
do you not have enough purple plates to make purple gear +10?
topedo bombers aren t real 
The modernization is the bulk of why you want the retrofit
click that node and put a unicorn/bulin copy and u can finish the retrofit
you gotta do the modernization node
there 2 types of Torpedo bomber
1 goes parallels
2 goes straight to a central target
it would be helpful to add text rather than just an image
about this much i guess 
Well shes a sr now lol
alright, could have waited but well
level her healing skill asap
u love hoaring
?
you'll get more eventually.I think I have all of them in the 16k to 24k range
I had a lot of bullins
@round egret get this in core shop if u can https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/Type_1_Armor_Piercing_Shell
i guess you mean hoarding?
i m just scared to use it on transitionnal gear i guess
and also i m so rich COUGH
Idk if i should try that stage ngl
if you can't push just level your ships more
ah talking about shell, i was never sure if i should take this one or the super heavy one 
did u see this #gameplay-help message 
wdym with push?
imo just use whatever mean that makes u stronger to push content
doesn't really need to be efficient on plates or coins
as far as i know they are interchangable (some ships have certain skills that benefit one over the other). u want 3 of each anyway
can't advance, can't clear newer chapter, etc
eg, if you can't push to chapter 13, then stay and level at chapter 12
i need to learn how to farm core then cause it s sooooooo slow to get
push campaign
Core data comes from hard modes.
So even if the recon airspace control is at red i could beat it?
Higher-level HM gives more data
the only thing i ve ever bhought in core 
you may or may not. just give it a try
in the middle of clearing ch7 hard stages 
navy designation for aircraft is V for aViation
stop using non mlb ships
sometimes they do triple core data events which is a good way to stock up and also this raid gave 700 so dont worry too much and get the decent gear that u need
That's ONE guess. There is also speculation that it's volaire

All are mlb except shima
then don’t use shima
indep is a good choice. you should retrofit her and u will use her a lot
if u didnt know, you dont have to clear all hard stages to progress hard mode
its not speculation. look at published orders by the naval department. if there is one thing military does is that there is ALWAYS a paper reference for everything. there is probably one for ship designations
gm yuki
all that is known is that it stands for "heavier than air"

this isn’t gph related
Isnt the airspace control for aircraft ships?
can javelin be used as tank in the vanguard? since she has a really high eva 
You can lower the required amount for Superiority/Supremacy (and other tiers) by increasing your fleet AA stat
she works until she doesn't, is the summary
That red circle indicates your recon isn't maxed, it's not airspace control
offtank at most
that s the third slot right?
yep
your acv isn’t the problem, it’s your recon, you don’t have enough eva
that's fine as well. they dont actually have to stand for anything but it makes sense to me that V is for aViation
Can you make one in gear lab? She really wants twin 128, the german AP gun
What is even recon and eva im confused
Oh wait i didnt follow the conversation far enough, ignore what i said about AA stat
Recon is to stop Ambushes and Air Strikes
I don't have the materials
#off-topic with this and unsubstantiated anyway
When you travel tiles, the chance of being attacked, if you dont meet the Recon value goes up.
she s also 12 lvl above the rest of my vanguard for now 
Keep doing PR4 research
So ambushes will spawn again?
i mean she will be better than your typical dd for tanking, just keep in mind rng defence is rng
yes you can get ambushed x+1 times
if its below, yeah
jav is not tanky at all
Then I recommend doing more OpSi, assuming you're high-enough level. That's actually one of the cheaper guns to make, and is great for a lot of destroyers
i see, dd in general are bad for tanking, i thought i should just look at the eva value but the tank need really high hp or something? 
hp skills eva
How to upgrade that
CAs are the general class for frontline tanking, supplemented by Evasion auxiliary gear
it based on your fleet evasion and aviation stats
hull type is a terrible metric for a ships role
For now, you can use pretty much anything though
i didnt say it was the rule but that's very true
sure man let me just main tank Kursk real quick
CBs are just bigger CAs
Facts
I recently reached second port ... And it's Askin me to create 4 fleets . I don't have enough good ships to create 4 fleets 💀 should i just put any ship ?
You don't need to make 4 fleets if you don't have the ships. Typically, what I'd recommend is a mob fleet, a BB fleet, and a CV fleet, and you can throw whatever you want in the 4th one.
exeter good enough for tanking for now i guess 
just use Portland
my 4th fleet is antilight but if you dont have many ships you can just put random ships in there
where your free portland
Or Eugen
unused 
Yeah by the point you get that mission that's usually the thing to do
highly recommend you use her for early frontline tanking needs
very accessible retrofit
So by BB fleet you mean i should 3 bbs on it?
she's also required for the completion of rookie
where cb? 
