The Plight of Apollyon 2025 Discussion Thread

[winter sage]

That was before yesterday's rework, I should add

I did not raid yesterday

[swift jungle]

If the spawns cycle every 3 minutes, I'm missing the one that would be on 13 minute cooldown if I hit it immediately and still alive

[tame locust]

oh okay, they just loaded in while delete was pending

i can change that

[swift jungle]

I'm writing a proper bug report at the moment like you told me to lol

I don't think it really matters that the old ones are still around, but the new one never showed up

https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1369340832657707211

[winter sage]

If they're not actually hittable, it's probably just mildly annoying. Could result in one tapping around a bit to find the "real" one.

If they're actually hittable, that could be a problem.

[rugged belfry]

It feels better but hard to explain the rules behind it

[modest moss]

The issue is they seem to be preventing others from spawning. I had a few old raids last until the timer had 5min left without any new ones spawning

[winter sage]

Yeah, that's a problem

[modest moss]

I know this is always a tough question to answer because it doesn’t depend solely on NF, but is there any approximate ETA for the iOS update release?

[keen thunder]

do we have a guesstimate to the new damage cap?

[rugged belfry]

I feel like it is conditionned to the rank of top damage dealer

[tame locust]

24-48 hours is my best guess

[rugged belfry]

If I were you, I would just make sure to deal highest damage on your instance without amount in target, should guarantee max chance for you

[fluid light]

Looks better for the community as a whole

[stark sonnet]

Here were my results, I tried to go easy but 130m is my all time cap. Not sure what the new cap is. But I got 10 proofs in 5/6 fight, with this being my highest dmg

[fluid light]

Youre the beo from stormforce?

[stark sonnet]

Yeah

Yellow bard guy

[spring hearth]

youre wayyyy off topic

oh wow my chat didn't load at all

[sharp hinge]

Ngl, it’s incredibly nice that it doesn’t spam refract anymore

[spring hearth]

anyway, today's Balor feels like its working as intended, but imo kinda boring. Less out of control. It's a lot like being in my OT

I also think Ive had a few raids disappear while Im fighting, and I suspect they dont count dmg after the timer.

Its pretty hard to keep track of the ones Ive hit and ones I haven't.

[coral comet]

Lol

[stark sonnet]

I feel like I hit more than 2 xs but that's all I got for rewards, but maybe I'm trippin

[coral comet]

Yeah odie, youre supposed to make an event thats different from other events, competitive, fair to newbies, respectful of veterans time investment, not boring, and if i dont get all the ornates the event sucks 🥲

By the way whats up with china?

Pls nerf

[modest moss]

Exactly! How hard can that be?

[glossy solstice]

I mean, the main thing holding the event back is fear of people farming it too much. Fun must be handed out in small doses and extremely carefully, or else we might get addicted to it

[rich comet]

Too late.

[tame locust]

sorry for always disappoint

[fluid light]

Shame

( ･_･)r鹵~<巛巛巛

[torpid jasper]

Just do better next time

Event is actually fixed IMO, thanks for the hard work Odie

[rugged belfry]

@tame locust Considering the relative silence in here, I guess it's time to thank you for your dedication, I know the level of despair for working on week end

[north narwhal]

wait like 4-5 hours until main complainers wake up

[turbid gale]

This in fact does not increase your ornate chances

[rugged belfry]

Too late I already got my 190 Mystic Katar Y and 199 Lute Y

[tame locust]

Says who

[rugged belfry]

(Odie don't forget to confirm me you received the payment)

[turbid gale]

I love a good mystery, but I have the same feedback in Deity feedback chat awhile ago and mine haven't increased! More data mysteries ♥️

[past flint]

Beautiful

[turbid gale]

slides Odie a 100

[stark sonnet]

odie slides you a 100/200 quality item

[zinc geyser]

Are we sure this is patched yet? A little over 1x damage on both

[turbid gale]

Seems like 30m and 60m respectively X and Y are pretty good so far

[torpid jasper]

1x damage does not mean full rewards

Hit as much as you can and see what you get

[cunning dirge]

i'd rather race if that's the case :v

although i embrace the RNGesus prays

[torpid jasper]

More damage will mean more rewards, generally

[zinc geyser]

So is it 10x for full rewards then

[torpid jasper]

Not really

It is "dynamic"

[stark sonnet]

I think it's still competitive, but with a cap so you can get 50m/800m total instead of 50m/2b...we just have no idea what the cap is

[zinc geyser]

Dynamic sure I bet it's coded that way lol

[zinc geyser]

Feels bad for the fresh players that can't do over 1x and they only get 3 items per raid

[torpid jasper]

Which fresh players

[cunning dirge]

how can someone test the cap tho?

[swift jungle]

T10s and T11s are still seperated btw

[torpid jasper]

The t10 players that are matched against/with other t10s?

[cunning dirge]

i feel worse for AL -100 vs AL 100+ :v

[zinc geyser]

That's what I meant

[cunning dirge]

that's T11 tho

[zinc geyser]

I know a lot of 250 0 als

[torpid jasper]

Well thankfully, the idea is that the cap will prevent this from being a problem

[cunning dirge]

lol then git gud xD

[torpid jasper]

If you believe the cap is not helping post screenshots

[swift jungle]

I mean I'll see how much damage I can do on a 250 0AL and report back, I don't think it'll be a big problem though

[torpid jasper]

"to ensure players cannot drastically outperform others"

[heavy vault]

When do you get the rewards for the raids?

[stark sonnet]

You wait, they are delayed

[swift jungle]

When they load, sometime after the raid dies

[heavy vault]

Thanks!

[zinc geyser]

80m seems full items which I'm okay with just no way is a fresh t11 doing that. I'm all for balance and fairness

[swift jungle]

AL 0 Beowulf with Arisen Spiritgarm, 12.5m damage in 60 seconds

Waiting to see what I get for loot

[winter sage]

What gear? Asking for a friend.
-# It’s me. I’m the friend. If you can’t even be your own friend, what have you got?

