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you cant trick me i seen it
..damn
I mean after 40 years of like, "yeah the protagonist is like a 16 year old guy who can't express, communicate, or show emotions" it's incredibly refreshing
i dont watch that tbh id like to read that stuff
like yk that one special manga ๐ค
6 digit tag code
the real special ones
?
Zombieland Saga? Idk
very popular phonk song i think metamorphosis or something..
What is tbhk
toilet bound hanako kun a very good story about depression and stuff
it isnt that good rewatched it not long ago and it didnt give the feels it gave in the first watch
oh that i didnt try
tbh it's hard to recommend anime to you because like my 5 go to recommendations are like jjk, Chihayafuru, March Comes in like a Lion, Your Lie in April, something else I forgot that you've already seen
you like jjk?
cool
pls dont spoil didnt even started the 2nd season
you'd like the hanako arc it goes in deep detail about hanako killing tsubasa
i wont dw
wow thank you
I gave minor spoiler but deleted :x
so you like nobara "hammer lady" kugisaki huh
i did read the manga but i forgotten most of it
I mean yeah, her archetype is like "a blacksmith's daughter", that's pretty cool
Women belong in the forge crafting, uh, horseshoes and swords or whatever
do you seek good isakei or you dont even want to touch this genre?
why does this SChow take so long 
watched everything mostly but sure spitball some
i guess the main stream of mushoku tesnei and rezero you watched?
yea
Are my messages actually disappearing or did you see my last recommendation
also eminence and stuff
think they are
The best isekai ngl
I think I know which anime title is causing the issue
well yes tho konosuba and eminnence in shadow is also there
much better than b4
after platifying genie and poop itll become 100'sh
So the anime most likely automatically deleting my messages involves a character named Tsukasa who plays an online game as a Wavemaster. Digging deep beyond that, Paranoia Agent really worked for me, uh, I've been meaning to watch Serial Experiments Lain and oh the other possible problematic name
Yuri on Ice
thats some nice show
Okay yeah it was the first one, other than that Owl House isn't anime but was pretty good imo
owl house? isnt it a carton show and the fc a lesbian?
idk what fc means but yes cartoon
like mc but in female
oh I thought mc stood for main character not male character ๐ , but sort of? I think in both Witch from Mercury and Owl House the main character is technically bi but winds up with another girl?
it doesnt?
huh
I'm not great at thinking in gendered terms, one of my best friends recently got very frustrated trying to explain girl dinner to me
it is main character but most of the time i believe they use it as male so fc is for woman for me
why make a gender neutral term gendered?
cus novels made change it
"okay so she's eating a hard boiled egg, mac n cheese, some strawberries, that all seems fine, getting carbs, protein and calcium from the dairy, protein from the egg, a bit of fruit" "No that's girl dinner" "but it covers a wide range of nutritional needs what makes it girl to get your nutrition?"
i find nothing on the internet that would suggest fc is a term used
anywhere
only thing i see is FC being used as "fan character" instead of an OC "original character"
it mostly used as female lead and not as the main character himself but when there are more then 1 main character and one of them are female it makes it more ez to talk about each one tho there might not be that much that actually use it
so like best actor oscar vs best actress oscar
FC in the later is for true football
football character?
fc
Football Club
oh
Liverpool FC means Liverpool Footbal Club
well i dont watch football so
People talk about things in different ways, I'm just not really set up to think in terms of the main character being a specific gender
Or there even necessarily being one main character
mc is a genderless term yes
I watch too many sci fi shows were like 7 people are main cast :x
sorry just chacked its used as fmc for famle lead
then you gotta use mmc as well
mc itself is genderless
because it stands for main character
Yo did anyone know 5 mins afk with omniphau gives 1 hour or claims??
it doesnt
It does
it doesnt
You wanna see?
The only time Iโve seen anyone use femc is for persona
And thatโs because the main character was originally a guy
I regularly get messages when hopping between characters like "+1 hour for GAMING" and then it's like 3 minutes
omni isnt coded to tell you the minutes
What?
bruh come on
isnt it jsut visual that says 1 hour?
Guys, which boss best for farming this item? normal or chaotiั?
you actually thought?
is femc even for persona as a whole or just like persona 3?
Bu-but it says
normal gives most per key if I'm not mistaken
Exactly what I meant just 3
chaotic you also need the wings
Because itโs a spin-off
uhh the spin off meaning like the bonus content from Persona 3 FES?
No like P3P
the P stands for portable?
New persona is so ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ
yeah the portable games or arena games are a bit... different
Played a demo here in japan and damn i want to buy ps5 now
new persona as in P3 reloaded?
