The Plight of Apollyon

[hazy escarp]

Overall, its way more fluid and enjoyable

[stoic matrix]

Still getting raid not found

[lucid sundial]

Seems to be working. You don't event have to leave the raid entry menu. Getting about 3 kills a minute. So 180 per hour

Seems pretty ridiculous

[hushed plume]

Whatever fix was put in was nice. It was fine before but I like the queueing up quicker.

[slender dove]

Rushing against high asc players + refract seems pretty unfair for low t10 players, cant deal any dmg before the raid ends 😓

[marsh canyon]

The T10 Kingdom raid would be better for lower T10 players

[primal eagle]

i just hit t10 this week currently 229 but damage doesnt matter as long as you get a hit in, ive gotten almost a full set of ornate gear including katar and Lute and ive only maxed damage a few times

313 kills logged in codex , thats not alot with the current auto-next raid feature

[slender coyote]

Lucky you, i can deal damage but I'm nor getting lucky with any ornates lol at least some legendaries so it's fine 😄

[primal eagle]

Ah ,well did you make a sacrifice to rngesus? That's like step 1 @slender coyote

[slender coyote]

Yes , a couple of puppies and some lemons but seems that I'm missing something

[primal eagle]

Firstborn? That's usually the highest teir item I think

[jaunty crescent]

Musta been to the wrong gods heard theres new gods in town (new godline rework jokes)

[forest remnant]

I do approx 900 k with bp2 turn one

[edgy talon]

How the hell do you get that high? As sequencer al50 with the usual ancient dragon and arisen hydra I don't go over 350 at round 1, 700 if it doubles

[forest remnant]

Al 130, 15% amity at full HP, Hera robe 200, fss 193, ornate moondusts and pinions, 200 nekro staff

[edgy talon]

Makes sense

Ty

[slender coyote]

Lucky rounds , wish i was AL 130 as well lol

900k bloodpact damage is such insanity xD

[lucid sundial]

Not for long

[urban ridge]

if you dont deal 2kk damage in first two turns the event is unplayable for you, this is an event just for high end t10/asc players

[topaz bridge]

If you don't deal 2kk damage in the first two turns you can just kill the regular raid, which is basically identical to the pollyX raid. The gear has a TINY difference between the two - it only matters if you already have some high ornates of base polly

The biggest difference between X and regular items are the books, which you can farm just fine at your own pace

[urban ridge]

do you mean summoning it with normal scrolls?

[topaz bridge]

Yes. But he's also a kingdom raid if you have access to those.

[urban ridge]

that's true, I can summon it that way but that has little to do with the event getting balor memories and travelling to that place where X raid spawns

[topaz bridge]

Well that's the part of the event that is tailored to the endgame folks.

[urban ridge]

Every t10 player can access that part of the event, there is not signal that says: "dont even bother if you cant deal 2kk in two turns", there is plenty of room for improvement, currently 30 players are farming endless X's raids while rest of fresh T10 players stare (you can see always the same names in the damage done after the raid ended), its probably the worst event I have participated in

[tall night]

so whats the solution gatekeep events based on a battle power system? make all content free and trivial? automatically delete accounts when they hit too high of a power level since they're ruining your experience?

[urban ridge]

I think the issue is the quests are separated by tiers, but there ir way too much difference between fresh t10 players and t10 veterans than between t9 players and fresh t10 players.

So same way you cant access t10 event quest if you are t9 then there should be additional event quests that start asking for ascension levels for example

[lucid sundial]

You do t need to cap..your hitting a low hit on like 3 Polly's a minute you'll still get loot

I don't even.cap them

[tall night]

so gatekeep based on battle power ranking, (first thing i said). I'm all for it, punish players that know how to play well, reward those that don't, split player base, give no challange.

[urban ridge]

two levels 250 saying the event is fine 🤣

[lucid sundial]

I didn't say it was fine

[tall night]

lets take your advice and take away the option for you to participate in the new raid. because options are bad now?

[urban ridge]

I read that as "Dont participate in the event at all would be better for lower T10 players", a kingdom raid is not an event

[tall night]

oh so we didnt have polly event in the years prior.

since there was only kingdom raid before, the event didn't actually exist.

[urban ridge]

that has nothing to do with what I said and the current event, you seem part of the problem tho

keep smashing X's raids, let people discuss here options

[tall night]

yes it does have to do with it. The balor memories portion was added as a small bonus this time around, everytime before it that didn't exist, and we were still happy with the "event"

[topaz bridge]

I'm not against the options, mind you - and even relayed them to the team.
Was merely letting you know what Odie's official stance on the topic is

[urban ridge]

I am totally fine with an additional event quest for T11/asc level 50 or whatever, but its absurd you can access that content and just stare

[tall night]

so you want to take away other peoples access? mind you plenty of those people in this thread in the 23x lvl range getting free gear from the raids sucessfully..

[urban ridge]

which is your ascension level @tall night ?

[tall night]

if you think I'm making comments based purely on my experience and not also others in my kingdom and people I have talked to...well i hope you're not doing the same.

[urban ridge]

you said it would "punish players that know how to play well", you are level 250 and which ascension level...?

[topaz bridge]

So would you be happy if the event was the exact same but you couldn't access the X variants until you hit 250?

[urban ridge]

I myself got 4 ornates being level 236 but its just ridiculous

[urban ridge]

yes I prefer to dont access it, because I get "raid not found", see the boss hp explode in 5 seconds, get 5 refracts in a row, etc while I see always the same players doing the damage cap, it doesnt seem like a skill issue, its more like a gear and level issue, so basically the quest is not well balanced and is aimed for other players

overall the issue is T10 players pool have way a lot of difference in gear and level

[topaz bridge]

That's a bit of a hot take, though I do understand it on a psychological level

[urban ridge]

btw a quick fix is increasing boss hp and removing refract skill

[topaz bridge]

That being said, I doubt that's the common person's opinion

[tall night]

you think refract affects you more than high damaging players?

[topaz bridge]

It kinda does, if you hit damage cap on first hit.

[urban ridge]

please check again the clips in this thread

[topaz bridge]

Increasing hp would actually make the experience worse for low players

[urban ridge]

you could do a community poll about the event

and let's see community feedback

[topaz bridge]

Literally any person can start a poll fyi

[urban ridge]

it should be similar to monthly raid event but with raids lasting 15 minutes

[topaz bridge]

Yes, that has been suggested quite literally hundreds of times

And, again, been relayed to the team

[tall night]

no, i told you before you need mod role for it

[topaz bridge]

#1219672026160042118 message
Damn I guess Bloody Blizzard is a moderator now

Welcome to the team

[topaz bridge]

You're doing it via a bot

Use the actual discord feature lol

[tall night]

used to doing everything via bots. i think thats how most people are since it takes discord 10 years to add a feature.

[urban ridge]

I dont see this is an uncommon opinion, I am being honest about it, do you have any data on low T10 players not even bothering with the event? I am pretty sure that the common opinion among low t10 players, ignoring the event

so its the same than not having the option to use balor memories

[topaz bridge]

The thing is, those that ignore the event wouldn't be happier to have their access restricted - they'd be happier to have the event be more accessible to them

But again, the "easy to access" form of the event is base apollyon

Though you said it yourself

You have 4 ornates

Despite struggling with the event

That's not much less than me

[urban ridge]

and after getting those 4 ornates as lvl 236 I can see why fresh T10 wouldnt bother with this

[topaz bridge]

How would robbing you of access improve your experience

[lucid sundial]

I don't know how anyone can complain at no cost infinite free raids. That drop good loot and realm ore. It's a literal free give away. Inexplicably so

[urban ridge]

it doesnt drop realm ore

[tall night]

the weapons dismantle to it.

[urban ridge]

you mean like 1 or 2 items?

[lucid sundial]

If anything it's too overly generous, you just show up. It's almost a betrayal of everything that's happened before

[urban ridge]

I proposed some solutions, the level 250 players didnt propose anything, thats it 🤣 there is nothing much I can do here

[topaz bridge]

All you did was re-suggest things people, including 250s, had already suggested

..except for the cancelling access to people below 250

That one is definitely new

[tall night]

i had suggested that one before!

