#Fix pet companions.

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obsidian lance
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can we all agree part of the anger is HOW powerful doot is its not like +1 link per toon compared to a free palyer its ALL ALWAYS and a in sane rng that means basicly no free to pay will get it. unless the 4 rare are not going to rotate only the commons

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if doot was a fair bonus it would be just another rng feature that annoying like the arcade balls and chips. this rage is in part is how unfair this make the game and even those willing to pay can get it for sure so its not a goal anyone can really make you either roll the dice till you get it no matter how much or get used to just never being able to keep up at all

fallow frost
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I think most agreed to that sentiment some 4000 comments ago

last basin
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Now I'm wondering what bonuses the other pets are going to have

lyric otter
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arcade balls were easy to ignore cause they bonuses were bad, so not a lot of people whaled

last basin
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And how the other future updates are going to be made because the power creep just turned into a spike

last basin
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You just need to be charming enough

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Hue hue

fallow frost
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arcade balls at least do give back as you keep grinding it; I just wish that shop rotated per weekly or monthly schedule instead of erratic per update schedule

lyric otter
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cause you can still whale them, most people dont complain cause its not particularly important

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can't really pretend you have better monetization then mobile games when you're still willing to let people fork over tons of money even for bad stuff

last basin
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They are but you can also buy them so if you do have the urge to get things you can drop a good amount of money still

tacit prairie
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yeah but there is no incentive

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arcade drops are hot garbage and you get enough for free

leaden haven
last basin
tacit prairie
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yeah.....okay?

lyric otter
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I think when it comes to MTX its always worth consider how much someone -could- spend, not whether or not they should or how good of an idea it is

tacit prairie
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still not even comparable. every player in the game wants doot and would probably drop money if had the chance

lyric otter
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Doot is definitely worse then Arcade

fallow frost
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eg, no: I dont want doot enough to drop money, even though I make few thousand spare per month after every housing cost and food costs

last basin
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When one more is never enough

fallow frost
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yh, if its wild gacha, I will not directly spend for it, one more is one more too many

radiant glacier
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Am i wrong or is the increase through pulling more pets at the Maximum only a 0.006 increase gem wise?

0.85 % 250 - 0.28%100

Thats a freaking low increase...

mystic prawn
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has there been a blue post since this great update landed

leaden haven
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nope

mystic prawn
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noice

leaden haven
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just one

mystic prawn
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the green blue excuse?

leaden haven
mystic prawn
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yea that one ty

royal coral
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why did the original message get deleted

nocturne pagoda
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Still playing dead I see

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pov you're Lava

tall oar
royal coral
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it just came back it legit said deleted for a bit

dark laurel
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well it kinda makes sense, blue gems probably didnt ever need to be server side because they are for personal buffs, something like the green gems has to be secure to not ruin the only trading system in the game

nocturne pagoda
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then make blue gems pets untradable like a million person already suggested ?

dark laurel
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if there was ever an exploit for blue gems and they were able to be used for the companions the whole system would be irreperibly destroyed

nocturne pagoda
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the technology to make untradable pets is there since free pets are untradable

dark laurel
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idk how any of the coding works but im assuming its not that simple

last basin
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I mean he uses Scratch wasn't it?

dark laurel
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also it would kinda defeat the purpose of them being tradeable if you were able to buy them with blue gems and they werent tradeable

fallow frost
patent badger
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who even asked for this type of trading in the first place though

last basin
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It isn't pure programming it's more like legos with programing wasn't it?

patent badger
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it is what it is lets all be doomed to suffer

nocturne pagoda
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don't be fooled

last basin
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From what I seen it was like visual basic

dark laurel
royal coral
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this one for a sec

nocturne pagoda
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trading was just implemented to have an excuse to make a new premium currency

patent badger
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but thats just me

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some people might have liked it if it was like that

dark laurel
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right thats just you, i wouldnt expect most of the complainers to feel that way

last basin
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He has talked about doing more things to make it a more multiplayer game

patent badger
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they for sure would have liked it way more than how it is now

nocturne pagoda
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blue gems or green gems, I would probably not have engaged in trading since multiplayer things are always a pain in the arse in this game

dark laurel
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people love new/social mechanics as long as they get a seat at the table

patent badger
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but seeing how blue gems are exploitable

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it wouldnt be ideal

last basin
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Trading requires multiple people so it's not surprising

fallow frost
last basin
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Oh I know programming. Went to college for it and yeah there is structure to it and everything I know. Static void main

dark laurel
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i dont think its impossible to find a more interactive f2p option for this but i dont think its easy, i think it would be best to try to think of constructive ideas that sound fun and reasonable

patent badger
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my opinion of the game after this update is static void hahaha