Yea
Reloaded looks fire
I still have my ps2 and P3 disc
Wings drops from nightmare boss?
your new game is my history 
P3P was my life back then
I mean honestly, it really needed the most updating of any modern persona game (1+2 remake pls also)
Doubtful we get a 1-2 because they are oldsona
yess like in every other boss
most of P3 is wandering through the most basic looking ass floors to climb 200 stories in a tower
is it a 1% something
At least itโs fast lol
its only from nightmare
a yes the best kind
wow I just realized... I legit forgot about equinox for about 5 days
The palaces in p5 were crazy tho
P5 made P3 and P4 look like a giant pile of turds and I loved it
Meh p4 still holds up imo
until Shido's palace..... way too long, I aint playing it again cause I know I'll have to listen to that goddamn theme again
it was like the 20th or 25th anniversary persona and my god lots of love in it
just realized that i wrote chaotic and you asked between normal and chaotic without nightmare
I like shidos palace
I actually liked all of persona 5 music
My least favorite was P4 for music
yeah but just too long in my opinion
Playing P5 after it came out was just amazing, every area, every scene, everything just worked
however then there was the mementos depths that had an awesome... depressing music
super relaxing
which boss has better drop rate for it? normal or chao?)
The music is just so good. I still get a little relaxing wave when I hear some Tokyo daylight
If anyone is just coming into chat and wondering why it's so off topic: people are discussing what to do whilst idleing
I think it only drops from nightmare tbh
if shido's palace wasnt so long maybe it would've been one of my favorite
If you only want the pendant go with normal
sadly besides mementos depths.... Sae takes the cake
every boss drops it
Imo his palace wasnโt even long
oh go with what agam and xayayah said then
When I played both play throughs it didnโt feel any longer
yo, look at who's here
how long did it take you?
thanks)
I want to play P5 again now smh
Idk I beat the whole game in 85 hours
time wise its better caho but chance wise (keys, gems and other stuff) its better normal
bruh
I didnโt check from palace to palace
well it probably took me over an hour
I'm done for now, time to go 
the thing is
Over an hour?
6 hours of sleep 
since Sae's palace I am overleveled
I WAS OVERLEVELED
I'll at least get 6h and 30min lol
can't feel exhausted if you don't know what well rested feels like pro gamer tip
Yeah but youโre complaining about them being long lol
The boss fights took 30 minutes for some 
tip for life
yeah, go say that to okumura
if a persona 5 palace took me a long time to clear that just means I got to enjoy more time playing P5 ๐ ๐
Least favorite boss
I made sure to give myself an hour before looking at the Discord haha
Seems to be a good decision, since it's just Persona talk 
I guess you go to bed in like an hour or two?
wait til you fight P5R's Okumura
If you donโt have the elements in an aoe attack or are too underleveled he is impossible
Already done
imagine having another timed phase... in the same fight
nah, I'll just go now, its already almost 5:30AM
Also I play on the hardest difficulty lol
Same
okay it isn't intentionally just persona talk but more of a discussion while we idle about things we all enjoy and might also do whilst idling
it started with anime recommendations whilst idling
as I said... I WAS OVERLEVELED
isnt it just skill issue then?
Itโs okay if you took izanaki picaro at the start of your play through
I donโt judge like myriad truths does
your level doesnt affect how long it takes to finish a palace outside of battles
didnt have
I had a dragon that had a big gun skill
I'm gonna ask my best friend to get me Royale for my birthday
when fighting Sae I hit a 999
I think that if I'm blessed with a few printer go brr and omni procs I might get this when I wake up 
nice
NVM it's on sale for $30 till jan 4th
not just me right these things just dont wanna become T5
I'm going to repeatedly mention to my best friend how much I want persona royale and if she decides to spend $30 on me it is because she is great and lovely
I assume you will progress them but max the S-links for the new characters when you play
Thereโs new content but you need to max the new links for it
my friend kept eating at big bang burger...
Where is big bang burger
in Persona 5
ohhh that's the place that basically just tests your stats and either you pass because you're so good or you fail because your kung fu is weak
Jk, well you will have to go there eventually for a sub quest... it's in one of the two city maps
its... a restaurant
actually
Uhm can you introduce me to that said friend? ๐ฅบ
๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
its even part of a main quest if I remember right
I know I just thought there was a challenge burger that was difficult to actually finish unless you had the right stats
I mean I could but I've known her for 12 years so she may be more friendly towards me
ye, that's what I remember from the burger
I finally unlocked nullo let's fucking goo
how do I figure out if my captain has good base stats?
