Patch Quest Speedrun

[spring perch]

makes my life easier

[final seal]

smh

smite didnt put in my sweeteor and hive runs

and fungaloni run

[spring perch]

I'll probably do it on Monday

[final seal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqza0cMlhMA

awry 🤯

[hasty plank]

Yep

I'm back

[serene vale]

Woooo!

[spring perch]

Nice

[hasty plank]

Is it still possible to cheese omalon?

Just wondering

[dawn pike]

No

I assume you mean the bug which I first found/reported about being able to kill him without killing the hands using explosive ammo

[spring perch]

I'll verify your runs later today

[spring perch]

I lied 🗿

[final seal]

meanie

[hasty plank]

Lying is a big no no

[serene vale]

Should he be put into the timeout corner? /j

[hasty plank]

I have a better idea...

https://youtu.be/4JwzHugwPUA

[slender matrix]

outstanding run

can't wait to have it reviewed and accepted by smite

[hasty plank]

Ok, but actually

https://youtu.be/ZBKAvkcYVrg

Here you go Smite

[serene vale]

Nicee

[final seal]

finally . . .

alex is dethroned

[serene vale]

After all these years

[slender matrix]

soon to be ! Alex the NETO 100%PQSpeedRunTop2

which still makes him way better ranked in the PQ speedrun world than i am.

[serene vale]

You could always do runs :)

[slender matrix]

If I have time for a run, I have time for server maintenance & cleanup, and I'd rather do that

some stuff need to be revised

[dawn pike]

@vagrant jetty it happened

[vagrant jetty]

..

fuck

[dawn pike]

Kiochy, ban him for lying, his name is a lie

[vagrant jetty]

i became aware of this less than a min ago

plus not on speedrun .com yet as i can see

[dawn pike]

I mean you can always do another run instead

Wait

[vagrant jetty]

i kinda have to ttry

[dawn pike]

Power move: beat his run before his run is even approved

[vagrant jetty]

not right now

[dawn pike]

This is smite we’re on about - you have a month to beat his run

And also don’t have to do it in one day anymore

[vagrant jetty]

ik

[serene vale]

-# I think the way it is set up history wise it still would be counted as Awey first, but I digress, still would be funny

[vagrant jetty]

but its fun to do stuff in one sitting

[vagrant jetty]

you mean alex?

i did 100% first

[serene vale]

I mean if you went to beat him before it was accepted

[dawn pike]

It’d be Alex, Awry, Alex

[serene vale]

It would be still you, awry and then you

[slender matrix]

Name's not lying, as pointed by alex the run has not been verified & approved yet

Maybe I should ban you for trying to weaponize mods in your advantage the others disadvantage?! You get the "Le Baguette" role as punishment Oatie, that ought to teach you.

[vagrant jetty]

:O

[serene vale]

The fact that is surrounded by his many other roles is so funny

[hasty plank]

The more Smite waits, the more speedruns will come his way

I already got one in the oven

[serene vale]

Time to do a speedrun every day until smite accepts my speedruns challenge not clickbate gone wrong at 2:16 am!???!!?

[hasty plank]

lol

[dawn pike]

Quel dommage !

[spring perch]

Awry

I can't promise I'll verify your run before June 10th

I have to study for my finals

I'll try to verify everything else today tho so if you got anything else submit it now

[dawn pike]

I have finals coming up too lol, but after them I should have a few months where I have no school, so I think I’ll just do one of every speedrun and submit them all at the same time

Also if you want I’m happy to watch the 10 hour 100% speedrun to verify it if you won’t have time

[vagrant jetty]

...

[dawn pike]

Oh my god he changed it, how does it feel to have your identity removed?

[vagrant jetty]

dude i changed it eairlier XD

[dawn pike]

I hadn’t noticed

I see !Alex and just immediately my brain fills in “!Alex The NETO 100%PQSpeedRunWR

[serene vale]

That is fair, I have finals coming up as well

[spring perch]

verified 2 now

I'll do the rest later

[spring perch]

https://youtu.be/LPqPffDBzBI?si=E4i299_Ih1nUJn7t

ok so

in this run

[dawn pike]

in this run?

[spring perch]

Arachnid picks up the fungal pin from enchantelle

so when he defeats fungaloni the treasure doesn't drop

[dawn pike]

yeah

that's how that works

but you can also optionally choose not to pick up the pin from enchantelle

[spring perch]

yeah

[dawn pike]

like what I do with lava gem in ChaoticLow%

[spring perch]

my point is

should I verify this run?

