treasure-scramble

[thin ermine]

old region/new region/guide makers/dolphins/whales/pros etc.

[tender arch]

also @indigo quail

[tender arch]

following someone before ts starts dosent help me

[copper sphinx]

True reason is that I just miss a lot core units

[dawn tinsel]

Got a good Armor run with Lvl+1. Suggestions for engraving? Plan to use for wonder a Waden or Wyca.

[copper sphinx]

I'm super late on furns I feel like

[thin ermine]

slow and steady no rush

[indigo quail]

you have few days

[copper sphinx]

Engraving I'm not TOO Bad but a bit late

But furns it's so over

[indigo quail]

smh just copy acchan

[tender arch]

[indigo quail]

[tender arch]

but like wtf is this

what do people do in this game

[copper sphinx]

What is that

[tender arch]

dont ask me

[copper sphinx]

I'm calling an exorcist

[tender arch]

i copy

[thin ermine]

[tender arch]

rock?

what pet would i use here?

[worldly belfry]

t1-t3 is fake though

[worthy rapids]

rcl

[worldly belfry]

t4-t5 what natters

[tender arch]

its literally a test run

thats what im using it for

so i can see whats good or not

what should i try for T2?

[dawn tinsel]

Suggestions? +1 run is rare, so want to get this right 😅 Thinking PP, PP, IS and F. Heal, Def, HP, and use on Waden. Not sure if F. Buffer is helpful at all…

[tender arch]

also should i e60 rem?

[worldly belfry]

not yet

[indigo quail]

where is ur ashemira

[worldly belfry]

he built whyca instead

[indigo quail]

2t

[tender arch]

ashem aint on there

[worthy rapids]

fuuuuuuuuuck

[olive moat]

it takes way too many clicks to start a dismal lab run

5 clicks

its ridiculous

get me in after 2 clicks max

[worthy rapids]

are you sure you want to try dismal lab? its very difficult

[copper sphinx]

It takes too long to do dismal

Should be insta swipe

[tender arch]

surely i can make a second team just off of this ss

[worthy rapids]

Just do rem job and normal burst

[tender arch]

idk what normal bust inquires

[worthy rapids]

Awthalia vei and shit

[tender arch]

i see. this is pretty good looking team

[mossy bridge]

gonna do a purp totem run today fuck it+

qb, ee and gg

[solid monolith]

good luck

[mossy bridge]

tyyyy

[tiny lily]

Why’s the game restricting me from challenging 1st place

[worthy rapids]

you have to be in top3

[tiny lily]

Alrighty then, have a nice day

[tender arch]

@worthy rapids idk what else to put in that burst team

[mossy bridge]

ugh, qb + ee + gg run

[olive moat]

are there any tanks that can use erosion

[mossy bridge]

only 1 mythic

[mossy bridge]

bro i was gonna ask the same thing

naroko ig

[tender arch]

@worldly belfry helppppp. whats a burst team consist of

[mossy bridge]

i think naroko is actually the only non-terrible one that uses erosion

[solid monolith]

mezoth

[worldly belfry]

Use Lyca, Veithael, Tamrus, Awthalia, eorin

[solid monolith]

[olive moat]

naroko has life loss?

[mossy bridge]

yeah in her S2

[worldly belfry]

or do Mae instead of eorin?

[tender arch]

ill do this. eorins a bit less invested. tamtam is also small. 203

[worldly belfry]

[mossy bridge]

ok i dont hate this actually. feels like it'll be a good +0 collection for some random tank later on

[tender arch]

will tam still make do?

[cinder cargo]

What the heck going on here

[worldly belfry]

yah prob, u in r44

[cinder cargo]

I don't understand campaign at all anymore

[queen crystal]

damn I got a skill up in one of my first runs without realising

[cinder cargo]

Literally random bs go can win

[tender arch]

@worldly belfry and pet? i assume lion?

[worldly belfry]

owl

[tender arch]

oh

ok T2 set

[glad plank]

Slap your 7 wokes together and you'll be fine.

[tender arch]

8*

[lime zinc]

[glad plank]

Counting is too hard for me

[indigo quail]

Mae front lyca back

[tender arch]

[solemn sage]

random bs go doesn't win

random bs fox does

[olive moat]

Kind of an unfocused one. Cool to get an m err without the totem

[mossy bridge]

damn nice

what totems?

[wise whale]

@thin ermine highest I’ve evr hit

[worthy rapids]

i think i found my vei collection

[olive moat]

Plunder aa gg

[mossy bridge]

nice nice

the classic Plag run

[mossy bridge]

damnnnn nice

[olive moat]

Ran out of qb no qbag for me

[mossy bridge]

i did qbeg

[olive moat]

Although in all my plunders and qbs. I still haven't hit a mythic at the end

[mossy bridge]

yes me neither

what if u cant get them

then they're dogshit

[olive moat]

I kind of wonder if there's like. A different set of probabilities for plunder and qb

And they adjust those probabilities based on floor so its not straight up lying

[mossy bridge]

it says it depends on the floor, but doesnt say if it depends in the same way i guess

[olive moat]

But it's not the same set as the floor fight drops

[wise whale]

Jus stack energy shi and Abel go BRRRRRR

[mossy bridge]

ill ask support though they'll just bullshit me

[olive moat]

They'll say "we can't share that information"

[mossy bridge]

[indigo quail]

ask linda

[olive moat]

they'll get around to you

[radiant grotto]

they took like 2~3h to reply back to me when I had this, so likely be prepared to wait a bit

[olive moat]

ok kraken

[dusk tundra]

[indigo quail]

no u vip 17

[olive moat]

imagine having access to belinda

seems kraken to me

[mossy bridge]

who's belinda

[radiant grotto]

support for VIP14 people, I think

[olive moat]

24h seconds

[mossy bridge]

btw I've removed and replaced collections, just pressed confirm, and it didnt charge me any diamonds

[radiant grotto]

[mossy bridge]

so its either bugged or they removed it but forgot to remove the message

like i've put them on other heroes and it didnt charge me

[worthy rapids]

[radiant grotto]

same time lol

[mossy bridge]

im gonna be a snitch and post it on bug reports (jk)

[olive moat]

it charged me

[mossy bridge]

[olive moat]

you owe me 100 diamonds

[mossy bridge]

i did it from within a battle

[radiant grotto]

damn, now charge 100 diamonds out of gabi

[mossy bridge]

maybe it doesnt charge u in battles?

