Archpath Feedback Discussion

[ashen umbra]

Thank you!
For me it's a case of Pandora's Box being opened. Even if this gets changed for the better or removed, it's shown that Orna can move in a way I don't like... to the point that I no longer feel good about it. It's something time will have to determine if that heals or not.
As for the good words... Definitely, yeah. I've had some rough things to say, many directed at Odie. But the team still deserves to hear that they at the very least did a lot right and that can't be understated. Whatever form my frustrations take during this whole thing does not mean to take away from that. They still did a damn good job, and I hope they keep that up.

Edit 1/2 an hour later... signing off for real now. Have fun out there, everyone!

[river ferry]

👀 hence don't add it to loot pools

if it were a loot pool item, make it a 1 per December craftable item in monument guild with the items made to craft it being quest drops

bam, solves the issue of being able to get one lol

[trail skiff]

I agree with this take

[trail skiff]

How far back does it go when you buy the latch stone? Like does it make sense to buy it at the end?

[quartz lance]

When I try to gift a Latchstone to an ally, it shows up as purchasable even when they have already purchased it.

[devout kestrel]

You can purchase multiple.
Its an item in your inventory, in the Other section

[quartz lance]

That sucks, I wanted to give one to everyone in my kingdom who doesn’t have one already

[supple rampart]

well, you can

I'm passing by leaving my feedback on the updated Archpath, the 3 day delay is great, to perfect this I suggest a visual ping, like the Inbox notifications, to help getting our attention/remind us we have still reward to claim.
Good job NF 🫡

[quartz lance]

I can? How would I know who has it already?

[supple rampart]

ask them directly ? unless you want to surprise them

[quartz lance]

Indeed

[radiant prawn]

It will surprise them when they don't need to buy one next month!

[south jacinth]

Caught 5 Fish, was not shown but got another reward. Nice Event, but how does it work? I am confused about it.

[formal bay]

The 5 fish goal for 3 Svargan fishing lines is for players who bought a Latchstone. Otherwise, you get a random reward.

[quartz lance]

It will surprise me if they do battle pass again next month

[noble dock]

The FAQ should help 🙂

#community-announcements message

[hasty cypress]

I hope we see more arch paths; maybe harder ones

[hasty cypress]

Sell all Junk didn't work for today's archpath mission; I sold 127 junk jewels.

[magic tulip]

Individually sold items instead of using Sell All Junk and the quest isn’t updating as well

[still stratus]

sell 100 common mat like wood or potion works for me

[frigid gale]

Is there anyway to buy back shards just accidentally sold a few hundred thousand trying this quest?

(and it didn't complete)

[finite shard]

Selling 100 small mana potions worked perfectly, if you didn't manage to get it done yet

[devout kestrel]

I sold 100 Lucky Coins and 100 Silver Lucky Coins simultabeously. Worked fine for me.

[hasty cypress]

I did potions ya ty

[magic tulip]

Yea, seems like you need to sell a bundle of 100 items or it simply won’t count

[white abyss]

That is not what the quest states to do.

Quests should be clear about what the game is looking for. I vote for a bug not counting junk items.

And just confirmed it.

To complete this quest, players must manually select a total of 100 items, hopefully by using a stack of 100 so you don't press 100 things.

[quartz lance]

I had no problem selecting 25 each of 4 accessories from my junk

Worked just fine. And I am on iphone. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[timid idol]

that's the "sell all junk" button which doesn't work. Selling directly by selecting workds.

[lime oasis]

Have sent these reports to the devs folks - they are looking into it thanks ❤️

[naive surge]

manually selecting 100 items in the junk section and selling selected works. confirmed. I was gru for a second. 🤣

[magic tulip]

I sold without using the junk button but sold less than 100 items and it didn’t count. Seems like you need to sell 100 at once

[noble dock]

bug report was at https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1315545942212087819

[fringe gull]

I literally just bought 100 of the first weapon I saw, sold those and collected my reward. Bish bash bosh, bingo bango bongo.

[real egret]

Smart. I sold the t5 surtr gear I collected farming runes lol

[quartz lance]

Where can you buy 100 weapons at once? 🧐🤔

[desert lantern]

grand markets

[formal bay]

I bought 99 of chainmail leggings from the Grand Market to sell, but game kept crashing when I tried searching, sorting, or filtering in the sell tab. I ended up just flipping pages in the sell tab until I found something with a high enough stack that I didn't need. I sold 100 standard Immortal Jewels for the archpath quest.

[cobalt panther]

That sounds like you could use some inventory cleanup

[formal bay]

I've been working on reducing my inventory hereand there recently. Chest slot seems to be the worst offender at this point as it loads the slowest. I should go through that next.

[naive surge]

🙂 I really want that red banner to say "over encumbered"

[quartz lance]

Ooooh I need to get upgrading

[grave saddle]

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[dim thistle]

I'm not sure how other people feel but is a battle pass disguised with some quests really considered content?

[low rover]

"or a feature like Archpaths", sounds ok to me

[formal bay]

Seems like something a Scruug would do

[noble dock]

Whether or not it’s semantically correct, it’s easy to dismiss something others may enjoy as “not content”. Some may say the same about fishing, yet there are discord servers about it. Some say it about our events, yet they’re enjoyed by thousands. Some may say it about mechanics for your favourite class too 🙂

Regardless, the point of the blurb was to ensure that we know that Archpaths didn’t steal any content we were waiting for, away from us. Does that make sense?

[dim thistle]

It makes sense it's just that I'm having a hard time believing you. It seems like new content is your priority while balance stuff gets put on the back burner

[noble dock]

Well, i can’t really show you any of it until open beta, so all I can offer now is the words above

[naive surge]

I don't know how its being tested but I'm happier with a balance patch taking a longer time in order to be more accurate, 20 years of games where they make knee-jerk balance patches makes me pretty happy with it taking quite a while.

[kind wave]

I agree, I don't think of pvp as content, nor do I think factories are content, yet I am not asking for you to remove them

[supple rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-do-it-gif-10270118

[hasty cypress]

Getting double ornate at the end of battle only counted as 1 tick towards today's festive quest

#FirstWorldOrnaProblem

[supple rampart]

Easy fix, rewrite the quest lore to be : "Loot at least 1 ornate per battle to contribute"

[stark quarry]

I’ve received 7 ornates today but only 2 have counted for the quest. Apparently not all types of battles count?

[quartz lance]

Apparently. I’ve got 16 and none of them counted

So far every day has been broken, fun times

[noble dock]

Where are you getting the ornates? Remember, the condition is met when a battle is finished and at least one Ornate has dropped. It will not double count

[quartz lance]

T8 party dungeons

Looks like stuff from regular dungeons didn’t count, stuff from a dragon roost did

[stark quarry]

Three ornates came from dungeons but only 2 counted even through they were from separate dungeons. None counted from the coliseum or towers.

[magic tulip]

Was any of them EOD? Maybe those are bugged?

[naive surge]

that rock could actually be a pice of Cort. you wont know until you drop it in your refinary 😄

[wraith horizon]

Metamorphic Geology FTW

[thick jetty]

late to the party, t10 on orna and aethric with money spent on both games.

not a huge fan of this at all, the game did not need it and it not having it separated it from many other mobile games.

lots of ways for people to spend money already.... we even have FOMO cosmetic/consumable packs to purchase with time limited events...

[naive surge]

(come back around yearly since each of the previous years seem to be in the store and christmas 🙂 ) but yea that is true.

[formal bay]

There are some really old sprite packs that don't come back like the druid-looking ones for Kerberos.

[naive surge]

i hear Patreon has those? maybe? 😄

[indigo crow]

Raids don't count either.

[worthy gull]

Any reason my horde boss t10 dungeon ornates don't count for today's archpath. I've gained at least 7 dated for today from running anguish 40 and none count towards the path

[noble dock]

you're unlocked, right? used a Latchstone?

[worthy gull]

Yah

I bought it on day 2 before you made first 3 days completable without it

[noble dock]

did you open the archpath screen before doing the dungeons?

[worthy gull]

Yah

I check that screen first to see what I have to do then I decide what I'm actually gonna do

To me checking there is similar to checking guilds for mats

[noble dock]

okay, will continue to look. haven't been able to reproduce yet

[worthy gull]

So for now just go run dungeons until I get the ornates it says and report back after getting another 5

[gray radish]

The packs return same time as their respective events no?

[worthy gull]

Do event NPC quests not count

I made sure to open the archpath. Yes I've got the latch stone used but I've done 3 NPC quests for the beastfelled event and none of them counted

But for some reason regular NPC quests work dispite there only being 2 near me

[noble dock]

Event NPC quests are “story” quests

[manic violet]

But what if I don t have any story quest? I will not be able to complete today?

[noble dock]

The quest is asking for NPC quests, not story quests

[manic violet]

Oh. Sorry. Misunderstood the preview msg

I did one normal NPC quest and didn't count. I will try again

[nocturne sundial]

Were you running them as summoner? I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't count from anything killed by summons

[worthy gull]

Okay I would change it to just be quests as it's confusing for story quests not to count dispite getting the quest from a npc

[worthy gull]

No I was running them as deity ursa

[desert lantern]

I'm noticing some UI changes!

Here's a video for those that haven't seen it yet, for free (first) & for paid (about 22 seconds in)

[cobalt panther]

That is much more explanatory imho

[kind wave]

quests are forever unlocked if you opened on the day that it was open

the only quest that is locked on one of my WV alt, is a day that i did not open in the 3 day range

[kind wave]

welp nvm
was 1 npc quest away from being done and now it's locked

guess now I need to pay the tax to be able to get the final reward?

[slate oracle]

Take out a loan, gonna be like this every month

[kind wave]

if i don't pay, I am missing 1 quest to get the reward
if I pay, I am now missing lots of quest i need to do to get the reward

unless there is a leway added where as long as I completed all minus a few days I can get the final reward

We will see if this is a behavior Odie wants

[formal bay]

Depends on how much you want the rewards. It's mostly just consumables.

[devout kestrel]

I'm still hoping today's quest (Day 12: Kill 20 Arisen Monsters) gets changed at some point 🙏

[kind wave]

true that one IS not compatible with low tier, diluted memory one as well no?

[devout kestrel]

Memory Hunts/DMs are accessible in T3

[hasty cypress]

I'd like if I could check the AP from world map; maybe top left like the OT portal, build and event bubbles

[worthy gull]

You can check it via event tab then clicking 2nd option on the left

[hasty cypress]

That's too many clicks

[indigo crow]

Using whetstones does not count as upgrading equipment apparently.

[surreal field]

Never has

[white abyss]

Yeah, that's an old one from whenever the upgrade items quest first came out.

[silk vector]

Personally I don’t like the idea of archpaths giving extra items to people who pay. Too pay to win for me.

[noble dock]

would you consider them more of less P2W than the previous approach? (paid packs only)

[silk vector]

Slightly less.

[noble dock]

with 50% of the items being available to free track now, where would your barometer change from "slightly" to at least "moderately"?

[outer pendant]

I still don't understand why we just can't get , say the anvils in game without paying. That would resolve I think a lot of people's issues with it. It'd be more or less like shrines (which no one talks about even for how strong they are), you can buy them, but they are available to be obtained via gameplay but super rare.

