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time for bed 
yes its 3am for me 
Ah
Before u go
Tag d2
And tell him to give me attention
@old laurel give kasu attention i gotta sleep 


Thanks kasu, crown
Is the hypogean taunting guy good for dream realm? (Something-yth)
i mean it's the best possible pack anyway , u buy it or u f2p
you have to use talene in your team to beat it
Thanks for sharing these. Really curious who the hint is about.
i am thinking about asta , but that's not possible cuz kaz release
or maybe satrana
could be some lightbearer that i could not think of .
I was thinking along the exact same lines.
It's hard to guess which faction the next hero is from. It seems like the order of hero releases doesn't follow the faction order it followed before.
Lights up the darkness we have only SIMONA can 🤧👀
WE HAVE THE SAME TEXT AS CLASSIC SEVER ...
U sure?
yeah 100%
Show
thanks for sharing

Duo is a char's name?
Ah thanks, I'm stupid lol
Or maybe it's cuz I haven't slept
Went to the doc to be on sick leave, turns out, I got COVID, yay!!! 
That usually means it broken as fuck
That wouldn't be too much of a good news for me, if they don't fuck her up, Kaz interests me
I could use a good new wilder, needing two teams at their tower now
Why no good News ?
Potentially 2 good chars back to back, in that sense
kaz got nerf , heavily, on the dodge
Maybe she'll still be good for companions?
100 Dodge in companions would be unkillable
yeah they did buff her damage
So it's possible she'll be great for us
Dont think that too but we will see
Hmm she actually does good damage
assasinate dmg 270 => 470
triple strike 130% => 220%
dart from Evasive Strike 220=>340%
As long as they don't make her take forever to ult like Scarlet I sense a strong hero tbh
I don’t like the fact that her buffs are temporary
But her multis are really high, maybe she has high err
I'm ok with the temp buffs, sounds like you could murder a whole team quickly with her if she works the way she sounds like she's supposed to
Y'all thought the same with the last hero

Oh, the chaos agent is in the place, quick! Hide, everyone!!
It's pretty self explanatory
which one, haleus, oden, safiya? all of them are mid
Old dude with the rifle
Iirc
oscar should be pretty good in pvp but not that you will build him out
Ye him
nah that walker and yeah I didn't thought he will do dmg at all but DR debuffs work great for him
To many names
after that one I also think about this don't worry 

but kaz could be something for you in campaign, maybe she will see some use there
but that will be such RNG fiesta
I don't know if you want to do this to yourself
yeah but as I said, wilders tower too
at first I thought I'd never use Pippa because ofher RNG aspect and now I use her all the time
you can counter pippas rng
but Kaz sounded like she attacks the lowest HP enemy, anyway, I'm not saying I'll pull I'd like to see her in action first
lvl2 says always the lowest HP%age
could be a great combo with athalia, cecilia, whatever
i use him in elit for better dmg in dr
Should we expect pegasus to come to companions?
for the next awakened beast
also interesting that they release celestwing and pegagus at the same time in classic
isnt it going to be released already?
kraken guilds incoming
so cap will increase to 50 members and it will encompass 4 regions
I just hope I make the cut
for the best guild that will form in our region
cause rn i'm in the best one that my server has to offer
rip on expeditions lol
should make them more fun lol
won't be an issue for our 4 server region lmao
we only have like 1 AwTalene
s11 s12 s13 s14
newer regions tend to have one big spender per server
oh yeah missed it
That's nuts. Newer regions have up to a dozen or two people already with them
to be expected
Older regions have a lot of ppl that came from classic in the early phase
While s60+ is where the true whaling started, that’s when they made companions the main game in a way lol
Since its what people get upon downloading
Makes sense
bruv oden is actualy insane in pve here
ive done some insane shit with him just at elite
same for raku , eithet he got some shadow buffs or its that im going higher deffs
if oden was +20 a5 here dam it would been a slap
Perma chain cc basically
? why tf do you post that in here
Tf? Because i can
weak af cringelord ig
did u play like 4 years ago
no way that's a current account my f2p account is better than that
Noob
Lol
I didn't touch it for a few years lol
Let's say i just started today
looks like it by those investments
ainz sucks lucius sucks grez sucks now lucretia is outdated now
etc.
Finally bigger guild ❤️
any changes to the guild shop at lvl 10?
Yea
4x 24h Blue orbs
10 stargazers
5 leafs
Random T2 Stone
Im Kidding Hahahahah
was about to say, sounds too good to be true almost xD
Probably T2 Stones would make sense the Rest was a joke
100k would make sense
Guild coins are so slow to get
If i Remember correctly there a difference like that in Classic
Athalia A3 SI30 just gets one-shotted to quickly lol
@ebon sand wow we reached SI+30 campaign?
crazy that you guys beat the stages there already!!

