lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[clear quartz]

or maybe 3? i forget

[little pagoda]

Yeah I used time candy in the end so I think that does it

[clear topaz]

who should I put it on? My siege guy or divine knight

[clear quartz]

or yeah, candy

[eager sedge]

Do i go for 300 on first or reset?

[little pagoda]

If I knew I could do it from tehee 3 I would be done a week ago lol

[dapper prism]

Read my posts above, what they said is bullcrap.
Also you spread your hampters evenly between all chars. Could do an extra 10-50% on your warris IF they have the gold food talent skileld.

That would be broken af else you could login every 2mins and get 1h procs.. on everything. Especially since later on you can hit 100% chance to proc. Omni skips too.. all that crap. Whole game would be busted with gameplay being "oh login every 2mins, do nothing else"

[clear topaz]

ok, thanks

[fading dust]

Whatre yalls shortcuts to sampling? 👀 Should I put everyone who i an not sampling with on goat?

[dapper prism]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

Could do a full wood run first with snake, and have all other alts on goat. then the same for ore with snake, then everyone else on goat.

[fading dust]

Oo looks pretty generalized

[modest pawn]

how much should I need on my v-man to kill nightmare w5 boss?

[opaque sun]

Cost scaling stops past 100 so no point of resetting the first order as its cheap even at 100+

[eager sedge]

I see thanks

[fading dust]

Thanks! Am I losing out on a bunch of gains if I dont put everyone else on goat?

The 2 unlinks per week is pretty limiting

[dapper prism]

Technically anything that 1 shots moles will work, but just waste time.
88b was ~12minutes.
making 40b about 30ish minutes.

More info plus vid here:
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[eager sedge]

get every1 to lvl 40 and never touch altar other than unlocking gods

[misty spindle]

@dapper prism One question regarding active vs afk gains, do you get more rare drops such as golden plop, nuget cake, when youre active?

[opaque sun]

You only need to do 1st order for the boxes, and 6th order to seek out colo tickets (but much material costly the requires a reset)

[dapper prism]

Not that much but its still additive afk gain. For a simpler method, just put mages+warris on snake, and the others on goat. still fine and beneficial if you care about switching back

[opaque sun]

2nd - 5th orders are non-existent

[dapper prism]

Well yeh.. DK orb and ES wurmhole done work afk..

Which are 2 huge DR multipliers

[potent lily]

How do i unlock 5star cards

[misty spindle]

is it worth active playing with my maestro? my DK and ES are praying currently and are 10 levels bigger then maestro

[dapper prism]

Rift 41 or 46ish?

[potent lily]

I cant pass rift 1 lol

[opaque sun]

On a character that is not using any skills (turn it off in options) and you somehow adjust to make the same base kills of active as afk kills, active doesnt get much more rares

[misty spindle]

my guuuuy lesgooo

[grizzled hollow]

he has the worst atk set for active, should be hella higher afk gains

[dapper prism]

Then dont worry about it. Also 3-4* cards only require 10's to a few hundred cards. 5* cards use thousands

[fast grail]

Sounds like you have bigger problems than 5 star cards

[dapper prism]

10 levels in what?

Like wood/mine?

[misty spindle]

divinity

[dapper prism]

Doesnt matter..

Only thing you care about is w1-3 on mman-vman

[potent lily]

O i need tp start working on div too oof

[barren otter]

@signal osprey did you unlock seasalt yet?

[opaque sun]

Somehow it just seems you are fantasizing over the “secret” mman class too much

[misty spindle]

so youre saying I should put my DK on rare farming and maestro on divinity?

[dapper prism]

Active with a purpose, on just blind without a reason..

You use who you need, not who you like

[potent lily]

Im now farming 12 mil green mashrom for vman

[opaque sun]

Mman/vman is like a supportive bard of family. He himself doesnt get things done much, but sure helps others shine

[dapper prism]

what kph?

[misty spindle]

I understand what youre saying but is there a difference between DKs drop rate and ESs?

