UserK thread

[jaunty eagle]

That's a big if though, I don't know if it is community maintained or if relogic officially handles it

[hasty solstice]

yeah, ill go over there and ask around

#mod-development jumpscare 😨

ive fired my shot so ig ill see if i can talk to someone with mod knowledge

also imo a "Translation Open" channel could be good? so mods can easily label themselves as being translatable

[jaunty eagle]

I suppose so

[hasty solstice]

threw this on the wishlist

[jaunty eagle]

Perfect

[hasty solstice]

ive sent a msg to the guy who reportedly set up the workshop
heres hoping there will be a solution that lets us have safety stuff for unsafe mods on the workshop 🙏

[gray haven]

in order for this to actually do something it would need to be possible to check if a workshop item is meant to be hidden once its downloaded

and then youd have the issues of people manually uploading an unsafe mod publicly then hiding it later so anyone who downloaded it can run it

[hasty solstice]

the game already has an unsafe check when you download the mod

[gray haven]

idk if theres any way to make this safe easily

[gray haven]

yes but in order for the check to do anything you need to be able to test if the item is hidden or not

[hasty solstice]

cant you just check if the mod requests lifted restrictions?

[gray haven]

thats not enough information

if you add this feature then workshop mods with unsafe permissions will sometimes be allowed to run and sometimes not

[hasty solstice]

how? isnt that what the whole system is based on? if the mod.xml requests lifting the safe api, then its unsafe

[gray haven]

yes?

[hasty solstice]

how would an unsafe mod run unintentionally?

[gray haven]

the user sees the popup and clicks run anyway

people cant read

hence why they arent allowed to be on the workshop

[hasty solstice]

or bypass the check of "does the mod request listed API restrictions"

[hasty solstice]

the popup manually asks you to go over and click the glowing red unsafe button that then prompts you again if you do click it

[gray haven]

yes?

your suggestion is to allow them on the workshop if they are hidden by default right?

and im saying theres no way to enforce this

[hasty solstice]

oh yeah no i agree

i dont think its that big an issue cuz mods that attempt to bypass this can be spotted and reported to steam or smth probs
im saying that i dont think its a big enough issue considering (afaik) there have been no malware controversies in the modding community

out of curiosity, if steam does have this supposed default-hidden option for specific tags, how would uploaders bypass it?

i didnt understand when you explained it cuz i didnt realise we were talking about false upload not download

[gray haven]

part of that could be because you cant upload malware

[gray haven]

simply dont set the tags

whats the difference from steams perspective whether a mod is uploaded via the games uploader or manually

[hasty solstice]

im considering mods not on the workshop, i agree the workshop would make it easier but we still have had 0 cases in GitHub or modworkshop.net

[gray haven]

too much hassle to make it work

[hasty solstice]

oh right you can interfere with the upload process

[gray haven]

downloads plummet when a mod requires external dependencies

[acoustic spruce]

downloads don't happen when a mod is external

[gray haven]

so saying download malware dependency from elsewhere is just not worth it

users cannot be bothered

[hasty solstice]

surely theres some kind of thing that can be implemented beyond the local side that we cant access

[gray haven]

would require running code on steams servers

or routing every upload through nollas servers

[hasty solstice]

also yes im aware downloads from external sites are far lesser, im just pointing out that youd think thered be at least one or two people who try it anyway

[hasty solstice]

could tie unsafe restrictions to whether the mod actually has the tag

[gray haven]

you can just not bother with the mod part

the benefit of being a mod is you get to use the safe and trustworthy looking steam workshop to infect users

[hasty solstice]

would this not work
if nolla made it so mods downloaded now have the tags as a part of the downloaded mod, cant the game double check steam mods to make sure it has the tag AND the lift api restrictions?

[gray haven]

if they could include the mod tags in the download then yes

[gray haven]

^

however this still has issues with you adding / removing the tags to farm downloads

[hasty solstice]

?

[gray haven]

whats to stop conga from hiding apoth and uploading a new update with malware which gets autodownloaded by steam?

fixing the exploits around this seems like an awful lot of work

[hasty solstice]

if the state of Unsafe is changed according to mod_config.xml, disable the mod and force them to re-enable, once again prompting the message about unsafe mods

[gray haven]

people ignore warnings

i think you just need to kill the mod if it does that

[hasty solstice]

mmmm fair, make mods disallowed from changing their unsafe state

[gray haven]

yeah, but then you need to uninstall it

it could be nice if implemented properly, but it really doesnt seem simple

[hasty solstice]

mmmm i mean there might just be a steam API thing that lets you force uninstall a mod?
also it seems like you cant force-hide steam workshop items without the user being able to make them public again, so this idea is p much dead i think

[gray haven]

well you need to check if the mod is public when its installed

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/webapi/IWorkshopService doesn't seem to include a method for this

maybe im just looking in the wrong place

[hasty solstice]

im back now

basically we agreed that checking unsafe mod stuff on the workshop would be impossible without the devs doing a bit of legwork to make it work on Noita's end (which is unlikely)

