idleon-gen-chat

[restive garden]

not dentist

[low bobcat]

yea not much better

[restive garden]

endoscopy tomorrow

[pine mica]

need more afk gains

[low bobcat]

don't think i can get much more other then ac

[restive garden]

you know as much as we do

[glass harbor]

it's IdleFans the first ever official idleOn porn website

[restive garden]

[pine mica]

yea nametags and such gallery multi's

[mental quiver]

watch out for their kaleidoscopes

[restive garden]

dw they will just be to the side, boosting his work

[grave jetty]

Is gardevoir here?

Or John Idleon Jenkins?

[low bobcat]

best i got

[restive garden]

they gotta put me down and under so they can shove a camera down my throat because of my gag reflex

[pine mica]

time for playing darts 😄

[grave jetty]

Hey aedz

[restive garden]

hi

[grave jetty]

Can I see ur Orion screen plzzz

[restive garden]

ok

[low bobcat]

i suck at it also not feeling that great rn so i don't want to stress about it

[grave jetty]

Since ur acc is juiced

I need something to work toward if u know what I mean

[mental quiver]

so hear me out... necklaces made of chain but the center piece thats attached to on both sides are idleon name tags or trophys, your choice

[narrow wind]

Nothing trophy :o

[pine mica]

yea its rough took me alot of tries every day for weeks non stop to get lucky enough

[restive garden]

gimme a baller chain

[grave jetty]

Omg

I think I’m missing a doubler

[restive garden]

put that on my chain

[grave jetty]

I did my legend talent and I got the pet. U got double my bonuses

Im gonna get to the bottom of this

[trail brook]

oh i got my crystal higher than i thought, still not high enough, will need to get it up more

[restive garden]

fountain?

[vocal hazel]

Ohhhhb i forgor about this

[low bobcat]

can't wait for afk multi added to fountain

i wonder what the next one will be

[pine mica]

bubba and wisdow multi prob?

[grave jetty]

Is ur fountain that juiced it

[trail brook]

isnt research xp in the green water

[low bobcat]

i mean like the damage and exp multi will there be a dr one a afk one or something else

[restive garden]

eh

[pine mica]

lets hope

[low bobcat]

i get to do this

[tawdry dove]

anyone else unable to log onto Idleon this morning?

[low bobcat]

fountain is life

[trail brook]

[pine mica]

need to marble that again

[low bobcat]

getting all my upgrades to 500QQQ each

[lethal oak]

almost 24

[pine mica]

almost 25 😄

[boreal jetty]

no

[trail brook]

i hate fountain, so boring

[pine mica]

yes

[low bobcat]

i just play something else and check back every now and then

[boreal jetty]

but crystal farming isnt?

anything that isnt active is boring

[trail brook]

i can leave it overnight at least

[boreal jetty]

fountain autoclaim:

[pine mica]

no crown no claim

[vocal hazel]

Bubba

[restive garden]

got all to 3, workin towards 3.5

[pine mica]

bubba really needs to get the effect from legend points multi (but even then its kinda ass) but i enjoy doing it tho

[boreal jetty]

3 weeks without any idleon news?

[craggy plank]

I did it

[trail brook]

need to get this fuck to promote me before im able to do anything anyways

[vocal hazel]

Same it's enjoyable

[restive garden]

now get to e30 so u can break the final object

[low bobcat]

this is gonna be such a pain for me

[craggy plank]

ill worry about that later

[vocal hazel]

When reading mouse clicker

[restive garden]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-test-bling-bling-boy-dancing-dance-dance-moves-gif-22377748

[vocal hazel]

Gigampreg

Terrampreg

[misty bloom]

petampreg

[trail brook]

mid e28 works, just needs to be on a low depth, like in the 160s or low 170s

[granite dust]

I've been looking through the wiki and looking at skilling armor, is the skilling gear that buffs efficiency really the best you can get? I don't see any kind of gear like that outside of the gold tier stuff

[restive garden]

snowman dont ever show for me till after 190+ smh, last time it was 198

[restive garden]

laater game u use prehistoric armor instead of the skilling stuff

[vocal hazel]

I mean snowman is just 3 tome scire and that's it

[trail brook]

i think technically it can show up anywhere after like 140 or 150

[restive garden]

no, its a nightmare

[granite dust]

still worthwhile to farm for it though in mid-late before prehistoric?

[vocal hazel]

Ohhh

[pine mica]

this was earlier today

[restive garden]

yeah

[restive garden]

oucchh

[granite dust]

alright, fair enough, the rare drops are annoying but I'll get through it

[vocal hazel]

I'm stuck on t20 ribbon

Nightmare 🙀

[restive garden]

still dont think i have enough idk

[trail brook]

im close to being able to getting a bunch

[pine mica]

doesent even 1 hit it 🙁

[vocal hazel]

9dart 🥀

[low bobcat]

I'm at the same point

[trail brook]

need more of this levelled

[restive garden]

[trail brook]

think like another 10 levels would 1 tap it

[pine mica]

yea few more days from the research buff would do it prob

[low bobcat]

i hate minehead i feel like it could have been 250 or something 500 is a little high

[lethal oak]

i'm still not even sure what this even does

[loud tide]

Guys, what is that timmy sticker I see some people having in the upper left of the screen? How do you get it?

[restive garden]

wat

[vocal hazel]

Why no one has 9dart

[low bobcat]

it's hard

[vocal hazel]

Is everyone giganub

[vocal hazel]

Pro

[restive garden]

we just built different

[trail brook]

i would be done with minehead in 2 days if i got a gold on my wiggle click

[pine mica]

i gotcha fam

[low bobcat]

my highest was 7 darts

[trail brook]

ive gotten 8 darts so many times ive actually just gotten pissed off with that shitty minigame

[vocal hazel]

So does anyone here have both 9dart and baller trophy

[low bobcat]

same it sucks

[pine mica]

stil got this left on equinox

[pine mica]

i'm never going for the baller one lmao

[restive garden]

ive gotten 30 in bball so many times ive actually just gotten pissed off with that shitty minigame

[vocal hazel]

I struggled with it 😞😞😞

[low bobcat]

i got 22 in baller

[restive garden]

my highest is 33

[pine mica]

you have it? damnn pro

[vocal hazel]

Baller > 9dart

[restive garden]

it gets wacky after 30, everything spins

[low bobcat]

i would quit right away

[restive garden]

like u move up and down, while going in a circle, but so does the basket

[vocal hazel]

I got 7.2k dr today

[low bobcat]

that just sounds not fun

[vocal hazel]

Me pro

[pine mica]

what does baller trohpy give again?

