collections

[jade gull]

Very p2w

Id get it if it was slightly cheaper

[royal oxide]

Yeah, krakens cried "collections are too fair, we are gonna lose our edge"

It may not be that bad if we gain new stable sources for staff income. Depending exclusively on store will be a huge pain

[wise hill]

For rem?

[jade gull]

Top

[wise hill]

who would bottom be good for?

[jade gull]

Awthalia

Someone w. High crit

U can check what might hero u got has high crit

[wise hill]

Antandra it is then

Don't have AAtha yet but it seems she will be next on the list as I still don't have supports to utilize ABel

[jade gull]

[tropic beacon]

should i use collections on all heroes?

[jade gull]

Those u use in ts/cr/nc is fine

[rare turtle]

This is bulls*it

[hasty marlin]

dead chat 🤮 bad mode!

[forest totem]

🤮

[jade gull]

should be alive soon given patch brings changes

[supple venture]

Changes look bad

Unless I missed something

[grizzled grotto]

L is a typo, Explore does guarantee random M stats

I'll do some runs at next reset on test to see for myself too

[hasty marlin]

the changes are good just the end result is still poopoo

[drowsy yarrow]

Given how expensive staffs are it would seem to me that a F2P person should not sell or recycle a collection?

What do you get for recycling?

Selling only gets you 100 diamonds, no matter how valuable the collection, which seems pretty pathetic to me, it would seem better to just equip it?

[grizzled grotto]

Sell and recycle are the same, it's pointless to do unless you somehow absolutely need 100 dia that moment and it's an awful collec

[candid burrow]

yeah, even if its not a great collection, you probably still have room to put it on a lesser used unit. and if not, its only 100 diamonds, might as well keep it just incase

[drowsy yarrow]

Thanks! That's what I figured. These collections are too hard to get good ones.

[sweet folio]

I've definitely gotten trash I will never use so I recycled it

I have every hero I use in CR equipped with something at least

[drowsy yarrow]

I have 6 legendary totems, 23 Elite, and 98 rare. As F2P, should I combine the rares to get more elites? It seems like that will limit how many collections I can make.

Is it worth it to try use the rares to create collections hoping that I will get lucky and put some good abilities, like a Mythic out of one or two?

[grizzled grotto]

Wait until the update adds explore buff first

[drowsy yarrow]

OK, sounds interesting. I am still trying to find my way around this server. Is that mentioned somewhere like #gift-code ?

[grizzled grotto]

It's on test but global hasn't got patch notes yet, global maints always happen on tuesday so it's pretty soon

[broken valve]

Are collection artifacts always going to be better than basic artifacts or do collection need to at least have decent stats before they surpass basic?

[ancient bay]

... Decent?

[jade gull]

Super

[vague sun]

@jade gull wus up bro ? What you think is better for Naro ?

[jade gull]

def the second one~ at least most of the time the second one is gonna be better (i made a similar one as well)

havent seen u lurking in chat for awhile

[vague sun]

Im working a lot these days dont have much time

[jade gull]

yeah iirc u mentioning it so didnt ping u to c how ur ts went either

[vague sun]

Also which one for Shemira ???

[jade gull]

first one ofc. hp+mp tank collection is only ashem rn

[vague sun]

And the other one ???

[jade gull]

the second one looks soo good too but others can use it

[vague sun]

Where to put that

[jade gull]

i want the second one lol gib

[vague sun]

Haha

Where should i put that

[jade gull]

u gib it here

any tank u wanna use it. its overall a very good universal tank relic grez is nice

[vague sun]

Maybe Grez ?

[jade gull]

yeah

[vague sun]

But Grez is useless in TS

[jade gull]

many tanks can use it

u can use it on any tanks in ts that dont have a good relic yet

[vague sun]

Maybe mishka ?

I have this on Mishka

[jade gull]

nah that one looks solid. some tank that does significant dmg preferably

[vague sun]

No tank does that in Ts

[jade gull]

eh then ig tank u use in nc?

[vague sun]

Unless i swap it to Naroko

But its the wrong emblem for him

[jade gull]

nahhhh the IS one is solid for naro

[vague sun]

Her

Maybe on Gineass

[jade gull]

works well if u use him

[vague sun]

He is still M+

[jade gull]

if u use him in nc thats fine~

[vague sun]

What about thoran

Nah

No thoran

[jade gull]

thoran could work if u use him in ts for stall

[vague sun]

I do

[jade gull]

but ud have to take it off when running thoran cheese campaign

[vague sun]

But its so offensive

Thoran needs like … defensive

[jade gull]

itll make ur stall stronger for sure

[vague sun]

U think ?

[jade gull]

yeah prf and crit does good

[vague sun]

Lets try it then

[grizzled grotto]

I use watch on Thoran for TS because Seal can still attack in paused time

[vague sun]

Its a pity i dont have a good tank who can use that shit

[vague sun]

Thats a good idea

[grizzled grotto]

Your PRF one is good on stuff like Naro or Hodg

[grizzled grotto]

Naro can use the atk & prf

[vague sun]

Naro has this one

[grizzled grotto]

Grez can use it all too

[vague sun]

Thats on Naro

[grizzled grotto]

Actually Grez should be able to use all 4 offensive, just that he's more minor than Naro

[vague sun]

He isnt a TS unit …

[grizzled grotto]

Idk how much IS is actually needed for CR

[vague sun]

Its a pity not use that artifact on TS

[grizzled grotto]

Ah watch is a TS collec too

Bond is more of a CR collec anyway

[vague sun]

Yeah it was the second arti i made when they came out

Then all changed

[grizzled grotto]

Oh the custom scrolls are perk card only?, explore bonus is cumulative Ls used

Or is the bar just too tiny when only 1 used

[paper wasp]

anyone here?

[jade gull]

?

[paper wasp]

how good is this for jerry?

[jade gull]

too good give it to a carry

[paper wasp]

wait what?