BUT they also mentioned there was a malware controversy just last saturday and that steam might implement some kind of solution at some point assuming this becomes a problem

which if a solution is made on steam's side that resembles any kind of solution to noita Unsafe Mods on the workshop, that would be super super awesome

oh and aside from that IM FUCKING BLIND YOU CAN CHANGE WORKSHOP DESCRIPTIONS BASED ON LANGUAGE

[hasty solstice]

i might immediately put the skullflys project on hold while i reassess current mod project priorities

Parallel Parity too

i might pivot to finishing the QoL mod PR as that has a closer end to it imo, its mostly simple, has a clear goal and will be another thing off my checklist

from there, i would like to work on CC on another new patch, i need to look into if my planned implementation of Fungal Curse fungamentally works, since i couldnt figure out if i could make it

[hasty solstice]

@jaunty eagle i think if we're gonna ask for a language dropdown menu if and when the devs come back, then we might as well use a tag standard that makes sense for it- having every tag in the menu followed by "translation" would be weird for the menu, especially for longer languages like Brazilian Portuguese, also i think using caps looks nicer in that menu
so im suggestiong [Language],[Language], thoughts?

[jaunty eagle]

That sounds good, using capitalisation makes sense

[hasty solstice]

sure, i thought youd probably be satisfied with it since Apoth almost follows it already lmao

ill go update CC and Parallel Parity's tags then

[hasty solstice]

oh... thats, recursion...

[pallid magnet]

lava_lake

[hasty solstice]

i actually dont know why the previous ver broke but i do know what was wrong, works now

[jaunty eagle]

New desktop background dropped

[acoustic spruce]

my desktop wallpaper is still fucking covered in

[hasty solstice]

I remember that lmao

[hasty solstice]

unsure for spatial awareness coordinates if bottom left should be the origin or if i should be in-line with Noita coordinates

i think id like to make Above +1 and Below -1

[hasty solstice]

i should make a post in #1361811774634201318, will need more testing before i actually do it tho

might compile info on a wiki page somewhere relevant so i can more easily aggregate info on the phenomenon

and i just realised i didnt clarify im talking about pixel scenes and material lifetime

[hasty solstice]

i have been entirely sidetracked from Vertical Parity in order to add scope-warnings

i have also made it so the mod properly utilises scope to apply settings when relevant (previously theyd mostly just be immediately applied)

ill likely package scoping and vertical parity in the same update for the convenience of the translators- and in case i have any changes to make partway through while im finishing the other half

[hasty solstice]

recache tooltip data for extra lines

[hasty solstice]

i love it when im reorganising my code for modulation or something and it just occasionally leaves a massive fucking void while im working lmao

[hasty solstice]

okay how the fuck do the NextValue functions work for mod settings????

hold on lemme go pester moddev

[hasty solstice]

scoping is so nearly done 🙏

everything should theoretically scope correctly, i just need to finish coding the system that gives you a warning if the setting cannot be changed under the current scope

[hasty solstice]

okay so i need to have setting.description and setting.extra_line for when i have an additional note to display
i should then run both into generate_tooltip_data() to split into individual lines while also creating line breaks to prevent it from breaching the screen end
it is because of the line breaker that i cannot simply pass the entire thing to get the width and height
if theres a line break, i need to get the data back somehow, perhaps desc_data should have extra_line packaged in it, it should also be renamed to tooltip_data if so
from there, i can also have the colour table stored under tooltip_data.extra_lines
then have DrawTooltip() check for data.extra_lines and if it exists, add lines for data.extra_lines.lines and if data.extra_lines.c then use as colour table

i actually am already packaging extra_lines under the returned tooltip data so thats actually not a problem

[hasty solstice]

oh right i forgot to divide the colour values by 255 lmao

W it displays in-game now

unfortunately im doing scope wrong somehow

[hasty solstice]

fuck these changes broke the orb stuff

*broke

not fixed

fixed i just made the UpdateModSettings script call my (newly renamed) update_orb_count() script while not modifying the value of the orbs, rather than having its own incomplete implementation that doesnt do the extra stuff it previously didnt need to

lovely little function, just as a side note

hm, is scoping entirely done? ig i need to do testing now

oh right i need to finish dependent scoping and also fix the options for options settings not translate properly

[gray haven]

% max_orbs + 1?

[hasty solstice]

cuz if the max_orbs is 36, then modulating while at 36 will equal 0

[gray haven]

also ew globals

[hasty solstice]

its not a literal global

just a value i have at a higher level

outside the func so its persistent and used by other stuff

[gray haven]

yeah, but the upvalues here make it impossible to reason about the function locally

[hasty solstice]

?

upvalues?

[gray haven]

the function alone doesnt describe what it does

[gray haven]

values bound to a lambda

[hasty solstice]

it updates the desc for kolmi based on orbs

[gray haven]

but not introduced as arguments

[hasty solstice]

lambda?

[gray haven]

function

[hasty solstice]

ah, i mean its used by other stuff and needs to be persistent

[gray haven]

id stick it in an object

[hasty solstice]

its clear what it does by looking at it

?

[gray haven]

that way its at least somewhat clear what modifies it where

[hasty solstice]

object?