CA
grouped with CA
she s lvl 100 dw i just didn t use her yet 
Well if we're going by that CA guns and CL guns are also the same thing 
Yeah, you'll eventually want a fleet of 3 BBs, and for vanguard probably Agir/Helena/Plymouth
Alright good sir . Thanks a bunch
is there a good tank in the royal navy? 
Plymouth, Drake, Jervis
^
Chesire is nice to
i have none of those dammit 
what
tf is a t34
Something for #off-topic
a RUSSIAN tank
dude can you like stop with the off topic
guess i ll work on my navy ships 
FdG is higher prio for DR coining
why do you even need a tank specifically from the royal navy 
I hope i'm not asked to use Portland haha
i still don t know myself but i made a fleet of each 4 main faction 
faction fleets are bait, don't try to build fleets like that unless it does something specifically
don t think i m using really bad ships but they aren t top tier or UR rarity yes 
Not using Portland already tells me you may not know what makes a good tank.
the defense order skill?
anyone has the lantern festival answers?
She's definitely not the best, but she's good enough, easy to get, and required for the beginner quest
Portland's a pure stat stick
i mean she requires minimal resources does her one thing well and gets you to 12
~~didn't mean to tag ~~
she is also required for rookie missions so it is win/win to use her (if u guys are talking about
) ~~wait nvm u wrote that already
~~
whats the best way to get decent equipment? events? research?
research, gear lab, boxes
event stages can have good farmable gear as well
is shimanto better than sandykai? for ch 14 and potentially 15?
or some campaign stages
For 15 in particualr, I think she is
now that i look at portland she does have 1000 more hp than my exeter, i m starting to understand a lil bit 
are those russian ships on the new banner worth pulling for?
High HP, evasion and luck are the 3 most important stats usually.
what is luck? 
There's no rate-up, so you can't really pull for them
there is no rate up so there is no banner
Lmfao i cant read then, i tought they were on rate up just because theyre on the banner image instead of the chinese ships
they just updated the image on the banner. it is not even a new banner
wait luck increase chance to dodge and accuracy, it s hit + eva but something else? 
i think 14 needs ASW not AA
Luck is a complicated stat. It has to do with evasion, hit, and maybe something else if I remember correctly.
and crit
That was it, thanks
small influence but not completely negligible
i m learning ship have base crit rates now 
Hi so to increase eva should i like level up my ships in 11-1 right?
increasing eva is best done through gear choices
levels are mainly for damage
reduction
But i need the blue general thingy for my gear
it's for the burn reduction 
is there a pity for obtaining UR ship?
yes
Yes...
how many?
for perma URs 400 cubes spent on none UR event banners
for event URs 200 pulls on their event banner
ahh okay thank you
is there a vanguard ship that buffs BBs? I'm trying to fight Elena meta but I feel my damage is quite underwhelming
Plymouth
Sovetskaya Belorussiya
Plymouth buffs BB, not BBs
Guam also
buffs everything 
Plymouth FS5, if your Flagship is a BB, buffs the damage of all the BBs in the fleet by 18%, coming 2030 maybe
How to get this?
currently fleet looking like this
For light armor bosses, vanguard damage can be especially relevant. Use a Hindenburg, Unzen, or Tai Yuan
why Musashi against a light armor boss, Plymouth not Dev 30, Shimakaze
musashi on light 
just clear stages that aren't super low level
just do normal farm (ch12+) blue plates are like the least used plates so u wont struggle for them after a while
just about any stage drops them, but there are recommended farming stages for a variety of reasons
I mean for the eva gear i need them
yeah u will get enough with time. dont go out of your way to get blue plates
But i don't wanna suffer from ambushes 😭
gah my severe lack of any proper gun or equipment or even proper vanguard ships hurts
Sandy can be better in 15 boss and in some mob fleets that don't include laffii
unfortunately these are the only proper good ships I own :(
but good to know I'll look out for others
I just realized i should just do 11-1 over and over for them...
barrage data added to datamine (very late but better late than never)
would NJ be a good replacement for musashi
Only against light bosses and nowhere else
As long as she is mlb, NJ would beat mushashi on light
In showdown that might not be the case
People have low rld, NJ is using mk6 not mk7, Musashi gets 4 salvos for free
Uh, if you've cleared the stage, you have Clearing Mode which stops those...
on this topic, does it make sense to wait and drop nj from normal pool (mine is not mlb yet) or use 2 bulin? I have 36k prototype to spare but also like, 3 UR ship at 3 stars lmaoo
I havent even played 11-3 and I don't like ambushes so i'll grind 11-1 until i get enough eva


