3.17 Spiked Shield & Gilga Changes

[broken bough]

kk

[twilit pollen]

The Creator has spoken typed

[broken bough]

i talked it out too fwiw

[placid sedge]

Spiked Ultimatamancy - 1% Miss Chance to keep it balanced, deals extra damage when hitting an opponent, deals extra damage when resisted, deals extra damage when hitting for weakness, ignores immunities and deals extra damage when hitting an enemy immune to any element, fully charges all flasks or apex on cast, 75% chance for T. All+, 50% chance for T. All++, 25% chance for T. All+++, Base 50% Crit

Here is an idea for you <3

[twilit pollen]

Don't forget grants 100% ward absorption for 1 turn

[gritty plinth]

Without fixed miss skills, dex becomes bonkers. Keep in mind that it affects both dodging and hitting

Dex in Orna is like Special in pokemon gen1. Two stats baked into one is not often a balanced mechanic. Orna just has several ways of getting around this, like statuses

[haughty turtle]

If it has several ways of getting around it, then it doesn’t need skills that outright negate any investment into it, especially when basically every class uses them

[gritty plinth]

No but the fixed miss is the most important way of getting around it lol

It would nuke build diversity imo

[haughty turtle]

It’s especially egregious when the class built around dex, dorado, doesn’t have access to second chance, meaning fixed miss skills are just an insta win button in pretty much almost every scenario

[haughty turtle]

Yes, because we have a ton of that now

[gritty plinth]

You want less?

[haughty turtle]

I want more, which is exactly what this would accomplish

[gritty plinth]

Builds would be built around maximizing dex and accuracy only

Missing feels awful

[haughty turtle]

Every class has access to high dex gear. We’ve literally just finished an event that released new dex gear

[gritty plinth]

Right, so literally everyone would be forced to build dex

[haughty turtle]

Also, there are caps to miss rate to prevent that

[haughty turtle]

Right now everyone gets to ignore it, how is that better?

[gritty plinth]

Assuming that your assessment is true: because instead of having one stat to focus on, people have one stat to ignore

That's more diversity than not

[haughty turtle]

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Having your investment into a stat be outright negated with no chance for counterplay is what really feels awful to me

[gritty plinth]

That's fair, but I would disagree that everyone gets to just ignore it. It may be the case right now because of ss

Ss is the meta and has fixed miss chance, so yeah no point in building dex

But I wouldn't throw out all the other fixed miss skills because of this. Dex is extremely powerful

[haughty turtle]

Well, patch notes are official, let’s see how things shake out in live

^

[gritty plinth]

Oh dang Odie didn't remove fixed miss chance

Was this just not in the cards

[haughty turtle]

And ranger still made it live. Guess I’m saving my spare HoC for now

[broken bough]

sorry, didn't have time for the fixed miss thing

[late oracle]

Yeah I think live input will be good

[broken bough]

but i think we're okay without it for now

[haughty turtle]

I think we will probably be back to it at some point in time, but it’s been a big patch, not everything can make it in

[gritty plinth]

Yeah. I do think it'll remain problematic, and I'm not sure what value there is in keeping it; probably only for ang1.0

Maybe lessens system shock

[haughty turtle]

My biggest fear is the attack scaling making BeoH the best SS user by far, while still covering their low dex weakness with fixed miss. But we’ll see how things go in live

[broken bough]

with the same attack stat, gilga should always do +50% more SS damage than Beo due to the internal warddamage passive

[haughty turtle]

Issue is more the fact that BeoH can stack attack much easier than gilga thanks to hybrid monster

[broken bough]

oh, i see

yeah, we'll monitor of course

i have every intention of bringing Spiked Shield into the same realm as other skills, but still keeping it a Gilga staple

[haughty turtle]

It always felt that was meant to be balanced by their low dex, but SS ignores that

Appreciate the reply and love that that’s the intended direction. Thanks once again for all the work and kudos on the patience to be able to digest all these threads (especially this one lol)

[broken bough]

oh, it wasn't bad at all

[gritty plinth]

There's also the t1 damage being different due to half starting ward on gilga, no?