[gray haven]

table with some methods which you interact with without caring about the internal state

[hasty solstice]

like how i store everything under the ps table?

[gray haven]

well idk what ps is

the name is garbage

[hasty solstice]

its what i store global data under- i use ps name cuz its short and i grab global info from it in a few places that id rather not have be too long

[gray haven]

why not call it settings or something

also why prefix it with modid, within this context its surely the only settings

[hasty solstice]

cuz thats where i store my settings?

[hasty solstice]

im actually not sure if other mod settings stuff exists within this context, i thought better safe than sorry

and ive already made apoth compat with this global name

[gray haven]

how could it possibly?

is this your init context?

[hasty solstice]

this is settings.lua

im unsure if other mods here share a global context in any way so i thought better safe than sorry

[gray haven]

‽

[hasty solstice]

?

[gray haven]

how are mods appending if this is settings

[hasty solstice]

very easily, the system works and ive tested it

hold on

[gray haven]

do all settings.lua share a context?

no that cant be correct

[hasty solstice]

i mean honestly mods can just append settings.lua, so i add a hooke that makes it so if they do, i list them

DOES NOT WORK IN MENU

should clarify

[gray haven]

oh

[hasty solstice]

i just have a note here

sorry i realised the confusion partway through lmao

wish i found weird haxx that allowed mod settings appending within main menu, but alas, telling the player to enter a run first is the best i can do

[gray haven]

good warning text

[hasty solstice]

👍

wuh- i hate mod settings so much, just an unrelated thing
the second value is the current scope, it changed after i modified a setting lmao

gehhhh i need to figure out options setting type now

it basically works i just need to set up proper preset values and fix the option names not being translated

and then test :(

I LOVE WORKING ON settings.lua!!!!!

"hm yes, looks like you had an error around line 42908759802"
- Noita

also fun fact cuz i left the new options type setting on the vertical parity branch and then needed it for main branch, i had to also merge the settings lmao

472 are from the translations table i think

huh, amusing, exactly 333 lines of translateable text

OHHHHH i was trynna figure out why the numbers felt off

its cuz im counting every individual translation, not translatable text

actual numbers, okay yeah thats way more sane

(final correction)

[hasty solstice]

.help faq

[dusky mist]

Faq

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Usage:

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[hasty solstice]

.faq add tags in the workshop.xml file should not have a space after the comma, this makes the workshop fail to recognise those tags as it will read them as having a space before the tag, you can see this in how this steam page displays the first tag separately from the invalid ones, just a heads up o/

to fix you just gotta remove the space after the comma, so something like "quality of life,cheats"

(you can tell if a tag is invalid btw bc invalid tags will say "Tags: " before they're listed)

[dusky mist]

Added new FAQ command

FAQ: tags (Creator: userk)
in the workshop.xml file should not have a space after the comma, this makes the workshop fail to recognise those tags as it will read them as having a space before the tag, you can see this in how this steam page displays the first tag separately from the invalid ones, just a heads up o/

to fix you just gotta remove the space after the comma, so something like "quality of life,cheats"

(you can tell if a tag is invalid btw bc invalid tags will say "Tags: " before they're listed)

[hasty solstice]

just wanted to make the thingy clearer, and its my copypasta soooo

[hasty solstice]

man i actually hate these nextvalue funcs they dont seem to work consistently whatsoever lmao

i got a random-ass error earlier, and when i threw in some stuff to check why it happened, it disappeared

and i dont know how the error happened nor how to reproduce it

only that it randomly happened on init earlier

and for some fucking reason settings fundamentally arent being saved to the correct values

let me inject ModSettingSet to tell me what the setting is being changed to

fascinating

something is force-setting the NextValues

perhaps related to why scope is considered unavailable (this should be impossible in the main menu, which is where im testing this)

oh no nvm

my test is stupid and so am i

[hasty solstice]

i think i fully fixed this

i fixed it by purging what is i believe the majority of the remaining Nolla code (the set_defaults and save_setting functions)

the only remaining bugs in the main menu now are

• the scope warning does not show up the first time
• option names are not translated
• and scope warnings dont show up for options setting type
• scope warnings dont show up if a setting doesnt have a natural description

[hasty solstice]

i should reignite the thermodynamics debate again at some point

see if infernum has grown and changed as a person (no longer believes a thin layer of water will be insulating)

gahhh ill fix the stupid option names next

im procrastinating cuz im getting sick of dealing with settings.lua, or i was earlier

but im getting the itch to work on it again, the middle two issues- related to options setting type, those are likely simpler fixes, the translation is a weird bug that i can probs fix without too much trouble cuz ik i had it working at one point, and the scope warning thing i probs need to do some kind of special handling for it to work

then the not working if it doesnt have a natural description, thats weird but should be simple to debug

the main annoying bug here is the first one, scope warnings do not properly display the first time it should, im going to need to investigate why that is

oh right and i still havent even implemented dependent scoping

[hasty solstice]

okay, rewrite tooltip data again

change desc_data.lines from a table of strings into a table of tables and store all data in there, such as line colour and position
DrawTooltip no longer order the stuff itself, the offset is defined by generate_tooltip_data and DrawTooltip just reads from that
this makes the colour and offset of everything prebaked

need to do this to support having dynamic text- i need to create custom rendering for θ as it is not a standard part of the Noita font, i will likely need to render it by overlaying a - over O

[hasty solstice]

fuck pairs() doesnt retain numbered order

[hasty solstice]

fuck this shit-ass language why the fuck is θ split into ╬©, i thought this was the windows console sucking but like, no its just Lua or smth

WHAT

I- HUH????????