[dawn pike]

poll time

[spring perch]

while it abides by the rules

it kinda defeats the point of the category

[spring perch]

<@&813424947040747592>

[hasty plank]

hmmmm

I'm now part of democracy

[vagrant jetty]

Democracy

[spring perch]

also you guys can now submit your speedruns to multiple categories at the same time

[dawn pike]

oh that is fantastic news

[spring perch]

oh lmao

onkel already did a poll about that

it's pinned

[hasty plank]

should I do that for my 100% run?

[dawn pike]

do you want your run approving this year?

[hasty plank]

infinite run submission glitch

[dawn pike]

hey so for this debate
I propose:
Fungaloni% - Defeat Fungaloni and THEN collect the Fungal Hairpin

[serene vale]

I mean... the timer would start when you start thr 100% as a whole
So your scarab run would be 6 hours and 5 mins for example

[dawn pike]

hey so smite, could we have the rest of the level categories please?
(Hexamulet, Jade Earings, Unhatching Egg, Mythic Chisel)

anyway time to run "Shiny%"

37 categories, some of which aren't real categories yet

[hasty plank]

still enough to get 2nd or 3rd

[spring perch]

Tomorrow

[hasty plank]

Now time to run every other category!!!

[serene vale]

Challenge% for you

[hasty plank]

yeah..

I don't know about that one

Give me 5 years or smthn

[serene vale]

Yeaaa

[spring perch]

Nah it's not even possible anymore

[hasty plank]

I can do the rest this year tho

wdym not possible?

anything is possible with the pwer of friendship!!

[spring perch]

The challenge

You can't open shortcuts

[hasty plank]

So?

[serene vale]

He is going to use those 5 years to make thr TAS obs /j

[spring perch]

So

[hasty plank]

Time to learn how to make TAS runs...

[spring perch]

We need to train a neural network to do it

[serene vale]

Nuro networks arent that good at gaming tbh

[spring perch]

Yeah but there's a lot of rng so a tas ain't exactly possible

[hasty plank]

just hope and pray for good rng

[slender matrix]

just hack your save

[spring perch]

Fr

[hasty plank]

can you even get through certain patches without taking damage?

[slender matrix]

cleaned the pins a bit, but kept my personal funny one. Anything new you need pinned?

[spring perch]

There are some corridor patterns that you can't do

So you'll have to reset a ton

[serene vale]

In TASes you can control rng tho

Like alot more at least

[spring perch]

A pq tas would require static corridors, charms and rooms which is the easy part

And static monster movement

Which doesn't really make sense

[hasty plank]

We just need a monster which doesn't move too much

[spring perch]

But hitless is definitely possible so go do that

[hasty plank]

I think I need to learn how get stench effectively first

[spring perch]

I have almost completed a hitless run actually

Got hit in the last 4 rooms

[hasty plank]

darn

I got hit in the first room

[serene vale]

Thats why im not gonna do hitless

Im ether going to be hit first coridor or last room

[hasty plank]

But I need to be on every leaderboard

Need that completionist feeeling

[spring perch]

Long and difficult speedruns give you instant Parkinson's during the last boss fight

[hasty plank]

That's how I feel during every boss fight

[dawn pike]

yeah but if my low% runs have taught me anything it's that with perfect luck it'd be possible

[spring perch]

You also need to get all cores

iirc

Turns out you can use shortcuts

As long as they are not from dungeons that give idols

[hasty plank]

W shortcuts

[spring perch]

But you can't pick up stats

[hasty plank]

what counts as an idol?

[spring perch]

The rules were made before trinkets were a thing

And before charms existed

So we'll probably have to revise them

[hasty plank]

yeah

[hasty plank]

wait, really?

[spring perch]

And also before other types of shortcuts existed

[hasty plank]

hmmm

[spring perch]

Yeah the rules were written back during the alpha

[hasty plank]

That's pretty long ago

[spring perch]

Cindy actually beat the challenge back then

[dawn pike]

I mean back then it was quite different in so many ways

I’d argue that my low% is the closest thing to an updated challenge% now

[spring perch]

Very different

[dawn pike]

Yeah of course

But I mean the hardest possible challenge

[spring perch]

Surges didn't exist so the game didn't become harder the more you played

[dawn pike]

Yeah

[spring perch]

But nights were a bitch to deal with

[dawn pike]

I mean hey, with about 7000 years you can reset the difficulty mid run

[spring perch]

Not that I've played the alpha

[dawn pike]

I am not joking here btw

[spring perch]

Integer overflow?

