treasure-scramble

[fair rapids]

Just had 3 monsters tn was a 12 and a half hour shift

Might take a nap tbh

[lime zinc]

Take a 48yr nap

[shy ferry]

whats your favorite flavor? I have tried every one that I know of

[fair rapids]

The monster rehab teas have been my go to for a few months ngl

The orange and strawberry dream one is good but tbh I mostly drink redbulls lol

[shy ferry]

I love the monster rehab lemon flavor

[fair rapids]

Just today was a monster kina day

[shy ferry]

Its gotta be my favorite

[fair rapids]

Yup that's the one so fkn good

[shy ferry]

I used to drink bangs but i stopped drinking that garbage at least

[little cairn]

Fellow lemon enjoyers

[shy ferry]

Now i dont really have energy drink more than once a week

After graduating college lol

[fair rapids]

They have such a shit flavor and not a lot of caffeine lol

[little cairn]

Celsius is good

[shy ferry]

They have twice as much caffeine as monster

I think celsius is disgusting personally

[little cairn]

Agree to disagree

[fair rapids]

I'm 50/50 on them tbh

[shy ferry]

You know whats crazy is cold medicine in japan is fuckin loaded with caffeine

[misty epoch]

Best beverage is water

[shy ferry]

1 pill has 200 mg ibuprofen but also 160mg caffeine

[fair rapids]

I've been trying reign a bit more recent

[little cairn]

[fair rapids]

🤝

I drink so much water

[shy ferry]

I used to like reigns but idk theyre too sweet for me

[little cairn]

3L a day

[misty epoch]

Ok I don't drink that much

Maybe like 2l only

[little cairn]

Tap water is mostly free

So drink

[fair rapids]

Yea I like the orange one taste like a fanta but better low-key

But yes very sweet

[shy ferry]

I am hoping lilith is gonna give us a pity woke chest

Then with rift and that chest i will have built solise without gazing

[fair rapids]

I hope I can get a wutus copy

[terse heart]

horrible name

[wise whale]

[fair rapids]

Awuwutus

[wise whale]

2t bouta go crazy

[fair rapids]

I did something similar lol

[misty epoch]

What does corossion do again?

[fair rapids]

Healthy loss right

[feral coral]

@storm moth olgath pls

[wise whale]

If I had saf and lava boi done my teams would go stupid

[wise whale]

I’m not gonna try risking m30 lava boi but lmk how that team does

[fair rapids]

it's day 1 what can go wrong

[wise lion]

can someone set vurk on defense alone?

[wise whale]

I mean fsir but I’m my region I need all the points I can get

[wise whale]

Jus vurk?

[wise lion]

yeah

[wise whale]

For wat? I can set it jus wanna know u

[wise lion]

testing health loss

his poison counts

47149121

[feral coral]

Nvm got one

[shy ferry]

I'm wondering if its worth gazing one copy of Tunalover before finishing Daemia

[earnest tendon]

When tuna build prio

[sour jay]

#1

[earnest tendon]

[sour jay]

I'm not biased

[earnest tendon]

U definitely biased with such a name

[wise lion]

tell me when you add me

[misty epoch]

Isn't that erosion?

[earnest tendon]

Krimo likes to add ppl

[wise whale]

Adding rn

[wise lion]

set him p3 with shroud plz

[wise whale]

Gotchu dm rq tho bob

[wise lion]

backline plz. also he needs to be on RC

[storm moth]

where request

[dawn tinsel]

Interesting - let us know how lavaboi does. Also, shouldn’t AShem protect Bert?

[wise whale]

Should be set

[feral coral]

I got another one, thanks

[storm moth]

[wise lion]

thanks, I'm done. you can set it back now

[wise whale]

[glad plank]

Tuna sucks, didnt do anything in friend battles.

[sour jay]

blocked

[gilded salmon]

Blocked

[thorny tartan]

@copper sphinx lol when did mrekk start streaming with facecam

[copper sphinx]

been a while now

[tawdry hatch]

blocked

[thorny tartan]

Not what I expected somehow

[copper sphinx]

i forgot why he did that but now he does

we got his face before whitecat's

[wise lion]

isn't tuna female?

[copper sphinx]

you trying to get blocked too ?

[shy ferry]

Can anyone who has lavatune trial popped test something in guild boss for me?

Palmer Abel Raine Daemia Lava, vs. the same but with Jerome instead of Lava

[civic badger]

#classic-chat message

need help with ts

[sour jay]

Bye bye bob

[feral coral]

Okay can I get olgath now, the one I got was too big

[native sundial]

Is mp good for supports ? Also attack ?

[worthy rapids]

i can already tell you that jerome is better

[wise lion]

Pierce is only good on damage dealers, except for Palmer

[native sundial]

What about liberta

[shy ferry]

wait what why?

[worthy rapids]

buff to abel ult is useless cause its not the ult thats doing dmg

and jerome buff is just op

[civic badger]

🙁

its so difficult to get help these days

[copper sphinx]

when half of the server is blocked ofc people won't try

[gilded salmon]

astute observation

[lime zinc]

It still increases Lib's dmg by a tiny amount but it's worse than ATK because it doesn't affect health-loss

[shy ferry]

theoretically isn't libs health loss not affected by atk either

because its based on healing?

[shy ferry]

check my fat palmer arti

[gilded salmon]

Wtf

[wise lion]

what is diff btwn buffer and full buffer?

