lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[bold quiver]

and since i had no idea what killroy even was i just followed

bad move

[pastel bramble]

time to do my skull arena and check

but i definitely have 90+ i think 😄

[signal osprey]

My plan is to do 10-20 in respawn and pearls and then just go back to time/skull in a 3/1 ratio each week

[pastel bramble]

my time is level 3 now

[bold quiver]

my plan is time until the end of time

1 point into pearl

[pastel bramble]

i get like 120-200 skulls a week

how many do u get

[bold quiver]

same

200ish

[pastel bramble]

i guess my extra skull route didnt hurt so bad then

[bold quiver]

cuz each run is basicaly 50 guaranteed

[pastel bramble]

ah

thats 120-200 i dont use the 300 gems

so i would get 240-400 if i used 300 gems

[bold quiver]

yeah thats why i get arond 250

unless its some horrible week like double archer

but i hadnt been doing killroy for a few months

couldnt be bothered to do it since rewards are prtty much useless

[pastel bramble]

the arcade balls though

[dawn sand]

Who knew getting everyone to 500 was such a big deal

[pastel bramble]

i still have 0 arcade stamps 😄

[bold quiver]

i dont do arcade

[austere path]

it works!,with a few changes to make the speed faster

Thanks

[bold quiver]

sometimes i forget to collect my balls for 1 week

[hollow osprey]

same here

[bold quiver]

haha nothing to gain from there anymore so its whatever

[hollow osprey]

my biggest mistake was to forget 1 or 2 months about doing alchemy back then when i reached w2 lmao

[pastel bramble]

so.. i just realized

wheres w5 colo

im holding my tickets for nothing aint i

[bold quiver]

i dont think we are getting a w5 coloseum

[hollow osprey]

w4 colo for the win

[bold quiver]

what were u expecting to get at w5 coloseum tho

[dawn sand]

We might!

[pastel bramble]

gaming bottles

😄

[bold quiver]

there isnt anything there like eggs or something of the same type

lol

[rough wasp]

[bold quiver]

kkkkkkkkk thats some wild imagination

[hollow osprey]

gaming fertilizer and bottled wind

[south gull]

w5 mini boss

[pastel bramble]

it would be a nice way to boost bit gain to reach that 90q 😄

[hollow osprey]

is there a w5 mini boss?

[south gull]

Nope

[hollow osprey]

oh well gtk

btw when should i start to boost my cauldrons? boosted everyone a bit but idk if it's worth to boost them further

[pearl pebble]

im not sure if this is allowed (advertising my post in another channel), but i left a player feedback and i was wondering what people think of it. #1172227253854285834 message

[hollow osprey]

especially because i'm missing bubbles

[bold quiver]

didnt like sorry

most of those inconsistencies that u pointed out are part of the gaming experience

and most are also logical points

good luck tho

[pearl pebble]

thank you. yeah i would love to discuss it in that thread, dont rly want to flood this one

[signal osprey]

If you cant hold more resources than your bag allows during normal farming or afk time then why would you be able to with candy

[stoic crow]

Your inventory is full? Skill issue

[pearl pebble]

well i have the ram, so even if i can drop more than i carry i can store it all

[bold quiver]

yeah its most logical stuff. there isnt a need to explain every little possible detail and scenario. Its part of the gaming experience, as in trial and error in a mmorpg

Maybe u havent played many rpg like games, but its pretty common in these types of games having to attempt stuff blindly

[pearl pebble]

yeah i can totally get the logic of it. i dont disagree with how it should work, moreso the clarity of it

yeah i do not play rpg at all

[bold quiver]

lets say its part of rpg genre charm haha

[fallen torrent]

Shouldve killed first and second world boss before printing sample am i right. (in speedrun)

[pearl pebble]

great..

[fallen torrent]

may have forgotten to. xD

[bold quiver]

haha yeah like, some games u are refining your armor and then it just breaks and u lose the items kkkkkkkkk

[fallen torrent]

46 portals unlock is my max right now.

[bold quiver]

then u are like "oh........ so this shit happens? " and learn

[fallen torrent]

Maplestory be like?

[dapper prism]

Farming and potion making confirmed?

[bold quiver]

@pearl pebble u will get used to it eventualy, dont let it bother u too much. But some things could be better explained tho,u are not wrong

[fallen torrent]

mimic/gigafrog/gublin vial soon to be done, then mammoth/penguin too

[bold quiver]

nothing is confirmed until release!!! as far as we know those images could be from w8

[pearl pebble]

usually it doesnt. today it pissed me off lmao cuz using candies on logs is already a shit use so it became even shittier

[fervent brook]

How do white pearls work. Are they based on Class XP multiplyer?

[bold quiver]

kkkkkkkk oh yeah, everyone has done that 100% candy on logs or ore early on and losing 80% of it

[pearl pebble]

cuz i use a 72h candy for 4.5M logs or whatever and it only drops 400k or so whatever my bag size is lol

[bold quiver]

10% of your class lvl

[pearl pebble]

and it happened with 4 24h. cant even notice until its all gone

[dapper prism]

10% xp of your bar. (at a certain level) at a lower level they either are (or were) 20%

[rich epoch]

those are all from idleon 2

[bold quiver]

oh damn D: forgot to check your cap

[rich epoch]

w6 is just another game

[bold quiver]

based on what contract said its 10% for all levels now

[pearl pebble]

yeah i used the amount of candies for 10M, and my storage i gained like less than 2M so i was like the fuck?

@dapper prism i unlocked an equinox by greenstacking 20 things, should i spend these now or nah. feel like its dependant on alch and stamp progress so idk https://p0st_macone.idleonefficiency.com/

[signal osprey]

Is there a point where its 20%? I hadnt heard of that

[fervent brook]

Thanks. Did not want to waste any if it was based on Class EXP multiplier.

[fallen torrent]

forgot to equip the woodchip chip for voidman speedrun sample too. but its okay. i have decents one 😄

dang i couldve went for poop and rat map for 2 additional portals too! i forgot dangit! and orange mushroom too!

[pure ember]

Not worth it at that point

[fallen torrent]

cant wait for next speedrun hehe

[pure ember]

Probably sub 200

[bold quiver]

ops

imagine if u forget it again

[fallen torrent]

nah i wont, its noted and its in my brain, tho im wondering what should i level in my vman ability

[bold quiver]

all of it!

[fallen torrent]

Stats? boost up critter/soul? exp gain?

[pearl pebble]

actually if anyone knows the answer to this i would appreciate it. i want to upgrade alch bubbles but like.. feel like im hitting diminishing returns

[bold quiver]

im very pissed that i cant level all talents from vman tab

[pure ember]

Depends

[fallen torrent]

yeah a bit limited on the point available

[pure ember]

How many do you currently have?

[bold quiver]

u should lvl up all stats, add points one veryone 1st tab, then reset

extra 245 base stats for everyone, pretty good

[fallen torrent]

oh i didnt know it was possible isnt that something like Rule 4 though?

[bold quiver]

hmmmmmm there is no exploit so i dont think so

[pearl pebble]

someone mentioned that you can use all boulder rollers on w5 worship to hit wave 50. is this true?

[bold quiver]

its just normal stuff

[fallen torrent]

okay just making sure 🙂

[pearl pebble]

i tried and lost on wave 20

[fallen torrent]

boulder roll is strong for early wave. but selling em make you lose points

[dapper prism]

I am very sure it used to be 20%, like 99% confident when i was early game. So either it was nerf'd at some point or it was at a sub x-level type thing

[fallen torrent]

they need a certain lvl as well, and voidinator to remove special

[bold quiver]

its like using 1 boost food for whole gaming session. Its technicaly an exploit but its not an exploit at the same time

just mechanics based on the coding

[fallen torrent]

its okay i get it i'll check it if i am not lazy too mnuch

[bold quiver]

everyone does that tho, like placing points into star talent 1st tab , using points and reseting

[regal kindle]

U cant push with candies ? got the "no candy too hot" message and its a first

[bold quiver]

or adding 100 points into smith points on archer class and reseting

[dapper prism]

It's the same as leveling Tab 1 Star talent, lvling star talents, then respeccing if u need tab 1

[fervent brook]

Its not like the Sailing trade bug that happened.

[bold quiver]

its more of a hidden game mechanic than an actual exploit

[dapper prism]

I feel it's too common and obvious of a "feature" to be considered an exploit in any way.

[fallen torrent]

okay i wont feel bad for it haha

[bold quiver]

by definition it is, but it isnt at the same time kkkkkkkk

[pearl pebble]

its just a bug. completely different than an exploit

well. i guess it is technically an exploit. lol

[bold quiver]

yeah its not a bug haha

[pure ember]

Can't candy the most recent world

[dapper prism]

thats not a bug at all..

