3.17 General

[hybrid sluice]

Yes it was reported

[gusty basalt]

Nothing apple just has a long review time me thinks

[sacred flame]

https://tenor.com/view/crushing-apple-crushed-it-half-gif-20222541

[valid raven]

Dw, you'll get it by the time ang 2.0 is live

[junior matrix]

you only need the update for Frenzy fwiw

[spring ice]

Pretty much the main reason I voted it. After not getting a proof in like 15 - 20 dungeons (I think rates were adjusted after that, but idk) I just bowed out on that front because I would rather put that effort into live. Raiding proofs were easy though

[hybrid sluice]

@junior matrix
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[gusty basalt]

My guy bravely pinging the actual odie like he wont get the ban hammer 👀

[junior matrix]

lol

i asked, so it's a fair ping

[valid raven]

🚢

[red trout]

please send me my raid rewards, i promise i wont joke about spiked shield anymore

[fierce island]

This is the beta chat

[red trout]

sorry ill be off to an alpha chat then

[neon raptor]

[tribal pond]

Was the 1 proof/floor an intended design or a bug?

[brittle viper]

What's delaying the 🚢 ??

[valid raven]

Have there been any changes to all the new specs? Could someone give me a run down of all of them again please

[fierce island]

No changes as far as I know, and they're all visible in beta

[valid raven]

Hmm, alright. But are the guild path consumable rewards reacquirable in any way yet?

[fierce island]

Not yet as far as I know

[valid raven]

Welp, I'm looking forward to the new specs, auras and flairs we'll be getting access to soon 👀

[brittle viper]

Not "yet", what does that mean??

[fierce island]

. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gusty basalt]

I would like to see a summary of the anguish boons and busts on the hold to enter screens. I am not that smart to mesmerize them

[torn trench]

you arent meant to mesmerize them tbf, although memorizing them is something I would recommend trying

[gusty basalt]

Is that a player discovery meme?

Cause at anguish 20, if I dont know my ward will drain x amount or elemental damage is reduced y amount. I will want to change my approach to that content

[gusty basalt]

My guy coming in with the spell check!

I got dunked lol

[torn trench]

im sorry for wasting your time lol it wasnt even funny lmao

[gusty basalt]

I thought it was great 😂

[hybrid sluice]

Wait

[junior matrix]

lol

good catch

also need to take the pvp limit note out

[hybrid sluice]

I don't remember this being announced 👀

[junior matrix]

it was there the whole time fwiw

the bonus was rolled into Efficacacaceoious

[brittle viper]

So nerf for deity and buff for heretic, the true user of última

[torn trench]

Make Ultima an Apex skill = Hera and Deity both instantly more fun :)

[hybrid sluice]

If that happened, a thousand heretics would instantly beg for omniflask to be buffed

[spring ice]

Sooo warden got nerfed. Is the conqueror spec intended to take it's place or be better?

[junior matrix]

yes

[fierce island]

I think there's still a typo for Shadowed spells,

It should be ignore elemental immunities or resistances, right?

[modern dragon]

So you're just expecting people to volunteer their free time on content they know is grindy and unrewarding?

[fierce island]

Sir I play Oldschool Runescape

Less joking of an answer though: Right now we really aren't getting any more test data from the beta

[harsh cedar]

Yes let's grind and enjoy farming simulator but without 3D tractors

[fierce island]

People will test on their real characters, make progress on their real characters, and Odie might need to tweak the numbers but we'll only learn that from actually testing and playing the content

People didn't think Anguish 1.0 was going to be as farmable as it was and look how that ended up

[modern dragon]

Fair points

[latent karma]

Fishing lvl?

[fierce island]

91

[latent karma]

Nice

[spring ice]

I still need 99 slayer quit at 98 years ago lol

[full briar]

Is the balance only aim for PvE? Because the auto CA of Gursa dodge again

[drowsy smelt]

I was surprised to see this too

[upper meadow]

Gursa is abit anoyying with that counter attack

[drowsy smelt]

It's going to be even more annoying that it got another turtle tool with Ursa Strikes

[full briar]

Auto CA is a problem for a long time , very surprised , gilga really get loved 🫠

[fierce island]

Is the balance only aim for PvE?

In this patch, yes

The concern was balancing PvE things so they wouldn't be OP on Anguish release and trivilize Anguish

Odie tried to steer #1370141629444395028 back on PvE topics multiple times lol

[upper meadow]

I think after spike shield get nerf, counter attack gonna be more anoyying

[full briar]

I hope next balance patch comes this year

[gusty basalt]

Gg on this beta Odie, I think everyone here for a minute was able to voice their opinion and felt heard.

This patch imo will help with a ton of issues I see as a player. And I just wanted to voice a thanks for your work and effort to listen ❤️

[zenith matrix]

so we're keeping aoe dmg malus (which is relevant for 2h) but no malus for one-handers?

[desert scaffold]

is there one-hander boosting equipment?

i mean, back in my day, all weapons were one handed, and we didnt HAVE an offhand!