[urban ridge]

thats coming, quests for level 250, time will tell but is the normal path the game will take

there is way too much difference between 250 + asc level and 225

you cant just put all those in the same pool and make them compete for raids and loot

anybody would complain in any game under those rules

[tall night]

...have you ever played another MMO? thats literally how they all work

every world raid tends to get camped by RMT farmers, or top guilds, lower levels have no chances at the drops at all.

[urban ridge]

again, thats nothing to do with what I am saying and I am not interested to talk about MMOs, this is just my feedback, next polly X event will be very different thats for sure, even if you say its completely fine

[tall night]

"anybody would complain in any game under those rules" "I am not interested to talk about MMOs"
are you serious? back to back statements that directly contradict eachother.

[lucid sundial]

@urban ridge how much you hitting on a raid?

[urban ridge]

need at least two turns to buff a bit, then if I dont miss I can do 400k per turn, on some raids that seem "bugged" where I am alone I can reach damage cap, usually I just manage to scratch it a little bit, most of the raids either I cant do anything due the refract spam or raid is over after buffs

then ofc I can eventually get ornates, but the game experience is bad

ofc if I buff for more turns I can deal 1kk per turn, but I dont have time

as a RS/raider lvl 236 what I did was joining the raid at 1hp to redline, you dont have time to ward of ortanite or bastion and the boss will miss often anyways, just blooshift quickly (unlucky again if you are fresh T10) and berserk and realm strike, you either deal 400k+400k or get one shot or get refract or see somebody melting the boss from full hp to raid is over, also if boss has very low hp just go through the refract, you will deal damage and wont die because the raid is over

[lucid sundial]

Tbf that's what I do and get the same damage

[urban ridge]

most of the time it doesnt work, this is just now, 6 refract in a row after I buffed

[shrewd bane]

Refract being irritating doesnt change when your tier 11 😂

[lucid sundial]

Yeah I just die and stay at 1 hp.for the next raid. It's literally infinite

[shrewd bane]

I dare say we can all get behind wishing that nonsense away but I guess that’s what makes this raid “unique and challenging” 🤷‍♂️

[urban ridge]

second raid 🤣

[lucid sundial]

What about Beo

[shrewd bane]

I mean you’ll still get some loot free loot is free, I remember grinding these raids years ago

[urban ridge]

missed 🤣

[shrewd bane]

I don’t think his dex is that high is it?

I’m kinda surprised you missed as RS that more my thing as a here

[urban ridge]

realm strikes miss a lot

[shrewd bane]

We be wiffing into the void all the time

[vagrant ridge]

Realmstrikes has a fixed hit chance of 75%

[urban ridge]

is part of the skill

[shrewd bane]

Oh right

[vagrant ridge]

Realmstrikes II is 85%

[shrewd bane]

Use something else?

[urban ridge]

cant use rend dagger because dont have time for two turns attack and get melted with a refract in the middle

[shrewd bane]

Fair fair

[urban ridge]

I could use maybe warrior pavane

or something like that, but it doesnt crit and barely deal damage

[vagrant ridge]

Riftrogue gear reduces rs miss chance

[shrewd bane]

True but event locked right?

[vagrant ridge]

Yes

[urban ridge]

I dont have rift rogue gear sadly

[shrewd bane]

Yeah that’s what i expected

I’d give warriors a swing

If the raid is going as quick as you say then it’s not going to have time to outscale your m2

[urban ridge]

I might try again in a week, maybe there are less collectors in the area, I need the ornate katar for pvp

[candid sapphire]

Thats what i would say is for me Sometimes a bigger problem Event locker stuff that gives the fear of Missing it cause who knows when the Event comes Back and If i'll be able to play it, when it comes Back for maybe a week ^^

[urban ridge]

it would work also if you could use balor memories to just craft X guaranteed summon scroll

[shrewd bane]

Anyway my two cents, I’m not a fan of the raid structure either, even though free loot is free, but my issue has more to do with how ideally this “Apollyon” event should give us better chances at realm ore, which is a difficult material to get for all tiers, whether for upgrading gear or ascensions etc, having only the weapons even on the specialty X raids give realm ore makes this unviable for me at least because that means on average continuously fight ing raids for the 30 minutes still only nets me 30-60 ore thats giving it my full attention for that thirty minutes it just doesn’t feel like a productive use of my time compared to doing a tower or some memories, or 5-10 dungeons on anguish, id like if we could see an increase to the realm ore actually available from this event similar to morrigan and cort

[shrewd bane]

I get this although I also feel like the X raid isn’t different enough to be worthy of “super raid, make a unique scroll” status, almost everything it drops is kinda meh or only a minor upgrade of normal beguiled

[urban ridge]

the loot being so similar to blue polly is strange too

I still wonder why is camped so much, I just want the katar 🤣 as you said the realm ore you might get is minimal, most of my "kills" I dont even get weapons to smelt

[lucid sundial]

I think it was just a placeholder event because there was a billion other changes going on

[shrewd bane]

True true

Honestly it’s fine with me if we don’t revamp every single month with something new and instead just focus on pushing out the content we’ve been talking about for months

[urban ridge]

I dont know how is classified to be a raid worthy for a scroll or not, but past month I was crafting t6 perseus/cerus/aries worthless scrolls, so if those bosses get a scroll I think X polly could get it too

[shrewd bane]

Oh good point

Didn’t even think of them

[urban ridge]

I think that method is fair for fresh T10 players

dont need to compete with T11

[shrewd bane]

Although those scrolls also could summon the tier 9 versions or the tier 6

[urban ridge]

it could be it needs twice balor memories for scroll than for the memory trip, giving an advantage to T11 still

[urban ridge]

yep

that would be fair for me, chance to summon the t6 blue polly too

but anyways I think T11 need their own event content, it would be also good content for them, probably they get bored with this stuff

[shrewd bane]

I think they’d have to revisit the X drops before that though, cause currently you can get tier 6 & 10 blue Polly from normal scroll, and then if X requires a bunch of extra steps or is added to their pool I think it needs more “uniqueness”

[urban ridge]

I think now is a mix of T11 getting bored of this easy challenges and fresh T10 getting frustrated

[shrewd bane]

Yeah like I said I have no interest in any of the items X drops

I guess we’ll have to wait and see, I’ve voiced my opinion as a casual player, now I’m off to bed 🫡 carry on!

[forest remnant]

Wait I don't understand this. With the snake event all the event is about is summoning bosses to get mats to summon a super boss. That's normal in events which are raid focused.

Here you have either that option or you use a memory and start clicking damage skills turn one and keep doing this for as long as you like without needing to spend accumulated scrolls or korns (so easier than usual for early T10). Balor Memories are basically free. How many apo x drops do you get just joining raids and clicking damage skills for a hour? Have you tried? Plus the book x are completely accessible for you as well and that's event as well (and they matter more than the apo x drops as mentioned)

[forest remnant]

Go beo lind, you know this game isn't class locked right?

[urban ridge]

"How many apo x drops do you get just joining raids and clicking damage skills for a hour?"
Well you get kicked in around 10/15 min, right? but let's assume you have enough balor memories to be there for 1h:

• Most of the time I am waiting for a raid to spawn, I have to be the 60 minutes without blinking or if I click a new raid 20 seconds later it will be half hp.
• Join a raid, "spam damage skills" without buffs, deal 40k damage, get one item or no items as reward
• Join raid "raid no longer exists"
• Join raid "reflect 5 times", no damage dealt
• Join raid, its full hp "press one damage skill button", lags/freeze, nothing happens, 20 seconds later the boss HP explodes and raid is over

And yes, you can get ornates and realm ore that way, but... well, there is room for improvement on the event

[urban ridge]

This game isnt class locked, let's propose a pet which is event locked instead

[forest remnant]

Which was available in mid April this year

[urban ridge]

every month there is pet/gear events available, thats how it works

I dont see how is that relevant

you cant just buy all the pets and farm and upgrade all the classes gear, riftrogue gear also would help but I dont have ornates

it would also help being level 250 🤣

the game isnt ascension level locked neither 🙂

[forest remnant]

it is relevant because it means the vast majority of who is t10 today, have that pet, so you can use it with stasis starting at 1bp

and spamming stasis+buff without needing to care about reflect

and even at al 0 the damage is a lot higher than 40k/turn even on base beo

[urban ridge]

I get what you mean but if your first response is "just use something else which is also event locked" then something is already wrong on the event design