Finally I can get voidinator
gz on nullo, now get 8k for a single troll set
You can't buy idleon toolbox shows if a certain captian in shop is better than your current one
+10k for a single worship skull
IE and IT shows basestats of captains
Just gonna get voidinator and atom collider and then slowly fix my refinery
And you can look at your bonus you get divide it by captain level and figure out the original bonus that way
Is it just me or is silkskin>wooden trapd
Nature traps and Royal Traps is where it's at
the only trap I use is honeypot
Gonna unlock em quick i finally got the rift bonus
you are going to afk on world 5 mobs using exp from monster cards instead of damage unless it impacts your kills per hour
now time to work my way upto 11 and then abandon rift until i can get more dmg
@teal lynx thank you. Is there anyway to change boat base stats?
boat base stats?
You can only upgrade the Loot and Speed Value
upgrade the boat
you will never stop upgrading the boat, it will only become less frequent
left for 10 mins came back to see myself 1 level up and this
turn in the quest you neglector
done
go finish crystallin chest on last map world 1, those stamps fill up so much inventory space
alr
bruh how do you only have 2 bags in w5
i finally unlocked cans
i forgot to crop that 
if you knew it was something you should hide then you know it's something you need to work on
Idk this what I see on IT
You upgraded loot 28 times on boat 1. This is my lategame boat 1 - 167 loot upgrades 133 speed
pfft sounds like a pretty mid game boat
yeah its how many times you upgraded your boats
I only needed the Achievement 
nvm checked my boat levels you're fine
ya know, as someone who has barely progressed past me and uh my boats are really good but I can't show you them because they left port already
Btw, I have left most of my characters in lab doing lab/div for quite awhile (I have Doot), and I want them to start progressing again w/ lvls. Am I right in thinking that they can get faster lab exp later or is it always the same?
lvl 300 boat is only the beginning. But I don't wanna farm the last island right now
they will not gain any significant boost in lab exp
I would say if you can reach the end of Lab you are good to take them out of lab
this is not a Professional Gamer approved strat but I have a second bubo who just sits in lab forever to casually give lab exp through talents to everyone
gotta get 153 div levels though
this is the way 
stupid aura wont crit
I could maybe reach the end of lab if my connect length was longer to each node
just get some crit chance
forget side nodes and just get to last node if possible
i have like 50 ๐ฆ
it increases your connection range so you can go back and reconnect the nodes you lost
also works if you break the link; if your lab set up could reach last node with last node bonus you'll reach it when fixing your connection
this quenchy monster is always 1 hp omg
I don't think this works before the first time you connect to it but after that time it's pretty yolo idc about it
no T7 
@shy flame wow I didn't realize what the last node was Lol
Now I can get everything, just missing some jewels
me too, but getting that connection bonus is excellent
If I take my Lab Bubo out for some minor tasks I break connection, move one person barely at all just to refresh the connections, boom, back to maxed out lab
Maybe your bubo is not the only... uh... person who could improve
tbh I can't tell if I'm giving you good advice for progress or if you're making progress just to spite me
idk
gj either way lol
i did it tho finally my aura critted
what rift level you at now?
go-good job champ
I think youre much more ahead than me
You can go for like 21 or even 26
these hitboxes are so weird
No they can't
The reason I keep telling them to focus on leveling is its taking like a few hours per rift level and I don't think it's the best use of their time :x
Now im stuck with 5m afk kills
siege breakers cannon ball hitbox is weird asf
oh the afk kills levels just suck
Yea i dont want to do that shit
"Hey, no matter what your level and damage you can beat this round... eventually"
My prio was just skill mastery so im done with rift
these fucking mobs keep taking the fireball for this shit
yeah, I love the skilling cards being passive
Leveling is fast enough just push til wurms and youre close or atleast in lv300
Heck im at citrus and ive gone from lv 150 to 280 now ๐
I'm tired but only need 1500 more pecunia statues 
Dk from 166 to 330
man fucking keep climbing up the rope cos of this mf's hitbox
That jump always feels good to remember 
why does archer classes walk up to the enemy face omfl
omg this game is pissing me off this stupid monster is just on top of me so my none of the siege breakers skills hit him
The crazy part is the hitbox of those damn SB Skills being 100km away from where it should be
Thats why i hate going active sb
If it wasnt for rift hes staying in lab forever lmao
i finally did it holy shit this stupid hitbox the mega monster has the hitbox of the small monsters so its even harder
man i can feel the blood sugar levels rising
what are the best cards to 5*?
both
Or things like Doot that takes some time, but are basically in every card set
You definitely want Poop + Genie at 5 Star and every drop rate card (most should be manually farmed)
to do 180 orb kills what orb level is suggested?