[jade gull]

u want full stats on jerry mostly

what is jerry gonna do w. 2x mythic atk lol give it to like awthalia or rem or something

besides jerry want cover

[paper wasp]

idk nitro must of left it in him so i assumed it was good for him

or i mightve idk

but righto

[jade gull]

lol

[waxen badger]

you did it i left it out cuz i didn’t know who to put it on

[paper wasp]

i remember you saying put on the full dr one whenever ts is on. so i just move the double attack one to someone - that someone being jerry

[gaunt obsidian]

gotta flex this here

[pearl juniper]

[jade gull]

hacker reported

[trim eagle]

What do you think about having two timeline watch holders?

Reduced duration considered

[outer void]

Damn

[grizzled grotto]

Wtf

[forest totem]

Nice photoshop

[worldly gazelle]

What's AShemira's ideal collection? Timeline Watch or Soul Suction?

[forest totem]

Watch for pvp, bondage everything else

[worldly gazelle]

Ah that's why I see both then. Thanks!

[jade gull]

[fair gate]

collections are the pain

hopefully they'll add more ways to get totems

[hasty marlin]

hopefully they delete collections

[forest totem]

🤝

[fair gate]

but they give a alot of power

[fathom kernel]

Captive wings or oculus for gavus?

[hasty marlin]

doesn’t make it not an awful system in every other way

[fair gate]

@hasty marlin agreed

tho it makes you wonder what the next powercreep will be like

[hasty marlin]

i can’t even imagine a system that would feel worse to engage with than collections. so it’ll probably be better, even if by accident

[fair gate]

nah

they'll find a way to stoop lower and we'll accept it

[hasty marlin]

did we accept it tho

lots quit, lots went f2p over it

lilith should be sampling a massive overhaul now not bandaid fixing with some mechanic linked to totems that expire in obtainability for f2p

lilith dun have the massive playerbase they had during like engraving to keep this up. my guild is a ghost town

[forest totem]

Majority of income comes from big whales, so they cater to them instead of bigger but low-spending player base

[hasty marlin]

do whales even like this shit

[fair gate]

they have little choice tho

[forest totem]

Yes, it gives them something to spend on, also can be used in CR/TS

What's not to like

[hasty marlin]

rng

[forest totem]

Whales don't need to care about rng, it affects them less than normal player

So collections still gives them the edge over F2P

[hasty marlin]

they do with a 7/wk limit

well moreso than usual anyway

[forest totem]

But they can run legendary totem gg

Us plebs at most 1 run/week, 2 if lucky

[hasty marlin]

this is what 3 leg totems gets me

[forest totem]

Wow that's super lucky to get +2

[hasty marlin]

i sold it

[forest totem]

I don't know what to tell you...

[hasty marlin]

that lilith will derete

there’s only hopium left

[fair gate]

nice

i got 5 mythics on a collection

[outer void]

Real, got 8/20 in 2 pulls

[forest totem]

[twilit turtle]

why would anyone be doing runs before patch?

[grizzled grotto]

If you've used less than 20 L totems total then there's no difference I think

Because you won't have any explore buff unlocked anyway

I still would wait too, but if you haven't used any L at all it should be fine

[fair gate]

you get compensated for it

[vague sun]

Whats new in patch ? I so busy that didnt see anything …

[jade gull]

pity system for using L totems basically

[grizzled grotto]

Save all your gift & workers for half a yr so you can have lvl3 explore

[jade gull]

yeap that sounds like me alright

[viscid sail]

okay is it just me or does the quick explore have worse rewards than doing it manually?

I only ever run into like 3 or 4 ability shrines doing quick explore and usually manually it's a bit less than one per floor

[jade gull]

its prob just how the week's rng is going for ya

nothing changed on those terms

[untold sandal]

Damn man

[hasty marlin]

🤮

[hollow jolt]

Think we should combine or burn purples? I'm thinking burn

25 for 1 random gold is too expensive

3 purple run

Can't even be mad

I like it

[ionic crane]

Hello guys, does sand fang work on bosses?

Or i need to swap to Atha collection on my ranger for bosses

Since you can't cc bosses

[grizzled grotto]

Most bosses are cc immune

[ionic crane]

OK sir, understand

Thanks you

[elfin spade]

How do you level up the artifacts from the ghoulish gallery?

[hasty marlin]

they level up as you play through the stages, or use the auto-skip '\feature'

once you finish any particular collection it's locked as-is

[elfin spade]

How do I get the skill 1 or skill 3 though?

[grizzled grotto]

That's unrelated to the collec lvl, it's just a rare M stat for +1 skill lvl

[spare warren]

Should I keep this on liberta for now or is the HP useless on him?

[forest totem]

Hp is one of the better def stats

It's not a terrible collection per se for Liberta, but I guess it could have some more offensive stats

[abstract torrent]

Why’s my red stat spinning

[honest scarab]

M+

[abstract torrent]

Ohh

[hollow jolt]

is M+ way better than M?

[analog jacinth]

I keep accidentally clicking summon instead of quick clear because it’s a bright blue button in the center compared to the small button in the corner

[thin wigeon]

which stats pref for this artifacts, maybe someone have cheatsheet?

[jade gull]

Depends on who u wanna craft the collection for and what stats drop in the first place

[wicked dune]

What stats should I realistically be looking for on Ashem collection?

[jade gull]

hp hp hp. like she rly likes hp

[wicked dune]

Alright

And what about rem?

[jade gull]

pp atk, cda works too

defensive stats just the regular ones

[wicked dune]

Ty

[jade gull]

[slender hill]

I follow this, although it might be a lil outdated but still good

[wicked dune]

Oh cool thanks

[hasty violet]

it's only a little bit better

about the difference between purple and yellow

it's not the 3x stats difference from yellow to red

[hasty marlin]

literal first pin is updated ver of this

[slender hill]

thank you, i forgot to check pinned messages

[late aurora]

Nah, I'm actually cursed

[slender hill]

Lvl 5 collection

[cerulean dagger]

Never seen this before

[untold sandal]

Gg and f u

[knotty geyser]

is there any limit how many collection i can make?

[grizzled grotto]

Iirc there was a storage cap of 1000?

Oh nvm, don't think there's a cap

[knotty geyser]

so basically i can make as many as i want?

thanks btw

[grim cairn]

Bro i do remember i have around 12/14 spare arcane staff waiting for weeekly reset and its gone?