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imm waiting to see what happens

last basin
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Things like scratch and visual basic make it more drag and drop/piece together

dark laurel
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hot take i think most of the public feedback is overreacting over this update

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people just dont like seeing other people have a chance to get ahead of them with a p2p-only option

patent badger
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my issue with it is probably lava going against his own words by doing things he said he'd never do then deleting the part of description where he said he wouldn't do such things

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i didn't take it as a promise either way, but it kinda feels meh

last basin
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I don't like seeing a gacha mechanic in a game that promised not to do these sorts of things. One of the reasons I played this game

dark laurel
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do you remember what it is he said

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i dont think the promise is what you all cared about, the actions taken are

patent badger
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he said he's not relying on usual predatory company practices and this game wont be p2w like others

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then he deleted that after people screenshoted and sent it here

dark laurel
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i think its more fair to say "something like this hasnt ever really been done before by him so its very shocking that this is the direction hes taking" as opposed to "he made a promise and broke it"

fallow frost
patent badger
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it is shocking

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im in disgust in fact but i accepted it

dark laurel
patent badger
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i left a non toxic nice review just stating i dont like it

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and i think that should be enough from me right

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yes, i still do think we gotta wait and see how all this unfolds

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its still very early

last basin
dark laurel
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dont lose hope, there is a possibility that it changes for f2p players

patent badger
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hope is all i have left man

surreal kayak
patent badger
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its not like i never spent money on this i did spend around 100 dollars, played since day one and supported him

dark laurel
surreal kayak
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that's a lot of copium

last basin
patent badger
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i just know, for me, spending on this right now is not a good decision for me

surreal kayak
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not like it wasn't known while he was implementing this that this is insanely p2w

patent badger
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game was going really really well actually

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he was making great updates

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until this one

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this one just doesn't have any real content to it though

last basin
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Yeah I'm done putting money into the game and may stop playing for abit tbh

patent badger
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its just bonuses, one free per week, way to pay to get it, possibility to miss out on it (we dont know it fully yet if the rotations will happen multiple times, but they likely will)

unkempt cedar
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this is so pathetic, I bought some green gems. Only to realize later how predatory and bad this update is.

last basin
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I mean some of his other updates have been questionable but not this disliked

patent badger
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yeah this is probs the most disliked update ever

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im just gonna wait for lavas response to everything

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and see what we got from there

surreal kayak
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hope we get anything soon

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transparency is important

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esp for community trust after such a blunder

neon bloom
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Lava gonna hide and count his stacks

last basin
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Time will tell what happens. Like you said we need to wait and see how Lava responds to determine how things go

patent badger
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you know maybe lava like most of us is addicted to seeing numbers go up

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and hes been trapped into staring at his bank account

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i mean game made it pretty far on top sellers

rugged agate
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Yup

last basin
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If I ever make a game can everyone make sure I don't go down this route

rugged agate
patent badger
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no its sorted by revenue

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damn you guys in here actually nice and civil

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good chat y'all

granite rover
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Almost 800 upvotes

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A Legend was wispered thruout the land

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It was Legend of Hope
It was Legend of Wish

fallow frost
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in thread that also is most commented feedback thread in history

granite rover
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That once the YES counter reacher 1000 or 1111 that the Big Boy LavaFlame 2 shall finally fix this utter destruction he caused

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By makeing the free pet cooldown 3 days instead of 7, and that it will now cost blue gems to unlock

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That Legend is called.....

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The Legend of Idleon

radiant ravine
granite rover
fallow frost
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Sadly, at moment its legend of Idleoff

granite rover
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We are eather 199 or 310 away from the Legend we shall see what was of the Legends of Idleon true or False

flint meadow
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imari tard

winter hill
gray gale
sinful willow
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"Too f2p friendly" what does that even mean

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How is that supposed to be a bad thing lol

last basin
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It's either a troll or someone who likes flaunting their money cause that's their personality. That's what I think at least

rare mist
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ngl, if I saw a review praising a game for an update that made it finally stop being "too f2p friendly" I'd instantly not want to play that game

last basin
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I mean yeah. Could be reverse psychology but idk

rare mist
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honestly what I was half-thinking

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because otherwise they're shooting themself in the foot

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and the game too

last basin
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Maybe Lava thought giving such good buffs would make people overlook what he's doing with gacha and he didn't know it would backfire this badly

lime marsh
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Tbh it was at the point the w4 1 M kill achievements that I started doubting the future of this game

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Then Vman happened...... then this

last basin
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The later in the game the more he decided to go the money route it feels like

novel pewter
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Unfortunately humans by nature are greedy and without anyone to counter balance that things happen

gloomy temple
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I knew something paid was coming out, based on how much he emphasised on previous updates being free. Just didn’t realise it would be this severe