[noble dock]

Archpaths is designed specifically for this - as you will notice other items that were previously pack exclusive, are now available without paying

[outer pendant]

Yes I agree with that and it's palatable. But I and go as far as to say others would like to see them introduced as obtainable without Archpaths as well. Say anvils were dropped as ornate rarity EoD rewards to where myrk hammers are legendary (i.e not exact)

Everything that's been in the store for the most part has been obtainable in game minus great dowsing rods and anvils, why not these?

[noble dock]

I would say there still needs to be a unique reward structure for this corner of the game - if not unique consumables, then what could it be?

[kind wave]

I mean since people are already acusing you of making it pay to win, might as well go all in and sell an item that turns any item into a 200% quality

mimic aside, it is a big dilema

the anvils don't do naything else then save time,wwhich combining 2 hammers makes almost the same result

fishing lines value droped with the new fishing cap
gold mushroom,. who needs gold pass t10?
spicy downsing rods are real cool if you want to do a build that has no luck gear or again, you are not t10

soo much of it is soo trivial in the grand scheme of things I still don't see how theses give you a clear distict advantage over others, I don't think a pvp race is won by having a lvl 10 item before everyone else, getting it to drop at a good quality will be the deciding factor more then how fast it's level, and even then, idk

[outer pendant]

Answering both yours and Astra's question. They don't imo which Is why I wasn't mad about the new free changes. It works, I was just saying it'd be nice to have these items available in the game itself outside of paths, but I get both sides.

As far as other consumables it could even be something that boosts world farming again with arch alchemy, or an item that makes world monsters hordes for a certain amount of time, you only get a couple via Archpaths, one free, one paid like the anvils. Different tile sets as rewards for say tower floors themselves, non animated and animated for the season via latchkey, super latchkey or something. Like the idea of having a different atmosphere while I'm grinding, this puts more pressure on Covyn, but just an idea. Backgrounds, tile sets etc.

Ability to merge refineries if they never leave the game as well 🤷. It's convience not pay to win. Some of us don't want to click on refineries for 8 hours but would like to hunt them and drag them

[noble dock]

-suggest Archpaths but the final reward is just a +1 material slot for your refineries

[magic tulip]

Maybe as a reward we can get a new item that, when used, nukes a random player’s refineries from the game?

[outer pendant]

This works too lol.

[kind wave]

this, i am not a fan of

that npc quest was in the middle of the week that sadly i was swaped with work. i had 1 quest left to do to finish it.
so unless the final reward change to no longer need all of them cleared, to lets say let a missed days be fine, I am stuck having to pay for the final reward

[twin salmon]

This exact thing is (part of) why battlepasses exist.

Play constantly or pay, and most people default into paying

[kind wave]

Correct me if I am wrong, I avoid battlepass game like the plague.
Arent battle pass just a time-sensitive exp bar where you have x number of days to fill that bar, you pay for progression boost and or a extra reward track, but there is no "cadance" that is forced where you are locked out of finishing it if you havent played every single days/week/etc?

I know for Lost-Ark (i know, oof), there were no "you will not finish it if you missed 3 days"

[ivory oak]

yes, the most famous battle pass ( fortnite ) and the battlepass that every other games copies is like you said

is not "mission per day, and if you miss you cant obtain the final reward", is like "hey, look, you have daily missions, if you do them, we gave you XP. But, if you dont do the missions, you are no locked to not get the final reward ( skin ), but you have to play more later because we grant you XP per match played/win/loss etc

is like a strange iteration of a battle pass, it would be better to use the name "daily missions system with paid catch-up option"

[thorn sail]

nah, just skip this content and be happy xD

[hasty cypress]

Followers, but in hats 👒

But uh seriously maybe a title or badge collection

Shows up on your player profile page and displays your dedication and support for the game

Some months could be harder or require more investment; and those badges could be common upto ornate pending that difficulty

Then the only FOMO is a badge; and if the AP repeat every event, maybe have the tier of badge increase every year they're completed

Common = 1 AP completed
Superior = 2nd iteration of AP completed
Etc etc

Maybe not lifetime proof enough though

AP could be a way to help teach new players the ropes too, or put a veteran players gear and knowledge to the test. Imagine a AP quest that was:

"Open the Help Menu found in your main character page"
"Pry open the Codex and look at a bandit"

https://tenor.com/view/sneak-gif-7882300914136658978

[wraith horizon]

This morning, I successfully completed a T11 horde dungeon and according to the archpath, I killed ZERO monsters.
I'm thinking the description needs to say "Defeat Monsters in the Real World" or however else you want to describe it, if that was the intent.

[trail skiff]

Same. I killed stuff at a wayvessel and I did my personal dungeon and had zero kills. I killed one at my origin town and got one.

[noble dock]

was the Archpath screen opened before doing the actions? that is when the quest is "Accepted"

[naive surge]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-futurama-fry-take-my-money-money-gif-15195954

😄

[kind wave]

Defeat your inner monsters

[still stratus]

fyi, there is a survey on archpath. Click the link from 'News and Event' in game

[kind wave]

This is great, the questions are quick and to the point, but I think this should be spreaded around as it was a tad hard to find

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeaLwwpxOv4LtacY7T3g6Mua9SlwSok4YhvSXmo-E_BQujxxQ/viewform

[silent cloud]

I only found it because i wanted to see when event was going to finish

[kind wave]

shared it around multiple discord, so that people can find it, hopefully so that Odie gets an generalised vviewpoint and not just the dedicated angry players, and mind you, I am not happy with archpath, but Odie should not solely based his content on me or the loud few

[cobalt panther]

It pops up during the daily rewards popups.
...If you don't instantly close those

[kind wave]

My management course I am going through does teach that clients never read and you need to put any important information you want to share at multiple places and multiple format 😂

I can attest i turbo click the daily reward popups unless it's the ornate weapon one in case i get lucky for a questing bow

[fallow island]

Does buying the arch path key give you all rewards, or just the final one? And when?

I just got the 7.99 key, used it, and nothing happened. I don’t get it

[noble dock]

Here's a link to the FAQ: #community-announcements message

[fallow island]

Ok. So the key allows you to get expired quests only, I still have to complete every quest before the month ends or miss out on it?

[noble dock]

last question in the FAQ 🙂

[fallow island]

Ugh. Yeah. I was trying not to do the quests. They’re annoying lol

[formal bay]

Buying the Latchstone requires you to do more quests.

[fallow island]

Yup. Now I have to do them or waste $8

[white abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/battle-pass-gif-24810403

[wraith horizon]

Yes. I opened the Archpath, saw the quest, did a horde dungeon, went back to the archpath, saw zero kills, killed a normal open-world mob, went back in again and saw 1/200.

[magic tulip]

Agree that wording on some quests needs to be clearer. Activated today’s quest, went into the arena and killed someone with a crit -> no credit. Killed an overworld monster and it counted.

[formal bay]

Endless worked for completing today's archpath quest. I tried arena first, too.

[quartz lance]

Neither memory hunt battle nor fishing battles counted towards yesterday’s kills for me

[hasty cypress]

I wrote a comment about feeding their whales

https://tenor.com/view/eating-fish-whale-big-bite-hungry-sea-animal-gif-16709911

[trail skiff]

Anyone do an adornment yet? I did one and it didn't count. 🤔

[surreal field]

I did mine through a jeweller, worked fine.

[silent cloud]

Mine worked fine too

[slate oracle]

Jewel shouldn’t be locked behind a battlepass

[devout kestrel]

Its not.
The Jewel of Destruction is an everyone quest day, so those with Locked Archpaths can also get it.

[slate oracle]

should be a drop

its locked behind a battlepass in the sense that you have to do a battlepass quest to get it

no other way to get it

[ivory oak]

battlepass is a bad term

Is a quest locked by time. No battlepass. Cant be a drop because is a special item and the idea is that every player only can have 1

[cobalt panther]

If dropped by literally anything it'd be the most busted adornment, hands down, at all tiers, due to the fact that you could give it quality

As it is, you get one of it, at 100% quality, which renders it useable at t3-9 and that's about it

[slate oracle]

Scale it down then. Or make it an eod

No item should be locked behind a game pass

[noble dock]

It’s locked behind a quest - a quest that is available to anyone. Just like eod rewards are also locked behind quests

[cobalt panther]

This is no different from an event quest reward locked behind an event npc

[slate oracle]

Are there any other adornments that only come at 100%

[still plume]

You just want to be able to get a 200% version

[white abyss]

Your survey has been out for a week now, and I've just heard about it.

You're more likely to get more input if it's not buried behind 2 menus.

[cobalt panther]

It literally shows up on the main screen every time you launch for the first time each day

If you didn't tap away from it 0.1s after the popup pops up

[fringe gull]

If the survey is battling muscle memory its finnin to lose 😁

[cobalt panther]

I don't disagree, I'm just pointing out that it isn't hidden behind 2 menus

It's dismissed behind 2 menus

[noble dock]

fwiw - this is the spot we’ve always put surveys. We’ve yet to see a response volume issue

[still stratus]

well.. I shared it here on the day it is released

scroll up

[fringe gull]

In all seriousness I was able to find it.

[rapid sigil]

if you don't do a quest in one single day you lose the whole archpath?

[cobalt panther]

You lose the final reward, yes

the quests are available for up to three days back to prevent easily missing out on them, but that far back yeah, you can only do that by buying the latchstone now

[kind wave]

I wish i could pay half or something to unlock that single day i am missing without having to do all the extra quests lol

i am in the same situation and while I want the final reward, I don't want to do 12 extra quests

[cobalt panther]

afaik you don't turn all the old rewards into quests - if you already claimed them as rewards, they remain as such

could be wrong though, i haven't bought a latchstone myself

[kind wave]

would be great because yeah that would be a form of double dipping

[rapid sigil]

I logged in and played everyday I guess I forgot to click that for one single day... geez that is max FOMO stress to buy ...

one way I can buy and easily be done with it

the other I really don't wanna support FOMO psychology business...

[rapid sigil]

💰💩

[slate oracle]

and so it begins...

[kind wave]

thanks for confirming i wont have to do 15 extra quests

[kind wave]

I am lucky enough that I can pay for it without feeling that transaction at all. But it still sucks, my alt aint getting it, tons of people aint getting it.
My ability to spend should not validate this being a good idea. This is the first time I feel like I am spending money on the game not as a "I want to suport the dev"

all the other transactions I had, were for cosmetics with a sense of "They do a good game, yeah I am buying that skin to suport them"

[slate oracle]

same with me

[edgy lily]

I did all the quests on the free path but the final reward disappeared for me. Does anyone have the same problem?

Nevermind it suddenly appeared again. I just tapped around the screen a bit until it showed up

It doesn't let me claim it 😑

[light snow]

Same. Can't claim it

[magic tulip]

Same

[cobalt panther]

The option doesn't even show for me

Final reward is straight up gone?

[gritty jackal]

The final reward is the friends we made along the way

[rapid sigil]

this quest is not moving despite I killed Alfar

[low rover]

IIRC it's the mob, not the bosses (in case you did this "mistake" too)

[cobalt panther]

The bosses should count, too. I did the bosses only and it worked just fine

[cobalt panther]

Record the quest progress as well as you killing alfar and post it to bug reports. That's a fairly serious bug, considering the time sensitive nature of the arcpath plus the fact that alfar go away in January.