Also what should i use to farm, since i run out of one of the blue type

[quaint coyote]

Try using none

[hollow jolt]

use blues or if you're adventurous and think you know what you're doing use purple

sadly i dont think combine is worth

i mean 25 purples = 1 gold

so that's like 25 3-purple runs = 1 3-gold run

im bound to get several decent collection in 25 purple runs, whereas good chance the gold one sucks. Idk lmao

[hollow jolt]

500 blue for 1 gold is awful, dont do that 🤣

[shrewd bronze]

is this collection guide a better one then the second one?

[jade gull]

The second one has a v2. It was updated

[hollow jolt]

at first glance i prefer first one

2nd one has some weird choice

[jade gull]

Yeah the second one was revised by the author like a week after he released it

#collections message

New version of the second one

[shrewd bronze]

would the revision be better than the first one

[jade gull]

Theyre almost the same

[vague sun]

@jade gull

[jade gull]

Doesnt matter much which one u use rly

[shrewd bronze]

yea i noticed, appreciate the help

[jade gull]

[jade gull]

Nice! Use 3 more golds and ull be quite solid

[vague sun]

So if i get to 20

I have 2 mythics trades ?

With whatever stat i want

[jade gull]

U already got a card. Ull get another when u hit 18. But when u hit 20, ull activate pity. As in if u use one gold totem ur garanteed one mythic stat at the end

[vague sun]

Random ?

Or i can choose which stat i want

[jade gull]

The card is where u get to chose

The pity is random

[vague sun]

And what exactly do i choose ?

Stat or tier ?

[jade gull]

Stat. The card is either stat type

Tier is mythic

[vague sun]

Ok thats op

And p2w

[shrewd bronze]

bro they give me every stat except the ones i want

[jade gull]

Its super expensive ti get these cards

Yeah

[vague sun]

P2w ftw

[shrewd bronze]

i dont need 7 full erosions bruh

[vague sun]

I kept these to make a Wathalia one

[shrewd bronze]

for ivan what would be the 4th best defensive ability? def/full def/armor?

[jade gull]

Eh arm prob

[shrewd bronze]

hows this for ivan

i used blue totems

got real lucky with the abilities

no reds tho :(

[jade gull]

Avg at most rly. Prob good on others though

[shrewd bronze]

like who

[jade gull]

Twins haelus any support that doesnt have stat scaling pretty much

[pearl juniper]

Ivan wants ATK on his, he gives buffs to the carry

at least I assume he does, since that's what u engrave him to

[jade gull]

^^^

[viscid sail]

with the ghoulish gallery permanent buff meter, should I just go ahead and spend all of my accumulated legendary totems?

I have 18 of them including three miracle workers

I've also consumed 2 so far so using all of them would give me the first level buff

(I'm f2p)

[grizzled grotto]

Save at least gift and worker for probably lvl2 or higher explo

[viscid sail]

okay

[grizzled grotto]

Save the selectors for then too

[viscid sail]

selectors?

[forest totem]

Yea, CSS selectors

https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css_selectors.php

[viscid sail]

my AShem isn't built out yet so who should I put this collection on in the meantime?

[grizzled grotto]

Naro or Hodg ig

[viscid sail]

don't have Naro built either but I do have a 3* SI20 hodg doing a whole pile of nothing right now

[sweet folio]

Both want is tbh but better than nothing

[viscid sail]

which for ABel

the other will go to Daemia

[jade gull]

Bottom abel

[royal oxide]

Ain't crit especially good for Abel? She has an extra crit-based damage multiplier for her flame damage

[grizzled grotto]

It's 0.4% dmg per 1% crit

[sweet folio]

Plus the DMG coming from increased crit rate to begin with

[grizzled grotto]

AwBel always crits so it wouldn't affect that would it

Thought that was the whole reason her skill gave dmg, since she naturally always crits

[sweet folio]

Oh idk

[viscid sail]

Daemia also has her ult scale with crit

[bold turtle]

New update treating me well

3 tho

[jade gull]

[scenic bough]

is this good for abel?

over windbinder

[hollow pilot]

Does this look okay? Looking to be my best collection so far so wanted a second opinion

[grizzled grotto]

LL is a pretty bad stat but you don't really have much of an alternative

[late aurora]

I think Naroko is the only tank that benefits from erosion, so it's only viable on her

[grizzled grotto]

Naro's the only relevant Fort that cares about ERS but there's 8 to my knowledge that can actually use it

[bleak locust]

When ur smurf has better artis then ur main

[wind edge]

Does anyone know what are the best totems to pick or which ones to avoid

[forest totem]

You mean for wish list?

[wind edge]

Yeah

[forest totem]

Miracle worker and level up for sure

[wind edge]

And same goes for those 3 totem slots i need to fill for each run

[forest totem]

The other two I am not 100% sure, personally I am taking mp and pp

[forest totem]

For your usual runs do blue totems only

For collections that needs +2 do miracle worker + level up + elite level up

It's not guaranteed +2 but the best setup to aim for it

[wind edge]

Hmm

[forest totem]

Armour and eyes are probably the ones you should aim to get +2

[wind edge]

I see

Thx 😊

[forest totem]

:isa

[fierce hollow]

Now pay azor

Or he becomes

[wind edge]

Dw, I am somewhat of an elder lich myself

[forest totem]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1173729379415752737/1182210933209190430/azor.gif?ex=6583deba&is=657169ba&hm=623afc933e47125b319f32c97fbc6b33545bd14c0e7051a3ff614bb1052838c6&

[mellow furnace]

I think this is a good collection? 🤔
But to whom should I give it to... since I only like to do GG, and never thoughts about the results...

[jade gull]

Yeah real nice wow

[rare turtle]

[bleak locust]

aBaden or mulan

Kren needs more dmg stuff

[mellow furnace]

thank you!!

[hasty violet]

give it to a support cc

uh, maybe like mulan in the current meta

or just forget about the fact that it's a tidus collection and chuck it on some random cele for team stat buffs

because as insanely cool as 7M is, it's missing the core stats needed for a carry (ig it has PP, but you ideally want 2+ of PP, ATK, PRF/IS because fang etc.)

[mellow furnace]

okayy mulan it is then!

[valid helm]

Will the ability scroll disappear after use or infinitely reusable?

[forest totem]

Resable? What are you? Fucking high?