[frosty narwhal]

im going to move the goal posts again. do it on base realm, no event items. regular chimera

[swift jungle]

I'm not HOCing out of Realm, you can't fool me

[torpid jasper]

Heretic's looking mighty fine this patch of the year

[winter sage]

Woof. I have none of that lmao.

[swift jungle]

Aside from the lute, it's basically random junk 😆

Fairly good random junk, but I don't believe any is best in slot for people who actually play beo

[winter sage]

Random godforged junk

Lmao

[swift jungle]

Funny enough the Lute and Shoes are the best items and they're what I haven't GFed yet

But Wyrmhunt is the time to godforge anything demonforged and sitting around

[swift jungle]

Now I'll see what I can do on AL 0 Heretic

[torpid jasper]

Hm well might not be too much

[swift jungle]

Is Ara Vestaga the one that does big damage with the sigil flask?

[torpid jasper]

AV3

[swift jungle]

Ty

[torpid jasper]

Vestaga got nerfed

Av3 raid will do well even at 0 al

I've been using it over ultima. Sequencer nukes my ward too much for longer raiding

[swift jungle]

How do you keep applying sigils?

Or do you just, not?

[torpid jasper]

You do big nukes

Charge up flasks beforehand

There's a good bit of setup this way

[swift jungle]

I should move this to the Heretic chat. I can slap together a Beo build but I need more assistance for this I think lol

[torpid jasper]

I can send a ss

[swift jungle]

https://discord.com/channels/748188991852904621/811254572042420245

[zinc geyser]

You only get like 3 or 4 items for 1x damage @swift jungle ?

[swift jungle]

The popup didn't appear but I definitely got more than that

[zinc geyser]

Not bad at all

[cloud estuary]

What is the maximum damage to get the rewards?

[swift jungle]

An internal dynamic limit ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cloud estuary]

🥴

I thought Odie would set a limit, like in the kingdom raids.

[winter sage]

I’ll give it a try in a few hours, but from what I’m seeing it’s working

We may not know how it’s working, but it’s working

[torpid jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[frosty narwhal]

! remind farm arisen nagamaki

seems like in t10 I could farm this gear pretty readily

[drowsy sparrow]

If we are all good with the event gear loop grind. I would like to put forward some tweaks I would like to see as stats on the weapons before too much time has passed for this event

I have two images. One with X and the other with the same weapon from Y.

Thief weapon lost 10 attack, 50 mana, and 3 crit to gain 60 dex

Warrior weapon lost 20 attack, 60 HP, and 1 crit to gain 160 dex

For a thief weapon with not a ton of uses, it is strange to me that it costs more stats than the axe to add dex.

[opaque sage]

That's what we call the thief tax 🙂

/s (sort of)

[drowsy sparrow]

Ayo

[opaque sage]

Im not overly worried about the weapons

The thief and warrior gear needs to have +foresight like the mage equivalents though.

And if we are lucky, maybe a class bonus, though I don't expect that

[cobalt girder]

Its interesting to see that the warrior and thief gear are so similar

[drowsy sparrow]

I didn’t see the foresight on the mage/vallallen gear

[deep oriole]

Agreed. Would love to see more separation there

[winter sage]

Only tangentially related, has anyone seen a Riftbreak recently? (This is on topic, because I need it for the Archpath, lol.)

I’m 99% sure they haven’t completely stopped spawning, but they certainly seem rarer than a week ago. I’m a fiend for GPS content of any sort, and a week or two ago I was participating in multiple Breaks per day. I don’t think I’ve even seen one in a week (or close to that)!

[cunning dirge]

i've seen 1 in 3 days

and it was like out of my "places to reach" so i was mad lol

[glad tendon]

I ran into one that spawned right outside of my work as I clocked out

Really wondering if I'll manage to find a second at this rate though lol

[winter sage]

I’m still at 0/2. Every other Archpath quest has been done for days.

[cunning dirge]

same

[spring hearth]

they exist, theyre just inconvenient

[cunning dirge]

x3 their spawn rate already please xD

[glad tendon]

Yeeeah. Can't say I'm a fan of the Archpath quests involving luck if they're a limited time thing

[cunning dirge]

i have 2 months to do it, and i'm sure i'll fail it at this rate :x

[glad tendon]

Is the timer only on Android or something? I think I've yet to see it

[spring hearth]

im running Orna on emacs, idk what youre talking about

[raw berry]

How... specific

[swift jungle]

Apple is being slow about approving the app update that adds the timer

For now it is only on Android

[coral comet]

Anyone know the t10 cap for full rewards?

[swift jungle]

Dynamic™️

Basically, no, nobody knows at all. Maybe Odie does, but he isn't telling how it works 😆

[coral comet]

Gotcha appreciate it ^_^

[winter sage]

I do love the implication that Odie might not know either /lh

[zinc geyser]

Is anyone still have Y's not spawn sometimes? Yes ive checked my VD

[swift jungle]

Bug report: #1369340832657707211

[zinc geyser]

Talking in here about it will prob get it fixed faster tho

[kindred depot]

I just wanna say these changes are much better. Now I actually have a chance to hit the bosses and get some Apollyon Y gear. Thanks

[winter sage]

FWIW, Odie has said this thread is not the place for bug discussion. (Which I get.)

[swift jungle]

I was talking to Odie in here while writing the bug report, so he's aware of it

[winter sage]

And I know Odie does look at #1084635587715281028 a lot

[zinc geyser]

ive seen bug reports never get looked at but okay got it

[swift jungle]

That would be one of the reasons Mochi now monitors the channel I'd imagine

[static lance]

We do now have our lovely Entomologist, Mochi

[winter sage]

Now if only NF needed an etymologist...