[forest remnant]

alternative is fjalar stasis, just lower damage, still better than what you are doing

[stoic matrix]

I think everyone would be better off if the raids worked like AR ones but instead of a 3 day cd there was a 30m one

[forest remnant]

the fact that you don't need to deal the whole 11.5m, allows for lower damage output with stasis being reasonable, which counters the hated reflect

or you can do bp which can't be reflected as well

this is still more access than what a fresh t10 usually gets in t10 events

[urban ridge]

but I am not familiar now with those skills, stasis and bp are beo skills?

but I suppose it could work as you explained

I just think it should be viable for any fresh T10 class if you receive the event mission and complete it

I get switching classes to min/max, thats totally fine

[forest remnant]

stasis is from lacuna spell chronomancer spec t9 accessible to all; basically you give up your damage spec to get access to a spell that stops the raid from moving and doing anything

in theory you can use it with any class and do damage in between (until stasis wears off which you then reapply), in practice clearly it's far better on pet-based beo builds as the pet will damage while you stasis and buff

this is actually the main way any lvl 225 t10 can deal with any raid it's just about time

"any" raid except the very few stasis immune ofc

now this allows for full redline from turn 1 as well (unless you want to bring a pet that gives self-status)

bp would be blood pact from summoner but it does little damage at al 0 with only the 2 starting summons and no buffs

[urban ridge]

so you stop the raid with stasis and let lindworm to damage it?

[forest remnant]

yes

[urban ridge]

but how is that possible with more players hitting the raid? it doesnt stop for them I guess

[forest remnant]

the optimal build requires fomorian items and nagg belt to guarantee stasis procs 100%, book of your faction offhand and celestial weapon with 5 selene hands

[forest remnant]

if you are in party vs raid (think normal raid) one person does stasis the other do their damage (allows for easy and automatic and fast party raiding)

but in the apo x event like in waygates in general your stasis only works for you

but anyway even a very suboptimal build will allow for stasis to be on most of the time

[urban ridge]

is there any beo gear needed or that will boost lind attack?

[forest remnant]

and you can use ithra shrine

book of your faction, affinitty spell from t8 class of your faction

a weapon that buffs pet stats (can be the lute x itself for optimal damage, with symbols of dooms)

2 beo charms if you don't have nagg belt

amity is your faction damage

[urban ridge]

you mean the books that give you the skill "earth aligned" and similar?

[forest remnant]

yes

that's x1.5 damage with skills of that element (works for pet as well)

and affinity spell makes it so the physical attack from pet will become your faction element

to gain the x1.5, and the x1.2 from amity

you kliterally go stasis turn 1, then affinity then gunnr, bear

ofc do stasis when it wears off

5-6-7 turns you reach cap

(top beoA would probably reach in 3?)

you will very very occasionally die anyway because stasis wears off, you try to reapply doesn't proc as you don't have 100% status proc chance equip, raid attacks you

[urban ridge]

well I think I have most of that stuff and the pet so I will try it, thanks

[forest remnant]

np try and report back the results, and remember the balor memories are basically free , and you can also farm the book x, the event is actually quite good (a little too good i would say) for all t10

[barren crow]

Okay, not only do you not have damage count when you die from being Refacted, your damage doesn't count the turn you die PERIOD

[compact mica]

I dont get the rage at people getting paid out every 150k dmg vs getting paid out every 2-10mil dmg

you paid at the same rate, just in smaller increments

[tidal mica]

It makes sense that his gear is pvp gear with him spamming refract. He's a blades sweaty. But I thought NF official stance was they were against autoclickers 🤔

[terse frigate]

More than official stance it's the term of service

[hushed plume]

Did everyone stop going by to Balor? No raids being killed or popping up.

[tidal nexus]

12 hours from now always seems to be prime time

[alpine salmon]

it's always slow when it's just asians that are awake

[jagged coral]

Bruh

[terse frigate]

Even too much tbh, is when monsters ppl raid

[compact mica]

I love the increased Arisen Slaugh everywhere, and the moonchaser mobs in towers

can those tower mobs be permanent???

[stable sapphire]

Anyone having issues with apolly spawns today?

10 mins with one instance spawned

And only 3 people hit it

My VD goes to the outer ring, so no raids hiding from me 🤔

Well RIP this memonic 😂

[lucid sundial]

It did seem a bit slow a few hours ago

[leaden barn]

Usually means other ppl cant see it

[near plume]

CD buffs on beguiled axe X when?

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-nervous-anime-sweat-sweating-nervous-sweating-gif-8464066390113296650

[terse frigate]

What happened to everyone? Nobody is hitting pollyx

[lucid sundial]

Gotten all the ornates,.ore and thousand's of avarice already

[terse frigate]

50% cap when?

[barren crow]

was going REAL quickly only a few hours ago, is it dead now?

[terse frigate]

It was going quick as usual, then suddenly I died stupidly and nobody finished it off. Same for the one after that

I guess I'll revert to auriga, now that I need to cap the damage

[edgy furnace]

What's the cap percent up to now?

[terse frigate]

26

[tacit sable]

lemme summon poly x

[compact mica]

this insane raid mode dreamland has grown on me a lot. I kinda wish kingdom raids were the same pace

(((and also that "my kingdom" was a wv w/ buildings, and other players, not just a menu)))

[terse frigate]

Oh It gets very bitter very fast trust me

When I used to be in a very active Kingdom raids had that pace

And back then cap wasn't enforced like now, so there was a bit of drama too about that

Event raids obviously

[compact mica]

Ive been in busy kingdoms. obviously k.orn burn would have to change dramatically to support this rate in kingdom. but it's grown on me, i like it better than solo raids

[terse frigate]

Yeah tight budgeting and high dungeon turnover is the key, often we saved on crap events in preparation of good ones

[astral sedge]

Fighting the raid is still such a painful experience (especially for slow clickers).
I'd rate the concept of the event a solid 4/5 but the raid itself a 2/5.
Another welcome change would be to have full health/mana on damage limited raids (like kraid).
And last but not least, refract is an horrible mechanic when spammed (especially on an event where you need to deal damage as fast as possible).

[hazy escarp]

Another welcome change would be to have full health/mana on damage limited raids (like kraid).

let this be a toggle, some people might want to start with low hp/mana for their passives

[astral sedge]

It not a toggle in kingdom. And if you remove the need to speed run, that won't be a problem IMO.

Imo this kind of event should let you deal damage like an AW but capped for key item used. Then at the end of the day/hour (probably better serverwise) it counts your damage and gives you all the loot.

This way, no race against others, no need to click faster, not stuck on an other realm for XX minutes.

[hazy escarp]

it isnt a feature in AW nor normal world raids either

[astral sedge]

Ok but Polly is more a kingdom raid with that damage cap. Preloading passive is just a min maxing speed farm feature. If you don't have to speed run, you don't need to preload.

I don't think you lose that much time when starting from max health.

It could be a toggle, but if it cannot I'd vote for full ressources all time because it has more pros than cons.

[tall night]

if you're a "slow clicker" go do the kingdom raid.

[astral sedge]

The famous kingdom raid Polly x

[tall night]

end game is 10% prepare a build and 90% click quickly aoe+continue

the drops are specially barely better than kingdom raid

[astral sedge]

Elitist mentality 💤
You're not part of the 0.1% best players that can deal 2 million turn 1 from their AL alone ? Guess you can [censored] off.

[terse frigate]

I think now there should be way more raids

[tall night]

participation trophy mentality, lets not try to change my build for the content, lets grossly exaggerate

[terse frigate]

I don't have time to enter that the newest one is at 50% hp

[astral sedge]

Just did one and you can play 3 turns before raid is dead.

[tall night]

oh so you dont need to do 2mil turn one?

good to know, someone was just lying about that a moment ago.

[terse frigate]

There's someone who's doing that apparently

I enter, raid goes half life and this guy dusappears

It's crazy lol

[tall night]

that doesn't mean that you need to do it to get any rewards, now does it?

[terse frigate]

I dish around 1m DMG, which with this turnover I guess is fine

[astral sedge]

So we should keep all the rewards for the top players and just forget about everyone else ? And not even talking about the reward, this is a terrible raiding experience.

[terse frigate]

Still getting 5-6 item per death

Tbh I find more frustrating that sometimes the battle freezes

For like 30s

I think it fails syncing between player and hangs

[tall night]

well try to figure out when that happens and file a bug report?