gz!!
Congrats to you two!! Awesome 🙂
I hadn't noticed tbh 

lol
now our solutions need to become really polished and the campaign meta will show what really is ahead of the game
oh because we were just joking around? 

nah but I think this will be another difficulty increase
finding a solution for this +3 tasi comps will be fun 
this one is pretty easy to beat
but I'm already stuck at the second fight lol
the 2 LB girls are insane
Thanks
estrilda charge and gwyn dps with 3 control heroes hm might be a gwyn on belinda
but i think tasi kinda destroys gwyn comp
even a team with shall, talene and flora gets wiped at the 1 min mark lol
damn yea thats a tough one
im trying with this atm - got very close with 3 dims jinwoo aswell - but kinda want to keep jinwoo for a harder fight
that one works and can maybe be optimized bc jinwoo shall albedo mira and celestwing used 
@ebon sand
gZ but yeah maybe too many eggs in the same basket
a tad less expensive, @timber cipher
very nice that could be a good way, didnt found anything close to beating 3 tho
tried audrae and gwyn on respen side and brutus into nara
kinda leaves us empty though
Try si30 nemora Where eironn is
I don't have that
besides, what good would it make to free eironn
he's only good in that team
Yes 
Khazos, what about this one xD
/wave
I really wanted to build nemora at the start
I looked at all the Healers availlable and quickly noticed shes really not that bad when shes the only one 😂
you should si30 her perchance
for testing purposes
You might have to now
good find thought about 5 pull there too but didnt have celestwing
damn, latest Dandadan ep went by so fast
nemora a5 is actually pretty good btw.
I've never managed to make it work though
i have no clue how we beat 5 like brutus invurn
crassio + tidus invade
skriath anti invade + a lot of %max health true dmg
and to top it off zikis anti backline (targeting mirrored spot with burst dps)
if we can't find it, Zeph probably will, unless he's stuck too, then we're fucked and need a new op strat

i think its honestly sjw against 5
everything else makes no sense to me aside from invurn
audrae is to slow for that
I'm always "afraid" of Zeph's solution cuz they involve A8 owl Gwyn team 😒
a8 owl is crazy
i sometimes dont understand how his 2nd ice crown works
and at the beginning my ice crown even when similar was almost never able to match his, because it was so rng heavy- but got better by the time i build my celestials gear and si up
im scared he starts to use his ezizh more 
we might have to find like some comp for 2 / 4 with aTalene/audrae/marci
or other stuff and like 5 sjw it
will go to sleep for now tho
Ok, have a good night
gngn
Yeah right
I had forgotten that achievements are a thing lol
Holy
I'm the best
Noob
is ur discord account satire?
That's one of my alts
saw some people using her in kt/campaign as frontline against tidus and gorvo to avoid their cc
Use squirrel girl
gj, i think ur one of like 3 ppl with 1B
thanks!
Hii everyone we posted our patch update video today~ Let me know if any questions I'll try my best to answer here or in the comments on youtube
patch update vid: https://youtu.be/6-ophOUW8Gc?si=zkPe7LV6LmraLrKK
have a great weekend everyone 
00:00 Intro
00:22 New hero: Gorok
00:40 Fabled Beasts
01:06 Nightfall Pegasus
01:24 Fabled Beasts Events
01:53 Other Events
02:43 New Hero: Kaz
03:22 Improvements to Expedition
04:16 Events
04:59 Guild Improvements
05:18 Outro
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Sum it up i dont wanna Watch
I didn't watch either
Fr
@pine sable u go watch
@pine sable
Tl;dr Kaz is being added to companions
Then sum it up nicely
@pine sable
No its something Else
@pine sable should watch it
New beast
@pine sable where u at
why am I getting tagged by 3 people what is happening 
Watch the Video then Tell US Whats new
league leaders can give out rewards to people
I saw a new beast at the start
kaz, alliance contest, spire contest, bonus rewards for „exceptional players“ in expedition and two new weathers
new beast is for classics
Wow
Okay ty u can go now my friend
so jack shit basically
half of it is like expedition shit
Yea
will do, im busy anyways
Have fun
guess the new beast will come to us in the near future
i hope not 😂
tyty
have a nice evening
I Hope not
haha, well they not just going to bring it to Classic i assume
And classic is getting celestwing too right?
idk they got some big unicorn instead of celestwing
lilith does not like me when i do my wish leafs
Haha, Ive stopped and started saving them up for now
But yea, just like stargazer, that shit can be really dry like the desert
how's your campaign been going?
We should enforce players to put Their Status After the Server
Like
Cayan S4 f2p
Iperx S84 Whale
YOM S8 Kraken
Like that we can immediatly judge every1
pissing me off xD
This team bro., ive beaten all others but this one..
Your killing your carry off bat 
he doesnt die from her and stays alive pretty long
look like something that 5 pull would easily dispatch
i know how u feel i started using a gwyneth comp
Who do you recommend?
wish i had a ascended fire breater, that life leech be useful
Yom
How far down is lucy in rankings 
you could try pippa lyca skriath eironn crassio
My pippa is legendary only
Wont matter prob
If it does try Brutus frontline
Do you mean the in-game ones?
In general
I don't think ic iperx using her much
Yeah Skriath, Lyca in front, Trish, Eironn and Pippa in the back, try with either celestwing or the wilders pets, if nothing works, reverse Skriath, Lyca order in front and Trish, Pippa in the back
Eironn must always be middle back