[mental quiver]

After 365 consecutive daily tries, lava gives you any minigame name tag

[restive garden]

id be down wit that

[trail brook]

this is what my darts looks like every time, can easily get 3 and 6 but not 9

[vocal hazel]

Tome

[gloomy musk]

There's minigame name tags now?

[pine mica]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

[restive garden]

but u arent allowed to miss a single day or it resets, at 360? Your mom is dying in the hospital 4 states over? Oh well, gotta start over

[gloomy musk]

Poing nametag when

[restive garden]

what score for poing tag

[vocal hazel]

Lava pls

[pine mica]

sorry mom i cant come see you next week

[low bobcat]

i can't do 6 all that much 3 i can do

[mental quiver]

James do you have a screenshot of lava's name in game in a pixel perfect ratio?

[trail brook]

3

[low bobcat]

i suck at all minigames that's why i don't have meg

[pine mica]

yeaa fuck the meg tho

[vocal hazel]

Just don't suc

[low bobcat]

at least with darts you can try as much as you want no limit per day

[mental quiver]

Such an odd place

[trail brook]

ive gotten to 3 whales once before but then fucked it, dont think ive even actually done any before since

[short geode]

Where is this

[trail brook]

litterfish

[low bobcat]

i haven't even got 1 whale

[pine mica]

aaight now we wait til 72 is fixed

[low bobcat]

72 doesn't work?

[pine mica]

nah bugged dont show up

[low bobcat]

pain

[trail brook]

thank god hitting the metal doesnt count as starting

[pine mica]

i hit the metal before when i was on 8 that was rage inducing

[smoky vine]

This should be at the olympics

[subtle jasper]

trophy for hitting 9 metal in a row

[smoky vine]

What's the record for most in a row?

[mental quiver]

In plain sight with the rest of them

[subtle jasper]

hotair got like 3

[trail brook]

i hate when you get a high arc throw and then it teleports into the green out of the red

[gloomy musk]

Oh yeah, he put it in #achievement-pics

I remember that.

[trail brook]

i wish there was at least a point pity for the trophy

[pine mica]

yea should be buyable with a few 10k points

[hard tusk]

I thought I can only speak to this guy at lvl 150 maestro is this a glitch?

[vocal hazel]

Game sucks

[trail brook]

i mean the score, like i had a run before that was 410

[restive garden]

i keep knicking my nails when i try to cut oranges, they might be getting too long

[low bobcat]

i can 100% do 10k for it would take a bit but still can do it

[trail brook]

use them like a knife or a saw

[pine mica]

yea just timegate it a bit like that 10-30k points or so

[gloomy musk]

I like to send it through the center of the orange to take the rest of the peel of. Like disembowling it

[trail brook]

i would gladly farm to 10k for it

[pine mica]

https://tenor.com/view/event-gif-9186887337818182177

[restive garden]

Is it time to get them redone

[pine mica]

make em pointy for stab damage

[serene tusk]

pretty :D

[hard tusk]

voidwalker nails

[trail brook]

just put all your fingers together and just stab into the orange

[serene tusk]

like reventant in apex when he kills someone?

[restive garden]

I cut them like this then suck them dry

[trail brook]

yes exactly

[simple birch]

The neglect is real

[gloomy musk]

I'm gonna lick them wet again

[restive garden]

maybe lava will reward us reading neglectors like equinox

[trail brook]

grab the orange lightly in one hand and then stab it as hard as you can with your stabbing hand

[restive garden]

but what if i break a nail

[trail brook]

small price to pay for stabbing an orange

[vocal hazel]

Did you read for the first time today

[pine mica]

extra crunch

[low bobcat]

best i got was 4 darts

[restive garden]

my oanges have ice in them

[simple birch]

Or, yesterday

[restive garden]

i think my fridge is set too cold

[low bobcat]

idk I'm getting lag in darts and no one is around in a low pop server

[nimble portal]

Did you go to the trapping map?

[pine mica]

yeaaa

[nimble portal]

Lord of the Hunt's little bastion northwest of W3 town

[gloomy musk]

Hi Hotair

[low bobcat]

i'll try it

[pine mica]

you tell me now??? xd

[gloomy musk]

Why didn't you mention this when I asked about the best map to Poing in

[restive garden]

nice

[trail brook]

woah a gmush card

[nimble portal]

I know it's the overall belief, but I do not actually see everything on this server

[restive garden]

9 bubbles now

[dry silo]

anyone has obs 31 location

[pine mica]

ll 72 one? its bugged cant find

[dry silo]

oh bruh

[vocal hazel]

Pro

Lvl 70 = pro

[low bobcat]

i really do just suck

[gloomy musk]

Wait, never mind. You did actually say that

[nimble portal]

[gloomy musk]

Guess I just didn't notice because there was another message that was more salient

[desert mauve]

At least you're not this bad.

[gloomy musk]

On top of the world, are we

[pine mica]

should be an award in itself

[trail brook]

woah was this my shot

[dry silo]

what about the one in w3?

[dry silo]

obs33, the 76 one

[trail brook]

ok wasnt mine but very similar

[low bobcat]

a pity for 10-30k wouldn't be bad i get around 250 points per game for 10k points i would need to play 40 games of darts

[trail brook]

maybe 90k cost

[low bobcat]

50k take it or leave it

[trail brook]

90k for nine darter seems appropriate

[low bobcat]

yea i was doing a joke

[trail brook]

oh lol

[low bobcat]

would take about 360 plays of darts

[trail brook]

i dont think im ever going to try going for baller because its just bad

[low bobcat]

yea i did try and gave up

[trail brook]

wooooow 3% afk gain?

[low bobcat]

i know so op right

[grizzled pewter]

3% you don’t have

[low bobcat]

lava might to rethink some changes to the minigame

[trail brook]

nine darter though? will give you anything you ever wanted and more

[restive garden]

My dinner

[mental quiver]

moldy

[low bobcat]

maybe because some people have baller already and lava doesn't want to make it better

[restive garden]

ur moldy

[north cloud]

swap to white cherry gatorade zero and we chillin

[mental quiver]

ur mol dy

[restive garden]

did u jussst tell me to dy

reported

[trail brook]

are those strawberrys in an egg crate?

