treasure-scramble

[cinder cargo]

Wow

That is bad

[solemn sage]

can't get r6 above 10.5 but I can't be bothered messing with lib targetting

[polar dune]

I still do not have a 8 mythic collection

[astral hatch]

Nice!

[polar dune]

So idk how lucky that is

[astral hatch]

What the heck

[solemn sage]

just need to get a 6 mythic collection

and pop two cards

[wise whale]

i don’t even have a single useable collection

[polar dune]

yeah from the 16 runs , i have yet to get a 6 mythic collection ending

[wise whale]

[astral hatch]

Not even, just need 4. Fifth from farewell gift, then pop 3 cards.

[wise whale]

highest i got were 3 and they were all garbage

[solemn sage]

you can pop 3 cards? I thought 2 was limit

[astral hatch]

1 attack, 1 defense, 1 skill

[polar dune]

2 is limit yeah

[solemn sage]

there's 3 types of cards

but you can only use 2 cards per run

[polar dune]

Need perk lv 6 maybe

Doesn’t exist yet

But maybe at lv 6

[solemn sage]

let's do a quick check through my collections

[wise whale]

my teams r doing so bad

[astral hatch]

Pretty sure I used more than that when I got this, but I could also be very wrong.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1180429316966842408/1191807714549043370/IMG_5920.png?ex=65a6c86d&is=6594536d&hm=98eb6f10ee33c682b4c5e1240bcfe56aa9bf3847aea3cd3d7c28a9f23073b65d&

I wouldn’t have picked full def or full Hp

So yeah, seems like it is 2

[polar dune]

[fair rapids]

@misty epoch

[polar dune]

i have no need for this

[fair rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/munsonated-gif-26549638

[solemn sage]

I've gotten:
one 5
three 4s
nine 3s
in 81? runs

some of those were from farewell gift but the 5 was a full blue run

[fair rapids]

I'll take it

[polar dune]

Eventually i’ll hit it

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

So

[fresh yarrow]

NO WAY

[cinder cargo]

Do I pick it

[polar dune]

I’m not too worried on when i will hit 8 myhic

[fresh yarrow]

I FORGOT TO PUT A PET ON ABEL COMP

[cinder cargo]

[solemn sage]

real question is

when do you hit six mythic+

with two skillup

[astral hatch]

No, unless it’s for Talene or Joan

[cinder cargo]

Oh talene

[polar dune]

I only ever hit 1 mythic +

On all my GG run

And its fking useless

[tame quiver]

Class totem robbing ppl

[astral hatch]

Grats

[tame quiver]

m+ is actually insane - if anyo

[polar dune]

yeah I guess

[astral hatch]

It’s not as big an increase as going from L to M

[solemn sage]

way smaller increase

did a quick tally

subtracting my mythics from farewell gift, I've gotten a total of 93 mythic stats in 81 runs

[lime zinc]

More M stats than runs is crazy

[solemn sage]

is it?

[lime zinc]

I only get M stats maybe 2 or 3 runs a week

[solemn sage]

I feel like I average 1 mythic on blue runs

[lime zinc]

At least half mine are 0 M

[fresh yarrow]

i dont remember the last time ive seen a mythic

[solemn sage]

for every 0 mythic run I feel like I get at least one 2-3 mythic run

[cinder cargo]

Yay my third ashem collection

[solemn sage]

to bring the average back up

[cinder cargo]

[lime zinc]

I've only had a tiny handful of 3 mythic runs but I've had more than half 0 M

[fresh yarrow]

do collections work in rift or also disabled

[polar dune]

Just tecycle

[lime zinc]

Like maybe 4 or 5 3 M runs out of 100 (including test)

[cinder cargo]

I barely see Ms

[polar dune]

I don’t advocate for recycle but u manage to make one so unusable

[cinder cargo]

Can't afford to recycle

[polar dune]

That it might be good on ashem

[astral hatch]

Mine are similar, 83 mythic stats while not counting farewell gift

[cinder cargo]

Just hope for new MP fort hero

[polar dune]

Yeah nah

[astral hatch]

Awakened Talene would like a word

[cinder cargo]

Oh ye

[fresh yarrow]

oh wow so collections do work in rift

this might make 300 easy for me

[cinder cargo]

Completely forgot about her

[fresh yarrow]

now i actually have to play collections

[solid monolith]

does this make you feel better

[cinder cargo]

Oh it's better than my other ashem one

[polar dune]

Damn

[cinder cargo]

[cinder cargo]

Yeah OK hp and lv M at bottom

[tawdry hatch]

I'm close

[fresh yarrow]

when do i unlock sweep?

[solid monolith]

after 10 runs

[tawdry hatch]

once u finish 10

[solid monolith]

might have to reach floor 10 every time, idk

[dusk tundra]

yea i think so

[cinder cargo]

I did get this for a run though

[fresh yarrow]

oh damn

[cinder cargo]

That's literally the top of the list at floor 10

[polar dune]

Poverty stricken

[dusk tundra]

Why tf rem and abel that bad?

[cinder cargo]

I got a lot of M stats this week though

1 M stat makes the the entire collection pretty good

Which is insane

[solid monolith]

at least i know not to expect more from miracle worker runs

[tawdry hatch]

where emi engravings

[dusk tundra]

e30 or e60?

[tawdry hatch]

e44

e61 if u have the cores

[dusk tundra]

so e60

[cinder cargo]

Oh

[karmic lance]

baits or copy of eugene in the event?

[fresh yarrow]

is it worth using any of these without LV?