[valid helm]

Oh it just disappeared after use. RIP

[forest totem]

Classic Lilith

[valid helm]

This will go on Aw. Shemira. If I had her built!

What happens once you reach 36? Does it reset back to 0 to start collecting ability scrolls again?

[scarlet onyx]

totem

[bleak locust]

It resets back to 0

[eager hollow]

Can somebody please explain to me what this collections feature is good for and everything a returning player should know about?

This is where I'm at currently

[knotty turret]

For shadow dancer with a red PP , red ATK and +1 skill, what would be optimal to pick as a 4th red from the ability vault?

[tawny flower]

i dont understand this collections thingy. Is there any dumbed down eli5 tutorial?

[viscid sail]

which support collection for lucilla? I know that trader's vault is usually meta but mine keeps dying because I only have one copy

[paper wasp]

hey @jade gull sorry for the ping

[jade gull]

anytime im lurking anyways?

[paper wasp]

would you be able to help out my friend dolphin

[paper wasp]

this one right here

idk how to dumb it down

with collections obviously

[jade gull]

as in how to play the mode or what collection to make?

[paper wasp]

both

hes new basically

[jade gull]

do u know if he has sweep unlocked yet?

[paper wasp]

he dosent yet

unfortunately

[tawny flower]

Hello. I’m ch 7

[paper wasp]

change your name dolphin

[jade gull]

oh ch7

[paper wasp]

yeah hes come back after a long time

[tawny flower]

Boom

[paper wasp]

so he's restarting

[tawny flower]

Yea i quit like last may

[paper wasp]

[jade gull]

[tawny flower]

I dont understand how importqnt collections is. I got random stuff rn and idk what to do

[jade gull]

welcome back! the game has changed quite a bit im sure u noticed

[tawny flower]

Yuuup

[paper wasp]

thts an understatement

[tawny flower]

I’m making one for Rem and idk what to add. I think i chose wrong while climbing?

[jade gull]

my current advise for new accounts is just running gg with blue totems or no totems

[tawny flower]

I just yolo’d it

[paper wasp]

oh yeah. he got lucky and got zolrath early so now he has access to that collection

[tawny flower]

Oh that’s why I have this?

Cuz I saw I could only access one

[paper wasp]

yeah. you need a certain hero to unlock them.

[tawny flower]

And I imagine this is good cuz im going to eventually get Rem in a few days

[jade gull]

this is only good for ts

[tawny flower]

Oh

[paper wasp]

which is good for him

[tawny flower]

It can be

[paper wasp]

soon

[tawny flower]

Yuh

[jade gull]

pve ur regular artifacts r gonna be better

[tawny flower]

I only have dura’s grace tihi

Stuck on ch 7

[paper wasp]

righto. i gotta do some things so ill let you too at it

[tawny flower]

Tihi ty

[jade gull]

[tawny flower]

What is gg and totems?

Gg is this collection run thingy probably?

[jade gull]

gg is this new system goulish gallaery

[tawny flower]

Totems are rhose things i wished for

[jade gull]

yeap

[tawny flower]

I just used 3 blue ones

[jade gull]

good idea!

[tawny flower]

Cuz imagine the legendary ones are rare

Do I etch this?

[jade gull]

very! save them. save the purple lvl up for now too

[tawny flower]

Okki

[jade gull]

what other stats do u have?

u want stuff like atk pp on rem

[tawny flower]

First 2 is atk runes i imagine

I tried to take the ones on the guide

I only have ty and crit if im correct

[jade gull]

prf is also atk runes

anything with hexagonal border is offensive runes, anythng with round border is defensive

[tawny flower]

I see

I’m just wondering if I waste resources if i etch this

Can i undo?

[jade gull]

crit, gold prf, purple prf, is, ty, purple hp, blue hp

[tawny flower]

Or am i permanently fucked like my e30 thoran

[jade gull]

this is something u can make 7 times a week

so if this isnt good just make another one

but that red crit is real good

[tawny flower]

Oh

Hell yea!

Idk how i climbed either

I just spammed through

[jade gull]

spamming worked

[tawny flower]

I imagine you try to collect correct runes in there?

[jade gull]

yeap

[tawny flower]

Fuck

[tawny flower]

Fun fact i did this just now

[jade gull]

try to stick to getting the better stats (runes). such as atk pp is

[tawny flower]

Before you told me tihi

Yea

[jade gull]

[tawny flower]

Like dis?

[jade gull]

nonono gold ty

[tawny flower]

Had to swap is and one offensive rune

Whoops done

[jade gull]

red>gold>purple>blue>green in terms of how good they are

[tawny flower]

Okki tihi ty

[jade gull]

[tawny flower]

Do i etch it ?

[jade gull]

swap into the right stats first and then etch it

[jade gull]

red crit, gold prf, purple prf, blue is, gold ty, purple hp, blue hp

that IS should be blue

[tawny flower]

Done

[jade gull]

[tawny flower]

Boom done

[jade gull]

try to always stick to the higher rank stats unless its a terrible/useless stat

[tawny flower]

Do I just wish whenever

[jade gull]

try to do even amount of both. the oculus (mage) one is very widely used

[tawny flower]

Okki. I might need it since the red one is for ts?

I dont use totems and do runs now I fuess?

[jade gull]

u dont have to use totems for runs. could do blank runs as well

u want to draw enough staffs to unlock the wishlist as soon as possible

[tawny flower]

Oki i spam it

[jade gull]

[tawny flower]

I just got these 2

Are those permanent and can I change them?

[jade gull]

u can equip them and unequip them just like how artifacts were

not permanent

[tawny flower]

Ok ty

Maybe i can climb now

[jade gull]

[tawny flower]

Fodder heroes cant use them…?

Fk

[jade gull]

yeah prob not. they dont have arti slot i think

[tawny flower]

Thanks for the help tihi

[jade gull]

[tawny flower]

Im clombing, the extra stats is helping @jade gull

[jade gull]

[untold sandal]

Solise eating good today

[iron flax]

Which gold totems are the optimal ones to use up first trying to get to 40 used?

[jade gull]

The ones who that use the word switch in their description

[iron flax]

Are any of the purple totems worth keeping other than level up?