[zinc geyser]

perfect going to bump my old bug reports then lol

[dense raven]

Nice to see the studio growing

[tame locust]

They do get logged internally, so please never bump. We will determine priority

[restive temple]

New NF member = new Ornaversary raid boss?

-# (Mochi, please drop reskins of Sumner Off-Hand and Autumna/Nocturna everything. Thanks in advance! 😅)

[dense raven]

That's the main reason they hired him

[coral comet]

I wanna beat up all the members

Its only fair :/

[dense raven]

I don't know how they will tell him he is fired, just after ornaversary 😔

[coral comet]

https://tenor.com/view/mochi-hammer-poundig-mochi-rice-cakes-gif-15910819

Us^

[paper hollow]

Anyone knows the sweet spot / damage total for these raids bosses now?

And yes, hitting it or killing it after a specific time can get you minimum rewards regardless if you did around 100m damage

[winter sage]

I was going to try and hit some Polly today but life said No. :(

[spring hearth]

i know that the minimum reward is not like a kingdom raid, you can get 0 items for doing very little dmg

otoh I once got an ornate balor staff in t6 that carried me to t9 for doing 5k

but theres no sweetspot. play as much as you have time for. try to hit all the raids or hit one really hard, itll even out basically

[keen thunder]

i've been doing 120m and the raids always drops max rewards (10 proof of fellings)
trying to do lower now and see how low i can go before getting <10 proofs

[cosmic fiber]

(use the YACO next time 👌 https://codex.fqegg.top/)

[cosmic fiber]

We ALL should just agree to do only 1 mil dmg. If it is dynamic, everybody will get full rewards. 👀

https://tenor.com/view/ill-spread-the-word-randy-marsh-south-park-s13e4-the-queef-sisters-gif-22806229

[keen thunder]

i think there's a minimum to that "dynamic" damage cap to receive a certain amount of rewards, idk though

and some of us cant really do 1m dmg in a hit (or two)

[cosmic fiber]

You are saying your attack button do 1mil+ turn 1?

That would require .... 1.000.000 mil attack.

[keen thunder]

ofc not x), what i mean is that its hard to get the exact amount

[coral comet]

What if it just splits rewards perfectly then xd

[cosmic fiber]

+/- cmon

[coral comet]

Everyone gets 200m

[keen thunder]

even 1.1m or 0.9m, its kinda hard

[keen thunder]

but yeah anyways, ill maybe try to get the numbers on this

[coral comet]

Too op haha

[worthy flint]

what do u guys think about these 2 things?

• Localizing the raid to 1 instance per version with infinite health, receiving rewards upon exiting the battle and repeatable for 30 min. No despawning/respawning, no need to sync with others or a timer.

• Turn-based capping system instead of a timer to replicate the fast-paced raiding of last year's event. For example, for t11, the raid dmg limit increases over the first 5 turns (2/6/12/20/30%), then by 2% per turn, and, similarly, t10 with 7 turns can be sth like (2/5/8/12/17/23/30%).

[scarlet ridge]

So do the raids have a 3m lifetime, and any damage over that 3m is wasted?

[old lava]

Yep

[scarlet ridge]

Ok that makes sense now.

[solemn mountain]

Is the 3m from when they spawn, or when I enter the battle?

[cosmic fiber]

Spawn

[polar rivet]

Sad part is on ios i dont see the timer. Idk why

[modest moss]

Don’t think there is. I hit a couple of X that no one else was hitting with just one buff less hit and got max rewards

[edgy vector]

Not a problem, just an interesting observation. With how the raids are now, we won't get any more codex kills than we already have

[worthy flint]

Putting it this way: a training cactus with the above cap system would grant rewards upon leaving, based on damage dealt, but replace the cactus with Apollyon instead.

[soft dock]

the new system is kinda confusing

[rugged belfry]

It's very clear

And very sane for NF

[stark sonnet]

Just do as much DMG as you can and you get rewards, I've yet to get less than 100% reward with about 60-80m even with people doing 100m dmg

[void mica]

I like new system. I went in twice and didn't get robbed after doing ~100m damage like I was before. I got a single drop once with 90m damage. Now I'm actually getting rewards, so I loves

[pearl fox]

It's on an update, but I think it didn't make to IOS yet.

[cosmic fiber]

Completely reasonable to spend X minute doing max dmg on raid (several times his HP pool), to get 1x reward at top (if there is no other crazy person doing it) and pray that it is raid that wasn't there for 2,5 minutes and your dmg actually counts. 🙃

[stark sonnet]

android is currently 3.16.13 on my phone

and sometimes the timer just disappears >< , and other times it doesnt spawn new mobs when the count down is done...but overall it seems like were in a great space now.

[fluid light]

Updating here per my experience:
Apolly X - ~30kk dmg
Apolly Y - ~65kk dmg

Those are the thresholds i get max rewards about 95% of the time

[stark sonnet]

For Y, ive seen the same, for X it depends on if anyone is even hitting it in my experience.

[torpid jasper]

Almost like it's...

dynamic

[stark sonnet]

It can be dynamic ... And have a minimum threshold/ maximum threshold

[torpid jasper]

Are y'all planning on just not doing as much damage as you can for a couple minutes

[fluid light]

Definitely. If e set amount is working for me im not going above it heheh

It becomes counterproductive

[torpid jasper]

More damage = more rewards

[fluid light]

For me*

[torpid jasper]

Just don't go for over 100m or something

[fluid light]

If im getting 100% rewards @ 60kk dmg im not sure why i'd wanna go beyond

[torpid jasper]

Because someone else might go for 100m and take some of your rewards

Up to you of course but there is some competition

[fluid light]

I still get 100% in that scenario. Also if 60kk becomes insufficient in a shard i can always increase it a bit.
It takes time for me to get to 60kk, i cant just lacunus 3x and be done with it 😂

[stark sonnet]

I had a few runs with people getting 110m and i still got 100% rewards at 50-60m

No point in wasting smelly shrooms/berserk shrooms when i dont need to hit 100-130m

[rugged belfry]

It's better for NF that people don't understand how it works exactly

[zinc geyser]

Ive only been getting one item from the first Y I hit. Im guessing the timer runs out when I get in there.