[low rover]

Oh ok, then it was just a weird bug on my side. Thank you John

[rapid sigil]

Sadly I tried horde normal, horde boss and Endless and in all nothing worked.

[low rover]

Sorry then, it seems I had an issue too with this quest but it worked on normal horde for some reason. Good Luck with your bug report

[rapid sigil]

thanks, I made the report

[nocturne sundial]

I have this as well, but the final reward button is just invisible. If I press below Day 23 in the blank spot it appears and the option to claim the final reward appears. Only problem is, the claim final reward button is not doing anything (yes I've cleared all the days).

Nvm, I see now you posted a bug report for it.

[hasty cypress]

Final reward is vanished

[still stratus]

Tap the Empty space (circled in blue)

The final reward will pop up!

[nocturne bronze]

If you tap claim do you get the rewards?

[still stratus]

Looks like its bugged 😅 or only claimable tomorrow

[quick flame]

So this day 25 one can't be claimed either because I missed two others? Because I have won well over 6 rounds against foes of my tier without taking damage.

And that's garbage you're forced to buy a latchstone to enable the final reward on the free path because you forgot to go the shitty page and claim the reward for the day. This whole setup is garbage FOMO inducer to force people to buy a latchstone.

[surreal field]

fwiw, my quest didn't complete either the first couple times I tried it. I had to be super specific. The first time I tried going a couple extra rounds with sleep dart just to be safe and ended up taking some damage on my last turn even though I had more than 6 turns without damage. The 2nd time I tried, same thing except it was a miss. The next time I just counted off 6 rounds of sleep then one shotte dhim and finally got credit.

[ivory oak]

You dont have like 3 days to do the quest?

[quick flame]

Didn't. I know for a fact I was only two days past day 13 and day 9 was claimed originally. I wouldn't have claimed all of them in between those two without claiming day 9

And 20 berserk enemies were definitely killed 😆, it's simply just forgetting to go to the archpath page which is dumb. Other 'battle passes' give you all of your rewards at the end of the season even when you don't claim them. It's a money grab plain and simple.

[edgy lily]

I can confirm waiting a day doesn't fix it. Interestingly though, I do notice a few players with the paid sprite.

[surreal field]

Also, though the final reward button is ghosted and you just have to click an invisible button, the final rewards unlock is now working for at least some unlocked archpath people whereas it wasn't earlier. I'd keep trying periodically.

[timid idol]

Paid path and free path being 2 separated menus, the claim button probably isn't the same as well.

[surreal field]

Well my hope is that if one got fixed maybe the other isn't far behind.

[glossy shale]

Yeah, this is one of the reasons that I still don't like Archpaths even after the UI design. They're no longer predatory through obfuscation (even though that was unintentional, it was the case), but the fact that things aren't automatically claimed and the quests might not even start recording until you open the menu means that it's easy even for active players to miss a day. And if you miss a day it's either pay up or miss out.

Yes, it's cheaper than a monthly pack. Yes, it gives more rewards than a monthly pack. But the whole design lends itself to trying to trigger purchases due to FOMO

[silent cloud]

For me the final reward (unlocked) worked fine, just was invisible button

[magic tulip]

Still unable to claim the final reward here (iOS)

[white abyss]

How do the late battle pass purchasers feel about missing out on their paid rewards from earlier days?

Feels like FOMO, buy now or else you can lock yourself out of these rewards!

At least with other battle pass games I can hold off on the purchase, play the game, and decide later on if I want to purchase the items I'm eligible to earn

Here you have to buy first, then feel obligated to play, which does make the 90 day timer more forgiving at least.

[slate oracle]

youre not aloud to use the word battlepass in this chat

[cobalt panther]

That's something I'm not quite sure what to think of, in its current iteration.
On the one hand, it does absolutely suck that you miss out on previous days' paid rewards if you already claimed the free reward. It seems wrong.
On the other hand, allowing people to doubledip on the free reward on the first go, then buy the latchstone and do the paid rewards also seems odd, since those would have an advantage over the people who paid day one?

The solution would likely be to have it be similar to other battle passes, where on the free day, both the paid and unpaid versions get to claim the free day.

[noble dock]

It’s likely okay to scroll up to see the community feedback thus far on the common topics.

Some would consider double dipping both rewards types to be P2W, some thing it is okay given it’s paid.

Likely something we can run a poll for later to get the greater opinion on the stance

[white abyss]

Yeah, that's a common and reasonable solution John.

Someone snuck in a complaint about this issue into the end of month bug report

Scrolling up might be easier if a staff member, or volunteer, or ORN member, flagged/summarized common talking points within this 2.2k comment thread. And then have someone pin them.

I'm getting FOMO from not constantly monitoring a discord discussion thread over here

I either have to jump all the way back to 05Dec and scroll down, or I have to scroll up an indeterminate amount of time as it is, and I'm just not going to do that.

||If a business owner wants customers to stop bringing up commonly asked questions/topics, the business owner has the option of making a FAQ||

[noble dock]

Just trying to help - will stop if snarkiness is going to be the reception 🙂

I generally use the search bar. Pins are great but definitely are not something studios commit to actively providing on every conversation

[modern pier]

Overall, I enjoyed the Archpath concept

Pros:

1. More content, More reasons to play, More ways to access hard to come by / rare items is always good.
2. More holiday / solstice / calander themed content is great. As a follow up to the Trick or Treat Inns, this is wonderful thinking / planning on behalf of the Northern Forge Team

Cons:

1. A little buggy, I am now sitting with two happy little latchstones in my inventory that I have no idea what to do with; Which means I paid for the "Premium" path twice.

(Do I have any complaints about this? No, I have bought most of the holiday themed content, sometimes multiple times when available. More reasons to support the game while getting some sort of 'Atta'boy' in return is wonderful for those of us who can afford it.)

2. Yes, I'm going to say it; The "Premium" Path needs a little more juice. This is obviously a fine line that needs to be followed carefully; However I would love to have more reasons to be enticed to spend money on the game that I already enjoy and play daily.

Final Thoughts:

Keep it up! I remember on my work breaks in NYC walking around just to encounter quest mobs and gain levels. It's been several years, we've had a whole'ass pandemic since then. You won me over from Pokemon Go, and I never looked back.

[magic tulip]

Working now for me

[desert lantern]

Believe PvP doesn't count, has to be PvE like the one from the Thronemakers questline

[white abyss]

I obviously missed the mark and I feel that I owe a non-snarky answer to Odie

Anyone know how to search a thread on mobile, I know how on PC, but if I'm on my computer I'm gaming, not chatting on discord.

Here's what I get when I try to filter by thread, I can filter by #1084643200725164062 but not by #1313871347176177804

[magic tulip]

I’ve never been able to do it on mobile, not sure if it’s possible

[desert lantern]

If you select the channel, you'll see a search button in the top left - unfortunately because Discord is Discord, the post only comes up if you use full words ("Archpath" will come up, but not "arc")

[cobalt panther]

I do think pooman wants to search for messages in the thread; not to search for the thread.

Unless I am misunderstanding your explanation

[desert lantern]

oh search IN one yeah I don't think that's a thing in mobile

[cobalt panther]

I don't think that's a thing, at all, anywhere.
Discord Things™️

[glossy shale]

It is but it works very inconsistently and only if the thread isn't closed most of the time.

[rapid sigil]

I am starting to feel that I didn't miss a single day, the quest was really always bugged for me.

I did dungeons everyday it was impossible to miss it.

The worst part is that even after buying the key and killing normal alfars. The quest is still not finished.

Feels like I bought it because of a bug.

If this continues will the final reward vanish?

[trail skiff]

Thank you! I was mortified for a moment to see my button gone

[brittle falcon]

I caved yesterday and bought the pass cause I missed a few days and the final rewards were so good

[rapid sigil]

after Odie finished my quest I have the same issue

or similar. Mark Complete does nothing.

[grave saddle]

Same problem for me.

[vital ledge]

That last one is bs, hate to fuss but utterly infuriating. Hope to never see that type of quest again

[low rover]

The last quest ? 6 turn without taking dmg ?

[vital ledge]

Yes I feel like I did it a few times

[low rover]

You just have to start a fight against a mob/boss of your tier (on map with monster remain for exemple). Preferably against one not immune to sleep/stun, so you can sleep/stun him for 6 turn and then you kill him (without receiving dmg for the entire fight) and it's done

[gritty jackal]

Yeah, with status effects it’s really easy to get it done

[vital ledge]

That worked thank you I had it in my head that it was pvp. I appreciate it

[desert lantern]

yeah it's functionally identical to the one for Beastfelled(?)

[cobalt panther]

Fwiw, divine bastion works.

[ionic plaza]

2 Quest locked, Am I forced to buy Latchstone to just get the Locked Archpath and Unlocked Archpath?

[glossy shale]

Yes.

Missing any days forces you to pay money if you want the end reward

[slate oracle]

Lol

[glossy shale]

Imo, that's really the biggest issue with Archpaths at this point and it's what makes them lean toward 'predatory' monetization

[ionic plaza]

This I didn't know. If it was mentioned ig i would understand but i guess it's too late now. haha

I also think that the finish 3 npc quest in 1 day is kinda like a trap cause some npc quest are hard to finish specially it's a vacation month

[glossy shale]

Yes, making the extremely limited time quests that if you miss one you miss out on the reward during the month people are most likely to be busy is another negative to this Archpath

I just really hope NF listens to that feedback before they run another one. The time gating seems to be the major pain point

[magic tulip]

Seems like the time gate is sticking around for free players if I’m interpreting the announcement correctly. That’s been the sore point that I’ve seen most people agree with so it’s a shame to see it stick around. I think that’s by far the biggest FOMO generator

[twin salmon]

Not addressing the time gate makes it really hard to believe that archpath decisions aren't being driven entirely by monetary considerations

[kind wave]

Heck if they made it a 14 day archpath for the whole month with no time gating, that would be soooo great

it would more or less remove fomo and give ample time to do every quest

first 14 days are unlocked slowly, but rest of the month you have all, but no

14 days, so 2 weeks, time gated? or each quest now counts for 2 days? so you have 6 days per quest to do them?

[noble dock]

14 day day path in a 21 day event, 3 days grace time for each quest

if the grace time isn't enough we can adjust for next run

if the timegate shouldn't stay, let's make sure we include suggestions for new distinctions between locked/unlocked

[twin salmon]

Uh... what? Are the paid bonuses not enough of a distinction between locked and unlocked?

[surreal field]

Well what are the paid/unpaid distinctions now that the rewards were made more equal? It's primarily just cosmetic if you make the timegates equal? No?

[twin salmon]

Last month was at least 10 DMs, several unobtainable without purchase items, and the skin.

Essentially the exact same as the monthly packs just with more steps

[magic tulip]

The time gates not being equal is what makes a lot of people panic purchase, as evidenced by a bunch of posts here. I don’t know how else to say this, keeping them in because of this reason is outright predatory and not aligned with the moral compass I thought the studio played by

[surreal field]

I definitely purchased one in December because I spend a lot of the month in the deep woods without service. Though I'd hardly call that a panic purchase, in my case it was more of a logical choice. I knew there was no way I could finish the daily quests within a 3 day window.