I havent unlocked 5* cards but im currently focusing on getting the genie cards....
And then you will basically complete World 1-3 Cards when you eclipse them and don't forget to maybe get some skilling cards leveled
I personally used a cardifier on 5* Genie and 5* Mr Brightside. I couldn't bother to grind them out, but I'm not sure if it's recommended
Looks good 
I got one 5* cardifier
when does orb reach 120 seconds?
Some of them will probably turn ruby if you unlock it
I'm at 123 seconds at level 233
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That's a really hard question 
painful...
can this day go any faster ๐ฆ
But not one of those resources you showed. Most resources are kinda easy and can be candied
?
Yeah just run omni for 5 min and get an hour of progress
This is an obvious joke
They need the salt
what'll that do does it even boost refinery
yeah! use squire!
visual bug bamboozled me ๐ฆ
Omni can get refinery speed ups yeah
?? but theres no talent to it
...
alr done
how fast are your cycles?
10k probably
IE shows it
do you get 5 infinite star signs when you unlock it?
"Max cycle: 55 sec" for example
oh cycles...i dunno why i confused it for the skill cd
visual bug? cos i got no shinies
Pretty easy killroy this week 
I hate you
My 1992 cries 
do you need to level up atom collider to unlock more bonuses...cos i wanan reach the nblb atom
(please be no)
No you just need the atoms for it
oh thank lord
with the jewel im set for atom collider in a few weeks just need to reach teh shattered skulls map
use horn and try again
I did
My first one was 1980
Could probably have got it if I booked my bubo revive talent
Itโs only booked to fit tremor worms lol
is this thing good
gotta max everything
That works in killroy?
Yea
Only revives the mobs that are normally on map
And cooldown only goes down when you kill them
where is the code claim reaper for idle skilling currently?
Dreadlo
Last mining map
Slip Slidy Ledges
thanks ๐
below the portal
says i already claimed even though i just unlocked god damn game
Man trying to get 2 idle skilling trophies 
nah i gave up on idle skilling during event last year now im back trying to get first one ๐
So you had an account and already used codes. Now u did a new game?
no i got to mountains last time, just reached the mist now and tried to claim mist code but apparently i did already
doesnt matter ill go to next reward and hope that one works 
i havent even reached rebirth yet ๐
I just remembered I never did finish omori :0
Look. Here is the problem
You had an account and already used codes on the other account - You can't get rewards from the new account, even tho you never used that code
no protection ๐
You got the Gems and Card Packs on Account one. So you need to finish the game on Account one
I think heโs on the same account
its the same account...
Just forgot where he got to
It read to me as you did a new account...
it doesnt matter ill go to next reward and pray

i hate this damn game with a passion though ๐ so glad he chose to focus on idleon instead
Please please please buy the atom now and don't gamble more
10, but yeah
Rip 4 months of snail mail lol
oh yeh, 10*
Accumulate snail mail, get the atom and gamble for 22. You will be set with a decent nug
300!!!
his shell is still red, he hasnt learnt the grind yet 
Does one re-roll the ice guard obols and if yes- what do I aim for? higher DR?
Whats max DR on these? Got 8% atm
Bet
I need gems
+9 is max dr
most people do it for the trophy but yh.. lol ๐
Als is there any site that can let me see the cost of reaching a certain tower level?
technically glitterbug is somewhat good for leveling right ?
The wiki shows the cost of reaching certain stamp levels but anything for tower levels?
Once I reach desert how will I get the gems ๐ค
2 extra crystals won't give you much. You are just lowering your chance for Gems + TIme candies
i dont think so.... you would be sacrificing extra exp, gems and candy for a few more crystals, which is already very easy too grind
while on that note, how much xp do giant mobs give ?
Insert the code you will get at the last mining area (maybe town still works? - Just try)
Last mining area..don't tell me you mean the dreadlo one
o7 we've lost another one to idle skilling
Don't you need 1 mil void ore to unlock that?
nope
its not ores, its mining level
Cos my game crashes if I try to tp there
level 60? i think
u need 1M void ore for achievement
My game straight up crashes when i to there ๐
i dont even remember tbh, but i think its an okay boost from normal mobs
40x xp i think?
skill issue
oh nevermind then
๐ฆ
think it says passage locked or something
there a thing you need to do to unlock it?
cept
Anyone has the Math for How Many pearler Shells i Need to get everything?
about 1112M should be fine
so whats next
Excluding Vials ofc
lmao if only ๐ฆ
as in for all chars or for 1 ?
can you link your acc to idle skilling i have an old account
if on steam then yes
i dont see a settings or log in option
the nonsteam ver iirc cant be linked
Either one, i can multiply by 10 then lol
so if i have non steam ver progress i cant transfer that to steam ?