[fluid light]

Yeah, definitely. For me 60kk has been proven to be tryhardproof so far :v

[stark sonnet]

I havent noticed anything about this '3' min timer. But my fights dont go over 3 minutes, so maybe thats what NF ment

[cunning dirge]

so why isn't everyone just hitting 10-20m which is the boss hp basically?

[fluid light]

That would take sense of community and i dont think ppl are there yet 👀

[winter sage]

I haven't had a chance to do it in a few days (life kicking my ass, lol), but before the "infinite health" change I'd typically hit for only a few million, except in rare cases where it didn't die.

I think hitting for 10m in three minutes is likely going to be outside my ability still, lol

[winter sage]

As Knight411 joked, prisoner's dilemma

[fluid light]

I blame capitalism

Specifically neoliberalism

[old lava]

Didn't knight put on 12m damage in 1 minute on a 0 AL beoH yesterday? Which means buffing was involved. So a 0 AL beoH could easily get 30m+ damage in 3 minutes time. I only say 30m because you're likely not going in on the full 3 minutes. Sounds pretty easy for everyone to get max rewards if they really wanted it tbh

[winter sage]

Requiring a specific celestial class isn't really accessible to everyone, and Knight was using a ton of GFed gear

Not really disagreeing, but context is important

Lots of fresh t10 players cannot replicate Knight's build, or even come close

[old lava]

Im guessing reg beo could do it too. I see ppl a fraction of my AL out damaging me 😂

[winter sage]

Beo is kind of OP at raiding, yes

I should try my 0 AL Beo. I do have ASG.

[frosty narwhal]

I shared my realm build using a GF tempest bow. 8m damage in t10 got full drops just using swordplay 3

[winter sage]

My grear is absolute crap tho, lmao

[frosty narwhal]

Like sure there is a surt chest there but it’s not doing a whole lot

Maybe a problem still exists in t11 AL 0? This amount of damage is more equal across all players in t10 but idk

[swift jungle]

AL 0 Beo base, not BeoH

[winter sage]

Ah, okay

[old lava]

My bad I thought you used beoH. Did you do the heretic run?

[winter sage]

I still think the gear difference will become apparent real quick, but I can try to compare

[swift jungle]

Yes, any T10 can replicate my build with a Beo charm and Freyr Charm and some random items

[winter sage]

Now I kind of want to actually

[swift jungle]

I gave up because I don't know how to build Heretic lol

[frosty narwhal]

FYI I was using raider spec with fey chimera

[swift jungle]

Ensseric's run shows that RS is reasonably able to do it too though, RS has always been a decent raid class

[old lava]

I prefer ultima sequencer still.. I don't get those big ara numbers like I see everyone else doing and I die more on what should be a more survivable build haha

[frosty narwhal]

To that point I should do some raiding on the alt and get better gear

[swift jungle]

I can build QC Ultima Sequencer, Goody Phil was trying to walk me through Ara Vesta stuff and I couldn't get it feeling right

[winter sage]

Best I can do. Will give it a try later. (Ignore the amities; I have zero relevant amities for pet damage. )

[stark sonnet]

I mean for beo + asg i just run 5% max hp regen to try to ofset all the dot dmg. it will do its own thing as long as you buff it then redline

[winter sage]

I have HP regen on one of those amities. Can of course swap to Tamer spec, though will need this to pay off to swap back because I'm kind of orn-poor right now lmao.

[swift jungle]

Tamer

There's a spec for that

[winter sage]

Yep, literally just said that lmao

[swift jungle]

Oh sorry, I replied to what you replied to me with without reading more 😅

Your shield should probably be a real shield instead of that though

A tiny amount of pet stats matter less if you're dead

The boots should probably also be something with ward

[stark sonnet]

As a side note, I avoid snotra, buff with golem/protection, and when you redline you will just 0 out his dmg until about 30m

[winter sage]

Valid, lol. I have an Ornate Polished Aegis, which isn't great but 137% Ward isn't awful

Boots might be harder to find something. Might need to strip an othersoul, lol.

[rain flame]

Time bug

[rugged belfry]

You could keep your main Beo in chrono + follower stat gear and assassin if you have, that's what I do

Like this, beastfelled have extra damage, rest is just assassin gear and baguette to reduce ASG debuffs, but nothing is mandatory

[winter sage]

I only have one Beo and 90% of the times I play it is for memory hunting, so would prefer not to. (A couple memory hunts earns enough to swap specs, so it's not a huge deal. But also, I'm not getting a second Beo for a while, lol, since I don't even have a celestial class for my main yet. )

[rugged belfry]

Again it's not necessary to have a celestial class, Beo will do tho

[winter sage]

Yeah, that was specifically in response to the suggestion that I set up a Beo in any particular way without intention of changing it

I don't have that luxury yet, lol

[drowsy sparrow]

I gotta say once again. This has been a great update to the event! Thanks again for the hard work over the weekend and outside of hours to make this event come true

[torpid jasper]

[stark sonnet]

how back logged are yall in rewards? i hit 7x ys that last round and only got rewards for 1 ><

[winter sage]

Still missing some from a few days ago. Accepting I may never get them. Most of them would’ve been weak anyway. Not especially fussed.