[mental quiver]

your pet mol dy, we are sorry for your lost

[north cloud]

buddy's never picked strawberrys before

[restive garden]

they are farm fresh strawberries

[trail brook]

the ones i have i just ate straight off the plant

[sinful anvil]

anyone know what the 2nd pack this week is

[trail brook]

bugs and all

[sinful anvil]

im not sure if its wirth buying the abyss pack wiht the robes

[restive garden]

all robes are worth it

its the only way to get robes afterall

[trail brook]

definitely think there should be at least a couple f2p robes

cant have all the f2p players naked

[sinful anvil]

like is there a way to see waht the weeks pack rotation are

[grizzled pewter]

Clothes aren’t free

[trail brook]

but hats are?

[grizzled pewter]

It’s random based on your account. Or seasonal

[sinful anvil]

or are they random for everyone?

ah ok

[trail brook]

3 packs each week, same for everyone

[low bobcat]

no need to worry we have adam leaf

[sinful anvil]

ah ok do u know wich 3 there is

[trail brook]

no

[grizzled pewter]

[sinful anvil]

xD

[fringe axle]

was the hat for 50k stat bubble levels added? if so what hat is it

[sinful anvil]

i already dropped 400 dollars on the game kinda just wanna buy the important ones now

[restive garden]

well, its the same for all f2p, different for people that bought packs

if they didnt buy aall packs in rotation prior, its the same, if they bought 1, they will have 1 thats different

[light birch]

This is the only way to play!!

[trail brook]

just letting everything swing?

[restive garden]

thats how i usually am 22/7

[grizzled pewter]

Only way to impress emperor

[trail brook]

whats those other 2 hours for

[fringe axle]

does anyone know? it was talked about at the end of 2025

[restive garden]

going to the store for food

[light birch]

You only have to buy account bonus related packs and attire related packs (that you actually use) then trade for rest of pets you need (you don’t need every pet) and it’s like $200-$250 and ur fully set

[trail brook]

yeah i guess you would need clothes for that

[sinful anvil]

already got almost all pets xD

mabey i spended more than 400

[light birch]

Pain

Yeah it’s like 250 and u got all you need if u utilise trading well and efficiently

[gloomy musk]

Hi Little B. I do not think there is such a hat in the game right now

[rugged arrow]

Hi James

[gloomy musk]

Hi Norymur

[mental quiver]

Hi Jodoc

[rugged arrow]

Hi Norymur

[gloomy musk]

Okay

[fringe axle]

ty was wondering if he ever did it now im sad that it hasnt happened #game-polls📊 message

[rugged arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/detroit-lions-gif-5748344689610077556

[lime mirage]

very girl dinner

[cloud solar]

Got a question on Hole Gambit. I just unlocked it and already had a schematic for the knight game. Do you do Gambit as soon as you can or is there a waiting time for a multiplier on points like monuments?

[opaque snow]

Im like 90% sure there's a reason but idk what it is why did all my first alc bubbles all shoot to level 500 randomly?

[restive garden]

💅

[lime mirage]

💅

[mental quiver]

[gloomy musk]

Cool emote Doc

[cloud solar]

Do you have Kattlekruk god unlocked? He gives bubble levels every day

[opaque snow]

Yea just unlocked him yesterday

[cloud solar]

He only levels up the 1st 3 bubbles. Your yellow luck bubble level will be behind until you are in W7

[opaque snow]

I lied no i didnt

[zenith flame]

We definitely getting a cross over event in idleon right?

[opaque snow]

Yea no god unlocked just random level 500 bubbles

[supple nexus]

How do I get the floating rock to appear in W6?

[opaque snow]

Oh I figured it out its cause of my lab and the particular colder I unlock NBLB plus the lab upg so my lowest level bubbles went to 500

[rugged arrow]

My girl dinner was chicken and sweet potato

[blazing nebula]

FINALLY See you scrubs lvl 700 here i come

[sweet bay]

there's some strat for stickers or no?

[supple nexus]

How do I get the floating rock to appear in W6?

[sweet bay]

spam market

[real maple]

im tweaking for a sheepie rn

[pale quest]

Alot of og chance

[gloomy musk]

#pet-trades might have some. Sheepies are common

[real maple]

ion got much honestly i just started a new save

ill js wait it out

[blazing nebula]

why arent i getting instas

[opaque snow]

Wait whats this?

[restive garden]

unlucky

[blazing nebula]

final map in world 7

[hoary mesa]

an artifact

[opaque snow]

U gotta transcend?

[marsh crag]

A pain the get is what it is

[blazing nebula]

nah

[opaque snow]

Oh god what do u gotta do!

[marsh crag]

Just low chance to get the upgrade. Unless you have really good captains and the like

[subtle jasper]

its only a % chance to get daily

[opaque snow]

Ah I aint go no good captains

[noble blade]

this is doable if ur sushi'ing

[low bobcat]

yea 54QQ shouldn't be hard

[marsh crag]

Same I need to get some ender captains. I’ve only gotten one

[opaque snow]

For sailing right?

[low bobcat]

just need to get higher tier sushi for more gains and green fire unless research is low

[marsh crag]

Yeah they are a rare captain

[opaque snow]

I got some red ones! Ender sounds rare

[restive garden]

u need the jade emporium upgrade for enders

[slow vine]

Need to trade with piglins for enders

[dull stump]

i havent gotten any yet

[restive garden]

gotten 8 of these in the past hour

[opaque snow]

U can farm tho? How?

[restive garden]

AC

[slow vine]

Bro saving prisma for the nuclear winter

[marsh crag]

I forget where you unlock them I think it’s sneaking

[noble blade]

my prisma drops just dont want to drop any more

[gloomy musk]

Arcane Cultist's Arcanist form has chance to drop them

[marsh crag]

I’ve gotten one but to be fair I don’t hop on and check every day

[opaque snow]

Iv been doing sneeking slowly

[opaque snow]

What world is that again?

[marsh crag]

It starts slow. And the pets help a lot

[marsh crag]

If you leave active afk they won’t despawn will they?