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nocturne pagoda
rare mist
last basin
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I mean he just seems more narcissistic than anything tbh with that

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The image i mean

gloomy temple
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Either he has seen the feedback and is remedying a solution before going public, or he has given up on the future of the game and is seeing how much more juice he can get before moving on

last basin
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Maybe waiting for it to blow over too

gloomy temple
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Will it? I can’t think of a precedent to this kind of update

rare mist
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ha ha good luck with that one

upbeat lily
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pretty sure lava intentionally emphasized the fact that a lot of updates have been free to soften the blow to the community, unfortunately we aren’t mindless drones

gloomy temple
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That’s like applying a layer of tissue paper to a car before crushing it

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Surely there was another way of implementing a less severe p2w system

upbeat lily
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there was

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but notice how he stopped acting like this chill guy

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after this he knows he can’t just trick us into thinking he’s this down to earth fsir man

gloomy temple
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Make green gems VERY slowly farmable, and don’t rotate the companions. I guarantee all the whales and dolphins still spend money, and no one is too mad

last basin
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We may never know. Can never know why someone does something unless they tell us

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And even then we don't know if they are truthful

lyric otter
gloomy temple
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Definitely still scummy, and people will be annoyed. But at least long term FOMO aspect is gone. You can’t remove king doot or make him easy to obtain since people have spent money to obtain him. Only compromise is to make him a little easier to obtain and make him not rotate out.

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1-2 months for king doot would actually be decent, considering some people have to wait like 8 months for Choco chip or gamble in gem shop

wide totem
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GAMERS ARE UPSET

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(For real, grindable crystals plz)

rare mist
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Collected personal thoughts on the last day:
This whole thing just kinda sucks, y'all.
Been super into this game since I found it at the tail end of the 2021 holiday season and... haven't been a downright whale but I've been a dolphin most of that time, bought the special gem bundles whenever they've been available, partly because cool items and partly because I wanted to support the game.

And hell, I got great RNG on this, got all but rift slug with only crystals that came with the newest cape bundle (bought that the second the update dropped, assuming crystals would be accessible through play like gems, because none of us knew what was going on in those first few minutes). You'd think I'd be happy with that and call it a day, but I know enough basic statistics to know that I got ridiculous rolls and most people won't do nearly that well, and the way this system is set up price- and odds-wise and with the lack of a real pity system is really exploitative in a way that feels a bit out of left field relative to how the game's largely been up til now. Not to mention how utterly, incomparably game-breaking some of the bonuses are.
I don't like being negative about the game, I've mostly had a lot of fun up til now, but... man, this update makes me retroactively feel kinda bad for spending that money, I could've put that into novels/manga or a couple model kits or something.

novel pewter
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the fact that you can't get them freely is illegal in certain parts of the world

tall oar
novel pewter
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unfortunately the silence speaks volumes and is partly the reason we are in said situation a lack of communication on what was happening

paper crow
rare mist
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hhhyep...

lyric otter
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i mean, lava himself said it was just the beginning cause theres going to be more pets lol

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and probably shiny pets

rare mist
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Something something camel's nose something something tent, though this feels more like most of the head.

untold glen
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To try move forward lava could make it so every 10 rolls equals a new pet guaranteed. Roll it out retrospectively so people who have done 30+ are covered too.
If people have done 100+ they can claim pets from the next rotation

leaden haven
untold glen
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Exactly even a half assed compensation and an "oops my bad" would help get some of the community back on board.
Sad to see a fun game getting good traction (ath downloads and plays/day) get rekt by a cash grab

last basin
lapis viper
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for me the system would be fine with blue gems/a way to get some green gems. 2/3 rerolls a week and removeing the fomo aspect with them rotating out after 10 weeks and maybe never coming back or taking months to come back

wraith tapir
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Oh this died down

mystic prawn
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this 🧵 has quite a few messages

lyric otter
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"well thought out ideas and critiques" dont really matter when Lava doesnt seem to be addressing anything about the situation at all

tall oar
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Critique has been given, but we can all safely assume that it won't matter as we're getting more confident that this "feature" was planned all along with utmost certainty and confidence

lyric otter
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I dont think you can put the toothpaste back in the tube - any good solution is going to leave people mad

mystic prawn
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no easy answer

tall oar
lyric otter
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Pretty much

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might not make people happy

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but would look 1% better then radio silence

carmine sphinx
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He has to pretty much try but certainly will not be able truly compensate those that have spent money.

