UserK thread

[acoustic spruce]

luacomponent

can be on the status effect

I think

[hasty solstice]

shot scripts? is that a field on luacomps or smth?

[acoustic spruce]

yeah something like that

[hasty solstice]

oooo thats very good to know in general

[acoustic spruce]

shoteffectcomponent would also work but only for wands, as that interfaces with the gun system

shot script instead directly interfaces with the entity after it has been shot

and can affect non-wand projectiles

[hasty solstice]

oooooooooo i also wanted to do stuff with enemy projectiles so thats good

ill look into that then, and then i assume the function passes the fired projectile eid as a parameter i can modify?

this should be fairly simple to implement then, i just need to get the basic shrink stuff working first

[hasty solstice]

i think my mod is fully complete, all bugs appear to be taken care of, compatibility hooks seem to work and ive written up the documentation about as much as i care to

i think its fully feature complete, scary, i need to make a workshop thumbnail now

[hasty solstice]

scary evil horrid formatting

[raw linden]

yo wtf have i been mising??? this looks SICK

[hasty solstice]

return rift for when you accidentally hop into a parallel world

for my finished but unreleased mod Parallel Parity

geh maybe ill make a workshop image for it on the plane and upload it when i land

i wanna make the workshop image myself since this is my first proper mod that im releasing, only real mod ill have pushed out besides CC

and because im the sort of person who procrastinated this month-long project to like 9 months, i havent made it yet lmao

[hasty solstice]

worth noting btw!!!! the visuals for the Rift in the centre are from Evaisa used for the rifts in Fairmod, i just added the purple circle that closes in

[hasty solstice]

-# (also i hop between projects constantly, since yesterday ive been scheming up Multiplayer-exclusive perks and items)

[raw linden]

ic! but parallel parity seems to be coming along quite nicely! :)
all the work uve been putting into it is rlly admirable and im proud of u

super excited

[raw linden]

fairmod just casually being the pillar for all mods /j

[hasty solstice]

Parallel Parity is feature complete for release entirely as of like a week ago!

[hasty solstice]

genuinely have it pinned in VSC cuz its genuinely an amazing community resource

since its all like shitposts we just can ask to grab each others' work from it whenever, rifts are a very nice mechanic so i wanted to port it into Par for when you enter a portal to main world and want to undo it

[raw linden]

yeh

[hasty solstice]

btwwww on the topic of hyperfixations distracting me from Parallel Parity, thoughts?

-# i swear ill release parallel parity before the end of the year i just really wanna work on this too lmao

[raw linden]

oh yea i love stuff like this

whats a nearby ally again? is it just players?

[gray haven]

yes

[raw linden]

cool!

[hasty solstice]

just added this, this seems much more interesting than "take less damage when nearby allies"

gah i need to stop adding new perks the pool is starting to become bloated

[acoustic spruce]

Have 2 normal perks and 1 multiplayer perk

[hasty solstice]

yeah i use allies to retfer to players who arent the one who picked it up

[hasty solstice]

hmmmm jaybe, but i dont quite have that many perks yet lmao (yet)

[acoustic spruce]

Extra perks are random

[hasty solstice]

also some of these play off of regular perks in ways that would be more limited for MP perks

unrelated, but maybe at least for early testing phase could have 1 MP perk spawn for everyone so we can get into figuring out some basic limit testing

[hasty solstice]

i think getting 1 * #players multiplayer perks per HM is a bit much, but maybe every second HM? hmmmm

[acoustic spruce]

• perk that gives you more gold earned and gives allies a fraction of it
• perk that gives one buff while near allies and a different one when away
• perk that makes allies immune to your friendly fire and boosts your blast radius
• perk that allows you to revive allies for a bit when they die at the cost of some health

Etc

[acoustic spruce]

Last one: you need to go to where they died and interact

[hasty solstice]

perk that allows you to revive allies for a bit when they die at the cost of some health
this is already a mechanic in EW tho?

[acoustic spruce]

Does it look like I've played ew

[hasty solstice]

allies turn into zombies and you need to revive them

[acoustic spruce]

Yeah I mean like

[hasty solstice]

i dont rly like any of those ideas tbh lmao

[acoustic spruce]

They dont turn into a zombie until a delay has passed and you can shortcut it to just revive them

[hasty solstice]

buff for close vs near sounds interesting

[hasty solstice]

oh this isnt bad

10 second grace period for reviving players

[acoustic spruce]

Are there any maluses to being revived outside of the zombie?

Could also reduce those if you revive someone in that way

[hasty solstice]

you have very little health, thats a fair point

could increase the % of HP you have when revived

[acoustic spruce]

Revive them with additional HP

Yeah

[hasty solstice]

yeah

[acoustic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-helo-cat-yo-gif-16418172157826632603

[hasty solstice]

my main issue also btw was that the MP perks would show up too often and make vanilla perks less common lmao, but ig if all the perks are providing something of value on average it doesnt matter that much

i can just have normal perk spawning rules

[hasty solstice]

Idea for an EW mode, all start in PWs and beating Kolmi at the end unlocks portals to the other worlds’ starting mountains and its pvp

No idea if this would work well I’m just trynna think of ways to make EW more combative in interesting ways

And I wanna add pvp items spells and perks to multiplayer that wouldn’t work as well in a quickmatch style like Arena lmao

[hasty solstice]

had a fun time thinking up feature creep on the plane while i was creating the basic functionality

[gray haven]

gambit is too strong

[hasty solstice]

@wheat zenith would you be down to make some perk icons and whatnot for multiplayer perks?

[wheat zenith]

pergaps..

a lot of the time I end up working off of respriting so if you want you could make rough drafts of your ideas of the perk looks and I can go from there

alternatively though I can just make the perk icons if you don't have any particular ideas :p

[hasty solstice]

sure im so down to do that for some of them

[hasty solstice]

okay no im 100% releasing the mod before the year is up, im deathly ill so fuck making a proper workshop thumbnail ill make a temporary one that can stay until i have the time and energy to make the proper one

[novel plinth]

Ask copi to make one

You will get a banger for sure

[hasty solstice]

that is true, though it would be a temporary thumbnail

@acoustic spruce would you be willing to make a cool thumbnail for Parallel Parity even if its temporary?

and also before the year is up (within the next 3 days after today)

[acoustic spruce]

Uhhhh sure how good does it have to be

[hasty solstice]

not super! entirely up to you since i wanna make my own thumbnail later down the line, but also ideally want people to notice my mod existing before then lmao

though when i do add my own thumbnail ill probs still leave your art as one of the screenshots the mod page scrolls through

[hasty solstice]

@raw linden mod is TL ready btw!!! feel free to make a PR, the target files are standard.csv and settings.lua
https://github.com/FatalUserK/parallel_parity

also had a german friend of mine who i got into noita offer to translate it too so uhhh surely no conflicts will arise with the PRs :clueless:

[acoustic spruce]

oh I almost fell asleep before doing the image

speedrun time

[hasty solstice]

thanku

[raw linden]

me when i request a pull

[hasty solstice]

W ty

peak

[hasty solstice]

me forgetting to attach images

hmm, for some reason the csv stuff didnt work hold on

ah nvm

i was just stupid and my game went back to english at some point lmao

somehow didnt notice

W, translations merged

[hasty solstice]

fitting in a slight bit more feature creep for settings.lua

before copi or xplosy finish their stuff

@raw linden what colour do you want to be in the credits? can you gimme a hex value or smth?

also could you tell me the translation for Portuguese Brazilian Translation by (your name here)? thx lmao

(aaand maybe translation for Translation Credits, i should have thought about adding this all before asking you to already translate everything sorgy)

aaaand i also need "portuguese brazilian translation" translated too, forgot we're doing translation tags for workshop mods now

[raw linden]

Oops my bad, js saw all of this, gimme a sec

[hasty solstice]

ur good 👍
currently just working on implementation of this fancy schmancy new tooltip box

[raw linden]

1. the hex value could be #e092be
2. "Tradução para português brasileiro por Absent Friend"
3. "Créditos de Tradução"
4. "tradução português brasileiro"

[hasty solstice]

currently what the data looks like lmao

Tradução para português brasileiro por, got it

there we go

this should all be good ty

ill let you know when the mod drops

[raw linden]

awesumm

[hasty solstice]

right, i should cull that at some point

there we go that looks nice

just need to dull the yellow a bit

god just remembered im gonna need to account for diff fonts for CC cuz chinese translation, scary

i might further feature creep this later, but i wont fn, it serves its purpose and ive already had a few last-minute translations done for me lmao