[solid monolith]

why wouldnt it charge you

[radiant grotto]

[solid monolith]

[mossy bridge]

idk but it didnt

[dawn tinsel]

I'll have Jerome 203e3x soon - is he worth giving si30 immediately, or better to save for Lavatune / future heroes?

[mossy bridge]

i had 42,313 diamonds and now i have 42,313 diamonds

[solid monolith]

did you equip another collection?

[mossy bridge]

yup

[radiant grotto]

potato, lose 100 more diamonds there for science

[solid monolith]

do it again

[radiant grotto]

[mossy bridge]

ok

[solid monolith]

[proven night]

it wouldn't charge for equiping arti
only charge when re-equip collection

[worthy rapids]

before

[olive moat]

it charged me again

[solid monolith]

frog going to wake up tomorrow with -100k diamonds

[mossy bridge]

it did not charge me

[worthy rapids]

after

[solid monolith]

[olive moat]

frog owes me 200 diamonds

[little cairn]

My girl sonja

[mossy bridge]

[radiant grotto]

[worthy rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-button-keyboard-press-the-ban-button-gif-16387934

[mossy bridge]

its straight up not charging me lmao

this time I did it from hero page

[dawn tinsel]

Do you have Robin Hood? He may collecting from you and paying for @mossy bridge ...

[solid monolith]

frog is just trolling everyone in chat, trying to gain an advantage 100 diamonds at a time

[mossy bridge]

u got me

[radiant grotto]

[solid monolith]

you think i dont see your game

[mossy bridge]

should i screen record

or am i gonna get banned

[radiant grotto]

was going to suggest that, yeah

[solid monolith]

why would you get banned

[radiant grotto]

and why would you be banned lol

[solid monolith]

why do you keep thinking doing basic things will get you banned

[olive moat]

you won't get banned for anything

[radiant grotto]

zappy, can I post emojis?

or will I get banned?

[olive moat]

except typing the letter e

that'll get you instabanned

[mossy bridge]

trauma from getting banned on runescape back in the day

[edgy moss]

Ban!!!!

[worldly belfry]

if you do acidic things, u might get banned

[dawn tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/right-to-gif-26324056

[radiant grotto]

damn, that 1 is rough, will try to follow it through as of this post

[radiant grotto]

didn't post any, pfft

anyway, back to it

[mossy bridge]

ok im gonna try to screen record it

[mossy bridge]

IT CHARGED ME

hasdgjkashdgkjsdah

[proven night]

anyone got the orthros collection +1?
i wonder if i will find AShem got a free kill on PvP with this collection

[mossy bridge]

wtf is going on

[radiant grotto]

[mossy bridge]

this was all a ruse to steal ur diamonds

jk it actually didnt charge me earlier, there's a bug somewhere

[radiant grotto]

working as usual

[olive moat]

so ig we should be putting exactly one frontline might cover hero on teams which have might heroes, but not two

means that alna is not gonna want cover

[worthy rapids]

dafuq

why

one

[mossy bridge]

ok i made it not charge me

[lime zinc]

Well that'd only be if Rem was using Cover too

[mossy bridge]

ill send vid now

[radiant grotto]

curious about it

[dawn tinsel]

Why?

[olive moat]

cover in theory should disrupt alna no matter who it hits. if it hits alna, then rem can get oneshot and die before alna enters and casts. if it hits rem, then alna can cast before rem enters and so rem doesn't get invuln. if you run cover on both frontline, then they both get delayed and alna casts on rem just fine

[mossy bridge]

look it didnt charge me im not crazy

[cinder cargo]

pve is actually wild now

have no idea what is going on anymore

[olive moat]

its not linked to the collection

[worthy rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-20411229

[olive moat]

the charge is on the hero

[mossy bridge]

oh

rip ur diamonds

[olive moat]

if u try to equip again to raku it'll charge you

[mossy bridge]

yeah makes sense why it charged me before then

whoopsie

[worthy rapids]

how to get 38935-37553 dust?

[olive moat]

you cost pizza 10% of their diamonds

[mossy bridge]

[solemn sage]

diamond dust from store

[olive moat]

refresh shop 3 more times

[worthy rapids]

i bought it first time ever

[lime zinc]

Tfw there's 1 purple I have 0 copies of...

[olive moat]

ok but why

[radiant grotto]

Arena tickets

[olive moat]

tfw the one you're missing is the best one

[worthy rapids]

ohhhhhhhhh arena

[cinder cargo]

I mean that perk is not that good

[lime zinc]

Yup

[worthy rapids]

bless rng

[cinder cargo]

I got 0 +1s out of 3 runs with it

[radiant grotto]

yeah, 1.4k is chill in there 🫡

[olive moat]

skill issue

[lime zinc]

Yup

[olive moat]

literally

[woeful plume]

guys liberta is a magic dmg dealer right?

[olive moat]

the issue is you have no +1 skills

[woeful plume]

just makn sure

[cinder cargo]

[worthy rapids]

yes but no

[lime zinc]

^

[olive moat]

real

[woeful plume]

okay MP or ATK?

[olive moat]

erosion

[worthy rapids]

heal

[cinder cargo]

smh when are people going to stop doing this 4 hero no pet cringe

[woeful plume]

💀

[cinder cargo]

like dude, literally no one cares

[solemn sage]

gotta combo it with miracle worker

+200% chance

[radiant grotto]

you seem to care, JD

[cinder cargo]

oh really?

[radiant grotto]

[solemn sage]

I get it for towers

[cinder cargo]

:rkau

[olive moat]

bert's blessing orbs scale off his atk so i think i would pref atk

[cinder cargo]

ye

towers at least your replay stays

[solemn sage]

in towers your minpower replays lasts until someone can do it even lower power at same difficulty

[cinder cargo]

campaign it just gets washed 3 days later

[solemn sage]

yeah so pointless

[cinder cargo]

it's actually so annoying

[solemn sage]

but also

JD needs to stop doing RNG thoran cheeses in multis

[wise whale]

I caved

[cinder cargo]

wdym

I barely do any

[solemn sage]

56-32 cheese isn't working for me

[rich wraith]

10 days

[cinder cargo]

what why???