WDYMMMMMM

[hasty solstice]

i have nailed down which font GuiText uses (its font_pixel_noshadow)

[hasty solstice]

• the scope warning does not show up the first time
• option names are not translated
• and scope warnings dont show up for options setting type
• scope warnings dont show up if a setting doesnt have a natural description
• scoping is completely broken on my laptop, due to NextValue being nil or smth maybe?

[hasty solstice]

my settings.lua but if i removed every character standard to the english alphabet

i crashed vsc trying to undo.

[hasty solstice]

i mightve fixed scoping issues i think, asuming i did i will probs go straight into scope warnings showing up for the options setting type

motivation to work on this is waning, i might just push out the settings update and take a break once these bugs are fixed

[hasty solstice]

geh okay something makes my mod VERY upset when opening mod settings in a run

?????????????????????????? why are fonts weird

do i need to do something special to fonts when in a game? both instances are in the mod settings menu
when testing "mods/parallel_parity/fonts/":

• in Main Menu, it works fine
• in Run, game crashes
  i thought vanilla had issues as well but i was mistaken i put in the filepath wrong is all

the msgs make me think the game is maybe having trouble due to the font being loaded before the game even exists? ill test

okay, fascinating.

i have come to the conclusion if you load a font before the game refreshes all its assets, the game fucking kills itself when you try to use it again

[hasty solstice]

etching closer and closer to 2k lines

[hasty solstice]

also this is false apparently _dev just crashes if you load a custom font but only in a run

this update has added 464 lines to my settings.lua alone 😔

[hasty solstice]

back to testing scope warnings, now that ive stopped fonts from crashing in-game

[hasty solstice]

well thats all 5 bugs fixed

guhhh was there anything else i needed to do

[gray haven]

GUI_OPTION = GUI_OPTION

[hasty solstice]

ig test to make sure the scopes work

[hasty solstice]

i get annoying yellow lines if i dont

[gray haven]

just mark it as a defined global

[hasty solstice]

last 7 lines of my code

[hasty solstice]

its only in settings.lua tho

[gray haven]

thats not what your code does

[hasty solstice]

is there a way i can define it in the file using smth like the ---@ stuff?

[gray haven]

luals doesnt support multiple lua contexts

so currently its just defining everything globally but worse

[gray haven]

you can diagnostic disable but thats not ideal

the real solution is probably to rewrite settings.lua to not use any vanilla code

[hasty solstice]

it basically doesnt, i just keep the MOD SETTING SCOPE stuff cuz im familiar with it and use GUI_OPTION cuz its convenient and i dont wanna hardcode the values myself

[gray haven]

why not define them yourself?

[hasty solstice]

its not harmful yet so its fine

[gray haven]

that way you can have nicer types

[hasty solstice]

i dont wanna define gui_option and if im having that i might as well keep around the scopes cuz theres no real point in redefining them if i have to call the file they're from anyway

[gray haven]

why do you need to call the file theyre from

do you actually like using the vanilla settings system?

[hasty solstice]

so that i dont have to call gui_option myself

[hasty solstice]

again

i ONLY CALL THE FILE, for GUI_OPTION

[gray haven]

so you dont use any other vanilla settings features?

[hasty solstice]

and then at that point since im calling the file i dont really need to redefine the scopes myself since they're already done

[hasty solstice]

basically, its a nearly 2k line settings.lua

[gray haven]

you still get all of utilities.lua dragged in if you just dofile that

[hasty solstice]

i dont think i call on anything from the file ill check rq

[hasty solstice]

yea

ik

[gray haven]

i mean are you defining the callbacks that the engine calls

like do you dofile mod_settings.lua

[hasty solstice]

? mod settings interferes with callbacks? elaborate

[gray haven]

^ doing this is entirely optional

[hasty solstice]

what, dofiling mod_settings.lua? yeah i know

[gray haven]

so do you do it?

[hasty solstice]

yes

i dont use any of its functions, but i do dofile the script

[gray haven]

^ ??

[hasty solstice]

cuz it then dofiles utilities.lua

[hasty solstice]

?

[gray haven]

why not just dofile utilties.lua then

[hasty solstice]

GUI_OPTION is in utilities.lua

[gray haven]

well are you being called by it

[hasty solstice]

cuz if im dofiling i might as well grab the scopes while im at it

taking a detour to slide into mod_settings.lua doesnt cause any issues

i just drop by to pick up the scopes

while im omw to my destination (utilities GUI_OPTIONS)

mmmm ig i need to just test to see if scoping works in-game now

nvm new bug

maaaaan

hate this fuck-ass mod 😔

FUCK YOUUUU ITS THE SAME BUG AGAIN THAT DISAPPEARS WHEN I RESTART!!!!!

gah i cant recreate it, whatever

and now the scope desc i literally just got working broke again

fixed, it was caused by a single minor change i made earlier today when i thought i fixed smth

wow okay i got the error from before where my settings are corrupted

need to screenshot so i dont lose it this time

my guess is invalid scope parameter

[gray haven]

no type safety?