[hasty solstice]

this looks good ill leave it like this (though of course with the german translations when he does them, also might swap Translation Credits and [Reset])

[hasty solstice]

the german translation is starting to scare me

[pallid magnet]

i had to add autowrapping to settings because of german

[hasty solstice]

im scared ill have to do the same

thank god this was not the name of any settings

i already have to manage newlines manually for some english descs, german descs shake me to my core

[hasty solstice]

@acoustic spruce coper may i perchance see progress? 👀

i got my new feature creep out of the way so im bored again :devastated:

[hasty solstice]

german translations reportedly nearly finished and likely done tomorrow 🙏

also tried convincing another friend into writing irish/gaelic translations because itd be really funny to support a language for which no translation mod exists making it impossible to actually view in-game (they said no 😔 )

and then copi thumbnail surely done tomorrow or day after, the mod will release

[hasty solstice]

oh yeah, strange thing to look into tomorrow: i cannot put tlcr below reset button

i suspect its my doing as i vaguely recall thinking smth like "oh it doesnt matter reset button should always be at the bottom anyway" or smth but idr what it was about so ill need to investigate what i neglected tomorrow

[acoustic spruce]

sorry was in a brief coma after being awake for a few days

uhhhhh

I have some sketching/layouting but nothing like actually usable right now

have a commission I need to do and some other things so I would not bank on me having something done honestly

[hasty solstice]

ah got it, back to plan A of shitty temporary thumbnail

[hasty solstice]

ah @raw linden you seem to have missed my note- thats mb i shouldve removed the translation when i realised the original text was wrong

the translation was changed to ```lua

en = "To Portal Room",
en_desc = "The portal leading to the fast travel room created by Syväolento (Leviathan)\n(Fast Travel portals are already Parallel-World Local)",```

the clarification that the Fast Travel portals are already PW local was the change

[raw linden]

my bad i missed that

[hasty solstice]

ur good, just lmk when you have a TL and i can throw it in manually myself 👍

[raw linden]

ptbr = "Para a Sala dos Portais",
ptbr_desc = "O portal criado por Syväolento (Leviatã) que leva à sala de viagem rápida\n(Os portais de viagem rápida já são programados para funcionar em Mundos Paralelos)",

this should do, i think

[hasty solstice]

ty 🙏

[hasty solstice]

im back on my computer again finally, back to real modding

[hasty solstice]

geh okay back to looking at the wretched multiplayer nonsense

i ran into an issue with crosscalls in that they dont run on the client that called it, im gonna do some more testing to verify

@tiny ravine does crosscall not occur on the caller's end or am i doing smth wrong?

[tiny ravine]

Crosscalls are entirely unrelated to networking

[hasty solstice]

i cant tell how this works my new thing is not working how i expect at all

[tiny ravine]

They always run locally

[hasty solstice]

okay, so they only run on the person who called it's end?

[tiny ravine]

You probably want rpcs

[hasty solstice]

like if i have 3 players and player 1 runs a crosscall then only player 1 will have the code run

[tiny ravine]

Yes

[tiny ravine]

Yes

[hasty solstice]

got it, how would i go about implementing this perk?
i subtract an amount of HP from everyone, multiply the total HP gathered and grant it to a single random player

or ig a simpler perk to get down first would be gold split

func = function(perk, taker, perk_name)
    local players = EntityGetWithTag("ew_peer")
    local combined_gold = 0
    local valid_players = {} --do this in case for some reason someone doesnt have a wallet to prevent me from needing to constantly check
    for _, player in ipairs(players) do
        local wallet = EntityGetFirstComponent(player, "WalletComponent")
        if wallet then
            valid_players[#valid_players+1] = player
            if ComponentGetValue2(wallet, "mHasReachedInf") then combined_gold = -1 break end --dont bother tallying up any more gold if its gonna be infinite anyway
            combined_gold = combined_gold + ComponentGetValue2(wallet, "money")
        end
    end

    if combined_gold == -1 then --if a player has infinite gold, give everyone else infinite gold
        for _, player in ipairs(valid_players) do
            ComponentSetValue2(EntityGetFirstComponent(player, "WalletComponent"), "mHasReachedInf", true)
            return
        end
    end --im considering making this actually remove inf gold from whomever has it and consider it as 2.1bil, but also removing inf gold might be buggy idk test later

    local gold_amount = math.ceil((combined_gold * 1.1) / #valid_players) --increase gold by 10%, divide between the number of targets, round up
    for _, player in ipairs(valid_players) do
        ComponentSetValue2(EntityGetFirstComponent(player, "WalletComponent"), "money", gold_amount)
    end
end```

this is a perk i wanna implement

it gets all the gold from players, adds 10% and then distributes it all evenly between everyone

how would i go about implementing this?

[tiny ravine]

Health would be easier I think

Because it's already synced so you can just do the relevant calculation on every player

[hasty solstice]

oh? i assumed this would be easier since then with health i need to select a specific player

well i cant just run the health one itself cuz it doesnt run at the same time for everyone

[tiny ravine]

You should first do a crosscall to get code running in entangled's lua context instead of whatever is used to run perk code, then call an rpc from here, and in rpc recalculate healt for the current player.

[hasty solstice]

if the code runs on one player's client and does the health calculations and modifications, the health will now be different when it runs on someone else's client- is the issue i ran into

[hasty solstice]

this is sorta what i was doing but clearly i didnt get it lmao

[tiny ravine]

Actually I'm not even sure if you need an rpc here, the perk might be synced on it's own?

[hasty solstice]

repo here in case you wanna take a look
https://github.com/FatalUserK/nld_tweaks

[hasty solstice]

in my experience, the perk seems to run on everyone's clients sequentially

[tiny ravine]

As in a function to add it gets run on client entity

Yeah that

[hasty solstice]

all i know is the perk does not work on its own without any special EW stuff

can i have you try to write the healthy gambit perk? cuz i really just do not get what im doing

i would love to have a clear cut example on how this works

[tiny ravine]

Does it currently work at least for one player?

Who picks it up, I assume

[hasty solstice]

i believe so

yeah though its kinda in a state since i was in the middle of implementing crosscalls

i can return it to the vanilla state rq so you can better understand what its supposed to do

[tiny ravine]

I think you forgot to pass the target argument to both of your rpcs

[hasty solstice]

target is an optional variable

if target is present then it only applies to target, else apply to all players

iirc

[tiny ravine]

util.add_cross_call("nld_player_multiply_health", function(hp, maxhp)
    rpc.players_multiply_health(hp, maxhp)
end)

Should probably by

util.add_cross_call("nld_player_multiply_health", function(hp, maxhp, target)
    rpc.players_multiply_health(hp, maxhp, target)
end)

[hasty solstice]

seems to work correctly on the client's end, and doesnt seem to run at all on the other players' clients? here ill push the vanilla ver rq

pushed to git

[tiny ravine]

Idk previous version seemed correct

Probably rollback to previous, add third argument again, and add the following:

rpc.opts_everywhere()
rpc.opts_reliable()

before every rpc function definition

So it's

rpc.opts_everywhere()
rpc.opts_reliable()
rpc.players_multiply_health = function ...

and

rpc.opts_everywhere()
rpc.opts_reliable()
rpc.players_modify_health = function ...

[pallid magnet]

everywhere was weird

it sometimes did work on the host and sometimes didn't, lmao

oh wait, it's per function?

[tiny ravine]

Yes

[pallid magnet]

that explains it

[tiny ravine]

It's kinda like a decorator in e.g. python

[hasty solstice]

prior ver was correct? i can give it another go

i just remember i gave up at the time cuz it was what i eventually landed on after nothing worked for ages and i had no idea what i was doing so i decided to handle it when i was home again

and Parallel Parity is out too so i have nothing else urgent to be working on

[tiny ravine]

Yeah I've checked and it seemed to work with these changes

[hasty solstice]

got it ill give it another look later

[hasty solstice]

got PW counter mostly working

has a weird offset from mountain so ill probs fix that later, lemme double check the font looks good

mmmmm 9 looks kinda awkward

oh well this is mostly fine, the offset is still present- whatever its probs intentional

ill investigate if its there in vanilla later, might be just that the mountain isnt in the centre (which would make sense)

[pallid magnet]

the mountain is not directly above hms

so prob there's that

[hasty solstice]

Yeah and origin point is to the left of it as well

[hasty solstice]

@wheat zenith thoughts? -123 chrs are vanilla, thoughts on the others?