[pearl pebble]

yeah idk what im saying

i cant read XD

[bold quiver]

but anyway, its a coding exploit that everyone uses and doesnt do any harm nor give any absurd advantage over anything

[regal kindle]

Damn had no idea thx for the intel

[pure ember]

You will be able to candy w5 when w6 comes out

[bold quiver]

W5 will get too sweet !

[wispy sapphire]

Any hint or anything on when w6 releases?

[regal kindle]

I heard 3months

[dapper prism]

You heard rumors

[regal kindle]

Ye just heard that on griffy stream but I was half paying attention, take it with a grain of salt

[pastel bramble]

id say end of november based on w5 release date 😄

for the pre-christmas spending season

[dapper prism]

End of Nov would be great, along thanksgiving/cybermonday but i do feel like it's too soon based on the images/leaks in #💖future-content-blog . Unless he isn't showing currently made stuff but if he's showing stuff from a backtracked folder and he's actual further in dev than what he shows

In a Financial/marketing perspective, Pre-xmas is always great. People get a taste of the world, then xmas money comes in for the kiddos and they can buy the gem unlocks type of thing 🤷

[jagged relic]

Yes

Well no sorry, 91% but its maxed out?

[dapper prism]

27x Vial 13's for 100%

[jagged relic]

Ahh damn, okay I'll get on that then

[fallen torrent]

i never know when its a good time to use golden timewatch

[dapper prism]

Never, save them

Hope we get something for w6

[bold quiver]

save for W6 release. Realize that u cant use at W6, wait for W7, realize same thing and repeat. By the end of the game u will have a year of golden watches saved

[paper sail]

There is no way they won't be useful on Day 1 of W6. We are 100% getting new bubbles, which means atom clicks + NBLB at bare minimum. I can almost bet on new stamps, which adds in Gilded Stamps + atom discounts to the list. Very likely a new W6 town shop too.

[pastel bramble]

dang i need minimum of 800 rolls per nugget upgrade now

[glossy owl]

whats the easiest way to boost liquid regen?^^

[pastel bramble]

shaman

[dapper prism]

Active Bubo, Remove Lab node, actively upgrade it 😄

[glossy owl]

bubo as in cranium cooking i guess?

[pastel bramble]

ya

[rich charm]

to get ancient and eldritch artifacts is it just a rare chance when you go to the island with that artifact?

[glossy owl]

my /hr rate is still extremely low, i saw some dude sitting at 100/hr so i figured i must be doing sth extremely wrong

[pastel bramble]

100/hr is far far far in future

im not even close to that and i been playing just over a year

[glossy owl]

been neglecting liquids like crazy... stupid me

[pastel bramble]

dw we all do 😄

its much easier now with equinox update

u can just leave bubo afking overnight and wake up to tons of progress

[glossy owl]

is it even worth leaving him afk due to the high cooldown on cranium cooking?

[rich epoch]

so the best use for trophies is golden stopwatches, right? should I try saving then for the droprate talent tho? I've spent everything I had and I only got it yo 88

[pastel bramble]

the tentaeye talent reduces cooldown per kill

u can get upto 3 seconds per kill reduction

currently i do 3 craniums an hour

[rich epoch]

I think he meant to leave bubo active not afk. cc does not work afk

[glossy owl]

oh right, didnt think that would apply to that somehow

thanks dude

[pastel bramble]

yeag i meant active while u are afk irl sorry 😄

[rich epoch]

yeah. I confuse those all the time. lmao

[glossy owl]

yea, i know ^^

might try.. i think w6 requires liquids

[snow light]

wait does shaman talent 4 lower cranium cooking cooldown?

[pastel bramble]

yup

[dapper prism]

Thats pretty much the whole point of it 😄

Some info here: #lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[snow light]

got it thanks i was wondering how people got multiple cranium cookings in a day outside of having multiple bubos

[dapper prism]

Multiple bubos is essentially completely useless

Late game your whole cycle will be around 12-15 minutes. Meaning You start CC, you end CC, you wait for Cooldown to be over, Start next CC = 12-15min

With each CC skipping an easy 100+ hours (late goal) those every 15mins or less.

[snow light]

yeah i need to do a 20 checkout for that talent and CC then

[dapper prism]

The most important thing is 200+ Tente

As that's when it changes from 2s to 3s reduction

[snow light]

yeah i believe i currently can get to 200 i believe got Rift slug and 160 on bubo talent 15 should be enough right?

[dapper prism]

Forgot how much slug gives, if it was 20 or 25

But with bear, and ES Passive, and slug, should be doable, may lose the 200 without bear, but bubo does use bear most of the time anyways

[pastel bramble]

25 from slug

[sharp egret]

Did anyone do the math at what points it is worthwhile to upgrade the snail chance instead of trying to upgrade snail?

[dapper prism]

Since the failsafe, pretty much yolo to 20+

[pastel bramble]

i think all way to 25 lol

u get so little % after 20 per encourage it takes like 100 to get 25%

[halcyon spoke]

guys whats the best char for doing dungeons?

[dapper prism]

but also at 22-23 you may want to camp it for a long time

[dapper prism]

DK due to shockwave and low mana cost

[pastel bramble]

id say bubo tbh though the potion throw plus horn of foal is very very strong for world 1, for w2 and w3 i prefer wizard lightning attack/meteor strike

[sharp egret]

thanks, I suspected but wasn't sure

[dapper prism]

Doing this quest on SB sure is way harder than classes like mages and warris
https://i.imgur.com/xbz8NtW.png

Had to remove the poison

[stiff swan]

You know how when you’re picking up afk drops that are too much for you to carry and sometimes it will pick up the whole lot and you lose the excess, but other times it will stay and only pick up how much you can carry. What determines that

Or am I imagining things and it only picks up the whole lot and you lose the excess

[dapper prism]

I know what you mean and i'm unsure, i also feel like that wasn't a thing few months back but idk 🤷

[pastel bramble]

i know that candy gives only until ur cap and i think natural afk gives over-carry cap

[stiff swan]

It’s a good question right? Lol

[stiff swan]

Natural afk vs other forms of obtaining drops. Might be the thread

[dapper prism]

Another thing that may be a factor is combat vs skilling 🤷

[stiff swan]

Oh true

gonna keep an eye on it

[pastel bramble]

both skilling and killing are candy capped at carry capacity from my own experience

[stiff swan]

Is the only difference being direct connected to lab vs connected through div, lab exp gain vs no exp gain

[pastel bramble]

my first time using kitsune properly and i have plants growing/evolving every 5 seconds i should have done active mode long ago haha

[left tundra]

Yep (unless you have the goat god linked = also div exp/pts)

[vagrant mountain]

I think it has to do with stack sizes and your mat cap. if you get 1b logs and it gets split into 5 stacks, each stack is 200m. if your log cap is 300m, it will only pick up 2 stacks, but you will lose 100m because each stack is 200m.

[sage pewter]

Something tells me giant %chance is back on the menu

[dull nymph]

Is enhancement eclipse worth dumping points into? Seems expenisve but I figure it wouldn't be if it weren't strong

[stiff swan]

Got that but i feel like in some cases (using your specific example but maybe it happens with other mats or something, my question is what makes this difference) that second stack that you lost 100m on, would stay on the ground (and you can deposit to chest through companion perk) and you can keep picking up the excess until you got all the mats in stack

[dreamy raptor]

Is there a chance, that I already droped recepie and lose it and now it wont drop or how it works? I am talking about Sluggmas recepie 1 in 50M change... I have killed 100M already.

[sharp egret]

multikill matters only for the first drop on the table so don't go by kills

on average it should take about as long to get the recipe as getting 1000 royal suggma urns

[dreamy raptor]

Thanks, so it still a little bit early. Drop chance matters right? ES portal shoud affect this too.

[sick sentinel]

Yep

[opal raptor]

How's this looking for early w5

[tawny gale]

What void tower in td do excep making mobs black and white

[obtuse rover]

That's what it does, primarily.
Remove the special powers that different mobs can have.