[mossy bridge]

full gives stat to whole team

so +1.94 buffer to all teammates in that case

[lime zinc]

Lib's own heal scales ATK and the max Link dmg is capped by ATK

[civic badger]

#classic-chat message

need help with ts

[native sundial]

I will test this to Liberta

[fringe light]

[lime zinc]

can't wait for collec to cause overheat issues in CR

[sour jay]

It's already fucky in nc

My martyr time got like 20s slower

[lime zinc]

My martyr didn't change but I broke my hound & puppet

Well Hound fully broke, Puppet just got slower

[shy ferry]

Hound is fixable tho

[sour jay]

Mehira ability on emi?

[lime zinc]

Hound would just be fixed by unequipping it yeah

[shy ferry]

There's not much benefit to either ability on emi so IMO just do eyes so as to not break anything

[sour jay]

Ye

[shy ferry]

Hound got a big benefit from being able to give twins cheat death

[sour jay]

It's basically a stat stick for emi

[shy ferry]

Unfortunately my Emi stat stick rolled +1 skill

I am so malding

[lime zinc]

I just threw it on because it was there and she has more IS than AwBel or Dae

[lime zinc]

But yeah obvs won't use it in the future when it messes with NC

[worthy rapids]

just dont use emi

[lime zinc]

Idk if I even got lucky enough to have a single collec not need at least 1 purple tier stat

[storm moth]

can they delete this rng bullshit

i hate it so much

[lime zinc]

[storm moth]

it takes so much time just to get shit stuff

i just want good stats for my abel

[still heron]

Whel harder

[storm moth]

stfu

[still heron]

[lime zinc]

Probably not good to be solo targetting a collec this early on

[still heron]

Thats not bad ig

[fringe light]

[lime zinc]

Something you'd be doing at like 1-2 months in

[still heron]

The PP was a mistake

[lime zinc]

Why'd you put PP on it too

[still heron]

Dont hate me

[lime zinc]

When AwShem & Vei want to hold hands and use the same collec

[still heron]

[wise whale]

Hi kadezh

[still heron]

Hey krimo

[wise whale]

How’s evrything my friend

[still heron]

Im good

Hru ?

[civic badger]

when does ts start

[still heron]

At reset

[wise whale]

Crippled but aside from that good I’m building myself a vacation home

[still heron]

Nice

[civic badger]

and i still need some ts help

[wise whale]

This wat I’m running

[civic badger]

@wise whale #classic-chat message

and this is what i'm going to run

[feral coral]

Worm saurus or Jerome e60?

[gilded salmon]

Not saurus

[feral coral]

Saurus cr and nc meta

[thin ermine]

worm if u can still make her lowest hp if needed

if not then saurus id think? cr/nc use

[feral coral]

[lime zinc]

Lava

[civic badger]

nice

[fringe light]

[thin ermine]

[feral coral]

I'll e60 him after 48572 years when he's 1*

[thin ermine]

think u meant to say mins

[feral coral]

11 more e60s till a full page of them

[thin ermine]

[lime zinc]

[native sundial]

Does tenacity do anything in pvp or not

[olive moat]

It does a lot

[cinder cargo]

What the actual heck???

also I'm dumb

I spent so long pushing last night

[sour jay]

JD is just gonna put any trash mythic stats on his heros to push more pcap

[cinder cargo]

forgot to actually do the gallery first

[thin ermine]

[gilded salmon]

[thin ermine]

sounds abt right

[earnest tendon]

[sour jay]

When ch60 jd

[worthy rapids]

let me pushhhhhhhh

[edgy moss]

this might be the only time i'll ever rank this high cuz people still waiting to do collections for their hit?

[cinder cargo]

um

well actually looking at the collection stats

[sour jay]

Wow you're so ahead of me pizza

[earnest tendon]

swipe harder so u can push

[cinder cargo]

might actually be very soon

especially if everyone pushes a lot too

because I know ch59 is only like 30 RC levels from ch56

and the ss that perp showed seems to have that kind of power increase

[thin ermine]

[cinder cargo]

I think I'm gonna do my colletion hits now

can someone guide me

[sour jay]

There's only pain and suffering awaiting you jd

[cinder cargo]

I'll use the afk hut guide

but can someone tell me how the totems and stuff works

whether I should use any etc.

[sour jay]

Especially when the collections are prob gonna be generally worse than regular artifacts in campaign but it takes 24 hrs to swap

Use only blue totems for now

Until you know what you're doing

[cinder cargo]

so no +lv totems?

[sour jay]

No

[cinder cargo]

ok

[sour jay]

You want to save those and use a bunch of amazing totems at once to get op collections. But only when you figure out what you're doing

[feral coral]

Is it the tree or spider?

Or is worm supposed to be lowest hp

[thin ermine]

this

[sour jay]

Yeah always naroko lowest hp

[cinder cargo]

also what's up with the 4 hero clear trend in campaign

[feral coral]

Lowest cmbr

[worthy rapids]

spider insta ult is increasing dmg immediately and ramps up to the max faster

[thin ermine]

ik

[cinder cargo]

everyone is doing like all 5 of the multi stages with 4 heroes

[lime zinc]

Is Naro meant to be lowest HP for puppet

[sour jay]

Big naroko is bad

[lime zinc]

I thought you wanted AwLyca or Olgath to be lowest and Naro lowest was just for 1 CR

[cinder cargo]

also dude trishea is so nice for campaign

[mossy bridge]

im so lost with NC now with colelctions

[thin ermine]

depends sometimes yeah

[worthy rapids]

why do you want naroko lowest hp?