Seems like 80 for all tools. Times 10 = 800 pearlers
Then there are bags, but you can just the new ones
113 per char if I calculated right
But clicking through 12 things shouldn't be that hard...
25 for troll and 8 for bags If you count that yeah
8 for bags ( if you're going for those... which u shouldnt ), 25 for troll gear, 80 for the tools
oh wait... there's another bag with 25
With bags and Troll armor?
so it's 109 per char + 33 for bags for slab
what should i get for the w5 gem shop items
dang
sprinkler, chest slug
not bad
should i try getting 4 sprinklers as soon as possible?
no, just 1 is fine
oke thanks
wth is a raid in idle skilling
this wasnt there when i played we had autocast unlocked
essentially another boss fight
this like at the end of a world?
I have a question, lets say i have 2 gold ๐ง obols that are each 8% droprate. I want to combine them into 1 hexagon droprate. Should I use the 2 8%, or is that a waste of them and should I do it with an 8% and a 6%?
wait... how's it possible that my ES has more crit chance than my bubo?
due to the statue talent
do they not affect everyone?
nope, just a area in portals where u fight boss for rewards
no???
WHAT?!
alr time to find this
they only affect the character with the talent
They do affect all but the statues talent buffs them iirc
Morning all, what's the command to get trapping chart?
i aint talking about the statues, im talking about the talent
this is not an account wide buff
cause I want my bubo to get this
why?
low crit
!trappingchart
Why it's no use above 200
nothing above 200% does anything
Portal->Raid
imagine this 
and maybe one day we'll get a talent that boosts that even more above 200%
u can get crit chance on shimmer island tho
???
never noticed
because crit chance doesnt matter anymore
my 2nd ES has 635.6%
They mean a Crit Chance trial - Not actual crit chance
oh
Atleast I think you can't get flat crit chance on Shimmer Island
:DDDD
nice!
time to make troll builds 
same level as you huh
only 1 voidinator needed? his range so small
nothing above 200% does anything he says
makes the opps no longer special and stops them from taking their drugs
ik fam
voidinator got the babiest range
The range is not gonna get much bigger per level - It adds up over time, but the main purpose is to just put it in front (most of the time) and get those damn special effects gone
It doesn't need range if enemies immediatelly get hit upon spawning
I'm currently on the "getting actual levels on your towers" grind
voidinator only level 14 
What plant do I go for next

Mine is 34 
Still very expensive in TD runs
Berry Bush. Try to get the biggest Bush 
Your statues make my kung fu look weak but I might get snake vial 13 before you
george?
I was looking into getting a big licker
also SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
by big licker do you mean like an anteater?
long live choco chip cookie
statue farming before choco chip then finally getting it and statue farming with it was like mainlining heroin
Also an excellent choice 
is there any way to sort captains? i find the sailing ui rlly hard to use
okay that is less of an anteater and more like a victrebell
I don't think there is. It's just really bad to use
if you want to see captains stats check IE
there you can see to which ship they are assigned too
It is just difficult to use. I wanted to upgrade a captain recently but their ship was like hiding under another ship and I checked like multiple times over a week and never saw the captain's letter
sent like 8 ships back to shore to finally find them :x
When I say it was under another ship I mean I couldn't find the number or letter
wave prediction?
5+
holy hell
you're correct
did you get the equinox wirship buff?
no lightning towers?
I wasted a week because I'm apparently just a gigantic moron
nah...its just well hidden
so i skipped 10 waves and now im facing 100k hp
share your wave coward I know you cropped to intentionally not show it
Looks like wave 50 
I'm too dumb to do sailing but I at least am wise to your trickery
I was right. The picture shown was wave 50 
I'd like to issue a second holy hell because Xayayah apparently can recognize TD progress on sight
skipped 50 directly to 60 lmao but i managed to get thru
what obsession does to a person
What's your current max level for goblins?
It was more or less a guess. I know Adeepta is not far and upgrading tower to level 5+ and 140 damage on poison would mean around Wave 50 
think 76 but my "best" is 71 since i couldnt do 76
what the hell
That's about what I could do at that point, although I used boulders because my poison was very low level and hadn't quite caught up to boulders yet
my boulder is 44, so uh, I needed at least a few levels in poison
80 is a reasonable and good goal but maybe don't spam mobs
70 should be the easy wave. So 80 u will die
๐ ๐ ๐
But Wave 70 with a level 2 poison, no equinox upgrade is more than I expected
did 70
still think they should clear 80 no equinox bonus lvl 2 poison
what can i say
im just that much of a troller ig 
Did u die after 70 or accepted your loss and gave up early?
you're someone with more perseverance than sense not a troller
i just got to wave 100, with lvl 35 boulder rollers, it was better than the poisonics
gz new year's eve and got way more than a kiss at midnight
struggles 
and what would that be
ah right... that reminds me... I should finally finish my TDs for equinox
How can i beef him up a bit
Is there pins for goblin defense position?