[tawny gale]

My max damage with 24% from slabs get me up to 1.25mil damage at max

[tawny gale]

Oo now i get it

[obtuse rover]

It also has an upgrade path that gives a damage bonus to all towers, but that's just an aside from the main purpose of getting rid of the special abilities of mobs

[tawny gale]

The power that will help a lot

Imagine being in w5 and can not get anvil tab 4 because of frost soul or whatever.... stuck at it lamo and wave 20 boss with its healing ability is craking me up this upgrading tower toget higher wave

Can not even unlock poison tower leave void one

[fathom lagoon]

Lookin alright. I’d say skip lustre armor looks like you’re trying to go that route

[ashen marsh]

for breeding, the guide is telling me to use this setup. But currently this set up is getting me more

[sick sentinel]

the ability makes it so you ge tmore

[ashen marsh]

does the guide set up scale if I fill the other rows with what it's telling me?

[obtuse rover]

It's not all about the foraging speed

[weary sonnet]

Boys! Where can I find Lava in the game, to achieve??? 🤔

[ashen marsh]

Do I need to fill up the other rows the same in order to get the most optimal?

[weary sonnet]

[obtuse rover]

Best bet is to wait for him to release a new patch and see if he does a live stream. Then go to wherever he is in-game during the live stream.

[ashen marsh]

cause I dont have enough alchemics rn

[obtuse rover]

No, you probably don't want 3 alchemics in every single zone, just the earliest ones.

[weary sonnet]

The advice has been heard, thank you !

[ashen marsh]

so the alchemics allow me to get more?

i dont have converter rn only bunny

[obtuse rover]

Whenever the foraging bar fills up, it adds 1 spice to your pile waiting to be collected and makes the foraging bar even longer for the next attempt.

So after the bar fills up a good number of times, it will become super slow to produce any more spice until you collect the stack.

This isn't noticeable at the late-game spice zones because their bars are so long to begin with that less spice stacks up over time anyways so the bar stays closer to the original length.

In the early-game zones, spice can be made suuuuuper quickly when the stack is empty, but that also means it will reach the point of slowing to a crawl pretty quickly, too.

Alchemic makes it so that every time the bar fills up, you have a 50% chance to actually get 2 spice instead of 1. The bar will still only go up the usual amount for the next iteration, but you'll have twice the spice.

What this means is that, even with a lower foraging speed, you might end up with far more spice building up in the earlier zones using Alchemics because you collect >1 spice per full foraging bar and don't experience as much of the exponential slow-down from trying to brute-force through higher and higher foraging bar stacks.

In general, 3 alchemics are good in the early zones where you don't need much speed in order to fill the early levels of the foraging bar.

[ashen marsh]

awesome! thank you for the detailed response. it makes a lot more sense now

[thin lark]

Hey, I'm relatively new to W5. I've got everyone sitting in Divinity right now, going for Goat God. I'm kind of unsure where/what to focus on after that point. Any general advice?

[pastel bramble]

pushing world 5 to boss so that you can start w6 😄

and unlock the new cool gears/weapons

[obtuse rover]

That is probably not the play for someone who just hit W5

[thin lark]

Relatively, I've been in W5 for a week or two now. I like to slow push through content, so I spent a few months in the last two worlds

[pastel bramble]

ull get 100s of levels from pushing w5 after ur goat god its worth it 😄

[fast grail]

Probably alchemy

[obtuse rover]

I assume your damage might be too low to get very far into W5 right now, which is okay.

You may want to choose a character to play actively to do something helpful in the earlier worlds.

ES will help you get mob mats, working towards unlocking vman or improving your mman will be helpful. DK and Bubo are both great at killing crystals and getting you statues, silver pens (to work on your PO boxes), money, and whatnot.

ES will help you get more cards for mobs that you might still need.

[pastel bramble]

gaming/sailing is passive

[obtuse rover]

Trickz has a little graphic they share a lot of the time for similar questions:
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[thin lark]

Nice, thanks. Neat little checklist. What's it mean by "2nd DK/SB/ES for perma Game/Sail/Div"? Like set up their talents for skilling so I don't have to swap talents/cards all the time?

[obtuse rover]

Yeah, for times when you have at least 1 of those classes killing things you can still have a second one that has the account-wide skills active while they're just sitting in lab or skilling or something.

It becomes less important later on when you have enough talent points to just have those skills active on any skillset.

[thin lark]

Cool. Also, I've been using Bubo active lately for the CC. I think I'm a little underlevel'd to get CC reaaaally cooking for me, around what levels in Tent/CC should I be looking for?

[obtuse rover]

200 tent makes a massive difference

[thin lark]

What levels should I be looking for in my bubbles?

[obtuse rover]

Aside from that, obviously "more is better"

Leveling your aura is also important and properly setting up your skill bars and using boxing gloves instead of a staff are also important

[thin lark]

Right, I've been using Boxing gloves. Are they better just because of attack speed?

[obtuse rover]

They're better because they make you get really close to the enemy to drop your aura so it hits as many things as possible.

[fast grail]

A general rule of thumb for a "solid" start to alchemy, is 100 bubble minimums

[thin lark]

Alright I've got the first 15 bubbles on each cauldron around 50-70. Gonna have to start farming resources actively again, those costs are getting up there.

[obtuse rover]

Just a reminder: For orange, green and purple cauldrons, it's cheaper to level up bubbles with materials while playing a character of the matching class (wizards for purple, warriors for orange, archers for green).

[thin lark]

WUT

[fast grail]

Just a heads up, its almost always better to just print the resources instead of trying to farm them on character. Can get more just by like being in the lab for the 2x prints

[sage pewter]

is 200 the breaking point for 3 sec cd?

damn

I need to actually get to a point to increase max level cause I'm stuck at 149 for now

[obtuse rover]

The 2nd bubble in the cauldron makes all other small bubbles more effective for members of that class.
So a warrior gets a bonus to the small bubble that makes every bubble in that cauldron cheaper.
Everyone gets their own special discount.

Except yellow cauldron, which is just on its own.

[thin lark]

I always have a hard time remembering where the sources for max book level out of the library comes from

[thin lark]

Holy, can't believe I missed the Class stipulation on that. Thanks man!

[pastel bramble]

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=book

[sage pewter]

lmao be glad they told you now. I've wasted so much on just upgrading them without a care in the world

[thin lark]

Would have been super nice to know waaaay back in W2 when I pushed the FMJ bubble to 36 for the Dungeon rng item. Haha, took a couple weeks!

[thin lark]

Bookmarked, right next to IE. Thanks!

[dapper prism]

Main things to look at is bubble, 2, bubble 15 and 17.

They have great chemistry

Bubble 2 affects 15/17 (and obv others)
Bubble 17 affects 15
Bubble 15 is cost reduction

[thin lark]

How am I looking? Any easy ones to go after?

[dapper prism]

Dont let NBLB hit any of the easy materials (skilling/combat mats)

Definetely need to push Larry (yellow +2 icon) more and skilling bubbles

[thin lark]

Ah, Larry is pretttty good haha. Will do boss 🫡

[dapper prism]

Goal is to 501+ for 100% double bubbles upgrades. Even better to go for 110% (10% at +3)

[obtuse rover]

It does feel pretty nice when you level a bubble up and see +3 fly by

[thin lark]

Nice, I was curious how +100% would work for that. Kinda like a mega crit

Is it possible to have vman get crazy prints for skilling? I'm just using him for mob mats at the moment, but if I could get him printing dem ore that'd be nice

[dapper prism]

Vman will always print mob mats

[obtuse rover]

Vman will always print less than the specialized skillers, but he is uniquely amazing at printing mob materials due to his speedrunning abilities, so he's pretty dedicated to doing that.

[thin lark]

Sadge. Probably time I've re-sampled anyway.

[sage pewter]

glad I was here to read all this because I feel like an idiot now

[thin lark]

Learning new things disqualifies you from idiocy 🙂

[sage pewter]

man's just arrived at w5 and is ahead of me in general lol

[obtuse rover]

There's a lot of silly little things to know about Idleon

[dapper prism]

cant make this achievement trigger..
https://i.imgur.com/LfY1D3P.png

Tried putting it back in storage, map change etc.

[sage pewter]

may sound stupid but did you relog / re-equip?

[dapper prism]

yeh, not cloudsaved though

still nothing

[thin lark]

Hmm, I thought I remember'd the achievement saying something about talking to specific NPC while you had both?

[sharp ruin]

Checking disc every hour in hopes that w6 is out already 🥲

[sage pewter]

unless the salt lick has a crazy increase in +max level books, is it just not possible to reach lvl 200 talents without the sailing artifact?

[untold lintel]

prolly won’t be out till 2024

[runic girder]

Dont think its coming for probably another month

[dapper prism]

Nowdays you can with slug, without it not.