[broken bough]

no, because it consumes total ward instead of current now

[half karma]

Ooooh i think thats why i was under the impression that they were consuming more ward

[gritty plinth]

Oh so ss used to consume a % of current ward? Interesting

[half karma]

Now ward usage also caps at 50k i see

[tawny holly]

Again, dorito dodging is way more useful in pve than second chance, so the trade off seems fair to me.

Ss should lose it's fixed miss chance, but realm strikes/magic chakram need to keep it. They are balanced by having very low defense penetration. If we get rid of all fixed miss chance in the game I'm 100% hocing to dorito because it will be busted

[late oracle]

I think a bonus to on hit on a number of skills is better than fixed miss

They already added ranger which I think is even a little too much

[tawny holly]

You lose too much damage as ranger, it's not enough imo

Especially if Crit gets another nerf

[mild forge]

😁

[timid rose]

Did someone make a summary about the new scaling of spiked shield, where the caps are etc?

[young river]

If you mean numbers, i dont think we know

[timid rose]

thats not guud X3 WEll, we will see.

[pseudo sonnet]

Jk it's at least on par with crit in PVP.

Wild it still has flat miss chance, high m1, high m2, and tanks hit the same as glass cannons 😬

[mint holly]

Yup. A fail in terms of the PvP aspect

Damage shouldn’t be equal when defenses aren’t. But…whatever.

[fringe mirage]

Just crazy the fixed miss is better than chakram/rs2 with it's better m1. It should at a minimum be 10% to match or 15% like rs1

Even crazier that gilgas were also calling for flat miss chance be removed all together and it stayed lol

[broken bough]

i'm still down to remove it later

[onyx bear]

No chat here in almost 2 hours. Seems good to ship today.

[gritty plinth]

Yes please push out this major game update/overhaul during Saturday of memorial day weekend

[signal heron]

Not that it's a good idea, but it's not memorial day weekend in Canada

Their 3-day weekend in May was last week

[snow spindle]

Regardless, we already have established dates

[signal heron]

Which is very, very exciting

[onyx bear]

I was being sarcastic holy hell

[broken bough]

No need to be salty, Sid

[west verge]

I wish I had showed my gear in this as I just did the same thing again today and it’s 40-50% less

[timid rose]

What ascension level is this? X3

[west verge]

166 in beta

It’s has secret orna music too ||jk it’s wow tavern music ||

[timid rose]

Its secret? :o its just in the options

[mild forge]

Do we have verdict yet on SS and Gilga Changes? Im exited to know more 😁

[echo bone]

#game-announcements message

[timid rose]

So as SS3 only takes 50k ward now, does the scaling cap at 180k, or...?

[visual crescent]

Odie mention it rise up with al, so I don't think like that

[timid rose]

It still only consumes 50k for me at asc 99 :o

[haughty turtle]

The cost is based on your max ward iirc

[timid rose]

Not anymore

[timid rose]

Forgot to reply... Uh, just assume i did.

[visual crescent]

I think it cap in PvP yeah but not in pve

[timid rose]

Ah, i see!

So pvp cap is 180k then i assume? Just consumption, or also damage?

[visual crescent]

I guess like what happens with bp as sum, now it has cap for ward but is still more att more damage

[broken bough]

there is no pvp cap

[timid rose]

Why does it only consume 50k then? Is just the consumption capped? :o

[timid rose]

Thats what i was thinking, 180k ward and then stacking atk (or more ward as a defense buffer)

Would make SS builds way less one sided which i greatly appreciate. I always loved spiked shield, but you had one way to go, now i feel you have much more options

[broken bough]

yes, consumption is capped to stop the infinite scaling issue

[timid rose]

So building more then 180k ward does not increase damage further?