[potent lily]

50k i think

[misty spindle]

Im just going for woodocoler circles

[dapper prism]

Es only works on mobs from that map itself, coming/spawning from wormhole
DK works on non-map original mobs, like crystals and minibosses.

[little pagoda]

Man, people talk too much about pop obol farming but the actual time consuming part is getting all those sparkle dice obols

[misty spindle]

I see, so ES is better for farming woodocoler circle

[dapper prism]

If you need a drop from the mob itself, like donuts cooking boots you use ES.
If you need pens, or dice obols from crystals and stuff, you use DK

DK also great for colo*

[misty spindle]

thank you so much dude

[potent lily]

At list i have good mining (20 mil) eff

[pure ember]

I did it in 1 night getting 5 16% DR

Dice obols

[little pagoda]

I mean the biggest problem isn't the dice obols, it's the fragments to upgrade them

[pure ember]

Getting the 4 main stats to purple was more annoying

[dapper prism]

Camp DK at snelbie

[eager sedge]

beans

[pure ember]

Snelbie

[eager sedge]

So many obols

[dapper prism]

Beans good for 2:1 for statues

[eager sedge]

i like beans

[pure ember]

True

[dapper prism]

more annoying due to low obols

[little pagoda]

I think world 2 is still better fragments isn't it

[pure ember]

W2 better fragments and has decent statues

[eager sedge]

Eh maybe

[dapper prism]

Yes, Snelbie would be the best. But Beans you get the statues for wood/mine (better samples)

[eager sedge]

I only care abt dice and pens anyway

[little pagoda]

I might have to do beans overnight at least once, I've been doing mostly just snelbies so the statues are already pretty high

[dapper prism]

if u still care for pens, and want frags on the side, W3 bloodbones

[eager sedge]

Ill do that after i get my spsrkle dices

[little pagoda]

w3 is good for the construction and trapping obols too

Mostly construction, trapping is meh

[eager sedge]

Chiz is the solution for that

[dapper prism]

I still like camping traping obols on BM because why not

[eager sedge]

u get a shitton of obols

[little pagoda]

I don't have that many keys to farm chizoar for obols

Only like 300 or so

[eager sedge]

Coloseum

[little pagoda]

Probably need to do w3 colosseum at some point too, never did it with DK

[eager sedge]

I got a full inv with 40 keys

[little pagoda]

I actually only did colosseum at w4 since building my DK lol

[dapper prism]

different colo, different purpose

[little pagoda]

But now that I have less trouble getting ladles and eggs are not that important, I should do the others too

[eager sedge]

mine looks pretty solid at castles

[lunar axle]

is there a max level for vials/ bubbles?

[dapper prism]

Colosseum Purpose:

• Colo 1 = Gems per ticket (But not much more than colo 2, at the loss of candy)
• Colo 2 = Candy, Golden Kebab (+% Total dmg)
• Colo 3 = Slush Obols+Skulls, Golden Bread (+% Coin drop)
• Colo 4 = Eggs, Laddles
• Colo 5 = To be released

[dapper prism]

Vials, 13. Bubbles, some somewhat get capped based on effy. Others dont give the benefit beyond leveling a certain amount. #1084911530417606656 has a doc on efficiency per bubble

[lunar axle]

Thank you!

[eager sedge]

Bubbles only hardcap no max lvls

U got bubbles to upgrade dw

[little pagoda]

Should I save flag speed cogs? The ones that give +x% flag speed

[dapper prism]

EXP, and only EXP

Speed to Flags itself isn't that bad (directional ones u aim at flag) but not necessarily flaggy rate

[little pagoda]

Yeah that one

But I assume I won't need to have a build for flag speed except for the few last spots and at that point I will be able to just cog click for it

[dapper prism]

You dont have builds

All you want is XP

Directional XP, and more XP,

If you dont have an XP cog you can toss in whatever, until you get.. an XP cog

[eager sedge]

Lookin good?