[torn trench]

Searching everywhere in here and cant find any details, what is this X supposed to represent?

[brittle viper]

Your class can't use that weapon

[torn trench]

Thats what I thought 💀

[brittle viper]

But you're using that

[last bridge]

Something about proficient?

Or maybe image changing when avalon event comes?

[high heart]

Whewt!.. I compared 3.17 zoom changes to the highest dpi I can confortably set my phone to, 3.17 with no dpi change is ever so slightly better, than the highest I can do on the phone before it rotates 😛

[elfin falcon]

Should rotate at 600/700 afaik for all modern androids
Finally, we dont have to choose between using a lens to navigate or phone or having no VD in Orna! :D Probably the best change in 3.17

[elfin falcon]

CA always was very strong against it, now its gonna be extremely potent.
Just hope 3.17, with its much too early release, will not do damage. We will see^^

[solar talon]

Whoa Warden is nerfed? That came out of nowhere. Does anyone have the % number it now boosts someone by?

[solar talon]

I was hoping it wasn't a nerf to introduce the same thing as a different option, but oh well. Though, no Shields Up? That's odd. I wonder if that was an oversight or intentional. I would imagine a lot of people (myself included) are not going to pick Conqueror without automatic ward if their class doesn't have it innate.

[desert scaffold]

all the guilds got specs

warden could have just been retired, idk why they didnt, really. maybe cause they havent done that before?

[spring ice]

Because not everyone has the conqueror guild lvl to unlock the spec

That goes for all the guilds. So the non guild locked specs are relevant for some

[fierce island]

I think it was a little silly to nerf warden and just move it's ability to a harder to get spec

I get not wanting to make a better Area Defense boost, but Odie could've just copied warden's same % boost with another extra ability

[spring ice]

Like getting the first turn 😈

[fierce island]

I would just suggest giving it Cataphract's ward start + ward recovery lol

[spring ice]

Lol. That would be cool too

[fierce island]

I'm not the kind of person to ever use Warden though so it doesn't really effect me, I guess. But I know some people like to sit on Warden

[torn trench]

Yeah tbh I was of the same mindset, chose to say nothing since idgaf about pvp in this game but my thought was Conq should have been Warden+. I think lots of these specs would have been better off as a + of previous specs so as to improve QoL through Guild Allegiance, giving Conq PvE boosts couldve been a cute way to make sitting on it more appealing/less painful. Same as giving Monu/Traveler VD and the such instead of still having to use seeker.

Think the specs are like fine but the lowest form of fine, they couldve been given a bit more love to add some nice diversity to specs but instead remain pretty one dimensional.

[zealous coral]

Agreed. Imo those specs should give players something beyond a buff to their guild's content

[solar talon]

The idea of getting the first turn makes me giddy. The idea of YOU getting the first turn makes me sick (x

[solar talon]

At the very least, it shouldn't have lost a passive. Even if it didn't, I still feel "meh" about it.

[spring ice]

This gave me a good laugh. I think you would kill me having first turn too lol. You did get me with transference once on the corvus set up you had - that's how much I was missing 😆

[solar talon]

Oh wow xD I mostly use Corvus on defense for anti-summoner stuff when I don't want to switch to Deity, but I must have had a different loadout on that time!

I'm shocked

[tardy juniper]

Great, I rely heavily on warden and now I will be FORCED to grind Conqueror 'AGAIN' after that BoF. How annoying...

But hey as a bonus I can simply go Oracle and double amity 15% def, I won't lose anything now as opposed to Warden 25%+Amity 15% before... at least that's neat.

[spring ice]

If you're not playing conq guild, what do you need warden for anyway? Serious question

It has no benefit outside of that and old territory, but not many ppl are slamming out the old system anymore

I agree it shouldn't have lost anything and if anything just given a little extra bonus somewhere, but it is for that content specifically and it sounds like you don't like the content

[open kraken]

What happened with the planned change of the fixed hitrate of spiked shields and the CA changes expected also for the G.ursa passive?

[open kraken]

Nvm, found the gilga thread

[tardy juniper]

I do play conq by keeping my area and territories but it’s a fine line between keeping my areas and casual play and having to grind like a morron for weeks, having to specifically take the train so you can get to level 20 for exemple. Some people I know are not even guild 15 and they have been playing since the guild came out. Just because there’s not a huge amount of ppl in their areas or because they don’t he travel by train or bus on a weekly basis. So it is extremely slow and demanding. And some people will get that in 2 weeks because that’s their job to travel. So if you want to at least not have all your area taken away or even worse get blade of finesse like I did… you are forced to level up your guild. Because blade of finesse is a must have for some PVE content….

And so even if you don’t want to PvP you are forced to get it anyway to be able to do pve.
And for example BoF I really couldn’t stomach the atrocity that was live PvP and all the meta Bs so I waited to do it with conq.