[opaque snow]

Really? I've almost gotten all current pets available rn outta thr gotcha

Im missing like 4

[restive garden]

no, and ur chances reset if u dont pick em up

[marsh crag]

I think it’s the smoke devil is the sneaking one? Plus the gold food one is really good

[opaque snow]

Witch food helps?

[restive garden]

anotha one

[thick sapphire]

https://giphy.com/gifs/film-disney-once-upon-a-time-uElxuHGtIuK0o

[dull stump]

damn im looking at the pets on the wiki and this vanillie pet seems pretty op

[thick sapphire]

it is pretty dope

[dull stump]

wish i had it 😮‍💨

[thick sapphire]

Damn, thats some strategery begging right there

[dull stump]

nah im not begging. just a bit bummed that ill never have these pets until i get a job

[thick sapphire]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-wrBURfbZmqqXu

[low bobcat]

just need to not think about them you don't need em

[subtle jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-so-hungry-gif-18187342469847967118

[tawdry creek]

probably

[neon verge]

I got excited to try worship after massively upgrading my towers, then the game crashes after round 100 because there's too much going on lol

[thick sapphire]

turn the numbers off?

[low bobcat]

did you turn damage off

[opaque snow]

Auto correct really kills me ;-;

[thick sapphire]

first

[neon verge]

Oh dang I didn't think about that. Thanks

[thick sapphire]

is that sarcasm? Isnt that button right there on the screen?

II havent done td in a really really long time

[low bobcat]

most don't know the damage is what makes it lag so much

[subtle jasper]

yellow

[dull stump]

what's the best pet in ur opinion?

[thick sapphire]

Rift walker

[dull stump]

wait really?

[tawdry creek]

pig, package deal

[thick sapphire]

pig useless

[low bobcat]

yes the damage in td is what makes it lag so much

[thick sapphire]

Friend bonuses are just so little

[stiff peak]

specifically the constant spam of damage numbers, which has a toggle off

[subtle jasper]

its also the absurd amount of calculations i'd assume

[tawdry creek]

pig gives 5 things

[thick sapphire]

calculations are done really easy. Its just display of numbers that really hard

[subtle jasper]

say that in btd6 community

[thick sapphire]

Just run a python program to count to 1m. then run it to display 1 to 1m

[tawdry creek]

and you said rift stalker is best

[low bobcat]

this tower hits so many times which makes the lag

[dull stump]

i really wanna get that golem pet. im in w7 rn and those enemies have a lot of health so 10x damage would be awesome

[tawdry creek]

oh yea its a big one

hes often in shop so you can def find one in trade

[low bobcat]

got boost food on?

[dull stump]

im broke and jobless 😭 i rely on the free weekly pet to get my pets

[grim void]

Is there a guide on constellation linking?

[thick sapphire]

Really going hard on the begging now

[blazing nebula]

Still no update news 🙁

[tawdry creek]

there is

[thick sapphire]

Its in #new-updates⭐

[blazing nebula]

That was last update

[tawdry creek]

we lied

[dull stump]

damn

[thick sapphire]

Then why did you ask?

[tawdry creek]

[dull stump]

so evil

[tawdry creek]

i play Alpha Legion in 40k
lying is my natural state

[low bobcat]

we know the same stuff as everyone else if there is new info it will be in https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/438216759120756737

[thick sapphire]

or #patch-notes📝

Its like there a whole communication section for that

[low bobcat]

ah yes reading the hardest thing for a idleon player

[tawdry creek]

woah now, settle down. You're using a lot of words there and you gotta remember idleon players cant read

[surreal gull]

do grimoire bonuses work even while i'm not in death form?

[thick sapphire]

What are you saying!!!

[thick sapphire]

Depends on the bonus....did you read them

[tawdry creek]

ya theyre account-wide unless otherwise specified

[surreal gull]

okok thanks

[tawdry creek]

most will say "in X form" for masterclass upgrades anyways

[thick sapphire]

Is this one?

[rustic perch]

Why is DB the best for AFK killing? Is it his respawn mechanic or the chows or wows or whatever?

[thick sapphire]

Its not

[tawdry creek]

isnt it es or dk?

wait no theyre active farming

[old gull]

Has anyone experienced an issue where when you have idleon up and doing something it makes the rest of your screen flash just slightly even though idleon is a small window? I can't figure out how to fully fix mine 🥲

[rustic perch]

Yeah, I've heard so many people say DB is best for AFK but idk why

[thick sapphire]

What are you trying to do afk that you think db is best at it?

[restive garden]

Do u mean afk or active killing

[low bobcat]

think they mean full afk

[tawdry vine]

it happens to me too, i need to restart the client once in a while

[tawdry creek]

what two are best now?

[subtle jasper]

beeg and slab for every MF

[tawny magnet]

the first and the second

[restive garden]

then thats not true

[tawdry creek]

feel free to try agaibn

[low bobcat]

maybe those people were thinking of this

[restive garden]

maybe, ive heard db is great for active killing because of grave, not afk

[subtle jasper]

hes good for both

[pine mica]

db best for gmush

[summer rose]

its time

[restive garden]

would it not just be your best character for afk

most peoples dbs are most likely shit compared to their main, so their main would more than likey be better

[hoary mesa]

db is best afk at least for rare first page items

[low bobcat]

i know my db gets the most kills for gmush

[thick sapphire]

wtf is a main

[summer rose]

so close to 2m

[restive garden]

think about it, what could main mean

[thick sapphire]

Idk

[restive garden]

what does main in ANY game mean

[summer rose]

not secondary

[rustic perch]

Thought that was DKs job?

[thick sapphire]

your main character. cause you only play 1 at a time

[restive garden]

mhm

[thick sapphire]

We play 10 at a time. there is no main

[restive garden]

no we do not lmao

we play 1 while the others are sitting afk

[thick sapphire]

all of them deserve equal distrbution of resources

[restive garden]

u cant main 2 at a time

[thick sapphire]

You can if you are mostly afk

[restive garden]

thats not how mains work

i can guarantee you, and bet all the money i have, there is NOBODY "maining" all 10 characters

[thick sapphire]

I do!

[tawny magnet]

theres always somebody

[restive garden]

show each characters stats then

[misty bloom]

you don't main more than one character that's not how the concept of maining works

you don't say you're a ryu and sagat main

[hoary mesa]

best afk is db for that

[rustic perch]

Why tho

[restive garden]

dk best active afk

[hoary mesa]

damn this sentence looks dumb

[subtle jasper]

[thick sapphire]

I main my account, which is 10 characters

[misty bloom]

I main street fighter which is 35 characters

nahhh not how it works

[restive garden]

seems like sb is ur main

[thick sapphire]

why?