[hasty marlin]

🤮

[tame topaz]

Either one better for aSafiya?

i'm getting absolutely no luck on this stuff

[sinful bronze]

If i went for miracle worker + farewell gift, is that a guaranteed +2?

[grizzled grotto]

No, the only guaranteed +2 is with custom skill scroll + gift & worker

Worker just doubles the base chance of it spawning

[sinful bronze]

@grizzled grotto how do you get a custom skill scroll?

[grizzled grotto]

Look in the new explore section

[junior ingot]

which totems should i use to get the passive buff?

[junior ingot]

Is this any good?

[pearl juniper]

on Naroko especially

[sweet folio]

For TS at least, naroko will want is and prof for cr

[zealous forge]

To make it lv3, do you need x2 lv totems? Or just luck?

[sweet folio]

you need miracle worker which lets you put both in, then you usually use farewell gift to get 1 guaranteed, so you just need to get lucky on one more

if you get 2 +1 skill without miracle worker you can't use both

[zealous forge]

About Mircale Worker i know, tysm sir

And from the guide, DR is CDR?

And 1 more question, for rem Wich should be better? 🥲

[grizzled grotto]

DR is DR

[jade gull]

DMG Resist is DR

[zealous forge]

Tyy :3

[jade gull]

[shrewd bronze]

yo chat is ERR erosion?

[sweet folio]

Energy regen

[shrewd bronze]

oh thanks gang 💋

bruh are u even gay if u dont kiss back

[jade gull]

[shrewd bronze]

bro i havent seen a single ERR since i unlocked gg

do i need to use totems

should i use im tryna make ashem collection

[jade gull]

err for ashem isnt as important as hp for ashem

[shrewd bronze]

which for rem?

[shrewd bronze]

ty!

[tawny flower]

for emilia tihi. Is this any good

[hollow jolt]

No reds

So not really

Choices look fine tho

[hollow jolt]

Gaze mehira btw

Or get her from unlimited

I usually use the charm one for emilia but this one occasionally

[hollow jolt]

Lol just wait and use 3 gold for rem. She really wants +1.

[hollow jolt]

Between those two.. bottom one looks nicer

More dmg and tenacity

[hollow jolt]

No don't use gold totems without miracle worker and make sure you know wtf you're doing

Use blues for now

Save all golds and probly save purples till you figure it out too

[hollow jolt]

I'm not even sure either of those are better than the free +1 one. It's probably pretty close lmao.

[tawny flower]

rem wants this one righT?

[hollow jolt]

Rem wants the free +1 shadow dancer until you use 3 golds to make her something really good

[tawny flower]

no idea what that means tihi. Is that the one in the pin?

[hollow jolt]

Whether to use saurus collection or zolrath at that point is arguable imo. I think saurus is probly better, but it also could be situational.

[hollow jolt]

You get a free shadow dancer after 3 runs done with ghoulish

[tawny flower]

oh

Im one off then

[hollow jolt]

Yeah

Either way if you want a good collection for rem it needs +1 and I don't think it's worth spamming blues praying for one atm. But then again, you don't got much better to do...

XD

[tawny flower]

True and idk what +1 even is tihi

[hollow jolt]

Skill+1

[tawny flower]

like this?

no

[hollow jolt]

You could make a zolrath collection and look for like full atk

[tawny flower]

oki. I'm using blues again. this is zolrath yea?

[hollow jolt]

And skill+1 if it shows

Yea

[tawny flower]

does it drop like those urnes+

[hollow jolt]

Yeah it drops

Rng

[tawny flower]

oh oki

and onme of tthe totems guarantees/increases chance?

[hollow jolt]

I say full atk cause you can use it on nara

[tawny flower]

Also do heroes get SI/engraving/furn on this ?

[hollow jolt]

There is a gold totem that gives you a guaranteed level up yes. Don't use that yet

[tawny flower]

oh nok

[hollow jolt]

Si furn engrave are separate systems

[tawny flower]

i mean like when I star up heroes

[hollow jolt]

M unlocks si, A unlocks furn, 1 star unlocks engrave

[tawny flower]

In GG

[hollow jolt]

more stars unlocks stats is all

is GG a diff game?

[tawny flower]

this mode where u get collections

[hollow jolt]

OH

OHHHHH

[tawny flower]

yea. Like do I put in A alna, A grez etc

[hollow jolt]

You can see for yourself

but yes

si and furn are all maxed out (si30 and 9f) immediately when unlocked

[tawny flower]

i can check the image i gues yea

oh ok good

[hollow jolt]

engrave takes 3 upgrades

[tawny flower]

noted, thanks man

[hollow jolt]

np

[tawny flower]

what other than full atk?

[hollow jolt]

well i recommended full atk to use it on nara or other chump units

🤔

[tawny flower]

combine 3 to make higher tier

[hollow jolt]

like nara

ig this works on jerome too

erosion+heal+LL

[tawny flower]

okki ty

[hollow jolt]

The stat you end up with on combine is one of the three randomly

i usualllly combine the worse stats to avoid destructing the good ones

[tawny flower]

yup.I 've gotten realllly good runes on this one

[hollow jolt]

nice 😮

[tawny flower]

some are good

[jade gull]

nice

[hollow jolt]

erosion worthless on warriors no?

or is there life loss warriors?

[tawny flower]

that one was random. I'm swapping if i can

[hollow jolt]

yeah get rid of erosion and mp

[jade gull]

mp is meh. ers kinda have to look into what warriors have it

should be pinned

[tawny flower]

im trying to get something for rem or something

[hollow jolt]

lol there are intelligence warriors?

Yeah there's 0 intelligence warriors

[tawny flower]

combination again. Can i do ismp and something aelse?

[hollow jolt]

MP is 10000% useless

[jade gull]

tam/abrut/nara can use ers

[hollow jolt]

combine 3 orange. MP+HP+IS maybe

what floor is it?

[tawny flower]

8 or 9

I think maybe 9

[hollow jolt]

yeah combine those 3

[tawny flower]

yea that's what I thought

[hollow jolt]

and hope for a swap/refresh

[tawny flower]

I just gotta ask so I can get some ideas on how to play forward tihi

[hollow jolt]

xD

[tawny flower]

oh god

it gave me MP

OKAAy

i got swap

whaat to swap?