[dawn pike]

Since every time you reload the game mid run the difficulty is incremented by one

[spring perch]

Huh

I had no idea

[dawn pike]

And it’s likely stored using an 8 bit non check digit variable

Or 32 bit

Or 16 bit

[dawn pike]

Well you technically enter a new room

[spring perch]

8 bit most likely

[dawn pike]

Since it doesn’t save what the room is

[dawn pike]

You’d be surprised, 32 bit is almost no processing power any more

Only 4 bytes

1/250 of a KB

[spring perch]

Times sure have changed

[dawn pike]

But anyway since it’s 2^8 or 2^16 or 2^32

That’s a lot of reloads

[spring perch]

8 bits is doable but annoying

16 bits would take days

[dawn pike]

I mean I guess with save file editing you can change the difficulty scaling, but I tried it and couldn’t figure out which bit to change

Modding however

[dawn pike]

Straight that is

32 bit is years

[spring perch]

Yeah

[dawn pike]

Possibly millennia

Well, let’s assume a minute for a perfect executed reload for simplicity

[spring perch]

4085 years if you reload once every 30 seconds

[dawn pike]

2^8 is 4.25 hours

Should I try it?

[spring perch]

Sounds doable lol

[dawn pike]

Tomorrow just stream that for 4.25 hours in stream yourself

Or if I get it in 30s only 2 hours

I mean we could always ask Liam which variable type he used for the difficulty counter

Oh and hazelnut’s 20 difficulty could help

[spring perch]

True

Wait

She probably also knows

I'm gonna ask Liam

[dawn pike]

I’m asking astrae in her modding server now

We may get an answer tomorrow

Also fun thing

Reloading resets the room

So find a corner room and constantly reload and you can get every single charm in the game easily

[spring perch]

Yeh

I can't believe that if it's 8 bits the challenge is actually possible

[dawn pike]

Well it’ll make my low% far less rng dependent since the problem is once you get from jungle to matruinox without shortcuts there’s such a high difficulty scaling that every hit does 200 damage, and don’t even get me started on hexiom or aurobos

[dawn pike]

And if it’s 16 or 32 bits I’m coding a mod to change the value

Then I’m setting the value to 4294967294

[dawn pike]

Not for an official run

Just to prove it’s possible

And also seeing 2^32-1 as a difficulty would be interesting imo

[spring perch]

Monsters will be moving so fast that they'll go out of bounds

[dawn pike]

Interesting thought

[spring perch]

Also probably insta death

[dawn pike]

Y’know what it’s time for a 2 hour coding adventure

[spring perch]

You can probably use cheat engine to change the values

With cheat engine you should also be able to find the length of the variable

What's it called? Word? Something like that

[dawn pike]

the problem is that all the names of patch quest variables seem to be weird and not just "DifficultyScaling" or something

[spring perch]

You don't need the name of the variable to find it

As long as you know its value you can find and change it

Cheat engine has a pretty good tutorial when you install it

[hasty plank]

I tried to follow this conversation, and I still don't understand what's happening

[dawn pike]

programming things

[hasty plank]

something to do with difficulty scaling?

[dawn pike]

yeah so there's a variable in the code for the difficulty which increments

and every like 2 or 3 it says "the wind blows stronger" or smth

that's the difficulty scaling

which is exponential

[hasty plank]

So when you re-enter mid game it goes up

thats interesting

[dawn pike]

but it will be stored in a variable, and due to the nature of programing, if a value gets too high

for example 1111 (15) + 1 in a nibble = 0000

since the correct binary value is 10000

[hasty plank]

nibble?

[dawn pike]

but a nibble only has 4 bits (1/0) so anything past 4 1s or 0s is removed

and that's called an overflow error

[hasty plank]

oh

that makes sense

[dawn pike]

so I'm trying to figure out how many 1s/0s the difficulty variable is given

[hasty plank]

before it resets?

[dawn pike]

so I can perposefully overflow it

[hasty plank]

overflow

[dawn pike]

and go back to the difficulty of the start of the run, mid run

[hasty plank]

...