[dapper prism]

Exception to some XP may be a good directional BR, kinda like the above pic

[fossil ferry]

how can a dumb game like pong lag so much lmao its the simplest of things

[dapper prism]

but all base cogs, should have xp, like above

[little pagoda]

Don't worry I am doing that

[dapper prism]

Only solution is go to an empty server/world and a non occupied zone with little going on, like a mining area or something

[fossil ferry]

happened to be in a mining area on a quiet world

but its like 10% of the frames during the game are not implemented at the key moments

[dapper prism]

yup

Wanted achievement, gave up after a few rounds due to stupid freeze frames

[eager sedge]

Vman was the best for getting skilling cards?

[dapper prism]

@fossil ferry

[fossil ferry]

yea im stopping at this 10k highscore

[dapper prism]

For most, not fishing (bb is) not sure about catching?

[dapper prism]

I quit at 8k 🤷

[eager sedge]

i see ty

Gonna have to start getting those to 3-4* before big resampling time

[graceful forge]

what is the summer shell

[dapper prism]

a hat from summer cooler from the current summer daily event.

[graceful forge]

oh

thanks

[signal crypt]

What's the best way to get crit chance up?

[dapper prism]

Probably cooking food and vip book talent overaccurate crit (crit from accuracy)

[misty spindle]

trick you actually saved me days of progress

youre such a life saver

[opaque sun]

statues scales crit % quite nice too

[dapper prism]

lol, what did i do? 😄

[eager sedge]

I rlly need more storage space

[misty spindle]

you told me to farm with ES instead of maestro, the amount of drops is absurd

[dapper prism]

Speaking of, didnt mention earlier. Vman would be used for drops from bosses btw

[dapper prism]

One good thing to do is dedicate a mule alt. Like my last alt (SB2) that's never really needed much, will have a lot of those random items one never really gets, but still gets somtimes, like the yellow flowers there. (just incase kinda thing if you dont want to toss it)

[misty spindle]

I did do that yeah, killed chizoar efaunt and mini bosses with maestro and got insanely lucky so I just said hell Ill let him active farm too but yeah

[eager sedge]

nah i don t plan on keepin em ill just trow them most likely

but still i have so many more things to fit here and no space

Good team for this fight? I just do very low dps

Curent pets

[dapper prism]

follow the doc:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml#

Once you have snelbie, you basically have everything.

[eager sedge]

I see

well shelbie ain t that far haha

[signal osprey]

5 bottles away so in 2 days knowing my luck

[barren otter]

im at 87/95 and knowing my luck as well im 2 days off

[dapper prism]

Definetely 2 days, i was getting 6 to 7 bottles a day when it said ~7 :/

[barren otter]

my avg says ~7/day

[dapper prism]

@barren otter You won't believe what happened!

[barren otter]

but ive gotten 5 bottles 3 days in a row now

[dapper prism]

Rate this nugget 😦

[barren otter]

16,935/100,000

[eager sedge]

U rate this

[dapper prism]

Yeh but you arnt far into gaming

[eager sedge]

still a 692 nugget😭

[dapper prism]

There's also a different reason, it's my increase has been minimal each time

[eager sedge]

i saw some1 who got into w5 in 3 days got a 6k

[dapper prism]

10k to 13k to 15k to 17k.

Still different point

[barren otter]

whats your top end looking like now?

mines 471k

[dapper prism]

506k

[barren otter]

and still stuck at 17k

[signal osprey]

If its any consolation gaming is a dead skill so getting a nugget only feels good. It doesn't actually help you accomplish anything

[dapper prism]

Pretty true too

Still want that 6 digit nugget though xD

[modern plaza]

yeah gaming is actually just like dud, unless they add some long term gains like other skills have

[dapper prism]

The initial MSA stuff was nice, then it wears off quickly af. especially if we cant hit that last +10 atom levels..

[gentle anchor]

why does this not give any bonuses i know i dont have a lot of meals but it should give me 33.44%

it gave 1% from lvl 1

know it still gives 1%

[fossil ferry]

its not linear

[dapper prism]

thats just because of visual rounding

[fossil ferry]

is it

[dapper prism]

not ur post, the 1% person

CTRL+F blood marrow in this chat, it's been explained many times.