[terse frigate]

I'll try to record it

But it has been like this since dawn of times, even with kr

[tall night]

well have you reported it since the dawn of time?

[hazy escarp]

the way i see it
stronger players -> wants the raid to end faster / higher dmg % cap
weaker players -> wants the raid to end longer

but at the end of the day -> its still free loot for everyone willing to farm 24/7, i cant complain

[astral sedge]

This happens when you try to attack but someone already killed the raid.

[hazy escarp]

and for those said weaker players / early t10, odie mentioned specifically here ^

[terse frigate]

Still if there was more parallel spawns low power could have more chance of doing damage, high power could hit more raids without downtime

Anyway I should have waited to hoc to deity till the end of the event

I hate refract with all myself

[tall night]

compare the amount of kills/drops to how many you do during any other event, its it not a little disproportionate already?

[terse frigate]

Maybe yes lol

I have way more ornates than normal kr

But I think this is due to less resource cost

[tall night]

maybe? its hella disproprtionate, putting more spawns there would just make this event even more of an outlier. next one will surely get nerfed somehow. we have never had raids this avilable

hell if there were more spawns people would end up complaining that end game players are all realm ore farming for ALs and getting even stronger.

[hazy escarp]

balancing things sure is rough, glad im a player, not a game dev

[terse frigate]

Tbh my concern is more on the enjoyment of the event for others

You cannot release something and then say "ok if you suck do the old one"

The new gear is not game breaking stronger than blue one

[tall night]

i mean we literally have tiered content. it does encourage people to try new tactics, it requires some balance, do you not undertstand that multiple spawns would just make it much much worse? high end players would flock to the superior AL farm and decimate the spawns.

[terse frigate]

At the beginning I suggested a "league" implementation

[hazy escarp]

i fully agree, but what if that said content isnt targetted towards that said playerbase?

[tall night]

having options? NO, i demand all content be tailored to me, anguish 50 farming needs to be reworked since i cant 1 shot it.

[terse frigate]

Like the more you hit cap the more you are matched with similar players

In this way you would also encourage competition

[hazy escarp]

that could be an interesting solution if we had a lot of players, else it'll be a dead "server" imo..

highest league -> barely any players
lowest league -> people that cant hit cap, hence the raid wont even be killed (in a time that make sense)

[terse frigate]

And for ppl being not so optimized you'll have a Red pinhata which stays longer

[tall night]

and then people would complain that the raids are going too slow, which we have seen, multiple times in this very thread.

[terse frigate]

Yeah hard to balance lol

Still the league thing imho has potential, you can even "anguish" higher leagues for extra spice

[tall night]

kind of like... the kingdom raid vs the X raid.. huh...

[terse frigate]

But increasingly

[astral sedge]

It's going too fast rn anyways. The event is a ridiculous loot rain for those who can deal massive damage to the raid.

Loot disparity between top players and lower player is normal, but in this event when you put them in competition (that can't be won by the lower players) the gap between them is even greater.

Naturally top players won't complain because of the amount of free loot, but for everyone else the event feels bad.

We're now at 35% cap meaning if you've 3 people that can cap the damage in the first few turns, you can't even play.

[velvet seal]

You do not have to do max damage to get rewards.

I do like 500k regularly and it's been fine.

Sometimes you have to change your approach/build to be able to participate in manner you deem "fine".

I've never used an oceanus lung before this event. Now it's one of my fave augments with US.

[astral sedge]

In term of damage, I can do about 1m regularly but that's not my initial point. It has been derailed into that when my main complain is that it feels bad to play, and the weaker you are the worse it becomes.
But some people on maincord are so brainwashed by loot, efficiency, al... That they forgot that a game is supposed to be enjoyable to play.

[tall night]

i had a lot of fun, it was a bit different than other events, a bit similar really to terra, except this event had a clear alternate for those that didn't want to participate.

"brainwashed" , dude you just attacked everyone that enjoyed the event, thats mean

[astral sedge]

Half the event is literally press enter the raid. This is not fun.

It's not enjoyable gameplay, it's enjoyable loot.

[tall night]

thank you for dismissing mine and many other peoples opinion and what they enjoy.

[near plume]

Jesus christ @wicked lagoon every message of yours in every channel i've seen is just you being annoying, even if you're right

[astral sedge]

Your dismissing my opinion but I can't ? Ok.

[near plume]

@astral sedge odie seemed open to the suggestion of pollyX being closer to the idea of AW, but NF seems to not have the means of doing so while the event is running

This has been the most recurring suggestion so far and I agree

[tall night]

i didn't.

[near plume]

The way it is right now favors magic users the most because of how easy it is to get t.mag3. Top damage dealers are often ppl loaded with ALs and/or mid AL mages

[tall night]

there is a difference between " i had fun" and " you can't even play"

[near plume]

And beowulves i think

[brittle tapir]

The fix there isn’t changing the event, it’s making t. phy3 available as well

[velvet seal]

We all have access to same skills and classes. I'd prepare a good build for next iteration, if there is one.

[brittle tapir]

I think the event has been pretty enjoyable overall and a breath of fresh air from “smash kingdom raid as much as you can over a month”

[velvet seal]

It's been a nice change of pace and a lovely addition to Orna.

[brittle tapir]

I’m a realm main and I found myself playing BeoA, a class I’d never play otherwise, just to escape refract

[velvet seal]

Man of class and culture 🙌

Realm and avidity are the coolest

I appreciate being able to enter already redlined; its risky though as a single HP can end that session.

[brittle tapir]

If it weren’t for the refract bug I probably would have gone that route tbf

[merry sage]

Compared to kraids, it's immensely better

[tall night]

you know what would suck? if ya enter redlined insta die then have to wait 15 or 30 minutes or an hour for next boss...

[merry sage]

Stuff just moves, and it's really nice

[merry sage]

You don't though?

[velvet seal]

That would suck eh Mosz

[near plume]

I dont think this will ever be implemented

[velvet seal]

Good thing that hasn't happened to me

Turnover is fast

[tall night]

i mean its literally half the suggestions that have been posted here

[velvet seal]

Isn't the raid start button forcing the player into the next fresh instance?

It seems to be for me

[hazy escarp]

the next available instance*, yeah

[brittle tapir]

Neither do I, though I really don’t get how tmag has 3 or 4 sources, one of them being spammable by just using TMM and a piece of gear, while tphy has 1 iirc. But that’s not the point of this topic, forgive my ranting 😅

[velvet seal]

Mages are nerds and need the help

Warriors and thieves are Chads

That's canonical btw

[merry sage]

I've spent the last 4 hrs testing out a beo purple-lining build and have died numerous times due to distractions. Not once have I not been able to immediately reenter a raid after patching up. I find it exceedingly unlikely that anyone has had to wait the 15 min cooldown to reenter.

[tall night]

it has happened -mostly during off hours, but please re-read the point clearly was that the suggestions to make it AW timed style would cause increased frustration due to the easy deaths

[brittle tapir]

I think the 15min cd thing was only an issue before they changed how the raids work. Since then I’ve been there a lot, at very different hours, and never had any issues

[merry sage]

I'm confused now, I thought this was spurred by league-style discussion from before?

[tall night]

fair assumption, it would apply there too yes. there have been multiple posts here how during some hours it was going so slow

[merry sage]

Is that something to be excpected though, or is that more exceptional circumstances? I could see it being something to happen during ornaversary, but other than that I'd find it hard to believe. This event is like a rodeo, where playing it fast and loose is a necessity, and now there just needs to be 3 "heavy hitters" to clear a raid. I don't think changing it is necessary, and personally I've grown to quite enjoy the mad rush. I normally hate raiding, but this event has been a lot of fun.

[merry sage]

If players want traditional raids, those are still an option. AW style raids just wouldn't be good for a month long event since that'd put a huge limit as to what could be done and would leave everyone unsatisfied. Micro (2 or 3 day) events on the other hand...

This format might not be the best for a month-long event. I could, and would, like to instead see it implemented during mini events. This could be used to keep the main events more kingdom-focused while mini events are individual-focused, which doesn't seem like a terrible idea.

Cycling through these formats for each event throughout the year, the main, mini, and micro events, might be a potential solution. This way, instead of attempting to appease everyone simultaneously, each would have their turn. Whatever happens, I want to see more of this format in the future.