[tawdry hatch]

also, did u try palmer p4 instead of Gavus?

[tawdry hatch]

yes

[cinder cargo]

Save +lv cards for swag runs

[dusk tundra]

i was saving for awthalia/eugene but i might do her then

[fresh yarrow]

objectively eugene

[solemn sage]

I mean if you want full distribution, subtracting one from farewell gift runs:
one 5
three 4s
five 3s
nineteen 2s
twenty-three 1s
thirty 0s

[dusk tundra]

will try

[tawdry hatch]

wokes take prio, just do emi e30 for starters

[karmic lance]

yes what 😛

[tawdry hatch]

yes indeed

[dusk tundra]

i mean my awthalia is at m+ with 1 copy

[astral hatch]

What is a swag run

[tawdry hatch]

close then yeah

[cinder cargo]

Skillset worker gift

[fresh yarrow]

it was a multi choice question 😭

[solemn sage]

potato's term for miracle worker + farewell gift

[cinder cargo]

The +2 lv run

[lime zinc]

swog

[tawdry hatch]

and I gave a multi interpretation answer

[astral hatch]

How does that even translate to swag

[fresh yarrow]

is it even worth using totems without lv?

[lime zinc]

It doesn't

[cinder cargo]

SWaG

It's an acronym

[astral hatch]

For what?

[solemn sage]

skillset, worker, and gift

[lime zinc]

It's the S W and G with a random A

[cinder cargo]

I said above sir

It's and

[lime zinc]

Omfg and

[dusk tundra]

Bro

[lime zinc]

swog

[astral hatch]

Oh this makes sense

[tawdry hatch]

S||upreme Skillset, Miracle ||W||orker, F||a||rewell ||G||ift||

[astral hatch]

That tracks

[dusk tundra]

thats like ssmwfg

[tawdry hatch]

wait ur running talis??

[astral hatch]

[solemn sage]

I mean the important part is miracle worker + farewell gift but making good acronym for those is harder

[lime zinc]

swog

[solemn sage]

where's the S come from

[dusk tundra]

yea why? shouldnt i? i used talis with abel since i started playing the game

[solemn sage]

you don't always use skillset

[tawdry hatch]

I'll swog u

[lime zinc]

I just like saying swog

[tawdry hatch]

ngl that sounds like a very australian term

[solid monolith]

no guys stop

they will come up with something worse than swag

this is how we got remjob

[solemn sage]

we need to get flaw on this

[lime zinc]

This is how zappy got a rem job

[solid monolith]

[tawdry hatch]

rem job good tho

[dusk tundra]

i wanna get my rem a job cuz she obviously useless in TS

[tawdry hatch]

she's a maid

I'd hire her

[dusk tundra]

she better start cleaning then

[solemn sage]

I mean could just make it wholesome and call them santa runs

[tawdry hatch]

she definitely keeps a death note in her pocket

[solemn sage]

santa's a miracle worker who gives gifts

[lime zinc]

Because we're getting coal for christmas

[dusk tundra]

christmas in 350 days bro what you on about

[tawdry hatch]

I'd take coal for christmas, coal is useful af

[cinder cargo]

I think skillset is optimal for people not whaling collections

[lime zinc]

Ok coal muncher

[cinder cargo]

Having an extra mythic guaranteed is like eh

[solemn sage]

skillset is sometimes important, sometimes not

[cinder cargo]

Just roll a better run

[dusk tundra]

how about this lol queue

[tawdry hatch]

I'll cook u over my coal fire pit

[cinder cargo]

Or better, just roll a three random L random

[solemn sage]

and I'm not just talking for whales

[cinder cargo]

That's true

But I don't think it's worth using gift and worker on a collection that only needs +1

Worker maybe

If it's insanely good, just card it

[solemn sage]

if the collection is trash without +1 but doesn't really need +2

[lime zinc]

Well you'd need lvl3 explore for using 3 L to matter anyway
Which is over a year away
Also Gift eats an M so lvl2 explore is basically just one M stat if you got none

[solemn sage]

you use worker + gift

e.g. cover

[astral hatch]

Many of my +1 are just failed +2

[cinder cargo]

Lol

[solemn sage]

also I'm just kinda done with skillset at this point

I've done six skillset+worker+gift runs

all +1s

[tawdry hatch]

W

[lime zinc]

It's only whales that can really afford the runs anyway

[cinder cargo]

[solemn sage]

the game isn't gonna give me +2s, I'd rather just use a third gold totem and card the +2

[cinder cargo]

I can as well

[tawdry hatch]

guys should I spice owl 12?

[cinder cargo]

[tawdry hatch]

would cost 4 spice

[lime zinc]

Yeah because you're a hidden whale

[astral hatch]

I’m saving my cards for the new wing of collections we’re getting soon-ish

[cinder cargo]

I don't think owl 12 does anything

[tawdry hatch]

ok good

[solemn sage]

yeah I haven't actually used any cards yet

[tawdry hatch]

I don't need to stress it then

[cinder cargo]

Ye that's smart

[astral hatch]

With any luck I’ll have two skill cards saved

[tawdry hatch]

but either way I'll put Owl back on WL

[solemn sage]

honestly I really should stop using gold totems entirely

until level 4 pass

[cinder cargo]

I won't get to lv 2 perk until next next wing

[solemn sage]

so I get double the cards

[cinder cargo]

[astral hatch]

L4 too expensive

[cinder cargo]

Save the swag runs

Trash L just spam them

[lime zinc]

Perk, JD confirming whale

[cinder cargo]

[cinder cargo]