[sour jay]

NC is very fucky

[cinder cargo]

super unexpected find, but I'm happy

[mossy bridge]

i feel like collections made my NC worse lol

somehow

[thin ermine]

typically its olgath when u run that team (lowest hp)

[cinder cargo]

she's one of those plonk into any team and it improves type heroes

[sour jay]

I'm overall better but my martyr got slower

[wise whale]

Imagine having Olgath

[thin ermine]

but there r weeks that want naro instead

[feral coral]

Ok so I'll try and if it doesn't work I'm suing everyone here except pizza

[lime zinc]

People farming low cmbr clears to appear on copy

[cinder cargo]

ok kraken

[thin ermine]

i merc olg for that team

[still heron]

Imagine not having him

[cinder cargo]

lol, only for lower clears to appear like next week

[wise whale]

Jd ur the biggest whale here

[cinder cargo]

[thin ermine]

u should check hero info lol

[cinder cargo]

oh I pushed like 30 stages last night

[lime zinc]

That's the only reason people do it

[cinder cargo]

because rates at sg were that bad

[wise whale]

Couldn’t be me

[wise whale]

U can use mine if needed

[lime zinc]

Wtf how did you get 30 done without being pcapped

[still heron]

No Frampton lame

[cinder cargo]

I leveled up like 3 times or something from gazing lava

[thin ermine]

i will if needed ty

[cinder cargo]

and you know ch 56-59 are

30 levels spans 3 chapters

[worthy rapids]

can someone explain why naroko has to be the lower hp with bert?

[wise whale]

Frampton is mega whale hero

Ofc I’m not gonna have him

[cinder cargo]

I have framton

[lime zinc]

Isn't that due to chasmic though

[still heron]

Olgath is not

[cinder cargo]

I think it's actually due to lilith nerfing

[wise whale]

My point proven right here only mega krakens have him

[fringe light]

So she can get Bert link I think

[worthy rapids]

BUT WHY

[thin ermine]

not always the case. depends. as for y. beyond noob expertise

[wise whale]

Frampton more niche imo but they both whale heros

[edgy moss]

because someone said so

[cinder cargo]

because it doesn't make sense for there to suddenly be a weird plateau in power in the middle of the 50s when there isn't lne before or after

[thin ermine]

i need 4 more frams and he'll be A....4mo

[wise whale]

Mines e+ rn

[thin ermine]

nc store

[still heron]

U kraken

[wise whale]

Oh yea forgot abt that too busy getting my other shi

[lime zinc]

Well there are plenty of other factors that could influence it, but I wouldn't be surprised if nerfs were a main one

[thin ermine]

nc store

[cinder cargo]

another charm, another chance to use lavatune

[edgy moss]

i got e framton

[thin ermine]

[cinder cargo]

he actually makes charm soooooo much more stable

[still heron]

I know im getting mine to 5* rn

[thin ermine]

kraken

[wise whale]

My lava boi only mythic u guys r fucking whales

[cinder cargo]

look how consistent that mehira ult is

[edgy moss]

mine doesn't exist you

[worthy rapids]

im glad i got one from random stone i saved for few days cause it fixed my TRASH rates

[wise whale]

I should have lava boi done by next week tho

[cinder cargo]

ok can someone help guide me through what exactly to do in the gallery now

[still heron]

Mine is only L+ with one copy.....howa the real kraken here

[cinder cargo]

do I ... summon?

[wise whale]

@fair rapids

[still heron]

Facts

[still heron]

Go Go Go

[lime zinc]

Don't summon, stare at the screen waiting for something to happen

[still heron]

[feral coral]

My olgath is 35m and my worm is 42m hp

[rich tree]

i need mats and furns for olga

[mossy bridge]

summon larvatuna he's gonna be the new best hypo

maybe new best celehypo

[worthy rapids]

support cant be the best by himself tho

[cinder cargo]

wrong

[mossy bridge]

we have a carry surplus though at this point kinda

[cinder cargo]

e.g. bert

[worthy rapids]

bert is a carry

[mossy bridge]

like even a ch25 noob is gonna have a decently built rem

[worthy rapids]

you have palmer jerome and ivan for early supports

getting celepog support as a 1st celepog is troll af

[mossy bridge]

hmm true

I guess u'd get stuck at 3 or 4 teams in campaign

[feral coral]

Lowest hp naro didn't work

[worthy rapids]

who rosa has to follow there

[feral coral]

I bet it's spider 18

[lime zinc]

I bet rosa has to follow spooder18

[worthy rapids]

funny

BRUH

[lime zinc]

My peak r1 is like 15b but I usually only see 7-9b

[wise whale]

Nerds

[cinder cargo]

hey guys, what to pick here:

there's no +lv, so idk if I should use this for abelinda

but at the same time it has a bunch of MP

[thorny tartan]

Abel doesnt need +1

[mossy bridge]

could slap it on like scarlet or something if ur not satisfied, has some IS too

[lofty silo]

What is the requirement for lavatune? Is 9f and e60 required?

[proven hearth]

270 sg card for 6 copies of guitar guy…

[cinder cargo]

is bob still around

@wise lion

plz need help

is MP any good on abelinda?

afaik, abelinda ignores all the MR of enemies

but how does MP calc factor into this

does it just all translate into extra pierce, or does it calculate the pre-pierce too

[lofty silo]

I used 675 pulls for lavaboy

[wise lion]

short answer, yes

do u want the long answer?

[cinder cargo]

I just got a +10 MP run, and am trying to decide if I should use it on abelinda or daemia

[cinder cargo]

yes

because if belinda already ignores MR

and MP is only extra

then 10 MP is only like 9% extra damage for abelinda

but like 30% extra damage for daemia

[proven hearth]

330 for 8 so far 😭

[cinder cargo]

I know I can swap them later, but I want to decide if I should get full ATK too

[lofty silo]

Good luck for the next 8! I was at 60 for my 8-9 then got more lucky

[cinder cargo]

I used 700 for 14

well 695

but it's pretty bad

[proven hearth]

400 for m+. I’m going to run out of dias sadly

[wise lion]

well, imo both of the collections suck on Daemia since she ults very infrequently

[proven hearth]

[fringe light]

[valid grail]

good for bert?