[hollow jolt]

nice

[tawny flower]

TY maybe?

[hollow jolt]

MP dmg resist

[hollow jolt]

ye

[tawny flower]

okay really good run

[hollow jolt]

Pog

[jade gull]

nice!

[tawny flower]

thoughts?

[hollow jolt]

cbr over hp

[tawny flower]

oki

nothing else yea?

i like this one

look good ngl

[hollow jolt]

yea

good job

[tawny flower]

no +1 but whatever

[hollow jolt]

yeah its fine

[tawny flower]

how do i lose this? is it not permanent?

[hollow jolt]

? why would you lose it

use it on Rem

[tawny flower]

i got conufsed

they are perma?

[hollow jolt]

? yea

[tawny flower]

oh

cool

[hollow jolt]

you can sell it for 100 gems but dont sell that

[tawny flower]

yae fairs

is the abilities random? this seems solid

[hollow jolt]

nope they're hardcoded

on the free collections

[tawny flower]

oh I see

[hollow jolt]

that one is good for rem for a long time

[tawny flower]

hell yea. Just gotta wait until tomrrow tihi

[hollow jolt]

eventually you can make a better one, but id use this one for now

[tawny flower]

yup

[hollow jolt]

you'll need saurus anyways, and 3 gold totems

[tawny flower]

what does 3 gold totems do?

[hollow jolt]

miracle worker, the guaranteed +1 one, and probably the pp/dmg resist one

for rem

[tawny flower]

oh oki

[tawny flower]

maybe get sweep first

[hollow jolt]

Helps you make good collections

like that one

[tawny flower]

damn that loosk nasty

[hollow jolt]

yeah im happy with it

[tawny flower]

yea it looks pretty good.

[hollow jolt]

Miracle worker gives 1 extra slot for stats and increases the base stats by 50%
There's a guaranteed lvl up gold totem.
And then one that gives you extra pp/dmg resist

[tawny flower]

Yea I read through them. I dont have that specific one yet though

[runic gate]

if I have questions related to ghoulish gallery, am I supposed to ask them here? or in #classic-questions

[hollow jolt]

yeah there's a wishlist that will unlock and you can pick a guaranteed one on right side in mystic gallery every so often

usually pick miracle worker

[tawny flower]

will do good sir

[hollow jolt]

cause +1 slot and +50% base stats is just too good

plus if you get 2 skill ups, you cant use them without miracle worker slot

[tawny flower]

oh yea I can se that

[hollow jolt]

and some of the collections do like skill+2

[runic gate]

in order to achieve a level +2, should I put 2 skill ups or just one?

[hollow jolt]

+2 shadow dancer is really bad for rem imo, but the extra slot is great 😄

[tawny flower]

ææ will do ok i

[jade gull]

both would do

[hollow jolt]

depends how bad you want +2 ig

[jade gull]

^^

[hollow jolt]

dont put purple skill up on a gold run

imo

[runic gate]

hmmm

[hollow jolt]

bc you'll get less reds and you probably wont get 2nd skill up anyways

because they made it disgustingly rare... i need to read into the new custom skill thing and see how that interacts with +2 collections

because that might be the way to go to make a +2

[runic gate]

hmmm

[hollow jolt]

keep in mind of some of the +2s arent even that good. Like I dont think I'd even waste a slot on +2 shadow dancer for rem

[runic gate]

I'm looking at an excel file rn

and a lof of them have +2's

[hollow jolt]

Like it heals her after she ults, but shes already max hp after she ults, lol

Yeah that's why it says +1 for rem

[runic gate]

yep

[tawny flower]

um

[runic gate]

I was looking at palmer's do I really use a level up

for him

[tawny flower]

did u tell me to do a run with full PRf @hollow jolt with the mage ability?

[hollow jolt]

sure

insight good too if you do that

[tawny flower]

cuz i accidenlty did one now

[hollow jolt]

cool

[hollow jolt]

if noone higher prio

[hollow jolt]

Pog

[tawny flower]

mehira charm in gg tihi

[hollow jolt]

i mean palmer is pretty low on that list. i doubt you get +2 on the ones above him first

[hollow jolt]

LOL i thought that was campaign for a sec

and was like WTF

[tawny flower]

nah not yet

randomly dropping 1000 dollars

[hollow jolt]

Lol you'd have to make so many mistakes for that to be your campaign team that i dont even xD

🤣

[tawny flower]

eyo be respectful to my fatty

[hollow jolt]

Bro

that fat dude dueled my 30930 ashem for 40 seconds straight in campaign and made me lose on timeout

🤣

[tawny flower]

yea exactly

isnt he a boss in tr?

[hollow jolt]

i mean he cheated by being like 160+ levels above her but still lol

[tawny flower]

nah that's valid tihi. Should I swap atk here for prf?

[hollow jolt]

Mmmm

no

swap erosion out

for something, i cant see

or

yeah swap erosion

[tawny flower]

something defensive?

[hollow jolt]

prf

we go hard

XD

pick a green prf

[tawny flower]

i assume i keep the full atk?

[shrewd bronze]

@hollow jolt i think i sold the free one 😭

[hollow jolt]

sure

[hollow jolt]

wtf xD

you sure?

[shrewd bronze]

rio

[hollow jolt]

you have to do 3 runs to get the +1 shadow dancer

[shrewd bronze]

ive done like 20

[hollow jolt]

lol and you dont have it?

[valid helm]

I don't know what's wrong, if I do sweeps, I don't appear to get any mythic abilities at all, two runs in a row.

[shrewd bronze]

ill check in the momring

[valid helm]

Maybe sweeping gives worse abilities than manual runs.

[shrewd bronze]

morning

[hollow jolt]

lol not that rare

oh 3 purple tho? ouch

[valid helm]

Yeah.

[hollow jolt]

unlucky

[hollow jolt]

If you use 36 gold totems, then you get a skill+1 card you can use. I just read up on it

blech

at least that gets you a +2 if you use it with the miracle worker and guaranteed level up

also seems they have a system to encourage use of the garbage gold totems

might prio that for a bit

Like why tf does that exist? 🤣

[runic gate]

oh okay thanks

when I'm done with all my golds

[hollow jolt]

too small, cant read

[runic gate]

do I just do blue ones to sell them for diams?