Pity I mean

[solemn sage]

yeah I'm miles away from level 4 now that I know about this limitation

I was planning on just stockpiling a year of pass

but game won't let me

[tawdry hatch]

he's number one now

[lime zinc]

[tawdry hatch]

already panda 36

[cinder cargo]

I mean

Did you expect less from asulgard

[tawdry hatch]

no

I expected t5 again

[astral hatch]

A lot of people won’t run until just a few hours from the end when CN meta changes

[tawdry hatch]

but 1 atm

[astral hatch]

Rank 1 is just luck

That’s how I hit it the times I’ve hit it lol

[tawdry hatch]

he's higher than acchan atm

[solemn sage]

yeah most people don't go hard on retries until very end

[lime zinc]

Top ranks is just rng and spamming yeah

[tawdry hatch]

just hoping this can hold t50%

I don't expect it to, but it'll be nice if it does

[lime zinc]

Unless there's some kinda ultra specific collec based strat

[astral hatch]

Collections matter, maybe too much

[solemn sage]

it's not really a specific strat but more just being whale enough to have a tonne of +1/+2s

[astral hatch]

My account closed the gap on Kiasma pretty damn quickly with collections

I’ve spent enough to have level 2 perk, and Kiasma hasn’t spent in like half a year

[lime zinc]

Ah I meant like, if there was a gap between top krakens due to some super specific stats
But all the krakens will prob have a bunch of +1/+2s

[solemn sage]

RIP arty

[astral hatch]

Nah, it was Kevin

Arty wasn’t funding it

Well, Kevin and Eice

They stopped spending on it like in May

[solemn sage]

yeah but Arty quitting is why they stopped isn't it

[astral hatch]

No

That had nothing to do with Arty

Hell, I won three LCS after they quit spending

That account hadn’t won in ages

[tranquil crane]

S1x you're online

Would love your quick thoughts on this if possible

#collections message

[astral hatch]

Collections really changed the game pretty drastically

[astral hatch]

You only need 2 mythic CDA to cap it on Aathalia

And that’s past 60

[tranquil crane]

Now they just need to implement mode based collection choices so I won't have to take ATK collections off for Rift/AE/LC, and then put them back on for everything else 💀

[astral hatch]

Assuming you also 36/36

Mine has 66 CDA with just two mythic CDA

[tranquil crane]

Cheers. Do you think it's worth overcapping for LC, where a lot of key enemies have like 30-40 CDR?

[lime zinc]

Wait why is it bad in LC

[tranquil crane]

because it doesn't scale elder tree stats, which is most of your stat total at RC240

[lime zinc]

Oh it doesn't? I forgot that

[astral hatch]

It’s a bit of a crap shoot there. Sure, many enemies have CDR, but PP always works.

I took PP over a third CDA personally.

[lime zinc]

Yeah PP would just be safer

[tranquil crane]

For example: Ashemira at RC240 has 930k base HP, but gets 5.2m from elder tree

That makes sense. I was weighing that against just how impactful CDA is, but I guess it being a little more situational/more variables is unfortunate.

[lime zinc]

I forgot that collec didn't scale tree

[solemn sage]

yeah 240 RC with 200+ tree is pretty insane

[tranquil crane]

Thanks for the feedback

[solemn sage]

even at 360 it's still a massive chunk of your stats

[fresh yarrow]

decent for ashem? no totems just quick explore

[tranquil crane]

this is the equation that potatogate gave me the other day. I plugged it in for all the stats of a supermaxed Ashemira in LC and the values came out right

(Base HP * (1 + Coll%)) * (1 + Gear% + Sig% + Furn% + Tree% + Pet%) + (Base HP * (1 + Coll%) + TreeFlat) * Engrave% + (GearFlat + TreeFlat)

[thin ermine]

decent yeah dr hp mp f.atk all r good for ashem

[tranquil crane]

wait you mean literally no totems?

even f2p should be able to use at least blues every run

[fresh yarrow]

oh?

[astral hatch]

Yep

[tranquil crane]

are you buying the staffs from the daily store?

[fresh yarrow]

no i cant afford that

[tranquil crane]

collections have major impact, you will be hurting your account quite a lot 😦

[fresh yarrow]

ae is coming soon aswell, saving diamonds

[fresh yarrow]

well the system is shit but the stats are good so ill take this note down

[tranquil crane]

fair enough, hopefully you can figure out how to budget for it in the future.

[fresh yarrow]

also wtf i didnt know we got like 50 or so blues

which ones should i use 😮

wait is there only 3 blues

[tranquil crane]

you can use 3 totems per run. there are only 3 types of blues, so a 3 blue run is a common budget option

[solemn sage]

looks right, I had a stat calculator using actual numbers from game files back in the day but there hasn't been any decrypted jsons since pre-engravings

[fresh yarrow]

oh alright, will be using them all the time

damn why did i not notice that

idiot moment

[solemn sage]

the hard part to calculate is combat rating but thankfully martial modes just use your non-martial combat rating so you can adjust it there

[tranquil crane]

any chance you could update the stat calc and share it?

[solemn sage]

there's a ton of combat rating modifiers that don't show their values ingame so you can't really calculate it without decrypted files

[tame quiver]

Calculate this pls

[solemn sage]

it was just straight up using game jsons as a data source, and we haven't had access to them in years

[tranquil crane]

Damn

[fresh yarrow]

wtf blues are op

[tranquil crane]

is that for saf?

