💡 Add a #pro channel for every development field, this includes but is not limited to.- ~~Script...

[modern fog]

Please discuss this idea civilly, don't forget to vote on this idea in #📝︱server-suggestions!

[void sinew]

@crude crescent

The pro scripting one is contreversial, once upon a time it was locked to level 1

[crude crescent]

Hiding them if you don't have access is a bad move if they're actually going to have quality discussion. Quite a few scripters learn from #📜︱pro-scripting without being able to talk in there

[void sinew]

I'm quite certain that it's not such a large factor that it's removal would cause on impact on people without access

We can always limit the channels to level 2, so long as we collectively raise the standard for a level 2

which is already an unofficial goal

[crude crescent]

seems like mods disagree, since there are channels hidden until you have ranks and pro scripting isn't one of then

[void sinew]

Such as

[crude crescent]

#💻︱development-chat is invisible until you have any rank 1+

[void sinew]

thats one of the most useless channels we have

along with a majority of other channels which are just remnants of a management decision which was never reverted after it's failure

[crude crescent]

no disagreement on the first part. Haven't been here long enough to comment on the rest

[void sinew]

It is a possibilty, that we can make the channel visible to level 2's and accessible by level 3s

that way, the clutter issue is solved, and the knowledge inferrence is solved

[trail plank]

The idea is good, but the practice is kinda bad. Like, we have 9 skill functions and if we add 2 channels for each we will have 18 channels, that's a lot of channels in my opinion. I think that only creating for functions that have more members such as Construction, Modeling and Gui/Animation is a good idea.

[crude crescent]

why not just let anybody see them? People can hide channels themselves. The burden will be on mods since they have to see everything to moderate

[void sinew]

this is a valid point, but the first step should be purging useless channels

[trail plank]

"useless channels"?

[void sinew]

all feedback channels are useless

three channels for tickets, can just be adropdown

not be a pin..but is valid

[crude crescent]

not useless, but they should be combined

[crude crescent]

pins are not a good place to store vital information

[void sinew]

these threads were a ba didea
theyre most definitely not used
#1006356488912121967
#1020374354867007528

#📜︱scripting-help-classic

[crude crescent]

they're not at all easily discoverable in the way a channel

[void sinew]

scripting help classic is the least used channel ever

[trail plank]

About this one I think we can combine them.

[crude crescent]

those all have a decent amount of activity

[void sinew]

newbies whot hink they'll get hope post
no one responds

people got alot more of the help they needed when we didn't impose an un-needed rule and un-enforeced rule onto the dev channels

[crude crescent]

the messages will still get posted, they'll just get spammed somewhere else

[void sinew]

ai help channels not needed, use gpt

you dont gain anything from using the shoddy rsc bot

[frigid cliff]

i second this

[crude crescent]

agreed on that. roblox has its own AI and there are tons of others too

[void sinew]

does art need to be an image channel in chat? can it not ujst have a development channel

cooking is weird but i wouldn't consider it bloat

dimoand general has to go

[crude crescent]

dev channel means it needs skill ranks and rankers

[void sinew]

not neccesarily

art just has a Pink role you can get for free

@Cool Artist

it used to be in the development channels, they moved it

[crude crescent]

for now, when the channel isn't a dev channel

right now all dev channels have ranks

[void sinew]

what even is #⭐︱ranking

in short we have a major problem with bloat in channels and it's been building up over time because no one wnats to deal with it

the reason im not in the staff team anymore was because of the bloat and inconsitency of channels

[crude crescent]

for me, it's no access

[void sinew]

it's a rankers exclusive channel then

its just called ranking

empty

idk how long its been there

[crude crescent]

oh, that one is recent

I think it was part of chogi's plan to go back to a public vouch system

but there was major pushback they mostly ignored then they left rsc completely

[void sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609

[crude crescent]

is there even anybody in an overarching leadership position for RSC? Sounds like not really

[void sinew]

No

Never is

This server is actually pretty doomed if you stop and think about it

[crude crescent]

I still wonder if anybody has the source and access info of the RSC bot

[trail plank]

I am trying help this server at all, but without neon I can't do much.

[trail plank]

Maybe just Trix, or Neon.

[crude crescent]

Is it a permissions issue? Nobody still active has sufficient permissions?