[runic girder]

Christmas gift

[dapper prism]

If then xmas

[sharp ruin]

Christmas in November please 🙃

[thin lark]

Seems that way I'm at 187 max right meow

[runic girder]

Though im actually not sure how smart releasing a huge update around christmas and new years is

[sharp ruin]

Why would we get an in game msg about w6 only for it to be two months away tho

[obtuse rover]

You technically can barely reach it without any of the sailing artifact forms OR slug companion, but only if you have literally everything else going for you.

Some people have talent levels >300, and slug + sailing artifact = 100, so it's technically possible

[runic girder]

Probably gonna impact your player numbers

[obtuse rover]

But generally speaking you're going to need at least 1 tier of sailing artifact or slug pet.

[dapper prism]

Also, typically you'd have the fury artifact as base before being able to max all those other things

[thin lark]

So I have Rift Slug, what am I missing? 😮 If it's atom collider I'm SOL haha

[dapper prism]

It said the next BIG Update

[dapper prism]

Actual Book Checkout Levels
125 base upon unlocking the Talent Library in W3 Construction
+10 from W3 Merit
+20 from Salt Lick upgrades
+5 from W3 achievement to checkout 1k books
Max book of 160 pre-w5

+25/50/75 from Fury Relic artifact in sailing (3rd Version needs Eldritch, unlocked from Rift)
+10 from Atom Collider Oxygen - Library Booker
Max book level is 245
By Scoli

Extra Stuff:
+25 Slug Companion
+10-15 Bear Divinity God (15 at around Div 120s+ with Big P lvl 550)
+10ish ES Passive (Roughly lvl 420 = +10, lvl 497 ES = +11)
Keep in Mind ES itself will have a few levels more due to Family Man Talent.
+13 Symbols (Tab 4, Talent 15)
+9 Equinox (Requires 200 Greenstacks - Hard)
Total Max about ~320s

[obtuse rover]

There is a +10 in collider, yeah.

But you also need a high level ES, you can apply bear sign with high divinity level to a character for a big boost of levels, max your symbols level (the last talent in the elite class page)

[thin lark]

Yoooo, Bear God minor link might be the ticket. When does that 15 level bonus max out?

[dapper prism]

Like Level 120+s with around 90% big P (lvl 550)

[obtuse rover]

There's a bubble you haven't unlocked yet that will help.

Right now getting 15 from bear god is not reasonable for you to accomplish

[tacit tulip]

equinox gives up to about +9 to talent level at max

[dapper prism]

Well rip that one xD

[thin lark]

The Big P?

[dapper prism]

For the 2-3 people that have it

[tacit tulip]

that's the lv 500 one right?

[snow light]

is a big yellow bubble near like the 22nd or 27th bubble

[obtuse rover]

Without Big P, your character will get 10 levels from bear god link at level 120 divinity

[thin lark]

Symbols of beyond is account wide or only that char?

[dapper prism]

That alt

[obtuse rover]

That character only

[thin lark]

Got it.

[dapper prism]

So you'll get that to 240 later
https://i.imgur.com/bHwDWUp.png

Not affected by the non-book buffs

[dapper prism]

Still cant get this to trigger... I managed the Blunder W1 to trigger right away.. But nothing i do for the W2 one works :/
https://i.imgur.com/UGZkLOE.png

[thin lark]

Hmm, alright. Looks like I'll have to wait for that Sailing Relic before I can hit that 200 Tent, time to figure out sailing

[dapper prism]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[thin lark]

So put Golden Hampters on everyone?

[dapper prism]

Did it on a different alt btw, worked:
https://i.imgur.com/2cZhlrA.png

[dapper prism]

yes, Since the more you own, you get diminishing returns on the %, so best is to spread them somewhat evenly. Technically better to have a little more (i did like 10-20% more) on warris IF you have the gold food talent leveled

[thin lark]

Dope, I've got a couple hundred lying around. Boy does the Sailing UI stink though

[fathom lagoon]

w4 statues done by tn now just w5, fishing, exp and kachow

[potent maple]

how are your vials lookin?

[chrome kite]

what are these rings?

[thin lark]

Dungeon Flurbo Shop rings

[prisma furnace]

from dungeon

[chrome kite]

ty, I'll need to save a bit of flurbo then.

[thin lark]

So, should I use the Kitsune Roxie in Gaming?

[old crane]

Es passive can get to +14 around lvl 500ish, and there's a +1 from w5 achievements

[dapper prism]

thats not account wide

That's only personal to ES with a very high Family Man Talent

Without it, it's like +11 at 497ish?

[old crane]

Oh not based on highest es

for family talent boost

[obtuse rover]

The family bonus is based on highest ES
But the family man talent is coded in a dumb way so that the talent only boosts your own family bonus for yourself.

[chrome kite]

How to obtain Ancient artifacts from sailing? Wiki says nothing about it. Is it just rare random?

[dapper prism]

added the info to the list though.

[obtuse rover]

Same way as normal artifacts, just less likely.

[elfin cape]

What level is +12?

[snow light]

i think the general concensus about kitsune is depending on if you are active playing or afk if active then yes but if afk then no

[obtuse rover]

594, I believe

[dapper prism]

594 or 595

[thin lark]

Makes sense, the bonus for leveling it seems pretty bad though. +1% active bonus? So from x4 -> x4.01?

[elfin cape]

If W6 wasn't just around the corner, I'd swap my bubo to ES for that bonus

[dapper prism]

594 shows +12.00 but due to rounding it may be a lie

[thin lark]

Or...x4.04?

[obtuse rover]

Yeah, with W6 many things that we struggle for currently will probably become trivial.
Like 200 gstacks.

[snow light]

could not tell you about that i was just echoing what i remember reading trick writing out a while back

[old crane]

It helps with getting higher evolutions too

[elfin cape]

Kitsune also makes so you can infinitely click chemical plants

[paper sail]

Did anyone here max out a vial before unlocking all of the vials? Excluding the Arcade Balljoepickle, because RNG

[sacred verge]

yeah

[dapper prism]

pretty sure i had some at 13 before unlocking all

Unlocking 2 more stamps 🥳
https://i.imgur.com/4jWCDo7.png

[bright current]

[elfin cape]

I mean, I had a bunch before the 4 equinox vials were released

[obtuse rover]

Late game the meta is focused entirely around making time pass as quickly as possible.

You'll have a growth timer of <2 minutes and will be cycling through an almost endless stream of chemical plants granting you 24 hours of gaming time per click. The fast growth time will help you keep that cycle going near-infinitely and also help you level your shell, squirrel and logbook (from seeing new high-tier plants for the first time.

The main benefit will be that it lets you dig with the shovel more often, which will let you dig up progressively larger nuggets.

It'll be a while before you're there, but eventually Kitsune will be very valuable to you.

[dapper prism]

Did you know, King Doot can spawn on crystal Island? /jk
https://i.imgur.com/HbFTj7K.png

[elfin cape]

But I think I had a few maxed before ever unlocking blobfish/balljoe vial

[dapper prism]

Pretty much always tbh

First you want it on nearly all times because you need Chemical unlocked.
Then with new Equinox, you want it on for more chemicals => Better nuggets

[dapper prism]

Do my Chemicals 20/20? (Pic from the other day, but i can barely get down sub 15ish chems)
https://i.imgur.com/VJL0CaJ.png

[bright current]

i like him on cuz he has a lil happy face

[stuck pasture]

Well shit… here’s why I lurk on discord, had him off like a chump 😂

[obtuse rover]

Just like your vision 👀

[dapper prism]

Did i miss a non chemical? am i that blind rn? xD

[obtuse rover]

||I'm saying you've got 20/20 vision ||

[elfin cape]

There's a dream for 20 chems?

[dapper prism]

oh

[obtuse rover]

Now harvest all

[old crane]

Lol between your log and kitsune is a little crowded

[dapper prism]

Not until i get that new nugget you promised me 😦

[obtuse rover]

When Alvin deems you worthy, you shall receive.

[dapper prism]

Hell I bet it wont even hit a 2m xD

[rain echo]

when i got that achievement i was doing gaming for like 1 hr straight to clear them

[fathom lagoon]

Snakeskin lvl 12. Got 8 maxed, still working on that. Tryna greenstack 75 items rn for equinox

[dapper prism]

Wait until you get your cycle time lower and it'll be both heaven and hell.

[old crane]

better to check gaming with dk/warrior?

[chrome thicket]

i'm scared

[dapper prism]

@obtuse rover just curious, do you have poop tools equipped for more stats or nawh?

[elfin cape]

Why not Dreadlo?

[dapper prism]

Cause poop more stats

[zealous niche]

And terrible speed

[dapper prism]

you wouldnt use it for skilling, duh xD

[obtuse rover]

I don't, personally.