[hasty solstice]

HATE BUGS THAT DISAPPEAR WHILE IM TRYING TO DEBUG THIS

fuck this next time im gonna remember to make a copy of my mod settings .bin file

[hasty solstice]

weird rare esoteric bug resolved, scope was messed up cuz i forgot to make main menu an exception

perhaps i should just set scope to 0 if in main menu, or -1

mmmm is this fully finished? i think so

ive thought so every single time so far but genuinely what am i supposed to do

oh right i should test scoping ig

and make "Missing X translation" into an extra_line

[hasty solstice]

geh

[gray haven]

this should still be a defined global

[hasty solstice]

sorry youll have to consult the manager about that

[gray haven]

try type GUI_OPTION in another file

you will see

[hasty solstice]

i did

i already saw

horrid.

geh?? i cant pin in here???

[hasty solstice]

@novel plinth passive eba ping, can you pin this for me if you happen to swing by here? thx

@gray haven what is a gradian

and is this another format for the angle i can use

for polar coordinates in spatial awareness

[gray haven]

garbage

100 grad = π/2 rad

[hasty solstice]

that sounds great

oh wow

[gray haven]

base 10 angle system

400 grad in a circle

[hasty solstice]

yeah okay im fucking 1000% including this

thats so fucking dumb

[hasty solstice]

its beautiful

[gray haven]

why no revolutions?

they are an actually good unit

[hasty solstice]

i actually was thinking of just adding loads of different measurement options here, and then also having a "Random" option which picks a random one every time you restart your game

[gray haven]

rad, deg, rev are actually good

grad is garbage

[hasty solstice]

i was also thinking of making some up cuz like who the fuck is gonna notice

[hasty solstice]

this is the precise reasons its here :)

i would like to point out

[gray haven]

seconds

[hasty solstice]

ALL OF THESE ARE GARBAGE

[gray haven]

minutes?

if you can do trig in your head rad is good

you can ldt to spawn easily

[hasty solstice]

because these are supposed to indicate position ON A CARTESIAN GRID

[hasty solstice]

ig kinda but its still weird

[gray haven]

what is a cartesian grid if not a polar grid but they drew the grid lines really curvy for some reason?

[hasty solstice]

note that it will provide the coordinate of the parallel world, not the player

so it wont be like precise position within the PW

[gray haven]

close enough is good enough

dont measure cut twice as they say or something

[hasty solstice]

also i will probably release the spatial awareness pw counter stuff as a standalone mod as well

i need to head to bed soon lmao ill probs have this update out tomorrow

geh thats enough from me for today

managed to cut 44 lines removing Vertical Parity content from main branch (dont want translators to translate it until its actually a part of the mod)

[hasty solstice]

🙏

[hasty solstice]

.workshoptags

[dusky mist]

**FAQ: workshop_tags (Creator: nathansnail)**

tags in the workshop.xml file should not have a space after the comma, this makes the workshop fail to recognise those tags as it will read them as having a space before the tag, you can see this in how this steam page displays the first tag separately from the invalid ones, just a heads up o/

to fix you just gotta remove the space after the comma, so something like "quality of life,cheats"

(you can tell if a tag is invalid btw bc invalid tags will say "Tags: " before they're listed)

[hasty solstice]

@acoustic spruce may i have some assistance?

working with some silly spell stuff

to reduce spell bloat, would it be a good idea to make note instruments individually be their own notes and from there the pitch is determined based on stuff stored on the spell card's entity itself? determined by custom xml picking a random note value on spawn

im sorta concerned specifically about the action function

idrk know how spells work tbh

[acoustic spruce]

https://github.com/Copious-Modding-Industries/copis_things/blob/main/files/scripts/gun/functions/_utils.lua#L40-L55

[hasty solstice]

W

that'll help ill nab that

whats current_action?

is it just a global that will alway exist in the context of a spell or smth?

[acoustic spruce]

read gun.lua

[hasty solstice]

got it

forgor theres a bunch of global stuff explained in there

[hasty solstice]

@left pumice question, how feasible do you think it would be to reimplement the Fog of War mechanic to Noita with shaders?

Fog of War is just fundamentally limited by the fact if you go too far out, Fog of War disappears- theres just a fundamental size limit to the Fog of War area

[hasty solstice]

todo: test critical_damage_resistance=0 on the player dmc at some point

[acoustic spruce]

afaik it doesn't work even if you set it to 0 just due to having player components

that is why we had to reimplement crits in the first place among other things

[hasty solstice]

Doesn’t urine enable them tho?