[pallid magnet]

just flip 6 or smth

7 is also too sloped

[hasty solstice]

Flip 6? And hmmm I’ll try alt 7 later

[hasty solstice]

this actually looks cleaner than i though, sure

[hasty solstice]

hmmmm

7 looks better, i dont think i can improve 6 and 9 still annoys me i might tinker with it

[pallid magnet]

just flip 6 to get 9

[hasty solstice]

looks weird tho

[wheat zenith]

🤷 looks fine enough after you fixed the 7 slant

[hasty solstice]

sure ill probs leave it since idk how id improve it from here anyway

yeah this feature is basically finished

mmm no the original is directly above the mountain, which now that i think about how i changed the math it makes sense

[hasty solstice]

geh Teleport Anywhere still hasnt been fixed

[wheat zenith]

<3

[hasty solstice]

moon radar fix was also the easiest thing in the world to implement

didnt even need a new setting since i just turn it on if the moons are enabled anyway (having a separate setting would just create clutter imo)

mmmmm i should add Shadow Kolmi

[gray haven]

this is surely not ideal

you duplicate that pattern literally everywhere im sure

[hasty solstice]

how so?

?

[gray haven]

why not have some

PatchFile("data/scripts/perks/radar_moon.lua", "local moon_x = 0 + 256", "local moon_x = ...")

so you cant mistype the paths one of the times

or forget to update one

or accidentally gsub instead of modify

[hasty solstice]

oh nvm i thought you were saying there was an actual problem with the code

i cant be bothered to replace all the instances across the init

[gray haven]

it be very easy

[hasty solstice]

tru but i don wanna

[wise anchor]

is this like 3rd reinplementation of limitless PW counter?

[hasty solstice]

yes lmao

i was planning on adding it last year and heard QoL mod had one already but decided "idc im making a PW fix mod, im gonna fix PW stuff in it"

and then a standalone released days before i released Parallel Parity lmao

[wise anchor]

whoops

Fair enough though

[hasty solstice]

also just checked, the recent mod datafiles

and the dash is weirdly longer despite the vanilla one being 2 pixels wide

or not? the workshop screenshot portrays it as weirdly long but in the files its just 2 pixels i think, bizarre

yeah their implementation is slightly weirder imo, they dont account for some chars being diff sizes and whatnot, havent seen it in game but im glad i made mine from scratch

[hasty solstice]

@jaunty eagle couple Qs, first: apoth adds new orbs, right? does this mean there are new sampo names? second, does apotheosis mess with kolmi? like new/altered/removed attack patterns or anything?

mmm ill probs hold off on adding any of the new stuff im working on to par until i finish shadow kolmi so i can get the translators to translate everything in one go and then push the update out, ill work more on it tomorrow maybe

[jaunty eagle]

apoth adds new orbs, right?
Yes, it adds 4 new orbs to the world

does this mean there are new sampo names?
No, it does not, this was going to be a feature but I ultimately decided against implementing it

does apotheosis mess with kolmi? like new/altered/removed attack patterns or anything?
Yes, at 9 orbs he gains the ability to shoot a barrage of water-hex and circle of water-casting projectiles; and at 15 orbs his minions gain the ability to remove the player's shield similar to corrupt grounding mages (though I might buff this to apply vulnerability too, or at the very least give them health scaling to not die instantly)

[wheat zenith]

technically it adds 5 orbs if you count the one thats knowledge is not true, but rather is...

[hasty solstice]

So I don’t need to lift the orb cap for checking the name, but I do need to use Kolmi as a base for shadow Kolmi, got it

[hasty solstice]

amusing statistic of having more faves than likes

[pallid magnet]

totally normal

[hasty solstice]

oh thats surprising lmao

[pallid magnet]

people hate rating

[hasty solstice]

i guess so, i assumed it was gonna get overtaken eventually but ig not lmao

[wheat zenith]

this is my FAVORITE mod!!
...WOULD NOT RECOMMEND

[hasty solstice]

!!

[hasty solstice]

gonna stop spamming mod dev since i fixed my issue
new issue, kolmi spawns the portal in the wrong world lmao

[hasty solstice]

i am perhaps having too much fun

but then again, no such thing

[hasty solstice]

mmmm for some reason shadow kolmi doesnt properly play their music during the fight

but idk how much i can be bothered to fix that rn lmao

[wheat zenith]

do they have the boss centi tag?

[hasty solstice]

ill just fix the portal thing rq and call it a day and look at it later

ye

[wheat zenith]

I think it's tied to that and picking up the sampo

[hasty solstice]

hmmm

does the sampo need to have the mcguffin comp for the music to work?

or rather

does the sampo need to exist?

[wheat zenith]

idk man..

[hasty solstice]

hmmmm

ill tinker with it tomorrow

[wheat zenith]

I mean.. parallel world bosses don't play aanny music.. soo...

[hasty solstice]

oh right i dont delete the sampo atm do i, it just sorta hangs out in your inv invisibly

[hasty solstice]

true but picking up the sampo starts the music lmao

it then just sorta awkwardly fades out

[wheat zenith]

ah yeah

it does do that

[hasty solstice]

and its a custom script so i could just remove that, but i also just want the music to play lmao

[wheat zenith]

pretty sure it's a hardcoded weirdness thing for the most part

looks for specific stuff to play the music

[hasty solstice]

annoying, bet i could probs find an alternative way to play it tho

[wheat zenith]

ehhh... maayybbe...

[hasty solstice]

ill tinker with stuff tomorrow, if its tied to the sampo then rip me, but i think its probs not so i gotta figure out what else it could be in that case

[wheat zenith]

reminder to that one time I tried setting the miniboss theme to be a biome music, and then ended up with this instead, due to it probably requiring its normal playing circumstances to play properly
#mod-development message

[hasty solstice]

thats funny

ah, got the portal working, but NOTE TO SELF!! the chunks that breka off kolmi are the wrong colour and still need to be affected

yeah this is a sufficient amount of work done today

mmmm slight additional thing, rewrote the setting name and description since kolmi is now properly supported in PWs

or will be in the upcoming update at least

mmm "dark reflection" feels like its implied to be different from regular kolmi, i shall rectify that tomorrow

[hasty solstice]

evil and nefarious

this should work

actually i wanna include mcguffin_14

if i start getting translations for nonstandard languages then ill need to implement custom handling if the translations dont do this random unused line

[hasty solstice]

oh right, i forgot i need to find a way to detect when the mod settings menu is opened since ModSettingsUpdate isnt called more than once after you open the menu for the first time during a game

[hasty solstice]

stupid bs i do for my needless feature creep no one will ever notice

need to cache the original text or else i cant find the thing i need to replace cuz ive already replaced it and data isnt flushed when i reopen settings

[hasty solstice]

chunks coming off kolmi is the only missing thing i think beyond translations, might be annoying tho since ill likely need to modify kolmi's death script based on entity's name

[hasty solstice]

i think this feature is finished

i refactored the location of the shampo, added the new chunks, portal loads

ill wait on my german translator before i pester emi

speaking of which, @abstract basin you should do that

[abstract basin]

https://tenor.com/view/kyaru-karyl-chat-bubble-gif-26344022

[hasty solstice]

rat

[hasty solstice]

im adding a recommended preset for settings, and its making me wonder if i should recode the reset_button system to instead have a table of presets that mimic the setting structure, but that feels more annoying to maintain- no nvm the current system of storing preset data on settings is fine i dont think ill add any more anyway

[hasty solstice]

huh, fun little fact, the button click cooldown that annoys me? it doesnt exist for multiple choice buttons when right clicking to go back
you are throttled when trying to left click spam on the general options lang setting, but spamming right click lets you skip through settings to your heart's content

new settings feature creep finished

i have an idea for a new one but idk if i actually care enough to add it- holding shift lets you click a category to enable/disable all bool settings in it

[acoustic spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1099445631514316871/1288756487702974525/20240926_085751.gif

[hasty solstice]

feature creep is fulfilled, im bored again german translator get germaning!