Yeah I don't see her being used much but that doesn't mean she's bad I think
I think Lucy is after mortas personally the 2nd best hypo, but she joined late and we have like a lot of powerful dims to use so we dont really need her atm
Hey, Iper, been trying FF a bit today
++ a lot of people just pull for aTalene which is understandable at the cost of sg to atleast work to a +1 cele
I can easily beat the first two squads but the last one
finally got it lol, switched to ice pet and rolled on crit rng
nice! I was working late
Progress made is on my PC I'll show later
yea no worries, we'll figure something out together along the way ^^
I'll cook me something to eat first
Catching up to you guys is going to take a while lol, progress goes so slow now
not to sure about that we're getting kinda stuck all the time and a new fabeld pet is releasing maybe soon (not sure if we get that guy that released in classic rn, but I'd assume so)
so that may also help in closing the gap
the third one, here
I tried all 5 spots, with multiple pets including celestwing and various dims
he just flops without ulting once
thanks for sharing, give me a moment will finish cooking, eating and then actually work on it - will idle it for that time
i had college
Lvl 410 💀
Hi any Guild recruiting ?

I m S209
not necessarily, I've used up all the xp I was getting but I'm pretty sure most ppl just hoard them, Horang was 394 at his first ch46 stage clear
iperx was 395, I was 399
@ebon sand do you know where i can find the Guild channel for companion server please ? Thank you
Sorry for the ping
i get sjw to cast but don't survive long eough
I'm not sure what you're referring to, Volfar
Guild like alliance or idk what
we dont have cross server guilds yet
big guilds usually have their own private servers
I see
you can ping the mods and ask them to create one lol
No no
@thin portal
request for a guild dc channel
i mean we have cross server guilds starting next patch its fine to ask for that lmao
Oh ok lol
used this for 2 @ebon sand
yeah the second squad is easier, I think I was going with 5 pull there at first
yea tried to free up albedo for albedo salaki sustain on sjw
Do we already have Awaken character ? Like AShemira etc ?
but getting him to crast is a hard flip because marci gets killed
aBrutus, aSolise
Oh ok
use the guides, they're part of the main strategy
Thank you
everything pinned in #companions-questions
Thank you very much 🙂
I think I'll try to find past fights with orthos and flora
would love to have zolrath here lol, cause you can actually prevent flora from flying with him and cc her with nara, athalia, eironn or other stuff
(with the 0.75s delayed entrance one of of his scensions)
I'm sure we can beat it we more convential teams
I can kill orthos, the problem is surviving skregg and flora
for sure but its really hard because of the 2 death max
Good to know
like salaki + albedo is the most tanky i can be
what's guild dc? 
Stil with T1-2 and all Heros and pets
like recruiting channel?
jd wtf
yea we have cross server guilds soon so would make sense
I'm mainly just doing campaign now lol
jd is the man
random sidequest
is that from companions or classic?
both
companions
oh new hero then
is a hero after i quit
probably lb/cele
oh so its new
yea its new as far as im aware
interesting
they seem to not want to release op 4f from clasic
or cele hypo for now
not like i complain
do they have summon events where you have to save you summons
well yes
hmm I'll discuss with the mod team what we should do for this
companion is being held at low power 
ty ty you can remove find-friends for it, its kinda dead
is nir worth for now anyway
#companions-find-friends is like the worst channel lmao
oh wow that's super dead
yea
not realy
that one is like garbo
yeah we might archive it
not you the dc channel
get @maiden hare one and I'll take one aswell lmao
sailus did plenty more with lightcompanions/shodee i think
sailus is our real guidemaker keeping the reddit alive and was also pretty active here until recently
yeah, would be nice if you guys also had cooldown immunity, and ability to pin guides