[junior matrix]

Are you using crownguards? They can fill the gap

25% stats is a lot in Conq due to crownguards, so I think the adjustment is justified

[open kraken]

So I've a question about it, will it just be reduced for settlements and will stay 25% for the old territory system?

I personally still play and enjoy both and it would be useful to know since crownguards don't affect territories

[junior matrix]

warden, crownguards, and the new conqueror spec all apply to both versions

[open kraken]

Oh perfect then, it's going to be funny

[loud yew]

• Area defense stats are not to be underestimated lol

[desert scaffold]

conq guild lvl 10 here, i take settlements any time i see them, but lvling has been slow. I cant imagine ever dedicating a spec to them, Id rather lose them & take them back so I can play again... since I cant play again til someone kicks me out

or am I supposed to be farming something with the crownguard currency?

[loud yew]

Keeping enough of them can be crazy beneficial, I earn 2050+ mats dailys when I claim mine and more

[desert scaffold]

oh, right, mat farming..

does warden bonus count in kingdom war?

[loud yew]

I also get 2mil Orn's+, 4mil+ gold, 500+ florns, a free shrine, and either a DM, aspect, or summon scroll

[desert scaffold]

must be nice

[loud yew]

I'm just saying it's worth farming/keeping them

[desert scaffold]

its a competitive resource, if you've figured out how to keep them, something broken imo

but i would definitely want that too, i just dont travel for work

[open kraken]

Yup it's an absolutely good resource of daily incomes, I've capped all the resources and I'm getting 5.5m orn and 2.1k mats for example

41 crownships as well, afaik crownships and mats can get an higher cap over time and farm

[spring ice]

Not broken, just ppl refusing to try new builds. It takes a lot of effort to find builds that slow down your regular opponents and if someone comes through that you're unfamiliar with, they can wipe you out

Ceri does better against me than most of the locals because she's determined and tries new things where as I've gotten lazy. I'm 177 AL and she's 19? Lol

[desert scaffold]

does it take effort? cause it seems like maybe it just takes swapping to warden & popping a crownguard

[spring ice]

She even kills me when I have buffs on

Nope. Effort. Most ppl don't put in the effort though

[desert scaffold]

does she take warden spec to kick you out?

or imo assassin, tamer, or something else

[spring ice]

No

Probably since she's beo. I know what she likes to use against me lol

I just don't cover all of my bases. If others haven't figured that out, that's on them lol

[desert scaffold]

i wonder if swapping to warden to try to kick my local century club out would work. . even ensseric came to town, i just waited a few weeks

[spring ice]

Warden only works on defense

Cataphract is good for offense if you dont want to use another spec

[desert scaffold]

why isnt conquerors spec perfect then?

[spring ice]

It looks like it's taking wardens spot and losing starting ward turns. Warden will be useful for those that dont have the conq guild level for conq spec

[neon raptor]

@desert scaffold To give you an idea. Warden and conq consumables are very powerful but not auto-win button by any means.

Even with nerfed counter attack it’s still a viable option to win against defenders

At best warden can slow some people down, or block out people who aren’t trying out different builds to find your weaknesses

That said it’s a bit of a boring nerf to just move warden into conq as a spec reward/unlock for grinding, while losing ward turns, as it’s something we’ve had for years as is

I’ll keep an eye out for more interesting territory defense amities as that will likely perform better than either of these specs now

[elfin falcon]

Since those are related to beta i hope... Are those real or are those just a joke?

I assume its a joke but i still wanna ask as some skins there i never seen before

[iron violet]

These have been around for a while already

[neon raptor]

Thanks apple

[granite lily]

Well? Get on it! You have two days!

[elfin falcon]

So thats not a joke? O.o
Orna now featuring predatory marketing too? :(

[novel perch]

🍿

[neon raptor]

Orna has these when you are leveling up a character. I actually wish they would stick around longer

Or just like, permanently in the cash shop

[elfin falcon]

I wasnt aware that was a thing. Thats the most bullshit thing in all my 5 years in orna i've ever seen o.O
Oh god. The sponsor really was a mistake

Then we also have the jewel of destruction im the archpaths... Oof.

I feel like im getting trolled. Thats not what odie would stand for

[granite knot]

Is only some materials and potions for new players, i dont see problem here

[latent karma]

Its really just the visual that I think feels off, the pack is pretty much in line with everything else

[granite knot]

Is not for t10, only for starting levels, makes 0 difference

[elfin falcon]

Its the way its presented x3 beeing annoying on your home screen to constantly nag you.
Predatory marketing.

What a way to kill a new playerbase :o

[desert scaffold]

do me a favor, download "prodigy", a game for learning math for k-5th grade

[elfin falcon]

Am i getting trolled

I really cant tell

[granite knot]

Only appear when a low level player unlocks a new tier

[desert scaffold]

i just want you to have some context, cause it sounds like your context is games from 15-20 years ago

def not saying you need the math education. just try to get to lvl 10 in that game

dragons of berk is another one you could dl, aimed at kids obviously, that provides context

[elfin falcon]

I guess its even worse there?