[visual dove]

1090 for 18..

[feral coral]

I'm never spending on this again

[misty epoch]

What in the kraken

[cinder cargo]

I mean for the free stats though

[proven hearth]

well. 500 pulls and he’s A

[cinder cargo]

kraken

[feral coral]

Rich get richer

[misty epoch]

F2P rates

[wise whale]

Share mines so close to A

[wise lion]

She still benefits from MP and reductions to enemy MR (the enemy’s MR is first treated as 0, then further reduced by the other skill such as Blade Ridge)
but remember each point of MP is less valuable as it increases

[cinder cargo]

ye

that's what I meant by the 9% vs 30% thing

idk tbh

maybe I'm thinking too much

[wise whale]

Accurate

[olive moat]

the answer is to give it to belinda until you get a better eyes run

[cinder cargo]

ok

um

should I use a +lv perk to get trader lv 2 for bert?

I feel like vault really needs at least lv 2

[olive moat]

skillset or gift?

if its gift then no

[cinder cargo]

I have both

but I should try to use them at the same time right

[olive moat]

do u already have two dancers? both watha and rem are gonna need dancers for this cr

and dancer needs +1

[cinder cargo]

I don't have awthalia

I'll use one for rem

[olive moat]

lol noob

[glad plank]

same 😦

[olive moat]

anyway i think the +1 on vault is mid. the +2 is great but f2p not gonna burn workers diggin for +2 vaults

[cinder cargo]

hmm

good point

[copper sphinx]

cursed friend is back

[cinder cargo]

I'll run a farewell on rem

I mean a skillset

actually which one should I take for rem

[glad plank]

3/7 +1 skill from just blues

[cinder cargo]

because rem is pretty high on the priority list

[olive moat]

cover for ts and dancer for cr/nc

[glad plank]

althought one run i got two +1 but no miracle worker

[cinder cargo]

@olive moat should I use gift or skillset for rem

or should I do a mega run and have a bunch of totems stacked for rem

[radiant grotto]

potato, could you lie to me and tell that saurus arti is still nice on Rem if I don't have Zol?

[lime zinc]

Dancer is good for Rem anyway

[olive moat]

dont burn gifts when ur diggin for +1s

[mossy bridge]

save gift and the attacker one for qbag runs

[cinder cargo]

ok

[olive moat]

have to save gifts for swag runs for armor

[cinder cargo]

what's qbag runs

[olive moat]

qbag is triple purps quick battle attacker's asset guardian's gift

[mossy bridge]

qbag deez nu-

jk yeah thats it

[cinder cargo]

I literally am not comprehending what that is

[still heron]

From store

[olive moat]

armor looks really needs +2 for the 40% normal atk dmg so u gotta save gifts for swag runs digging for the +2 armor

for baden

[mossy bridge]

quick battle - attacker's asset -guardian's gift as your 3 totems

[cinder cargo]

armor is the cele one?

[olive moat]

yeah the athalia collection

[radiant grotto]

Still not in CR/NC like you and my focus is just improving TS for now tbh
but yeah, I get it

[olive moat]

the +2 stacks normal atk dmg increase up to 40%

[cinder cargo]

oh

I'll for that run then

[lime zinc]

Well Cover without +1 kinda meh

[cinder cargo]

saurus artiface for rem right

[olive moat]

yeah

[cinder cargo]

ok

[olive moat]

if u don't have a +1 cover

[radiant grotto]

Yeah, potato assured me of this when I tried to rationalize stargazing Zol

[cinder cargo]

ty

I mean

should I get cover?

I'm using a +1

[olive moat]

how much do u care about ts

cover is a ts item

[cinder cargo]

not that much

[radiant grotto]

there you go

[cinder cargo]

ok

wouldn't cover be good for some CR though

[radiant grotto]

Seems like it will take me so long to guarantee cover

[sour jay]

I thought you were nearly t100 jd

[lime zinc]

Cover on Zol is almost like a meme AwEz in pve

[cinder cargo]

if rem can not die and ult twice instead

[olive moat]

perp also said they don't care about ts and then rationalized gambling a billion cover runs on 'its good for ae' copium

[lime zinc]

[radiant grotto]

[sour jay]

I don't care about anything what should I do potatogod

[olive moat]

quit ig

[lime zinc]

I wouldn't be spam running any single collec anyway

[radiant grotto]

quit and give your account to a random on the street tbh

[cinder cargo]

are you sure cover isn't better on rem for CR too?

[olive moat]

i haven't tested it

so no

but looking at it

[lime zinc]

Maybe for some rounds, but it's somewhat moot when +1 is so rare anyway

[cinder cargo]

ye but I'm trying to use a +1 lv purple to get one of the two

[olive moat]

cheat death vs as + crit + extra damage on crit

[lime zinc]

The catch all answer of "it's honestly too early to tell"

[cinder cargo]

frick

[olive moat]

i mean just looking at it

[cinder cargo]

why is this game so hard

[olive moat]

would you rather have a singleton cheat death

or every time you ult you get 6 seconds of +20 AS/CRIT +30% CDA

[cinder cargo]

a single cheat death is very overpowered on rem though

[lime zinc]

I think Dancer would be better for most CR, but it could have overheating

[cinder cargo]

since she herself gives a cheat death

[olive moat]

in cr its ceiling is like 1 extra ult

[cinder cargo]

this too

[misty epoch]

Oh I thought you're talking about Lavatune

[cinder cargo]

urghhh

so hard to decide

[lime zinc]

No she doesn't

[cinder cargo]

bren cannot process

[cinder cargo]

like to allies

[glad plank]

is tuna just a sidegrade to ivan/jerome?