[acoustic spruce]

No

I remember trying to do some funny shit with urine and it did not work

[hasty solstice]

Huh rip

[left pumice]

Sorry for the late reply, I check Discord infrequently.
Implementing fog of war is totally doable. If you can keep track of the explored areas in Lua, then the most effective way would be to update a small fog of war texture (10x20 would be plenty) each frame with a mask of the current on-screen area, and then use that just like the game already does.
The mask is small enough to pack into a single uniform as a bitfield, if you wanted to get really efficient.

[hasty solstice]

Got it, would you be happy to assist me with that at some point? I have no idea what I’m doing in this domain lma

[left pumice]

Sure, the shader side of things should be simple

[hasty solstice]

@hot rose how dialogue system work?

the dialog box kinda opens but immediately disappears, like i see a bit of it for 1 frame

[hasty solstice]

@vague orbit you made Bags of Many, right? currently trynna debug an issue between it and CC that prevents your bags from spawning
it appears you do some strange stuff reading a table that we override in CC, can you explain exactly what im looking at to better find a way to resolve this?

[hot rose]

is it on a lua component that runs every frame and has async enabled?

[hasty solstice]

oooooooooo didnt know that was required

ill do that, that makes sense in hindsight 👍

[hasty solstice]

this is noita related trust i just need to post it in a server with boosts so i can favourite it

[wheat zenith]

obviously Noita related, the disc-shaped object is of course!

[gray haven]

you need to add another comp to make the player valid

i love singletons

[hasty solstice]

wdym?

[gray haven]

gameglobalget

[hasty solstice]

i meant just like on the player, i heard from copi it doesnt work so i wanted to verify it since i thought i remembered hearing piss lets the player be crit

[gray haven]

make the player a boss dragon and it will work

[hasty solstice]

oh you meant make the player valid for crits?

i thought you meant like, valid in general lmao

thats funny

i wouldve thought DMC would be all thats needed for crits

[hasty solstice]

okay so i need to make a slider

things i need

• current value
• width of the bar
• display function
• save function
• snap to integer
• input

[hasty solstice]

.tags

[dusky mist]

**FAQ: workshop_tags (Creator: userk)**

in the workshop.xml file should not have a space after the comma, this makes the workshop fail to recognise those tags as it will read them as having a space before the tag, you can see this in how this steam page displays the first tag separately from the invalid ones, just a heads up o/

to fix you just gotta remove the space after the comma, so something like "quality of life,cheats"

(you can tell if a tag is invalid btw bc invalid tags will say "Tags: " before they're listed)

[hasty solstice]

.moddev

[dusky mist]

**FAQ: moddev (Creator: nathansnail)**

Introduction to mod development

• Wiki page: Modding

Various tools for mod development

• Text editor: VSCode | Nvim | kickstart.nvim
• Git: Website
• LuaLS: VSCode Extension | Github - LSP
• Lemminx: VSCode Extension | Github - LSP | Github - VSCode
• Lua definitions: Github
• XML definitions: Github
• Type definitions: Github

Mods for mod development

• Component explorer: Releases | Install Guide
  • Limited functionality: Workshop
• Spell Lab Shugged: Workshop | Github
• Conjurer Reborn: Workshop | Github

Various libraries which are often useful

• NXML: Github
• Smallfolk: Github

[hasty solstice]

.tags

[dusky mist]

**FAQ: workshop_tags (Creator: userk)**

in the workshop.xml file should not have a space after the comma, this makes the workshop fail to recognise those tags as it will read them as having a space before the tag, you can see this in how this steam page displays the first tag separately from the invalid ones, just a heads up o/

to fix you just gotta remove the space after the comma, so something like "quality of life,cheats"

(you can tell if a tag is invalid btw bc invalid tags will say "Tags: " before they're listed)

[hasty solstice]

.mods

[dusky mist]

**FAQ: mods (Creator: nathanskimscam)**

Some things are disabled if you have any mods enabled during a run. (The daily practice mode and nightmare mode count as mods for this purpose.) Notably, you can still get unlocks and ||achievement pillars|| during modded runs. Generally, the only things that are disabled by mods are:

• Steam achievements
• End screen stats being saved after winning a run
• Wands being saved in the bones folder for
• "The Gods Are Afraid" / "Very Curious" messages for dealing over 1 million damage and reaching negative HP, respectively
• The ||Cauldron|| or ||Eyes|| secrets appearing
  The https://discord.com/channels/453998283174576133/1020458521927630879 or https://discord.com/channels/453998283174576133/1177451453086974063 mods allows you to play modded runs without these restrictions, if you'd like.