[wise whale]

[rich wraith]

you waited for a whole month but not the last 10

[cinder cargo]

ban

[wise whale]

Spent all my resources

[cinder cargo]

oh

[woeful plume]

whenever I think I lack self control, its good to see people like you exist.

🙏

[cinder cargo]

is he even that good though

[olive moat]

dude why

[wise whale]

I spent my resources

[olive moat]

what does that mean

[wise whale]

Saw him in Shem comp

[cinder cargo]

robin is the first dim I feel like might not be worth the exchange for new players

[wise whale]

I’m out so I said fuck it n bought him

[olive moat]

out of what? brain cells?

[cinder cargo]

he spent his coins

can't get it back in time

[wise whale]

It doesn’t affect me

New addition to Shem comp when he’s done so win win

[olive moat]

except for your wallet

and reputation

ig both were at zero already

[wise whale]

Wallet isn’t harmed at all

[cinder cargo]

I mean I guess it doesn't really matter

if you can afford it

[rich wraith]

arent there coins deals

[cinder cargo]

no

[rich wraith]

the $25 ones

[olive moat]

the raine ones

[cinder cargo]

literally if you are 1 coin off you need to buy the hero whole

[olive moat]

no

there are coin deals jd

[cinder cargo]

?

[olive moat]

they're pop ups

[cinder cargo]

wait what

since when

[olive moat]

you trigger them by clicking the exchange button in the garrison tab

since forever

[cinder cargo]

oh

[wise whale]

[solemn sage]

yeah garrison deals

infinite money glitch

[native sundial]

Do you guys buy the green juices from store ?

[olive moat]

what are green juices

[solemn sage]

arcane staffs

[olive moat]

you mean staffs?

[solemn sage]

I buy them

[olive moat]

i buy them

[cinder cargo]

whales

[olive moat]

jinx

[wise whale]

If I knew that existed I woulda bought that

[sour jay]

i don't buy them, fuck that shit

[cinder cargo]

I don't think it's worth for low spenders for the time being

I bought them once

[native sundial]

900 diamons for em per day ?

[cinder cargo]

but it feels very expensive and very minimal impact

[wise whale]

Saf and lava boi will also be done soon so huge additions

[olive moat]

30600 diamonds for a swag run

its not cheap

[wise whale]

18 res also around the corner

[cinder cargo]

you should only buy them if you have enough diamonds to cover HCP and sg, and are buying the arcane staff card

[sour jay]

kitteh's spirit is in the right place even if their brain isn't #classic-suggestions message

[mossy bridge]

im a staff buyer for life

i have 9 staffs that i otherwise wouldnt have

[rich wraith]

f2p spirit goes hard

[sour jay]

nice you got 9 blue totems I don't have

how does it feel to be so rich

[mossy bridge]

incredible. those 9 blue totems are all plunders, and each one of those plunders will give me 2 mythic stats

so its basically 18 mythic stats for the lowly price of 2700 diamonds

[worthy rapids]

pit master op

[sour jay]

except on that run you got trash heros and no upgrades

[olive moat]

lets do the classic how much is equivalent to 1 celehypo

[sour jay]

so in fact you get nothing form 2700 diamonds

[solemn sage]

meanwhile

[worthy rapids]

[worldly belfry]

right, and u got 5 mythic pp from a collection u r supposed to get mp

[rich wraith]

???

[mossy bridge]

[worthy rapids]

6 more

[sour jay]

we're twins

[worldly belfry]

joux is gonna be jelly pizza

[sour jay]

no I have the exact same amount as him lol

[wise whale]

mines m30

[sour jay]

i'll be jelly if he's finished first

[mossy bridge]

why is everyone building larvadung he sucks

[worldly belfry]

damn, i don't have a y

[worthy rapids]

wanted dust, got dust and one lava

arena op

[rich wraith]

we're building lavatune already ? hes that good ??

[mossy bridge]

terrible. worst hero in the game. not op at all.

[sour jay]

I'm simping, idk what pizza is doing

[wise whale]

Mine will be done soon enough yes

[sour jay]

but he does seem op

asulgard killed cr round 2 in 15 seconds

[olive moat]

30.6k diamonds for swag run. 320k diamonds for a celepog. we'll say that you get 14k diamonds of value back from dust and other stuff you get from pulls. so we'll equate the cost of an A1 celepog to 10 swag runs. you won't hit on all swag runs. I'm 1 for 2, but the miss is still ok. so we'll say you get 5 hits and 5 misses. so 5 +2 collections and 5 +1 collections are equivalent to 1 A1 celepo. that's the rate you accept when you buy staffs

[wise whale]

New artifacts go crazy too game modes r gonna be another level now

[sour jay]

I'll keep gazing, thanks

[queen crystal]

wow didn’t know that was possible in cr

[sour jay]

well, there's a dmg cap for each round

it'll go up now with collections + new op hero

[solemn sage]

1.4k diamonds is massive underestimation

[olive moat]

sorry i changed it

14k

fuck i dan't do math today

whatever makes the math easier

[sour jay]

doesn't make much difference

[solemn sage]

I generally get like 100k dust when I pull a new celepo from scratch

plus a bunch of faction cards

[mossy bridge]

my mentality is that if im gonna buy store bait, I might as well buy store staffs as well, because my celehypo building speed will be too slow anyways

[worthy rapids]

wasnt enough even for one floor

[sour jay]

do you even generate that much diamonds

[mossy bridge]

i do 200d store refreshes too

spend like 2.9k diamonds a day

[olive moat]

diamond mining

[sour jay]

buying raw diamonds or some shit

[solemn sage]

Personally I don't assign diamond value to a celepo

[mossy bridge]

nah I have like 40k saved up from before the creep came out, and I'll buy tuna if needed, or readjust later

[solemn sage]

because I don't spend diamonds on celepos

[sour jay]

since every celepogean is just going to break the meta again and again I think not diamond gazing is wack

except for whale ofc

[olive moat]

i think scamgazing is super dead

[solemn sage]

I obtain every new celepo with gazers

[olive moat]

you're still catching up so its an issue

[solemn sage]

only time I've needed to spend diamonds on them was libcilla double release

[olive moat]

but like jd can get like 3/4 celepo a year with just gazers

[mossy bridge]

i think diamond gazing is wack for the exact same thing. If u spend 300k diamonds on like daemia or something, maybe she's out of the game in a year, but you'll still have your collections