You can craft dreadlo to have the same number of slots + its built in stats + archer smithing bonus if you're willing to, if I've got my numbers right.

[dapper prism]

More stats = more money, or more dmg on wormhole = more DR. etc.

[elfin cape]

Depending on what stat, overall, still more

And if you get +1 slot, dreadlo is just better

[dapper prism]

Would just have to min/max the dreadlo on an archer then

[elfin cape]

Potential +12 from archer craft

[hexed elm]

so my dk is hovering around 4.6x drop rate with full cards and some obols right now, how do people usually get it higher? i feel kinda stuck

is it through alchemy and stamps?

[obtuse rover]

It doesn't even need min/max with the archer. It becomes superior just by getting the bonus slot from the PO box, right?

It'd be same slots, but with a built-in ~40ish stats

[dapper prism]

More Obols, better cards, card doublers. SB Plunderous kills is a multi same as the bundle we had a while ago. Divine gear, and stuff like that

[elfin cape]

Candying for bubble 1 clicks is probably better than candying for pearlers for a recraft tbh

[dapper prism]

There's a whole list in #1084911530417606656

[hexed elm]

thanks

i also completely forgot to equip my lucky lad on him xD

[dapper prism]

even better will be w5 trophy from boss quest (and even better later on, luckier lad)

[spice widget]

whats the best thing that scales vman damage is it name ig apart from skill level and talents?

[hexed elm]

im not super close to w5 boss right now

my main is in the rift right now

[elfin cape]

Luck

[dapper prism]

Great priorities, finally someone who isnt hard pushing w5 for little reason 👍

[hexed elm]

i have like 1m kills left of the fire spirit portal still

yeah it feels like pushing w5 is too much work for where im at right now

[dapper prism]

Especially with sub 5x dr, there's a lot of growth to be gotten

[hexed elm]

certainly

ive been playing lazy basically during my whole account

[fathom lagoon]

Goated album from mescudi

[hexed elm]

my fav is sb2h

[chrome kite]

is there a priority list what to greenstack ?

[fathom lagoon]

Mine’s prob MOTM

[hexed elm]

first? or in general

[old crane]

Whatever you can, printable stuff will be easiest probably

[dapper prism]

Not really, but it's pretty much W1/2 mobs type of things, Along with the easy to pring stuff especially wood/mining mats

[hexed elm]

first you wanna greenstack the lowest tier resources

[obtuse rover]

Usually earlier worlds and earlier resources are easiest.

[chrome kite]

ty

[dapper prism]

Shop items can also be very easy at some point

[hexed elm]

yeah shop food is super easy

[spice stirrup]

It's just a lot of clicks

[dapper prism]

?

Oh no...

[hexed elm]

with quick buy its pretty quick

[dapper prism]

You don't know about it huh? xD

[hexed elm]

i would bet at least 50% of players dont know about quick buying tbh

[summer glacier]

80%+

[hexed elm]

maybe more yeah

[dapper prism]

took me a while to see/figure too

[spice stirrup]

I know how to quick buy but can you buy straight to chest

[hexed elm]

i had to make a post in player suggestions to find it out xD

[hexed elm]

not unless you have ram but just buy everything on one character and tp to town

[dapper prism]

Not to storage, but just to inventory, which if you got a capacity bag that isnt way underleveled, shouldnt be much of an issue

[dapper prism]

Or do EZ Access achievements

[hexed elm]

oh

i forgot, yeah getting ez access is super important for qol

[thin lark]

EZ Access is nice

[spice stirrup]

I have ram too and ez access. But still takes a lot of clicks

[hexed elm]

same with colosseum/boss keys

[dapper prism]

I feel like im the only person without ram xD

[hexed elm]

dw i dont have ram either

[thin lark]

I no have Ram 🫡 .

[spice stirrup]

Ram was my first pet 😄

[potent maple]

no ram here either, that's why i hug my sheep instead

[dapper prism]

My comments on Ram at release xD
https://i.imgur.com/0ccyeAY.png

And now, im always sad i dont have it xD

[hexed elm]

ram is op if youre lazy

(me)

any lazy qol is op in my eyes

[spice stirrup]

And it took me quite a while until I noticed all the pets are active and not only the one you have equipped

[dapper prism]

lol found another
https://i.imgur.com/eE2bIM9.png

Gosh the things we regret after a while

[hexed elm]

[potent maple]

speaking of underleveled bags, i just traded in tons of worship for souls not realizing i didn't have a decent bag on this character, just carried 30M souls ~500k at a time

back and forth back and forth what, 60 times that'd make it?

[obtuse rover]

Were you at least using the deposit all button or were you clicking stacks?

[dapper prism]

You know you can spam the worship then spam deposit?

[hexed elm]

oh yeah auto pickup will pick it up for you after you clear space

it doesnt use up the attempt immediately

[potent maple]

what do you mean spam the deposit

yeah i'm using deposit all ofc

[dapper prism]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[bold quiver]

ez

[dapper prism]

Wow, gz!

[bold quiver]

used 300 orbs to finish vman bm and bb from 490 to 500

[hexed elm]

just buy the green soul bag on your es

[hexed elm]

gz

gz

[untold saffron]

And then there's me waiting for W6 to level anyone more

[dapper prism]

very nice 😄

[potent maple]

handy, thx!

[sacred verge]

is the DR calculator missing something?

it gives less DR for me

[bold quiver]

huge

[hexed elm]

wait you already have green bag lmao

[potent maple]

my ES has a good bag, i'm not on my ES

[bold quiver]

not even 10%

[hexed elm]

i forgot how shit the green bags are

even the w5 bags suck :(

carried by stamps tbh

kinda silly

[sacred verge]

ruck sack is the real carry

[dapper prism]

got my 3rd Luckier lad yesterday, already stacking up for the 4th xD
https://i.imgur.com/xxyMTYw.png

[placid timber]

[dapper prism]

I'm tempted to put lads on filter though.. but also gotta obv prep for the luckiest lab coming in 2026 or something xD

[pearl cedar]

Luckiest lad prepping

[hollow osprey]

broo what 💀

[old crane]

I have like 8 or 9 so far lol

Lucky lads, not luckier lads lol

[rapid shale]

they start to drop fairly frequently as DR increases

[old crane]

15.7ish now

can't wait for card doublers

[teal lynx]

Would you guys buy him on the off chance of new Island/Clouds for World 6 or later?

[rapid shale]

no

[potent maple]

nah, useless

[dapper prism]

Even by that time, you have all your boats avail to unlock the island easily. Rather maintain Loot

[teal lynx]

Alright then, thought so

[tight saddle]

Tbh I think the cloud discovery rate was never a problem, it was always fast enough

[old crane]

Would probably need speed for new islands in w6?

how fast can the boats go now for ppl done with sailing

[dapper prism]

Depends, but sec

[sinful aurora]

I still cant get to the last island in under 2 hours

[wind umbra]

my fastest without speed cap is 80m rn

[dapper prism]

I have 100m+ Boat without a speed captain

[wind umbra]

but its first boat

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/0zW6PRx.png

Yup

Rest is about 50m w/o speed

[edgy osprey]

Is 30k wis good for the end of w5?

[dapper prism]

yes, its more than me because i dont hourly click

[edgy osprey]

What's that?

[dapper prism]

For 30k Wis you must have clicked the Wis bubble often i assume

[edgy osprey]

Yep

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/dVu4sdD.png

[worthy helm]

Getting more lvs whenever resources come in from printer

[edgy osprey]

Well, that and given my soul to the devil so he blesses me with luck so I get good rolls on stones

[dapper prism]

Whats your bubble 1 at?

[edgy osprey]

3k and change

[dapper prism]

yeh, so lots of hourly clicks

[tight saddle]

jesus christ

[old crane]

Thanks, I need a lot more gold bars I see lol

[edgy osprey]

Plus some from the doubler bubble

[tight saddle]

mine is 293 :)

[dapper prism]

as long as the rest of your account is well rounded (without inflating it by quickslap itself (or Equinox))

You could get into 20-50t+ dmg with like 23-24k stats (thats with a low ~200 Quickslap)

[edgy osprey]

Yeah.... My account isn't well rounded I guess

Except for if we're talking hits. I reach that

[pearl cedar]

Inflate dmg via quickslap and equinox

[azure spindle]

is es best for grinding mob cards or is dk better?

[dapper prism]

Not hits, actual dmg.

[edgy osprey]

What's quickslap again?

[prisma drift]

I’ve seen so many people with bigger quick slap then their skilling bubbles put together

Too many people doing quick slap so early

[pearl cedar]

Guilty

[prisma drift]

I meant like 1500 quick slap

[dapper prism]

dmg based on move speed.