@open lava
https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1084925174517866496
In here there are the new guides for high level TDs
what
Tytt
You failed to hit 80 and your immediate response was to try another combo
wave 80 with non meta td setup is my goal
also apparently you aren't the only adeepta in this channel
what really
There's also Adeepta (Gainz Arc) or whatever
It's Adeepta. The same Adeepta you are talking to
I considered that I just get confused as to why people make alts
who?
But for some reason - unknown to humanity - they got 2 accounts
who does
@wide halo you are being requested in w5 chat to face your clone
Who's my clone
God of neglectors Adeepta
There is so much to this Question
Opal Rings, Magma Armor, Alchemy + Stamps, Sailing Artifacts, Statue levels, Cooking meals, Even more TD waves gives you more damage. Basically everything gives you damage, but the most damage you will get from Crystal Steak in Sailing and Alchemy
In like 90% sure he's just a fan
thanks, whats crystal streak
@open lava are you a fan?
of whom
Gainz Arc
no?
5th last Artifact. At Eldritch it's 6% damage per 100 Luk
And the last Bubble in Alchemy also gives the same but for every 250 stats
I feel like I'm either being messed with or I took shrooms and am now like "guys, you need to know the truth about 9/11" and I just start folding 20 dollar bills origami style
oh thiss dumbass?
dont know the guy apparently he joined later than me tho
Xayayah seems to have voted in favor of me using stoner logic
#lategame-chat-w5๐-w6๐ธ message
I won't give you more hints to your answer
Who you calling a dumbass 
I think there's an easy explanation for all of this
The explanation is.... that I am dumb
damn my party towers arent high enough lvl to reach to the end of the map... aka 1 of my poisons
You are dumb
you are
Yes, everyone already knows this
The W5 TD? It's somewhere around lvl 70 that it hits the left most one
Why you got two accounts
oh I'm dumb and my towers are trash oh
I got rid of the first Kraken for a second poison
Who?
I might do something similar, and put 1 lightning instead of that leftmost one
So my Layout was something like. Void, Freeze, Poison, Poison, Kraken, Kraken, Freeze
Oh Lightning for the Crit Chance might not be bad
are there TD guides somewhere?
Won't give as much damage, but it's much safer
Only tower placement guides
I got it
Only boulder rollers
I'm a genius
no use voidinator party bois and frozones too
ye I'll go for this for now and add more party to the right next to kraken
Hmm I wonder if you hit 120 with that
so far at 90 no problems
I feel like more Partys to the right will result in not enough Krakens, but I might be wrong
so you listened when I said use boulders but decided that meant to ONLY use boulders? ๐
let me cook ๐ฅ
could be, tho I think more krakens are less for the 120 and more for the 140+
If I'm letting you cook I'm leaving the house all day with the stove turned on high
Could be. I died 150 
Believe in rock
I believe in rock but you don't rock
\
I'll reach 150 with this fr
I dont think you understand how stupid 8 parties will be
no I uh, I'm sure it'll be very stupid
Need a void to lock down some shitjeads and I'm done
what Pancake doesnt usually tell you, but I found is really important, is the attackspeed of Void rather than krakens
oh... well then...
hate to sound like Starship Troopers but I would like to know more
I got 1 second on void stack speed
He tells you the attack speed of Krakens. So I always tried to go for that threshhold and my Void was nearly perfect then. I often used an early void at the end so random mobs couldn't insta kill me
so far so good ๐ฆ
ye I usually just lvl the void early to counter that... since it's quite hard for me to hit the kraken threshold
I often times used 1/2 more parties on full A . Not sure if I did that on TD5
no dmg on top this way
you make me think of that Uncle Roger video where he freaks out seeing someone on BBC making rice, not washing it, and having to drain the liquid at the end
i think this is about the setup i used, we'll see how far it gets this time around
i saw that one
use my setups for high waves ong
bro needs all this when im doing the same with a meme build lmao
proves rock can do anything in w1 td
say that again at cans
you make its abs... rock hard
if you lose before wave 80 I want an apology
lost 1 health point
i will lmao wave 76 is impossible
one party left
you don't have to apologize for anything specifically it would just be emotionally satisfying for me to get a vague nondescript apology for seeing all your bouldercore nonsense
fuck i accidentally skipped a wave
i dont even need an alarm for daily reset now, i just listen for when my computer fan starts revving up from all the crystal spawns duplicating from choco chip lol
well shit
idk how many free ones i have now but was funny seeing everything grind to a halt
@shy flame hey i tried ๐ฆ
I am waiting for you to say something else that you don't need to say but it would make me feel vindicated
the stupidity of 1.03 s boulder caught up to me
who said its over haha
nvm
its over
did you get new max level of 80?