limber dawn
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The absolute lack of communication before pushing this out strongly suggest that a backlash was expected.
Probably not of this magnitude

lyric otter
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Ive bene posting plenty of constructive critisim here

tall oar
lyric otter
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For example: Trading is going to be an absolute mess, and will lead to scamming, account stealing, and out-of-game transactions

mystic prawn
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I fear the worst and uhh hope for slightly better than the worst

tall oar
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Perhaps

carmine sphinx
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The best solution that I have heard is - F2P Weekly Companion Roll guarantees new untradable Companion, not getting any duplicates and having each “cycle” run for as many weeks as there are pets allowing one to get them all. Green Gem rolls would allow for tradable duplicates that can be traded in weeks that one might miss a Companion; giving all the players who bought pets what they paid for but also now making them all achievable F2P

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I think it’s the best and only solution

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Also would like them nerfed

limber dawn
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Not sure how the people who spent thousands of dollars on this would feel about that

lyric otter
carmine sphinx
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@limber dawn game release things all the time that we’re previously pay for they would get their tradable pets

lyric otter
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the gacha is hella predatory and compeltely inexcusable from a dev who prides himself on not being like p2w mobile games

limber dawn
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I also believe there are laws in place preventing you from nerfing what people pulled in gacha

lyric otter
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i mean, there might be laws in place against doing gacha in certain ways in general

carmine sphinx
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Well maybe can’t nerf but can give the items to everyone/make them accessible in other ways if you paid so much so quickly thats on them

limber dawn
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People that are addicted to gambling exist.
That is the reality and just saying it's their fault isn't exactly the way this should be going

boreal tide
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Green gems should be either
Converted to normal gems and removed
or be able to farmed for the same way as blue gems

lyric otter
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Green gems are fine in a sense; its just the bottomless nature of the gacha that's really inexucable

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if Lava wanted to sell all the pets for like 25$ I think that wouldn't be quite so gross

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or if there was no dupes

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green gems are needed cause people found ways to cheat blue gems

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but Lava could just pull another autoloot

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and make it so you just pay for the pets, no gacha

boreal tide
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Green gems in a vacuum are kind of "no harm, no foul" depending on what they're used for.
If they could only be used to buy vanity items like premium hats (that don't give special bonuses) and nametags, they'd be fine.

carmine sphinx
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I don’t know what real argument someone could have to make all pets non duplicates each weekly roll, people that paid for green gems would still have their tradable pets and it’s not wrong for lava to realize that he messed up and make them all achievable. If you wanted to buy the companions the moment they came out one should have known that not everything has been figured out in what they will do and how they will function

lyric otter
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dont get me wrong, trading is going to be a mess and shouldnt happen

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but it has less to do with green gems and free pets and more about the problems trading adds to games

novel pewter
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remeber you can only trade cash bought pets so unless you invest money you can't even interact with the trading stuff as i doubt you can take without giving

limber dawn
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trading will never happen as people are already figuring out a way to cheat the system from what I heard

lyric otter
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pretty much

limber dawn
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Where did that message go Susge

lyric otter
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or people scaming noobs who don't know how valuable some pets are

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is Lava planning on adding 2FA to Idleon?

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Well at this point, people have arguably bought pets with the assumption trading will be added

last basin
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Yeah this pet trading system seems pointless the more you look at it

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40 pet slots and the odds of not having a pet if you already have doot are low so

carmine sphinx
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Trading is fine I think he needs to make it where you can’t pull a duplicate and allow enough weeks to get them all; people wanted Doot today got to try for him it wouldn’t be wronged as they still have the tradable pets they purchased, possibly including a king doot which they could trade for a different weeks pets. Everyone gets what they paid for; though I do understand some wouldn’t have purchased the pets if they were guaranteed, but those are not tradable and updates can happen that allow more access to things

last basin
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Why keep spares if you can't hold many?

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Because he's adding more pets later

lyric otter
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inventory cap might go up as more pets are added

carmine sphinx
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I am not saying the system will work well in getting the “tradable” high tier pets into the trading market; there would be this time for those who have purchased a bunch of green gems. But I think that over the course of many weeks one would hit the tradable high tier pet and would have to find a trading path to get what they need

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I don’t quite get how the trading would really work as people need to at least get some sort of free spin at those in some way otherwise they just won’t be on the market/very few

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I don’t think there are many risks as the people who purchased green gems were told that they were getting tradable companions, it never said that the free roll wouldn’t be reworked

lime marsh
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And keep in mind that boss tier companions will probably be similarly broken

novel pewter
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cries in baba yaga pet/companion

lime marsh
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Like making most combat cards passive, getting more salts by like 10x or smth

last basin
novel pewter
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^^

boreal tide
lyric otter
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I also remember thinking companions would be part of breeding - I don't think it was ever promised, but it seemed like an obvious conclusion