[noble dock]

With more familiarity of the feature and some good UX additions added, we'll see if that is still the case in January's Archpath. again, any confusion was unintentional and I won't be tolerating further accusations of predatory intentions here.

Let's choose civil conversation

[twin salmon]

Is it an accusation if it's literally what happened, multiple times?

Easy example:
#1313871347176177804 message

It adds nothing of value to the players experience. Zero. Zip. Nada. It serves one purpose, which is to drive sales. Like it or not, that's the reality

[desert lantern]

The current Archpath's info (italicized lines are "premium" consumables/items)

Free Rewards:

• Galar Hammer (2)
• Dragon Remains (3)
• Gold Mushroom (5)
• Farsight (4)
• Questing License (3)
• Aaru Anvil
• Crest of the Felling (2)

Paid Rewards:

• Carving Stone (2)
• Diluted Mnemonic (4)
• Svargan Fishing Line (5)
• Unique Phoenixrise Sprite Pack I
• Elysian Candle (5)
• Unique Phoenixrise Sprite Pack II
• Monumental Summoning Scroll (3)

Grand Reward (bold is paid)

• Monumental Summoning Scroll (2/5)
• Crest of the Felling
• Diluted Mnemonic (1/5)
• Carving Stone (1/3)
• Galar's Hammer (3)
• Questing License
• Power of the Phoenix (Phoenix Shrine, 1hr/3hrs)
• Unique Phoenixrise Sprite Pack III

[deep inlet]

Apologies if this was already brought up, but the December Archpath said I'd have till February to complete... but the new Archpath overwrote the December one, causing me to lose my progress. Am I just missing something or did I miss out on the December Archpath completion? 😭

[noble dock]

that is being fixed atm, there was a quick convo in #👋│general earlier

[deep inlet]

Sweet, phew!!! Thanks Odie!

[noble dock]

my pleasure

[kind wave]

I think the idea of having half the quest being locked being the lachkey is perfectly fine.
I just want us to keep it into "play your way" and "play at your own speed"
someone comming back half way into the month still having the chance to complete it, vs some people comming back on the end of the month seeing a almost fully locked event that they can't really interact with anymore.

[ivory oak]

What about, if you miss the 3 day window, you lose the reward, but still you can complete it to get the final reward?

[kind wave]

I just don't understand the need for time locking content. Time gated, I am fine with, it's the "you no longer can complete it" part that I am not fan of.
it's like if you made the wrymhunt quest chain time locked where if you arrived late, you would not be able to unlock the bigger dragons

Anyone arriving last day can, with dedication, do all the wyrmhunt chain

(thronemaker is probably the hardest event chain)

[rapid sigil]

beautiful sprites

[glossy shale]

Imo, this Archpath definitely moved in the right direction, but I do agree with Bordo that the mechanic of being able to miss any day and then not be able to get the final reward without paying for a latchkey ends up being the kind of thing that incentivizes panic purchases.

And the worst part is that it ends up being extra bad for that player who missed a day. If they decide they really want to still get the end reward and buy a latchkey, then they get fewer rewards than players who bought the latchkey early since they already claimed the random reward from all previous days.

That is what makes it bad and what I see as unintentionally predatory design.

[rapid sigil]

I have experienced exactly this

[slate oracle]

Get rid of it

[rapid sigil]

the worst part was that the quest was bugged for me even after I bought. So I probably had it complete if it wasn't bugged and didn't need to buy.

[noble dock]

Please be sure to offer something a little more constructive to the conversation

[glossy shale]

Looking at other games with 'battle pass'-esque mechanics, one of the ways this is frequently solved is having two parallel paths instead of one single path.

[slate oracle]

Apologies, is there anywhere we can see the results for the feedback survey?

[rapid sigil]

One thing I really like in this one is that if you pay you get access from day 1

this means the stress is at the very first day instead of later at least.

Although I still think all battlepasses, even the free ones cause stress and FOMO...

[glossy shale]

Like in a system with like this, a player with the key gets every reward shown, but a player without the key only gets the top row.

A player can buy the key later and get all the rewards they missed. It's very similar to the current system, but prevents the concern about double dipping. The "Smaller reward" could even be a random item like it is now (especially because those are better for latergame players than 20 exp potions or something 😅 )

[twin salmon]

Unfortunately, having the latchstone unlock everything day 1 amps up the FOMO that much more. It's a bad change imo

[glossy shale]

Nah, I think it's good tbh. Now if you pay there is no FOMO, it's just do quests at your leisure

[twin salmon]

Less fomo if you pay, more if you don't

It's a new carrot that says "why wait? You could have rewards right now"

[slate oracle]

Prior to the battle pass u could just pay the same price for the monthly event without having to do all the quests. Get all the rewards straight away

[glossy shale]

I think the free path still has issues with FOMO because of the 3 day limit on completing quests. If the free path built up to the reward on day 14 but also didn't restrict you from completing the quests later it would be much better, but still differentiated.

[rapid sigil]

it's a battlepass there will always be a psychological game hurting your brain in one way or another...

the problem is in the battlepass itself imo.

[twin salmon]

Oh 100%

I'm just going to call out the changes that reinforce the problems all battlepasses have

[slate oracle]

And it’s still highlighted in the menu

[noble dock]

The highlight will be gone in the next update. it was used to indicate that it was a new feature, which won't be necessary anymore

[slate oracle]

Ahh nice

Can’t see the new sprites that well on there. Least there’s no item exclusive stuff locked behind this one like the jewel

[ionic plaza]

Most Played mobile games battle pass have no FOMO, Mobile Legends, PUBGM, Wild Rift, Genshin Impact, etc. They just make the missions still doable if you miss them.

[frigid gale]

Having trouble seeing what the mid-pass skins are since its a tiny sprite

[slate oracle]

And if they still or moving ones

[ionic plaza]

Having a "Final Reward" that is locked by missing 1 mission that needs players to pay money for it to claim it, is kinda bit annoying.

FMIIW but did we get a heads up about Days getting locked if missed?
or did we have to go to discord to get informed?

[glossy shale]

FMIIW but did we get a heads up about Days getting locked if missed?
or did we have to go to discord to get informed?

That is true lol, it doesn't say a single place in-game that if you miss a day you're SOL.
Edit: At least not that I see.

[slate oracle]

This is why they didn’t change the material cost of the monumental scrolls when they came out. So they can put them in every battlepass making it seem like they’re more with the money

Conspiracy

[glossy shale]

1. The scrolls in the Wild Hunts are Festive Scrolls, and work differently.
2. They were costed just fine, imo. Proofs of monument are easier to come by than people pretend they are. Just grind monuments of your faction during good events.

[still plume]

What???

[slate oracle]

Monumental scrolls were like 30 moon drops per one

[gritty jackal]

Yeah, you are mixing things up

[slate oracle]

Oh forget that I’m chatting

[ionic plaza]

It's was same for me on Conqueror's Guild update, the wordings/ way that they tell In-game description is very vauge and hard to understand as casual player of the game. I have to ask around and saw a detailed explanation about how Conqueror's Guild in Reddit on how it works.

[noble dock]

moondrops were for Tablet of Hyperion

[slate oracle]

My bad

[gritty jackal]

[noble dock]

February Archpath: every day is Tablet of Hyperion

[slate oracle]

Might acc buy it then

[still plume]

Give us the update instead of the archpaths

[desert lantern]

February Archpath: Oops All Hyperion

[noble dock]

quit giving me stuff to respond to here then

[glossy shale]

To get back on topic, is there other feedback regarding Archpaths that people have? I can try to condense it a bit.

• Players are punished for buying a latchstone later in the cycle
  • Suggestion: Parallel paths #1313871347176177804 message
  • Bonus for NF is that this incentivizes players to have second thoughts and buy a latchstone later instead of disincentivizing it.
• The 3 day limit on completing quests is still restrictive and can lead to FOMO when real life commitments or anything else prevent a player from completing the quest in the allotted time.
  • Imo, this also causes problems with Archpath tasks such as 'complete NPC quests' that a player can (theoretically) lock themselves out of for 3 days.
  • Suggestion: Remove it since other factors already differentiate the paid path enough.
• The 3 day limit on quest completion isn't mentioned in-game

[slate oracle]

Bigger sprites

Survey results

[noble dock]

while we generally don't share the survey results in whole, happy to share any insights if there is something specific

[ionic plaza]

I like the idea of the Parallel Path, It's like a win-win for archpath buyers and non-buyers.

[low rover]

For now I see archpath as just a new version of pack we can purchase. Before, if I didn't want to buy a pack, I just didn't buy it, and get nothing, now if I don't want to buy it, I have some rewards if I want to invest into the quests each days. I've never seen previous pack as a huge advantage for players buying it, and same goes for the archpath. So I'm fine as it is (but agree some tiny improvements could be done as mentioned before), and can't understand the way some people share their disagreement here tbh, it's fine to disagree but it's not like completing/buying the archpath vs not doing it will drastically give an edge to people buying it so 🤷🏻‍♂️

[slate oracle]

I don’t think the main argument here is to do with the advantage you get over non buyers to buyers. More it’s just a bad monetisation method being in the realm of a battlepass

[glossy shale]

People here may think it's bad, but from what we've been told survey responders thought it was good. So the best thing we can do is find a way to meet in the middle where it's less FOMO inducing/predatory, but is still able to exist. Since apparently there are people that like it.

Since NF said their survey results were positive, I highly doubt there is anything one here can say or do to make them go away.

[slate oracle]

Ahh surprising. Yh good point rip

Where did they say it was overall positive?

[noble dock]

#game-announcements

[slate oracle]

Ty

[gritty jackal]

Yeah same here, for me it’s just free rewards

Before we didn’t get anything if we didn’t buy the packs, but now without paying we are getting something

[dark lintel]

Please remove the paywall on missed days

[noble dock]

Please be sure to offer new distinctions between locked/unlocked paths when requesting one be removed

[glossy shale]

Alright looks like we need to make a list of distinctions

[ionic plaza]

pay orns or gold?

depending on tier/lvl.

[glossy shale]

Distinctions between paid and unpaid archpaths

Unpaid

• 3 day limit to complete quests
• Quests can't be completed until the day
• Random reward every other day
• Smaller final reward

Paid

• 60 day time limit to complete quests
• Quests can be completed any time once the path is unlocked
• Quest and static reward every day
• Larger final reward

[glossy shale]

The feature of being able to do any quest immediately after purchasing the latchstone is a new distinction between locked and unlocked Archpaths, tbf.

[ionic plaza]

5 day limit if the quest are very hard

[dark lintel]

Given that the Latchstone unlocks all future quests regardless, the non-latchstone players should be able to complete all unpaid quests available by the archpath regardless of when that is. That's one of the worst parts of the FOMO in archpaths so far to me.

[rapid sigil]

perfect sprite

[slate oracle]

Does it move

[desert lantern]

doubt, it's from an $8 key

[rapid sigil]

no but that is fine

[slate oracle]

Ty

[formal bay]

I don't feel fomo for the free path. It's just consumables. None of the sprites make it into the free path. The archpath could just be paid only if it's going be like this.

[subtle bear]

Missing a word. Either adding "you" or removing "to" works

[desert lantern]

would love to maybe see building sprites on archpaths soon? if the goal is to replace the paid bundles

[worthy gull]

you have 3 days to complete tho

[subtle bear]

I got busy in December and forgot to do one archpath day = unable to claim the free path's final reward. Feels bad, simple as that.