yea
okay no need to apologize, I'll settle for thank you for telling you to use boulder
thanks
yw I am glad it worked out for you
now my entire map is bugged with 13 boulders flying everywhere
i can actually improve this by removing all the eyes and going full freeze at the front
It's done
( now we wait )
aint no way i got this out of all the dreams
game so impressed with your progress it is setting small achieveable goals for you to prove yourself
w5 td doesnt fall under "small achievable goals"
Equinox dreams are in order
fuck equinox
Any idea as to why it says this when all my characters are on goat and in lab except my active pusher
I've I'm being entirely honest I never knew that screen existed
is it right to have them all on goat tho, till i get tranqui
only the lab slaves
eh better to get the grind over with but might not be entirely best
scoli will spawn now
I didn't have them on goat except my lab boi but I also don't play necessarily the most efficiently
what would be better
the dreams unlock in a set order ๐
funni how i was doing troll td builds right b4 this
your troll td build was just you taking my advice and being silly about it
see my genius sakori
brand underestimated me
Which ended in you achieving exactly the level I thought you should be able to
depends on the char, for example snake for bb for ladles or nobi for finishing Zow/Chow, nobi for Gmush killer, and later 1 on cat and the rest on elephant
is there a class talent that spreads out div exp like how bubo spreads out lab exp?
es more div exp for everyone
nvm I remember what I did
oh spreads out nvm
Mantra?
no such talent only bubo has one i think but there are stances
I had my lab boi on mantra and goat, then when I needed to push for tranqui I just put everyone in altar on mantra
mantra sucks
True
10 div exp per hour for everyone
seems fine when your other options are 1 or 2 exp per hour
10 exp that cant be doubled
exactly, very bad
can chakra kinesis or focus be increased to more than 10 an hour?
mantra is the worst of all of them if u ask me
mantra is a noobtrap 
yep
FUCK...
If I'm giving bad advice I'd like to understand why so I no longer give that advice in the future
how is that even possible lmao
they deal dmg to the char
and I think I have 2 prayers that reduce def
this doesnt work on mantra the way you want to
So... chakra is better?
in my opinion much better yes
double exp of 2 is 4 though, which is less than ten
you still have multipliers to div exp
the "double" only applies to the character claiming the exp, not the shared exp
so you're doubling the 1, not the 10
ye... fml
But if the 10 is more than a doubled 2... why is the 2 better?
please read
he mean 10 character on mantra give 10 exp
yes double exp chance, which would mean 2 exp from chakra go to 4
lol
Okay that is a much larger multi than 2x
that's is not 2x lmao
the 75% chance is
Say you have 20x div and 10 characters on manta
Each character gets 20 exp from their own mantra, but only shares 1 to each other character. This means each character gets 20+9 exp = 29 exp
With chakra being 2, you get 40 exp
so its a 75% chance to double the multi
this is my exp at chakra
i just wanna reach liquidvestment and be done with this bs
Ty, I uh, was beginning to suspect I was missing something crucial when Jargon shared their multi
I'm no genius but 1634x 2 is... like at least 4 more than 10
even kinesis is 19x what 10 chars on mantra gets me
by my calculations i can just reach liquidvestment then i cant progress anymore
sorry for misunderstanding, I think I need to review div xp multis
yes ๐
daym how do you guys get so many divinity exp multi, my char only get 1.5x (all archer and warrior)
smh my es and bubo got 6x (their class specific ?)
and a random shit char (total beginner) get 3x (like mman)
ah so sad... 140 would have been possible
shhh don't say yes, we all know I do
Character sheet -> Skills info -> Divinity
anyways what i would suggest is to just stay away from mantra, it rarely ever is worth it
and if it ever becomes usefull its for such a little time it wont even be helpfull
so scimitars actually triples your dmg with no strings attached?
oh that is helpful, I was trying to figure out how to get an idleon wiki page for div multis
the string being you have to unlock it and level it up, but yes
unlocking it is the hard part
since i cant find more than 2 unlock next equinox upgrade bubble i can do
tbf the use case I used mantra in was raising characters to tranqui but uh, also I haven't reviewed div multis and it's very possible you can get enough div multis to make mantra even more trash before you push for tranqui
lvling it is no joke either
really? why
100k ladles
a mere 100k ladles
what
use 100k ladles in a single use
the more u use the equinox bar, the more it takes to fill up
you level it through equinox bar...?