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the fact that companions are just reused from breeding/mobs also makes the system feel a bit... low effort? for how much money you can throw at it

limber dawn
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companions were originally planned with the release of w4 iirc.
If they ever were meant to be a part of breeding, that I don't know

novel pewter
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i wish it was more akin to a you could get the companion through gacha or you could use equivocal odds by "actively" farming said creature

hazy notch
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make pets have the same abilities but different looks, still have fomo / value but now its in the cosmetic look, or have a rotating bonus so that say, every 3 months the same bonuses come back into play but with different looks, older pets are rare / higher value, but you're not locking people out of powerful bonuses.

Then add a mercy cap, people shouldn't be paying $100's for stuff, after 50x spins in a given month you should have a full set, either by trading up lower rarities for higher ones at 1:2, or by making it so that you're guarenteed the top bonuses after X amount of spins, enough so that if you're buying one of the bigger/biggest packs you'll have everything, whilst f2p players can try their luck, this will still yield everything, just elongates the time span to months (similar to every mechanic in the game, becomes pay to skip rather than outright pay to win)

those two things combined and i think the system would be acceptable, but using Fomo with uncapped costs is just predatory psychology of the bad kind.

lyric otter
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If i were to revamp companions I'd ditch the bonuses, make it so you're paying for companion slots, companion slots let you bring breeding pets along with you, maybe it levels their shiny bonus as well.
But its way too late for that now.

last basin
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But that was past Lava

leaden haven
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bump

verbal flint
winter hill
glass fern
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can you even roll doot if W5 is not unlocked

burnt snow
steady orchid
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this was a painful, sobering, very good read. thanks for sharing

lime marsh
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^

ocean egret
novel osprey
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no way lava wants this to be the future of his game

crystal beacon
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Idleon is in the top grossing games currently on steam....lava is realizing the potential for throwing away trust for capital :/

novel osprey
crystal beacon
modest zenith
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Yeah become people are spending money they probably don’t have to get the best pet. And more he does not say anything the more people feel like they are and will miss out. 😦

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FOMO is hitting people hard. I didn’t get any of the good ones and I’m feeling it. But holding myself back since I can’t afford it.

zenith ore
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Still active?

steady orchid
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i got lucky with a moderately good pet and i feel bad anyhow, cause my friends didnt. i havent told them what i got cause i know they cant obtain it. i feel bad cause i know i will progress better than they will and it will cause a gap between us while we had been progressing about equal before. they will ask about my gains as before when we had fun debating the game, strategies, goals and how to optimize. and i will use something they dont have and cant achieve. this already started with gaming when some were just more lucky to roll new plants and otheres werent. the RNG aspect is killing the entire game experience taht made the game enjoyable for me and my friends in the past year

urban comet
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Hahahaha. Muting the guy that started this topic is crazy hahaha

steady orchid
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thy got muted again? 😅

upbeat lily
real karma
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Seems like things are starting to quiet down

novel osprey
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we cant let that happen

dapper relic
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I've not played this game long at all I only started about maybe last november and I have put money into the game cause in my opinion it was well worth the money and I really enjoyed playing, with this kinda change I see why its a big issue cause before hand you never really felt like you needed to put money towards this game but now the buffs these followers have is far to obsurd not to pay for and I dont mind "P2W" if its a set in stone kinda thing not % cause now you cant control what you get. Its one thing to have a rng system but to have a progressive RNG build up to increase your chances and also the amount of money each one costs per tier increase is not right and the F2P people are shot in the foot cause if its a time gated thing and it is only "10 weeks" they will only get 10 pets and a few of them will be copies of ones you already have, No one likes this update those that do have wallets and even then I doubt any of those people like this kinda thing in this game. Best thing I can say in my opinon is to set it up like breeding for pets from all the worlds, dont take things out of rotation, remove the tier increase and keep it a flat value but increase the odds or do a pity system and dont do trading cause I am sure a lot of people will quit cause it will bring forward RMT. sorry for the long essay on this.

fallow frost
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quiet down? when?

novel pewter
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Might be referring to how not many people are on right now holding discussions

fallow frost
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and missing that peak hour of discussing has passed again for day

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(peak hours essentially follow various american time zones and european time zones; there being some that overlap nicely)

novel pewter
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Anyhow I need to stop lurking I'm getting sicker and need sleep before I actually pass out cheers may we fight on for answers ^^

steady orchid
boreal tide
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that beta tester seems to have forgor

rugged agate
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ayo

rugged agate
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I thought they be on different servers

boreal tide
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No other way he could've gotten unfinished content

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either that or it's one of Lava's alts

rugged agate
pastel geyser
tacit bough
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Unfinished content doesn’t mean can’t put into the game. Sometime we put it because we are to test something or creating some value for the account to ready and stuff. For example, Apex have leak skin or stuff. Why? Because they will put future content into the game to make sure the content won’t break everything.