[hasty solstice]

this is real and factual (i have no idea what this means)

[acoustic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/modded-modded-minecraft-minecraft-draconic-evolution-cardboard-gif-10489911750658453176

[hasty solstice]

this seems like a good idea for a feature, ill add this to the settings menu next

thx for the idea 🙏

[acoustic spruce]

splendid

[hasty solstice]

if you type the code fuckingkillme while in the settings menu, when you enter the game it spawns 500 nukes on your location and then entitykills you for good measure

[hasty solstice]

RIGHT Kolmi Varjo needs an icon, hold on

[wheat zenith]

I am wondering.. why is parallel kolmi not the consistent color? did you just not want them to be the same?

[hasty solstice]

its kinda consistent colour in thats its purple, beyond that i just felt like doing my own lil touches

well i didnt change the sprite just the colours, but i think it looks nicer

not too strange for a clone of the final boss to be diff from other boss close in a slight manner like this

beyond that i considered removing their eyes (to be more in line with Three-eyes minion) or making them emissive, perhaps ill return for a touch up on the visuals in the future

[wheat zenith]

my first thought would be keeping up the trend (ignoring blindness master lol)

[novel plinth]

average copi spell when the modpack has psi

[hasty solstice]

yeah but like i said, i wanted to do my own thing- i personally like purple and preferred to make it closer to a colour i liked, plus i dont think i need to follow the preset design 1:1 as the context is different- shadow alchemist and pitboss both are variants that spawn throughout PWs
Kolmi spawns at their usual location in PWs, which for other bosses they keep their textures the same, i just changed it to differentiate it from the original and to theme it as being a shadow kolmi

[pallid magnet]

rgb kolmi

[hasty solstice]

.workshoptags

[dusky mist]

**FAQ: workshop_tags (Creator: nathansnail)**

tags in the workshop.xml file should not have a space after the comma, this makes the workshop fail to recognise those tags as it will read them as having a space before the tag, you can see this in how this steam page displays the first tag separately from the invalid ones, just a heads up o/

to fix you just gotta remove the space after the comma, so something like "quality of life,cheats"

(you can tell if a tag is invalid btw bc invalid tags will say "Tags: " before they're listed)

[hasty solstice]

geh, why??

why does german go off-screen but english doesnt?

[novel plinth]

german moment

[hasty solstice]

yeah, tis fixed- issue was i forgot to account for the thing i made a specific mental note that i should account for when i started writing the code
(i forgot to account for nested setting indentation)

[abstract basin]

https://tenor.com/view/gumi-steamhappy-megpoid-sunset-beach-gif-12654672372104002339

[hasty solstice]

@raw linden first of all, @abstract basin says hi
second, german translations are done and the update with them has a few new things to translate if you're down
thirdly, how often would you like me to bother you about translations? whenever a new feature is added, or only like every once in a while after a few have built up?

(repo link)

[raw linden]

heloo @abstract basin
i dont mind the pings for translations ! whenever a new feature is added is cool by me 😎

[hasty solstice]

got it 👍

[hasty solstice]

geh ive been pushed out of the short Most Recent tab on steam workshop main page :devastated:

and thus Parallel Parity was never installed ever again 😔

guh, concerning, apparently something is breaking the pixel scene system (especially concerning since its supposed to be quite robust i think)

ik its not in base mod at least- or it doesnt seem like it

[hasty solstice]

ill always be curious what happened on jan 6th

[hasty solstice]

im heading to bed now, @raw linden i assume the TLs will be done (at some point) tomorrow? or do you think they'll take longer?

[hasty solstice]

im having fun

[raw linden]

LMAO stuff like that used to happen to my mods from time to time

[raw linden]

yea ill work on them inn a bit ✅

[raw linden]

what 'murky' sense are u thinking of @hasty solstice

"the $0 dissolves into a murky shadow[...]"

also whats the context behind "$0" what word would be there? i kinda need to know that since portuguese is a gendered language

nvm im fucking stupid

theres a comment i couldnt see LOL

[raw linden]

okay i found a word that works the same way as murky, its all good now

pulled requested sented

[hasty solstice]

geh i went to lie down while eating when i got home 5 hours ago, and my cat came up so i decided to sleep until she was gone and uh- yeah it took 5 hours lmao

[hasty solstice]

lmaoo i was surprised i didnt leave a comment about that since i remembered i did try to leave comments where $0 was used

[hasty solstice]

i know you finished, but sorta like a dark-goopy sense? when you try to pick up the shampo i replace it with a particle emitter that spawns particles in the object's shape and they hang in the air for a moment before falling to the ground

[raw linden]

coolio coolio

[hasty solstice]

mmmm thinking i might replace the first word with "But" because the game actually prints that you picked it up before my one plays- but i probs wont think about that rn, lemme look over the translations and merge rq

fuckin german, "Hm? Pyramid Boss? Ohhh you mean the Pyramidenboss"

[acoustic spruce]

This bozo doesn't have setting profiles

[hasty solstice]

i do have a recommended settings preset button

[acoustic spruce]

"Faithful" for close to vanilla, "Extreme" for memes and shit, "Tourist" to ramp up spawn rates and shit

"Default" etc

"Remix" and whatnot

[hasty solstice]

lmao unfortunately my mod is not varied in its configurations to really earn more than 1 preset

[acoustic spruce]

Add more config

[hasty solstice]

basically just Default or Recommended atm

[acoustic spruce]

So much config that you can make it a whole ass different mod

[hasty solstice]

what would i even add config for tho

[acoustic spruce]

Set spawn rates of things
Set damage mult on things
Enable disable spawns of some fixed stuff
Etc

More gameplay focused change toggles and whatnot to make a more tuned experience

[hasty solstice]

i dont spawn anything
there arent enemies

this is the mod that lets pixel scenes spawn in PWs

theres just toggles for whether X should spawn in a PW

[acoustic spruce]

Shadow kolmi looks enemy shaped to me

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-12-emoji12-cat-stare-stare-cat-uhh-gif-9567425571520721039

[acoustic spruce]

(Ignore me realizing this after)

[hasty solstice]

its just a copy of main world kolmi

[hasty solstice]

yeah i guessed after seeing the specific stuff you were recommending lmao

[acoustic spruce]

Do this for cc

[hasty solstice]

true, though i think itd just be better for CC to have default be recommended settings

and then if you want more chaos you just turn on Terror mode

i might make a mod setting preset saver, that could be fun

glad i put in the time to make the line-break stuff lmao

now its time to- fix a dumb bug i spotted earlier why is my code not working

for some reason my code is failing to remove kolmi from PWs when they're disabled

merged, btw @raw linden the sampo comment was supposed to be for other translators too lmao

ive added it back now, just found it amusing

also apparently i didnt finish typing "Sampo" somehow??? no idea how i managed that lmao

[raw linden]

LMFAO

[raw linden]

im a dumbass i thinnk i wanted to just delete the needs ptbr update comment

☠️

i am the most reliable mod contributor 🔥

i can be trustedd around comments

[hasty solstice]

hell yeah 🔥

time to go to dev hell for 4 hours so i can find the minor typo thats breaking my mod before release

absolute cinema btw

should really fix this main menu bug at some point...

something something if mouse position is outside of the inner bounding box, assume its position is 0,0, that works

gah wait no

i detect this via guigetprevginfo, so mouse position isnt considered at all

instead ill need to provide a custom check

oh god

[pallid magnet]

oh yeah, a classic "is this within the border" check

[hasty solstice]

how do i get mouse pos in the Gui from the main menu

[pallid magnet]

why do you need it

[hasty solstice]

Gui scale can change so i cant rely on that for a constant

[hasty solstice]

to know if the mouse is inside of the inner bounding box of the mod settings menu

[pallid magnet]

isn't height always the same

[hasty solstice]

?

[pallid magnet]

or at least some percentage of the screen

definitely not arbitrary

[hasty solstice]

yeah but like i can only get Gui screen size and absolute mouse pos

how do i know the scale at which to convert absolute mouse pos to gui screen size

[pallid magnet]

so if element's y > max or y < min then not render

[hasty solstice]

but how do i know where that is

[pallid magnet]

guigetprev?