Minor edits because redundant words brain no work

[tidal nexus]

Anyone else getting random old pollys? I got thrown into an instance of all 14% and 20% damage caps. Also I got a polly.x raid notification of it being killed yesterday when I hadn't even been in the WV for 3 days. There's a lot of unkilled polly.x just looming around in limbo

[main lichen]

So we're at a point where 3 guys can down apo. I'm sure Beos have a lot of fun atm being able to nuke turn 1, but it kinda not fun for the others

[brittle tapir]

If only there was a way to change classes. Unfortunate

[astral sedge]

could be the answer to every complains everyone ever had about a class.
you shouldn't be required to change class just for an event to not feel bad.

[tall night]

i played it as RS, felt greaaaat!

[brittle tapir]

People out here acting like classes haven’t been optimal for certain contents for years now. A few years ago we all were swapping to heretic to mages dance through dungeons. Is it really that awful swapping to another class to have a slightly easier time at one particular event?

Other classes aren’t even bad, beo simply has the advantage for getting to ignore refract

[astral sedge]

even if you change class, doesn't change the fact that half your event gameplay is pressing start raid button

[brittle tapir]

Isn’t that the same for kingdom raids? Or for summon scroll raids?

Maybe you don’t enjoy raid events, and that’s okay, but that doesn’t mean the event itself is bad

I for one love the high speed feel of the event

And I’m using a class that I have 10 AL on so it’s clearly not a power issue

[astral sedge]

I like raids, but I don't like the pace of this kind of raid. It has nothing to do with regular raids. And by reading the feedback in this channel, I'm not the only one. When you can only play 1 or 2 turns and the raid ends because other people are hitting crazy hard, it doesn't feel like a raid (especially in a turn based game).

[merry sage]

The kraids and WRB's still exist, you don't have to participate in those particular raids if you don't like them.

[untold lynx]

Lols

[near plume]

This also means that anyone with a mid phone and internet connection will have an even harder time farming X

[alpine salmon]

and people really are forgetting that pet class beos will suck next month (parry raid)

[grizzled fulcrum]

It feels like the x raid is specifically aimed towards end-game players, which is fine but I still feel it could have been executed in a better fashion, I'm stuck getting 1-3 item rewards mostly even with lvl 234 beo and spiritgarm, hopefully next time it comes around I'll have ultimastrikes or auriga/better stuff in general ^^ I just don't think "lesser" players who can't do 4M in 3 seconds should be punished so hard

Other than that it's a fun event though, nice items

[tall night]

how many rewards are you getting from the kingdom raid how often>?

[lucid sundial]

Still that's so many proofs or avarice per hour

[barren crow]

I do like how this event makes you reconsider how you raid and pivot to a playstyle that allows you to do damage quickly

[edgy furnace]

I hadn't really tried Polly X since before the fishing tournament. There's barely any downtime for fighting the raids now. Get a few hit and move on. It's nice the game gives you the next raid. The refract is annoying for how brief the fights are. I can just kill myself and go to the next one.

[edgy furnace]

This is fun with Rend / Daggers

[grizzled fulcrum]

Only players that can do damage quickly to even compete on that raid to my limited knowledge is end-game/high AL players, it's near impossible for me to get more than 0-1 items on my RS which I mained from scratch, if I get lucky with RNG on my beo I can do 1+M before it dies in seconds.

You have to invest heavily into one class constantly in Orna and on top of that be lucky, it's very apparent that this event favors end-game players and gives them max rewards

Step into the shoes of many players that used the balor mnemonic and either got confused about the boss, as I've seen in multiple channels or just downright can't even touch the thing at all before it dies while the top players hoard and farm like madmen

Not everyone has the amount of knowledge, gear, level or luck to make that work 🙂 I have put in equal amount of effort for far less rewards, and in a sense that's alright, players who got a good setup should get rewarded, but not at the expense of others, if you know what I mean? I'm not too bothered by it honestly, I just felt really frustrated when I first met that boss and saw it die rapidly over and over and barely getting anything, it's just killing the spirit for many players

As demonstrated in this discussion apparently and other threads

People are limited by time too, not everyone has time enough to mash that raid daily for countless of hours

Just my opinion, have no intention of being negative or dismissive, I love you all and the community

By the time I mash ward of ortanite, jinn and snotra and cast deific with spiritgarm it's dead, or even before that, so majority of the time I'm forced to 1 hp redline and snotra + deific and hope it doesn't auto-attack me immediately

There is nothing wrong with events favoring more veteran players though, want to make that clear, it's just a little frustrating for the others struggling to get a quarter of a slice from the cake, hope you understand

At least with personal summoning scrolls you can do it at your own pace, or teamwork with a friend etc

Not sure what you mean with the x @tall night, it's true, AL is for a specific class, majority of gear is for a specific class

And gear is locked behind rare events

[tall night]

oh with the x, yah there is testimoney and screenshots from non arisen non AL players here showing them doing well at the raid. so not true you need heavy investment into 1 class

[grizzled fulcrum]

I still think to be able to do well there is very specific, everyone has their own style/favorite class etc, or just be high level

Do you remember the class and stuff they used? ^^

And level

[tall night]

one was 23x RS. and 1 was a GSH, beo,, idk others not sure if they said. every class can use a build to do faster-often riskier- moves on a boss, how many different raid builds have you tried?

[grizzled fulcrum]

Tried realmstrikes with double crit amity, even starting as redline as 10 AL with very poor performance and low crits cause I don't have time to cast buffs, I only have gear for that and beo, if I get ortanite up with jinn and snotra I can dish out 1-2M if I get 3-6 turns, maybe more while casting deific to make the turns skip quickly, I used a balor item 2 days ago I think and managed to do damage cap consistently but there were only 3-4 people who appeared to be able to do that, went at a good pace, but last 2 days I see 20 players in the area and it dies way too fast xD Probably cause it's at the end of the event

[summer sedge]

I got several ornates when the cap was 5% at the beginning of the raid doing 1 hits.

[grizzled fulcrum]

Yeah, I noticed the cap changed gradually, I thought it had something to do with how many players was around

Higher cap makes it way harder for me, for sure

[summer sedge]

After some monkeying around it was set at a base of 10 and gains 1% per day

[grizzled fulcrum]

Maybe I should have been quicker at the event xD

I only started to play again recently

[summer sedge]

You can still get 1 hit in just as good now as you could have then

Getting "Cap" does nothing

[grizzled fulcrum]

Aaahh

But it will die faster though, with higher cap

With people critting like crazy

[summer sedge]

My friend, 1 hit takes you the same amount of time then as now. At least now the raid not found bug is mostly gone.

[grizzled fulcrum]

I never experienced that bug I think, that sounds annoying ><

Only lag recently, probably cause so many people trying to kill it now

[summer sedge]

It varies a bit based on time of day but mostly when I have done it, I have time for 3 turns. The first few days were a bit wonky.

[tall night]

so theres 20 people there, and you manage to get 1-2M or 10-20% of the boss, and that is somehow frustrating and a struggle and somehow bad.

[grizzled fulcrum]

I can't do 1-2M anymore, maybe once or twice each item

[tall night]

what sort of raid caps on kingdom you got, and how many times a day are they refreshed, just to make a fair comparison for the raid rates

[grizzled fulcrum]

I used to be able to do that more often a couple days ago xD

[summer sedge]

During Ornaversary, it probably was slower as many people probably went hard on dungeons

[tall night]

so thats a. luck b. strategy , sounds like good elements of an event.