Either way, it sucks early on, but once you get around 300-500+ plate levels it gets strong

this is at 3k:
https://i.imgur.com/oUvZ0Ca.png

[gentle anchor]

i dont have any other talents to put points into

wtf

[fathom lagoon]

It’s exponential. It doesn’t get good til your cooking lvls get into 3-400+

[crystal raven]

Has any one else had an issue that certain ships stopped gathering loot. Like my ship 17 is not gathering loot and I tested it by having three ships set to candied island and 17 set to isle of note and I ended up getting no chest from Isle of note

[signal crypt]

What's the highest crit chance you guys get?

[dapper prism]

Because loot pile is full?

[dapper prism]

can easily get to 250%+

[twin token]

Crit doesn't matter past 200%

[twin token]

Epoch?

[signal crypt]

It does for shimmer island

[twin token]

Oh right

[dapper prism]

Guess it got a purpose again xD

[signal osprey]

Not really

[dapper prism]

isnt it 250%+ crit for 10 shimmers?

[gentle anchor]

i dont got worship+critter lvl 1OO+

[dapper prism]

Its combined levels

[signal crypt]

Which char is easiest to reach high crit? Siege Breaker?

[signal osprey]

Theres not a lot of good ways to really push it super hard and the shimmer trial is one of those fun ones that isnt possible I'm pretty sure

[twin token]

Enhancement

[gentle anchor]

i know i got like 7O

[signal osprey]

BM

[dapper prism]

Gotta work on your stuff

set vman to max xp traps

[twin token]

Hm doesn't get any extra bonuses does he?

[signal crypt]

I'm getting 10 shimmers with 237%

[twin token]

Also wouldn't es be the easiest bc of statue talenr

[signal osprey]

Archers get increased effect of the crit chance bubble from green bubble two and they have a crit talent in tab 1. Bm specifically increases that talent with his vial skill in the hunter tab

Other option would be ES who is probably better in a minmax setup because of increased beholder statue effect but it assumes you have good statue levels

[twin token]

I think es would still be better tho right

[signal osprey]

Depends entirely on your statues levels

And I guess green bubble 2 level as well

[crystal raven]

so all of my ships are set out and clearly all made it back and touched down but i only had 5 chest saved up

[twin token]

Ok so if hr like rlly endgame with level 400 I see u then u get an extra 13% crit over es aswell as an extra like 6% from archer is best

[dapper prism]

Have you even mentioned how many boats you have, loot pile, all that stuff? I have 0 info to even go off anything you are saying atm

you can check loot pile on IE

[twin token]

And then at level 300 es gets an extra 85% from statues so yeah its just statue levels

[signal crypt]

You set the chest filter

[dapper prism]

Thought those were wood chests for some reason, havnt touched my properly sailing in weeks xD

[signal osprey]

Not gonna make much of a difference either way. Crit chance is one of those impossible ones

Go grind another 50 beholder levels for that extra shimmer

[signal crypt]

Does it make sense to waste shimmers on the star book?

[crystal raven]

thank you lmao i thought i was going crazy bc i have all ships unlockd i must have missed clicked bc i never mess with the filter

[signal osprey]

Thats really up to you. On average its probably more effective to level some stats first but some people want to gamble

[tall horizon]

Oh already answered lol 😆

[opaque sun]

expected cost of 300 shimmer pts and 200 star talents for 4-5% stats

[dapper prism]

I never see what the issue is with the star talents, pretty easy to have?

[signal osprey]

The shimmer one is a gamble so not quite that easy

Its 3 shimmers for a 1% chance to get the talent

[dapper prism]

Not unlocking the book, just owning 200 star talents for it.

[opaque sun]

Star talents is affordable, but we dont have enough to max everything so have to be choosy a bit

[dapper prism]

No need to max everything, bunch of useless stuff around

[opaque sun]

its still a cost to consider

[signal osprey]

Even all of the useful ones can cost a decent bit once you have everything unlocked and you push TP talent

[opaque sun]

4-5% stat is nice, but additive with other sources of stat % so maybe seem underwhelming than one may feel

[ocean fox]

is it worth having one of each of the kattlecruk and magma set for ES?