[trail plank]

Well Seniors can't manage the bots, only management. And I can't get access to the RSC bot because Neon is offline all the time.

That's why I am developing Starium.

[void sinew]

matthew does

[trail plank]

But without the database, probably it will never replace RSC bot, since members don't want lose their merits.

[trail plank]

Only to restart the bot.

Not the code.

[void sinew]

well the sooner we do it the better

we can implement a temporary merit replacement program

because otherwise more problems arise, more data to transfer

[trail plank]

What's the RSC bot commands that appers for you when you use /?

[void sinew]

just rank

[crude crescent]

huh, I still get /rank despite not being a ranker

[trail plank]

Just click here.

[void sinew]

alot

[trail plank]

Well if the RSC bot commands are public then I don't need to hide the staff commands of Starium they are literally the same.

[void sinew]

wha tlanguage r u writing it in

[crude crescent]

don't have too, but if it's simple, it's less confusing if you only see commands you can use

[trail plank]

It have some extra features than RSC.

[trail plank]

Java

Because at least for me it was easier than python.

[void sinew]

and faster

[crude crescent]

performance difference for a discord bot should be negligible

[trail plank]

Tbh I don't care if it will take 1-2 seconds extra if it just works better than RSC bot.

[trail plank]

^^

[ashen stratus]

Vfx shouldn’t be renamed to particles

Because we don’t use only particles

The suggestion is very good though

Up to the gfx people

@split hull

Whaddya think of this suggestion

[split hull]

no

[ashen stratus]

the rename?

[split hull]

rename? dont like it

[ashen stratus]

me too

[trail plank]

VFX, SFX and GFX is good for me.

[split hull]

keep it gfx vfx sfx

[ashen stratus]

yeah

that was a good change

[trail plank]

Keep it clean and shorty.

[split hull]

who the fuck requested that school of developers ahh shit

[ashen stratus]

Wdym

[split hull]

who requested particles

💀 😭

[ashen stratus]

💀

It’s okay

not that bad but vfx would generally be a better name as we additionally use beams, trails, meshes, and more

[trail plank]

@void sinew

[void sinew]

gui name is bad

[split hull]

bro u think everythings bad

[void sinew]

GFX could stand for Graphics or Grapihcal Effects depending on interpretation

[ashen stratus]

@scenic oriole maybe this means you can have your animation channel!

[void sinew]

very skwered with GUi which has the wrod Graphical in it

[split hull]

"guys lets rename scripter to scripting" ahh

[void sinew]

interface is alot more descriptive

[split hull]

keep them all short and simple

gui gfx vfx sfx

[ashen stratus]

interface sounds okay to me

[split hull]

its a useless change

pointless

[void sinew]

you can tell whos the scripter and whos the gfx artist

[split hull]

excuse me?

bitch that aint my fault your suggestions are pointless asf

[ashen stratus]

i feel the strongest opinion would be from the actual interface artists though

[split hull]

if ur gonna give me attitude expect it back

prick

[ashen stratus]

okay uhh

anyways

we should ask the people from #📱︱gui what they think

[void sinew]

woah dude

who hurt you

[ashen stratus]

since it’s their profession

[void sinew]

i haven't come at you

[split hull]

your profession is vfx woah!

[split hull]

mmhhmm

[ashen stratus]

Mhm

[split hull]

"lets rename vfx to visual effect particles"

[void sinew]

you need to not think the worse of people

[ashen stratus]

let’s not argue please this looks like an actual good and well thought out suggestion

[void sinew]

i dont know what arguement you just came out of, but i'd prefer you don't drag me into it

and if this is just the status quo, same difference

i apologise if you felt attacked in anyway

[split hull]

i did feel attacked yes

comments like that can be taken very seriously

[ashen stratus]

Can we just make up though

I wanna discuss this instead of this useless thing

[split hull]

also why suggest renaming sfx to sound wouldnt that defeat the whole point of voice actors being in the sfx area

[void sinew]

sound is an umbrella term for what our ears pick up

sfx has the word sound in it

the word fx is just a descriptor, it still derives from sound

[split hull]

your about to give me severe ocd if these changes happen

like big ocd

[void sinew]

if enough people would come to agree to the fact that it happened, that's going to have to be something you resolve with yourself

[crude crescent]

what even is gfx?