If I think about this, I reach the same conclusion every time: What purpose or function does a 3-day window for each free day serve? Eventually the entire archpath expires. What exactly is achieved by having smaller expiration mechanisms within the archpath?

We were given a new way to get free stuff, yet it has a mechanism that takes away the ability to claim some of the free stuff. Which you can pay to get around.

[supple rampart]

Same thing, once I missed a day, I just give up the archpath...

Because IRL >>> IG

I gave up many games because they want to force us to play each day, 3 days is better, but you can't really setup a routine, like twice in a week

Or just make next days unlockable (individually or not) so people that are eager to do all or some archpath content can do it early and forget it for the next month

You can extra bonus (like +50% ?) to reward the payment

BTW, this ALSO applies to some other game content (Kingdom Gauntelet, Mnemonic ritual, Settlements rewards, etc...)

[ionic plaza]

It was never mentioned in-game as they release the archpath, how would I know that I have 3 days to finish it? I have to purposely search for it after finding out in a Reddit post that they are paywalled. So forgive me if I had 3 days to complete a Quest of Finishing NPC Quest during December.

The game should have an HUD or a Tab for HIDDEN or UNMENTIONED patches/updates/new release/reworks, anything related or that affects the game. As not every is connected to discord what ever the reason maybe.
Forcing a content that have vauge words to explain it and how it functions is for me is sloppy. Why do they have to Tiptoe around and not provide Direct to the point Infos?

Like the words slight, moderate, huge, massive?
Like how slight is slight?

I know that they try to make it blend into a fiction RPG sentence but at least have a clear/direct/straightforward description.

[worthy gull]

you dont check the discord when something new is released?

[ionic plaza]

I think so, wdyt?

[worthy gull]

its been known in the discord with odie pinging us about it rather quickly apon release

even the ping for a few days late

[ionic plaza]

how about the non discord users? I'm not just speaking for me. Wdyt the others that got locked out and find out about it 3 days after?
How about the players that just play the game casually?

[worthy gull]

i do agree odie is very cryptic for some reason and over time alot of it has been updated and fixed with lots of the playerbase complaining about xyz not being this.
the nondiscord users are sol and are encouraged to use it

[ionic plaza]

Tell me where in the game is it encouraged to go on discord? I only see discord on the chat icon and below the main hud of the game. And none of them say "Hey, come in join discord for more infos about the game."

[ionic plaza]

Isn't it the community's purpose for that? Why gatekeep knowledge when we want the game to grow even more? So there's no need to say "Non-Discod users are SOL".

[worthy gull]

if a player knows for a fact that theres a discord for it but they dont use it they are sol

[slate oracle]

Currently, u can pay money and straight away get the building sprite. Or with the sprite in the battlepass u pay the same amount of money then u have to do quests or wait for a certain day then get the building sprite. Just adds more of a grind

I’d deffo buy more building sprites, but don’t make me pay and then work for them, just let me straight pay and get them 🤷‍♂️

[hasty cypress]

AP completed.

Is there another one coming ?

[hasty cypress]

It would have to be a balloon arch, or a some type of arch way to make sense thematically

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-rosa-diaz-captain-holt-balloon-arch-she-is-magnificent-gif-26048790

We need something like, kill a WRB without taking damage.

If the buff could be 24 hours it'd be swell. 3 hours and flavour text don't math to me.

We could then optimise when we collect for massive gains. A benefit for lacthstone use.

[thorn sail]

I like the addition of more skins in archpath. Bought it just for the skins. The items are extra

[fringe gull]

10 points to you good Sir 🤣

[mystic wasp]

I still think the non-paid should not have the days locked, I actually missed Jewel of Destruction last archpath because i got super busy for the whole week :v and with my deception i just didn't finish the archpath :x

[desert lantern]

Here's the Power of the Phoenix for those interested (-20% is a visual bug, is buff to discovery)

[kind wave]

different from monument buff that also buff all rewards including memory hunt?

[desert lantern]

That would be Shrine of Asherah

[kind wave]

how odd

[desert lantern]

This is the one from daily quests, and is the one from the final reward for the Archpath

[kind wave]

I tought they were the same for some reason

[devout kestrel]

If, and only if, you couldn't use a latchstone on an archpath if it contains quests you cannot complete due to tier restrictions.
Of which, that would absolutely be one of the worst by far. That's a T10/T11 Exclusive Quest if I've ever seen one.

I do not believe that anyone should be locked out of completing an archpath by tier restrictions.

Harder Quests would be better suited for something that can't have money put towards it.

[desert lantern]

Thankfully it seems as though currently this one is T3+ (Diluted Mnemonics)

[worthy gull]

Uh that's not new player friendly

[white abyss]

Good.gif

[south iron]

after a month of archpaths, I'm of the opinion that the grace period on days locking should be much longer or not exist. I've been neutral to the implementation of archpaths after the previous fixes, but I just routinely forget they are there; I have no problems getting them done, but it just annoys me if I forget them for a few days and realize I have chores to do if I want the felling emblem that will be in the rewards.

if I could sit down and jam out a week's worth on the weekend I'd be far less annoyed because it would feel more efficient and work around when I want to do them. this is basically the only remaining thing about archpaths that annoys me tbh.

[half yew]

Is there any update to this? I didn't complete last month because I knew I had paid for a 30 day extension and took advantage of it. Thanks.

[cobalt panther]

I thought that was fixed already?
A bit Ironic that I'm about to link a bug report, but it includes a screenshot of someone with both paths being showcased? #1324820607736610837 message

[noble dock]

It was fixed a few minutes after that message, I believe

[half yew]

I am not showing a game update in play store and don't have the ability to scroll down to see the December archpath, and paid on the first day for a latch stone. Since it's been fixed would that now be a bug?

[half yew]

Update: Lamp is an idiot. All is well.

[still stratus]

Accidentally sold my entire stock of small mana potion instead of just 150 of them

Oops

[mystic wasp]

Now that key unlocks everything at buy, why not make F2P unlock login by login but no locking after 3 days :3?

[indigo crow]

https://tenor.com/view/show-me-the-money-the-simpsons-fingers-gif-14300488

[glossy shale]

I'm not sure if something is bugged or if it was an intentional change by Odie, but I was just able to complete the Day 1 quest today on an alt despite not buying the latchkey

If it was an intentional change, I'm surprised it wasn't announced, since it would make people happy?

[languid pebble]

iirc, first 3 days and the last 3 days are alywas unlocked

[glossy shale]

Ah, I thought that might've just been for the first one because of the update delay issue

If that's still the case, then the fact that the three day restriction is still not stated anywhere in game is still a massive problem. Anyone who hasn't been on following along Discord has no idea that day 4 is going to become locked tomorrow

This is, unintentionally, scummy since right now any non-Discord player is lulled into thinking they can relax and complete the archpath at their leisure, when in reality tomorrow there's going to be a surprise paywall for them

[noble dock]

it's in the next update already, fwiw

[fringe gull]

Im 95% sure I unlocked the archpath today without a latchkey

[gritty jackal]

Epic

[fringe gull]

Haha. Im not claiming any of the rewards until I figure out what happened. The only 2 explanations are that someone bought me a latchkey and I didnt realise it or it's some kind of bug. Ive checked my inbox and cant see any message about receiving a gift.

[glossy shale]

You may also want to check your Google Play receipts.

[fringe gull]

I had a quick look and cant see anything.

[devout kestrel]

You can check if someone gifted you stuff in your Inbox/Notification Listing

[fringe gull]

Ive done that and couldn't see anything. I tried searching the inbox as well and got nothing.

[dim thistle]

If you ever add extra activity slots to the rewards I might actually complete some archpaths

[thorn sail]

Remove the npc quest

It is awful

[half yew]

I finally got the time to go complete some memory hunts this morning to finish the Archpath from last month. Alas, the December memory hunt quest did not complete.

[noble dock]

it should start tracking now

[waxen narwhal]

Was I supposed to be able to speed run the archpath? I thought it was a daily thing.

[white abyss]

There was a change at some point point that allows the purchase to remove the future date requirement.

[noble dock]

More info here: #game-announcements message

[glossy shale]

Forwarding this here to not have a discussion inside of a bug report

Imo, the only concern with "double dipping" is that it would only benefit using the key after the Archpath has run it's course, which is just bad gameplay for everyone.

There's no P2W concern about a double dipping scenario where it's allowed from the start, because the rewards in a world where that was allowed would be balanced around allowing it, it's exactly as P2W as the Archpath already would've been.

[white abyss]

Definitely should be obvious in the UI, instead of a disappointing surprise for someone that spent money expecting to get something.

I see it says "instead" but the bug report shows that it wasn't obvious enough that they didn't activate their purchase, and that receiving the random reward would block them from the skin.

I've also mixed feelings on the requirement to activate it, instead of automatic on purchase. We need the option if it's giftable, does it go to a use/close screen after buying it?

[storm scarab]

I literally just clicked this and realized after that I may have missed out on the skin 😦

Also I just noticed that my previous month still has the alfar quest, does that mean I can no longer finish? I was busy over the holiday season and bought the key so that I had until 2/1. Almost like false advertisement if you can't actually complete it up until that point

[white abyss]

I was about to say you could still do it
But Alfar aren't spawning anymore, so nevermind.

[storm scarab]

Yeah that really sucks, guess I don't buy anymore of these as I've already missed skins

[noble dock]

We'll definitely be adjusting the Alfar quest for the next run (or making a "Defeat any event monster" quest type)

Unfortunately, it's not a change we can make while the Archpath is live

[storm scarab]

Will this run again next year or am I forever locked out of that sprite pack?

I know it wasn't your intention but I feel a little mislead when I purchased the pack thinking that I'd have until 2/1 to complete it 😦

[noble dock]

as it stands, every Phoenixrise run will currently have the Phoenixrise Archpath. so, you'll have more shots during subsequent runs

[lament furnace]

In agreement with this.

Would like to see the system evolve to something like Magic the gathering “battle pass”. It has a free route and the moment you purchase the “battle pass” you get both free and paid version rewards.

[glossy shale]

I suggested that at the beginning of the month ^

[lament furnace]

Good suggestion. What came of it? Did it gain traction? I guess I could scroll up.

[glossy shale]

I replied to the suggestion, you can click it instead of scrolling

I assume Odie saw it since he was in the convo but nothing came of it this month, which is why the problem you and Prack had happened

[fluid yoke]

I'm glad I read this prior to spending the money. I wanted to see the skin on someone prior to buying it since I'm old and can't see that tiny sprite anyway. I clicked my daily and figured someone on my friends list would have the skin I could see larger and then I would go back and buy it. I'm a little bummed now since I like the skin but won't be able to have access to it. At least until next year. Luckily I didn't pay for the key so no harm no foul but I do feel a little unintentionally misled.

[fluid yoke]

Also how did you get that blown up? I cant even tell what I was looking at on my screen since it was so small. Also had no idea it came in purple. Probably would have unlocked this archepath if I could have seen them. (on android v3.15.18)

[white abyss]

Try selecting the unlocked final reward, you have a different selection in your picture.