[prisma drift]

And like 200-300 skilling bubbles lol

[edgy osprey]

Oh, Bowman?

[dapper prism]

green bubble, but still counts on all

[edgy osprey]

Ah, the base damage shit

I've invested in the mana base damage bubble

[dapper prism]

Not sht when people be getting to Q dmg with it xD

[rapid locust]

So why do i read everything not to use Unending Loot? Im confused to the downside?

[dapper prism]

less chests

[worn sonnet]

Less rolls

[old crane]

You get more chests if you check often without it

[dapper prism]

All info here:
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[bold quiver]

people are fool for doing quickslap early, so sad

[edgy osprey]

How high a level do I have to get for that?

[dapper prism]

No clue, not recommended because having all the other time gated stuff increased will help more than just "more dmg"

[pearl cedar]

Yeah neglecting skilling for qs is dumb.

[bold quiver]

they dont even have the move speed to start taking advantage of quick slap kkkkkk

[edgy osprey]

Eh, I'm working on my catching anyways, so whatevs

[bold quiver]

then they realize after 2 months that their samples are bad and they cant upgrade atom machine lul

[prisma drift]

It was passed around as the way to beat Nkruk on vman

[dapper prism]

Still a terrible method

[prisma drift]

So that’s what a lot of people did to get the vman dmg

[bold quiver]

wow whoever passad that around is dumb

probably doesnt even play the game to suggest something like that

[rapid locust]

ok I guess my second question is, is it worth specing your second SB into sailing? Im assuming they dont stack

[dapper prism]

Dont stack, highest one counts for all those talents

So technically best to max those talents for dk/sb/es on your 2nd alts that are typically stuck in lab

[rapid locust]

ok cool, tyvm

I'm stuck in those slow hell of salt upgrades and I'm trying not to fuck something else up

[bold quiver]

now my DK beans journey begins

nothing else to do besides that, everyone is 500

[dapper prism]

Anyone here keep these type of items?
https://i.imgur.com/7qKW9xa.png
https://i.imgur.com/ruf55XH.png

[elfin cape]

Shit, I'm being called out

[tight saddle]

wtf? I don't think there is any way to stack enough damage on a vman to not have to still play the fight very actively - would just take a bit less time

[dapper prism]

It hurts tossing away quest items that you cant reclaim.. but i kinda feel like i have too

[bold quiver]

yeah, in the trash bin

[prisma drift]

Uhhhh there is

[bold quiver]

i get the item, drop on the ground, pickit up, drop on the ground again and TP

[prisma drift]

I’m at like 200B without quick slap

And I’m bad

[elfin cape]

Just one shot him?

[bold quiver]

i had 100T dmg with a lvl 250 quickslap '.'

[dapper prism]

My Vman has trillions with a lvl 200 quickslap

[bold quiver]

u can easy get over 500B dmg on vman without quickslap

but hey, quickslap stats picking up at 2,5k-3k lvl, so better start early

until 1500-2000 u wont even see your dmg increasing

[elfin cape]

Just punch his face in the face

[fathom lagoon]

Man I wish pants showed on the char

[tight saddle]

Yeeeeeeaaaah I don't even

Here's my lvl 436

[dapper prism]

The vman lvl itself doesnt mean much btw..

Stuff like Skill levels are important for talent.

[fading plover]

It's growing https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/438216759120756737

[fathom lagoon]

I think he meant 436 qs lvl

[elfin cape]

Every 50 levels you get a decent boost, but most of your damage comes from skill levels and LUK

[paper sail]

The Equinox CHOW is almost over

[fading plover]

Nice

[wind umbra]

how long did it take?

[bold quiver]

any of the old gamers has a higher DR? not on vman or SB

[dapper prism]

I'm totally at 24.71x

[paper sail]

I'm quite distracted, but a little over 2 hours. Optimal would have been ~80 minutes

[elfin cape]

I get 25,12x on DK

[bold quiver]

damn what am i missing?

[dapper prism]

My sarcasm

[elfin cape]

Skill

[wind umbra]

oh not as bad as i thought tbh

might do it at some point

[bold quiver]

what skill

[elfin cape]

Probably plunderous

[dapper prism]

Mainly depends if you do 1-2h candy on sb or just burn through bigger candy on ES tbh

[bold quiver]

oh true, my plunderous is only 110k

[tight saddle]

Ehh I'm stuck with 76 trapping

[elfin cape]

Oh, mine is 112k, not that

[wind umbra]

i thought u couldnt use candy in equinox?

[bold quiver]

maybe this?

[dapper prism]

Always max XP/h traps on Vman, palced with vman and transfusion

[paper sail]

You cannot

[bold quiver]

but it wouldnt explain the extra 42%

[wind umbra]

yeah just 1 min claims right?

[elfin cape]

There's a DR calculator in #1084911530417606656

[dapper prism]

remember that .42 is essentially only like x.20s

[elfin cape]

Do you have FOMO keychains? @bold quiver

[bold quiver]

yea

[paper sail]

It did not give me enough extra efficiency for another tier, but oh well.

[tight saddle]

Sure but like... unless people have skills @ 150 or something I don't see the talent multiplying my damage by a solid 10x lol

[bold quiver]

normal equip set

[tight saddle]

It's like I'm missing a whole damage multiplier

[dapper prism]

It's just 1 part of the many, and most ppl get that to ~100 pretty easily

[bold quiver]

i wonder where that extra is coming from

[potent maple]

do you have treasure hunt items as well? 😄

[bold quiver]

cuz from 24,7 to 25,45x its a lot

[paper sail]

wait I'm in the absolute wrong gear. It did, in fact, get me to the next efficiency tier. Not a waste of time

[bold quiver]

i got verything maxed as far as i remember

[pearl cedar]

200k plunderous?

[dapper prism]

No 👀
https://i.imgur.com/nGCGCUN.png

[bold quiver]

110k but showmdown has the same

[pearl cedar]

And 96 book

Dr stamp?

[bold quiver]

cant push higher

[elfin cape]

Did you try the calc in #1084911530417606656 ? You can see exactly what you're missing

[bold quiver]

llet me see then

[potent maple]

i haven't done 4 yet stilllll hahaha

[dapper prism]

was that another TH?
https://i.imgur.com/8gXzKEa.png

[potent maple]

yeah, they're Type: TRASH

i dunno where my chem shirt is atm

[dapper prism]

Guess time to drop it all :/

[pearl cedar]

Uh i also have almost a full family hyper dr obols and 2 of the random event obols

[bold quiver]

ohhhh, found it lol

[storm kelp]

how many nuggets you guys have now without getting upgrade (but having max equinox upgrade)?

[pearl cedar]

Whatcha missing

[elfin cape]

What was it?

[bold quiver]

the hypr obols '.'

[elfin cape]

[dapper prism]

Do I... Do I toss these too? xD
https://i.imgur.com/jWGBPGV.png

[pearl cedar]

That's not a ton though

You got 5k total level?

[elfin cape]

He has 500 on all

I only have 6 hypers and ,4x more DR

[vapid cove]

what if super duper food king

or super critter baron

lol

[pearl cedar]

But hyper obols only like .2 maybe with all of them

[bold quiver]

im filing the dr calculator to check

[hexed elm]

on a scale of 1-10 how good is vman? as someone halfway through pushing w5 if you just had to guess

[pearl cedar]

You uh have done bob pickle to level 2 yes?

[teal lynx]

Brave you got Bob Vial level 2 for the extra Faux Jewel upgrades in Equinox? Thats another .25

[bold quiver]

HHHHH rly?

i didnt know that

[potent maple]

doesn't matter, what really matters is that you need to push your vman as much to support your other characters and future challenges

[bold quiver]

thta would at least get me to 25

[potent maple]

but he's good

[dapper prism]

10, he's your key support to good samples and mob prints

[hexed elm]

good to know

[pearl cedar]

Mman goat vman nice bonus

[elfin cape]

💀

Oof, I thought pickle vial was equinox fill rate

Locking faux levels is just evil

[potent maple]

trickz how many pickles you got?

[summer glacier]

idk what I did but I was getting orbs faster than I could click them xd

[pearl cedar]

Guess vman ok too for critter/soul/cooking

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/cbnNKdH.png

[green eagle]

You have 25 more than you need, I’ll take them

[potent maple]

no i have 125 more than i need

i lvld that vial like a year ago and don't buy pickles every day

or i'd have 365 more than i need

[worthy helm]

Thank goodness i had it at level 2 already

3.5 years till vial lv 3

[potent maple]

did you keep buying after you leveled it too?