uh what ๐
some equinox challenges increase max level of the skills too
equiniox bar takes longer and longer to fill for every upgrade you've put in
so you need to upgrade scims as well as do it
my div exp on my DK is a baby 106 but uh, 106x 2 is still at least a couple more than 10
yes!
it takes 6 hours to fill rn..
its gonna start taking more than a day to fill
enjoy
why 100k ladles tho
I legit didn't know to think about the div exp multi in skills and didn't know it even existed ๐
it takes me 2 days atm
the next would take 12 18 24 kekw
one of the equinox challenges is "use 100k ladles in one go"
it increases max level of matching scims
you can level it before then, just not to max level
only at max level it gives 3*?
what is the best sparkle and hex obol for trapping?
my favorite equinox challenge is bobjoepicklejar lvl 2
Mine too
cant wait for balljoepickle level 2
ill be happy with level 8 in scims
wonder how much damage that will give
80%
it starts off with a max level of 8 (x1.8) then through two challenges you can increase it to 13 (x2.3) and 23 (x3.3)
10% per level
next equinox, have a lvl 13 Pearl Seltzer vial
I started before w5 was out, got bobjoepicklejar, vial is like "NOTHING bonus, what were you expecting?"
so an 80% increase still pretty good
But then equinox came out and oh boy even if indirectly it's finally bobjoe bonus time
Well there is also the however many pickles you need for expedition
focusing on scims before the other bonuses is a trap ngl
The #๐future-content-blog also teased the pickle
I can't remember how many pickles for expedition but less than 100 I'm pretty sure
so even if u finished the equinox u should hoard pickles just in case
wont focus it cos i cant unlock it anyway i can only unlock till liquids
It was like 4 Pickles u needed for Islands
gold watch affects sailing or alchemy progress?
Honestly I just appreciate the fact that after several hours of my continue to show how dumb I am someone still believed in me enough to link me to something I could READ
I really recommend maxing the resource dream first adept
gives you more atom upgrades in alch
the 2nd one?
Yep
just unlocked it so will ig
what does it do?
i mean ik what it does
but why is it useful
Each resource gives you a vial
can't guarantee all info is accurate but it's at least a rough guide
And the first vial is equinox rate
are the vials broken?
the second vial is mainly where it's at, the build speed
oh yeah this is bob time
equinox rate, sigil rate, build speed, shrine rate
others are a nice addition, but that's about it
yeah i see the construction speed vial
Also 5 slab
Can never have enough slab
only thr construction speed bubble looks good tbh cos well idrk the value of equi bar rate rn
tbh I don't know how useful shrines are and I'm afraid to ask ._.
They're good
is that a 4* multi i see ๐
the sigil one is quite nice as well
nah the sigil and the equinox rate is huge
shrines are king
Pretty good tbh. Everything that lowers time gated stuff is good
the equinox one is whatever
I literally have no idea how shrines work I just have a bunch in w5 town and maybe that does something idk
Like 10-30% of your total stats depending on where you are in the game
man screw upgrading them for their bonuses i need that bubo dmg 
you're bound to get gated by dreams rather than the bar itself
crystal shrine is a must
thats what im saying ๐ฎ
if you don't get bound by dreams, it only takes about 3-4 months to unlock everything anyway, the bar definitely isn't a problem
there's all these random bonuses that are like "yeah, throw your shrines down in w2 colo, you get the bonus on every map in every world regardless"
thats only cos of moai head pretty sure
isn't the w5 artifact does that ?
if you dont have that shrines are still pretty solid
all you need to worry about these days is levelling them up, which is afk claims in the same world
w5 arti + lab bonus lets your shrines do whatever
okay I am doing shrines okay
is the lab bonus the like "throw 'em in town square, yolo, whole world covered for shrine exp and stat boosts"
yes
I am starting to dread the time it will take to lvl the rest of my chars if SB is taking this long ...
maoi head makes the bonuses global, but still gotta be in the same world to level the shrines
huh
okay ty all I have been doing shrines correctly albeit very nervously
to what level?
500
sb doesnt level that fast though
exactly my point
whats your GT?
i feel 200 max level books are still far
garbage ( 5.7k )
why are you pushing for 500 with a low gt? 
Please support your local library
the rift ui looks cool
I cant be bothered clicking it so often
"low gt"?
ive seen people with 100k gt