[dapper prism]

I'm doing that for most my alts.
Only making divine if i have a backup magma for it, mainly for easier sampling/less moving stuff around.

[twilit goblet]

are these worth rushing to 85% or better off just focusing on the cheaper mining bubbles first to produce more atoms

[opaque sun]

you only really need magma set as a sampling skilling gear

[signal osprey]

I would get all other skilling bubbles to 95% before even bothering with those to 85%/90%. Theyre very expensive and they dont even scale all that well

[runic girder]

So ideal set up is owning 3 magma sets and 10 kattle sets?

[crisp silo]

U wanna farm for that much twine?

[dapper prism]

Twine really isnt that hard

[runic girder]

Still got 21 in storage

[crisp silo]

Fair enough

[runic girder]

I have enough to get all my guys kattle gear rn

[crisp silo]

Even salts?

[signal osprey]

I got enough twine for 10 troll helms just by candying 1b flombs

[runic girder]

So id only need 9 twine more for the 3 extra magma sets

[crisp silo]

Damn, bro is rich

[dapper prism]

Kinda if you don't mind moving gear around. I dont enjoy moving stuff around a lot

[runic girder]

Just the twines lol

[crisp silo]

Salts

[runic girder]

Only need to move the magma when sampling

[crisp silo]

Maybe have your mains mains be kattle and have the lab rats/neglected ones have magma

[dapper prism]

This is just how i have my alts setup: (missing helmet on this guy)
https://i.imgur.com/FSbEuGa.png

[crisp silo]

So in case lava decides next gear is from magma

[runic girder]

Or just leave them in their amarok/dementia/idk what half my dudes are wearing, kind of gear

[dapper prism]

Also, Divine is less stats, less dmg, less multipliers on things like money etc. compared to magma

[crisp silo]

Maybe its time to give them an upgrade

[runic girder]

Why lol

[twilit goblet]

thanks! was thinking it was really expensive. What about the afk gains for chopping bubble? does it scale bad as well?

[crisp silo]

Chiz would be goated and its probably dirt cheap rn

[runic girder]

Too much effort

Well chiz is easy i think

[crisp silo]

Chiz is always nice

[runic girder]

Havent looked at the recipe in a bit

[dapper prism]

Chiz is essentially free

[signal osprey]

The afk ones are a little more important but still not as important as all the earlier skilling bubbles

[runic girder]

But still like most of them havent seen outside their test tubes in ages

[twin token]

Anybody wanna run dungeons

[dapper prism]

Not really but i guess id be down for 1 to do my weekly

[crisp silo]

Time to let them see light

Maybe for 2 hours is good

[twin token]

Alr cool

[crisp silo]

Then back in the tube for 2 years

[runic girder]

Theyll probably shrivel like vampires lol

[dapper prism]

@twin token Cookie 20, Dungeon w1

[twin token]

Alr

[crisp silo]

They forgor how to breathe gas

[runic girder]

Wait how are they actually connected in lab

[exotic juniper]

Time for week 6 of looking for Choco chip…

[crisp silo]

Suspended in liquid i guess breathing through gills

This guy dosent know about chips

[runic girder]

Liquid breathing

Yum

[exotic juniper]

OMG first buy

[odd stream]

just a few more months don't worry

[runic girder]

Too late

[odd stream]

nvm

[twilit goblet]

thanks bro

[odd stream]

lol

[crisp silo]

Damn

[runic girder]

Aaah, december 28th

[crisp silo]

I was gonna screnshot for the guy

[runic girder]

Greatest game design ever

[crisp silo]

Its a once a year chip

[exotic juniper]

Amazing. Finally I can play the game lol

[crisp silo]

Or biyearly

[exotic juniper]

Took 6 weeks of buying 7/7 chips lol

[crisp silo]

I dont reqlly remember

[runic girder]

Not often enougg

Thats what it is

[crisp silo]

The true once a year chip is the fighting afl one

That i know

[runic girder]

I have that i think

[crisp silo]

Wait a minute

Why are 3 of them showing up next year

I barely got 1 this year

[odd stream]

last time chocolate chip was in rotation I had 100 gears, now I have them greenstacked

[crisp silo]

Ahh life

[dapper prism]

First buy and 6th week, don't go hand in hand xd

[gentle anchor]

how to get the player ratings the wiki is a bit vage

[twilit goblet]

get 1 guy with P or S name to say 1 star, game sucks!

and it'll drop

actual players ^

[crisp silo]

Worst quest of all time

[dapper prism]

@twin token doing another, down?