[rustic perch]

You either main somebody, or you don't main anybody. There's no grey zone

[half wedge]

could someone with a name with "s" say "1 star, game sucks!" for me?

[hoary mesa]

yeah the name is 10 characters long

[restive garden]

the damage

obviously u focus that character for damage more than the others

[thick sapphire]

hes not even being used for dmg right now

[restive garden]

exactly

[thick sapphire]

hes in scroll farming

[restive garden]

thats why hes ur main, because hes naturally better than the others

[subtle jasper]

[thick sapphire]

Nah, each just scale damage differently

he isnt even the highest level

[restive garden]

ur main doesnt have to be ur highest level lol

[thick sapphire]

and 10th has more damage

2nd has more dr

[hushed rampart]

Emote broken

[misty bloom]

my ac is probably my main because I go do stuff on it the most

[restive garden]

so youre saying you dont play on a single character, how many hours do u even have

[thick sapphire]

In what

[restive garden]

the game

[thick sapphire]

Idk, mobile doesnt track

[restive garden]

oh mobile, that tracks

[thick sapphire]

6921 on steam

[subtle jasper]

[restive garden]

yall cant really active afk

[thick sapphire]

i active afk overnight

sometimes lol

but i do not leave my pc on unless im at it....

[restive garden]

if i were to do thaat, id wake up with a hole burnt into my matress from my phone

[pine mica]

i'm activly away from my keyboardà

[thick sapphire]

not if you turn the display setting down to 0 and set it on the side table.....dont leave it on the bed lol

[restive garden]

i also use my phone n shows to fall asleep

[thick sapphire]

I use gaming to fall asleep lol

[noble blade]

this is the highest I have ever seen!

[thick sapphire]

and i found out yesterday being in w5 makes it faster

so many hours wasted

[restive garden]

ye, w5 town is the fastest for gaming

changes u from like 3-4s respawn to instant if ur at 0

[prisma condor]

Nah, I main DK and AC, half the time is AC for money and liquid and half the time is DK for statues and clusters

[misty bloom]

what does fastest mean in this context

oh

[restive garden]

yus

[thick sapphire]

yeah its like a multi 100% faster

[prisma condor]

It refreshes every second or half second or something, instead of every 5 seconds. So its at least 10x faster if your sprout time is 0.5 sec

[restive garden]

got another 2, ig i ignored my ac for quite a bit, ive already dropped 11

[subtle jasper]

its 5 seconds out of w5 town, 1 second in town

[thick sapphire]

This doesnt respawn every 0 sec like it says unless your in w5 town

you can usually easily Havest all in anywhere else

there basically no chance in w5

[gloomy musk]

4 digits when

[restive garden]

[thick sapphire]

whats your dr

[thick sapphire]

Mines without color.... lol

[restive garden]

40k town

[thick sapphire]

I mean for your orbies

[restive garden]

o, lemme see

[thick sapphire]

I have 54 total. I proabbly missed like at least half of them to pick up

[restive garden]

56 total here

[thick sapphire]

how do you have 100?

[low bobcat]

wish i could get more dr for prisma

[restive garden]

other methods

like evvent whaling, pets, bundles

[thick sapphire]

oh

[restive garden]

the chances for prismas increase the higher worlds u are in

[thick sapphire]

yeah, i just got the rift blob. and i havent gotten much from events

[restive garden]

im just farming my afk crystal on gmush tho, not farmin for prismas

[thick sapphire]

Oh yeah. look at that lol

at gmush

[restive garden]

this is in w6

[prisma condor]

They dont count if you dont pick them up.

[thick sapphire]

Yes they do

[split lion]

Gmush?

[gray bobcat]

a billion kills,no recipe...i guess suggmas have this name for a reason

[thick sapphire]

I literally checked a week ago

[prisma condor]

No they do not. They do on that map until you pick them up, or you go to a new map. If you pick them up, its permanent, if you leave the map, it resets

[thick sapphire]

Oh

[restive garden]

they dont, if u leave map without picking up, chances reset

[thick sapphire]

i didnt check the reset

[prisma condor]

It has to count while they are on the ground, or you could sit there and farm 1000 and then pick them up after

[thick sapphire]

only while on ground

[prisma condor]

But if you forget to pick them up, it resets back

[thick sapphire]

thank god. I was super dissapointed when i thought so

[restive garden]

its the same way with crop stickers, they are counted and added when they get made, not when u collect

[thick sapphire]

I need 3 more stickers

[prisma condor]

Do they reset if you delete the crop? Or do they get collected as soon as they grow you mean so even deleting the crop counts as getting the sticker?

[thick sapphire]

3 crowns, and 2 white color pallet lvls

[restive garden]

nah, they will always be counted, cant reset like prismas, only differencce

[thick sapphire]

ooo bolaia is almost 5 lvls away

[noble blade]

how many u found so far?

[low bobcat]

also any crops that gets removed gets collected so that would mean the sticker would get collected

[restive garden]

56

[noble blade]

ah that's why your chance is still high

[restive garden]

Grok is no longer avvailable to the masses on twitter

only avaaiable for premium and premium+ users, i think that may be a good thing, im not sure

i see wayyyy too many people relying on grok for literally any source of info for an argument

or to look up simple shit

[thick sapphire]

Whats a grok

[noble blade]

dont even use twitter, its dumb

[restive garden]

grok is elons dumb biased ai

[subtle jasper]

grok is this true

[languid sedge]

are there any smart biased ai?

[restive garden]

i dont think anything biased is smart

but theres non biased ai at least

grok will kill the world before elon because it says elons brain is too great to lose

[normal bloom]

AM from i have no mouth and i must scream?

[silent wasp]

uugghhh clanker conversations

[restive garden]

read the convo, its about less people being able to use it

[silent wasp]

I did

[restive garden]

thats a good thing

[silent wasp]

I just dont like it, im glad it's going to be less avaliable

Even if it's a good topic, it's bittersweet

[restive garden]

the less people that caant think with their own head using ai, the better

[silent wasp]

Now they have to make a free chatgpt account instead I guess

[restive garden]

they dont use the info for the info, they use it as "Somebody else, or another source" validating their beliefs

[silent wasp]

Even worse

[restive garden]

ikr

[gloomy cove]

I dont know how i feel about this claim... Rock is that true? 🪨 🤔

[shy tree]

is "Shehabtu link" a good gem purchase?