would be fine then we'd do less pinging
this channel is lawless anyway
Lol
as it should be
jd is lawless aswell

clipped and shipped
i couls bring people in crypto rug pulls no one would care


couldnt do that back in the day on clasic
well ingame chat is modded so thats fine and if people bot in here jd and some others actually do stuff
it has some weird censorship though, ingame chat xD
there is auto translate?
didnt even know lol
auto*
i do wonder if there is only companions global or also asian companions server, because i cant find companions meta stuff on chinese boards
u click on the lil icon
ah that translate, yea its annoying
idk my guild is like 90% rusian
just got the mfer to ullt once
and theres 3 full guilds rusian
Gotta ask Leo that question
is not
damn almost!!
gonna get him to recast
most of them dont speak english
am doing it but slowly lol
but at that diff im uncertain how much he'll be able to help espacially against flora and so on lol
+20 and a3 at least would be enough for campaign
i do think at max hes solid in pvp too
if you have enough cc to make him untargetable yea
I wonder for companions, is there just a giga gap between new heroes and old classic heroes 
lvl 120 diff+ kinda oneshot crits everything
for now dmg is not that big
I cannot see how it is even possible to balance chae/SJW with like frickin ferael 
so its full cheat death meta
well max health damage is always capped
nah here is like very ass
I don't think there's an exception to that 
raku here is pretty shit
but it's like lilith is mixing 2025 heroes with 2020 heroes
i started making him work in small ways
pvp meta is stall + mira + celestwing (fabeld pet)
--> sjw clearing either with aBrutus or dims like albedo depending on region
followed by wilder with trishea being new gen
followed by w/e. like leftover dims
followed by gwyneth
When we getting a new awakened hero 🧐
like there's a reason why 2020 heroes aren't meta in classic anymore 
idk the new dimensional guy is proly the best hero in the game curently
tied with trishea
is there seal?
nah celestwing is the goat
no seal only a haste pet named owl which is quite meta for everything
I wonder if we will get celestwing too
u will dont worry
celestwing is like infinite dps compared to the heroes we have
Isnt Classic getting that pegasus
but it will cost a lot to max
yea flutterplume
yea owl is pretty meta in classic too
its basicaly like maxing a hero as a pet
that cannot die lol
do you guys have alvida?
lmao
the hero
no
nope
for now its just oldish heroes
she would be fun with celestwing 
if its a celeatial not for me
the strongest 4F is trishea followed by mira lmao
cuz here cele hypos are for big boys
if its a 4f i dont mind
i dread the day they will release op cele hyo here
that is considerd being a whale here 
once fully built, she literally cannot die for the first 55s
dayum that would be literally the game
like incapable of dying
would love an alna already but 55s would be gg
u know what funny here fully build here is +30 a5
wait they added sig?
thata what i like
I thought stars was the sig
we have furni + engraving in ascension
noo sig was from the start
ok why is my alvida + seal not clearing this floor 
furniture and engs are stars
we can build heroes past a5 tho 
thats the best change ever
imagine not having to spend ur wallet on engravings
no shiny stars 
cuz they are in stars
oh lol
beyond a5 is shinny transcended stars
oh
it looks better then e100 in clasic
but yea its different but kinda fine - fun experience
please no
but it would upset a lot of people