[fresh yarrow]

wtf

[astral hatch]

Nice

[tame quiver]

yeah saf, but on liberta rn until I can find him one

[tranquil crane]

Hot

[tame quiver]

Result from 3 upgrades

[solemn sage]

I'm honestly starting to suspect a weird RNG bug

where blues have higher mythic rates but only for erosion

[tranquil crane]

lmao

[solemn sage]

this was 3 blue run

[tranquil crane]

[astral hatch]

This was a three L totem run (pre patch)

[tame quiver]

Had a couple of those

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

yeah L totems that aren't worker/gift are pretty trash

[astral hatch]

Final descent is good. When it works.

[solemn sage]

honestly prefer quick battle to most L totems

[old fog]

all the runs i’ve done with L totems have had the worst stats possible

[astral hatch]

I hate the way the stat switched totems are design

[solemn sage]

though once I get 80 totems used then every triple L run is guarantee three mythic so that's nice I guess

[astral hatch]

The rate is miserable to the point of being useless

And instead of giving you a copy, you lose whatever dropped and it gets swapped

[solemn sage]

and when they do work they could just steal your skill +1

[astral hatch]

Yeah, that’s the worst part

[solemn sage]

I've used the ERR totem twice

[solemn sage]

once I got a no ERR, once I got a single yellow

[astral hatch]

I got one mythic ERR drop, and just kept copying it

[lime zinc]

Errrrr

[solemn sage]

meanwhile on blue runs

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

blue OP OP

[solemn sage]

and another blue run

[solid monolith]

i want to delete this out of principle

[thin ermine]

lol blue always keeps us happy. if u get bad ones its normal. if u get good ones its superb

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

I've never ever used a green stat

[solid monolith]

petition lilith to remove it from my account

i dont even want the diamonds

[thin ermine]

[solid monolith]

there was no option

[solemn sage]

oof

combined all your blues?

[tranquil crane]

isn't that very solid for ash? why want delet

[solid monolith]

cause its green

[thin ermine]

the green prob gets in zappy's eyes

[solid monolith]

i combined 3 blues near the start i think

idk how i ended up here to be honest

[solemn sage]

yeah unfortunately spell bondage +1 is just never worth deleting

even if it had no other stats

[solid monolith]

but yeah its on ashem now

[thin ermine]

[solid monolith]

im pretty sure i only did one combine that run though

[astral hatch]

Crazy thing is it stacks if you have multiple tanks

[solemn sage]

I kinda want to delete all my temporal covers

they're so trash without +1

and I fished for it way too much

[astral hatch]

Eh it can still work for Vei and Naro

Wait I’m thinking of timeline watch

[thin ermine]

way too much for sure

full of em

[solid monolith]

mine are like that too

and somehow i just keep thinking to try and fish for even more

[solemn sage]

funny part is

as soon as I gave up and starting going for other collections

[wise whale]

i have yet to get a good collection

[solemn sage]

I finally started getting +1s without gift

[thin ermine]

[wise whale]

i got this garbage

[thin ermine]

my best collection so far has 4M on it....and guess what....its a fang

[solemn sage]

I mean that's good

not great

but good

[thin ermine]

^^

[wise whale]

good for wat💀

[thin ermine]

dae

[solemn sage]

daemia or asaf

[wise whale]

it has one stat i want

[thin ermine]

asaf??? that a mage collection

[solemn sage]

oh right I always forget she's support

[thin ermine]

u think of saf prob lol

[wise whale]

is this better for dae?

[solid monolith]

its gonna be dae/mae

[thin ermine]

id do trish for this one

[solid monolith]

[thin ermine]

actually true

[solemn sage]

yeah dae/mae/emi are the mage erosion lovers

[thin ermine]

trish too

[fresh yarrow]

?

[solid monolith]

when are we getting a tank mage

im ready

[solemn sage]

trish benefits from it but it's not as huge a part of her kit as those 3

[thin ermine]

the last two slots r up to u. i like to pick pp mp

[thin ermine]

true

[fresh yarrow]

who benefits from pp

[solemn sage]

when we get tank mages they make them tank class

see: ashem and atalene

[solid monolith]

[solemn sage]

satrana is closest we've got

[fresh yarrow]

i dont really have pp heroes built

[thin ermine]

most agi class heroes

[astral hatch]

Leo and Baba Yaga already mage tanks

[fresh yarrow]

ill do it for mulan i guess

[astral hatch]

And Trish, if used with Edwin

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

dmg resist is useful on pretty much everyone though

I guess not so much on heroes with death cheats

or invulns

[solid monolith]

yeah i threw it on a random mage for ts

[radiant grotto]

Trish with Edwin?

[fresh yarrow]

accidentally pressed abandon on a tier upgrade. fuck.

[astral hatch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1osLHUoLjdI?si=pmFvQkE6DWSJ9Ocy

[radiant grotto]

I'll check, thanks

[lime zinc]

Isn't leo sust

[astral hatch]

Wrong Leo

The sus one is Leofuck

[lime zinc]

Wait who's the other leo

[radiant grotto]

the cooler leo, s1x

the floating one

[solid monolith]

leo davinci

leofric

need more leos

[radiant grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/rottmnt-movie-leonardo-hey-i-like-that-i-like-that-i-love-that-gif-26403735

[lime zinc]

I was so confused

[thin ermine]

leofric?

[lime zinc]

That's the only leo I could think of

[radiant grotto]

no, the floating one

[lime zinc]

LDV's first name is L wdym

[astral hatch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/wHih38YAryw?si=p4zoz3C60ZYA9_op

The good Leo

[thin ermine]

leonardo leo~

[astral hatch]

[lime zinc]

Elle Dee Vee

[thin ermine]

[lime zinc]

Secret name

[thin ermine]

is that how u pronounce ur L?