[hasty solstice]

i think to ease back into noita modding im gonna tackle Vertical Parity a little bit

i had to remind myself how math worked, i felt very stupid for needing to test drive this in desmos

[hasty solstice]

i think my approach will be having vertical scenes handled by a separate script append from PW scenes

this avoids running too much unnecessary logic when vertical parity is disabled

so when scraping, i attach 2 additional entries per scene to a table under the main data table indexed by the top and bottom biome at that chunk's X location on the biome map

from there i handle everything similarly to the PW append but vertically, and then throw in some PW checks alongside it to work properly

this also means its less of a headache to get non-static pixel scenes like Holy Mountains to spawn as i desire

i definitely dont intend to modify the pixel scene functions, so im really curious what sort of nonsense the custom pixel scenes will spit out- probs nothing that interesting but who knows

[gray haven]

mysterious 14

at least name the constant

[hasty solstice]

its 14 in relation to biome map math, i know what it is

i probs will make a comment explaining it tho

but comments come after i get it working

[gray haven]

😭

comment just does the job of naming the constant but worse

[gray haven]

would anyone else

[hasty solstice]

i prefer comment, they're easier to ignore when i dont need them and easy to check if i do

[gray haven]

them being easy to ignore is exactly why they are kind of bad

if the comment gets outdated your program still runs fine

[hasty solstice]

maybe, i actually dont care much about how my code appears to other people unless i have a specific reason i need people to understand it

[gray haven]

its now just harder to understand

if you use a constant its very obvious that you need to update the name if you change the value

[hasty solstice]

why would 14 need to change? if 14 was changed then holy fuck so much of the game would be fucked

[gray haven]

what even is 14 from

[hasty solstice]

realistically changing that number would fuck up so much with modding and how the game's coded

origin of the world

origin relative to the biome map is middle of the X 14 pixels from the top

[gray haven]

isnt this defined by an xml file?

[hasty solstice]

i dont think so?

i never saw it in magic numbers or anything ever

i found it out by manually counting and testing

[gray haven]

what if someone else wants to contribute?

or learn from what you are doing

[hasty solstice]

if someone wants to contribute they'll need to figure it out themselves or ask me for guidance, if someone wants to learn then they can decipher the code themselves

like i said, there will be comments

i hate changing how i write code itself to be convenient for others, but i dont mind putting in comments if i think they're helpful to myself/others

a comment here works, easy to ignore if you dont need it, easy to read if you do

[gray haven]

by writing the code better you can remove the need for comments

[hasty solstice]

but i would rather have comments

i dont dislike comments, i actually quite like comments actually

it allows me to express my thoughts and intent in ways code cannot, i enjoy writing comments explaining my thought process or weird oddities about why im doing things the way i do

[tiny ravine]

This can certainly lessen it, but not so sure about removing it entirely

[gray haven]

here userk is adding a comment to explain what a constant is

other than for function doc comments and performance / other weird nonsense you dont need comments imo

[tiny ravine]

True

[hasty solstice]

ah apparently i was mistaken, its apparently defined in _biomes_all.xml

[hasty solstice]

.tags

[dusky mist]

**FAQ: workshop_tags (Creator: userk)**

in the workshop.xml file should not have a space after the comma, this makes the workshop fail to recognise those tags as it will read them as having a space before the tag, you can see this in how this steam page displays the first tag separately from the invalid ones, just a heads up o/

to fix you just gotta remove the space after the comma, so something like "quality of life,cheats"

(you can tell if a tag is invalid btw bc invalid tags will say "Tags: " before they're listed)

[hasty solstice]

@jaunty eagle how do you add custom orbs to noita? is it as simple as just "here's orb id, it detects whether its west or east by itself and updates stuff accordingly"?

basically im going to be making orbs spawn in above/below parallel worlds as well, multiplying the number of orbs in a world by 3, again, bringing total possible orbs from 36 -> 108

is there any special handling i need to do? or can i just put my own special orbs at the top and bottom of the world with their extended IDs?

also might be good to create a standard for mods to communicate extended orb counts

since Apotheosis adds orbs, so as is id need to do custom support- which im happy to do, but im worried about if other mods add their own orbs at some point

i just see some evil orb witchery here and im not sure if this is required to add new orbs or if its just unrelated stuff

[jaunty eagle]

More or less, yeah
The game adds 128(?) if an orb is in a west PW and 256(?) if its in an east PW to the orbs id.

[hasty solstice]

gooot it

[jaunty eagle]

That's unrelated to orbs, that's for a spell with orb in the name

[hasty solstice]

okay, im wondering if i should add 512(?) to the orbs i add

hmmm well itd be 512 and 1024

[jaunty eagle]

You could

[hasty solstice]

is there a good way to identify orbs and orb rooms? wondering how id need to work out correctling cloning orbs up and down

ig orb rooms would have to be manual anyway now that i think about it, since i need to be cloning them up and down

[jaunty eagle]

You just need to remember the id lol, there's no proper way

Is this for parallel parity?

[hasty solstice]

gooot it, yeah ill probs just make a table of orb rom- oh im now realising ill need some level of interference since pixel scenes wont naturally spawn the correct orb, ill need to add the orbs separately from their scenes as entities

[hasty solstice]

yeah, im adding vertical parity

[jaunty eagle]

Hmm

If you want the orbs to be pickable then, they'd just need a unique id

Something akin to bit shifting is probably the best way to go about it

[hasty solstice]

bit shifting?

[jaunty eagle]

Bit tracking/flagging is what I should say,
but for example, you could do something like having four 'bits'

0000
0001 being an orb is inside a left PW
0010 being an orb is inside a right PW
0100 being an orb is inside an above PW
and 1000 being an orb is inside a below PW

Left would be +128 to the current orb ID, right would be +256 to the current orb ID,
above would be +512 to the current orb ID and below would be +1024 to the current orb ID.
Then you could do something like 1001, or +640 (128 + 512) for a left & below PW orb ID

[hasty solstice]

ah yeah thats what i was suggesting

[hasty solstice]

with one being above and one being below

[jaunty eagle]

ah yeah

[hasty solstice]

i assume this means btw base game generally supports up to 128 base orbs?