[twin token]

Don't have anymore runs

I'll leave sorry for black person

[crisp silo]

This may have sounded differently in the head

[twin token]

Oh yeah could've worded that differently

[icy jewel]

got a weird question, i straight up rushed to w5 in three months months. all my alts have been in the lab/ divinity. left them there for the last 2-3 weeks? should i start grinding their levels in w4 now or keep them lab slaves lab is now level 50 for everyone

[crisp silo]

Get elites?

[twin token]

First mov in w5 is gonna give u more xp than last mob in w4

[icy jewel]

they all elite did that first thing in w4

[twin token]

Even if it's harder to kill them the xp gains are massive

[icy jewel]

div is is like 25 now?

[crisp silo]

1 guy at a time to farm

[gentle anchor]

is there someone here thats name start with a P i cant find anyone bruh

[dapper prism]

Is 3 months still considered rushing w5? 🤔

[icy jewel]

i check in rarely i dont ever play actively

guarantee you you can push to 5 in way less time....

[crisp silo]

Anyways

Id say 1 guy go farm

Rest sit lab or however many it takes to reach all(?) Nodes

Maybe most is good enough

[icy jewel]

got it

i got 1 cooking 1 thats super slow in w5

at lampars

and rest are lab

[crisp silo]

If u have excess, congrats, chuck em into battle

Or somethin else

[icy jewel]

ok so unlock everything in lab then do that

thanks

[crisp silo]

Probably

[icy jewel]

probably need to take my journey man out and farm

for the perks

[crisp silo]

Is it still a jmam?

[icy jewel]

sorry vman

he's exactly 150 lol

[crisp silo]

Ok, got scared for a sec

[icy jewel]

pusher is 300 already everyone is like 110

if that

[crisp silo]

U greenstack everything?

[icy jewel]

six items

[crisp silo]

Huh

Ok

Greenstack is sizeable

[icy jewel]

just unlocked that atom thing from the construction

[crisp silo]

Maybe start greenstacking skilling mats

Like wood and ores

[icy jewel]

got it thanks

mats > monster drops in your opinion?

[crisp silo]

Id say dont focus on atoms too much, cause u cant produce many

[dapper prism]

You 3D print the skilling stuff, so it should be easy to setup and do

[icy jewel]

cuz my pusher is so low only 40 mil damage

[crisp silo]

Mats are very ez to print

Mob drops are difficult

Cause its ez to get 1M oak/hr

Not really so much so as 1M spore/hr

[icy jewel]

dumb question

why am i green stacking

[untold lintel]

damage

[icy jewel]

so many intricate things in this game

[crisp silo]

1%/3% dmg per stack

It adds up

[icy jewel]

where does that come from

that buff

[dapper prism]

Lab

[icy jewel]

i should ask

[twin token]

2nd to last node

[crisp silo]

The greenstack lab node

Theres a gem that boosts its effect

[icy jewel]

oh ok i dont have enough pixels to get there yet

[dapper prism]

Oh wow:
https://i.imgur.com/7ZyU1K6.png

[icy jewel]

thanks yall

[twin token]

That combined with the gem gives insane damage multi

[icy jewel]

❤️

[dapper prism]

Not sure how bad/good total dmg keychains are though 🤔

[crisp silo]

Respawn is sick though

[icy jewel]

appreciate yall

[little pagoda]

At what point should I put my guys to level sigils? I unlocked all bubbles, should I max cauldron boosts first?