[hasty solstice]

these are both using different scales which can change in ways i cant tell

[hasty solstice]

oh like have one over the entire mod settings bounding box?

that could work, wouldnt need to manually check mouse position

[pallid magnet]

you also gonna need min and max tho

[hasty solstice]

i know the gui min and max its fine

or i can figure it out, that parts easier since i already did stuff similar to this yesterday with the line break stuff

changing rendering stuff while the games open is always amusing lmao

this is apparently the main menu? or mod menu? idk this is what i got after exiting mod settings (mod settings deleted all UI elements except a bunch of text ones, which it overlayed all of them in the top left)

W, this works

also genuinely no idea how i landed on +20 as a magic number

if it creates it from the upper left, then the value should be -170

since the box is 340 wide so if i get the centre and then offset to the left, thats half the screen minus half the box area

and yet 20 works

fuck wait no why

why is it weird :(

GAH i cant figure out how the height works

i also have no idea why the X is off i should investigate that and then bother nathan about the Y positioning for the mod settings

GAH

IM DIVIDING THE SCREEN WIDTH BY 5 NOT 2

[hasty solstice]

@pallid magnet before i pester nather to go into the engine and find out for me, do you happen to know how the Y position of the mods menu works? or do you have experience with finding out stuff like that?

im trynna compare % of the screen down it is but im not really getting anything consistent

[pallid magnet]

i think i have mines hardcoded

[hasty solstice]

fuck

@gray haven natherrrr its been a while, can you do a thing for me? :D

do you have any idea how the Y position of the Options Menu/Mod Settings Menu is decided?

mmmm figuring out the localisation error, it seems to break when modifying multi-line strings of code?

yes, the two errors were from the only targets which are multi-line

for kolmi- it shouldnt have been multiline anyway tbh i fixed that

but the gourd room i would like to fix

[gray haven]

It's in lua no?

[pallid magnet]

the window itself is not

[hasty solstice]

what, the settings menu?

trynna figure out the height calculation for the window itself

[gray haven]

Oh that

Didn't i do that for credible settings?

Or did i not get that far

[hasty solstice]

idk

i dont remember how far you got in that lmao

[hasty solstice]

@gray haven did you figure anything out?

[hasty solstice]

natherrr i fixed the other nonsense that was going on, do you know whats up with the mod settings menu?

mmm ill fix it in a patch whenever you get back to me

[hasty solstice]

i should make it so holding Control replaces the [Reset]/[Recommended] buttons with an [Off] button which just turns off every feature in the mod lmao

[hasty solstice]

love my silly horrid little mod doing silly horrid little things

[hasty solstice]

stupid-ass settings

nothing = default
shift = recommended
ctrl = off
ctrl shift = on

wait okay now i wanna steal- fuck hold on hmm

i wanna make it so you get one of those fairmod steam achievements for doing this, but mod assets aren't available in the mod menu

fuuuck nolla pls just let us access mod assets from main menu, this would surely be easy to implement 🥺

[hasty solstice]

im now adding feature creep wherein the On button increases the internal settings value for orbcount

[pallid magnet]

ive lost the plot at this point

[hasty solstice]

if it makes you feel better, the Off button decreases it

[hasty solstice]

took more effort than i thought

but it works!!

[raw linden]

hell yea

[hasty solstice]

i think the fact you can go into a game,
have the mod settings menu in-game react to your orbs when displaying the name of the sampo,
be able to press CTRL and CTRL + SHIFT respectively to reveal the [Off] and [On] buttons
and then clicking them decrement/increment the settings orb count
is really quite dumb lmaoo

i think this is the most absurd feature creep in all of noita modding

verified, there are 0 errors in logs (aside from vanilla _dev being silly)

[raw linden]

dats honestly quite amazing

[hasty solstice]

it is quite lovely

[hasty solstice]

i just need to decide on descriptions for the on/off buttons, send it off to you and Xplosy for TLs, and then merge your PRs (i also saw your made a ptbr improvement PR a bit ago, ill merge that after the new TLs o/)

[raw linden]

i need parallel parity in every single language in this world

i love LANGUAGES

[hasty solstice]

TRUEEEEE

need to make a prompt every time you open a game that advertises for translators to translate it

[pallid magnet]

i can add two translations, but i'm not even doing that for my own mods

chatgpt go brr

[hasty solstice]

would rather not use machine translation lmao

if i did add MTL, i would probs have a setting to change it back to english in case the player doesnt like it

[pallid magnet]

players should play in either english or finnish

[raw linden]

yea ive thought abt machine translations but i feel like some of the translations could end up being nonsensical because ai isnt gonna know noita references etc

[hasty solstice]

why english, pure finnish

[raw linden]

we need to go back to latin

[pallid magnet]

oh, it does know

and you can add a context for your mod or whatever

[hasty solstice]

yeah MTL is nice in concept but human TL is just better imo, and ive seen really poor MTL for stuff from other langs into english

[pallid magnet]

but yeah, lately i think leaving just english is fine

let them learn

[hasty solstice]

ehhh i dont like that mindset cuz then id have to learn like 5 other languages to see all the stuff i wanna see

[raw linden]

ig yea,
ig it could help somewhat, maybe ud just have to fix the stuff it gets wrong

[pallid magnet]

skill issue

i watch anime in og 🐍

[hasty solstice]

same but with subtitles lmao

[raw linden]

yea ive been learning japanese for 2-3 years and i still am nowhere near fluent enough to enjoy everythin i wanna experience

[pallid magnet]

subs were so bad in 2000s

[hasty solstice]

dont wanna learn japanese korean and chinese as well as like whatever additional languages i dont know stuff comes from are in

[raw linden]

lmfao yeah i tried finding subs for azumanga daioh and that shit js does not exist

[hasty solstice]

do i hear CC and Par japanese translator in the making?? 👀

[pallid magnet]

i am native japanese btw

[raw linden]

hopefully 🔥 lamia can probably already do that tho?

[pallid magnet]

but hell nah

[raw linden]

i did not know this loool

[raw linden]

brutal...

[hasty solstice]

same lmao

[pallid magnet]

idk, always hated translating stuff

my best is correcting wrong subs for my wife when we watch smth

[hasty solstice]

ive never had to translate so i cant comment lmao

i used to know french, but i havent known a lick of it since i was 3

[raw linden]

ive always struggle with translations ngl

[pallid magnet]

smh, englishman

[raw linden]

its because youre Bilingual, Mr UserK. /j

[pallid magnet]

how does it feel to use your native language on the internet, huh?

[raw linden]

Monolingual**

fucked up the joke

[hasty solstice]

we moved to the UK and i tried speaking french to people, no one understood, and then i just dropped it entirely

[hasty solstice]

i was confused lmao

[raw linden]

its okay,, the french dont deserve to be spoken to...

[hasty solstice]

very convenient as opposed to not i imagine

[hasty solstice]

true...

one of my mom's greatest regrets is not trying to keep me speaking french

wouldve been cool to have my own translations i can contribute to my mods (and maybe others), i wanna learn a lang at some point but like- i was using duolingo for a while and the app just changed and got so much worse over time i stopped

[pallid magnet]

i've picked up my second language when i was 12 or 13 i think

english is far harder for me rn, ngl

[hasty solstice]

this seems good i think

[hasty solstice]

oh yeah i think i seem to remember you making a few typos here and there when you were getting into modding maybe?

[pallid magnet]

i still do, lmfao

[hasty solstice]

much less often tho lmao

[pallid magnet]

i mean, i do use it quite often now

only started using it here, lol

[hasty solstice]

yeah, i imagine being active here helps polish english skills lmao

actually curious rq hold on

huh, nvm

theres no rule against speaking other langs like how a lot of servers have

i was curious if the rule allowed Finnish but i guess anything goes lmao

added the TLs btw @raw linden, lmk when the PR is ready o/

[hasty solstice]

(coding in a slight bit more feature creep, i might get back to you on translations for this at some point)

[raw linden]

polish english...

[hasty solstice]

words should not be allowed to have more than one meaning 😔

I HATE STEAM

WHY DOES OPENING STEAM ON ONE DEVICE CLOSE IT ON THE OTHER IT MESSES WITH MY MODS

evil evil program

[raw linden]

steam is silly

[hasty solstice]

time to go manually enable my mods again 😔

[pallid magnet]

it does?

i think i used to have it opened on two pcs

[hasty solstice]

seemingly, since this has been happening to me ocnstantly since i got my laptop

[pallid magnet]

i just couldn't play games simultaneously

[hasty solstice]

ive only been experiencing it for the past few weeks

yeah no when i open noita dev on one device and the other device has a game open, it also fails to prompt me to close the game on the other device cuz i opened noita via exe or smth? but it DOES prompt me to sign in again on the device i opened noita on
clearly it knows smth is going on, it just gives me the wrong thing??

i also only need to complete the sign in to play the game, if i close the game, close steam and reopen steam, i can use it without signing in again

[pallid magnet]

well, yeah
don't open exe manually

[hasty solstice]

ah yes let me go edit my steam launch config every time i want to change between _dev.exe and regular

also GEH this little rat from CE prevent me from clicking with CTRL + SHIFT

tested, my new additional detail is that 14 orb sampo name only shows if you actually have 14 orbs, On/Off buttons just set it to "Amulet of Yendor" if you try

geh @raw linden just realised i didnt push, desc for on should be Turns on all settings!\nSurely how the mod was meant to be played., i pushed it now so you can pull it if need be

[raw linden]

yeh thats no problemo

[hasty solstice]

wait new change maybe i should check my current commit before i open my big mouth lmao

pushed fr now

much appreciated 🙏

[raw linden]

alr ty i was losing my mind w git

i rlly need to learn how to properly use this thing LMFAO

😭

[hasty solstice]

lmao the git experience lmao

are you on GitHub Desktop?