I don't want to have to build my entire roster again
we had and have whales with tran2 celestials already
it increses by starts, it gets more and more
t3 t4 is already pvp breaking
oh also is pcap a problem in companions?
oh that's nice
we only have jinwoo, trishea and shalltear teams for pvp so yea
all other stuff is like almost nonexistent, maulers are kinda fine since aBrutus but not on a level
i remember when i used to push in campaign eith thoran
and was pcaped
good old days
whats pcaped?
or RGMs a thing?
power capped
did old thoran also have like a 1600% max atk scaling?
basically the game sets s minimum power for you to start the battle
thoran has no caps in clasic
no, thoran never had a damage scaling
here they ruined him
they made a damage ceiling?
so people cant chese
ew....
yea thats what i thought i got confused by a guy that tried to tell me that thoran didnt work in classic either
yes he has cap on his ult
grezhul capped, thoran capped and some others like scarlet harshly nerfed
lowkey though all the best cheese comps use old heroes in classic because they didn't regulate caps back then lol
scarlet is worse than belinda
grez was always capped at 1600% atk
???
grez also is capped here
what the heck
scarlet is pretty meh
scarlet has like 1200% less on ult, scarlet has 200% less on other skills, 50% less atk buff after re-casting ults and such
but I don't think the deficit scaling is high enough for that to be a problem
companions just needs alna
and then alna grez will still be great team probably
alna would be love
yea but still love
wait what
like not jsut atk steal cap?
well grez's main dps source is his 9f
the uh shield explosion thing
well yes thats why they made him shit
here getting a a5 hero
is easy af
specialy 4f
he has that but he sucks ass im the only player that build him early and he didnt do shit for me and other whales that have him dont use him either 
got stuck in nostalgia with that one ig
most problematic heroes in clasic 4f in the past are not good here
i only made raku +30 cuz he was my fav
he balls in dream realm
so theres something
they trow around a lot of them
we have that too
oh
i think i have all 3 of them
on my main I just use the default grez
for gre
3 of them?
the default one

I'm not that active on discord anymore but I do write here from time to time
where evidence 
it's okay, contributors deserve credit imo
out of this list I think only wout is still active lol
I remember when you told me that you (@verbal forge) like @quick hinge 
yeah that list is long forgotten dont worry 
?
I'm 20
to young for me
What is going on in here
I'm in contact with some CMs and mods here and I believe they plan to do smth for us content creators so all good 
on it
lol

i will summon anna
thanks 
That was fast
What does shiny blue even mean
I make guides for @verbal forge

Oh yeah I’ll never have that it’s good that you got it then lol I use your guides from here and there

I have one reddit guide finder post, all of the guide are there also almost every new ones
when i was playing in clasic i think i was i top highest f2poor pushers
need to update it
pushing in clasic was something i would never do agai
3 days of auto retries to beat a stage
We need to get iperx shiny blue too he helps a lot
wait sorry that was a joke, I don't have permission to give that role 
lol that makes it even better
the petition is in progress

all good I don't need to tbh
Wow you lost your blue
jd is pushing in clasic stil aids ?
not like I'm that active here, I'm more active on reddit
hmm I've been doing work to make it better
e.g. thoran cheese is basically never needed now
i mean like 8 hours of retries type shit ?
the cutoff to when you should start cheesing is around ch74
which is very far into endgame
I mean iperx is active here so it would make sense if you two still get it I mean a lot of people still use the guides
nah pcap is the issue now
90% of people are power capped
of people who push
you start running into power cap after you get 5 stable comps at around ch50
then proceed to be powercapped for the rest of the game
yeah iperx needs some noob-guider-badge here in discord 
with all the question he answers
So do you
jd are there still whales left in clasic ?
a lot of new ones actually
I use to help for like a month and then sjw came out and people where asking the dumbest questions ever and I just like quit
or they just quit i saw a lot of big acounts for sale
a lot of old ones quit too
that sounds like a scam
no he just said he wishes he neverd touched this game in his life
was is even max vip now?
26?
i dunno he just said he had max vip
i offten check accounts on sale sites
to laugh
Yo guys how do you know if a Stage is 5pullable
gut feeling 
look at enemies
clowns spending 100gs on accounts selling them for 1000
What is 5puplable is the real question
determine if they can all be moved + cced
Well the others understood it
if yes then you can 5 pull
Sounds like tank to me just not 100k
100k in comp ?
@timber cipher can probably elaborate on that with a mini-essay
F e how about this One
nah i dont think we hwve that here
More like 50k
I sure Hope so
nope
with 100k u would have everything maxed out here
theo and nara is going give you a hard time
like legit every hero
I wouldn’t know I’m a fish
theo hides though... can you really do enough to burst her down?
How does fawkes interact?
Not that easy f2p
Im basically the highest f2p i know
i think even a f2p might do here if they push on pc
And i still havent reached 100 def
same 
I am not an afk gamer and need to get out of here like what are these terms
but i dont think people macro in companions
Yo any1 know a higher f2p than me?
i wouldnt do this again personaly
(because 77-2 is literally the end of the game in classic atm, not even JULIUS is 77-3)