[dawn pike]

so y'know when you have a long run in pq

everything gets far quicker and stronger

[hasty plank]

and then reset it back to 0

[dawn pike]

yeah

so pretty much just how it was at the start of the run

[hasty plank]

That doesn't sound very fast tho

[dawn pike]

4 hours if it's 8 bits

[hasty plank]

That's a lot of time loss

[dawn pike]

23 days straight for 16 bits

4085 years straight if its 32 bits

[dawn pike]

it'd be for challenge runs mainly

like challenge%

[hasty plank]

that makes more sense

I have a challenge in mind

but I won't reveal it until I finish my speedrunnning quest

[dawn pike]

so tomorrow I'm going to stream for 5 hours just quitting and rejoining mid pq run

using difficulty 10 should help a bit

[dusty pendant]

i would assume liam was lazy and just used an int (32 bit signed) so it would overflow at 2,147,483,647 and then become negative

[dawn pike]

I mean no point in using a signed int though when it's a difficulty scale

also that begs the question of what happens when the scale becomes negative

[dusty pendant]

yeah but i havent seen liam use anything else than int, ever

[spring perch]

Oof

[dusty pendant]

but hey then its only a measly 2000 years

[spring perch]

Except if we find a glitch to reset faster

Like

Way faster

20m times faster would be really good

[serene vale]

We need an unpatch that adds a ton of bugs 😔

[spring perch]

Fr

We need ACE

Come on people find the bugs

[hasty plank]

https://youtu.be/tHOKXNNoxnA

Idk how useful this is, but it is funny

Only works in corridors

[spring perch]

Bro got sent straight to the shadow realm 😭

[serene vale]

Fjdjkendhdjejdn
MAJESTIC
Get that goober out of here

It is interesting to know that the platform actualy moves them and sends them away

Can you do this to a pet tecnecly?

[hasty plank]

Maybe

I'll try it in a bit

[hasty plank]

They just float over it

They don't get dragged by the patches

Unlike the untamed monsters

[serene vale]

Awww

[slender matrix]

Love it! byebye

[dawn pike]

we have our answer smite

[hasty plank]

oof

[spring perch]

Lmao

[dawn pike]

So tomorrow is my 4 hour resetting

[spring perch]

Good luck

[hasty plank]

good luck Oatie!!

[dawn pike]

F

Well I’m no longer trying that

[dawn pike]

So it’ll be a 32 bit signed integer

Or 2 billion at its maximum

1902 years straight to reach

At 30s per reset

[native epoch]

welp, per suggestion I'll also ask this #general message here I suppose:

out of curiosity; anyone ever did the math on what combination of Shiny Pins in Patch Quest would give all monsters Max Hearts without petting them; while also using up the least amount of pins possible? is there a full list guide somewhere? 😅

but yea, knowing the smallest pin count possible for this, or getting an entire txt file list would be neat

[spring perch]

With shiny pins it is pretty easy to max them out but I don't know the best way

Although that would be fun to code

[hasty plank]

Probably pins with the most amount of attributes is a good way to start

[native epoch]

yeah seems like going the brute force method in some ways is prob the best way but that's not my expertise lol, I was just wondering if someone already did it

[native epoch]

that came to mind for sure!

[hasty plank]

We also have to account for the zone bonuses when the pins are from the same zone

I could probably do some testing later this week

If I can find all the shinies...

[final seal]

i think the perfect overloved speedrun will never be achieved

u will need every pin to be shiny

[hasty plank]

So shiny%?

[final seal]

no

every pin u plant has to be shiny

[hasty plank]

Oh

Yeah

[final seal]

thats very improbable

[hasty plank]

But once you find one shiny, all of the same pins you have of it turn shiny as well, so that helps

Plus, on higher difficulty, shinies are pretty common

[final seal]

true true

[dawn pike]

“No difficulty changes”

[final seal]

oh dang

right

thats horrible

lol

well erm actually

shiny 1 pin allows us to change the difficult

and even if the rules dont allow us to, smite did it and he verified his run

so clearly i think changing the difficulty for 'other categories' is ok

[hasty plank]

all shiny% have difficulty change

[spring perch]

Should I just remove that rule?

In general?

[hasty plank]

it makes your run harder anyway

maybe just for casual difficulty?

The rest doesn't really make too much sense

[spring perch]

I'll think about it tomorrow

[hasty plank]

we should do democracy

[spring perch]

Ye

Tomorrow

[hasty plank]

ok

[serene vale]

I see no reason why increesing the dificulty wouldent be allowed in general

Also get sleep

[hasty plank]

Democracy tomorrow?

Maybe?