[olive moat]

maybe more than that

[lime zinc]

JD does get lucky though

[olive moat]

@cinder cargo how many celepo can you get with just gazers a year

[sour jay]

if I wasn't diamondgazing I'd be missing like every other celepo. missing half the meta is going to be more impactful than what quite frankly looks like mild gains from having better collections

[solemn sage]

buffer/erosion legendary

oof

[olive moat]

gross

[mossy bridge]

that one is ass

[solid monolith]

you guys are circling back to being crammers

[sour jay]

no I diamond gaze not cram

[lime zinc]

[olive moat]

i asked them to remove the stat reroll gold totems from the pool in my feedback message

staff cramming

[mossy bridge]

lmfao i thought about this yesterday i'm basically cramming 2.0

[olive moat]

so hot right now

[solemn sage]

I don't diamond gaze, I do partially cram because I have excess diamonds but I'm probably gonna stop doing that with saffs

and I HCP

[sour jay]

yeah if you whale enough to keep up with sgs, congrats

[olive moat]

hcping feels so bad

[sour jay]

maybe one day I can get sg from CR and I'll change my mind

[olive moat]

im glad simona seems to suck

if i had to hcp her i would literally die

[sour jay]

otoh I didn't hcp jerome and now I big regret it

[solemn sage]

having every new 4F feels great

[olive moat]

idk how im going to afford staffs + bait + hcp

[mossy bridge]

my jerome is still M+

[lime zinc]

I get them from CR but it's nowhere near enough to fully build stuff yet

[worthy rapids]

[mossy bridge]

🤝

[sour jay]

mine is still E+ with just those two copies

he won't come to me

[worthy rapids]

where tf did these walkers come from

[sour jay]

you hcp walker

[solid monolith]

im still debating staffs

[lime zinc]

Admittedly my CR sucks, but top 20% still gets a couple SGs

[olive moat]

you're only t20%?

[mossy bridge]

im buying them at least until they release some other way to get them

[solid monolith]

and by debating i mean im waiting for someone to tell me to buy them

[sour jay]

don't buy them zappy

[solid monolith]

[lime zinc]

Missing AWs and beasts every CR

[mossy bridge]

buy them zappy

[olive moat]

i'm on the verge of passing six in cr it seems

[sour jay]

trust me I have many degrees

very smart

[olive moat]

all it took was doubling up on awakened

[mossy bridge]

trust me i have no degrees and i dropped out of school

very peanut brain

[lime zinc]

It'd be weird if people here didn't pass me

[sour jay]

that's the smarter move ngl

fuck school fuck degrees

[indigo quail]

cdr or ty for waden?

[olive moat]

trust me zappy i took an internet iq test and got a B-

maybe cdr

don't think enemies in cr gain is

[indigo quail]

[olive moat]

waden sucks in ts anyway

they might gain cda

bob probably knows

generally i think ty is better

[lime zinc]

My gut is saying

• They're not worth right now
• People will buy them anyway
• They'll get buffed and people who didn't buy them will be sad

[solid monolith]

meh i dont feel like gazing woke stars, theres not that many things to do with diamonds anymore

[olive moat]

well even if they get buffed

[rich wraith]

did lilith ever reduce the price of red cores in the store ?

[olive moat]

it doesn't help people who already bought them and spent them

[olive moat]

if u have no issue getting new celehypo with gazers

then i don't see why you wouldn't buy staffs

[solid monolith]

i need to gaze lavaman but hes the last useful one

[olive moat]

you definitely get more power out of better collections than out of primary stats from woke stars

[olive moat]

until the next one

[solid monolith]

sure but i get enough to build every one regardless

[indigo quail]

what to swap

[mossy bridge]

cdr for an offensive stat if it's the 1-for-1 swap

if its the refresh one idk

[indigo quail]

mb its the refresh one

[gilded salmon]

IS for damage

oh

[cinder cargo]

basically all the important ones

[mossy bridge]

u can gamble and swap out CDR still

[cinder cargo]

around 1 per cycle

[mossy bridge]

but I bet u get life leech or some shit

[cinder cargo]

so I usually have to choose between cele and hypo

[olive moat]

how long is a cycle to you

[lime zinc]

So that's possible at 10% CR & 1% TS

[cinder cargo]

faction release cycle

so around 2 month

[olive moat]

there's only 1 celepo every two months on average

[cinder cargo]

there should be two

[olive moat]

well there's not

[cinder cargo]

because 4f, celepo, 2 wokes makes up 8 weeks

dims also offset by 1 week every cycle

[olive moat]

mf there's a hero release every other week

[lime zinc]

There's only like 6 or so celepo a year

[cinder cargo]

oh

sorry I meant 4 month

oh shoot it's 4 month per cycle?

[olive moat]

[cinder cargo]

that's a lot

[solemn sage]

why does every run become a hypo run

[olive moat]

bc hypo op

[sour jay]

hypo best faction and ferael best boy

[olive moat]

also you're missing the best hypo

[solemn sage]

didn't matter

flawless run

[lime zinc]

I've gained a bit over 1/3rd of a celepo of SGs since Lib

[olive moat]

wow thats...bad

[solemn sage]

another yolo cover run another zero skill +1s

[sour jay]

that seems unlikely

[lime zinc]

Oh wait no

[sour jay]

I finished lib just as his ship ended and still had 200 sg when I pulled tunaman

[lime zinc]

Forgot AW star

[olive moat]

at this point its on u

[gilded salmon]

I got a +1 saurus

[solid monolith]

if everyone runs the zol arti on their alna rem, doesnt it cancel out and so they both get immunity again

[olive moat]

at least its 3 mythic

[cinder cargo]

I had enough to pull lava and a bit more

but my lava rng screwed me over

[olive moat]

yeah thats what i was saying earlier

[solemn sage]

yeah but in those 1.5 seconds their backlines kill eachother a bit

[lime zinc]

Like 2/3rd of a celepo but had to use 140 on AwShem star

[solid monolith]

we need to come together as a community

[olive moat]

you should run only 1 cover hero frontline

[worldly belfry]

[olive moat]

so you can disrupt alna rem

[solid monolith]

and get everyone to use the other arti

[mossy bridge]

except on ur own alna rem

[indigo quail]

[lime zinc]