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In the reality, we have UAT, QA and production. Those are different platforms for testing different things. And the behaviour is different. Passing QA doesn’t mean pushing to the production will be totally fine. Some unexpected error may happen. Then QA may get into production for testing the new content.

pastel geyser
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Geeze...

civic solar
boreal tide
sonic sedge
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any info from lava?

smoky orbit
rugged agate
upbeat lily
patent badger
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that can be cheated and has been going on for a while

lost ermine
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don't give up!

upbeat lily
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it will be mostly positive not mixed

sonic sedge
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still

sonic sedge
upbeat lily
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Did the reactions get reset?

tacit bough
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Yes, f….

frozen juniper
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no? it's a discord bug when you switch devices. still 900 YES

fast wagon
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can we get updates witch dose noy req a oil company to play?

coral ocean
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it can happen if something gets too many reacts too quickly too, without switching

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they will come back

torpid rapids
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Nah that's not what happened, what he's doing runs up against anti gambling laws in many jurisdictions and apple is more paranoid about that than android/steam (so far)

teal plinth
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Rip IOS players

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tacit bough
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Maybe become my first game which give up iOS version during developing happy

sinful willow
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Player feedback has never been more active, and lava has never been more inactive

tall oar
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Clearly on hide mode

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No statement yet I assume?

lost ermine
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I suppose there will not be any common news before any reaction to mess that is going on

lime marsh
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I am just going to park everyone on gmush/cooking and leave the game for a while, if I come back I hope it will be less of a dumpster fire

nocturne pagoda
tall oar
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Yeah I realised

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iOS probably denied the update because of that OMEGALUL

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So Lava was like "fuck it iOS don't get the fancy stuff"

static atlas
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inserts funny joke

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tall oar
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What's your emergency?

Illegal p2w mechanics in a live service game, sir.

sinful willow
modest zenith
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I hope he talk to us soon. this is getting out of hand

terse nacelle
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Hes busy swimming in his money

obsidian tulip
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I love gambling now grumblo_thumbsup

tall oar
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It's pretty funny that this tag can actually work with Steam recommendations

granite rover
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We are closeing in on one of the Legends of Idleon

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eather 82 more or 193 more

obsidian tulip
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oh, it's on mostly negative now didn't noticed

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I guess it clearly show that we dislike the update, but hope it will be able to come back if dev manage to fix problems and make it good again

upbeat lily
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he won't do anything

frozen juniper
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damage is done, trust is gone.. don't think there will be a big recovery from that..

rose thistle
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Unless he gives everyone a full refund and a free pet... that way there is damage control.

hushed grotto
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no news for 2 weeks, drops the most p2w updates he ever did, doesn't elaborate further and leave the game in flames
Grumblo

sinful willow
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Idle skilling treatment is coming

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Cash out and leave

obsidian tulip
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i'm playing a game cause game is cool, not cause dev is cool

tall oar
paper crow
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Lava still hiding?

remote sentinel
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the worst part is he did the same with last update in idle skilling. and everyone hated it

tall oar
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Apparently so

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I hated Idle Skilling since release lmao

paper crow
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Is he having money problem?

upbeat lily
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not anymore

tall oar
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Not anymore

granite rover
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hmmm, lets see

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yup

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cheeckes out

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also a yt video i found

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top 6th

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W

terse nacelle
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So, i know this update is considered P2W. but why was nobody saying P2W when he released those Bundles with Wings/Nametag? That are clearly way better than any F2P player could ever earn.

glass tusk
terse nacelle
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Ah yeah the RNG factor is the worst part imo.

hushed grotto
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If doot was guaranteed with the pack it would clearly not be such a controversial update, altho it would still be with the only once a week and all

proper loom
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Spent 20 Bucks for xy item + gems or spend 1000 Bucks for 90% Chance for Doot

glass tusk
terse nacelle
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Yeah it's a bit lame, Did he give any info yet as to if he's going to change/fix this?

proper loom
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Nope

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My guess is he will come back in 2 weeks with a "free update" and pretend like nothing ever happened

glass tusk
terse nacelle
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Should'nt all updates be free considering it's a game in progress (unfinished)

prime latch
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it definitely wasnt to this degree though

terse nacelle
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i complained but i still went and bought it. just like every other pack.. 😦
But yeah this update left a sour taste in my mouth and many others

proper loom
glass tusk
proper loom
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Oh i didn't know that. I just played it for the IdleOn Trophy

paper crow
tall oar
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Same here, played it exclusively for the trophy

quaint patio
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How long does it take to get the trophy?