[grizzled fulcrum]

Aah yeah, that makes sense

[grizzled fulcrum]

When I played before I started recently again I was the king of a large kingdom and ran a discord, it was a lot of work and I put a lot of effort in it, had 100% on everything usually, haven't touched my Kingdom much lately but thought about reviving it

[summer sedge]

Honestly I love this event. It's like getting 60+ kingdom raids turning over every 30 minutes and all it costs me is a few balor menmonics I can even farm while in the area. Yeah I am not able to hit damage cap much but that is still 60 chances at loot as long as I just hit the thing

[grizzled fulcrum]

Yeah, I second that statement

It's ridiculously easy to craft the thing, and the rewards you get is not bad

[tall night]

how do you agree with that.. while saying that the event is a struggle

[grizzled fulcrum]

Even in my state

It's a struggle to get max rewards

[tall night]

ohhhh

right

cause max rewards every few hours is better than 60x half rewards every 30 minutes

[grizzled fulcrum]

If I was to make a choice between this or put the raid in kingdom, I would like this better for sure ^^

And it makes it available to everyone

Regardless of kingdom state, which is nice

Probably contradicting myself a bit here, I'm not very good at social stuff, hence my autism, sorry

Feel like I've been rambling on for too long, I like the event 🙂 Just the first impression wasn't too good, it can be hard to focus on the rewards when you see it die so fast and feeling rather helpless, feeling like you're missing out or not being capable enough? And there are probably players far worse off than me who does even less damage, but it's a great way for all players to get a slice without being limited by summoning scrolls or kingdoms

In the end it's a free pinata

TL;DR, nice event, I regret saying some of the stuff I did, it's a nice change from locking event stuff to kingdoms/scrolls and the rewards are great in comparison and far more accessible to everyone, can just mislead players a bit with "missing out", "not being strong enough" when seeing it die so fast etc

You guys have a good night 🙂 Just want to reiterate that I meant no ill intent Hug

I'll still try to get my axe 😁

[rare stirrup]

At a base level I dislike the 'rush to do as much damage as you can in 15 seconds' game play. It feels more like I am competing against top tier players.

Could I 'just do the kingdom raid'? Sure I could, and I do. Doesnt make my opinion less valid. Currently I have 2 classes that are gated by Realm Ore at AL31 and AL37, with one of them needing it twice in a row. I'm sure X would be decent for realm ore but I will stick to the slower k.raid because X is not fun to me.

Could I change class to deal with Refract easier? Sure. Would that suddenly make it fun? Not at all.

Mechanically I'm just not a fan of how X works and that's ok. Not everything needs to be catered to me.

@grizzled fulcrum There's nothing wrong with sharing your opinion. That's what this thread is for.

[grizzled fulcrum]

Life with autism has just given me a phobia of saying stuff wrong haha

[summer sedge]

I mean you often are competing against top tier players so it seems fair you'd feel that way/

[devout parcel]

Practically, it is more like PVP event than a PVE event. Which if that's what it was designed to be, then I think it is working great. But the start of the month it seemed to be introduced as more of a collaborative event. I don't think the final product really captures the spirit of that to players when the incentives encourage them to see one another as competition rather than collaborators.

[merry sage]

Of this breakdown, the only thing that applies to me personally is that I am T11. I don't have many ALs, use a poorly optimized build of random items thrown together, yet I can still routinely hit over 1m per battle, and am occasionally hitting dmg limit before the raid ends. Certain classes have an easier time with this raid that others, but that's always been true in my almost 5 years of orna. Beo is best for this event, but next month will be the polar opposite and beo will be the worst. That is good, though, else there would be no importance regarding class choice or build optimization. It's healthy that nothing is good at every aspect of the game.

[merry sage]

Also relatable

[crisp spruce]

I pretty much love everything about the event. Probably my favorite event now, beating out dragons.

1.) no locking progress to kingdom, if something is kingdom exclusive I pretty much have to write it off because kingdom orns are (in my opinion) poorly designed and I play in spurts so joining a better kingdom isn’t really in the cards. Progress is also not locked to couch casinoing wayvessel dungeons. With some light requirements I can access and grind the event as hard as I want when I want and I don’t feel disadvantaged as someone who plays on foot whereas a lot of content feels extremely inaccessible if you don’t drive.

2.) summoning scrolls tend to be mired with multi layer rng that make me feel like I grinded them out for nothing. I know some people like that, but grinding out 200+ summoning scrolls is hard for me and I don’t enjoy it, so then getting 1/3 of the raids I actually wanted to do, and then getting nothing leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Recent events with craftable scrolls or other entry methods thus rate higher for me.

3.) I enjoyed having to rethink my strat to get more damage in faster. I experimented a bit with different followers / skills to get the most buffs I could get in one turn and then go ham, and it’s working out for me. Sure, sometimes I get refracted but I honestly the concept of a loot piñata that occasionally just says “no you’re done” is a bit humorous to me.

I think it’s the kind of event where you have to set expectations correctly or actually do a little bjt of hourly calculation to judge your progress. No, you probably won’t hit the damage limit every raid but you’re also not necessarily meant to.

[merry sage]

Honestly, you really don't need to hit damage cap either.

[compact mica]

loot piñata is perfect euphemism for this event

[alpine salmon]

this game has been a loot piñata for the past 5/6 yrs already, nothing really new here

[crisp spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/punching-bag-fail-knockout-gif-9963791

Actual footage of refract ^

[barren crow]

I do dislike it having an absolute playdate with Refract, though, as it conflicts heavily with "do damage quick"

I forget where, but someone suggested that enemies with Refract can't use them twice in a row, and I like that idea

Gives you at least some counterplay besides picking between "ups maybe I'll die using this" or "maybe I'll reuse a buff I already used" before it dies in 5 turns

[grizzled fulcrum]

Morning

And yeah hehe

[compact mica]

wake me when second chance only gives a second chance

counterattack is the literal counter to one-shot-meta

use a Lacuna.. use WoO.. use a buff. I get that because this raid resets quickly, it's more of an issue

but counterattack isnt really the problem imo

[crisp spruce]

counterplay? no thoughts only bonk

[heady siren]

Biggest issue with the event is that we've been stuck with refract + it's bug for the whole month.

Refract is annoying (and always has been) but it's fine sp long as the nuke once and die strategy remains an option

The bug removes that, while also just punishing general mistakes far more than it should.

If the bug wasn't going to get fixed before the end of the month, then the refract behavior should have been changed as a result, and it's both frustrating and dissapointing that it wasnt

[summer sedge]

I find the Refract thing sort of amusing personally. Ohh yeah? Here eat this you Spiked Shielding sonuvagun Beguiled Polly X gains the smug satisfaction of seeing you die before he does

[heady siren]

I think the mechanic is totally fine, but not having the damage done that turn count towards your damage total is a back breaking bug

[summer sedge]

I thought that was just how Refract worked, he doesn't actually take the damage on the attack like parry

[heady siren]

I haven't tested on non red beguiled polly recently, but I used to kill that one on refract turns without issue

Just tested, non red polly counts full damage done on refract turns. Just X guy that is broken

Which refers back to the fix the bug or change the spam message above 😅

[summer sedge]

ahh, interesting then, is it only if you die or even if you survive?

I can't even see the battle log anymore if I don't die, so unsure if I get credit or not if I second chance

[barren crow]

It's that if you die when you use something (be it by Refract, DoTs, etc.) that damage dealt DOES NOT COUNT

[summer sedge]

And is that a bug?

[barren crow]

perhaps

[summer sedge]

i know there is a bug report on it but no comment

[barren crow]

it depends on if it's considered a bug or not

[heady siren]

Either it's a bug, or every other raid in the game is bugged no? It's inconsistent with every other raid we've had

Would be weird and poorly advised to have polly x exist in it's own weird sphere of what damage does and does not count

[barren crow]

we've just not had a raid that's refracted enough for this to be recognized, methinks

nothing different changes for any other raid

you die right as you cast something? damage doesn't count

[summer sedge]

I know I've 'killed' raids, then died to dots and not got credit for last turn

I just thought it was intended behavior

[heady siren]

T10 polly in kingdom raid definitely counts damage done if you die to refract

Dying to dots and damage not counting makes sense with the turn order (sort of), the refract behavior is definitely new though

99% sure parry damage also counts even if Balin kills you

[barren crow]

well Parry is done on HIS turn

this might just be a world raid bug then

[alpine salmon]

yep that's a bug, because that should count

the double edge of suicide gs alt account wrb duo strats counts even if it dies

(rip to the strat after the bp nerfs)

[slender coyote]

if you attack, but died by a poison for example, it doesn't count, so i would count that as a bug 😛

[barren crow]

...is there an actual bug report open for it?

[slender coyote]

i remember seeing one, might be wrong

[summer sedge]

https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1235038713336041542

I do know this phenomena is not unique to refract and Beguiled Polly X though, I have experienced it in other World Raids, dying to Berserk on the last hit for instance

[forest remnant]

I don't understand this, are you claiming no endgame content should ever be released?