It's like 1/3rd of a celepo after AW stars

[indigo quail]

bunch of IS

[cinder cargo]

just use TGs

[solemn sage]

you don't want both of yours running it because then you guarantee their alna rem works

[olive moat]

i feel lke gaining win share in the mirror is better than reviving alna

[sour jay]

i'm not using zol on rem because I want CR performance, and also I don't have zolrath

[olive moat]

like what does it even help you to revive alna with cover

she's not gonna recast winter's call

[gilded salmon]

Full blue totem run

[indigo quail]

[mossy bridge]

lucker dog

[olive moat]

she's gonna auto attack a couple times then die again

[mossy bridge]

yeah u guys are right

[solemn sage]

of course the real result of everyone running cover rem will be alna getting replaced

[mossy bridge]

i guess ill build like a shadow dancer with a lot of full stats for alna

[lime zinc]

Is cover actually enough delay to desync Alna 9F

[solid monolith]

run zol on zol, delay them even longer than you get delayed

[olive moat]

u should test it

[lime zinc]

Cover on Zol is pretty hilarious delay

[solid monolith]

idk where to go from there, someone else take over the strategy

[lime zinc]

I would if it was free to swap

[mossy bridge]

if your alna is the only frontline she'll probably fall below 50% fast

not sure though

[indigo quail]

its dumb to wait 24 hrs

[olive moat]

ok test #1: cover delaying alna. yes it disrupts for a bit, but I wasn't able to kill rem in the time before alna entered and cast invuln

[mossy bridge]

i guess if rem has cover, even if she insta dies before 1.5 seconds pass she would get revived

[lime zinc]

1.5s is good but also not a lot of room

[olive moat]

test #2: cover delaying rem. rem exploded

[lime zinc]

Oh so it does work

[wise whale]

[mossy bridge]

what if the rem has cover too

[gilded salmon]

time for position swapping mindgames then

[lime zinc]

If both Rem's delayed each other they prob both die then though

[mossy bridge]

brain hurty

[rich wraith]

isnt cover on alna good for initial immunity

[olive moat]

test #3: cover delaying rem. rem successfully received invuln but their backline exploded and the fight was functionally over anyway

[gilded salmon]

[worthy rapids]

Conclusion: exploded

[solid monolith]

does saf just lag the game so much that other animations dont even play

ashem*

[maiden crag]

yes

[worthy rapids]

They made an anti lag system specifically for asaf and ashem

How nice

[olive moat]

ok i ran it a few more times on each

[solid monolith]

but its still laggy

[olive moat]

it seems inconsistent. but the majority of the time, delaying rem entrance will still result in alna casting successfully on rem

[worthy rapids]

Just delay both and explode the backline

[olive moat]

delaying alna entrance seems to be the best outcome, as you you can get lucky and kill rem quickly enough if watha targets her for example

unfortunately i only have the one cover so i can't test double cover front

perp has had great luck on cover runs so maybe they can test it

[olive moat]

its horrid. every time i play shem in campaign i think "why is my energy generation so low" but its not low. it just seems slower bc the game runs at 0.2x speed

[worthy rapids]

Did you take into account the possibility of enemy having +1 cover on rem?

[mossy bridge]

nothing like watching a battle for 20 seconds and the clock showing 1:23

[olive moat]

i don't see how that would change anything. it would just make my frontline enter slwer

oh you mean the reso

i have no idea

i think if enemy rem has cover in theory even if you kill her she should res and alna should cast

[worthy rapids]

It might be enough time for alna to come out and use inv

[olive moat]

there's probably some timing intracacies

i mean im happy with the outcome that cover isn't too disruptive of alna

i have emotionally invested pretty heavily in alna stonks

[worthy rapids]

Wonder how many people in t50 ts actually focused their mind on gulag

[olive moat]

the cover delay is really not that long

[mossy bridge]

those who didnt will probably get replaced by people in t100 that did

[olive moat]

like u have to get lucky to kill rem fast enough

in my experience at least

[solid monolith]

i hope the whales in my region ignored it

[olive moat]

i tested against joux and gabi bc they happened to be at the top of my fl

[mossy bridge]

u killed my rem

[olive moat]

actually i failed to kill your rem

i killed joux's rem

[mossy bridge]

heh

[solid monolith]

in before they whaled totems and destroy me with their giga artifact and i get 6%

[gilded salmon]

[solid monolith]

[worthy rapids]

I tested just cover on rem vs 100% mirror fight and i won every single time with it being not even close (i was lower rc)

[mossy bridge]

wait, hold up

[olive moat]

is your cover +1 or +0

[mossy bridge]

my alna has cover btw

+0 though

[worthy rapids]

+1

[olive moat]

well then it might just be the effect diff

rem getting a free revive

did u observe what was hhapening to the intitial alna cast

on the enemy team

[worthy rapids]

Im so curious about the wrs in later teams

[worthy rapids]

I was delaying alna and everything was dead before she came out

[lime zinc]

WRs might be super scuffed this early when people are missing collec on most heroes

[mossy bridge]

what if TS battles are bugged like CR

[lime zinc]

Remember when beasts released and they were bugged to use RC stats

[solemn sage]

who needs alna anyways

[olive moat]

huh interesting. that that happens at deficit

[lime zinc]

When Blue starts, swap to all the Buffer collec

[olive moat]

yeah i think delaying alna and assassinating rem quickly is the most consistent +winshare outcome

[lime zinc]

Sounds good 50% of the time

[olive moat]

its a decently consistent free win if u can get watha to jump on rem

i think playing double cover and getting quickly to the backline is the best thing to do

[worthy rapids]

Actually emi is in a very good spot cause people won't focus buffer to counter 2 heroes out of 40 used in pvp and buffing emi dmg by 90% if you give her enough erosion is kinda broken

• lava with dims seems op too

[olive moat]

good news for me and my grand total of zero erosion mage artis

[worthy rapids]

2 instant ults from emi and merlin is straight up 32 haste buff

[olive moat]

more good news for me and my L lavatory

[worthy rapids]

Im theorycrafting but it makes sense

[olive moat]

theorycrafting is how i build all my ts teams

i pretty much never watch the fights these days

[worthy rapids]

How could lava emi dims team look like

Emi merlin bedo lava + what

[olive moat]

chuck in joan or something

she ults pretty quick if that's all u care about

[worthy rapids]

When 3rd insta ult dim

[olive moat]

just has to make to the other side alive

[solid monolith]

how am i 80% before it even started

[worthy rapids]

Close enough

[solid monolith]

you whaled robin hood?