[lime zinc]

The name Elle is pronounced L

Although I think it's a woman's name

[astral hatch]

In Spanish it’s pronounced LL

[fresh yarrow]

El

or lllllll

[astral hatch]

LL

[fresh yarrow]

as in take the L

[lime zinc]

Pronounced like life leech

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

[fresh yarrow]

is armor stat useless

[thin ermine]

whaling ur choice ic

[lime zinc]

Go get a5 too

[thin ermine]

depends on hero. can be good if for specific heroes

most of the time yes

[fresh yarrow]

mulan?

[feral coral]

It can't get any worse

[thin ermine]

waste. no use

[thin ermine]

[fresh yarrow]

damn idk

[lime zinc]

Armor is for shields

[thin ermine]

[fresh yarrow]

[solemn sage]

Armor is pretty trash generally

[feral coral]

Maybe if I had dias

[lime zinc]

It's such a low number stat too

[solemn sage]

too many things delete or bypass shields now

[feral coral]

I want to quit already 🤧

[lime zinc]

I'd consider taking armour for Ivan but not much else

[solemn sage]

lucius though

[thin ermine]

[lime zinc]

Oh ig for Anoki then

[thin ermine]

who dat

[fresh yarrow]

idek

[solid monolith]

which throws me off cause in like every other game armor is about reducing physical damage

and yet in this game its about shields

[solemn sage]

we have PR

just not a collection stat

[thin ermine]

lilith w. their stats eh

[lime zinc]

We already have def and PR

[astral hatch]

I took it for Joan, cause fuck it, why not

[solid monolith]

okay

[fresh yarrow]

lilith moment

[solid monolith]

so they didnt have to use armor

call it LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE

[lime zinc]

They didn't

[solid monolith]

[fresh yarrow]

rate the drops

[lime zinc]

They didn't have to call buffer such a bad name either

[fresh yarrow]

skin damage

[solemn sage]

fun fact, internally there's two defense stats one for physical and one for magical damage

[thin ermine]

pp~

[solemn sage]

but they're always same value

[wise whale]

huge pp

[lime zinc]

Isn't that an artefact from the predecessor

[solemn sage]

yeah soul hunters had separate magic def and physical def

[lime zinc]

Or smth

Yeah Soul Hunters

[thin ermine]

purple pp. not big enough

[solemn sage]

and afk used its codebase

[fresh yarrow]

atk! would it do anything bad if i dropped one atk for pp

its mythic

pp is not mythic

[thin ermine]

id never drop red atk

[wise whale]

[fresh yarrow]

ah.

[astral hatch]

Heroes have 30 stats now. It’s madness.

Way too much.

[astral hatch]

They need to simplify.

[thin ermine]

and they still wanna add more like ....

[lime zinc]

The stats are really simple anyway, I'd rather have names for things than full sentences

[thin ermine]

i like it~

[astral hatch]

They’re planning to add 12 more stats through collections.

Absurd.

[fresh yarrow]

this is lowkey kinda fun with blue totems and sweep

[fresh yarrow]

i thought this was zelda

[thin ermine]

🤝

[solemn sage]

the main issue with all the stats is that some of them are just mostly ignored

[feral coral]

Keyword: blue totems

[solid monolith]

not really looking forward to "oh new collection released, have to remake one for 20 heroes" every few patches either

[solemn sage]

like they added magic efficency/suppression back during ainz domination

and then have barely used it since

aside from AE

[fresh yarrow]

[lime zinc]

It's on beasts but largely a factor you can't do anything about

[astral hatch]

RIP proficiency

Khazard should have been proficient AF

But for some reason he gives negative dissolve

So weird

[lime zinc]

It's negative dissolve because it amplifies debuff duration on enemies

[solemn sage]

proficiency only applies to you

negative dissolve benefits all your allies

[astral hatch]

Yeah but he can give his team proficiency

[lime zinc]

Instead of buffing the duration of debuffs applied by allies

[lime zinc]

I think it's because his stat was negative dissolve before it was called dissolve

[astral hatch]

There’s no reason it couldn’t have been “gives your whole team X proficiency”

[solid monolith]

i guess its nice if youre smart and can remember stuff but half the time i read prf or dissolve or suppression and have to go look it up cause i forgot which thing does what

[solemn sage]

I made a diss track

[solid monolith]

[lime zinc]

And it just became negative dissolve after it got named

[solemn sage]

yeah they just kept the effect as close to original as possible while using new stats

I want to try to make a full prf collection for morrow

or nem

[lime zinc]

I've got a PRF IS one on LDV

[solemn sage]

btw forget my suggestion of afk2 having simplified things

29 stats

[lime zinc]

They're just names anyway, you just read their description once and know what they mean

[thin ermine]

[astral hatch]

My god

[solemn sage]

afk has 30

so afk2 is only 1 behind and they're still in beta

[lime zinc]

Almost all of them are pretty obvious from name alone tbf

[astral hatch]

Attack, Defense, Accuracy, Dodge, Crit Damage, Crit Block

Job done

[solemn sage]

crit chance as well

[lime zinc]

There's only like 2 or 3 that I couldn't tell from name

[astral hatch]

Nah, fixed crit chance

Crit Block is when you crit a defend and take 1/2 damage

Crit Damage is when you crit an attack and do double damage

[lime zinc]

[solemn sage]

I like crit chance though

[astral hatch]