[cinder cargo]

so it would be incredibly op in campaign

[olive moat]

i mean are you trying to mitigate the edge case of rem dying early in cr? if that happens you go "bad rng, lets try again"

you should be maximizing your dmg ceiling

[cinder cargo]

no, a lot of rounds have rem dying after doing like 10b damage in 1 second

but if rem can not die

[still heron]

Learn to read bish

[cinder cargo]

and ult once more

wouldn't that increase it by a lot?

[lime zinc]

Not much point working off "this might happen" when it's not even half a week after release

[misty epoch]

Who the fuck has time to decipher the context

[cinder cargo]

ok

ye I'll just get the common sense one (saurus)

[misty epoch]

Jumping to conclusions is much more fun

[cinder cargo]

and then if it turns out cover is better just do another one for that

[still heron]

[olive moat]

you need the +2 on cover if you want a chance to res with full energy anyway

[lofty silo]

Lol go a skill lvl up on floor 5

[cinder cargo]

true

[lofty silo]

Didn’t get much luck after

[olive moat]

you need +2 on armor

[lofty silo]

Fuck

Hahaha

Do we need lvl 2 on all?

[lime zinc]

I don't even think I'll get a +2 on a single collec before the next gallery releases

[lofty silo]

damn

[cinder cargo]

what the heck why is the game giving me all new heroes

[dawn tinsel]

[lofty silo]

that collection thing made it work

I think its not too bad with the is I got on it

[cinder cargo]

what the heck is this

[lofty silo]

Sexy rank

[olive moat]

can u stick bandage on naro and see if u can spike dmg higher

[lofty silo]

Ok let me do a run for that artifact

[olive moat]

you get one for free

just use the free one

[lofty silo]

Ah ok

[olive moat]

don't need to burn a run

the +0 skill is the most important part anyway

[lofty silo]

I had 8, still have 5

[lofty silo]

Yeah true

Did 4 more attempts, highest was 13b

[olive moat]

hmm

[lofty silo]

Highest with only abaden

Did 4 more attemps without naro thing

[olive moat]

how many runs did u do to get that baden round

that's interesting

[lofty silo]

Got 15b too in those 4 attempts

[cinder cargo]

oh supreme skillset doesn't guarantee a +lv?

[olive moat]

no lol

[cinder cargo]

shoot

[lofty silo]

Its double the chance

[cinder cargo]

frick

[olive moat]

it's not literally the same thing as gift

perp did like 4 skillset runs and went 0/4

there's a reason most people are hating on this creep

the rng is fucking abominable

[cinder cargo]

wow

[lofty silo]

Wow super consistent

[cinder cargo]

that actually sucks

[lofty silo]

5 attemps, 3 over 15b

[cinder cargo]

mythic damage resist

are you trolling me

[worthy rapids]

i did 4 skillset runs and got +1 on 3

• the one i didnt get it was with both skillset and miracle

[cinder cargo]

oh shoot

[olive moat]

yeah i went 2/4 on skillset. one was swag and one non-swag

[worthy rapids]

im scared

and idk what to use it on

[maiden crag]

save it for 2 weeks

[olive moat]

nothing until you get a gift

u don't have baden right

[olive moat]

if no baden i think eyes +2 for bel is the best choice

if have baden then +2 armor

or u can get +2 cover if ts main

[cinder cargo]

for rem

would it be dumb to swap a M DR for atk

I don't have a PP perk rn

[olive moat]

for a non m atk? yes

[cinder cargo]

so keep DR?

[olive moat]

yeah keep the mythic stat imo

[cinder cargo]

ok

oh I'm dumb

[worthy rapids]

i was actually thinking +2 vault cause i can use it everywhere

[cinder cargo]

I can just swap a legendary

hmm is CDA better or atk

[olive moat]

u have to keep in mind that u can move collections around. more likely than not that collection will end up on a support long term, bc you'll put your best collection that you create over the next x weeks on rem.

cda

[cinder cargo]

ok

[olive moat]

so keeping dr is great. a support will appreciate a dr much more than an atk

[cinder cargo]

that is true

I missed

rip

um

should I even bother doing judgement armor runs

or wait for double gift

[olive moat]

you can't run the same totem twice

but yes

wait until u can do a swag run

[worthy rapids]

@olive moat is +2 eye actually that good on abel?

or just theory

[wise whale]

[olive moat]

i don't have a +2 eyes

so just theory

ik that iz was running mehi on abel in their cr hit

but i can't see the level of the collection so idk

[worthy rapids]

im kinda tempted to do vault +2 first

[olive moat]

i also don't know if they ran for an eyes, or if they just prioritized the one with better stats or what

idk about vault +2

[worthy rapids]

you can use it on every carry kinda

[olive moat]

18 seconds of +30% atk total doesn't seem like that much to me

[cinder cargo]

for a vault run, should I refresh a legendary IS?

or just keep it in case the run flops

[olive moat]

what floor are you on

[cinder cargo]

like 2

[olive moat]

refresh

[cinder cargo]

I have 3 perks

ok

I got erosion

[olive moat]

pretty good actually

bert

[cinder cargo]

oh really?

[olive moat]

most of bert's dmg is his link

that's life loss

[cinder cargo]

oh

[olive moat]

so wants erosion

[cinder cargo]

that's actually decent

oh nice I got gb surge during a 4 gb hero run

[valid grail]

SWAG runs for +2 maxed runs
qbag for purp runs
full blue for most runs

how shld we use the other cards? esp extra supreme skillset cards and other L cards

[worthy rapids]

most L cards are scam

the mode is too random for it to be good

[olive moat]

put spare skillsets into purp runs when you're digging for +1s

like on dancer or cover

most L cards you should hold

after getting set up with your +2s

[valid grail]

so like qbass instead lol

[olive moat]

you'll ditch gifts and use workers on worker/upgrade/blessing runs to try and spike super great rng items

although if you think you're always gonna be behind the curve or just barely keeping up with the swag runs u need for your core +2s

then just use spare gold totems however u want

[cinder cargo]

should I refresh a legendary TY on floor 6?