[raw linden]

nahh

is that better

[hasty solstice]

okay, you are going to hate yourself for not using it sooner

[raw linden]

guh...

[hasty solstice]

much

[raw linden]

alr ill check it out

[hasty solstice]

to pull the latest ver of stuff, you click the "Fetch origin" button twice and you're done

to commit something, you write a summary, click Commit to main, and then click the Fectch origin button once

(fetch origin button name changes but itll be in the same spot)

i personally find it very convenient to work with

[raw linden]

yea that seems nice, ill start using it

ty 🙏

[pallid magnet]

git desktop sucks

[hasty solstice]

i like it, and its good for non-programmers

[pallid magnet]

just use built-in git in vsc

[hasty solstice]

ie someone who just uses git to do translations for mods and whatnot

[pallid magnet]

who uses git for translations tho

[hasty solstice]

i find it very convenient and easy to work with- especially considering i use git for none- vsc stuff, so that wouldnt work for me

[hasty solstice]

all of my translators do

they make PRs with their translations

[pallid magnet]

you are torturing them

[hasty solstice]

if they wanna just hand me the file idm

but they just naturally gravitate towards git
at least one- maybe two of them didnt even reach out to me, they just made a PR for CC without saying anything lmao

the chinese translator did that at least i think, SingularityNeko i believe

i only noticed cuz i got a notif from my gmail probs lmao

emi typing up a storm

[raw linden]

i feel like if i were still truly dedicated to all this programming/coding stuff id probably just use git on the command prompt or whatever like ive always been doin but this seems easier so ill probably switch to it

[raw linden]

lmao nahh

[hasty solstice]

git probs is a lot more powerful in the command prompt and if you continue doing programmer stuff its probs the best way to go
but i just love github desktop its just very convenient- it allows for pulling, pushing, forks and merging, and im not so sure ill really ever have a need for anything else

[raw linden]

yeppp

[hasty solstice]

it sorta has trouble with submodules which is annoying when im adding a lib like nxml or smth, but its fine cuz you can just open the console from github desktop anyway

so when that happens i can just go figure out what the submodule commands are again and do that

xplosion said he'll do the on off TLs so ill probs release this patch when hes done

also i still need to pester nathan to figure out the options menu height calculation later (he disappeared last night and didnt get back to me 😔 )

[hasty solstice]

hmmmm i guess ill go test my mod while i wait on german translations 😔

someone was reporting the mod not working for them, they had Apotheosis and New Enemies installed (i could see the cause being either of them)

OH RIGHT yeah no it wouldnt work with apoth

mods that add their own biome map need to add it to the list of biome maps in Parallel Parity's init

[hasty solstice]

@jaunty eagle PR to merge and fix Parallel Parity Apotheosis compat
https://github.com/Conga0/Apotheosis/pull/86

i swear i double, triple- maybe even quadruple checked to make sure the PR was sane 🥺

[hasty solstice]

congdead 😔 (i think hes like +6 or +7 from my timezone so that makes sense considering its currently 18:03)

yeah, some hours ahead

conga is surely a morning person and ill get a response back in 8-10 hours trust

also wanted to discuss the topic of translation tags again, they'll have to be english cuz steam tags dont seem to work with characters that arent standard to the english alphabet
i would argue a good approach would be "english translation,russian translation,turkish translation" or "English translation,Russian translation,Turkish translation"
i personally think clarifying them as translation tags is for the best, unsure how capitalisation should be handled tho, since they're proper nouns and they arguably look better, but all workshop tags are lowercase so im not sure

[gray haven]

could do local orbs = orbs, not sure why luals has the wrong opinion about shadowing

[hasty solstice]

ill give that a go then

[hasty solstice]

also you never got back to me on the height of the options/mod settings menu

could you perchance go check what the calculation is, either in your Credible Settings thing or via the engine?

[hasty solstice]

NATHER GET BACK HERE! 😭

[hasty solstice]

works, thx

i wonder if i could make an encoded super keybind recogniser that recognises any combination of keys as a keybind, like i encode it via a string or smth

not related to my mod at all but amusing to think about

[hasty solstice]

never writing a changelog in workshop.bat ever again

[gray haven]

idk

sounds like a hassle

[gray haven]

you can press down to get current input again

usually

[hasty solstice]

Yeah I tried

It didn’t work idk

[hasty solstice]

im touching the core functionality of the scraper, the things i do for stupid feature creep 😔

this shit is like a loadbearing pillar of the mod built up in such a incoherent manner that i can barely understand it

now to see if my modifications actually work

THE MOD STILL WORKS!

🥳

okay so theoretically i can now just use this new function ive made for all 3 4 types of pixel scenes

AND i can add pixel scenes that dont exist in the file here, which is awesome

applying to backgrounds now

FUCK okay it didnt immediately work on backgrounds

AH the attribute name is wrong!

FUCK okay it still isnt working, why?

[hasty solstice]

geh

i think it was another attribute difference

why the fuck do all pixel scenes use pos_x,pos_y but then backgrounds use x,y 😭

but if this was the problem

then the function should be fine- i actually think the function will have worked first try

DAMMIT it doesnt wanna work :(

[hasty solstice]

GAH what am i doing i need to get back to debugging this bullshit

ive just been fucking around for- jesus apparently 2 hours, just running around with a fun blackhole wand killing everything

W fixed it

it was some kind of issue with nils? idk i think thats it, idk why it didnt report errors in logs but whatever, it works now

fuck yeah

[hasty solstice]

i think the minor refactor is p much done

despite how long it looks like it took, it was actually rather quick and simple (i get distracted very easily)

nvm smth's wrong

wait conga never got back to me

was he online today?

it seems not

[hasty solstice]

think about it nather, you could check once and then never again, because youll now know!

[hasty solstice]

double checked, yeah it was me referring to a table var with the wrong key again

and despite that my mod STILL DOESNT WORK GAHHH- oh i only fixed it in one place it should also be broken in the second spot too

yup (should be scene_data.entity, not scene_data.just_load_an_entity)

okay im going to stab someone its still not working what have i forgotten now

im actually losing it ive actually gone crazy i spotted the issue, commented on the issue here, and then forgot to actually fix it oh my god i am actually delirious

FIXED

okay, NOW i can start adding the feature creep :)

i need exact cauldron coordinates now

geh i needed to re-enable nathan's noita patcher cuz of accidentally misclicking the Unsafe mods: Allowed button

Nather you should make it so that your patcher cannot be turned off, its unsafe modding so surely you can implement this somehow :clueless:

oh thats not right

@gray haven i saw these errors, idk what caused them i can look into them later if you want

nvm this seems to be causing the mod to be spiteful and evil and not work

i have teleport to anything and CE enabled in case that helps

and a few safe api mods that i dont think are relevant here

what the fuck okay fuck you steam i guess

what the fuck i like was in the workshop menu in the steam overlay cuz i clicked the workshop button in the noita mods menu

and when i tried closing it, my computer fucking crashed???????

OH MY GOD AND STEAM FORGOT TO OPEN ON BOOT UP AGAIN

i love having my settings menu shuffled up every once in a while :)

i think i have resolved my steam issues for the foreseeable future

anyway. back to what i ORIGINALLY wanted to say
welcome back ole faithful

its still not working idk whatever ill just grab coords from noitamap.com

[hasty solstice]

i got it working!! but then i ran into the bullshit issue i knew i was gonna (lifetime materials are fucking executed by pixel scenes)

[hasty solstice]

@wheat zenith conger appears to be unavailable, would you be down to look over my PR and merge it if it looks okay? (currently my mod doesnt do its pixel scene stuff if apotheosis is on lmao)

[wheat zenith]

well I don't actually have access to merge I just have my own fork that conga merges :p

[hasty solstice]

ah, fuck

i assume only conger has merge perms?