Make everything use accuracy

[solemn sage]

especially in games that let you go past 100% and have a chance for your crit to crit

[lime zinc]

I don't think there's anything wrong with having like 50+ stats anyway

[astral hatch]

I do when there’s literally no way to know exactly which stats affect which skill

[lime zinc]

It'll never get complicated when there's such a limited way to tweak stuff

[solemn sage]

yeah but that's an issue of design or descriptions, not an issue of having lots of stats

[lime zinc]

Oh that's true but that's more because they're never giving us qol and have no idea themself
That's not the stat's fault

[dusk tundra]

This TS weird

[solid monolith]

it just seems pointless cause most of them end up not very good or something that just happens with no input or way to increase it

[astral hatch]

We could have clearer definitions and solve it, or reduce stats because their skill description are already light novels these days

I’d rather just have fewer stats

[solemn sage]

yeah that's the main issue

stats that you can't actually meaningfully interact with

[tawdry hatch]

keep up

[lime zinc]

I'd still rather mechanics have a 1 word name than not though

Like AwShem S3's "caps damage of the next hit taken to X% of max HP" I'd rather it just be like 25% sanctuary or smth

[solemn sage]

eh

there's a balance

[astral hatch]

They could number and color code the stats, then at the top of a skill just show the list of numbers / colors so you know what stats are being used

[proven hearth]

this ts normal

[tawdry hatch]

@worthy rapids show him who's boss

[astral hatch]

Or just an info box ℹ️ that you can tap that lists all the stats used

[lime zinc]

Dynamic tooltips would be such a nice feature we'll never get

[solemn sage]

Shorter descriptions is nice but I'd prefer a very clear 2-3 word description over a single word that has no meaning without looking up what it does

[astral hatch]

Thing is they aren’t even clear in their native language

We have no chance in hell

[dusk tundra]

this round literally so random

[lime zinc]

Wdym, you just have to read it once

[tawdry hatch]

this round has been fairly normal for me ngl

I chose the hard path as well

[solemn sage]

and then memorize it

[solid monolith]

like how many of the stats do you actually notice the effect of in battle

[lime zinc]

Yeah? Don't you just memorise it after reading it once?

[solemn sage]

like "crit damage resistance" is preferable to me over them making some new word for it

I'd rather "cc duration" over "proficiency"

[lime zinc]

Well CDR has an abbreviation at least

[astral hatch]

Yeah descriptive names would be nice

[solemn sage]

though it does get a bit harder when you also have to come up with the short descriptive name for the inverse stat

[astral hatch]

I can’t follow what’s happening already

https://youtube.com/shorts/Sw_vfV1cmcA?si=b9zeF7O-vNvyJgHU

[solemn sage]

and I get that it's a way harder problem when the game has like 30 languages to translate into

making up a new word is easier

[astral hatch]

You’d think it wouldn’t be

Debuff Length is pretty straight forward

[solemn sage]

in english it is

in other languages that could be like 6 words

[lime zinc]

Idk how you'd even write 'debuff' itself in other languages

[astral hatch]

Yeah, but proficiency doesn’t mean debuff length in any language

A new word is jargon

[solemn sage]

yes that's the tradeoff

[lime zinc]

I don't have anything against jargon anyway

[thin ermine]

[lime zinc]

You could call every stat a different fruit name and I'd still find it fine (obviously it wouldn't make sense to do this)

[astral hatch]

I think if you have to explain it, then your new word has failed

[solemn sage]

you either do short descriptions and force translators to either be very creative or end up needing to use way more words, or you make up jargon and translators can just use a dictionary, but players have to learn the word

[thin ermine]

its beyond bad for translators

[lime zinc]

Oh, I've never thought about it that way
I've only ever thought about it as a nice way to shorten text and give things abbreviations

[solemn sage]

the simple fact is when you get into 30+ stats you kinda run out of unambiguous single words

[astral hatch]

More words it is

[solemn sage]

or less stats

[astral hatch]

I’d rather have 2-3 words than a single jargon words

[solemn sage]

[astral hatch]

[thin ermine]

[radiant grotto]

Oh, I've never thought about it that way
Cero the better UX guy confirmed

[lime zinc]

I couldn't care less what the name is in the end

[astral hatch]

Thank you for coming to our Ted talk

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

when you're very into one game, a lot of jargon is whatever

when you're kinda into dozens of games it's a way bigger problem

[lime zinc]

Well yeah I'm only thinking about things from my own perspective that I'll never forget a description after reading it once

[solemn sage]

especially when there's overlap that has different meanings

like armor

[radiant grotto]

where's the empathy, s1x? Think of the children

[lime zinc]

I'm used to things meaning different things in games to begin with

[radiant grotto]

[thin ermine]

[radiant grotto]

[solemn sage]

you also are the kind of afk arena player that makes spreadsheets and has a general idea in your head of every single hero's kit

[fair rapids]

My RNG for r1 In Cr is 8
7.3B-21.3B

[lime zinc]

I knew every kit before the spreadsheets but yeah

[solemn sage]

most players are a lot more casual

[lime zinc]

I learn like every hero's kit the day I start playing a game

[fair rapids]

Reading boring just swipe

[lime zinc]

I mean, would only take like 20mins

[solemn sage]

???