You cannot tell me thats okay

[desert scaffold]

i saw it too, when i made my beta char

never saw them more than once tho iirc

[elfin falcon]

I restarted the game, clicked on all of em, restarted the game again, its still there

Nothing against starter packs.
But popups every time you start the game and the constant nagging animated buttons.
Thats just raw predatory marketing.
And orna does not need that, or does it stand for what orna is...
Thats either a desperate attempt for money or the doing of the sponsor, which in both cases would mark the beginning of the end.
Cause if we allow that to happen, then we say its okay, and when its okay, we give more leniance to do even worse.

[granite knot]

you have all the packs bc for the beta you character goes from level 1 to 250 instantly, this dont happen in real game

[elfin falcon]

Orna is not a cashgrab trash underdeveloped mobile game thats supposed to take your attention for a few days and then move on.
Thats not... That does not belong in this game. At all.
Remove the buttons, and the popups. Thats just... Terrible, and disgusting, to be frank.

The people who finance the game are the high players who buy skins. I usually bought most skin packs just to support, i will not do that again, knowing this now. :(

(and buy patreon)

[granite knot]

Click on the last deal on screen, from bottom to top

Is bugged bc you pop all the deals at the same time

[elfin falcon]

Oh god you CAN remove them. Thank god.
Thank you.
I thought you have to endure it the entire 3 days

I was so so concerned.

I was like "wait those are there the entire 3 days and you cant get rid of them, how does ANYBODY think this is okay" xD

[granite knot]

Beta things, the real version only support 1 deal per tier, this things happens in beta only xdddd

[elfin falcon]

Thats reliefing. Still not a fan, but much more acceptable.
I do wish those skin packs would exist for already T10 players too. Especially since some of them are unique, while most are just skins from other packs

I would love this skin for my Dursa

[vital path]

The jewel is in the free path, though

[neon raptor]

Where is that skin from

That thing is sweet

[zealous coral]

Looks balory

Without the skeleton face

[neon raptor]

Ohhh good call

[torn trench]

C in the name indicates its pack related, translates to Fallen Prince or something similar? Given Rhays other messages it certainly seems like its attached to one of thsoe mobile slop packs.

yuuup

[neon raptor]

Where are you seeing this?

Because those things are time limited

[valid raven]

Ain't that konq

[torn trench]

Just amke new account on beta. They are 1 time offers on tier up afaik so on beta you unlock them all instantly

》suggest Make Sprites share between all accounts tied to an email so people dont have to reourchase sprites they own :)

[loud yew]

As a blacksmith X sub it kinda bugs me I don't have these pack sprites...

[neon raptor]

That’s wild

You should just have everything

[torn trench]

fwiw this seems to be the only pack with unique sprites, the rest were just pulled from different modern sprite packs. I get the GS(still odd its in the pack)not being available but the rest I do find a bit odd existing there.

[elfin falcon]

Starter packs, unaquirable for T10

[elfin falcon]

Mobile slop packs, i love you xD

[valid raven]

Wait, I might've read this here but just wanted to confirm, proofs of felling are being replaced by the anguish tokens for raids?

[loud yew]

As of right now when you finish an anguish raid the proofs of felling are just replaced with Agony tokens yes, but you can still get them from non Anguish raids

[viscid bloom]

We got fuqin jesus in the game!

[valid raven]

Hmm, alright

[valid raven]

Is there a difference in the "value" of each anguish proof type? Is any more valuable than the other?

Idk why I pinged you for that

It's also something I forgot I can just check on my own

[hybrid sluice]

I think Odie said proofs of felling are being replaced

Also, re: the "predatory marketing" thing - lol no. Having an animated bubble draw your attention to a paid starter pack is one of the least offensive things out there

[elfin falcon]

Cant disagree more, adding the popup x3
Its probably the most evil thing i can think of in a non pay to win game

[hybrid sluice]

You lack imagination

If someone doesn't have self control to ignore a popup, frankly they shouldn't be on the Internet

Just my take

[elfin falcon]

Thats a good point, but also, please factor in that i assumed you cannot remove the bubbles for the entire 3 days until it runs out

[hybrid sluice]

Yeah that would be pretty annoying

I never remove them myself since I just ignore stuff like that

[elfin falcon]

Then you dont have ADHD or another atention deficit, which is a huge plus, but sadly thats not the case for everybody^^

Those type of ads is then definitely not marketed towards you

Reminder that most adds arent praising a product but are engineered in a way to abuse your brain to make you purchase.
Once you are aware of that you will start seeing predatory marketing in a whole different light

[hybrid sluice]

No ad in the history of this planet has ever "made" anyone buy anything

[valid raven]

I'd say convincing you to buy the product counts as "made" you buy it

[hybrid sluice]

I don't think that's the point being made here

If it is, my mistake

I don't see being convincing as being predatory

[desert scaffold]

i dont think you know predatory ads, these are innocuous

absolutely the tamest in game ads ever

[solar talon]

With all due respect, it's my opinion that nerfing Warden while releasing a worse version of it (Conqueror doesn't have Shields Up to my knowledge, so you don't start with Ward turns) tied to tons of guild grinding isn't the best way forward. Again I don't mean any disrespect, but unless I'm missing something it sounds conceptually bad.