[wheat zenith]

ye

[hasty solstice]

fuck

ill have to wait for them to be available i guess

[gray haven]

When you start a new run it forgets the addresses but doesnt remove the patches

So it can't find them

[hasty solstice]

soooo what? is this just a random error it spits out and the mod works fine?

or is this actually breaking stuff

[gray haven]

it happens when you start a new run with the mod enabled

it mostly doesnt matter and would be a hassle to fix

[hasty solstice]

okay it doesnt matter, got it

[gray haven]

oh are you on dev exe?

nothing works there

[hasty solstice]

then i need to figure out whats actually causing the cauldron to- oh thatll do it

ill use vanilla then to test this stuff properly

[jaunty eagle]

Yeah, sorry, ive just been occupied with non noita stuff lately

[hasty solstice]

ur good 👍

[jaunty eagle]

ill take a peek when i can

[hasty solstice]

i assumed you were probs busy with like work or smth

its p short so it shouldnt take up too much of your time o/

[jaunty eagle]

Alright

[hasty solstice]

terrible things are happening in Parallel Parity 🔥

this is gonna be the stupidest fucking thing ever lmao

[gray haven]

brilliant

make it convert all edr biomes touching a non edr biome into an edr special biome so the map still has an outline?

[hasty solstice]

i did think about this, it would be a very experimental option if i did add it

currently i plan to just have all cutscenes cut through the EDR

the biggest question im running into is how i display the names of biomes in hell/sky, the options ive come up with are the following:

• North/South
• Sky/Hell
• Above/Below

i actually just thought of the last one it was "Up/Down" (which is lame), i actually really like Above/Below

[gray haven]

Above/Below definitely

[hasty solstice]

Above The Vault, Below Abandoned Laboratory, Above East Power Plant, Below West Desert

[gray haven]

how are you displaying it in spatial awareness

[hasty solstice]

FUCK YOU'RE SO RIGHT

probs coordinate system

(x,y)

[gray haven]

you should use polar coords

noita players need to do some learning

[hasty solstice]

polar coords? tell me more

[gray haven]

display it as distance and angle

[hasty solstice]

send an image example

[gray haven]

rather than cartesian

[hasty solstice]

or example if in text

[hasty solstice]

but the world would be set up in a grid like this

[gray haven]

re^iφ

if you do polar it would be funny

[hasty solstice]

would it not make more sense to display your position in grid format?

[hasty solstice]

that is true this is unfortunately why im actually really considering it

ill add a toggle between the two in options lmaoo

[gray haven]

too bad we cant make hyperbolic pws

i want 5pws at each corner

[hasty solstice]

writing this all down in my planned features.md rn

[gray haven]

is that a space in the filename 😱

[hasty solstice]

no, its just...

a weird gap in the font 😊

[gray haven]

😱

whats wrong with snakes and kebabs?

[hasty solstice]

KebabsCase?

[gray haven]

kebab-case

snake_case

[hasty solstice]

oh i dislike dashes in my filenames

[gray haven]

reasonable

[hasty solstice]

i resolve this by replacing them with spaces

[gray haven]

😭

horrid

[hasty solstice]

amusing graphic, love the fact theres like, just some guy there lmao

[gray haven]

thats pascal

[hasty solstice]

yeah i guessed that part lmao

[gray haven]

smh clearly not learned in the ways of history

[hasty solstice]

feature creep todo list:
(reposting as image rq for better readability)

Cauldron is what im doing rn and then i can work on Vertical Parity

i should also do the default handling option, that would be like a 2 minute addition

maybe 5 minutes for the blacklist thingy

[gray haven]

what are you doing for the cauldron in decemer on leap years?

[hasty solstice]

i grabbed my script from fairmod that already accounts for this

lemme get it for you rq

[gray haven]

images of text :/

why not just push a link to the file in your github repo

[hasty solstice]

more readable than in discord imo

[gray haven]

it renders md

[hasty solstice]

tru

[gray haven]

or paste the md

[hasty solstice]

is there an option in VSC to get the current file's github link?

[gray haven]

maybe an extension

[hasty solstice]

wow im surprised there just isnt natively an option

that seems kinda obvious to have imo

[hasty solstice]

ended up doing that, here
https://github.com/FatalUserK/parallel_parity/blob/main/PLANNED FEATURES.md

oh i wonder if itd be better to format biome names like (East/West) biome (Above/Below)

whatever im going to sleep now

[hasty solstice]

oh yeah heres the script btw
https://github.com/FatalUserK/parallel_parity/blob/main/files/cauldron/cauldron.lua

the void calendar seems accurate

a bigger issue im running into (which i would appreciate your help with perhaps 👀 ) is the fact Void Liquid cannot be spawned via pixel scenes due to how Pixel Scenes fuck with lifetime

im gonna need to add a pseudo void liquid material with increased lifetime that matches the amount pixel scenes offset (im assuming its an offset) the pixels age by in order to properly simulate Void Liquid

im leaving now to sleep fr this time

[gray haven]

the tostring is kinda ugly

imo void_day should be a bool

and when you str sub it you should compare to "1"

[hasty solstice]

mmm could actually simplify the logic if i instead tonumber maybe

idk will look at it tomorrow

[gray haven]

i just have an allergy to types that dont represent the data

[jaunty eagle]

@hasty solstice What does "Should the Statue Room spawn in Parallel Worlds" mean?
In this the room in the lava lake chasm?

I don't see any issues with the PR but one thing worth noting is that upsidedown seeds use a special mods/Apotheosis/files/biomes/special/_pixel_scenes.xml file that moves most major pixelscenes around to match their upsidedown location; you may be interested in that

[pallid magnet]

i wonder how many people experienced it

[hasty solstice]

Gooot it I might add that at some point then

[hasty solstice]

Yes

Just a setting that decides that, you can change the default idr what it was- I just used it to test that the mod compatibility hooks for settings and whatnot works

You can change stuff about the compatibility if you want, I just added the basic map so the mod works normally when playing normal Apotheosis and the statue room was me doing testing

[hasty solstice]

Should mention it was originally a bool, I just reworked it to be more efficient lmao

[gray haven]

efficient how?

[hasty solstice]

well i was converting it from string 0 1 to bool value and then checking the bool against whether i should set the material

it makes more sense to just check the 0 1 string and then choose the material based on that

no need for a middleman

[hasty solstice]

moving here to avoid clutter

i got it laggy enough for screenshots to be easier lmao

[hasty solstice]

@wheat zenith would you be down to make a silly sprite for me?

[wheat zenith]

nature of silly sprite?

[hasty solstice]

i need perk sprites for skullfly radar

just the perk sprite and ui sprite

i do not know how this would look but if you can think of a way i trust you o7

this is for my -- add skullflys after this step mod which adds 1-3 skullflys after all those steps

i want to add an option to spawn skullfly radar perk

[hasty solstice]

absolute cinema

i just noticed the game is auto-capitalising my perk >:(

whatever im going to sleep

did not realise where the time went, it is 5am

[gray haven]

use some magical chars

[hasty solstice]

true, to the CC russian translations!!

before you say anything i found an actual list lmao
https://gist.github.com/StevenACoffman/a5f6f682d94e38ed804182dc2693ed4b

[gray haven]

probably just add a zwsp or something before each word

[gray haven]

noita font issue

[hasty solstice]

hm?

zwsp?

[gray haven]

zwsp.

[hasty solstice]

fuck you're factual- but some of these should exist tho? cuz russian TL uses some of them ik

[gray haven]

just browse the font file

unfortunately there are no 0 width chars in the base font

you can ofc add one

[hasty solstice]

geh what is this snailman

[gray haven]

zero width space

[hasty solstice]

ahhhh

[hasty solstice]

can i add one without breaking anything for anyone else?

i imagine so

[gray haven]

all font changes need data files :/

iirc

[hasty solstice]

GUH????

EEEEVIL

[gray haven]

most people dont know of fonts so it doesnt really matter

[hasty solstice]

okay thats not really a justification imo

[gray haven]

try put an invalid character in your text

[hasty solstice]

mmmm dont think it will play nice but sure

[gray haven]

try do \255

[hasty solstice]

?

like, raw in the translations file?