[spring perch]

?

oh right

difficulty changes

I'll do a poll in a bit

[brave patrol]

**:bar_chart: Should we allow difficulty changes? **

🇦 Yes
🇧 No
🇨 Yes but casual mode should not be allowed

Upgrade to Premium :zap: for an ad-free experience.

[spring perch]

<@&813424947040747592>

[spring perch]

democracy

[dawn pike]

Very much a mixed and close election this year

[slender matrix]

that's what media control and mass manipulation leads to

[azure hamlet]

so-called "free thinkers" when option c

[spring perch]

Fr

[serene vale]

To be fair, I think casual mode would be a neat subcategory

[hasty plank]

Subcategory for casual mode sounds cool

[spring perch]

I'll add it later

[dawn pike]

Are we going to divide PQ speedruns into steam and mobile? Since it seems like mobile runs will likely be harder

[spring perch]

Mobile?

Since when??

[dawn pike]

Crunchy roll games deal or smth

Today

I think I’ll get a free trial and try it but I’ll probably prefer steam version

[serene vale]

I think it would depend if it is fundamentally diffrent

Like I know there is auto aiming, but that is an accessibility setting on the steam version as well

[hasty plank]

Wtf

When did this happen??

[dawn pike]

Today

[hasty plank]

Crunchyroll has games??

[spring perch]

I'll verify the run that someone submitted in the next couple of days

And add a mobile category

[spring perch]

*years

[dawn pike]

It’s almost a new year which means a reinvigorated will to do another few hundred low% TE attempts

[spring perch]

I haven't verified your last run yet lmao

[dawn pike]

I don’t think I submitted anything, I don’t remember

Someone submitted something though I think

[dawn pike]

Clearly we need some new speedrun moderators for while the current ones a busy

[dawn pike]

https://wheelofnames.com/pwg-s66
I challenge anyone willing to roll the speedrun wheel

[hasty plank]

I think I know of a run that hasn't been verified yet...

[spring perch]

If only the moderator would moderate for once

[hasty plank]

Tsk tsk

[dawn pike]

if I was a moderator the run would have been moderated...

[dawn pike]

I think I'm going to respin the wheel

I'm feeling bored, someone give me a (reasonable) speedrun to do and I'll do it

[final seal]

sunrise%

[serene vale]

I'm late but warm%

[gritty fern]

whats uhhhh

the challenge

[dawn pike]

I nearly did warm% mountless lmao

[serene vale]

the low% is too engraved in your bones

[dawn pike]

It quite literally is lmao

Whenever I load up the game I instinctively play without mounts, avoiding all notes, and not picking up pins

I’m going to take a break from low%

Hi onkel

[dawn pike]

This is what I'll be doing

[dawn pike]

This is cancerous

I despise the mace golem

[dawn pike]

Smite I don’t see your point, Medal% Golden deathless is a very easy category

[slender matrix]

yeah same! just let me fetch my cheat save I got from Liam ...

(to clear things up: got none of those from liam no)

[dawn pike]

Speaking of Liam I think he had a few too many pints at the pub the day he made the mace golem…

(It has lots of health, is very quick, spawns the most bullets of any golem, and is at the end of a challenge meaning you may have run out of ammo/be low on health)

[final seal]

the humble poven and gelatops defense ability:

[dawn pike]

Only works if you get one of them

[dawn pike]

Bottom row of challenges done b2b deathless… fml only 14 to go

[dawn pike]

13 to go

12 to go

After beating the last row + 2 in a row, the mace ruined the run in timewarp.

[dawn pike]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q50zaBirpQc&feature=youtu.be
it was going so well

[serene vale]

Oh god I am so glad mace golem isn't in the base mode geez

[dawn pike]

got another run where I did the bottom row but I died in the boss of don't touch that

[spring perch]

skill issue

[dawn pike]

I’ll beat the challenge eventually smite, and upon that day I hope to see a new AllAchievements% category

and you’ll have a 6 hour Medal% Golden run to verify

[dawn pike]

I got a 7 min 30s perfectionist gold today

[serene vale]

oooh

[final seal]

wowz

[dawn pike]

In a few months I will be mentally sane enough to attempt “Smite’s Challenge” once again (all challenges in a row deathless/first try golden

[spring perch]

In a few months I might verify your run

[dawn pike]

Depends if I succeed on it ig

[spring perch]

I meant the previous one

[dawn pike]

I’ve not submitted any

Awry submitted a 100% iirc

[spring perch]

Oh right, it wasn't you lol

[dawn pike]

Smite is clearly unfit for speedrun moderator