[granite lily]

it's a nerf. That's how nerfs tend to go

Not agreeing or disagreeing. Just reconceptualizing

The +stats were strong. The team deems it too strong but lets you have it if you invest your time into the guild to reward you, removing some elements they deemed problematic

Not much different than, say, stasis down to 10% chance to act

[solar talon]

The % stats of Conqueror are the same as Warden.

Erh, current Warden.

Well, disregard that. I misread what you said.

However, I wouldn't call autoward problematic.

[eternal drum]

I'm actually okay with it. It nerfs some SS build more since they don't get the free ward turns to meme people turn one with 25% more stats. They either need to put on a ward Amity or get ward turns from gear now or run cata.

At least I think it's not a bug where SS doesn't do big damage when you don't have ward turns.

[open kraken]

Does a double amity 15% stat defending work or it doesn't stack?

[neon raptor]

It stacks

[open kraken]

Lovely, cheers ✌🏻

[loud yew]

We can get multiple per floor!!

[dense elk]

I can't tell if I missed this, or if its new, but what the heck is the ❌ for?

[upper wren]

I think its class usable

So x means you cant use it on your current class

[valid raven]

I'd really like a proper explanation of the monumental and spelunker passives. Does spelunker boost eod rewards or just give luck? If I'm using monumental, is the encounter rate only increased while world farming or in dungeons as well?

[hybrid sluice]

Dang Odie just coding like a madman on the weekend

[valid raven]

We didn't even get the poll for reduced un shackled penalty like aethric did 😔

Though, I hope at least the reduced shackle penalty reaches orna 🙏

[dense elk]

yup, thas it! thx

[tribal pond]

Oh wow

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-internet-explorer-gif-14577205

[loud yew]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dwight-schrute-i-am-fast-snake-mongoose-panther-rainn-wilson-gif-25505022

[tribal pond]

New art?

Random drop from like 21st floor of a dungeon

Assuming a mimic

[granite lily]

We didn't either, don't worry. I think it is clear that the testers were frequently pushing against increased difficulty in general, as a group

[valid raven]

You guys did though

[loud yew]

Always been around afaik

[granite lily]

I see it as an acknowledgement of the game being more casual-focus

[tribal pond]

I am full internet explorer tonight kek

[valid raven]

#1370486893866778716 message

[granite lily]

I only see the same poll that was last posted here. Was there one I missed?

Ah, I guess I was thinking of Odie-driven polls

My bad

Well hey, blame your ORN reps XD

[torn trench]

This is new but new as in like a year or 2 back lol

[valid raven]

No, I'll blame you

[granite lily]

Fair

I'll take it. Konq and Knight do too much good work. We are in their debt

And Faux taught me when I was a complete noob, so personal debt of gratitude (not that I think they don't do a lot of community work; just less visible to me anymore)

[torn trench]

To riff off this I thought of a neat way to implement it. Allow us the click the Ang number in the dungeon screen and it will provide a popup of your current active Battle Modifiers.

[brittle viper]

What's the first one? I don't get it

[tribal pond]

There's a new modifier

So I'm assuming similar to sphinx tail, it's higher chances of ornate? Or higher odds of a hire quality

It's still funky to test since everything dropping is usually ornate lel

[brittle viper]

Ummm, anguish will be the best guild at this point

[tribal pond]

For reference, I'm testing Ang8 dungeons and the modifier is .07%

Whatever it is, is not big, I think

[gusty basalt]

1/200 is .005

[gusty basalt]

That would be a 10/10

[torn trench]

In addition to this QoL I really think it should be considered changing the permenant status removal to NOT apply per target. I am a fan of this Malus addition, I dislike how it interacts with horde.

There are so many maluses already applying to so many things including AoE relavent ones, this is total overkill and is a massive hit to QoL/time spent, changing it to just be 1 target for calc or just on floor entry(but slightly higher %) would be much more reasonable

[junior matrix]

(0.5%)

[tribal pond]

And torment seems to start at 1% item quality drop

Does that affect titan augments?

[brittle viper]

How do you see the modifier? Do I need to update? Btw odie this update is amazing, idk how to express it but Tyvm

[tribal pond]

Client updated lately

[brittle viper]

Ummm i like WF now

[frank portal]

Hey a quick question for the beta testers, if an item is anguish level 10 and used on ang5 is it getting the extra stats of ang5 or 0 🤔

[tribal pond]

Should be downgraded to Ang5 level stats

should

[hybrid sluice]

We need a toggle on the stats page to show anguished stats

Same for follower stats page

[valid raven]

Accessories cannot even drop as anguished right?