[valid grail]

thats painful but seems like a 1 or 2 year later thing

[cinder cargo]

hmm I might just keep it

[mossy bridge]

ty is one of the better defensive stats

[cinder cargo]

ye

[worthy rapids]

if i had to make a tierlist for L cards it would be:
gift/worker - S
first 5 that increase certain stat drops by 100% - A
other cards with 10% thing - C at most

[mossy bridge]

but if ur pve focused idk if it matters too much? idk if campaign enemies get IS at any point

honestly i feel like most of the L cards are worse than some of the purp ones lol

unless you're going for something specific i guess

[cinder cargo]

ye pve least of my concerns tbh

pve just needs power

just stack the higher stats

who cares what they actually are

[sour jay]

They get engraving eventually so there will be is

[lofty silo]

Need help, what best stat for defense?

[worthy rapids]

for the shitty L ones i'd just stack 2 swords + that one for the 18% chance for additional stat

[cinder cargo]

dang they all suck

which collection is this?

[lofty silo]

[cinder cargo]

I'd just get a bunch of high tier FULL buffs

[cinder cargo]

frick

are you serious

that' so unfortunate

awesome run otherwise

[lofty silo]

The offense is great but the defense is poop

[cinder cargo]

don't pick def

def sucks

[olive moat]

that's an insane run

[lofty silo]

I guess full buffer twice?

[olive moat]

3 mythics and a skill up on a blue/blue/purple run

[cinder cargo]

like literally +100% def gives you like +5% EHP or something dumb

[olive moat]

even if one of the mythics sucks

[lofty silo]

Insane right?

Well help me pick my defense

@olive moat

[olive moat]

yes that's what i said

[worthy rapids]

did you see the +2 one on triple blue run?

[olive moat]

just as good as a +1 run

[cinder cargo]

wow I'm getting like all the erosions in the world

[worthy rapids]

yeah kinda sad but wtf

[lofty silo]

I feel u

[little cairn]

Time for bert arti

gg

[mossy bridge]

barti

[cinder cargo]

barti indeed

[little cairn]

erosion is good for bert and what

asaf

special

[lofty silo]

My last 2 runs got me a skill up

[worthy rapids]

emi

[lofty silo]

I gotta stop lol

I used all my luck

[little cairn]

does emi have a lot of health loss dmg?

or just a small amount

[olive moat]

a lot

[worthy rapids]

guess why shes broken in ice

[little cairn]

I see

[olive moat]

she's hard to figure out though

[cinder cargo]

doesn't literally no one know what emi does

[olive moat]

she doesn't get affected by ice debuff

and in that one spooder voyage she triggered the debuff

[cinder cargo]

what is this run

[olive moat]

we need bob to figure out what's really going on though

[cinder cargo]

0 mythic stats

but all the legendary stats are all really good

...

[olive moat]

that's how all my runs go

anyway 0 mythic stats = trash collection

[cinder cargo]

more erosion

why all refresh, give me level up ritual plz

[little cairn]

Just make quad erosion arti

[worthy rapids]

its literally this

[little cairn]

[cinder cargo]

nice

combination one

[little cairn]

I see

[worthy rapids]

any dmg hitting frozen enemies will trigger health loss

[cinder cargo]

um potato

what's better between CDA and erosion for bert

[dawn tinsel]

First ghoulish run, doing Oden eyes, got “increase tier of one” interaction. What should I do? I’m leaning towards upgrading PP since this will go on a Mage eventually (likely Baelinda)

[little cairn]

erosion

cda is trash

[cinder cargo]

I have liek 16 of each

[worthy rapids]

cda is bad on him

[cinder cargo]

ok

[little cairn]

his ult cant crit

[thin ermine]

pp for sorc hero?

[little cairn]

pp sorc

strongest setup

[cinder cargo]

[thin ermine]

[little cairn]

[cinder cargo]

PP for sorc

ye just go next

[worthy rapids]

abel with big pp op

[cinder cargo]

...

[thin ermine]

[cinder cargo]

she's also female

[little cairn]

Cda op for abel

[cinder cargo]

^

[dawn tinsel]

Sorry, should have been cleraer - it says it will upgrade and randomize. So this will presumably get rid of PP, which I don't need.

[worthy rapids]

you just answered yourself

[little cairn]

Pizza's free time

[thin ermine]

u know ur stuff well~ u good

[dawn tinsel]

At least that's what I think it does - didn't read carefully, and afraid to click "cancel" to re-read in case that's the same as "abandon"

[olive moat]

yes upgrade pp

it makes a mythic and randomizes the stat

[dawn tinsel]

Cool - I did think that was the right thing, but wanted to check given it's my first run... If it turns out it's an actual upgrade while keeping the same stat, I'll feel stupid.

[dawn tinsel]

Perfect. Is Lvl Up also obtainable this way?

[olive moat]

even if it kept the stat you'd probably still want to do it for the chance to spike a reroll

[olive moat]

i have not personally gotten a level up from this event

[dawn tinsel]

Meh got a mythic Def. Oh well...

[lofty silo]

Yes

I think

[little cairn]

[thin ermine]

better than pp

[little cairn]

yes it is

[lofty silo]

I got a skill from a randomize one

[little cairn]

I got it that way one time

[thin ermine]

lucky!