[kind wave]

playing orna on my samsung watch be like

|| I am not playing orna on my samsung watch||

[noble dock]

So, let's explore solutions. i think the painpoint is well documented. Quick poll:

1. No double-dip: keep it as it is (no double dipping on random reward + paid prize)
2. Allow double dips: reset all reward days when latchstone is used (random rewards claimed will remain)

[glossy shale]

#2 out of those options means that every player should only buy a latchkey on day 14

[fluid yoke]

But you'll have to complete all the quests again before you get the rewards. So if there is an especially hard quest (like alfar) you might get stuck

[glossy shale]

I don't count "run one horde dungeon" as a hard quest tbf

[fluid yoke]

Me neither. Just using that as an example since people seem to have gotten stuck on that one

[surreal field]

the npc quests one are fun :p

[glossy shale]

Odie also specifically said that specific quest won't happen again and is probably being replaced with something doable outside the month

It's 6-6 right now on votes, I'm not sure why needing to wait until day 14 or you miss out on 7 rewards is appealing to people

[fluid yoke]

Maybe only double dip on "Reward" days

[noble dock]

that is what is said, yes 🙂

quest days would not reset

[lament furnace]

I just want skin @glossy shale 😂

[glossy shale]

Indeed, that's why it's 7 rewards. If you wait to claim the key until day 14 you get 7 free rewards, but if claim the key on day 1 you don't get those 7 rewards

[lament furnace]

Paid 8$ and can’t get it

[glossy shale]

The "double dipping" situation is actively worse for people who bought a latchkey at the start of the event

And punishes anyone who wants to use it at the start rather than waiting

[noble dock]

let's let folks vote - we'll all have our opinions

[lament furnace]

Good point.

[cobalt panther]

I vote 2) but that's entirely because 1) actively detracts paid rewards from a purchase, whereas 2) detracts random runeshop rewards, which are much less worth it.

[glossy shale]

So does 2

[lament furnace]

That’s why I did it too

[glossy shale]

That's why I don't like either option

Yes, Dzzy should have the sprite he paid for

[cobalt panther]

There, reworded.

(Though I'd still prefer a third option that allows doubledipping plus you can always get both rewards even if you use latchstone day one)

[glossy shale]

This is opinion, but I'd rather have a chance at a Great Monster Aspect or Diluted Mnemonic than two more sprites I won't use

It was fixed for this archpath, but last archpath some of the quest rewards were things like EXP Potions or Skeleton Keys, things that are also less valuable to many players than a random reward

[surreal field]

My option would be the paths would be exactly the same, just paying would unlock it all without having to do the quests and include an extra sprite in the end reward. As it is right now, I can't pick either of the choices.

[twin salmon]

Neither option is really a solution, there just needs to be two completely seperate paths and one is unlocked via the latchstone

[glossy shale]

Both solutions lead to people feeling bad about their purchases if they didn't follow the system for the best rewards

[twin salmon]

That ^

If we do double dipping, people who buy early are worse off for no reason. If we don't allow double dipping, people who buy late are worse off for no reason (in this case, no skins apparently)

[glossy shale]

Option 1: Dzzy bought a latchkey but activated it late. Now he doesn't get the sprite he wants. (and anyone else who does this, not trying to single out Dzzy)

Option 2: Many people bought a latchkey but activated it day one. Now they don't get 7 rewards.

[noble dock]

let's just focus on the point at hand. we can handle other topics at a later date

[glossy shale]

This is the vote, it's choosing between which problem is preferred

[twin salmon]

I'm going to need an ELI5 on how we aren't focused on the point at hand

Cause it looks like the issue was put to vote, and we are saying that the vote doesn't solve the issue, it just rearranges it

[rapid sigil]

I think no double dip unless its a Sprite reward.

[noble dock]

the issue is that someone lost access to a sprite due to claiming the random reward instead. it's been touched on a few times that reward days could be reset to give access to the quests for all. this is something that can be done quickly to solve this problem for at least this player.

the above is a discussed direct solution to the above. there's no need to extrapolate the issue into some of our other qualms with Archpaths, nor need to suggest larger changes such as turning them into a battlepass with two paths, etc

[white abyss]

I'll explain my vote, a third option of concurrent awards wasn't provided, where f2p gets a set schedule, and paid grants f2p rewards and paid.

Out of the options available for late paid purchase missing out or not, I'd have to go with not missing out.

[twin salmon]

If the strict focus of the conversation has to be the paid sprites, then add them all to the final reward as well as the quest days. Some can be unlocked early if the pass is purchased early, or they can all be unlocked at the end

But trying to make a quick change to solve one problem that immediately creates the inverse problem isn't a solution. And it's immediately going to be met with the people who now feel cheated because they bought the pass early and missed out on rewards.

And unfortunately, that problem has to be addressed with larger changes, and shouldn't be ignored

[glossy shale]

I agree with this from Bwubble. Yes, I'm guessing Odie is tired of different problems with Archpaths repeatedly popping up, but the issue is really just sprites being locked behind certain days and people not being able to claim them late. If the spites also redeemed when someone claimed the final reward with a latchkey that would solve the problem without creating a feelbad in either situation.

A lot of people have suggested two paths being an ideal solution, but there are additional solutions that are (likely) not as complex to implement that would also solve the problem of people not getting sprites they thought they paid for while also not causing other issues.

(I'm aware Bwubble is now blocked by Odie - but in this case Bwubble wasn't even being inciteful or angry, just making a straightforward, well reasoned suggestion.)

[noble dock]

New poll with a few more options - let’s keep conversation to a minimum for a bit so that the poll stays front and center. I’d like us to solve this particular issue

1. No double-dip: keep it as it is (no double dipping on random reward + paid prize)
2. Allow double dips: reset all reward days when latchstone is used (random rewards claimed will remain)
3. Only reset cosmetic days when unlocking an Archpath (will need plenty of ingame help text)
4. Don’t offer rewards on cosmetic days (but also dont require them for the final free reward)
5. Overhaul Archpaths into a 2 path battlepass

[wraith horizon]

It was my belief that if you did not buy a latch stone, then you would be given an alternate reward for all of the quests. However, the quest from yesterday did not give me a button to collect an alternate reward. Is this a bug, or is this by design? I looked at the quest yesterday and even did three NPC quests. The game prevented me from doing anything on this archpath day yesterday.

[magic tulip]

The ones that say Reward give a random reward, the ones that say quest are completable and give the reward shown in the quest description. You should still be able to complete the quest

Are you sure you didn’t do the event quests? Those count as story quests, not NPC quests

[wraith horizon]

So, I'm doing the wrong type of quest even though it says NPC Quests? I did Inn Quests and Town Hall quests. Those don't count?
I just checked... I have no story quests available. What do I do then?

[magic tulip]

NPC quests are only the ones given by the NPCs you find in the overworld. You can see them in the menu by going Quests -> Sidequests -> NPC

Town Hall and Inns give Job Quests

[wraith horizon]

Thanks for clearing that up. You saved my final reward!

[magic tulip]

Glad I could help

[rapid sigil]

I don't like two battlepasses because its more clutter to look at, causes more FOMO, and it looks like most games predatory psychological cheap tactics 😐

I liked the old system better to Buy or forget about it.

[subtle bear]

The advent calendar style functionality is really nice. It's what I like most about archpath. I also like many of the quests. Overall I would have preferred the archpath be a December-only feature, free, and tie in each day's rewards with the corresponding wild hunt so it's on theme. If there has to be a paid element, this frees up space for the latchkey to increase each day's rewards, with the ability to redeem the extra rewards from days you already claimed

I don't like the idea of an item that increases rewards from raids, nor getting it from monthly event quests/packs. That plus now I'm waiting for the raid event and will no-life my WRB then, instead of any other time during each month

What I like the least is the idea of an archpath every month because we already have quite a few activities to engage with daily.
Idk of a solution/alternative. I would have to draw up a chart of everything players do daily and put on my detective hat and I don't have one!

Idk what sales of the monthly event packs were like, but I did like those. Even though I purchased very few. It was simple - if I buy it, I get the stuff right away. No worrying about missing days or forgetting to claim what I paid for. Feelings I have felt from the free archpath

[hollow leaf]

I am a returning player, back to Orna after 3-4 years, archpath was something new to me. All I can say for sure is that this thing definitely needs better, clearer explainations. It needs visible, warnings that you won't be able to claim the sprites after you cleared that day before activating the key, it needs warning that you need to separately "activate" the key after buying it. After giving a game another go for a few days I decided ill throw in some $ and get those cool sprites from this battlepass thingy, cause thats how it works, right? You pay and get some extra cosmetic goodies for your money? Well, already had day 8 and 12 cleared so I bought myself just a letdown : ). Not gonna discuss if its P2W or not (although we are talking about just getting extra sprite here, the very definition of "not P2W monetization"), but the way it works is rather not intuitive. You play lots of those games you kind of expects how such things wroks, I don't even know, maybe it was written somewhere? I can understand you guys want it to work differently, but it really need clearer notification of what you are getting, or rather what you aren't getting when you buy a latchstone. Sure many players already know how it works exactly, and don't need such warnings, but It costs nothing, and can save some players (especially a new ones) a letdown.

[golden sapphire]

Apologies if this is the wrong place but I haven't seen anyone else discussing this, or maybe I'm just dumb.

But, the archpath quest to kill at least 3 enemies at once seems broken to me. I have 0 aoe or multi-hit abilities so I know it has nothing to do with it. But out of maybe 7 fights with 3+ enemies and winning, I have 2/3 as my quest count. I even double checked I was at 2/3 then had 2 fights on a memory hunt with 3 enemies and then 4 enemies. Still 2/3 after the fights..

If there is some special circumstance that makes a multi-enemy fight count or not count that really needs to be clarified somehow because it's impossible for me to know what counts. It's not a big deal grand-scheme because I'm sure eventually it will be done before the archpath expires, but the fact I have no way of knowing how a quest works feels aggravating. Not to mention this confusion could actually prevent me from getting the final reward, which I spent money on in hopes of getting. So here's hoping one of the next multi-fights counts I guess.

[storm scarab]

So where did we end up on this, do I buy the archpath key or wait until next run

[storm scarab]

Yeah and I still feel cheated that I purchased the December one because it said I could complete the quests until 2/1 but it turns out several steps could only be completed before 12/31

[subtle bear]

Afaik, if you already claimed the reward on "reward" days, you won't be able to get the paid reward from those days. Buying the latchkey would have whatever remaining value is available for you to claim

[storm scarab]

No alf can't finish

[slate oracle]

What’s player profile badge

[glossy shale]

Show off ||( )||

[slate oracle]

So badge locked behind pay wall

[gritty jackal]

Yeah

[glossy shale]

Imo, cosmetic locked behind paywall is great

[slate oracle]

Yh stuff locked behind paywall is great

[glossy shale]

Would you rather pay to win, or pay for cosmetics?

I've been really outspoken about not wanting anything remotely p2w or predatory, so I'm due to praise NF when they add something different to the Archpaths that is neither.

[slate oracle]

Why do they need more money ?