[lime zinc]

Just read each skill once and done

[fair rapids]

Idek what last 4 heores do

[thin ermine]

[astral hatch]

I read them when they’re shared from test server

And then usually never again

[solid monolith]

six

[lofty zealot]

seven

[thin ermine]

i read them when i craft collections for em. as well as when perps and s1x write up the tldr

[lime zinc]

Eight

[fair rapids]

Nine

[solid monolith]

every time i make a collection i have to look up a stat

[radiant grotto]

nine

[thin ermine]

nice

[astral hatch]

X

[thin ermine]

[lofty zealot]

once

[solemn sage]

there's 152 heroes that each have 4 skills, SI, furniture, and engraves

[solid monolith]

cause i forgot what a stat does

[lime zinc]

Æ

[fair rapids]

12th

[solemn sage]

have fun reading them all in 20 minutes

[radiant grotto]

cheating

[thin ermine]

no more spam

[lime zinc]

[solid monolith]

every time

[fair rapids]

Neva Neva

[solemn sage]

and most of the past 2 years of heroes have a solid 500 words for each skill

[lofty zealot]

people talking about collections in the scramble channel, everything for the past 30 minutes has been spam

[lime zinc]

I didn't mean afk
Meant like new gacha or equivalent

[tawdry hatch]

zappy noob confirmed

[fair rapids]

Nu uh

That's scrumble things

[thin ermine]

u k what im talking abt

i finally am in ch52 but s1x abt to leave ic

[solemn sage]

zappy can't remember stat effects his brain is too full of bok spam

[fair rapids]

[lime zinc]

My memory doesn't matter anyway, my point was just that I'm going to care about my own concerns first

[thin ermine]

[radiant grotto]

[solemn sage]

how about a compromise

[fair rapids]

[thin ermine]

potato as well

[astral hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[thin ermine]

[lime zinc]

The bok one is burried deep in my ss folder

[fair rapids]

I Miss tato in os

[solemn sage]

if you can't come up with a simple name for a stat that makes its effect clear to the reader

don't add that stat

[fair rapids]

[fair rapids]

Dissolve

[lime zinc]

Oh, I do think it's better to be clear
Just that I personally don't care

If that makes sense

[solemn sage]

Debuff protection

[fair rapids]

Perf

[thin ermine]

[fair rapids]

[lime zinc]

Perpficiency

[fair rapids]

[solemn sage]

well not really since that's ambiguous with TY

[fair rapids]

True

[indigo quail]

Have pandragon used in CR/NC yet?

[solemn sage]

unambiguous descriptive names for IS/TY/PRF/DISS would be 3 words each probably

[lime zinc]

Rename ty to cc resist

[fair rapids]

?

[astral hatch]

He’s gone from the meta

[indigo quail]

[lime zinc]

TY isn't for debuffs anyway, it's CCs only

[tawdry hatch]

TY is IS's opposite

[fair rapids]

Wtf a pandragon

[astral hatch]

Arthur obv

[tawdry hatch]

u, but LGTB

[thin ermine]

panda better for r6 this round iirc

[fair rapids]

[lime zinc]

Get in the fking pan dragon 🥘

[solemn sage]

yeah that's the extra weird part with those stats

[fair rapids]

I don't want to be dragon soup

[solemn sage]

prf/diss affect debuffs but also a lot of CC

[tawdry hatch]

Pencilgon

[solemn sage]

IS/TY don't affect debuffs

[fair rapids]

@solid monolith is this how you became soup

[tawdry hatch]

diff piss 💀

[fair rapids]

[lime zinc]

CC are a type of debuff

[tawdry hatch]

game classifies them differently six

[solemn sage]

but not all CC is affected by prf/diss

[indigo quail]

[lime zinc]

Movement CCs are the weird ones yeah

But that's more movement CCs being weird rather than CC itself

[fair rapids]

Panda in r5 cr

[thin ermine]

[fair rapids]

Instead of fox

[indigo quail]

Thanks pandadadadadadadadas

[thin ermine]

ohhh nice~

[thin ermine]

[fair rapids]

More consistent for me

[lime zinc]

And also just the byproduct of bad descriptions

[solemn sage]

IS: CC accuracy
TY: CC dodge
PRF: Applied CC duration
DISS: Received CC duration

[fair rapids]

What's accuracy?

[solid monolith]

yes

[lime zinc]

I mean, it'd just be CCA, CCD, ACD, RCD anyway

[astral hatch]

The opposite of the FakeNews stat

[solemn sage]

yes and I'd prefer that over the current names

[fair rapids]

[fair rapids]

Ic ig I'm soup now

[solemn sage]

well I guess replace CC with debuff in PRF/DISS description

[fair rapids]

[solemn sage]

so ADD/RDD

congrats you all have ADD now

[lime zinc]

[thin ermine]

[fair rapids]

Bro my brain ain't brainingn

[astral hatch]

Can’t catch what I already have

[fair rapids]

To many letters

[thin ermine]

noob brain did not comprehend anything. and thats fine

[solemn sage]

here's a more fun idea

stop making work for translators

just name everything with emoji

[astral hatch]

Let’s make caramel apples

[astral hatch]

I legit suggested this exact thing

[thin ermine]

[astral hatch]

With mock-ups

[lime zinc]

Return to my idea of every stat being fruit

"Holy shit I just got a 3 M 🍎 collection"

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

aight thats funny lol

[lime zinc]

Sorry dude but that hero needs 🍐

[thin ermine]

[tawdry hatch]

nah ur account is wayyy to old, 🍇 isn't used anymore

[fair rapids]

[thin ermine]

[tawdry hatch]

just restart and aim for 🍓 this time

[thin ermine]

tf lol fruit arena

[solemn sage]

emoji variable names in programming are fun

[tawdry hatch]

like fruit ninja but gacha

[solemn sage]

when you want to make a teacher mad

[lime zinc]