[stark sonnet]

i jsut did 8, and got rewards for the 1st and thats it, did 2xs to test, and got their rewards almost right away, doing 50-60m dmg 😕

[trim rock]

the last time i raided polly all rewards were given out when the timer has 60s left and any damage dealt after that was ignored

coupled with the raids not refreshing bug i got rewards for ~15 raids in 30 mins

[stark sonnet]

I did a second run, and grabbed a screen shot, and this time i got 8/8 rewards

first round i only got 2/8 so not sure whats going on

[zinc geyser]

Has the codex not counting Y kills been brought up?

[old lava]

Codex kills only count when you're the final blow. Being infinite health, no one is getting the final blow so no codex kill count

[rich comet]

Did "GIVE ME BEGUILED AXE X" guy have any luck so far?

[winter sage]

I think he did!

[rich comet]

Oh hell yeah. Saw them a bunch throughout the event.

I've gotten an ornate of blade Y but no axe yet, still hoping for that one.

[drowsy sparrow]

I am going to bump this. I think the gear stat distribution is unequal based on what class you play

When I get some time I will use YAC like Gurnnink said

[winter sage]

Anecdotally, this is much better!

So, I think what the problem is—and this isn’t really NF’s fault—is that I still have no timers on the raids. I hit this one quite a bit, but I think most of my damage was after the third minute. I have no real way of knowing.

Also probably doesn’t help that there are multiple Beos in this instance hitting for 20-40 CORRECTION 100+ million or more in the time it takes me to hit for 3-4 million.

Dynamic caps or no, that’s probably not helpful me lol.

[old lava]

A little confused why everyone is complaining about the gear not being equal amongst the classes..? There are several raids where the gear is aimed at a class specifically while the rest of the gear is mediocre or bad for every other class

Heretic just got its rework and this gear is pretty meh but seems to be aimed at us. Unless you're going for bof, then supposedly bis

[winter sage]

Also seconding what others have said about reward delivery being really inconsistent in speed. Most of my raids have delivered the rewards instantly—like, the moment I tapped Flee. But there’s one Y which I put 6mil on and haven’t gotten any notification for yet.

Unless 6mil was too little to get anything at all, even a bit of gold and exp?

Yeah, I hit three Y total (small enough number that I can easily know precisely) and only one of the three has “paid out.” Which is frustrating because I still can’t finish the codex for Y since I haven’t yet managed to get all the drops.

Also, looks like there aren’t any of the little red world mobs around Balor right now?

My world set uses a BoG and I usually have a Torch running, so I get a lot of spawns. Didn’t see a single Apprentice among them, however.

[swift jungle]

I had them when I just re-tested for #1369340832657707211

[winter sage]

Ah, that probably explains why two-thirds of the Y I hit didn’t reward anything.
-# Consumed my potions tho.

That’s disappointing. I guess I’ll hold off on using any more Balor Mnemonics until it’s fixed (or at least until I can see a timer).

Finished codexing X, at least. So that’s something!

Now just need Y and the little guys

[swift jungle]

Are you on iOS? The timer was fully working for me and no longer needed to be reloaded by fighting stuff

[winter sage]

Yep. Unfortunately.

[glad tendon]

The curse of iOS

[winter sage]

(I get that that part’s not NF’s fault.)

[winter sage]

I’d jump ship if I could. After over a decade in this ecosystem, I’d just lose too much by doing so. (Also, as discussed in the beta threads, I like that iPhones are—or at least have been—available in the “old fashioned” aspect ratio. Even if Orna doesn’t play well with that ratio.)

[glad tendon]

Yeahhh I’m in the same boat re: losing a bunch, I’ll probably pull the trigger eventually

This event doesn’t have anything particularly notable for BeoA does it? I haven’t seen anything but that doesn’t mean much lol

[winter sage]

Not specifically designed for BeoA, no. BeoA might be able to use the gear but there aren’t any pet-focused passives or anything. ETA: Except the Lute, which I forgot about.

Which makes it all the funnier that BeoA is the single best class in the game at clearing them.

[swift jungle]

The lute, actually

[winter sage]

Ah, fair

[winter sage]

The Y is actually pretty nice. Beo likes the Dex.

[drowsy sparrow]

Dude, that lute is the best weapon in the game. No other non cele weapon on compete with the damage stats, dex, and ward that puppy can have

That was the whole reason I looked at the gear so closely

[winter sage]

I should be trying to get that, actually

I think my build would like the X better, but would take either

IDK if I'm gonna get either tho, lol

[abstract star]

I mean, it's nice and all, but the best? I feel like those malus kind of bring it down, no? How many slots does it have? Don't get me wrong, I am trying for it too just because gotta collect em all mentality here

[winter sage]

5 slots, so 8 at Godforge if my math is correct?

[abstract star]

I def would put it in the top 5

[winter sage]

The maluses would actually hurt me because I speficically play elements, but playing around that might actually be fun

It would certainly have niche uses at the very least

[drowsy sparrow]

And the melee weapon offerings are not even worth noting on a spread sheet.

[abstract star]

Isn't the axe something folks go for too?

[drowsy sparrow]

This is why I am saying there is a huge gear disparity in quality

[winter sage]

The axe is pretty good for some builds, I think

In terms of armor, the hood is kind of nice for its new Hera passive. Not sure it's BiS, but it's cool.

[drowsy sparrow]

Like? Im a AL 75 gilga main and I don’t see a use case for the Y axe

[winter sage]

The robe has more competition, lol

I don't think I'd ever choose a Beguiled Robe over a Heretic's Robe or (if I had it) some of the Aaru stuff

But the hood is nice

[abstract star]

I don't know, I am genuinely asking - I know the sword is useless and I think the quarterstaff and staff don't have a good appeal either

[winter sage]

I haven't seen anyone talk about the staff or the sword

[abstract star]

yeah they seem meh

[winter sage]

The Axe, I know is sought after but idk precisely why

The Lute, I hadn't seen before just now but it does indeed look nice

[drowsy sparrow]

I think the X axe is looked after for scaling reasons. With anguish adjustments maybe Y will be helpful. But I found very little issue last patch with hitting foes

I admittedly know very little about summoner. But this 1 handed weapon looks awesome for some auto completion of dungeons

[swift jungle]

I know Ensseric really likes the Quarterstaff

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[drowsy sparrow]

To me that makes it a good weapon that offers something interesting in the gear landscape. The melee weapons dont have the same appeal.