[olive moat]

pizza is a mega kraken confirmed

[solid monolith]

i dont even know if draken did that

[worthy rapids]

Ok but why tf is robin 5* and lava 4*

[olive moat]

because your robin is bound to a 5* hero u kraken

dumb kraken doesn't even know game mechanics

smh

[worthy rapids]

Ok my plan for the next few weeks: full erosion tank support support collections

There is no way it doesnt work

[olive moat]

[worthy rapids]

Ohhhhhh

[solemn sage]

why do you want erosion on tank

[worthy rapids]

I know who is the 5th there

[rich tree]

what collection/stats for lib?

[worthy rapids]

Full erosion for bedo to buff emi

[solemn sage]

oh full erosion

I mean I guess

but seems like something to do in a few weeks after you build artifacts for all your carries

[worthy rapids]

Thats what i will focus on random 3 blues runs

And from time to time aim for +1/2s if i get leg totems

I have worker and gift ready just need purp skill up one and im going for abel +2

[solemn sage]

also keep in mind that erosion caps at 90 + opponents buffer

[worthy rapids]

I know

[solemn sage]

and not many people are building buffer

pvp only stat

[worthy rapids]

.

[solemn sage]

wdym 2 heroes out of 40

[solid monolith]

is there not a way to see enemy artifacts in ts? or am i blind

[worthy rapids]

Who else does health loss in pvp

Except emi and asaf

Bert kinda but not exactly

[olive moat]

ur not blind

[worthy rapids]

Thats all i can think of

[solemn sage]

liberta, daemia, mae, asaf, merlin, a little bit on flora, a little bit on naroko, a little bit on tamrus,

thoran curse

lorsan link

ainz goalid

[worthy rapids]

Dae right

[solid monolith]

it only shows me whichever team was on top of the list

[queen crystal]

you can view your own artifacts

[worthy rapids]

But still people won't build buffer on many heroes so my theory is correct

[olive moat]

so bert dae mae saf emi

[solemn sage]

I mean yeah erosion is great for pvp heroes

I just think emi isn't the main benefactor

[olive moat]

people will take incidental buffer if they get it on a mythic but this definitely seems like an offensively favored angle

emi is close to the top of that list in terms of pure pvp dps

[native sundial]

On Liberta for pvp

[olive moat]

thats a good collection

[solemn sage]

also most of the teams that have high life loss damage are already stacked teams that win almost everything except mirror

[proven night]

is emi a better erosion type than lib?

[solemn sage]

imo better to use collections to bring up winrates of the other teams

[worthy rapids]

Im thinking this

[solemn sage]

like focusing collections on abel team so it's no longer trash seems better than turning an 80% team into a 90% one

Never put lavatune middle

[lime zinc]

If they're capable of doing so then yeah

[worthy rapids]

He jumps mid anyway

[solemn sage]

Lavatune jumps to the middle on his own and buffs whatever heroes are there

[olive moat]

80->90 is pretty big. all those added wins are gonna be off big krakens. getting wins of krakens is huge point gain

[solemn sage]

so you want to put your carries middle

[solemn sage]

putting him mid means preventing an ally from being mid and getting his buff 100% of the time

[worthy rapids]

Makes sense

[solemn sage]

ideally you get him ulting fast enough and whole ally side gets the buff

but can't guarantee that

[lime zinc]

You'd want someone else mid to be able to ult on stage and get the cycle going

[worthy rapids]

I just want him for the instant 32 haste

It works vs bullshit go

[radiant grotto]

I like that Perp's point on positioning totally makes sense and yet it goes completely opposite to Lilith's official guides

I still remember them recommending Dual Divinity on Mae

[native sundial]

Sometimes i wonder …

[lime zinc]

That's why it makes sense, because it's opposite to offi

[solemn sage]

is there an official guide for lavatune already?

I thought they got put in #gift-code

[radiant grotto]

Here you go :

[lime zinc]

ah yes, really needed those Mish & Tasi counters

[radiant grotto]

You were eager for a Tasi counter for sure, I know, I know

[radiant grotto]

dammit, you were faster

[lime zinc]

I don't even think he counters Emi even

[solemn sage]

The nice thing with these guides is the skill priority/order thing

[olive moat]

lilith official laxative guide is here to shut down the post-collections infinite is tasi hype

[lime zinc]

Yeah the skill part is the only useful thing

[upbeat bridge]

How do the new collections work in TS? do they have their abilities or jsut the raw stats?

or do they work at all

[native sundial]

Its the most OP latest meta hero … what do u need a guide for … just put him somewhere and destroy

[proven night]

how vatune counter emi?

[lime zinc]

They're a powercreep, they completely function

[solid monolith]

the ability and stats both work

[upbeat bridge]

oh shit

tyty

[proven night]

ah the. buffer skill

[solid monolith]

its easy to see if you have the zol arti

[dawn tinsel]

[solemn sage]

I just wanted to see how bad the guide is, didn't realize it was out yet

it recommends putting him in the single worst position for him

[native sundial]

[lime zinc]

SI reduces enemy Buffer, doesn't increase your own

[native sundial]

I hope lilith server burn and everything deletes

[lime zinc]

I actually forgot he had -Buffer, pretty good debuff

[native sundial]

And refund me the 0.99 cents i spent

[solemn sage]

yeah expect to see a lot of new heroes coming with buffer/erosion and life loss skills

[proven night]

it should teamates with emi then, just the energy cycles that won't work, lol

[solemn sage]

@wise lion does lavatunes buffer debuff (what a dumb word combo) let you give enemies negative buffer? So you can max life loss damage without 90 erosion?

[lime zinc]

I'd assume it can go negative since iirc PR/MR can

[proven night]

but put emi outside box, everyone in the box will cycle energy, and emi will ult faster too

[worthy rapids]

I lost very first fight vs this

[solemn sage]

actually I'm confused

what part of emi's kit is life loss

[lime zinc]

The frost proc dmg from ult

[proven night]

her ult

[lime zinc]

Not the initial hit, but the follow-up

[solemn sage]

ah

@wise lion you don't have emi in your life loss list

[radiant grotto]

we can't see the new artis, right?