[silent wasp]

I hope we can all rise up and destroy this shit eventually

[restive garden]

I make use of ai, but I dont generate ai

if its already generated from someone else, theres nothin u can really do

[gloomy cove]

Not really, it becomes useless if you get doot.

[restive garden]

also google just forces ai generation on you for literally every search, just wasting resources for shit nobody asked for

[normal bloom]

no

[noble blade]

https://tenor.com/view/clippy-microsoft-office-word-publisher-gif-5630386 the real AI

[restive garden]

clippy my boy

[silent wasp]

Genuinely

[restive garden]

2 more

[silent wasp]

Yall heard about what's going on in Utah xd

[gloomy cove]

I think theres also a few other "Linked with additional god" buffs elsewhere. I think hole from conjurer points and a research?

[silent wasp]

Yup!

[thick sapphire]

guess ill farm some prisms too

i dont feel like pushing more of the DB MC passive things

lol that was easy

3 more for another little bubble

[silent wasp]

I might hop back on ac for prisms

[noble blade]

it becomes non-existent in a bit

[restive garden]

seems like 5k per bubble dropped rn

was at 26, dropped 2, now 36

[noble blade]

mine is at 76 drops

[restive garden]

58

[subtle jasper]

lava when event mobs

[restive garden]

just use ur event spawns

[silent wasp]

What event spawns

[restive garden]

letters n shells

[silent wasp]

Who even kept those

[restive garden]

me

[silent wasp]

OK, anyone else?

[restive garden]

im a hoarder and a neglector

[ocean matrix]

Question, I unlocked Blue amber in Splunking, but im still getting only Red amber, what am I doing wrong?

[restive garden]

it pays off eventually, if u wait long enough

[silent wasp]

Blue is before red...?

[ocean matrix]

How do i get back to bluethen lol

[restive garden]

make more

[silent wasp]

No red is the final tier

You cant go back to blue. You ONLY deal in red now

[ocean matrix]

can you not get blue or green again?

[silent wasp]

Nope

[restive garden]

you have those

[ocean matrix]

oh my

[restive garden]

its included in the red, they arent seperate currencies

[silent wasp]

Yeah that

[subtle jasper]

you still get amber, the different tiers are just for trimming down the notation

[restive garden]

its like crystal damage and the different colors of damage

its so it doesnt say like 11111111111111111111111 green

[thick sapphire]

lets try to improve a 100k m spunking pebble cove

[native crane]

I havent played for a week why should I get back on

[silent wasp]

Red is a more expensive blue
Blue is a more expensive green
Green is a more expensive orange
Therefore, red is a much much more expensive orange amber, much more expensive green amber, and more expensive blue amber

[thick sapphire]

to click some things

[ocean matrix]

ty

[native crane]

Meh

[thick sapphire]

daily stamp and meal levelings

[subtle jasper]

swap blue and green

[thick sapphire]

passives only activate if you log in once a day

[silent wasp]

Ah. Thought blue was after orange, sorry gng

[subtle jasper]

its orange - blue - green - red

[native crane]

What do you think the next color will be?

[restive garden]

purple

[silent wasp]

Yellow

[subtle jasper]

piss amber

[thick sapphire]

wtf yall talking aboiut

[native crane]

Colors

[restive garden]

colors

[thick sapphire]

im so confused

[native crane]

Colours if you're british

[thick sapphire]

bit colors?

[native crane]

Nahhhhhhh

[restive garden]

the only colors we have been talking about this whole time lol

[native crane]

Bro hasn't been to w7 shhh

[thick sapphire]

amber colors?

Im literally doing this right now

[restive garden]

yes

[native crane]

Isnt amber technically a color

[subtle jasper]

sub optimal amber elixirs

[thick sapphire]

Yall remember what the previous colors were?

[restive garden]

because of the endoscopy, i cant eat or drink after 12.. but it never said anything about having a bowl

[native crane]

That sounds like a terrible idea lmao

[restive garden]

they aree in order in the shop lol

[native crane]

Go for it king

[thick sapphire]

Yall read?

[restive garden]

no, its in picturesa

[thick sapphire]

Yall look at what youre upgrading instead of just seeing arrow and clicking

[restive garden]

i do only because i upgrade in whole numbers

by likes 5s usually

[thick sapphire]

rather than imaginary?

[restive garden]

im already imaginary

[subtle jasper]

how does one upgrade in imaginary numbers

[thick sapphire]

Im wondering how iaedz is getting other numbers besides whole numbers

arnt we all using whole numbers?

Quick. lets ask grock

[restive garden]

depends

[noble blade]

fractions

[hoary mesa]

imagine a number, now imagine making it bigger, congratz, you've now upgraded your imaginary number

[silent wasp]

I only upgrade in natural numbers

[thick sapphire]

ooo number 7 GD in pebble

[subtle jasper]

i only upgrade irrationally

[silent wasp]

We noticed

[restive garden]

im more of a factorial number kinda person nmyself

[subtle jasper]

not with lava rounding

[thick sapphire]

When is lava gonna fix the grand discovery stalling

[subtle jasper]

not a bug, thats just lava punishing you

[silent wasp]

In the googol amount of years it takes to get an update I guess

[thick sapphire]

How dare you make a Grand discovery

[neon verge]

Lol no, not sarcasm. I just didn't think the numbers made much of a difference

[subtle jasper]

ayyy

[thick sapphire]

Yeah, We used to all be limited by the ability of our devices till he removed those

[vernal stag]

So, any more hints?

[thick sapphire]

Yeah, its in #💖future-content-blog

[vernal stag]

Hints, not spoilers

I want more hints to push W6

[thick sapphire]

huh

[green holly]

Anyone wanna add me and send me massive friend bonuses 😉

[vernal stag]

[thick sapphire]

whhat you have a problem with?

I will. Should be done with this spelunking in a moment

[vernal stag]

Me have 42k kills per hour

[thick sapphire]

Your survival and accuracy at 100%?