If that is intentional thats fine I can move on. But if it isnt I would like to point out the shortcoming in this feedback thread.

Specifically if you compare how much dex the axe got vs the thief weapon. I have a snip above with some details

[winter sage]

Genuine question: What could the melee weapons offer?

Basically, for non-heretics who fight their own battles, what the Beguiled XY gear offers is a lot of Dex (and maybe some small additional bonus based on weapon type - like, the lute offers some pet stats but a lot of lutes do that; it's a lute thing).

One might even say that the lute and the quarterstaff have pet and summon stats (respectively) only because Beo and GS don't care about their own stats as much

[abstract star]

I have noticed a lot of warrior gear has higher dex in general, I think thats because Dorado has higher dex naturally right? I noticed this a few patches ago (a year?) when they added Dex to some items for warrior and it was all higher dex than rogue stuff

[drowsy sparrow]

This is because the gear landscape at the time did not offer any gear that warriors could equip that had dex. Dorado had nothing to do about it

[winter sage]

Jokes aside, that actually got discussed here

[drowsy sparrow]

Personally I hate this rhetoric btw. It just sparks more bad blood between the forever war of class green grass comments

[winter sage]

Fair. I meant it as a joke, mostly, but point taken.

It admittedly doesn't add anything of value, so I'll delete it

[drowsy sparrow]

To answer this question, I have found that dex is easy to find for warrior/theif because almost all cases I use pumkinless pieces anyways. That is a whole nother discussion thread.

Additionally very often I use a cele bow (which also has godly dex) in my main hand so again. Unless some odd meta pvp gaming. Dex isnt too bad to find in the hundreds

[drowsy sparrow]

All good! I could tell you ment it light hearted. But I have seen the forever wars in this discord and I try to avoid the jokes

[winter sage]

Fair!

[chrome sable]

The best weapon in the game is definitely an exaggeration, is it good? Yes, but the 25% faction bonus is not that great, as we've seen on the X weapons for over a year now and they are rarely used/it's very niche, and the maluses are actually quite big as they also affect your pet as well.
Comparing it to something like an AFC which has nearly +600 more att and mag for the trade off of 320 dex, 1 adorn slot (not taking ward into account as both are most likely to be used in dule lute builds so ward doesn't really matter much)

A celestial Lute filled with Selene hands will also greatly out perform it damage wise, even more than the faction bonus if you played BeoH/Deity, for example my C.lute with 5x Selene hands currently gives +1700 att & mag, taking into account the +75% hybrid bonus using just the weapons stats that's 2975 att & mag which scales even higher with your own stats/ALs

The only area I can see the lute being used is for BeoH towers as the dex is specifically for that class, deity would rather AFC as it doesn't need dex, and BeoH BoF live PvP, as even for Conq PvP you're gonna need that extra DMG unless you have the ALs to back it up

Overall though I do agree with the point you made about it being better than any other weapons that are specifically from this event, but I feel it's more so the other weapons need a boost than the lute needing a nerf

[drowsy sparrow]

Yeah definitely agree that cele anything is far and away better then any non cele weapon at this time.

I think that there is not another (base) weapon that is as offensive and defensive oriented then the lute in the game. I am willing to see my point of THE BEST as a stretch . The afc has the best offensive stats, but noteably lacks defensive stats.

The L lute does not have a downside. In the current off hand max adornment meta it is the best option.

Using the same point on thief gear. The beg blade is much worse on all stats then afbc.

Which is why may main point is, if the lute is going to be as ground breaking, are the other weapons meant to do that same?

[chrome sable]

Maybe giving the blade more Mana (like a lot more mana) allowing it to at least somewhat make up for the lack of ward in a niche way of solving RS Mana problem

[worthy flint]

At this point, other players' damage has become less impactful, so just turn the event into AW with 3-min re-entry and rewards granted upon leaving. At least I could see a new Y

[drowsy sparrow]

That could work. And let players slot chrimson pinions more freely

[chrome sable]

Would give the gear a niche of being a big Mana weapon for RSers without the massive usual massive HP down (and wouldn't be crazy broken as it has 0 ward)

[sturdy aurora]

I don't see Lute Y as an OP weapon, isn't lute X give more atk/mag? it just have no dex
And when compare to AFC, is 1 more slot make up to the atk/mag different?

[cosmic fiber]

yea, X has 1529 vs Y 1316 att/mag ...

Beg is better in terms of "defense" - ward/hp/mp above AFC. Only time it will make more dmg is, when you use it with faction element ....otherwise AFC for win, also cuz 5% follower act. Who cares about slot.

[drowsy sparrow]

Is there an alternative to a 10 slot, high dex, split stats weapon that has the ward this does?

The weapons that thief has with close to that much dex that are not cele weapons have draw backs

[raven sinew]

what lens are you looking at the weapon through? for me, any weapon I look at is through the lens of ultima(/strikes) and whether I can turn a 3 turn raid into a 2 turn, since dungeons have so many solutions at this point it's a non-issue

[drowsy sparrow]

I was thinking anguished towers. Where starting ward, hybrid hands, high crit AV2 builds are prevalent

The faction damage is a nice thing in rare cases

[raven sinew]

that, or live pvp since player power isn't bloated to hell there. and there honestly, I think the foresight with the new 3 element skills will make the staff an absolute monster

[drowsy sparrow]

What 3 element skills?