[little cairn]

once from lvl up and once from randomize

[lofty silo]

You saw my last 2 collections?

[little cairn]

let me guess

horrible

[thin ermine]

send away!! how good was it

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

[little cairn]

yeah

yikes

[thin ermine]

wow those r nice!

for blue totems

[little cairn]

blue totem are hidden op

[lofty silo]

This was sad. First arti, never got another red. Got the skill up on fucking floor 5

[thin ermine]

[little cairn]

got my first skill up on floor 2

[lofty silo]

Also got my new hypo 1* with 675 sg only (also got a 30k)

[thin ermine]

agreed

[thin ermine]

hacker u def took my luck!!!

[mossy bridge]

does anyone have screenshots of the floor stat probabilities lying around?

[dawn tinsel]

Suggestions? Looks mostly trash… Oden collection, likely to go on Baelinda/Daemia for now.

[lofty silo]

Hehe

[little cairn]

would guess no as it's this early

[mossy bridge]

na ppl posted them but I dont have them saved

[lofty silo]

Also

[mossy bridge]

and I have no runs to check myself

[worthy rapids]

technically i sent it few days ago but it was 10 different messages

[little cairn]

bad

[thin ermine]

#cursed-realm message refer to this

[little cairn]

keep normal artis

[mossy bridge]

ill look in ur messages ty

[thin ermine]

nice!! with new arti?

[lofty silo]

Only those 2

[lofty silo]

I only did 4 runs so far

[wise whale]

[thin ermine]

did it make a difference u feel?

[lofty silo]

Rem has the same as atha, cut 1 sec (used the default one)

[thin ermine]

[dawn tinsel]

I know it's bad, but normal artis don't even work in CR/TS/NC (besides maybe counting as stat stick), so this is strictly better anyway?

[cinder cargo]

I literally just got the worst run ever on my 3 purple stack

[lofty silo]

For abaden comp, it went from 10b - 13b to 40-50% 17b+. Never got such a low time with atha on round 5 NC. Both high scores were without a merc and a 303e36 guitar guy

[cinder cargo]

wow GG is so fun

I have L of lke 12 heroes

[little cairn]

wait so collections bypass arti restrictions?

[lofty silo]

Obviously

[little cairn]

ah yes

true powercreep

[thin ermine]

wow sounds like its better than i imagined. more than just some stat increase

[lofty silo]

But if I used one on naro, it would go to shit

For baden round in cr

[cinder cargo]

nice

ended on floor 6

super fun experience

nice

had to shaft me on my full stack run

[thin ermine]

ah. ive heard of this elsewhere too. i think the same goes for emi. it messed emi up

[dawn tinsel]

Is Full Erosion the same as ERS in that screenshot? I got Full Erosion in my run, guide for Daemia says "ERS".

[thin ermine]

full erosion is team wide. so it would be F.ERS

[dawn tinsel]

Oh got it.

So generally Full X will be lower percentage increase than X, but give the same effect to all heroes?

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

[mossy bridge]

ur the best i was going one by one in ur messages lol

[lofty silo]

I really hit the jackpot on that skill up on floor 5.

I think it was from a « rank up » event thing. I turned a yellow into it

[worthy rapids]

i had mythic stat on floor 1 once

thats the real jackpot

[olive moat]

anyone ever hit a skill up on floors 1-4

[worthy rapids]

definitely possible

[olive moat]

[worthy rapids]

if people got it from the upgrade thing

[olive moat]

i mean naturally

[worthy rapids]

i got mythic stat on floor 3 and earlier at least 4 times

that mythic could be skill up

[dawn tinsel]

For the collections from the "Rewards", are the stats randomized, or the same for everyone?

[worthy rapids]

same

[dawn tinsel]

Looks like there is one Dancer with skill +1 and some attack on it. Looks nice!

[dawn tinsel]

Yeah, that one.

[native sundial]

Are u guys gonna use all arrifacts for TS ?

[thin ermine]

prob so yeah. gonna have more than 8 so

[cinder cargo]

uh

I got a M erosion on an armor run

[worthy rapids]

when is ts rewards day?

saturday?

[cinder cargo]

do I even get it?

[little cairn]

I did on floor 2

got upgrade with a orange

[olive moat]

yeah

baden does life loss dmg

[cinder cargo]

really?

[thin ermine]

i mean its not bad. could be good for abaden

[olive moat]

pretty sure

that's why they use spooder on all the baden rounds

[cinder cargo]

oh

[thin ermine]

^^^

[olive moat]

it buffs life loss dmg

[cinder cargo]

do between purple ATK, CDA and L erosion, which one should I pick?

[olive moat]

l erosion

[cinder cargo]

um

which one should I drop between CDA and atk

[thin ermine]

refer to this. colors dont mean anything. from the cn guide i sent earlier

[olive moat]

probably atk

[cinder cargo]

ye

[thin ermine]

[cunning ruin]

If I wait for a guide will my TS rank drop significantly?

[olive moat]

who knows

[thin ermine]

nahhh still early and TS need a days before 3t and on. just make sure to equip them before calc round

[cunning ruin]

I'll just use cheat death on Bert and the timestop one on aShem just to see what happens

[thin ermine]

[little cairn]

Only health loss part I found

[olive moat]

yeah that's a gigantic proportion of his damage

just that one effect

[native sundial]

@thin ermine what you think ???

[thin ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/try-it-and-see-give-it-a-try-try-try-and-see-try-it-yourself-gif-24095805

i always love the opportunity to use this~

it looks like a good start

[native sundial]

XD

Ok lets see

Thx

[thin ermine]

always easier to judge/adjust when we got a rank and wrs

[fringe light]

Rng suck for collect

[native sundial]

Damn many good players from my guild quiting

[lofty silo]

Why?