0-127, and then +128 for east and +512 for west

or whichever

oh i wonder how negative IDs work?

really curious about limit testing orb IDs lmao

[hasty solstice]

i could not imagine coding with all my silly comments its one of my favourite parts about coding

[hasty solstice]

okay so

i need to loop over biome maps, then from there decide on a path of logic and assign stuff to target biome based on that
-# jarvis, throw up the wojaks, circle that in red and put "pathologic" on screen in a red circle

[hasty solstice]

.workshoptags

what

.tags

[dusky mist]

**FAQ: workshop_tags (Creator: userk)**

in the workshop.xml file should not have a space after the comma, this makes the workshop fail to recognise those tags as it will read them as having a space before the tag, you can see this in how this steam page displays the first tag separately from the invalid ones, just a heads up o/

to fix you just gotta remove the space after the comma, so something like "quality of life,cheats"

(you can tell if a tag is invalid btw bc invalid tags will say "Tags: " before they're listed)

[hasty solstice]

oh

.faq alias add workshop_tags workshoptags

[dusky mist]

Added alias - workshoptags for command - workshop_tags

[hasty solstice]

regex

[gray haven]

😡 negative lookahead

[hasty solstice]

idk what that means i just got smth that vaguely works and noted it here so i can use it in future lmao

[gray haven]

your regular expression is not regular

also you don't need to write it in such a way

[hasty solstice]

idk how to write it in a way that works i just mishmashed junk i found online and it worked

i just wanted ui_names which didnt start with $

[gray haven]

Ui_name="[^$]

Faster

You have a negative looakahead assertion for no reason

Might need a \

[pallid magnet]

but what if it doesn't have a newline at the end

[hasty solstice]

new script for spawning all orbs

local function create_orb(id, x, y)
    --print(("Creating orb %s at (%s, %s)"):format(id, x, y))
    local orb = EntityLoad("data/entities/items/orbs/orb_base.xml", x, y)
    local orbcomp = EntityGetFirstComponent(orb, "OrbComponent")
    if orbcomp then ComponentSetValue2(orbcomp, "orb_id", id) end
    local remove_comps = {
        "AudioLoopComponent",
        "CameraBoundComponent"
    }
    for _,targetcomp in ipairs(remove_comps) do
        for _,comp in ipairs(EntityGetComponent(orb, targetcomp) or {}) do
            EntityRemoveComponent(orb, comp)
        end
    end
end
local x,y = GameGetCameraPos()
local player = EntityGetClosestWithTag(x, y, "player_unit")
if player then x,y = EntityGetTransform(player) end
local orbcount = tonumber(MagicNumbersGetValue("NUM_ORBS_TOTAL"))
for i = 1, orbcount do
    create_orb(i-1, x + (i*10), y + 10)
    create_orb(i-1+128, x + (orbcount * 10) + (i*10), y + 10)
    create_orb(i-1+256, x + (orbcount * 20) + (i*10), y + 10)
end```

[hasty solstice]

hate nolla's pec animation system for not working on a per-frame basis so im gonna make my own that just generates a script that runs every frame to do stuff on the proper frames

so i will probably have to iterate over every G value and split them accordingly

gonna be using image functions, so to save on space- wait hold on

what if i use a script to fuck with this? ill give it a go

fuck yeah this works

[gray haven]

That is not the orb count

[hasty solstice]

?

[gray haven]

The orbs that are used have silly ids

[hasty solstice]

oh really?

[gray haven]

Quite famously

.faq search orb

[dusky mist]

Selected FAQ: Orbs

Creator: newalexgamer
All the Orbs in the game have a unique ID, going from ||0 to 10||, and you can't pick up multiple Orbs with the same ID. All the Orbs in ||West Parallel Worlds|| will have their IDs changed by +128, and the ones in ||East Parallel Worlds|| will be changed by +256.

Example: the Orb ||on top of the Pyramid has ID 1, meaning all Pyramid Orbs in West will have ID 1 + 128 = 129, and in East 1 + 256 = 257.||

[hasty solstice]

?

this seems to be what im already doing

[gray haven]

Smh this faq sucks

[hasty solstice]

it says 0-10

is FAQ wrong?

[gray haven]

Where is the id table

[gray haven]

Well clearly given there are more than 33 orbs

[hasty solstice]

yeah, cuz theres orb 11

[gray haven]

.data

[dusky mist]

**FAQ: data (Creator: nathanskimscam)**

data

[gray haven]

0..=11 and 13

13 being unused

[hasty solstice]

0-11 and 13?

[gray haven]

Also you can't trust mods to use sane orb ids

[hasty solstice]

arent i already doing all that except for 13?

true but like what am i supposed to do

[gray haven]

Yes, 13 is sort of bad

[hasty solstice]

13 is unused tho no?