[raven sinew]

the new hera skills, infernus mire, gale volcanis etc

[drowsy sparrow]

Gotcha

[high hull]

I don't understand the new raid system. It's not aw but it feels like infinite hp. Does it do anything to go beyond the raid total hp when you don't get more than 1 reward ?

[fluid light]

30k on X and 60kk on Y always nets me full rewards.
Playing alone i got fullnrewards with 23kk on X and 40kk on Y

[glossy solstice]

It is really nice but as a beo I don't think it replaces celestials or swansong for me in any content. That could change in the future

[drowsy sparrow]

I guess I am off base with the lute being as meta defining as I thought it to bed. Thank you all for the engagement and opinions on it.

I would still like to point out the staffs and lute have more appealing stats than the melee weapons. And that is something that most people have agreed with.

I would also note that the mage gear has passive and foresight while the warrior/thief does not

[winter sage]

I can kind of understand the passive on the mage gear. Whenever a class has been reworked, passives have been added to existing gear, usually corresponding to an event that comes shortly after the rework.

Beastfelled gear got Avidity

Avalon gear got Apex

Etc.

The Polly gear got Hera passive because of when the event fell relative to the rework

I don't think it's more complicated than that

[old lava]

I'll just drop this here

[winter sage]

My impression is that there is indeed a lot of CD gear in the game

Pretty much any random axe you get from a mob or boss drop is probably gonna have CD boost

[old lava]

There is. Gilga has a TON of gear

[winter sage]

Doesn't mean most of it is optimal, and some of it may not even be that usable, but it exists in large quantities

[swift jungle]

Gilga got the easiest passive to put on random pieces of gear

[old lava]

The only thing that really isn't usable is the diabolus gear. It's rough lol

[fluid light]

I think thats mostly because it was implemented first maybe. Most of the weapons never actually see use

Even without celestials we'd see basically finesses GS and labrys being used

Implemented first or actually looked at first i dont remember the timeline lol

[zinc geyser]

I just killed 11 Y's in 30 mins! I think that spawn bug is fixed thanks Odie!

[winter sage]

Woo, I'll give it a try again later then!

Thanks for the heads up!

[torpid jasper]

Diabolus got worse positive stats and greater negative stats as a tradeoff for a minor passive increase

[rich comet]

Did something change with the Apo spawns? They seem very, very smooth today. Literally like clockwork, no raids seem to be lingering past respawn time.

[swift jungle]

Yes

https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1369340832657707211

[winter sage]

Nice!

[high hull]

I can see a timer at the top of the screen "next event in " so you can even track it

[winter sage]

I probably still don't have the timer, because Apple sux

But if the raids are turning over, that's good enough for me

[abstract star]

Does the X and Y gear have a chance to be available at Monument or is it only the old base?

[winter sage]

I have not seen it in the Monument guild

Super-raid gear doesn't appear there

I'm guessing the XY gear doesn't either

Or I'm just really unlucky

[abstract star]

Yeah super raid doesn't but I didn't think X and Y were considered Super Raids?

[swift jungle]

The monument guild has a blanket filter against:

1. Legendary rarity items
2. Items that drop from raids that do not come from Summoning Scrolls

[abstract star]

ah didn't realize legendary that makes sense

[swift jungle]

On https://codex.fqegg.top/#/ if you filter by Tags = World Raid that should show the raids that are legal for their drops to be in the guild

Well, the event ones on that list anyway

[winter sage]

Is the Beguiled Katar not legendary rarity? I thought it was. But I’ve definitely seen it in Monument Guild.

[swift jungle]

Famed

[winter sage]

Famed, apparently

lol

I’m slow

Also explains why I still don’t have a Mightiest Mimic Head

I’m missing only 7 drops from TMM’s drop pool (which isn’t bad considering I’ve only raided it maybe half a dozen times), but that darn Legendary rarity drop is one of them

[stark sonnet]

0 garb, 1 armor....and this monstrosity

[tame locust]

iOS update is available fwiw

[winter sage]

Deleted that last message because I was wrong. Rewards are a tiny bit slow but are being delivered, and it looks like all the other issues have been corrected

Honestly, amazing work!

Yep, there it all is!

Great job, NF team!

[crisp sundial]

I can appreciate the specificity

[winter sage]

See if you can get pi

[bitter bluff]

Yes, I was about to write the same 😄

[vocal mountain]

Aπllyon

[golden oyster]

sooo, what do we have to do to secure full loot in the end ?

totally lost on this event

cant imagine how lost players who are not on discord must be

[stark sonnet]

12m gets you 5 proofs, and all armor. To get 10 proofs and max chance at weapons you need 50-60m

[drowsy sparrow]

Hit raid get loot

Looks just like kingdom raids. I assume most non discord players dont max/min all events

[winter sage]

At t10, I was usually getting full loot at 6mil

Sometimes as low as 4mil

It does take a few minutes to be delivered sometimes. Don’t be impatient like I was, lol.

[north narwhal]

deal as much damage in first 3 minutes as possible and hope you beat all other players

[golden oyster]

ok, so nobody knows what's going on 💩
Thanks @stark sonnet for what looks like to be the closest answer to some truth 👍

[torpid jasper]

Those numbers aren't real though

It's also based on how many people are there with you. They might be fine ballparks but I've gotten full rewards with less

[tame locust]

there is no good answer, because the limit is dynamic and based upon what your instance-mates are doing at any point

the best advice is just to deal what you can - the system will reward you fairly

[golden oyster]

[stark sonnet]

I have yet to get less than 10 proofs so I'll keep doing what I do

[torpid jasper]

I suggest that yes

More damage = more chances at full rewards

[golden oyster]

so to summarize if i end up in the same instance as BRYE, i'm done with looting stuff.
And "just in case" i must spent shitton of time on raid spamming button as if it were some AW raid

[drowsy sparrow]

Is that feedback or just a snide comment?