[frank portal]

damn i just treat it as noise and didn't read thanks a lot

[frank portal]

no||t that we have seen, maybe there's a 1/10^9 out there ||

[tribal pond]

I submitted a bug report, but can anyone else confirm the latest build and ward Absorption in dungeons?
I'm going back to 50% at every new floor

[frank portal]

not for me

[tribal pond]

Odd

I just tried it again, every floor starts me at 50% lel

You're on 3.17.27?

[vital path]

Do you have starting ward turns?

[tribal pond]

No I don't think so

[modern saffron]

sorry can't check all old messages, has this been clarified? - The Anguish 2.0 Guild Level is now the sum of all Anguish Path levels

does that mean guild xp isn't a thing anymore in anguish 2.0?

[viscid bloom]

Pobably

[elfin falcon]

I would say thats not even a nerf thats a bandaid, while warden nerf has a real impact

[elfin falcon]

Penalty is insane, definitely the most unfun thing about ang 2

[serene bluff]

Yeah tested and it's entirely off what you unlock now

So 5 across each on a sandbox with 0 time into anguish is level 20 Guild

[modern saffron]

ok and xp isn't gathered anymore nor reported in the guild?

[serene bluff]

It says XP but again I never did anything within the guild

on this sandbox

going to test xp now

ah crap that may have been wrong hold on

No xp

[ivory knoll]

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[prime pine]

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[elfin falcon]

You get the EXP after :o the exp you get from the fight are like .1% of the sum. It should remove the gold and orns too tho, and just add it to the end reward

[reef crown]

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[elfin falcon]

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[serene bluff]

Guild XP used to show up on that screen no?

[loud yew]

No the Anguish guild doesn't have EXP anymore, it seems the guild level is purely based on the added total of all 4 of your max anguish levels

[serene bluff]

Not talking regular xp

This XP also didn't change

Not sure what your lil emote is about

[loud yew]

Interestingly mine doesn't have the "next level:" thing anymore

[serene bluff]

Well yeah you are at the max aren't you lol

[loud yew]

But even the description is different

what version is your game? v3.17.27beta? Cause that could be a small bug with the description not updating

[serene bluff]

mine is .26 haven't seen a .27 come out yet

also not sure if Orna and HoA are still in sync

[loud yew]

ahhhhh okay that's makes sense

[serene bluff]

What does this mean?

[elfin falcon]

I just read that. I cannot understand the decision, as that differs so drastically from other guilds, and removes the endless grind of it, that locks you out of the satisfaction of showing off

[elfin falcon]

No clue someone started it and it felt so out of context my autism brain just had to join.

Anguish guild level changes, cosmetic reduction of spelunking allegiance... Where did we discuss about that x3

[loud yew]

I don't see a huge issue with the anguish level change? It's now basically tied to your endgame progress which makes sense for the guild, it's a grind, and no one is getting to crazy high anguish levels on live anytime soon

[elfin falcon]

I mean, fair point. I always forget that new anguish doesnt cap at 50.

I do like seeing how much you engage with content reflected in the guild level, not how much you progressed as an account, as that is... Well, already reflected in much other things.

But its nothing major, i can live with it

[brittle viper]

I see it as a upgrade tbh

[serene bluff]

So I was saying in the other channel. I think this better reflects since XP was an on/off thing before. Now your Anguish Guild Level reflects actual progress instead of just grinding a lot of content at level 1.

No one is going to be able to do Anguish guild 200 in a single path (at least not yet lol)

But with Xp you could just do 20,000 anguish 1 raids and get xp?

[elfin falcon]

From that perspective, yes, that makes sense. I understand!

So only major concern is basically spelunker guild rewards beeing completely out of proportion as or gain and ore to exp gain got adjusted a few weeks after release and left a huge gap, that now would take several hundreds of hours to fill, compared for the others, who took only one or two dozen hours for the same progress.

With current rates, making the higest reward 35 would still be very ambitious... But its 60

[serene bluff]

I think the highest in HoA is in the 30s, and probably was there since the easy exp thing happened, yeah.

[elfin falcon]

Hoghest in Orna should be... Let me check, i think it was 45

64, with huge differences in lv

So there is 7 ppl in the entire world who would get the aura, and 2 ppl who get the highest flair, for content that is available to grind for multiple years, and is actively grinded by those people. Hmmm....

Thags an improvement from 2/0 but still not optimal x3

[loud yew]

Heatnick is a deep dungeon machine dude was in the 40s or 50s last I checked damnnnnn

[hushed berry]

I don't disagree that it could use a little love, but keep some things in mind:

1 - Guilds should, in fact, not be as rewarding as each other on a 1:1 ratio. Easier content should by default be less rewarding than hard content. Deep dungeons are among the easiest content Orna has to offer.

2 - Since Deep Dungeons aren't THAT rewarding, the amount of people grinding it for exp isn't high to begin with, which means the people with high guild levels are bound to be low.