They said there doing fine for money in December

Also I’d rather just pay for the cosmetic in the runeshop and get it stright up instead of paying then jumping through a bunch of hurdles to eventually get it

[noble dock]

that would be why we also sell cosmestics outside of Archpaths.

let's keep this thread open for suggestions on improving Archpaths. it seems the feature will never be for you, which is okay. i'm not sure what you're looking for

[slate oracle]

Suggestion: remove glow for archpath on menu screen and don't lock stuff behind it (badge and jewel)

[noble dock]

the glow already removed in the next update, cosmetics will always be something we are comfortable charging for, and the jewel was never locked behind paywall

[kind wave]

I don't want the badge, just like earning a skin, you chose if you display it, I would like to not display paid badges
that is the only ask I have for this

[noble dock]

why?

[still plume]

Yeah, why?

[kind wave]

I would like, my badges to be challenges I did to earn them, I feel that the distinction betweem paying or not paying an archpath is not a challenge. And if we start getting 1 badge per month that way, it will rapidly show that the only thing on my profile are paid for badges, as currently my only badges are my regional #1 and that i Killed a lot of monsters.

Wrecked, has a nice pile of badges showing his prowess

I would have a pile of badges showing I paid money

[glossy shale]

There is kind of a problem with badge bloat once you get a lot of them.

It'd be cool to be able to choose to show only X of them if you wanted

[kind wave]

An option yeah, to select the badge you want displayed as a whole

[noble dock]

we do plan to section them if/once we hit that "too much" threshold

completing the Archpath is still a challenge - no?

[kind wave]

Yeah, but paying on the last day to get the paid reward is not more of a challenge. and with latchkey, you get tons more time to finish it. I'd almost say it's more a challenge to do the free version

Paying and getting a skin, you can argue, you are paying for a skin, with extra on top

[glossy shale]

That resolves my only concern. Imo, we almost started at that threshold. If I put in a little more effort I'll have 4 rows of badges 😅

(Completing the archpath + 1 other badge will push me over. I have a smaller width phone than Wrecked)

[kind wave]

My biggest point is "what are you expressing with that badge?"

• Completing the archpath? (no it's paid only)
• Participated in the event as a whole? (not really tied to the quest chain, but could be nice to have a event journal that ask to do quest chain, raid, archpath)

[noble dock]

we've always got room for more 🙂

[kind wave]

when you get to that point they lose their charms and you look like a north korean general

[deep jasper]

i don't want your cookies, thanks

[glossy shale]

It's definitely just a matter of opinion, but it's the difference between showing off your giant pile of badges (which is cool in it's own way) or showing off which badges matter to you or were the most difficult/prestigious.

[kind wave]

as a baby player, badges are hard to get, to me, when I see them on people's profile, they mean they put a LOT of work in the game, that I still havent put.
They show me their dedication to the game in one aspect or the other.

[noble dock]

okay. let's table this sentiment until the time comes that we need profile badge customization/sectioning. for now, i don't think we can commit to providing a feature to hide feb's badge

[kind wave]

This show me sheer dedication to a game in soo many fronts

If you add a thing where you had to show full mastery of the event

• codexing all the event mobs
• Doing the quest
• Completing the archpath of that event

I would say yeah, You earned a badge showing your dedication to that event

[glossy shale]

Unfortunately if Odie adds those as Archpath tasks some players may not be so enthused 😆

[kind wave]

Would 100% be a separate thing outside of the Archpath, that requires Archpath. Since Archpath needs to be low tier accessible

[rapid sigil]

I feel the FOMO already

[distant thunder]

For tomorrow quest kill 10 bosses as a omnimancy class. I think it's a very bad design that you need to play another class to do a quest. ( i do play 2-3 classes but i don't like being forced to play a class i don't like)

[glossy shale]

There's an Omnimancy, a Valor, and a Shadowmancy quest

[distant thunder]

i know , and i think those quest are a bad thing , forcing player to play class they don't want to play

changing class for the quest to be easier is fine (ex critical hit as summoner is hard but not impossible) but completely required to change class just feels bad

[noble dock]

Orna is meant to be a game about branching out and experiementing with different builds and classes. That would be while the "Change class" button is so prevalent

[distant thunder]

AL don't really like the change class button

it's fine if it's how the archpath will be i will just ignore it , i like this game but i don't like being force to play a specific way i'm sure i'm not alone but i guess most people don't care or even like playing all the classes

[noble dock]

there is no need to ascend to beat a boss of your tier

[distant thunder]

no clearly , i was just saying that AL is not really a system that promote playing multiple class

[noble dock]

Well, to share the initial intent: mat blocks, etc, were made to encourage players to ascend others while mat blocked on one. i didn't foresee players just brute forcing one class, but here we are 🙂

[distant thunder]

haha

it was just my personnal feeling for this feedback, like i say if it's stay like this i will just ignore the feature not a big deal , but i tought it was usefull to talk about it and see if other player agrees with that

[noble dock]

we'll see common that feedback is, for sure

i'm just responding to the bad design part. we've all got our opinions

[distant thunder]

yes sure i should have said that it was a feeling not a fact mb

[dim thistle]

If that's the case then al should be account bound instead of locked to a class.

[low rover]

Real question is who is this Al you're all talking about.
And have a good night 👋

[noble dock]

Those ones are just called “Levels” 🙂

[kind wave]

wierd guy that Al

[gray radish]

Hmm would Heretic Ultima count? It is under the omnimancy class line no? Just change classes and then nuke whatever mob needs killing, even without ALs and on 0anguish most people would have decent copies of ornate gear hanging around their inventories, just gear up and nuke em down

[desert lantern]

kill Stardrop bosses, they're pretty easy to kill

[fringe gull]

Just to mention, Im also not super keen on class swapping to complete quests.

[magic tulip]

Im as much of a mono-class player as it gets, but swapping classes to kill 10 bosses takes 20 seconds in a horde boss dungeon, it’s not really that terrible 😅

[fringe gull]

I certainly agree, it's not terrible. But also not really some I want to do; Im a simple man

[flat lynx]

If i want to be a full valhallan player i should be abel to do it and game should not force me to go towards change class button

[magic tulip]

People are free to want that, but they can’t expect the developers to limit game development because players created arbitrary limitations for their accounts

[flat lynx]

What about fresh t10 that have unlocked just 1 class?

[magic tulip]

Now that’s is a much more viable argument imo. Still, if I’m reading the quest correctly, you need to kill bosses of your own tier but you don’t need to use a t10 class

[flat lynx]

But fighting t10 bosses with a t9 class will be pain for fresh t10 player

Or even lower lvl class

[surreal field]

Stardrop bosses, hit em with the old Lightning blast

[flat lynx]

Thats event locked

A new player might have not played during giants event

[surreal field]

I guess if they have no one to ask and were pretty brand shiny new.

but stardrops are available at lower tiers so they'd have had to have used them all or just not played

[flat lynx]

Or wasnt around during the event or not actively playing the event at that time

[fringe gull]

I wonder if a quick poll would be useful to gauge overall sentiment on this? I think there are plenty of valid arguments both ways, but it would also be useful to know what players feel about it.

[glossy shale]

Sleep dart and chill

[rapid sigil]

Deleting Archpaths solves all Archpath problems.

[still plume]

Deleting people that dont like archpaths also solves the problem

[slate oracle]

They said from previous polls it’s overall positive but won’t post poll results

[noble dock]

hmm? we've never run a poll on class based quests - they're not even 24 hours old

[slate oracle]

Oh sorry thought they were talking about achpaths

[surreal field]

Personally, I am not a fan of anything that mandates me to play wiggly fingers classes. That being said it's a soft limit in a feature that is hardly mandatory at all. So it' really not the end of the world for me.

As a person who is pretty apathetic to them and doesn't really like or dislike archpaths though. I can say it doesn't make me lean towards engagement.

[fringe gull]

I feel very similarly.

Overall, it's not a huge issue, just something Im not too keen on. I think I resent class based quests the same way I resent needing to get out of my jam jams to go to the store - I dont want to do it, but I probably will just to get the job done.

[indigo crow]

I feel the same. I've played this game a lot since getting into it and only have one badge for Pet Taming so far. I really dislike the idea the second badge I get being for sending Odie 8 dollars.

[low rover]

On my side I don't mind if people receive a badge when sending money to NF, it helps the studio. It's already the case via patreon.

[devout kestrel]

I like the idea of events having potentially sprites or badges, on the off chance I don't particularly desire the sprite, but still want to show off from the event. 👍

[magic tulip]

Yea, this isn’t new, Patreon already had a badge as well. I’d rather they do this over P2W items

[hasty cypress]

You only get the badge if you finish the AP

[flat lynx]

Confirmed. Beo is omnimancy class

[subtle bear]

Not anymore 🥲

[quartz lance]

Brute forcing? If you don’t have enough of a mat to ascend one class, you certainly don’t have enough for several. Maybe we are all just poor and equate it to money. So interesting how different people think. A sociologists dream.

[worthy gull]

If this was the intent then I hope you can understand why people don't ascend other classes. Because in the end it all leads to mat blocks and pulling from another classes Al

[surreal field]

Imagine if each classline only had a select pool of mats for ascension so that you couldn't get mat blocked on the same mat on say Deity vs Shadowmancers 🤔

I pity the fool that got Cursed Ort 😄

[worthy gull]

Is that a feature? If not could be the reason others are chill with ascending other classes

Or potentially make it so that if deity is realm ore blocked no other class can roll that (but that would also lead to issues like purposefully mat locking cort realm ore and other difficult mats out with the other t10 classes

[surreal field]

No that's not how it works at the moment, I was pondering. But that's not really an Archpath discussion so...I digress

[noble dock]

yes, i think the last 4 years have certainly made that evident. no need to inform me 🙂

[worthy gull]

Don't get me wrong I do like the idea of ascending multiple classes. I would like to see some way to make it similar to dual spec in d&d or something similar but great work on everything this far

[golden sapphire]

I personally didn't like seeing the class quests on the archpath, unless all it takes is using a spell or something from the line then it feels okay. I think summoner counted as omnimancy so that was reassuring to see. But as it is, even if it's not necessarily shadow or valor or omni but needing to play a warrior/thief/mage class.. I'm still in a position at t8 where I need to save my orns for t9, I can't really afford to buy the higher tier thief classes for example.. And my alternative is killing a t8 boss as a t5 or t6 thief, which I'm sure will be incredibly difficult. I could be way off-base but it feels like being low level where class costs are low.. Or being mega end game where you have every class anyways it's fine.. But being in the middle just feels bad

[noble dock]

very fair feedback. thanks 🙂

[kind wave]

Diety Ursa does not count as omnimency
annoying AF

[glossy shale]

I'd hazard a guess only omnimancy is supposed to count as omnimancy

[kind wave]

Diety counted

[glossy shale]

Yeah but is it supposed to?

[noble dock]

it's just anything that can equip mage gear

[glossy shale]

Oh, weird that Deity Ursa didn't then

[noble dock]

may not have been a tier match?

[kind wave]

I did a boss horde dungeons, plenty of manticores and what not

anyway I droped monsters bone and killed them as normal diety

[glossy shale]

Yeah can confirm it works for me

DUrsa is fine

[noble dock]

manticore is t8

[glossy shale]

If Manticore or any of the non-T10 dragons were on the dungeon floor it wouldn't have counted (if you did the dungeon before Wyrmhunt ended)

[kind wave]

that is probably it then

[formal bay]

It seems like DUrsa counted as Valor for today's archpath. I didn't really play any other classes, and the valor quest was completed at some point.