[worthy helm]

Yep

I always buy everything stackable on all shops daily

[potent maple]

so you're probably ahead of me a bit since i don't bother every day

[worthy helm]

Until they're greenstacked anyways

[potent maple]

i buy silver bags even though they arent stackable

[worthy helm]

I transform them into eyes

Eyes stack

[potent maple]

me to but i don't even keep up with them 😄

[bold quiver]

@pearl cedar @elfin cape

[paper sail]

Blessed be the stackables

[bold quiver]

i assume the extra from 23,8 to 24,7 is from luck stats?

i forgot to add luck stats

so i dont understand why is my ingame DR lower

[fading oracle]

any tricks to get the lava skulls for rift?

[dapper prism]

Use SB

Dont use Bubo, Dk or ES

[paper sail]

I had way better luck on ES than any others, but results probably vary

[fading cape]

Finally. Double pendant console chip

Now I can go back and resample and possible hit 1,000m oak logs.

[elfin cape]

[bold quiver]

@dapper prism equinox drop rate upgrades are 18 right?

[bright current]

worth leveling those 2? kinda wanna sit on the full bar for a better upgrade or more levels in good ones so the bar doesnt fill up super slow later

[elfin cape]

Mine worked perfectly

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/i3c7OIt.png

[bold quiver]

si with luck stats added it went up to 25,16 , but in game its not that

[dapper prism]

Cant see, but this xD

[elfin cape]

But still, your missing DR comes from equinox

[bold quiver]

my equyinox is 80%

so 5% each, 16 levels right?

[elfin cape]

Mine is level 21

[sick sentinel]

then the 5 extra that pickle adds

[bold quiver]

25,01

[elfin cape]

And it is affected by DR pack + Plunderous

[bold quiver]

but in game only 24,7

[elfin cape]

So it's like, 48%, which is about what I have more than you

[bold quiver]

weird thing is the drop rate calculator not being accurate tho

[paper sail]

It has never been perfectly accurate

[bold quiver]

garbage then

[paper sail]

Imo, yes, 3-5 points in Food Lust at least 🤷

[bold quiver]

why does it exist if its not accurate

[elfin cape]

It was perfectly accurate for me

[tight saddle]

It's a free tool, I guess you could make it more accurate if you so wish

[bold quiver]

should have known, dont trust free stuff

gotta pay for good stuff

[potent maple]

gee i thought you were in a bad mood the other day

[wind umbra]

ur probs adding another form of dr somewhere

that u dont have ingame

[sick sentinel]

yall reckon this weekend that im away: i leave my bubo active at home and steam link to my computer which sometimes has issues with dropping connection so i occasionally cant connect to it(that i cant fix unless i manually do it)
or just check in on mobile normally

[dapper prism]

Think Equinox broke Toolbox Cooking..

[dapper prism]

Remote Desktop, as long as your PC has some inet you can access your computer.

[tight saddle]

Just leave the bubo and don't check

[sick sentinel]

thats the problem, sometimes it drops connection. temporary housing so i cant connect through ethernet

[tight saddle]

Trust the process

[tight saddle]

Literally trust the idleon process not to crash

[sick sentinel]

yeah but then i miss atoming alch

[potent maple]

if it does drop, you can use mobile as a backup right?

[bold quiver]

cant u use that program that connect your pc to another pc/smartphone

then u can reconnect through phone

[sick sentinel]

will that mess up the game being on at home?

[tight saddle]

Use anydesk for example

[dapper prism]

temporary drops are irrelevant though

[potent maple]

i wouldn't think so but i have NO experience to answer

[pure ember]

Gensis sphere and 5+ rng would do that

[sick sentinel]

it doesnt reconnect unless i fix it lol

[tight saddle]

I prefer not to open idleon on mobile at all - it always screws something up like resets all talents on all characters or something

[potent maple]

fix it from home i assume you mean

[bold quiver]

do u have yours saved? mine is like this, i dont think i've missed anyting

[dapper prism]

thought you meant a steam issue type thing

[sick sentinel]

yeah no like actual connection to internet

[tight saddle]

idk make a .bat with ipconfig release and renew and schedule it to run every hour lol

unless your network cable literally drops on the floor randomly and thus the manual fix

[dapper prism]

Or.. take a mental break from idleon 😉

[sick sentinel]

true

[potent maple]

anyone would do that ofc

[bold quiver]

all those bubbles lost

[elfin cape]

Wait, mine is wrong too

[bold quiver]

kkkkkkkkk

[potent maple]

is there a "how to make more ladles/hr" guide or graphic or something somewhere?

[bold quiver]

its giving extra DR there, maybe the math with plunderous kills and some other new source of DR isnt the way that is

plunderous kills might not be boosting equinox DR

[elfin cape]

Basically only these are different, but I'm getting 0,4x more DR here than in game

[bold quiver]

same as me

[wind umbra]

isnt equinox bonus 21?

[elfin cape]

True, I'm dumb

[bold quiver]

i think thats what is happening tho, plunderous kills might not boost equinox ingame. But the calculator is assuming it does

so u get extra DR

if its not that the guy just fucked up the math

[elfin cape]

Could be

[sick sentinel]

equinox drop rate was giving me extra when i upgraded it

[static basin]

mine is also coincidentally showing 25.01 on the spreadsheet, but im 24.71 in game

[bold quiver]

i was getting 7% DR from every equinox

BUT it should be giving me more cuz of plunderous

or no, idk

[elfin cape]

Should be giving around 0,9x

[bold quiver]

we are twins

at least im not paranoid anymore about forgetting something even after checking 5 times lol

guess i'll only see more DR upgrade after 60 days!

[elfin cape]

@bold quiver write a fanfic bug report about that

[bold quiver]

its just like the "bug" that u can go over 5DR with lab chips because of plunderous kills

[elfin cape]

Really? LMAO

[bold quiver]

yeah, i had that when i was starting out

i had 5 DR capped, but after getting a few plunderous and upgrading talent it went to 5,5 kkkkkkkk

ez DR haks

[static basin]

equinox giving 7% is correct

for me at least

luckier lad should give 100%, but i get 145%, so i have a 1.45x multi i guess, with plunder and island bundle combined

5 * 1.45 = 7.25

[bold quiver]

correct then

math is wrong somewhre else then

[elfin cape]

I need to sleep

I can't do math

I even just put 23 points into faux jewels in the calc XD

[static basin]

i'm locked out of 25x dr because of stupid bobjoe vial

[elfin cape]

Just get 1M plunderous

[potent maple]

is it a valid tactic to just sit and hit harvest all like every few minutes for mutuation? I still haven't gotten my friggin chem plant and i need to start prepping for the dream

[static basin]

absolutely not haha

[elfin cape]

Yup, harvest and click

Spam 0,1%s

[potent maple]

yeah looks like i can do that like 20+ times per hour at least, i'll check it out after dinner

[prisma drift]

That’s kinda how I did it

I checked every 10ish minutes

[vagrant mountain]

just research after every plant

[viscid jolt]

anyone know how to complete the legendary flag achievement? i am killing things as efficiently as possible and can only get up to 114 before it drops by 30 points.

[sick sentinel]

you need to unspec from vman enhance talent

[true anchor]

For slab related bonuses do you get an increase for every +1 item or is it only when you reach a multiple of 100

[worthy helm]

Depends on what the bonus says

Not every 1 no

[sick sentinel]

dont they have different requirements? some 10, 100, whatever

[true anchor]

Yea was mainly wondering just in general if increasing it did anything if you’re not hitting a breakpoint

Kinda like other stuff in the game

Like power of 10 stuff

[fading oracle]

how long does it take to get my guys to lab lvl 75 and divinity high enough to free them again?

[vapid cove]

dont know maybe a few weeks - a month

[restive aspen]

what was the recommended list for getting onyx statues again? On the accuracy statue as my last one and couldn't remember if its better to use ES or DK for it

[vapid cove]

snake skin vial at level 13 and a bubble in yellow forget its name

start up exe

[potent maple]

does your snake skin vial say 100% on it? as in do you have enough other vials completed?

[vapid cove]

definitely not me lol

[fathom lagoon]

That’ll work? Even if it says 0% at 1 Dna?

[potent maple]

then you're not ready yet!