🍍 is a damage type, only a couple heroes use it like Lib and AwSaf

[thin ermine]

[tawdry hatch]

no way that got deleted

[fair rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[tawdry hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

[thin ermine]

[fair rapids]

I deleted it

There was no dragon fruit emoji

[fair rapids]

[thin ermine]

tf

lol

[fair rapids]

It would be easier

[tawdry hatch]

some people wanna watch the world burn

[fair rapids]

If they just told me I need 5 pineapples and a strawberry

[lime zinc]

When life gives you pineapples, make pineapple energy drink

[thin ermine]

back to elementary

emergy~

[tawdry hatch]

short for emergent

[lime zinc]

I need to cut my nails, they're fucking with my typing again

[thin ermine]

[lofty zealot]

alert, alert

this is an emergen-t

[thin ermine]

or u got fat fingers like me. cant cut fat fingers

[tawdry hatch]

sir that's not what an emergent is

[thin ermine]

[tawdry hatch]

[lime zinc]

It'd be weird if I had fat fingers while being super underweight

[tawdry hatch]

I mean technically speaking....

[lime zinc]

Emergen-T sounds like it'd be an ice tea brand

[thin ermine]

underweight......

[astral hatch]

Emergen-T sounds like smelling salts for the Royal Family when they get too close to poor people and pass out from the exposure

[lime zinc]

[thin ermine]

[lime zinc]

I need some of those

[astral hatch]

Poors? They’re everywhere

Just search here for “F2Pbtw”

[lime zinc]

[astral hatch]

[tawdry hatch]

somebody put spikes on the benches

[rare grove]

I'm f2p

[tawdry hatch]

for now

[manic jungle]

I’m P2L

[lime zinc]

Can't believe krimo said it nearly 1.5k times

[rare grove]

Since last year

[tawdry hatch]

it's all rigged

[solemn sage]

emergen-tree

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

taking this out of context is actually funny

[fair rapids]

Real

[fair rapids]

[thin ermine]

[fair rapids]

[polar dune]

last time i listen to mfker here

[fair rapids]

Same panda falling off will j lied to me

[polar dune]

someone is gonna tell e80 lavatune

[fair rapids]

Ain't p4 lava better

[polar dune]

I was fking told by someone that it fk with the haste

[solid monolith]

e80 jerma

[fair rapids]

Hmm

[polar dune]

HERE AS WELl

FK

[fair rapids]

Who

[indigo quail]

prob dragon636 or someone like that

[thin ermine]

[fair rapids]

Someone told me Abel p4 was the way

But lava p4 did better

erinasaki1802 using the numbers too

[solid monolith]

does only 50 battles tell the whole story

[polar dune]

yeah idk dragon

its a lot of discussion about lava p4 is bad

i think its fine but i might as well try p3 and what not

[thin ermine]

im trying p3 as well feels like battle rng but cant tell yet

[solid monolith]

whats the reason behind p4 lava

[dawn tinsel]

Huh what? Maybe I missed both of these things… What code? What event exchange?

[thin ermine]

the current event. u can exchange for 450pts (its in the red chest). code is don2024

[lime zinc]

Was new years code but yeah code

Or ig don code is a thing itself

[proven hearth]

funsies

[dawn tinsel]

Oh wow didn’t notice either of these things… doubt I’ll get that copy now.

[solid monolith]

i didnt know if it was for a specific thing or just cause it magically performed better

[fair rapids]

Don 2024 should still be active

[solid monolith]

yeah, until end of jan

[fair rapids]

Sadly I missed the Xmas code

Expired in 2 days after xmas

Smh

[solid monolith]

[tawdry hatch]

real

[rare grove]

Oh free celepo on new event

[fair rapids]

Not lava tho

Or recent heores

[radiant grotto]

Newest one available is dae

[tawdry hatch]

not any from last 6 months

[rare grove]

Interesting

[tawdry hatch]

guess I'm building vei

[fair rapids]

I'ma grab ezizh

[rare grove]

I'll grab a copy of 1lene

[fair rapids]

I feel like alot of ppl will do that or maybe twins /dae

[tame quiver]

It needs lyca to work in 4 team environment

[old fog]

can i get orthros

[fair rapids]

Gavus p2 with jero p1?

Wyca Abel lava?

[tawdry hatch]

oh actually twins sounds good, or khaz or mortas

[tawdry hatch]

I got him in unlimited xD

[tame quiver]

Let me check my stats

[fair rapids]

Stuff u need to work to M for Cr

[tawdry hatch]

yep

[tame quiver]

Wrong actually - doesnt need lyca for 4 team

Just need proper pos

[fair rapids]

Lava p4? Or Abel p4

[tame quiver]

Rem-Abel-Aathalia should be tied with ashem higher wr

Abel p5 always

[fair rapids]

[tawdry hatch]

Im a p3 enjoyer

p4 atm cos no Palmer

[fair rapids]

I tried p4 and it did bad

[tawdry hatch]

imagine

same

[old fog]

i got lava ashem and couldn’t be bothered to pull more

[tawdry hatch]

need Gavus p4 ig

should I rotate Ivan, ABel, Gavus clockwise once?

[fair rapids]

I was using thoran cheese then realized I'm a whale I don't need that

[rich wraith]

such cheap comp

[fair rapids]

What's clock wise

[tawdry hatch]

now that it has Ivan it's getting more expensive smh

[fair rapids]

[tawdry hatch]

istg I will put u in a hessian sack with ferrets and throw u in the river

[fair rapids]

[rich wraith]

whats left and right