3 - Part of the point of the guild allegiances is to reward people for playing that guild's content, and to motivate them to do it further. What would be the point if it releases and suddenly you already had it all? I don't think making it so that the highest guild level should already have everything unlocked is the best metric

(Regarding point number one, I know Fishing and Oracle are both easy guilds with very high rewards, and that Blades is a very hard guild with poor rewards. I'd wager that is not the intent, however)

[elfin falcon]

1 - agree
2 - agree
3 - that is exactly the point, an incentivse. I do see the incentivise now in grinding conquerers more, for example. I do not see the incentivise in the spelunking guild, what is asked for is way out of proportion.

[hushed berry]

I don't know, the spec that increases end of gauntlet rewards is pretty juicy 👀

[zealous coral]

But does it increase EoD for deeps or its still capped? 🤔

[hushed berry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[elfin falcon]

Yes but hundred of hours of active grinding buggy content doesnt sound fun^^" I also delayed getting Swash 2 because finesse was... No i don't wanna talk about it. Im glad conquerers gave a more reasonable way of getting it

And just to clarify, with buggy i mean holding the pickaxe getting stuck reliably on pathfinding, so its not only between idle and engaging, its also a dice roll every time you hild the button

Just let me hold the button so it jumps room to room :'(

[hushed berry]

Again, I don't disagree that that specific guild is a nightmare to level.
Just that maybe it doesn't need that big of an overhaul

Deep dungeons in general could use some love from a lot of ends though. Fingers crossed for an overall guild economy overhaul

[elfin falcon]

Okay, yeah. I fully agree to that.

The base concept IS fun, it just sidnt recieve the love it deserves. But i think all the early guilds but titan suffered that fate, and well, now we have the time to make them greater. Spelunker, traveler, Finesse, fishing...

More floors, more ore, horde encounters (by choice), or maybe even a hard mode cathered towards T10/11 players with increased rewards but also much more difficulty

[hushed berry]

Fishing absolutely does not need any more love. It is a mess of a guild already

It has rewards falling out of its butt

[elfin falcon]

Last time i fished i found it not as rewarding. What changed about it? :o

[hushed berry]

It hasn't. It just is rewarding for ~no effort.
You exchange coral for mnemonics, and you get thousands of materials.

[edgy minnow]

quick question, what about proof drops and price rebalances? wasnt previous drop rate bugged? 10% drop rate can't yield 0 proofs in 20 T11 dungeons, so if odie "increased" drop rate while also increasing prices we getting ripped of quite bad

[hushed berry]

Have you tested the new drop rates?

[edgy minnow]

not yet

[hushed berry]

Well then less yapping more testing 🗞️

Speculation is the enemy of testing

[edgy minnow]

I did test previous ones, and also run a quick sim, unluckiness of 0 per 20 is quite beeg

[elfin falcon]

I... Didnt consider this. Well, now that refineries are capped, that will also shred that reward factor :o

[hushed berry]

Refineries doesn't really change the rewardliness of mnemonics

[elfin falcon]

I read spelunking I CANT ESCAPE

[hushed berry]

Refineries were done in addition, and not in stead, of other material sources

[zealous coral]

I love deep dungeons but it gets a tad boring and unconfortable (for my fingers)

[compact rover]

Directional arrows are uncomfortable to use on mobile imo

I prefered to tap and move similar to Aethric

Would love to have an option to chose between each style of gameplay I want to use in Deep dungeons or Towers

Btw, my Anguish guild is bugged on Beta

I can't open it

[elfin falcon]

But → Funny
↓
↓ ← Also hi
Its a me, Mario

[elfin falcon]

Update app

[elfin falcon]

So next update: deepfried dungeon, the DFC, the Dungeon friends club, will intercept the mext big update

[compact rover]

Indeed I was late on the version

However still the same problem

I can opeen any building but Anguish Guild

Seems like I choose the malus to not be able to reach Anguish options

[elfin falcon]

I was also a bit dumbfounded but we did get an annoucement about a patch, just didnt knew it needed an update

[elfin falcon]

Anguish 51 -> Anguish PTSD too high, interacting with it results in a mental breakdown ingame

[edgy minnow]

originally, towers had tap to move mechanic, but people complained that it was "slow" so it got replaced with arrows and towers got smaller. I still dont get how small arrows in BOTTOM LEFT of a phone that is HELD IN RIGHT HAND is a good idea, and dont even mention "left hand mode" it makes rest of the interface even worse

[compact rover]

Yeah I remembered that it was "tap to move" before, but I never understood why it was replaced

Actually it is slower to move by arrows instead of clicking directly where you want to go

Maybe people wasn't happy with that gameplay, but I would like it to comeback as an option 🥺

[edgy minnow]

they wasnt happy that you need to wait after you press, you know, the walking animation

[zealous coral]

This may be better if we get a slight zoom out in deep dgs and the movement becomes instant (like it is today with arrows)

I dont exactly see a prob with it not being instant. We are always pushing for more speed in orna. I hope ang2.0 slows this process a bit heheh

[compact rover]

