#Grand Summoner Hydrus Update

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somber parrot
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  1. Your first summon has prvoke II. You can still sacrifice it. Combined with the idea that hypa choose 3 weakness summons. It's an extend of in game spell, also easy to add.
    (Edit: like discuss below, a high HP/def/resis summon with Privoke II is enough)
coral pawn
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Wouldn't it be easier to just give Provoke to an existing summon like Golems?

somber parrot
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With a higher hp Summon, yes. Golems too waek.

safe wyvern
rocky acorn
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What about a gear that give the summons this skill (like the great meditation/berserk/ etc gear)
Or we return to the rng domain again?

Btw
There are followers with the appease skill.
It can do wonders with a summoner!
More points for an optional follower 😉

somber parrot
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Gear may be a little limited. Especially Exotics.

solid oracle
safe wyvern
coral pawn
somber parrot
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Agree. If there's a suitable summon. ( Or adjust the T9 cele summon)

safe wyvern
coral pawn
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NekroGSH Summary v1.1

Post CR buff

Overall Feedback on NekroGSH

The discussion about increased CR rates went on and they still don't warrant a constant usage of HyPa on their own so possible ways to increase it were discovered.
When talking about HyPa as a main dmg pact we noticed that NekroGSh might run into survivability problems due to frequently clearing their field.
Some also feel locked to HyPa.

Further Feedback

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Suggestions

Suggestions mainly evolved around how to improve HyPa, CR rates and survivability. How to fluently combine BP and HyPa gameplay was another topic.
Stances became a big part as they seem very flexible and able to cover different points of interest.
Some further discovered possible ways to interact with a follower.

Stances

Further suggestions

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@sinful sluice @gentle quarry would you kindly?
Thanks🍻

gentle quarry
somber parrot
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Isn't GSH pact boost a little low in beta? 1.3x

coral pawn
gentle quarry
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Can the territory ai use HyPa? Or would that require three summons like bp?

coral pawn
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The spell itself requires up to 3 summons on the field.

wispy phoenix
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You can use it with 2 summons but itll do less damage. Dont know if the ai can use it tho

somber parrot
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AI in live sever only use BP when there's more summons.

wispy phoenix
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Looks like it's the same as bp, AI only uses it when there are at least 3 summons. So not very useful for pvp defense still

plain niche
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3 Summons is the Min

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coral pawn
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Just a random thought,
Tbh when thinking about it i had the most fun with NekroGSH when CR summoned multiple.
I was like 'whoa that's pretty nice' seeing summon constantly pop up and be sacced by HyPa was very satisfying.
So if we can reach this state of constant summoning and saccing either by NekroGSHs passive or spells themselves or additional gear/adorns etc. i think it could be a good experience.

somber parrot
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Spell like: Corpse Explosion.... More like a Nekro.

plain niche
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How about a New Summon that has low hp but deals dmg To enemies when it dies (also it could have a innate protection chance boost)

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So it could work Well with hypa aswell^

rocky acorn
rocky acorn
somber parrot
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HyPa is for dungeons now, better if it's aoe.

coral pawn
past jolt
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Suicide bomber summons, corpse explosion, aoe pact, buffed hypa and buffed Charon ritual are the main things I want to see, not all but some atleast

coral pawn
rocky acorn
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Hi guys. A question, in beta, do you really have immediate access to only 1 celectial adornment of each kind? Or is there a way to duplicate them? Or do I need to get them the good old way and run some towers before testing a complete (ish) build? (Which is fine I guess)

Could be cool if we could duplicate our equipment from our live account..

cunning marlin
rocky acorn
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Have no idea what is this mirror 😅

After reading on main channel.

Now I get it.
Thanks!

cunning marlin
past jolt
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just to add more, i got my mirror and played around with it and for raids specifically i want to say hydrus pact feels really weak compared to blood pact, im dealing 800k per hydrus pact with full buffs, an optimised setup and a fully adorned celestial quarterstaff for pact damage

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some other thoughts, we talked about gear possibly helping with charon ritual rates, but do we have gear that only influeces one specific celestial class? afaik we dont, we have stuff that boost class-line buffs like avidity and collateral damage

coral pawn
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Personally i'm not too afraid of it doing too little dmg since those are numbers that can and will easily be adjusted when tested by the broad playerbase if necessary.

First an foremost we need to nail the feeling of the class imo.
If you say CR feels off that's more of a concern to me than raw dmg numbers.

past jolt
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yeah ofc, i just thought that maybe the lack of damage cause of my unascended weak character, but its an issue with my mirror too, but yes charon ritual procs wayy too little imo

coral pawn
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No it's not a problem with your mirror. HyPa does as much dmg as a Ultima does on GSH, no blights/weakness , no sigils, standart 40%crit dmg amity.

However baseGS does more dmg under same conditions with Ultima and knocks it out of the park if sigils n blights come into play which tbf GSH could use too.

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So all in all it's dmg wise comparable with a standart Ultima and imo in the first place it's the setup and maintaining it that holds HyPa back.
I'll not compare it to BP since adjustments are already announced.

brisk surge
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The chance of summoning multiple would help with keeping hypa going

sinful sluice
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I would like to see the chance of summoning multiple things with charon ritual again, yes. It felt good to use while it was there

coral pawn
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Ye it really gave the quantity feeling. Since the most efficient summons were

  • summon dead
  • summon ghost
  • summon very scary skeleton
    It was absolutely fitting.
    Besides that might further improve the survivability.
wild oak
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Nekro won 👀

sinful sluice
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secondly - only about a third of the people voted compared to the last poll

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thirdly - it was basically a tie

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much like the first poll

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All of which to say I don't think it is necessarily the most indicative of results

wild oak
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Yeah i said that as a joke too

past jolt
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i think a beta patch with a couple of buffs to the feel of nekro would make it way more fun than the pet variant

pulsar steppe
safe wyvern
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Thank you odie for your patience with us GrandSummoner

coral pawn
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Ye thanks for the efforts, let's take what we got and back to the drawing board👋
(No literally i have to make a new gif🤣)

sinful sluice
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Good luck with the Gif / Gif (whichever way you pronounce it)

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Until then, I suppose I'll be locking the thread - no point in feedbacking further if it has been shelved until later