[worthy rapids]

No

[radiant grotto]

ah ok ok, would be curious to see if anything weird was there

[proven night]

iirc emi initial ult doesn't do dmg

[radiant grotto]

weird loss

[worthy rapids]

Technically....

Wait

[solid monolith]

you can see one team's artifacts randomly

[worthy rapids]

Actually no i cant, hes not in t100

[solid monolith]

[solemn sage]

you can see attacker's artifacts in battle replays

[solid monolith]

yes

[solemn sage]

but it's day 1, most of your fights will be against people who have no idea what collections are

[solid monolith]

so if youre in top 100 i guess you could see them all the time

if youre fighting other top 100

but i dont know if i want to follow all those people

[solemn sage]

yeah if you want to go through the hassle of swapping betwen your own replays and leaderboard replays

[radiant grotto]

seems like too much work

[solemn sage]

or I guess if you just want to stalk one person and see what they're doing, go down their list enough and eventually you'll see them on attacker side for every team

[worthy rapids]

Replay works, long hold in the stats

[wise lion]

I haven't tested lavatune yet but cdr, cbr, MR are known to be able to drop below 0.

[solid monolith]

did we have a channel for treasure vanguard last time

[solemn sage]

who needs a channel when we have an in-game chat with 25% of the game's active playerbase

[wise lion]

this game has an active player base? 😕

[solid monolith]

im just hoping to dodge 1 of them

[wise lion]

I noticed she was OP in Ice so I suspected she dealt life loss, but the wording wasn't correct and I never got around to properly verifying it

[olive moat]

yeah

[solemn sage]

seems pretty clear to me

[olive moat]

lmao theyr eworded it

[lime zinc]

The wording wasn't fixed until after Spooder release

[olive moat]

it was not phrased like that pre patch

[solemn sage]

ah

[solid monolith]

no arcane staff in here

[polar dune]

Hm

[olive moat]

dogshit

no staffs = useless

[polar dune]

Maybe i need to hold for next yuexi

[wise lion]

This was the old wording. it used to say extra damage, which was quite confusing given health loss is very much not damage. I'll add it to the guide

Essence of the Spiritual Arts User
lv 1:

Emilia cannot gain Energy by attacking, getting attacked, or through any other method. She starts the battle with 1000 Energy and will immediately cast her Ultimate to summon Puck to assist her. Using her Ultimate skill does not cost Energy, but while Puck is present, Emilia will lose 100 Energy per second. When her Energy reaches 0, Puck goes to sleep.

While Puck is summoned, it will continuously fire ice crystals at the area with the most enemies, dealing damage equal to 350% of Emilia's Attack Rating to all targets and inflicting the Frost effect on them for 6 seconds. Each time a target with the Frost effect takes damage, they will take extra damage equal to 350% of Emilia's Attack Rating. Each enemy can only trigger this effect once every 2 seconds.

While Puck is asleep, Emilia recovers 150 Energy every time an allied hero uses their Ultimate, until she uses her Ultimate to summon Puck again.

lv 81:

The extra damage caused by Frost is increased to 450% of Emilia's Attack Rating.

lv 161:

Enemies that take extra damage from Frost 3 times become frozen for 2 seconds.

[solemn sage]

classic lilith unclear translations

we need to fund chinese lessons for bob

[worthy rapids]

So emi ult with maxed erosion = 2660% health loss dmg in 8s

Kinda nuts

[solemn sage]

oh neat, thanksgiving VIP code

[rare grove]

Interesting

[worthy rapids]

[olive moat]

can i get ur twins w/ call

[solid monolith]

yeah, thats what i posted above

[olive moat]

bs

[wise lion]

absolutely not. denied

[olive moat]

understandbale

@lime zinc can i get ur twins w/ call

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

My twins not good enough

[olive moat]

i returned them like 5 days ago

[solemn sage]

rude

[wise lion]

how much is maxed erosion? I wasn't aware there was a cap

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

caps at 90 + enemy buffer

actually nvm

[olive moat]

is it actually 90 or is it like cda

[wise lion]

I see a buffer cap. I don't see an erosion cap

[solemn sage]

it only says there's a cap on how much damage can be decreased, not on how much it can be increased

[solemn sage]

if there's no cap on increase that'd be pretty insane

[olive moat]

wtf. nearly doubled up the next highest tr scorer using collections

[worthy rapids]

YEP im stacking full erosion

[solemn sage]

in theory (assuming only 3 offensives since you want skill +1s in wildcard)
+57.81% erosion on personal collection
+46.2% team erosion from ally collections
-35% enemy buffer from lavatune SI

139% increased health loss damage

[lime zinc]

[wise lion]

don't forget spooder

[olive moat]

blame bob

[wise lion]

out here reducing buffer before it was cool

[worthy rapids]

She will literally evaporate anything that isnt immune at the time

[wise lion]

... you did check your game, right?

[lime zinc]

Added Olgath and brief descriptions also the sort doesn't work with my scuffed scaling cells

[olive moat]

future potato all heroes with life loss

[solemn sage]

if you go full erosion with double wildcard slots and zero skillups like a madman:
+96.35% from personal collection
+77% from team collection
-35% from lavatune
208.35% increase

[worthy rapids]

Since when satrana is a He

[indigo quail]

can you do a CC list?

[solemn sage]

everyone

[lime zinc]

CC list would be way longer

[indigo quail]

[solemn sage]

spooder is another -30 buffer to enemies right?

[lime zinc]

I only did lists for health-loss, heal-block and heal-reduction because they're rare

[solemn sage]

so 238.35% max bonus to health loss daamge

oh wait the level 9 too

[olive moat]

i really hope sonja does not re enter the meta

[solemn sage]

wait really

[olive moat]

i do not want to have to build another hero

[solemn sage]

spooder gives -80 buffer at full stacks?