[hollow jolt]

i mean if you legit want to sell them, you dont have to use blues

[runic gate]

I dont see any scenarios where I can make a good artifact for any of my characters using blue

[hollow jolt]

then dont bother using blues ig

you can combine 500 blues for a gold.. its bleh rate but you can

weird i think discord attachments are just fked up right now

[runic gate]

so like if I dont put money or wait a bit for free pulls, artifacts I farm are useless?

[wet citrus]

Zoom in?

[hollow jolt]

discord attachements seem to be fked up right now. i have one guide i messaged myself too that i KNOW is good and i cant read it either

[wet citrus]

Open in browser doesnt work either?

[hollow jolt]

bruh

[wet citrus]

[runic gate]

zoom in, with ctrl + scroll wheel?

[hollow jolt]

click zoom in on browser

[wet citrus]

Reddit link in pins above should be the same

[hollow jolt]

still horrid lol

yeah i blame discord

[tawny flower]

pretty sure these pictures are png which in essence iirc they pic quality wont decrease by much when you zoom in as long ast he resolution aint shit

[hollow jolt]

yeah resolution is shit because discord decided to butcher it for no reason

Really you guys can expand them just fine?

[runic gate]

yeah

[hollow jolt]

...

[runic gate]

how comes this is 1 star I still dont understand the level up system at all

I haven't used any level ups on it

[hollow jolt]

cuz 1 star is base

2 stars is +1, 3 stars is +2

[runic gate]

ohh

[hollow jolt]

lol the guide you put calls it "base", "LVL 1" and "LVL2"

[runic gate]

I dont think i've come across a single 3 stars yet

[hollow jolt]

you dont get a 3rd empty star unless you put miracle worker

because you literally cant slot skill+1 twice otherwise

[viscid sail]

I've been getting this feeling too but I also don't have any stats to back it

[hollow jolt]

Idk why they hide it like that, it makes things more confusing

[hollow jolt]

Psychology

Manual is more work and also it's kind of ridiculous that manual is completely troll to use, so we want to think it's good for something 🤣

[viscid sail]

well I mean I personally got a lot better collections running manually and when I sweep I come up with no reds over half the time

[hollow jolt]

But I highly doubt manual is better

Unless Lilith is trolling us

And they'd get hard backlash for sure if quick was actually worse

I don't see any benefit to them to making quick explore worse without telling anyone

People already mad enough about the system as it is lmao

What stats does daemia want? mp?

i cant expand any guides 🤣

[jolly vessel]

fatk atk dr, fhp, fbuff

[hollow jolt]

cause i got a charm collection with this nonsense, debating if mp is worth even keeping

i think MP not great for emilia 😦

cause she does so much life loss

[viscid sail]

I have a warrior collection that trolled me by giving me two reds...mp and is...

[hollow jolt]

lol nice

[viscid sail]

no chance to swap em either

[jolly vessel]

gz

[hollow jolt]

i have a swap right now

[viscid sail]

if they ever release a cc-focused int warrior I am set

[hollow jolt]

debating to refresh MP

[jolly vessel]

can you open this image?

[hollow jolt]

im on mehira collection

[viscid sail]

I would avoid refreshing MP if its on a mage collection

MP is still good for a lot of things and if you refresh it and get like...f. buffer

[hollow jolt]

mmm fine

[viscid sail]

you're going to hate yourself

[jolly vessel]

lol

[hollow jolt]

i'll refresh full hp ig

this collection is garbage anyways 🤣

i used 3 trash golds

[viscid sail]

when deciding what to refresh I usually ask myself if it has at least a 50% chance of getting better when I refresh it

[hollow jolt]

Fair

[viscid sail]

sometimes that also means refreshing a lower-tier ability

[hollow jolt]

yeah i got garbage

[viscid sail]

in your scenario I would go for the yellow full buffer

[hollow jolt]

i used 3 garbage golds XD

[jolly vessel]

yeesh

[hollow jolt]

np lol

[viscid sail]

yeah that collection really sucks considering you used golds on it

[hollow jolt]

I used the golds that swap elite and lower skills with other skills

[viscid sail]

ah

[hollow jolt]

cause those seem absolutely worthless

trying to pump my explore buffs up

[viscid sail]

they're not totally worthless but yeah they're...not really the same tier as other golds. or even some of the purples.

[hollow jolt]

lol theyd be less worthless if they even picked good skills to swap to 🤣

[viscid sail]

I mean there are some good skills it could theoretically swap to....ah I don't know why I'm trying to defend them lol

[hollow jolt]

oh farara wrote an interesting guide i see

interesting

[jolly vessel]

so +2 is just rng at the end?

[hollow jolt]

once you burn 36 golds, you get a guaranteed skill+1 card

you can use that to make a guaranteed +2 collection

[jolly vessel]

wowow

[hollow jolt]

otherwise yeah you just put the miracle worker and guaranteed lvl up totem and +100% lvl up and pray

[viscid sail]

huh I usually take the +3% ones and combine them into a purple because they seem pretty garbage

I might rethink doing my 2-blue runs

[hollow jolt]

yeah i might rething a lot base on this

kinda regret burning my 3 golds just now but not really 🤣

[viscid sail]

well

[hollow jolt]

they were pretty garbo

[viscid sail]

I need to burn golds to get the guaranteed reds at at some point

[hollow jolt]

yeah

though i feel like once you burn that many golds, the f2p rewards start to run out 🤣

kinda nasty

[viscid sail]

because I wishlist miracle + gift +2, I'm not going to get any more of the trash gold totems and I need to burn 16 more golds

yeah that's kinda how I feel as f2p

on the one hand doing it quickly means you get the enhancement sooner

[hollow jolt]

i think they'll address it somewhat

[viscid sail]

on the other hand I have to burn literally almost everything I have to get it

[hollow jolt]

by adding the staffs into more game modes

[viscid sail]

cause that worked so well for mystic starzone

[hollow jolt]

lmao

im not defending anything, just saying

[viscid sail]

although let's be honest the reason people got mad about mystic starzone is mostly because they didn't post % drop rates for the individual items, making it a huge slap in the face when the gen 1 awakened chests basically didn't exist and getting enough gen 2 awakened piece chests to get one copy was harder than expected

plus then they made the drop rates worse instead of better

[hollow jolt]

yeah makes sense

[sweet folio]

plus it's a boring af mode that requires constant attention if your opponents are active