[half karma]

You can stack attack along with 180k ward

[visual crescent]

So I thought aaru headwrap now is bis for ss3 pvp

[half karma]

That makes you choose between tankiness and dmg imo

[visual crescent]

Since u have enough ward even with it and ok for bof bonus

[half karma]

That makes sense. Switching my helmet with aaru wraps will get me some -5k def and my ward will also tank. Its a compromise for dmg

[timid rose]

Yeah that would be the assumption, i was just making sure having more then 180k ward does not increase damage

So its time for full amorri

[half karma]

Just leave enough mana for 1 or 2 attacks 😂

Because that set is HARSH

[timid rose]

3,5k mana should be enough

[half karma]

Deities 😡

[timid rose]

Muachachacha! >:)
Also, like... Ur settlement defenses are evil. I just wanted to say that.
I dunno how to beat them most of the time, i cant guess the equipment

[smoky tusk]

So, SGS is no longer useful at some point? Mammon Sword is BiS now

[visual crescent]

It is purrly less fav staff

[half karma]

Mine or gursas in general?

[slow pilot]

If ward consumption is capped at 50k and I’ve got 400k, does that mean my damage won’t start dropping off til I hit 180k threshold ?

[visual crescent]

If that u should rise more atk after reach cap ward consumption

I mean u don't need to have more ward if no help for more dmg anyway

[slow pilot]

Running more ward should give me more sustained damage or am I wrong ? If I run way over 180k I should do full damage even after using SS3 consecutively

[timid rose]

Your othersouls servants, its fun to fight them, but they are so tanky and do SO much damage

[timid rose]

In theory, yes

[timid rose]

Everything above 180k is now actual defensive ward, that wont reduce your damage if taken. Its really cool, actually

[half karma]

Oh thanks! Do you play in france or germany? Those are the places ive visited so i left a bunch of OSs there (npc OSs were just pushovers 😂 )

[timid rose]

Im from germany! ^^ I see you at a lot of places around here

[half karma]

Cherish my OSs because im not sure i'll be able to come back (too expensive 🥲 🥲 🥲 )
Absolutely loved my stay there! Also germany's public transportation and safety are just out of this world. They're to blame for my settlements there ❤️

[timid rose]

Im glad to hear ^~° That you liked it, not that you dont come back, you're the only challenge in settlements around here...
The public transport really is great, it helped me level so much early on, and its also fun to sit in trains and chill. (Most germans will tell you it sucks but thats cause most germans just like to complain, me included)

[west verge]

Just going to wait for live at this point

That said I would like to nail down exactly what the final damage formula is

[broken bough]

(att - def) * stuff = damage

[visual crescent]

Dont change my pov now

Ss3 now is trash build unable to do raid

[haughty turtle]

Does this mean that a gilga will always do max damage as long as they still have 50k ward?

[slow pilot]

I think ward loss is based of % remaining ward capped at 50k. Sustained damage should be better til ward loss scales below 50k

[thorny olive]

Gilgamesh classline probably needs a complete rework, right? Since 2021, hardly anyone in the local community has been playing it—they all say he's like a caveman 😂

[supple oriole]

I got a sheild, i got a axe, i come from a cave

[hardy lily]

He’s not a boss killer, he’s a rock thrower with a title.

[mild forge]

Im hoping something will happen to Gursa 😁.

[visual crescent]

Who play gilgadead anymore.
Meme class

[pseudo sonnet]

Gilga is still going to be strong just not broken OP like before.

[signal heron]

Don't feed the trolls

[fringe mirage]

I mean... not mine, but....

[lilac cliff]

That's a deity

[fringe mirage]

Ss is ss

[placid sedge]

Deity is dead. Was 4th on the docket to need addressed and the 1 single change taking a 120% freeline to 100% freeline will kill the whole classes lineage and purpose and mother and children. Buff Diety pls it drastically needs help.

[gritty plinth]

Heretic is dead. Was 2th on the docket to need addressed and the 1 single change taking a 30% flask charge to 40% dmg reduction, 12% elemental weakness dmg, and 25% immunity dmg will kill the whole classes lineage and purpose and mother and children. Buff mague pls it drastically needs help.