[timid idol]

Odie said it's any class capable of equipping the gear of the required class. So basically dursa can do any of those quests.

[formal bay]

Yeah, I was supporting that. Glad that I didn't to have to play Gallia.

[noble dock]

Ideas on quests/rewards that you'd love to see for a March Archpath. Go:

[glossy shale]

Defeat gnomes

[noble dock]

reward?

[glossy shale]

~~ https://playorna.com/codex/items/gnomes-hat/ ~~

That wasn't entirely joking though, I was thinking for the Clurichauns theme that typically accompanies March. It could be for a golden mushroom

[frigid gale]

Big travel x steps quest

[noble dock]

would there be interest in mat stacks as rewards? 50x cort, etc?

[astral scarab]

quest: heal hp at N unique inns ("visit them")
reward: one of those quest reward consumable boosters

[glossy shale]

I'm sure EXP-Less would be a fan of that. I'm not sure if small mat stacks are really desirable for the average player though

[astral scarab]

quest: kill a boss of every tier up to your tier
reward: a small stack of panaceas or cure-alls ||idk I'm trying to keep the rewards smallish okay||

[frigid gale]

Not really a fan. Generally think it's better to offer useable things that turn into mats (dm, scrolls). Something about raw mats feels too p2w for me.

[astral scarab]

quest: light 4N lanterns in deep dungeons
reward: everlasting torch offhand

quest: lose at sword/shield/axe N times
reward: (lots of) lucky coin(s)

[frigid gale]

But honestly something like a "scroll of morrigan" (non arisen) doesn't feel as bad since you still have to kill the boss

[astral scarab]

If these weren't all-tier I'd suggest some bangers with mechanics only available at the high end 😅 Like, doom a slime and watch it die from doom (figure out how to do it). Sacrifice a summon with at least 10 permanent buffs via charon/sacrificial pact. Clear a hard-mode horde-mode dungeon without hitting more than one enemy per turn. Refund 1 ascension at the altar of ascension.

I like things of the form "... of every tier up to your tier" since it makes it easier for lowbies and appropriately annoying for T11 grinders.

[glossy shale]

• Defeat X bosses of your tier as a lower tier class
• Defeat X enemies without you, your follower, or summons dealing damage to them
• Defeat X enemies while at least 5 unique statuses are on them
• Defeat X enemies while their defense or resistance has been reduced
• Defeat X enemies using skills they are resistant to
• Defeat X enemies in the world in a row without using healing items

[silent cloud]

I would like to have a daily reminder to check the archpath, because i usually forget to check it, even if it was a notification on the phone saying "Don't forget to do your quest today counting for the archpath!" I think this would help a lot with players that get locked quests through the month

[astral scarab]

quest: play for 1 hour during daytime
reward: solarite

quest: play for 1 hour at night
reward: titanium, for some reason

quest: post N times in regional chat
reward: arena tokens

[magic tulip]

Shouldn’t night be night stone? 😅

[astral scarab]

if that were true then Moon Robe would be made out of it 🙄

[magic tulip]

True lol

[devout kestrel]

I wouldn't say no to stacks of Nth Tier Mats. or mayhaps a Purification Stone for the collection 😉

[devout kestrel]

These seem really cool! Though that third one sounds difficult, I'd love to give it a go

[deep jasper]

you can't heal in inns anymore

[astral scarab]

I guess "gather info" from them. Still wish there was more stuff to do at them besides trick or treat that one time.

[cobalt panther]

John with Plaguebringer Build:

[dark lintel]

Did someone say plaguebringer? 👀
#1266788779784671264 message

[subtle bear]

Defeat a boss of your tier while afflicted by cursed or toxic

[formal bay]

Quest: Play Flappy Turul!

[kind wave]

Make the arcpath not tied to the event in terms of finishing it, but reward being a prelude to the consumables you can earn from the gnome raid?

[hasty cypress]

Quest:

Defeat enemies in insert specific weather here

Reward:

Chaos Scrolls (to teach how to manipulate weather specific monster spawning)

|| or an ornate BoG ||

[astral scarab]

I really like the idea, but only having 24hrs to do it would suck.
If you missed your one hour rain slot you'd be SOL or driving all over town looking for rain. 😅

Might be better for a month-long event. OG Fomorian was kinda weather-search related (before they were changed to chaos portals, and then before the event was ripped into pieces and scattered in each cardinal direction).

[fringe gull]

How's about an endless dungeon quest. To accomplish the quest the player needs to get past a relatively low floor (maybe 30 or so) but then there are additional mat packs that become available for reaching higher floors.

[astral scarab]

I guess this is a question for NF:
What are the limitations on quests?
All-tier (or scales to tier in some way), 24hr timer, what else?

Endless would be cool except idk when Endless unlocks (L100/T5?), and if it runs afoul of being completable by all players.

[noble dock]

In short, we want EXP-Less to be able to do them

[surreal field]

We see who the favorite is now! 😉

[noble dock]

hey, we're #1 on his app bar

[astral scarab]

time and location restrictions? I'm assuming 24hr window and can't require specific geographical features (a lake, a forest, etc.)

[glossy shale]

I assume it needs to function for Aethric as well

[fallen moss]

I would hope not

Limiting design space because of a game that's not this game doesn't sound great to me

[finite shard]

We have weather and a day/night cycle

[astral scarab]

the bigger separation is that we can't have quests involving traveler's guild/walking (Orna-specific) or adventurer's (HoA-specific)

[hasty cypress]

Quest: Flee from battle.
Reward: Bird Whistle

[finite shard]

Fair enough, yea

[desert lantern]

Kill 1x Tiamat, Typhon, Fafnir as a tier 3 class

[devout kestrel]

lmao, one of those is a much more difficult fight than the other two I'll have you know!

Answer: ||It's Typhon with their darned status immunities||

[gray radish]

Ooh how about a consumable that makes every drop (except from amities, raids, and tower titans ~ these can be a different consumable) drop as ornate? Anywhere from 171 to 200 quality? Could be reduced to 15 minutes instead of the usual hourly to balance it out, that way everyone can have a chance to have an ornate copy of nearly anything..

This way, even EXP-Less can finally grab ornate RoRs 😂

Kinda like Jewel of Destruction, just a one time experiment (unless it'll be reintroduced in further archpaths/bundles.)

[devout kestrel]

I've got em already. Thanks tho

[desert lantern]

This would very much eliminate a LOT of grind, which would kind of undermine the quality system altogether imo - you'd be surprised how many things people can do in 15 minutes, and many would simply just... not do any gear farming until they have this consumable

[gray radish]

Hmm.. what gear that isn't EoD is grindable in dungeons or monu~

Oh wait. JoCs come to mind, and then probably some adorns like moon dust, and then probably A Qatvanga and Swansong 🤔

[silent cloud]

i hope odie saw this

[glossy shale]

I think I probably would appreciate a once daily [1] on the Archpatch icon that cleared once you opened it (but also only showed up if you hadn't completed the Archpath yet)

[slate oracle]

Glow not removed?

[glossy shale]

Glow is removed for me

[noble dock]

...it is?

[slate oracle]

Thought the glow was like the purple highlighted bit around the icon. And the text

Not white like inventory, dungeon arena

More so the text tbh

What glow were you referring too?

[devout kestrel]

OwO new archpath

[noble dock]

there was a shimmer to it, like the one on the Runeshop when there is a free gift. that is what players did not like

i'm not aware of any complaints about the purple pixels

[slate oracle]

What about the text?

[noble dock]

i'm not aware of any font color complaints either

[slate oracle]

Just the one ☹️

[devout kestrel]

Thronemakers Archpath

Quick Analysis for T3 Viability:

Day 8 - Forfeit items to the Monumental Guild (50)
Given that Sphinx Cub (T3, Monster) doesn't drop any event stuff, this requires a previous event's stuff to be kept on-hand to complete this.
Not bad, but not ideal. I do have some horns saved on the side just in case.

Day 10 - Finish a battle by using the "Sands of Aaru" spell (4)
Impossible, as the spell Sands of Aaru is T4, and cannot be obtained as a T3.

Day 13 - Finish a battle against one who uses Arcane magic (20)
Uhhh... T6 has Ancient Draugr Mage, Arcane Dragon, and Arcane Flame that have Arcana.
Oh! It looks like Runeblade of Finesse (T5) has Arcana II, so if that counts, that'd be make it a T5 completable.
Otherwise, its possible at lower tiers by killing them as Area Guardians.

Overall, not completable as a T3

But I do like the inclusion of the Sands of Aaru and Arcane Magic Tasks.

[silent cloud]

Will there be a notification saying there's a archpath mission to do daily? I forgot it existed if i didn't checked this thread

[noble dock]

there should be daily push notifications now - they'll start once you do at least one day

[silent cloud]

Thank you

[naive surge]

hello every one. been a long time. Arch paths really coming along nicely. fan of the badges.

[fringe gull]

Just to mention, Im not too keen on memory hunts being part of the path. Between work and kids, I dont always have the flexibility to get out and complete memory hunts.

[desert lantern]

I will say, you should just be able to find a party that has a couchable amity when you're available and run it twice

[fringe gull]

I could, but then I have to reorganize my current party. Doesn't seem worth it to me.

[glossy shale]

You can also just pop a DM every hour and hope it's couchable ¯_(ツ)_/¯

We ran the numbers and it does seem to be almost exactly 50/50

[fringe gull]

That is my current strategy, haha. So far Im 0/2, but to be honest Im not going to stress too much if it doesn't work out.

[magic tulip]

Don’t you just need to finish the first one twice for it to count? So worst case scenario you pop a DM, do the first memory since that’s always couchable, and then use another DM to complete a second one?

Oh, it’s full hunts, nevermind

[fringe gull]

I had been hoping initially this would be the case.

[indigo crow]

Healing 40 times at an Inn is decidedly unfun.

[silent cloud]

Hello odie this doesn't seem to be happening to me, i already did 4 days of rewards, i didn't got a single notification today telling me there's a quest in archpath to do 😅

[desert lantern]

Ditto to this, maybe one of:

• lowering it to 5-10 in the future
• making it based on how much you spend at the inn as opposed to the amount of times used, since this basically is "use thing in world battle, then go zzz, repeat 40x"
• be focused around generically spending gold at the inn, so you can ask the Tavern if you want

[glossy shale]

It feels like a punishment for asking Odie to re-add the ability to rest at inns 😆

[noble dock]

thanks. it looks like they should send at noon local time if the quest hasn't been done. has this been the case for you during the archpath so far?

[quick flame]

^ no notifications for archpaths or anything at all on my end. Notifications haven't worked for me since v3.16.5 was released

[silent cloud]

I didn't noticed any notification, I don't know if it appears in the daily rewards screen after midnight my time since i quickly tap through it

[vivid pollen]

I got a notification today

[silent cloud]

I got it today 😄

[magic tulip]

Got it today as well

[upper escarp]

If you can no longer get the final reward due to missing one, it should no longer notify you about them. I don't want daily reminders after I nope out cuz I missed one due to life and it being incredibly specific and me forgetting to specifically farm that thing.

[devout kestrel]

hey uhhh, Odie, I found a bug?
or a cool little feature, however you wanna look at it