[viscid sail]

"boring af mode that requires lots of attention" seems to be the current modus operandi

between gallery, starzone, and infi summons there's a lot of pressure to spend more time in the game

even with adding eugene to the guild coin shop that means that skipping a few days of guild hunt is much more punishing than it had been

[hollow jolt]

I figured it out

my browser was on 25% zoom LOL

I guess that made it just want to eat images

[hollow jolt]

Lmao should I make 3 red insight collection for emilia/damia/ldv?

oh wait i cant xD

+48 insight still lol

[late haven]

Heya folks. Late in an eye run and got a swap. Anyone have opinions on ideal offensive stat layout for abel? CDA is available down below.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1176585043322347530/1193079676613185546/image.png

[grizzled grotto]

Should be CDA if no Palmer, Atk if with Palmer
Maybe Panda 18 makes CDA work with Palmer too

[late haven]

Do you think abel is used with palmer enough these days for overcapping to be a major concern in kraken usage?

[grizzled grotto]

She's still often used with Palmer for CR, overcapping shouldn't be a concern for TS

Even with Palmer in TS he won't even always ult

[jade gull]

🤝

[late haven]

Hmm. Since we're not gonna want to do multiple pimped out collections for one hero, would you rather commit to CDA or go ATK for all modes usage?

[grizzled grotto]

Personally I'd prob aim for all Atk% just for generalisability as a good stat. Atk% is also better for sorc like Emi or Mae that can't crit with health-loss

[late haven]

Would also scale Abel's own health loss, not sure how high impact that actually is

[grizzled grotto]

CDA should be slightly more dmg though

AwBel S2 health-loss is mostly relevant in Blue TS and Idre

[late haven]

Good to know, thanks

appreciate all the feedback

[grizzled grotto]

Idk if it matters for Idre but I assume it matters more when she can't ult

It's most of her dmg in Blue TS though

[late haven]

Yeah I noticed I was winning matches with her without her ulting lol

[late haven]

You know I completely forgot about Energy Recovery as an option. Too low a stat value to consider?

[grizzled grotto]

I think the general consensus is that ERR is such a small number that you generally don't want it on your dps but it works on non-stat reliant heroes (e.g. sust that don't CC or buff with their atk)

[late haven]

Makes sense

[grizzled grotto]

E.g. smth like Nev would give slightly more energy to allies due to more ultspam from ERR

It's kind of a weird stat

[jade gull]

🤝

[grizzled grotto]

Oh it's also better on multihit heroes due to rounding, but idk how relevant that aspect is

[late haven]

that sounds like some dark voodoo knowledge beyond my ken

[grizzled grotto]

I'm pretty sure it's not important
But it is a weird interaction
I noticed it on my Lib that has ERR because p.orbs hit pretty frequently and it turns their +1 energy into +2

[late haven]

probably not ideal defensives but still a solid run. just wish it was my account

[jade gull]

[grizzled grotto]

"Just wish it was my acc"

[late haven]

wait it straight up doubles the energy?

[uncut hedge]

what a artifact

[grizzled grotto]

It rounds up weirdly, so +1 doesn't become a decimal it becomes 2

[jade gull]

oh something fun i noticed if any of you guys ever wanna try it out. on the scarlet nc round, f.buffer does some significant difference on how stable the round gives 20s ish for me. buffer has been a meh stat so far but not much have been tried out with em

[grizzled grotto]

Which is only relevant to super fast hitting heroes because doubling 1 is still only a tiny gain

[late haven]

super interesting, thanks

[grizzled grotto]

I'm pretty sure it's still too small of a boost but it's a cool bit of trivia

[late haven]

does it increase his ult speed at all or is he cooldown capped there or something anyway?

[grizzled grotto]

It should increase his ult speed as normal

Which would matter more for TS

[jovial jackal]

As she crits a lot, cda is a great - mine with double cda and panda can destroy maxed ashem 5-0 most of the time

[late haven]

Is that with the gavus comp? doesn't abel normally win that anyway?

good to know though, I'll do some testing, thanks 🙂

[jovial jackal]

not guaranteed

A lot of factors could even cause always lose

[late haven]

Good to know, thanks

[sweet folio]

7 more garbage collections this week

Fun game mode

[grave jolt]

at least now u can do that fast.. anyway 7 collections, only in total 3 reds is a kekw

I still hope they remove green and blue tier from floor 7+. Its a joke getting it that late

[runic harness]

yea they should really do that

[brave shuttle]

Which ones should I put in?

Also which hero is number one priority

[jade gull]

Top 2 prio for totems r miracle worker and farewell gift. The other two r up to u. I put the ones that give pp and the one that give mp

[indigo sequoia]

Is there any “explain it to me like I’m 5” description of the new collection level system, and recommendations on how to actually use it?

[grizzled grotto]

Good stats are good, good stats with big number are gooder
Get lots of big numbers and it becomes goodest
Use them because they're good

[rare turtle]

[sweet folio]

saev all legendary until you have enough junk legendaries to get max lvl (40 I think) then you can do some swag runs (miracle worker + farewell gift + X)

[indigo sequoia]

[grizzled grotto]

Max explore lvl is after 80 L but that'd take a year+ for a non-whale, explore lvl2 is fine enough as a safety net at 40 used

[indigo sequoia]

Hmm - from the level description it sounds like you get the levels unlocked if you use any totem (not just legendary) right? So we would open level 1 in week 1, level 2 in week 2, and level 3 in week 4?

[grizzled grotto]

Also Gift kinda functions weirdly with Explore in that the skill +1 it gives counts as an M stat before Explore checks, therefore it functionally lowers your explore by 1 lvl

[grizzled grotto]

It's L only for both scrolls & explore lvl

[sweet folio]

That sounds like a bug, did you/someone report it

[indigo sequoia]

Oh, rip. Any reason to save trash Ls, or just start using to build up cumulatively towards 40?

[grizzled grotto]

People have but the support ss I saw they didn't even understand the report

[indigo sequoia]

And how are the “custom skill scrolls” used?