[void sinew]

gfx is graphic effects

sound effects

[split hull]

icons thumbnails 2d art logos

[void sinew]

visual effects

[ashen stratus]

yeah roblox gfx artists make game logos you see on the front page

[crude crescent]

how are those effects, which is what fx means?

[split hull]

why are we arguing over this when literally every single other server will skill roles use "gfx"

rsc trying not to be different challenge impossible

[void sinew]

a status quo does not always make something ideal

[split hull]

im entitled to my own opinion

[void sinew]

qwerty is the status quo because of typewriters getting jammed, not because theyre easy to use

[crude crescent]

ah, so it's just another thing roblox ppl do dumb

[ashen stratus]

Crazy how were talking about the channel names instead of the suggestion itself

[void sinew]

youre entitled to your own opinion, but you just keep making subjective and provocative comments

[ashen stratus]

Can we worry about that later?

[split hull]

yes and it has engraved into me to the point i dont want to stop calling myself a gfx artist and change it to graphic artist

[void sinew]

no ones making you, and no ones changing anything yet

[split hull]

im not speaking to you

[void sinew]

who let you on the staff team man

i'm dipping out

[split hull]

been here for almost a year

ok bye then

[ashen stratus]

Wow

So is this suggestion is going no where then

okay

[split hull]

i wasnt even speaking to him tho whys he gettin in my business 😭

i dont speak to people i dont know

which includes him

[ashen stratus]

Yall gotta respect each other

[split hull]

hard when he gets into conversations he aint involved in !!

i would like to have a conversation with nice people

[crude crescent]

personally I think it'd be more friendly to noobs to use the long form for channel names at least, like "Visual Effects (VFX)"

[split hull]

the status of gfx, vfx, sfx, gui, clothing, modeler, animator, builder, scripter has been relatively engraved into the industry throughout literally every server with some exceptions. although i think hd uses "graphic artist" people still refer to it as gfx. changing it completely is such a shit idea

[split hull]

good idea!

[ashen stratus]

I honestly argue

I wanted to change effects to #✨︱vfx but you made a good point

[void sinew]

effects was a bad name

effects encompassess alot

particles it could be argued is too specific

[ashen stratus]

Right

[void sinew]

but the entire field uses vague terminology

unfortunately it doesn't have great specific terminology

but 90% of the work is done with particle emitters

and then your 8% is beams, trials, ropes

trails

then you have maybe 2% of 3d meshes

its like texturing with modeling

[ashen stratus]

Visual Effects isn’t too specific but easier to understand than VFX

[void sinew]

we would want to avoid a double barrel since it'd be unique in the fact it's double barrel

Effects, Graphics, and Sounds
Particles, Graphics, SFX

[crude crescent]

Visual Effects is pretty clear IMO. It's pretty much anything about appearance that isn't modeling or 2d art

[void sinew]

these are 2 possibilities

[crude crescent]

graphics is really the only one that's too vague IMO

sound effects is sorta weird but that's been established since movies had sound

[void sinew]

now however it becomes subjective pendantics

the three gfx, sfx, and vfx could stay the same, but gui should most definitely be interface

"interface" is in the abbreviation already, and is the only word you need, "Graphical User" adds nothing

[crude crescent]

GUI is a widely established term long before roblox, too

[void sinew]

it could be renamed to ui/ux

but interface just as the longform i think would be beter

[crude crescent]

If you went with my suggestion of using long names for channels, I think calling it "Interfaces (GUI/UX)" would be ok

UX is sorta weird for games though. It's short for user experience which is more than just buttons and frames in games

things like control schemes would be part of UX for games. Should that be included in what is currently GUI?

[void sinew]

i think adding brackets makes it a way too long name

[crude crescent]

in what way is a long channel name bad? It's not like it's remotely too big to fit on screen, even for tiny phones

[void sinew]

consistency

[ashen stratus]

Okay channel names aside is the actual idea okay? @crude crescent @void sinew @trail plank

I like it

[crude crescent]

I think restricting channels from view is bad choice, and that it's very likely most of the proposed channels would have almost no activity. Many of the role channels already only get a few messages a day at most

[ashen stratus]

True

[crude crescent]

also 3 is probably a bad threshold. Getting rid of unranked and rank 1 eliminates most noob questions

[ashen stratus]

Pro Vfx for example will have NOTHING

There’s a combined 7 people that have e3 and e4

Even less for clothing

[ashen stratus]

Why would hiding channels be a bad choice though?