The problem was it was very slow and you couldn't really improve it by gear

[edgy minnow]

I didnt play Aethric much, but I think theres movement speed gear right?🤔

[zealous coral]

Wait whattt

Thats too cool :0

[compact rover]

The best technique was to start a battle with a guardian and quickly anticipate the next place to go by tapping before starting the battle

[zealous coral]

Yeeess I remember doing that 😂 😂

[edgy minnow]

dont quote me on this, I dont rember

[compact rover]

There is a daily speed bonus, and a promised mount update to get even more speed

[zealous coral]

MOUNT 😱 😱 😱

~suggest migrate character orna > aethric

[edgy minnow]

Aethric is easier tho

maybe only 1 way migration

[compact rover]

Well, truly you can start from scratch in Aethric in no time

[edgy minnow]

Orna -> Aethric, but can't go back

[compact rover]

Hard difficulty to casual

[edgy minnow]

ye, levelling is FAST in there

[compact rover]

you can do World Boss farming without moving a foot, ofc

[zealous coral]

I have a t9 nyx in there already 😌

[elfin falcon]

Casual to... ULTRA CASUAL

[vast quail]

Why is bro playing games for kindergarteners?

[orchid coral]

• Proof of Fellings are being phased out in favour of Proof of Agony

do i spend them before rolling in to ang 2.0? and the Proof of Anguish as well

[fluid jungle]

Proofs of anguish yeah definitely

Proofs of felling, not sure. My understanding was that they were only being replaced by agony proofs in anguished raiding. When killing raids at ang0 in the beta you still get proofs of felling

[tribal pond]

I'm curious about this piece of info

[hushed berry]

I think that's just the 3% bonus stats on summon/pet stats get per level?

[zealous coral]

This makes me think all gear will have increased summon/pet stats for those classes

[fierce island]

Any gear that already gives pet or summon stats increases them per level

[tribal pond]

Ooo okay

Wording was funny

[zealous coral]

I know, its just how it was worded

[tribal pond]

Makes sense now

I'm getting my stuff rocked on Ang10 horde boss, I love this latest iteration lol

[orchid coral]

its probably answered before but is it possible to change anguish path rolls?

Like I got four really awful ones and i want to roll them again kek

[fierce island]

No, they aren't really "random" per-se

Every player has the same choices

[orchid coral]

ugh, my raid setup gonna get hit way too much then

[fierce island]

I think that's the idea lol. It forces people to make new builds to compensate for the maluses

[orchid coral]

hybrid crit ultima strikes

[brittle viper]

Ultima is the worst choice for Anguish Raids apparently

[iron violet]

Yeah, Ultima gets every aspect nerfed with the maluses

[uncut rampart]

scales (up) with everything, scales (down) with everything 😅

[hybrid sluice]

This looks like a bug. 57% damage increase when adding on earth sigil on top of the earthblight

[elfin falcon]

In the words of the space marines.
F*CKING HERETICS!

[ivory knoll]

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[frank portal]

hey i noticed perfect runestone is shop costing proof of despair both yesterday and today so are mats assigned to a certain proof? was anyone keeping track

[prime pine]

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[hasty solstice]

Eos likes this update

Just at ang 10 gear i have around 38% summon stat in 1 item

Holy.... my shield will have 30% aswell

[hasty solstice]

Thank you odie ❤️

[vast quail]

Didn't your towerfall get nerfed though

[hasty solstice]

It got

But this trade is good

I will happily switch to titanseal

[modern saffron]

anguished raids don't drop proof of felling, is that intended or a bug?

that's on live HoA

[serene bluff]

It's intended anguish raids drop the anguish proof instead

[modern saffron]

ok and how many proofs, 1 if it proc? or 10 like in beta?

[serene bluff]

Should be 10 if it procs, unless they changed that

[modern saffron]

i'll kill some until it procs

[serene bluff]

Should discuss pricing soon, at least for the lower levels; many prices seem too high. Especiallyl for Raids being 11 max and it being a small % chance to get

[modern saffron]

for now it's 1 guaranteed in kill screen

[jovial mulch]

Does anyone has the spreadsheet with the gear bonuses?

[fierce island]

#1369690605835387040 message

[jovial mulch]

Thank you Knight!

[fierce island]

That's at least everything Sirith had recorded so far

[serene bluff]

Ok so this is a weird question on anguished gear, is it level 1 or is it level 10?

I can't MF or DF the 2nd and I can put it in the Blacksmith

But the bottom comes with 10 slots which is at least MF right?

[fierce island]

Anguished gear starts with all slots available for an unknown reason

[serene bluff]

I never used any of the dropped stuff so I didn't realize it was this way, the things we miss in testing lol

[fierce island]

This would be a 189% level 1 crown

[serene bluff]

yeah sorry wasn't trying to flex, like I said I never actually leveled any dropped stuff during the beta and just demon tooled my own stuff

The reason stuff that is anguished comes with max is so we don't lose jewels when we anguish it ourselves it was deleting gems