urban comet
proper loom
fallow frost
surreal kayak
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Tomorrow for sure

fallow frost
blissful minnow
indigo kite
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SOON™️

static atlas
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1.5 months if you claim everything instantly

blissful minnow
static atlas
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ah, yeah possibly

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gonna take me a few more months as im just depending on afk progress

frozen juniper
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oh.. don't remind me of Idle skilling..

supple fern
mystic prawn
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what is the latest

paper crow
mystic prawn
meager vector
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That is not sustainable

fallow frost
granite rover
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We are very close to ahciveing, one of THE LEGENDS OF IDLEON

granite rover
hushed grotto
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Don't worry guys LavaFlame3 will come and magically fix everything, he's just busy scolding LavaFlame2 for the mess he made

nocturne pagoda
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🙏

granite rover
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As WaterSplash1 comes and defeats both with ease

tall oar
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WaterSplash1 used Bubble Beam

granite rover
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it was very effective

cinder flax
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my only complaint is that lavaflame tries to reward us with better odds as we pay more real cash for more pulls but at the same time the price goes up. not cool AT ALL.

granite rover
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Just imagine

cinder flax
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im not here to troll or make joke, just my opinion. well also the timer for the free pull is a joke too consider the odds

granite rover
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I made a fair suggestion, here

hybrid pike
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consider:

  • making the free companions interchangeable too
  • at some point we will get all pets so:
    Enable giving out gems to other players for those who wanna help out friends
  • adding free ways to get GreenGem
  • limit the amout of gems you can have

(this is to take care of your players and protect them from developing gambling addictions) kinda how some items in the store restock every week

upbeat lily
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I hope he gives out a response soon. Like. Idc if it was a fuck up. But, just fix it then. I do really hope he fixes the issues around the pets. I heard he said he would make further patches to fix those problems. Idk. Haven't had enough interaction with the guy myself. But, I've personally been enjoying this game for years now. And I would hate to see it go full P2W.

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Even if it takes another week or maybe 2. Idc. Just want it fixed.

hybrid pike
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so the people that dont get doot will never get him later?

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1 chance per week and only way to get gems is by buying?

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common, he cant be that scummy

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seasonal pet should not have massive upgrades like doot has

cinder flax
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I only have 3 issues.

  1. No pity system
  2. Rising costs as a reward?????
  3. I hope players that bought and spent their pet gems are somehow compensated for the lack of pity and the rising costs. when this is fixed.
obsidian lance
obsidian lance
# cinder flax I only have 3 issues. 1. No pity system 2. Rising costs as a reward????? 3. I h...
  1. add a pity system 2. outline how we can get pets once they leave to the store. 3. add pet pulls to Kilroy and maybe the roulette prizes for example. 4. give some kind of compensation for those who spent more than the pity already. extra doot per one you earned for the "trading system' , x amount of pulls back, some quickly made trouphy as a sorry extra rare item from past event like a pair of the pink wings. 5. public apology 6. state on every game launcher outline this wont be done again so if he does this again people can get refunds for the bait and switch
cinder flax
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Its a punishment for supporting the game.

lyric otter
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I think the rates are actually favorable (pull becomes 200 gems, but you get a 2.2x rarity boost) but it's a weird choice rather then just having the rates go up

mighty vessel
obsidian tulip
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it's maybe same logic as when the cost from multiple gem storage chest go up, but it's kinda dumb to use this logic here

feral rune
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Just letting everyone know, it’s a 12.6% chance to get Doot if you get your free pet every week per year. Saw someone mention 28%, but yeah. 12.6% chance of Doot per year.

elfin sentinel
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“just wait 8 years”

lyric otter
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that said, recycling already helps contribute to that too

feral rune
mighty vessel
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getting like 10cents back on every pull can hardly be called "helping"

prime minnow
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i miss windows

elfin sentinel
mighty vessel
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with 0.5% *200 you would after all be at 100%

feral rune
graceful imp
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percentage chance probability doesn't work that way; you can never hit 100%

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theoretically, you could go 100 years never pulling a doot with free pulls, it's just (nearly) impossibly unlikely

feral rune
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I would personally add a function where we get a free “Legendary Pull” every month which significantly boosts chances for rarer pulls and cuts out the common pulls

lyric otter
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I would just make the system deterministic (as in you have a way to 100% get doot) because anything less is unethical

feral rune
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Like maybe a really tough quest where you can unlock each pet, but it gets harder for rarer pets?