[crude crescent]

because it's helpful for noobs to be able to read non-noob discussions, tricks, tips, etc

[ashen stratus]

Right

[crude crescent]

and people can hide it for themselves if they don't want to see it

[ashen stratus]

I think the only other option would be having a pro category for every channel

like all of this as pro channels

would be pretty weird though

[crude crescent]

only other option in what sense / as an alternative to what? Obviously one option is to keep things how they are and add new pro channels when another channel is considered busy enough to warrant a second channel

[ashen stratus]

Hmm

Oh yeah there isn't really anything else we could do

[mighty pond]

this cool except the hiding part

would be bettter if there was just a pro-development category with all the pro channels in it

[void sinew]

3 are

[trail plank]

Yeah we can actually do it.

Create a channel that only allow level 2 or above go to see and then create threads for each skill role.

[void sinew]

Let's do it

We can handle the bloat channels separately

[ashen stratus]

Yes

[sleek stag]

Idk why but the fact u called VFX particles was funny to me

[hybrid copper]

yes please

don't hide them if you do this

I had to push for #📜︱pro-scripting to be visible to everybody in the first place

don't make me fight for this again

actually tbh it wasn't a fight

but lets not go back to the dark ages

[ashen stratus]

pro vfx gonna be insane

[void sinew]

what else to they entail

barring the other 2d based visual pbjects

object

[ashen stratus]

We aren't limited to using particle emitters, beams, and trails

[crude crescent]

handle adornments are good for a lot of effects, parts and meshes, basically any Instance that's visible can be useful for visual effects

[ashen stratus]

Right

A modeler that creates meshes with bones can use that for an effect

if it's animated

[void sinew]

i guess in terms of nitty gritty it is correct

i think graphics, sounds and effects r the best names

vfx is the only word which relies on "effects"

sfx and gfx can both stand on their own

but again these names r fine if people dont agree

[mighty pond]

level 2 or 3, also y threads and not normal message channel

[crude crescent]

threads are terrible for discussion

[ashen stratus]

^

[void sinew]

will this be happening

[ashen stratus]

[ashen stratus]

Ping Management

see what they think

[mild idol]

ok

what I say is

first I take care of all the clutter and I merge da unessecary channels togetha

then I'll make it happen

and I don't think people will be goin arround these channels that are rank 1s-2s to seek pro advice so I think its best to hide them

my question is why not have rank 4s

[mild idol]

and yea I agree with koji the rest are relatively dead

[void sinew]

Rank 3 and up, not just rank 3

[mild idol]

o

oka

[void sinew]

[mild idol]

oke il start by archiving unessecary channels

then il do the merge

THE GREAT MERGE OF UH.

dont look at the date 🙏

[void sinew]

[trail plank]

De nada.

Kkkk.

[mild idol]

also about this

the people in vfx wanted it to be called vfx

same as sfx

[void sinew]

das chill

[mild idol]

okaye so far I deleted a few channels

And

I merged the marketplace info st uff

[ashen stratus]

yeah

[crude crescent]

🤷 I would and did read pro-scripting before I could participate

I don't mind not being able to participate without getting a rank since that's the point (tho r3 seems dumb instead of r2 as a requirement to me) but it's still great to learn from

we'd lose basically all activity in pro scripting if you moved it to require S3

[crude crescent]

oh, also I do occasionally get messages in #scripting about something I said in #📜︱pro-scripting so others do too

[mild idol]

well I can't speak on behalf of other ranks but for modeling I dont think they'd benefit much other than read technical words that they can't comprehend idk

but for now il make the main channels visible

and the rest will need a role requirement to be able to see em

[crude crescent]

I can look up words I don't know. It's a great starting point

[void sinew]

this is a good point

[trail plank]

I agree.

Well, at least yal couldn't yap anymore about micro optimization .

[mighty pond]

dont hide, having the ability to read the stuff in pro channels can be useful to whoever uses it even if theyre just reading it, cuz convos do tend to point in directions that could help someone later on