do you guys have tasi and twins?
yes
Idk I don’t play afk much anymore but Grace would be if she stayed she was goated
I dont know who he is but that Sounds Impressive
its a guy who plays since start i think
biggest whale in the game by far, I think he's dropped upwards of 300k
impresive he didnt quit yet
Cap
Im the goat not her
I want to try campaign on companions
Cayan wanna do my campaign
I can give it a try if you like
is anyone willing to volunteer account 
u will get fast quick here
You should be able to
specialy on pc
Thank you
I Played Both and quit Classic a while back i have way more fun here you should give it a go
uh that channel is only for classic guilds for now
none of those guilds actually exist in the game you are playing 
Sure
I have a fish account if you wanna try it
Oh ok hahaha
my server is s13
hey that's worth
I'm down, lets dm 
I'll have to learn how the game works first thoug
Tell me how it went afterwards im curious
Ok
I didn't really make my own comps for classic at the start
thata why is fun
U can copy them
lower deficit must be fun
cuz you dont have to much bullshit
uh do you guys have collections?
yeah but where's the fun in that lol
uh I mean stuff like flight
they give stats
like the effects
ah no
To get how it works at the start
I sent it to you
true
companions has no tree
Didnt you want me to Push too?
Thank God
The cleaner concept of less is more, is easier for new players to settle down in
i used to like temporal rift a lot
Agreed
I’ll let him try and then let you do it if you want
Labyrinth would be nice too 
Nah i thought you wanted me to Push your Main
They work on it apparently I've see in game
Oh I sent him the main lol
Hahahah
On classic, here they can repurpose it slightly
My fishy account
they just have to update the rewards table, shouldnt be a big change
I mean it’s a middle sized account
u can compare basicialy on how many transcended a whale has
i think
if he has atalene and shit
is atalene good?
nah
but u get her after u have 5 ascended celestiala
She's not bad 😉
I’m a fish
are there vip levels in companions?
liik free?
yes
???
aw heroes are free
after 5 ascended heroes from each faction
curently only brutus and solise
@weak blaze can vouch for me being a fish
And talene
wait gwyn is still meta? 
new hero - oscar! 
Wdym
I’m a fishy right
dude what the kraken is 5* mehira 
New hero I kaz, he is even usable?
I don't even have mehira A
Hahah of course
No? Who?
we dont have*
Haha
i guess zolrath 5*
I just got called kraken when I’m not even top 25 in dream realm
Dreamrealm is a different Game my man
Im also top 100
but from current ones , they are not op
is ainz any good?
Rewards from dream so bad,I don't even care about it anymore
I’m too 30 on a good day
wait do artifacts just not exist?
no
why is the slot just locked
thats why some heroes are very meh in campaign
I’m like 59-82
Welcome to our bracket 😁
what the heck is going on in the pet page 
pets here are very good tbh
once u get one to lvl 6 ur done
cant be bother for mkre
i tried like 6 times to get somethinf better for deer
and 3 it was 6+6
i just think its very low on rng
combine them
I fused like 2 or 3 times
its rng
And only got lvl 4
Combine
As result
yes u was unlucky
woah trishea is so OP
Ah lol
Yeah
I thought we must buy the higher levels from the shop
oh yeah campaign is a completely different game
just do deer+deer
So just brute force it till it succeds
I hate campaign