[keen thunder]

was just a joke, it was technically true pre-patch

[torpid jasper]

There is a limit on how much other players can out-do you

But yes, if someone is dealing 300mil damage and you are doing 60m, it won't be enough to secure full rewards

I think, nobody knows what the limits are

[winter sage]

The game is mocking me. I haven’t seen a single Riftbreak in nearly two weeks.

[swift jungle]

I saw one today, dismissed it out of habit, and then was too far away to rejoin it

[sick lark]

Haven't done the event raid in a while, since just before the dynamic damage change or whatever. I thought there was a damage cap and not just reward distribution adjustment

[fluid light]

Rewards are definitely more fair now

Id give it a try, its an easy source of raids!

Tons of proofs of felling too

[restive temple]

And Silk! Silk never seemed so rare until Paths of Fomoria and Thronemakers came along 😅

Thankfully it's cheap at the guilds but I'd rather save those proofs for other mats.

[winter sage]

You can also just kill Arisen Arachne, which are literally every

[restive temple]

Eh...that requires intentionally spending time world farming, which I'm not fond of. Besides, I have wasted countless hourly buffs (such as Seeker's Candles) because I often get distracted haha

If I'm doing dungeons, then they're boss hordes. If I'm playing as passenger princess, then I'm engaged in conquest or inn quests. Neither leaves much room for spider slaying, unfortunately.

Apollyon provides plenty of Silk along with a sprinkle of Realm Ore, niche gear, and Proofs of Felling. His Plight is far more lucrative than killing individual Arachne. Moreso now that the event mechanics have stabilized.

[rain flame]

and that's where the other raid X is?

[winter sage]

I was just in an instance with one person doing a full order of magnitude more damage to every raid than anyone else in the instance. This person was doing 10+ million to every raid, and I was the only other person in the instance breaking 6 digits.

And while that might sound like a complaint, it's actually not. Rather, it's praise for the current iteration of the system - because on the old system, there would've been five people leaving every raid empty-handed and disappointed. On this system, we all profited!

[torpid jasper]

Thank you for reminding me to grind out some BAYs

[winter sage]

^ Assuming my analysis isn’t completely wrong, dont sleep on Polly Y Warrior Boots!

[cosmic fiber]

use some random ward gear, changing only 200% helmets:

hyperion war - 511,8 k
AKC - 493,6 k
ONC - 489,2 k

beg Y warrior - 517,9 k
beg Y mage - 530 k
beg Y thief - 533,1 k

use some random ward gear, changing only 200% boots:

pumpkin - 507,5k

beg Y warrior - 475,9k
beg X warrior - 417,1k
beg Y thief - 493,1k
avalon - 441,3k

[void mica]

Sad to see Pumpkinless is still much better. Has Res, and adorns make lowering defense the way you need easy too. Also two handed bonus and it being dark are also pluses.

Also I'm noob, so I'm just rambling

[torpid jasper]

Idk about much better

[winter sage]

So, Beg Y warrior boots have around 6.2% less Ward than Pumpkinless. For Beg Y Thief, it’s 2.8% less.

I’d say that’s pretty close

Pumpkinless still has more HP, which on paper adds survivability. In practice, does 3k HP matter when something is getting through your ward?

Flipside, does the mana from Beg stuff matter in practice? Maybe to RealmD?

[winter sage]

I didn’t even think about headgear, but the fact Beg Y thief headgear had the most raw Ward of any is actually a more interesting takeaway. 😲

[torpid jasper]

Keep in mind that these numbers are based enfirely on the remaining stats of the build

[winter sage]

Sure, but as long as those are kept constant (as are the adorns on the piece being changed), it’s still a good comparison

Frankly, I’m willing to give benefit of the doubt that Gurnnink knows how to set up a meaningful comparison. lol

[torpid jasper]

Yup good for a ballpark comparison against each other. And the hp definitely matters in a lot of instances as it's often multiplied by 1.5x or 1.85x with ward

[winter sage]

Yeah, I’m assuming the HP bonus to Ward is already captured in those numbers, so in this case I’m looking at it as “if something is getting through my 500+ thousand Ward, does it matter whether I have 15 thousand or 18 thousand HP?”

[cosmic fiber]

those are numbers on high AL build (iirc I put there 100 AL), so even those HP are multiplied by it ...so it is +6k HP or (+12k HP in settlement) and yes it matters

[winter sage]

Fair enough!

Probably wouldn’t matter as much on my AL10 self, lol. But good to know.

[torpid jasper]

Also you won't always have 100% absorption

[winter sage]

I almost never do lol

[torpid jasper]

Ward loses value in that way; if I have 10khp and 1 million ward, my effective HP is 20k turn 1, ~66k after woo

So more hp always matters in those cases

[stark sonnet]

with people turn 1 doing 200k-400k+ dmg it doesnt mater if you have 10k, 20k, 66k effective hp. Unless you are talking about BoF with AL off.

[cosmic fiber]

I have over 100k HP on my Conq Deity build ...so yea, little HP here and there helps to survive turn 1 hit even without 2nd chance

[noble vector]

Hi all. Gravedigging as we will have this up soon. I could work the old system, but no idea on how to farm in the new one. Before criticizing I wanted to understand how it works. What damage do i have to do to get max drop rate, is doing more dmg meaningful?

As GS, I have mildly good instantaneous damage, but poor DPS in the long run, So I feel significantly slower now than before. I want to understand whether I didn't get something, whether I can improve something or it's going to be like this from now on..

Suggestions from fellow GSs are very welcome

[sharp hinge]

Use Ultima or pacts

[minor nova]

Any comments about amorri not being in christmas events? Can't find anything, but been hanging out for 🙁