[terse frigate]

I'd say that content aimed at a tier should be doable by the whole tier

[edgy furnace]

It's funny to see the combat log combine my damage and refract. Cap was 40% or 4,770,00. The rest of that 11 million was reflected back at me.

[terse frigate]

I don't have problems doing this content, but I understand the frustration of ppl who can't

My idea here was to segment the population so that low raiders have a chance

At peak time the raid goes down in 3 turns

This takes the bold assumption that there's enough active population to allow this kind of segmentation tho

[forest remnant]

It Is doable

If you segment the slow ppl would get insanely LESS rewards for time invested

[tall night]

which is.. no one. everyone can do it. do not straight up lie.

[terse frigate]

Doing 200k is not participating imho

[tall night]

why not?

compare that to kingdom raid please.

[forest remnant]

In HoA we don't get complains but low al ppl, fresh T10 and so on get far less stuff

Count what you get farming a hour that's literally the only thing that matters

Hoa is different the raid comes up for you and your party alone

If you kill another respawns

That's it

No complains

[tall night]

"raid goes down in 5 seconds" ok so 200k in 5 seconds, so youre looking at 1m per minute, or a full solo kill every 10 minutes, available for (practically) free 24/7/31, compare that to kingdom raid?

[terse frigate]

Well that's eat better

[forest remnant]

It's far worse but no complains

[terse frigate]

Way*

[forest remnant]

It's even better for high al ppl who can solo

Way worse for everyone else lol

I have 2250 kills

Like 1200 solo 1k duo

many ppl don't even have ornate of the weapon they want

[terse frigate]

Don't make me jealous now

[forest remnant]

Because unless they setup party

They cant

You get auto party lol

Can deal a bit get drops and farm forever even going GS al 0 ultima

Quickcast

It's like 300k turn one

[terse frigate]

Best way tbh is beo

[forest remnant]

At al 0 yes but we are months from ash

[terse frigate]

Even at Al 0 I got cap

[forest remnant]

So fresh people can't beo

[terse frigate]

But you need garm

I'm not sure what I would use if I didn't have garm

[forest remnant]

If you have asg you what

T10 since at least Christmas?

I am talking people who reached T10 last 60-90days

[tall night]

hold up there are free AL0 tactics to hit cap? 2 minutes ago most people couldn't even participate in this event?

[terse frigate]

That's not free tho

[forest remnant]

not sure you can hit 30-40% cap

[terse frigate]

That's event locked

[forest remnant]

But you can do 1-2m

[devout parcel]

Riftfall was back in feb I believe?

[forest remnant]

Not event locked achlys

Riftlock raid

You can easily trade for 10-20

[alpine salmon]

asc 0 beo blue dog

[forest remnant]

Riftlock drops Ashley's adorn

Achlys adorn

GS ultima turn one does more than anyone else

Because 2.25x multiplier

It's later turns that other get better

[terse frigate]

Anyway that's 3 endgame players discussing entry level problems

[forest remnant]

I am telling you on hoa

They don't have the problem

They don't complain

But they get less stuff

No one complained literally in a month about the apo x raid in hoa

Complains were for bugs about the riftbreak

[devout parcel]

Reasonable, IMO. Even if is less rewards, it is more consistent, less hectic gameplay that wont make you competing with strangers.

[forest remnant]

We only got the memory bonus after two weeks

Couldn't complete it before because bug

You aren't competing

They are helping you

If you do 1m and they do the rest

You get drops instead of dying in the raid

[terse frigate]

Imho is the mix of competing with the dreaded refract

If you removed that from the equation you would feel less pressured

Or at least modify it to make the reflected damage count

[devout parcel]

There is no time pressure applied by refract on it though, no harm in waiting it out. I can do the raid fine from home, but I gave up on my commute. Network is too unstable to join in time to attack even once.

[terse frigate]

The pressure is that you have 3 turns to do any damage

And refract negates it

(if you die, which is very likely)

[devout parcel]

Yeah, I meant in HoA. In Orna there is huge time pressure

[forest remnant]

Btw BP can't be reflected

[terse frigate]

Really?

[forest remnant]

Really

[terse frigate]

That's a better solution for lowbies then

Maybe

[forest remnant]

Hard to do much damage at al 0 without event items

[terse frigate]

Not sure lol

[forest remnant]

And without quick cast

[devout parcel]

Def get the kingdom raid items if you are in that position.

I used a normal katar for like a year, then finally upgraded to a legendary maybe 6 months ago. Totally worth using even at normal.

[terse frigate]

I'm fishing for a decent red one

For now the best I found was 18x something

[forest remnant]

Anyway I was just worried that what low al/fresh T10 Ask for

Would actually increase the gap and help high al even more

And give them fewer rewards

[terse frigate]

I care a bit more for the fun factor, but I see your point

[forest remnant]

At the end if the request is overwhelming it should be satisfied

But I fear ppl don't understand well the dynamic for example when they consider it a competition vs stronger players which it isnt

[terse frigate]

Like if I was a 230 RS I'm not sure I would enjoy this event

[forest remnant]

Question is would you enjoy previous apo more? You still get books, and get some drops without investing scrolls

Scrolls or korns

Also get mnemonic buff which is huge at that stage

For mats and orns

[terse frigate]

Now that I know how hoa event works I would have enjoyed that more (at my power level)

At that power level, that's though to answer

[forest remnant]

If it becomes like hoa

Lvl230 does nothing with the raid

[terse frigate]

I might have saved it for better days like I did for a Morri

If it was a scroll

[devout parcel]

230 is probably going to get wrecked by the raid without other players help

[terse frigate]

If it was like HOA, prolly ignored

[forest remnant]

In hoa can get carried

But if you don't setup carry

You can't do anything basically except books/mnemonics which is still decent

[devout parcel]

Just dont eat a verse or hit refract i guess

[forest remnant]

BP doesn't refract

[devout parcel]

The 230 RS is probably not using BP 😅

[forest remnant]

The 230 RS swaps to GS al0

And duos with bp caster

[devout parcel]

To Aci's point, it doesnt sound enjoyable. Would rather not do the event than play a class I personally find boring.

Plenty of more enjoyable content available

[forest remnant]

I mean that in general would mean very little raiding with most classes until you get lvl 245, Al and good gear

Not only this event I mean but in general

RS lvl 230 can't do snake as well

[devout parcel]

RS has usually been a solid choice for early t10 raiding, though that has changed a lot in the past year

[forest remnant]

I mean you can maybe kill a few but the raids needed to summon the snake will take so long as well

Raiding events in general aren't particularly good for early T10 I'd say. So compared to them, what you can do to apo x in orna Is decent

[devout parcel]

I am all for more progression at endgame, though I think the access to X is too easy to gather then

[astral sedge]

That's the hardest part for many people here. And has been for a long time.

I don't even care about rewards, I just find it a bad gameplay loop to spend more time pressing the button "start raid", and I'm one of those who can actually do something afterward so for people who can't the event is even worse.
Not to mention that the event gives a clear advantage to classes with higher frontload for no reason. I'll be tolded again that you can swap class, but everything in the endgame wants you to focus on 1 class so swapping class for an event like this should be a thing.

It's too late now to change things but I really hope NF will not apply this kind of raiding experience everywhere else.

[terse frigate]

Ironically I was beo main, switched al to deity and instantly regretted

[near plume]

I thought it was perfectly fine in terra event. Not sure why they chose to have Just one balor site

[leaden barn]

I am having ptsd from seeing the following

good riddance

[tall night]

whispers gently "Parry"

[leaden barn]

nooo...

get away from me

[tall night]

you know its coming...

[terse frigate]

At least parry is DMG capped I guess

[tacit sable]

Any word on what happens when using mnemonics outside of event? Will they just not work?

[terse frigate]

I guess we'll know in 29 hours

Not that I'll have much left by then

[brittle tapir]

I think Dangy previously stated they wouldn’t work until the event came back

[tall night]

of course they will work for a disabled event, they'll just be a one way ticket for your character 😉

[velvet seal]

I have heard the BM will summon a BAX to your location after event conclusion.

Might be a good precedent to farm a bunch before event ends, could come across an ornate book X too 😄

[tall night]

yah everyone should stop farming jellon right now and farm the monsters for the memories!