[gray haven]

no

insert that byte

or have it in a lua string

[gray haven]

hmm

try \0

[hasty solstice]

how? can i copy paste this from somewhere?

[gray haven]

that might do something

[hasty solstice]

this is the invalid char thing you mentioned

shouldve made that clearer

how \255 or \0?

[gray haven]

printf '\xff' | xclip -sel clip

[hasty solstice]

elaborate

[gray haven]

run this in a linux terminal near you

will put byte 255 in your clipboard

[hasty solstice]

dont have access to one

sister is asleep and i dont have linux yet

[gray haven]

lua -e "print '\xff'" | xclip -sel clip

find the windows alternative to xclip

its surely built in

[hasty solstice]

is this not just smth you could send or point me to where i could find a link to?

[gray haven]

probably theres some website which can do it

[hasty solstice]

what am i looking for

[gray haven]

that answer is wrong

its not valid unicode or ascii

[hasty solstice]

what is this char called nathan 😔

also quick Q

[gray haven]

doesnt have a name

the whole point is its invalid

im hoping itll confuse nollas systems

[hasty solstice]

wouldnt it just not work no matter what if its not in the font xml?

hmmm i see

[gray haven]

try a null byte

[hasty solstice]

is it one of these?

[gray haven]

nollas font doesnt support them

[hasty solstice]

nathan can you please google these and show me where i can get them cuz clearly you know more about this than i do

[gray haven]

try https://unicodeplus.com/U+0000

hmm this doesnt seem to have a copy button

and copying puts some junk in my clipboard

[hasty solstice]

whatever it did give me didnt work

[gray haven]

yeah

a lookalike in the font is probably best

[hasty solstice]

but then only one mod can do it at a time

[gray haven]

no

[hasty solstice]

maaaan ill look into this tomorrow perhaps

hm?

[gray haven]

lookalike not new char

[hasty solstice]

oh ig i could override my perk's thingy

my concern is that this is for perk name pickup prompt, which if i were to change the noita font someone else would be unable to add their own characters, no?

[gray haven]

char 347 isnt bad

[hasty solstice]

im heading to bed now cuz its like super late

[gray haven]

could do underscores instead of spaces

[hasty solstice]

do test these if you can but i gotta go get a bit of sleep tonight lmao, ill send a repo link in case you wanna try these out

ehhh would look weird, original comment has spaces anyway

in general i just dislike most of nolla's autocaps

its the same for material names too

[gray haven]

yeah, imo its a mistake

just write the translations correctly

[hasty solstice]

https://github.com/FatalUserK/---add-skullflys-after-this-step

[gray haven]

but being a bad designed hasn't stopped nolla before

[hasty solstice]

this is factual

[gray haven]

private

[hasty solstice]

fuck

biome names not having capitalised first letters also gets me, they're proper nouns!!!!

[hasty solstice]

try now

[gray haven]

broken

[hasty solstice]

???

[hasty solstice]

wait now i did it

[gray haven]

appeared

[hasty solstice]

there was a weird authentication thingy i didnt see lmao

[gray haven]

there is a big, luanxml submodule name should be -- add nxml after this step

also what is .lua

[hasty solstice]

.lua was a file for looking at modifications to the biome directors file

to make sure i was injecting code properly

mod is still in a very messy state since after i finished experimenting and everything, i mostly dropped the project for a while so i didnt have time to clean it up

especially now that im refactoring aspects of it to be better

just change the translation in the csv file and see if anything works, i spawn the perk with CE

oh youll want immortality from like spell lab shugged or smth

idk if you use spell lab for testing but i do and you will die to skullflies if you dont have invincibility probably

good luck o/

[wheat zenith]

didn't actually read this until now, here ya go

[gray haven]

discords scaling is really intelligent

surely pixel art should use the same upscaling as photos

[jaunty eagle]

@hasty solstice PR merged on github, I'm assuming you want this compatibility on the steam version too?

[hasty solstice]

Yeah

[hasty solstice]

Thank you very much

[hasty solstice]

Lmk when you’ve done this so I can leave a comment on my mod informing people the mod works with apoth now

[hasty solstice]

perk icon added

i think this is going to be the stupidest mod i ever make

[gray haven]

where is icon for this perk after this step

[hasty solstice]

?

[gray haven]

this is missing after this step suffix

[hasty solstice]

replaces with for this perk

[jaunty eagle]

Added to steam

[hasty solstice]

much appreciated 🙏

[hasty solstice]

alsooo on the other topic- translation tags
I think it makes sense for the translation tags to follow the format [language] translation,[language] translation rather than [language],[language], since just being the language name can be vague, especially considering the language name is often just the country's adjective
also i think lowercase makes sense cuz thats the standard the regular steam tags follow

thoughts?

(hoping you're available to talk about this rn based on you existing just now, if not we can do so another time o/)

he arises!

[jaunty eagle]

I can see the vagueness in just listing the country's adjective, it feels a little verbose having translation on every entry though (and doesn't really make sense to call it an "english translation" given english is the native language of the mod)

It's what steam does officially though so I think it's probably fine

[hasty solstice]

yeah the former point i actually was realising

perhaps [language] language for the second point? but that sounds kinda awkward imo

hmmmm

ig the thing to come back to is what these tags are for

imo the benefit of the tags is partially in visibility, but mostly in the fact you can search by custom tags by clicking on them in a workshop item description and it will bring you to a select list of only mods that have that tag

so people could in the future hopefully use this to navigate mods that specifically support their language

i imagine it usually wouldnt be a very long list mods, but it would provide a list of the mods that currently are supported

[jaunty eagle]

Yeah

It would be ideal for some kind of standard to be set, so people could click on their given language's tag and see mods that support it

I know other steam workshops have specific support for language tags, noita never got given that though it seems

(or we have no clue how to use it properly)

[hasty solstice]

i imagine nolla ujst never added them, do you have an example?

lemme check terraria workshop rq

[jaunty eagle]

Terrari- yeah

[hasty solstice]

oh wow this is neat- though i dont see tags for languages?

[jaunty eagle]

More specifically tmodloader

[hasty solstice]

oooo

forgot, diff workshoips

[jaunty eagle]

It's probably something nolla would have to set up

[hasty solstice]

oh waow this is fancy

unfortunately the biggest issue i see wish this is its not modular on the community side

[jaunty eagle]

ikr

[hasty solstice]

Nolla would need to account for like every language ever or else non-standard languages like Turkish and whatnot wouldnt be a part of this

mmmm im torn cuz having this would greatly benefit standard languages, but could potentially leave lesser known ones to rot even more

i think it would be a positive change overall tho

[jaunty eagle]

Yeah

I mean, we could make a list of languages to have be supported on the workshop and then pray nolla returns

[hasty solstice]

yeah, im worried about languages that get added in the future but we can worry about that when it happens

also worth noting, they do use [Language],[Language] as a standard

(though all their tags are capitalised)

out of curiosity, do we know if the unsafe workshop restrictions is due to steam or nolla? like if its a requirement to put safeties like that on mods that are uploaded for steam to allow you to have a workshop or if nolla just was worried about malware (reasonably so)

if its the former, i wonder if smth could be set up with these tags to hide unsafe mods by default, but allow users to choose to view them

i kinda wanna be able to contact and discuss with a tmodloader dev since they'd hopefully be down to discuss this? (and less vacant than the ever-sleeping noita gods)

[jaunty eagle]

Probably Nolla, since there's no way for steam to know for every game how much access level they need, what would be unsafe and what wouldn't be

Tmodloader mods can mess with system files I believe

[hasty solstice]

yeah, my thought process for being steam side is nolla needs to say they check and then not have anything big occur

[hasty solstice]

ooooo i see

yeah okay i wanna ask a tModLoader dev if they can like make it so certain tags are hidden or do anything to protect users outside of just blanket not allowing unsafe mods

hmmm

unsure if i should add this to the list of supported translations
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3330015902

since- oh okay no embed ig

but it hasnt been updated AND the comments appear to be calling it google translate? which seems possible based on the mod desc

im not sure if this is up to standards enough to include as a supported lang

[jaunty eagle]

I think tmodloader is community run? It's been a while so I'm not sure
If it is though they should be able to response to any inquiries

[hasty solstice]

community run in what sense? i imagine theres still a limited number of people at the top with access to the steam side of the program

[jaunty eagle]

Community mantained would be a better word

[jaunty eagle]

And yeah, I don't imagine everyone would have update privileges if it was the case, otherwise that'd be a disaster