[vernal stag]

Search "from: Lucas Elizeu", I've got some pics

Here in this channel

[runic umbra]

where you at

[low bobcat]

is there a reason you can't put 4 characters on some sigils

[thick sapphire]

Soul 18 w1 town

[green holly]

On my way to soul 18 w1

[runic umbra]

im there as well

[runic umbra]

which ones you want

[thick sapphire]

I just sent him all

[green holly]

damage and coins ❤️

[thick sapphire]

they carry over and show up after

[green holly]

thanks yall 🙂

[runic umbra]

good luck man

[vernal stag]

Yes

[thick sapphire]

Hows your death note?

[vernal stag]

Have you did what I said?

[runic umbra]

what are you trynna figure out

[vernal stag]

To see the pics I've sent?

[thick sapphire]

No

[vernal stag]

How get more kills in

[timid briar]

no more updates?

[vernal stag]

71%

[low bobcat]

afk% might be low

[runic umbra]

whats your survivability

[vernal stag]

100

[thick sapphire]

hes at 146%

[runic umbra]

send a screen shot of your afk info on the farthest map youve made it to

[low bobcat]

no prayer

[vernal stag]

Is because of gaming

[thick sapphire]

He might not have much

[runic umbra]

you have no multikill, you probably have lowish damage and why do you have no prayers equipped?

[low bobcat]

that upgrade sucks

[vernal stag]

It makes me have all prayers without bads

Even if % of the bonuses

[runic umbra]

thats useless

its better to have some equipped

[thick sapphire]

I mean, its not useless. But I agree its better to equip them

[low bobcat]

it sucks some prayer don't count as being on and the neg from prayers aren't even that bad

[thick sapphire]

unless you cant handle the def and accy debuff. Which usually isnt a problem

[vernal stag]

Ok. Gonna show the ones I have

[runic umbra]

look how many prayers i have equipped

[low bobcat]

it's better to have 100% of prayers you need then 1/5 2/5 or 3/5 of all of them

[subtle jasper]

killing a helpless tree

[runic umbra]

whats your characters stats

[low bobcat]

yep this is another one who rushed worlds

[runic umbra]

you should probably stop pushing 6 and catch up on all the things you need to first

[vernal stag]

Which?

[thick sapphire]

I swear this aint doing anything...

[low bobcat]

take it slow and stop rushing so much

[subtle jasper]

everything

[runic umbra]

pushing alchemy is a big one

[vernal stag]

Ok, gonna see somethings

[tepid saddle]

why are future requirements and cost to max different, whats the difference

[runic umbra]

you should check out idleon auto review and itll help you determine what to work on and where youll get the most help

[low bobcat]

future isn't all upgrades it's like the next 10

[thick sapphire]

lol that damage increase is shit.

[tepid saddle]

ok thanks

[gray cloak]

idleon auto review my beloved

[low bobcat]

or the next one

[thick sapphire]

!ie

[livid sequoia]

https://idleonefficiency.com/ Unofficial 3rd party site made by Sludger

[thick sapphire]

No, fuck IE

which one is the command for the review https://ieautoreview-scoli.pythonanywhere.com/?player=drdoofus&beta=False

[low bobcat]

!review

[livid sequoia]

https://ieautoreview-scoli.pythonanywhere.com/ - Unofficial 3rd party site made by Scoli
If you need help, please use https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1174753262365315203

[thick sapphire]

there she is

[runic umbra]

auto review is great for catching up

[restive garden]

@turbid tendon

wadu heck

[subtle jasper]

oh cool, minecraft java has friending now

[thick sapphire]

Thats off topic!

Ban them!

[charred heath]

Ooh a peice of candy

[restive garden]

i despise customor service

[craggy plank]

finally seeing +5 from time to time

[tawny magnet]

Brr brr patapim

[turbid tendon]

Didn’t even keep the account long enough to try and get it corrected

[thick sapphire]

2 GRAND discoveries

in one day. super happy

[silent wasp]

Dude im gonna die before I get the next prisma bubble

1 in 775k in w6

[subtle jasper]

new pb

[rustic shard]

when upd

[subtle jasper]

3 fortnights

[rustic shard]

ok

[silent wasp]

Every time the word update is mentioned lava adds another hour to the clock

[craggy plank]

[silent wasp]

Filter that from the last update date

[craggy plank]

[subtle jasper]

i probably have more channels enabled

[silent wasp]

So like 148 days

[craggy plank]

prob

[restive garden]

HES BUGGIN BRO

[silent wasp]

Get comfy everybody

[craggy plank]

just a handful of months

[thick sapphire]

ooo 2 in 1 run

wait maybe not

it still stuck on that one?

[turbid tendon]

Surely thats AI, even the offshore support is better than that

[restive garden]

nope

i went from the ai to a real agent

bros spamming me with and again before deactivating the convo like what

gotta wait another week now smh

[turbid tendon]

tell them to give you 2 free weeks for the hassle

[thick sapphire]

Nvm, i just now got a second one for the run lol

[charred heath]

FINALLY THEY ARE REAL

[restive garden]

they switched me back over to the ai, could i convince the ai to do it

[turbid tendon]

its your time

[restive garden]

i know some ais in the past had a flaw thatd give discount codes for like 100% off if u convinced it

even if it didnt exist, if it was part of the website, itd create one

[charred heath]

i already got my 2d one

[subtle jasper]

wasnt there some way for chatgpt to also give some sort of codes for microsoft or something

[charred heath]

bruh it took me 3 months to get the first

[turbid tendon]

Imagine if idleon had AI support

Someone would try to get free gems and the spaghetti would block it

[restive garden]

probably lol

spaghetti code would block the ai from doing anything

its like the backrooms for chat egents

[glass spire]

!guide

[livid sequoia]

Mid-Late Game guide for World 3 / 4 / 5:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml
Video Guides (by GriffyBit):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVGSDQs1AcvjYTAPtYV6ofbeeEfHpEcb4

[subtle jasper]

hurry

still gotta do 1 more level too

[grizzled pewter]

Noob upgrade

[turbid tendon]

My salt is losing traction

[restive garden]

what kinda salt u using

[turbid tendon]

white salt

[restive garden]

but like what brand

[turbid tendon]

knowing lava, great value

[restive garden]

mmm, that could have adverse effects

[restive garden]

just chain

[tranquil fog]

anybody else glad this has become basically unplayable on mobile so you don't have to bother anymore

[turbid tendon]