[leaden barn]

this is true

[velvet seal]

I haven't gotten a single ornate book, and wish I had knew of this earlier hahahahah

That's a bit of motivation to farm NGL

[near plume]

Ngl id like that. Something about 30 straight minutes of chaotic raiding just didnt click for me

To me its more stressful than enjoyable

[slender coyote]

to me the 30 mins chaos is better, because you can deal small damage and still get stuff, from the 300 jellyons you hit... what it is really stressful is trying to kill the raid and nobody hitting it for 15 minutes.

i literally just went with 1T Ultima + Boots that had acorns for mana regen, if i died from refract just went to the next raid, got several ornates already

[velvet seal]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-news-trump-gif-22804577

[slender coyote]

really?

aww

[velvet seal]

Apologies for propagating false information 😦

[slender coyote]

i was about to farm a lot of balor memories

[swift reef]

As someone who only did a few at the end of the month, I found the event really bad. The way you join in and you got 3 lagy turns to do damage before it clears, I would had prefer an Otherrealm style you get 5 minutes to do as much damage as you want, then it resets, and start again.

The whole idea of the way the event was when I did it, made it so any build that requires a buff ramp, was useless, and gameplay wise, it was just a spamfest with no real thinking behind it

The idea of a realm you do in, like the tera event, is cool though

So yeah, If I could do a change:
Make the raid be an Otherealm style with 10X cap, that last 5 minutes, maybe less still
Individual fights, heck maybe let parties join the fight for once, as a party HP pool, who knows

[summer sedge]

Probably my favorite raid event ever.

I wish the timer was a bit shorter though, like 15 minutes maybe instead of 30.

[compact mica]

i liked terra a lot better

but both good!

[summer sedge]

What did you like better about Terra?

[compact mica]

see terra thread, im super vocal

[summer sedge]

I was rather hoping for just a brief summary 😄

I didn't mind the gameplay loop for Terra, I just didn't really have any incentive (personally) to play it over grinding out the other events

[compact mica]

Terra had low pop issues, but the event design was excellent

Jellyon feels unfinished in comparison; Balor needs some unique party mechanics, so we can join the world mob fights and in that way access unique bosses, or something like that. The raid, of course, many complained, but i liked where it ended up

[summer sedge]

Yeah, I'm lovin the raid, it's constant, feels frantic. And then the occasional Reflect FU to the face makes me chuckle and breaks it up a bit.

[compact mica]

very similar feels, lol

||except I get aced hitting the dmg cap||

[summer sedge]

I've gotten ornates on ones I did absolutely no damage to

[slender coyote]

not sure if Strahd is missing the /s xD

[tacit sable]

idk how likely thatd actually be as much as I wish I got some Ornate books I think but am they are rare

I just saw it's fake news lol

would been sweet tho

[velvet seal]

Yeah sorry 😦

[tacit sable]

it's okay we can all dream of some easy BAX kills instead of potion spam start raid spam 😔

[slender coyote]

i kinda want to know how many Jellyons died this month xDD

[terse frigate]

Me too

My conservative guesstimation is 50k, edit: maybe too conservative. 300k assuming 10 seconds respawn

[summer sedge]

given as we were already at 95k after a week...

[velvet seal]

Send help

[jagged coral]

Damn shame. I was farming realm ore too

[swift reef]

damm i did not know it droped realm ore

shame i really disliked the spam fest gameplayà

[broken sparrow]

It mean that it's time to let it go

Its june already

Damage limit = 10+day-1 then :))

[tidal nexus]

Bugged instance like I mentioned earlier. There's A LOT of unkilled polys floating in the abyss. I got thrown in a bugged instance with one at 5%, 15% and 22%. All had damage on them but were never killed. Hopefully they all get auto killed off when the event ends and we get our rewards

[willow topaz]

so after this event is over can I still use my balor memories to fight apo x?

[tidal nexus]

The next time the event is around

[crisp spruce]

can’t wait to bankrupt the monument guild with all these beguiled X clothes

[broken sparrow]

it's better to just dismantle it, because it's made of ~~"gold" ~~(Realm Ore actually)

monument is not worth it

the best item doesnt show up on it

[crisp spruce]

clothes don’t dismantle into realm ore

[broken sparrow]

oh i didnt know that, but material is just always better than some minor coin

[crisp spruce]

nah I use avarice a lot

some events are “car or wayvessel or gtfo” and it’s the only way I get those items lol

[broken sparrow]

what did you buy on the monument guild ?

[crisp spruce]

has been useful for riftfall, fomor (rarely see chaos portals and one random spawn per 5 mins does not a farm make), aaru stuff

all of my ornate riftrogue and spiked great shield came from monument, and i value that over some hide, runestone and silk

[edgy furnace]

It looks like a finfolk rift break at Balor.

[devout parcel]

Someone snuck out

[tacit sable]

can u fight it?

[devout parcel]

Yeah, hit it a few times but wasnt in my raiding class so didnt do too much

[fallen spear]

I was kinda hoping that beta Apollyon wouldve been summoned nearby after the event ends. Happy to see you managed to get a few before they made the item ubuseable. would've loved to solo him from all the mnemonics I've farmed during the event. Now they're useless till we see him next year (or few months) .. globally .. would prefer just tackling him myself tbh

[swift reef]

Same, would have been nice as an Otherealm style raid that resets every 5-10 minute or something

[leaden barn]

farewell and good riddance

[grizzled fulcrum]

Farewell axe, may I be stronger enough to efficiently grind you next time

😁

[slender coyote]

still curious on how many jellyons died xD

[spark fjord]

I disliked how I started the raid and it had like 1 HP left

[edgy talon]

Proposal for the future:

Let's say a jelly has 25% cap,
Every time a player enters a jelly, add to one that has <4 players on
If a jelly has 4 players on, create a new jelly
If a player abbandons or dies, free a spot on the jelly so the next player can finish it

This way, all can cap, at their own pace. Fast people will finish their slot fast and get a new one. Slow people will be able to place their buffs and do their best damage until capping instead of having to do subpar burst damage just to get something in

Saying this as someone who got all from this event (on my mains) and saw how patethic it can go on slower pgs (my alts)

Still liked it much more than the current event

[terse frigate]

Good idea and also I feel bad thinking of farming Polly with my alts

[frail kite]

I got a question for this

Imagine 99 players are on a balor

That means 25 jellies are spawned at most

I join (meaning 100 players), would I need to search for that one polly that is not full (if for some reason all other 24 are full)?

Would I need to race against potentially the other 99 players to get into a new polly (multiple times if it gets full before i'm able to enter)?

Wouldn't that rely on world refresh rate more than ever?

[terse frigate]

One of the first group to finish will get in the 25th Polly, the other 2 will spawn a new one and will be joined by 2 of the second group that finishes and so so forth

[grizzled fulcrum]

Next time apollyon comes around I will have ultimastrikes hopefully

I should be able to do near limit every turn ^^

Sure, the rewards were great, but i spent 20 hours on the event alone and mostly got 3 raid rewards

While many got full pot every boss fight

I spent 20 hours, some spent 20 hours and got tons of exp and loot instead, just kind of feels wrong to me

Can you imagine spamming a raid and getting 0-3 boss rewards, knowing people are getting max?

It's like joining a champinship in boxing with zero experience

Also the spam was tiring and was clearing taxing on the servers

[crisp spruce]

For me, even if they were moving too fast, still way more rewards from the event than if I had to farm scrolls or something so it didn’t concern me if I didn’t get max every time

[terse frigate]

You won't, you have 3 turn to buff and cast ultimastrikes before someone else kills it. Additionally refract will nullify your damage if it kills you

But I understand your frustration, I tried to say that this event is not beginner friendly but I was outnumbered

[grizzled fulcrum]

I don't even have ultimastrikes, but I know it would make it a lot easier, that's what I hope to have next time so I can do 3-5M in one hit, even if refract kills me I would have done enough damage

[terse frigate]

If refract kills you, the damage is ignored

[grizzled fulcrum]

Really? ><

[terse frigate]

Yep that's why beo was great

Cannot be refracted

[grizzled fulcrum]

I thought someone said otherwise

[terse frigate]

Let's say you attack twice

First 1m, second 3m retracted

Only 1m Dmg will counf

[grizzled fulcrum]

Yeah that's rough

[terse frigate]

If you survive thanks to second chance I think 4m will count

[grizzled fulcrum]

I'm happy they are trying new things though