I should pay more attention

to new beasts

[solid monolith]

spooder is life

[rich tree]

Should I do this for erosion lib

[solemn sage]

I knew spooder was good just didn't full look into why

[lime zinc]

I don't think it'd reach max stacks in PvP though

[indigo quail]

nope

just 3 blue

if you want to do a full run, use Lv^ + worker + the one you like

[solemn sage]

I guess in deficit modes thoran curse is already 1hping the target anyways

[olive moat]

the one i like is skillset

[solemn sage]

erosion thoran for pvp could be interesting though

[indigo quail]

[rich tree]

Saving those for rem and other lv 2 skils

[olive moat]

just save yellows imo

[indigo quail]

i agree

[rich tree]

I can only do 1 SWAG run

[solemn sage]

save yellows until they get buffed

10% chance is currently trash

[olive moat]

you'll want to use them on worker runs eventually. worker without gift. when you're trying to spike high stat +2s after you've swagged out your minimum requirements

[wise lion]

it bothers me that Sonja's 3rd mention is not paired with her other two mentions. same with satrana
Satrana S3/e30 is 1/1.5% max HP/s, capped at 30/45% atk/s
Thoran shud say "transfers damage taken to taint target"
Thesku misspelled

[solemn sage]

only miracle worker + farewell gift are worth using right now

[rich tree]

[solemn sage]

and don't waste them by using them seperately

wait til you have both and use with supreme skillset purple

[lime zinc]

The descriptions were just after-thoughts I added quickly now
also woops typos

Mostly just wanted to add Olgath there because I forgot him before

[wise lion]

I prolly forgot him too. I don't understand his kit and testing him was a nightmare

a single attack would have 5 overlapping hit markers and I couldn't read any of them bc they stacked on top of each other

[lime zinc]

Originally made the list right after descriptions got fixed, so I didn't check every hero thoroughly

[wise lion]

my understanding of olgath is "ult go brrr"

[solemn sage]

All I know about olgath is he jump in air and shoot everyone

[lime zinc]

1/3 of his shells (all the Piercing ones) have health-loss

[solemn sage]

idk if his ult attacks count as normals like kren

but I would've thought he'd see more moth use if they did

[lime zinc]

Oh the Sonja & Satrana being wrong spot is because it unsorted after I sorted by scaling

[solemn sage]

yeah sorting by anything that's not a number is gonna fuck stuff up

[lime zinc]

well it was sorted by number, but sorting by number meant it wasn't sorted by name

[solemn sage]

yeah having multiple entries for the same hero will also fuck stuff up

when you sort

there's a reason database design is an important skill

[lime zinc]

I'll just leave it as scaling sort -> name sort, so it'll have it in name order

I mostly just added sort so I could reorder it to look at stuff myself, since it's just auto sort from the table anyway

[solemn sage]

I wanted to be fancy with icons in my mega hero sheet

but can't sort by them

[lime zinc]

You could have the icons adjacent to the cells you sort from

[solemn sage]

google sheets lets you sort by color though which is neat, just give all the image cells a color corresponding to the icon

[lime zinc]

Or that

[solemn sage]

but I still have a number column for factions since I wanted that to sort LB-mauler-wilder-gb-cele-hypo-dim

[lofty silo]

How does this works? I was a 4, we get one per day?

[lime zinc]

I mostly make my sheets for personal use, then just share them because they're already there
So a lot of descriptions/appearance aren't designed to be that good

[solemn sage]

it refills to 7 at weekly reset, and we're currently getting 1 per day in the mail

[lime zinc]

The Mail explains it
It's like the "New Beast Species" freebies

[lofty silo]

I didn’t read, only collect the 10 staffs lmao

[solemn sage]

make sure you use them up by saturday

[lofty silo]

Thx a lot guys

[lofty silo]

Was tempted to do a run now

Whats the best way to do it? No totems or like a few blue/purple?

[lime zinc]

Oh the Satrana one being wrong is Google sheets rounding it
Thx for unwritten cap tho

[solemn sage]

Yeah mine was initially just for tracking my furn dupes and deciding what to go for next

but I went a little overboard

[mossy bridge]

there's a totem that gives erosion right? might go for a full erosion thing for emi tomorrow

[olive moat]

yeah

[mossy bridge]

any lab store juicers

[lofty silo]

Which of the 2 collections you will use?

[mossy bridge]

idk yet, i want to do mehira but apparently it fucks with NC

rn i have oden on her

[mossy bridge]

btw support replied to me about plunder/qb

looks like its the same odds (unless they bullshitted me)

[olive moat]

well i still haven't gotten one

[mossy bridge]

me neither, but kaia and some other nihi guy apparently saw them so it must be real

[olive moat]

i've used 1 plunder and maybe 4 qbs?

so not out of the ordinary that i haven't gotten one

[mossy bridge]

you'll definitely get it next run buddy

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[thin ermine]

[olive moat]

arti?

[mossy bridge]

the one used in this TR round

[olive moat]

well the one used traditionally is book

but i put my eyes on it

and got better results

[mossy bridge]

sounds good to me

[olive moat]

so idk what u want to do

[mossy bridge]

eyes sounds good

ty ty ty

my poor dae will be E+ forever

[olive moat]

rip

aren't you a t20 kraken

why so small dae

[rich tree]

dont buy staff and you'll get there eventually

[mossy bridge]

i only have 3 celehypos

[olive moat]

wut

[rich tree]

wdf

[olive moat]

i'm not sure you should be buying staffs

[mossy bridge]

lib alna lucy

[olive moat]

so you have two celehypos

[mossy bridge]

pretty much yeah

but I am t20

[solid monolith]

i dont even want to buy them

[mossy bridge]

well t24 last fire

[thin ermine]

i dont recommend anyone still working on pets to buy staffs. at most one a day. or if ur whale u buy whatever u want. that stuff is a scam

[olive moat]

i kind of think u still have to scamgaze for dae

vei is probably in skippable territory at this point

[thin ermine]

^^^

[mossy bridge]

im waiting for more info on lavatuna, I have like 150 sgs saved up so far

[rich tree]

is olga skippable soon T_T

[olive moat]

olg is already skippable

[rich tree]

YES

[olive moat]

olg was never not skippable

[thin ermine]

im not doing olg, prob lava sooner or later

[rich tree]

thought she was needed for tower carry and NC?

[thin ermine]

hes just ugly i dont wanna pull

olg she?

[lime zinc]

She

[thin ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137640870426984468/1149062391200501800/eff608500fb30f24ce2734c88d95d143ac4b0339.gif

[mossy bridge]

olg has a sick design

[rich tree]

she/heh whatever

it

[olive moat]

no one is needed as a tower carry

fuck nc

[lime zinc]

Olgath has always been a strong kraken hero

[thin ermine]

it

[mossy bridge]

me when people ask me to explain my gender