lyric otter
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or just make it so free pulls don't give dupes

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I dont think that will happen at this point because it'd piss off the people who spent 500$ getting Doot

graceful imp
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at this point there's no way out of this update without making people angry

lyric otter
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but I'm also not someone who would add real money gacha to my games

feral rune
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Maybe we could have both a monthly legendary pull AND a quest to get each pet. Then have a mechanic where fusing duplicate pets give higher bonuses

mystic prawn
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almost 1k

prime pike
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Don’t think he will go back on anything

silver rover
prime pike
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Even use guild points or something that allow to purchase more daily try’s

cinder flax
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Add pity, don't increase cost and retroactively reward those who hit the rank ups with pulling. I spent 6k gems and got everything except doot. Make doot the pity at max pull rank.

terse nacelle
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Free rolled companions won't be tradeable

weak ridge
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Yeah I'm at $150 spent now and still no doot and I feel EXTREMELY stupid for it.

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Like I'm in bad debt and should have put that money towards that but I also play this game every day and justified it because of that (same way I have with buying every bundle), but now I don't even have any new pets from spending another $100 on it so... Did it for nothing. Got nothing. Feels really bad and I feel really dumb.

misty plover
# weak ridge Like I'm in bad debt and should have put that money towards that but I also play...

i also bought almost all the shop and bundles with the same mentality 'i will buy it now because im loving this game and i want to progress faster', but at some point you have to stop and think, do i want do engage in this gatch system EVERY 10 weeks ? The answer to me was a fat nop, even though i dont want i will choose uninstal before buying green gem with the actual system we have.

weak ridge
# misty plover i also bought almost all the shop and bundles with the same mentality 'i will bu...

I feel like it's fair to continue paying for continuing content for something I have enjoyed for so long and $20-$25 bucks every 10 weeks for my value of money is worth it. I want lava to get paid to do what he does and the bundles have felt fair to me, this just really really does not. I don't feel like any bundles have been gacha either, but if this pet system is the direction things are going that's really dark imo.

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Like this could have been like lab crystals where you can once or twice a week buy one to get one you haven't gotten yet and that would have felt much better but $3 for a .85% chance at max rank or however it works out to is really rough.

misty plover
# weak ridge I feel like it's fair to continue paying for continuing content for something I ...

I would happily choose to buy bundles every month or speding like 50$ every 3 months because i know that he need to be paid for the work, but this is gatch version 2.0, its even worst, that why i only used the 2k green gem that i got from the bundles am i was done there, because i know that i will get addicted and i dont want to feed a shit mechanic more then what whales are already doing

misty plover
leaden haven
cinder flax
strange forge
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Do you guys not have wallets?

paper crow
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If I have to spend that. I want pet with big anime tits.

smoky moss
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Why did the Reactions get deleted?

smoky moss
solid compass
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Just throwing in my 2 cents. I've been more than happy to throw money at Lava in the past. I've probably spent about $150.00 in the year or so I've been playing. The guy has made an awesome game on his own and deserves to be paid for it. But part of the reason I had to no trouble buying stuff was because nothing felt gamebreaking. And it was also stuff I had a decent shot at getting in F2P anyway, if I grinded enough for gems. But these companions seem way too OP for the way they're currently acquired. It makes me VERY HESITANT to buy more gems/timecandies/etc because I don't want to invest a bunch of my money into a game that might be edging towards being more P2W. For the time being, I think Lava has earned the benefit of the doubt. He's taken this game a loong way without any issues like this. So I (want to) believe it's just a lapse in judgement. But I guess we'll see! I suppose if enough people threw their money at these companions, he'd be tempted to keep it going. But who knows. I love the game and just wanna see it stay healthy and fun.

rare mist
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... yyyeah, what the heck happened to all the reactions?

upbeat lily
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either 1000 is the limit or the moderators did not want us to see joy

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anyways happy 1000 :yes: 🎉 party

leaden fern
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There's a limit?

upbeat lily
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uhhh

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maybe?

lyric flame
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1000 isnt the limit we have 1007

upbeat lily
leaden fern
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Wait, you can still see them?

weak ridge
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Discord is buggy with reactions sometimes

lyric flame
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Yeah

upbeat lily
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for us it reset back to 6

lyric flame
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Im on mobile rn

rare mist
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same

upbeat lily
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so am i

leaden fern
normal roost
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huh

upbeat lily
# normal roost huh

maybe phones still see 1000 because of how the screen works
ayo minute slowmode?
darn mods

rare mist
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I'm on mobile and seeing 8, c'mon discord

full plover
prime zodiac
prime latch
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I see 1004 on mobile

fallow frost
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1019 ; pc ofc