I don't wanna

[noble blade]

make sure u turn on traction control

[restive garden]

youll have max sushi in a day

[turbid tendon]

I did that from christmas to february

[restive garden]

put the effort to chain for at least a day to get the max sushi, then u can ignore it and just salt ur way

[tranquil fog]

it's the primary way I've been able to play for the past 2 years and it's just gotten worse every update somehow

[turbid tendon]

bad game engine tbh

[restive garden]

this games no longer a mobile game, its more of a steam and web game than anything

requires more resources than some of my other games that i actually play and dont just idle

[tranquil fog]

yeah I think lava said it's a primarily steam game when w6 released

which is super cool and a good way to avoid fixing the constant crashes

[turbid tendon]

I mean I can still play it on my iphone, but I haven't bothered since he did the scuffed research XP / Sushi scaling nonsense, then also leaving my character in fountain for weeks

[restive garden]

i just left fountain like yesterday

[turbid tendon]

he can't actually fix this stuff, he's just doing bandaids

[restive garden]

doing gmush now

[restive garden]

lavas favorite bandaid is a pet with massive bonuses

[rustic shard]

anyone know what the orange things are

[restive garden]

how many obhjects u found

[thick sapphire]

discoveries

[valid pulsar]

the discoveries you've found per cavern

[tranquil fog]

but the bandaids include new content where you get super time gated unless you can literally keep the game open all day every day

[restive garden]

thats definitely how its been going this year so far

ever since lava started focusing steam numbers

[valid pulsar]

i hope he thanks my 3 month uptime sacrifice

[restive garden]

i hope he thanks my multiple years of uptime

i bet ive spent more on the power bill for idleon than the packs

[valid pulsar]

my electricity bill is why i can't afford packs

[valid pulsar]

beat me to it

[noble blade]

restart...

[valid pulsar]

nah only idleon gains matter

[restive garden]

OnlyIdle

[left linden]

Wish I could still be full uptime 🙁 I even had to get some afk research yuck

[valid pulsar]

🥲

[restive garden]

yikes

[thick sapphire]

Hummm

Yoou must spend a lot of time active

[subtle jasper]

with daily

[slow depot]

there can only be one chub

[valid pulsar]

see my 93 days uptime screenshot

[restive garden]

[valid pulsar]

if i had this multi i'd probably actually afk lmao

[turbid tendon]

Look at all these skips

[valid pulsar]

probs in IT

[restive garden]

[turbid tendon]

[valid pulsar]

yep, in IT

[left linden]

Huge nice nice

[restive garden]

theres prob some higher that havent uploaded

[turbid tendon]

whats your current mag setup?

[valid pulsar]

that's some nice coloring in rows 1-3

[turbid tendon]

damn when do you get 3 mags per node?

[restive garden]

70

[valid pulsar]

lvl 70

[left linden]

Mine isnt too far behind i think

[restive garden]

yeah, ur basically there

only 9x to go

[left linden]

The 12 hour research event buff was huge

[turbid tendon]

[restive garden]

oh yeah, def

[valid pulsar]

yea im glad i was able to get that lol; had 2 event points leftover

[restive garden]

the shape and research tourney thing are both pretty big

[left linden]

I was like 50 points shy of shape rip

[restive garden]

rip ur star

[subtle jasper]

[left linden]

Always next event if the game ever updates

[raven shadow]

no, my dear undergeared mage, that is NOT a marbiglass axe

[restive garden]

next event prob wont have shape

[left linden]

I know but a man can dream

[restive garden]

i think shape came in 1 event, skipped 1, then came back

so may skip another before comin back

[subtle jasper]

im hoping next event's new forbiddens are shit so i dont have to buy them and can buy higgs if its there

[restive garden]

i hope they are good

[valid pulsar]

atp, all my gems are being saved for events 🥲

[restive garden]

same, 3500 a day is pricyyyy

i think i didnt do like 4 days this event

[valid pulsar]

yea i somehow got like 6 or 7 jackpot nametags and the only 5th year anni tag i got was from the box pity

[restive garden]

if i had gems like dat, id do 20 everyday, even after getting all 5 of the tags

[turbid tendon]

only on some events, theres some where the rewards are too shit

[restive garden]

i start saving after i get the last tag tho

[restive garden]

true

the event points alone tho are decent to spin for

[slow depot]

Blue ball events 😩🥰

[restive garden]

we love balls

[subtle jasper]

i need WW arcade bonus back

[turbid tendon]

where tf is this koi pond

[restive garden]

neew pfp? nice coat

[valid pulsar]

the observation?

[turbid tendon]

yea

[restive garden]

trench fish?

[slow depot]

Yeee tyty 🙂

[restive garden]

thats the fun obvservaation

[turbid tendon]

I clicked the trench fish, ffs I can't read

[valid pulsar]

yea have fun

[restive garden]

i got mine first try tho

[valid pulsar]

mine was like 30th

[restive garden]

oof

[valid pulsar]

doesnt even matter; i can't even use it lmao

[turbid tendon]

it makes you fall off every time?

[main ibex]

i want dem BALLZ

[lethal oak]

Dad?

[valid pulsar]

unless you're quick at clicking; but on mobile pretty much impossible

[restive garden]

mine was first try because of how many days i let the research node go without hitting anything, since i had everything

[lethal oak]

Oh. That stacks? Good to know ill hit 70 tomorrow

[restive garden]

i think it does aanyways, my ffirst roll was a 102

[valid pulsar]

i think that's just good luck lmao

[lethal oak]

Ill research it tomorrow. Hahaha get it. Research

[restive garden]

my obvservaation luck has always been good, wont lie

[raven shadow]

finally, my first real weapon

[valid pulsar]

congrats and 🖕

[turbid tendon]

FUCK I HIT 100 INSTEAD OF 102

[restive garden]

since they were added, i think i had like 5 days total or something where i didnt hit a single one

[lethal oak]

Noob

[lethal oak]

Skill issue?

[thick sapphire]

What you mean real?

[restive garden]

prob why my research is so far along

[raven shadow]

i dont think a spear compares to a material literally called "godshard"

[restive garden]

ur first real weapon is when u first get misc stats on ur weapon

[turbid tendon]

Sir I will curse your steak

[subtle jasper]

my body is genuinely aching from no MC resource week

body hurts thinking of it

[restive garden]

this is what i consider the first real weaapon