They don’t wait that lilith fix the collections?

[misty epoch]

Are they going to?

Fix how

[worthy rapids]

they wouldnt ask for feedback if they didnt want

[restive goblet]

[lofty silo]

Well lilith fixes everything it seems, so they will try something if they notice enough pushback

Lilith is the company that listen the most

They are always trying to improve

[misty epoch]

I don't play any other gachas so can't compare but that's good to hear

Like when the fixed trift rewards

[restive goblet]

My pet conspiracy theory is that they release features in an incomplete state on purpose when they already have a fix. Then they have something to fall back on when the inevitable backlash comes.

like no matter what happens there will be backlash so they may as well

[misty epoch]

I think I get what you mean

Set the bar low in the first place

[umbral orbit]

Like the mystic rewards

Adding the 10 chests made everyone happy

[misty epoch]

So when they 'fix' it, it will be as how Lilith wanted it to be originally

[queen crystal]

pets were horrible before resonance so just going to wait and see

[shy ferry]

i think its more that it is impossible to predict the player base reaction anyway

[worthy rapids]

wrong

[shy ferry]

they probably knew this wouldnt be received well but not every aspect of it

so might as well release it and wait for people to complain

[worthy rapids]

its very possible to predict playerbase reaction, just have active players as testers

[queen crystal]

then they get the benefit of ‘wow lilith actually listens!!’

[shy ferry]

thats not the only kind of reaction they care about tho

[little cairn]

As a ghoulish gallery enjoyer I'm happy

[shy ferry]

they probably are looking at engagement with the new feature

people who play a lot and care about optimized comps aren't most of the player base

with just a few testers in isolation they might not have realized other non obvious bad things like the gameplay itself going to be repetitive or switching problems with TS and towers or the soul hound problem and so on

[olive moat]

they will. like they asked for feedback here day 1 of mystic starzone and then fixed a bunch of stuff 3 days later. they asked for feedback here day 1 of collections, we'll get some fix information shortly if i had to guess

[little cairn]

Reddit is always quick to complain

[misty epoch]

[little cairn]

dw they will address stuff

[shy ferry]

anyway, "people who would beta test a game for free" isn't that representative

[olive moat]

they definitely include features which thye fully intend to remove. the 24hr cd is the best example imo

there's no way they thought they'd be kkeeping this in long term

it's just something they put in to piss off players and then get brownie points when they take it away

[little cairn]

yeah that shit is made to make outrage

has to be

[shy ferry]

you could argue the 24 hour cd serves a small purpose at immediate release time

that goes away later

[little cairn]

serves no real purpose cause you can pay to make it go away

[shy ferry]

and that is making people not feel forced to constantly swap their stock of 7 collections between 100 heroes to stay competitive

[restive goblet]

the only reason I can think of that they made it like that is that it’s meant to make you decide whether you want certain heroes to be pvp-oriented or boss oriented, but people will just play around the limitations and be annoyed at having to swap so much

[shy ferry]

i think the cool down is fine for first 2 weeks and should go after that

[queen crystal]

why though? It limits experimentation on a new system

[shy ferry]

its going to be annoying and terrible long term if they keep it

[misty epoch]

@solid monolith Can you say 'Read the pins idiots'? It's for my friend

[solid monolith]

go away

[shy ferry]

from company perspective you could say they dont want people to try everything day 1 and "solve" the new feature, you want to spread the engagement out

they know some players will be mad about it and dont care

[misty epoch]

That will do to

[wise whale]

Bappy

[thin ermine]

[shy ferry]

after all, if Vicksin is to be believed, they did focus group test collections and received "overwhelmingly positive" feedback

[queen crystal]

that’s probably the reason yeah, unfortunate.

[copper sphinx]

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

[copper sphinx]

how are you doing

[dawn tinsel]

Recommendations on this Vault? I’m thinking Erosion, Full erosion, F Atk / HP, full def, ty for ASaf

[shy ferry]

i legitimately think this approach is important for the health of the game

[thin ermine]

alive and still planning. kinda feeling like imma pull asaf sooner than later cause i needa perma merc lavatune instead soon

[shy ferry]

did you see people asking for a guide 2 hours after the update? you probably did

[copper sphinx]

damn so giving up on hoarding, okay okay

[shy ferry]

you want people to form their own opinions or else your feedback is lower quality

[thin ermine]

i rly wanna wait on getting all 9f to drop and ill just finish asaf in one go

[shy ferry]

although personally i would have said a better way would be to not give us 7 entry chances right at the start and give us 2 a day

[olive moat]

there's an idea to take prf instead. she's a hero with cc so it's not irrelevant

[shy ferry]

and no swap bs

[olive moat]

instead of full atk

[mossy bridge]

potato i made a spreadsheet to compare blue/purp totem values do u want it

[dawn tinsel]

Interesting - I swapped out PRF earlier, didn’t think about that.

[olive moat]

sure

[mossy bridge]

ill dm u

i dont wanna get banned for posting a link

[olive moat]

you get 7 slots. erosion full erosion prf prf hp full def ty

something like that

[olive moat]

do u know how many links i've posted

u won't get banned

[mossy bridge]

then i dont want the r46 competition to use it

[solid monolith]

seems it would depend on what the link is

[mossy bridge]

its a google seadhit

spreadsheet

[sour jay]

With ascii art I bet

[solid monolith]

why would a spreadsheet be bannable

[native sundial]

Made this for Tamrus … but i might use it in Rem

[sour jay]

Ban frogs anyway

[thin ermine]

[old fog]

i wanty

[mossy bridge]

[old fog]

jhawk gone

[thin ermine]