[vapid cove]

im barely getting into level 13 vials on mine

have 2 currently

[potent maple]

check out in pins for the tips, you'll want like 26-27 vials maxed before you deposit all

[restive aspen]

my snake vial is at 90%

[blazing zodiac]

does multikill increase your deathnote faster?

dang

[restive aspen]

working at getting it to 100% and then doing the kapow statue farming

[vagrant mountain]

yeah as long as you can click it

[fathom lagoon]

Wow nice imma do that too for an hour lol

[vagrant mountain]

with the research, it's all about quantity over quality

[fathom lagoon]

1500 more mutton statues & w4 dunzoooo

[surreal girder]

got chemtech on .4% the day after i got tree lol

[vagrant mountain]

most people that dont have chem plants after a week or two just save up too much for researches

[restive aspen]

nice, the bullseye statue is my last one. I'm doing about 12 per portal right now

[fathom lagoon]

Nice, I haven’t done that one yet. Gonna do the one-offs like that & fishing a little later, after w5 statues lol

[restive aspen]

yep that's how I did it. I did all the easy mob ones first (w3 was the worst at the time) and was left with oceanman and bullseye. Just dumped a ton of candies to grab the 20k fishing statues

[fathom lagoon]

I skipped w3 gotta go back to that after w5 too

[potent maple]

i have shite rng, i've been playing since w5 came out (lazily, but daily) and click at .01% most of the time. i have snail and 300k nug and all sorts of stuff that people usually get after chem lol

[weak plume]

Hi. Two questions - 1) Did something change recently for 3d prints in association with divinity for 3x? I used to be able to click some upgrades on alchemy hourly and now it takes days. 2) What is a decent setup to maximize atoms assuming one has doot. Thanks in advance!

[restive aspen]

w3 is all active ES spam

[potent maple]

did you doublecheck that you're still connected to right god and lab is all connected the way you expect etc?

[stoic crow]

Did you resample and reset the artifact? Or change DK preset?

[potent maple]

are you clicking on the right character in alchemy?

[weak plume]

Lab is all done, I don't think I changed links... Most are with harriep

[fathom lagoon]

Yea saw trickz’ guide imma just follow that

[potent maple]

i had a breakdown on something else recently and realized my lab was disconnected because i moved gods around and the characters werent in the right place!!!

[potent maple]

worked just fine for me too

[obtuse rover]

If you resampled you might have lost your stacked bonus.
If you used to have DK passive skill on that might have changed
You might have a broken node in lab.

[weak plume]

Checked lab... Have two DKs with +%... I did resample recently. I might have to wait a few days to get a boost.

[potent maple]

atoms = work on samples

[fathom lagoon]

I remember when my biggest issue in idleon was getting enough bloaches to boost Shaq. Good times.

[obtuse rover]

The loss of bonus from the sailing artifact when you resampled might be the cause, in that case.

[fathom lagoon]

Esp if it was eldritch

[weak plume]

I see. I'm trying to get quicc slapp going and resampled speedrunnin' voidy to get coco. <-- brand new sentence I guess.

Yeah it's eldritch. The woes of being late game.

Thanks for the help.

[potent maple]

i've heard people further along than me say not to bother with quicc slapp but i didn't follow why

[vagrant mountain]

quick slap needs levels to start scaling

[weak plume]

I want all of the #6 bubbles to get going regardless. Base dmg is nothing to sneeze at, even at the trillion dmg club.

[vagrant mountain]

quick slap is better when you already have 10T

quick slap doesnt get you to 10T but it gets you from 10T to 100T

[sharp igloo]

At what level do people usually stop raising quick slap? Mines at 1000 and I still only have 2-3T

[fathom lagoon]

[vagrant mountain]

if youre leveling quick slap, youre usually done with everything else and that's all you're using your atoms on

[weak plume]

I can't speak for quicc, but I usually figure out a good hourly-click setup and go ham. Like grind time it's as much as you want to get it

[vagrant mountain]

quick slap is quadratic so each level is more valuable than the last

[obtuse rover]

The downside is that quick slap levels are usually at the cost of bob levels. A painful trade-off

[vagrant mountain]

yeah damage is just for memes in this game

[weak plume]

If W6 doesn't have a 10T base HP mob, then yeah, dmg is memes.

[sharp igloo]

Doesnt it help with multikill too?

[obtuse rover]

Yeah, but multikill tiers scale pretty hard so it takes a lot of damage to reach each new tier, relative to the last.

You can have 100x the damage but won't get nearly 100x the gains

[sharp igloo]

Yeah but you might get like 1.5x the gains which is still pretty significant

[obtuse rover]

Damage is still useful. It's another thing to flex (both the sheet damage and the gmush kills).

[vagrant mountain]

yeah, the difference in multikill between 1000T damage and 100T damage is like 2 tiers

[obtuse rover]

It's also useful at the start of a new world to be able to consistently multikill the new mobs and then to be able to run jawbreaker and midas prayers at the last mob of the world for new money and exp gains.

[rough wasp]

My Name I guess will get good right?

[weak plume]

I got name to 1k, it's defintely helping.

[sharp igloo]

I just hourly click that one and use atoms on quick slapp

[weak plume]

I also recently had grind time at 300 and decided to take it seriously, at 8k now. It's the way to go until it gets rebalanced.

[prisma furnace]

Finally.. Managed to complete the Royal Score (colloseum) quest on my Vman. That was rough, he really isn't good at Collo xD

[potent maple]

was it a matter of dmg or timing skills?

i haven't tried it for a long long time

[prisma furnace]

Definately not about damage. I just did a few tries today, and I think I got the right timing down. Barely inched above the threshold

If I were to guess then it's all about the time bonus at the end, the faster a time you can get the better. So yeah, gotta experiment with it I guess

But that's 2500 more twosoul statues I dont have to farm from W3 mobs xD

[unborn relic]

If I kill 800,000 sticks and they have a 1/20,000 chance of dropping a woodular circle shouldn't I be getting roughly 40 of the circles each time

Why is it that I'm still getting 1 or 2

[solid lantern]

depends, kill per kill adds to the kill count, but isnt actually the base kill

[fathom lagoon]

I think it counts base kills not w multikill

[unborn relic]

Is there a way of seeing my base kills?

[fathom lagoon]

Divide by multikill I think? I may be wrong

[sick sentinel]

and 2x from lab node

[solid lantern]

uhhhh dont think so since late game you get a lot of passive bonus etc

[sick sentinel]

yeah lots of dif addons

[solid lantern]

and also 2x if you have divinity unlocked

[sick sentinel]

kpk bubble

[unborn relic]

Damn

Thanks for clarifying that

[stoic verge]

Is there any tool where i can see what mobs im missing for my zow?

[slender sandal]

ie or it have it

[stoic verge]

Why does ie say im missing the rams and the eyes when i have over 100m kills on them?

[vapid cove]

visual bug if you've done a v man run recently no?

[vagrant mountain]

do you have 2 bb

ony kills on your second bb count for z/chows

[stoic verge]

No

[vagrant mountain]

did you do your 100m kills on your bb?

[stoic verge]

Yes

[stoic verge]

No

[vagrant mountain]

IE is just bugged, look on IT

https://idleontoolbox.com/account/apocalypses?c=maestro&b=4

the rams are probably the equinox map

[stoic verge]

But it says i have 64 chows

In game

Only things im missing is crawlers and worms and the boops

How?

At least in my cards

[vagrant mountain]

i dont understand the question

[stoic verge]

How is this possible

[sick sentinel]

theyre "hidden" ones

or "secret" some ppl call em

[stoic verge]

Where do i find them?

[fathom lagoon]

Rams on equinox map

[stoic verge]

And eyes?

[fathom lagoon]

I think first blank is poops on Dr def map

[vagrant mountain]

there are no eyes, stop looking on IE lol

[sick sentinel]

poops2, solo nutto, dootmush, rift, equinox are the extras?

[vagrant mountain]

and boops

[sick sentinel]

i dont rly count those as extras, but i can see it

[stoic verge]

Ty

[vagrant mountain]

i havent done any of the extras lol

[signal osprey]

[vagrant mountain]

[sick sentinel]

i'll do equinox to chow but fuck the others

[signal osprey]

2 of them can be candied

[vagrant mountain]

contract always arrives at my most shameful moments

[signal osprey]

I'm not even gonna do equinox chow for now. Don't really think its worth it

[sick sentinel]

i only did it while doing colo2

i cant do 2 runs yet so i had 2 sbs and bb doing their thing

[signal osprey]

Whats your orb level?

[sick sentinel]

267

[vagrant mountain]

most days, all the motivation I have for this game is spent on clicking bubbles and depositing my statues

[sick sentinel]

max 269

[proud pumice]

why is there an equinox chow? there are no mobs there

[vagrant mountain]

there is an invisible ram

[proud pumice]

where

[signal osprey]

You chow the fish right out of the water

[proud pumice]