[untold lintel]

doesnt take long to get the first few, i got to the stamp one and stopped

[little pagoda]

Yeah I did that a month or so ago I think, but maybe I should start unlocking more now

[crisp silo]

When your caldurons are maxed

Like the cost,speed,luck,smth else

[dapper prism]

Not much point in maxing cauldron boosts really, although Me and from what i see other people do that too.

Either way get liquid cauldrons up (regen rate on them) first. that way while doing the other cc's for maxing brew cauldrons you get more water along the line

[icy jewel]

what is max level for the 2x/ luck/ speed?

the other tab says and maxed for me

[little pagoda]

So basically boost liquid cauldrons to max liquids in 1 cc?

[reef bough]

Did anyone have 2 vman?
So the stat skill can stack how about the other skill?

[crisp silo]

I see i am playing the game inefficently

[crisp silo]

2 vman kinda wonky

[reef bough]

Yeah you right

[dapper prism]

To to max it, but just efficiency wise. It's better to get liquids first. so you're not down on lik 10/h but rather 20/h kinda thing for while you do those cc's after to max brew

[dapper prism]

Nothing stacks

[reef bough]

Anyways my question

[little pagoda]

Honestly at this point my liquids are more to buy liquid shop stuff since all my bubbles are getting a bit expensive for my prints lol

[reef bough]

Oh yeah i see i think the stat only give +1 my bad

[little pagoda]

Probably should focus on the easier bubbles though, use ES to get lots of gmush caps and max those multipliers, idk

[crisp silo]

I see its time for me to bubo and fix my mistake of not maxing liquid caldurons

[little pagoda]

Well not max but get them up lol

[reef bough]

Atom?

[dapper prism]

dont think they have a max

[little pagoda]

Not yet, my prints probably are bad for atoms still

[crisp silo]

It says 100 and 80 on wiki

[dapper prism]

it doesnt have a max.

[crisp silo]

Bruh

Goofy ahh wiki

[opaque sun]

who made that chart (or when was it made)

[dapper prism]

Or the max is way higher than that, if there is

[clear quartz]

isnt that for the pay to win tab, not the cauldrons itself

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/mdIssw8.png

[crisp silo]

Wait im dumb

[zealous niche]

170

Wait no, no max for them

[crisp silo]

Me no read

[opaque sun]

Like 4 color goes to 170 on all. No max on liquid

[dapper prism]

Either way, getting these up a bit first, even if its only like 30/50ish or 50/75 first, will help a bunch:
https://i.imgur.com/fFoktK9.png

22.8/h base water, thats with the lab node on

[little pagoda]

Maxing p2w tab is easily done when you reach w5, but the liquid cauldron upgrades are a different story, probably weeks of active bubo to get it significantly high

[clear quartz]

i should do those i suppose

[opaque sun]

Once you finish 170 on color cauldrons, everyone goes to sigil

[crisp silo]

Thats what im doing, but i kinda see the worth in more liquid

For active bubo of course

If no bubo sigils

[opaque sun]

liquid doesnt need to be manned unless you can afford to decant very frequently

[crisp silo]

My rates are below 10 for the other 2 caldurons💀
W/ node

[clear quartz]

hmmm maybe i should go back to color

[opaque sun]

Like a liquid manned gets filled in 10 min while being not manned filled in 20 min

[dapper prism]

Eh, if node is off and you're super active,

Either way, i'd always recommend just lvling them manned briefly..

[opaque sun]

If you are decanting every 1-2 hrs, people manned in liquid kind of a waste

[crisp silo]

Ok

[dapper prism]

Like, not having your people on sigils for a day while you start off with the liquid cauldron regen levels, won't hurt your sigils much at all, but will give you long term benefit

Not saying you leave then manned over night and stuff

[clear quartz]

so color cauldrons have a max on the brew tab?

[opaque sun]

every missed day of sigil is prolonging one day to get that bonus

[dapper prism]

Finished unlocking bubbles -> Man liquid cauldrons -> do active CC and level them a bunch -> then do whatever

[crisp silo]

Hmmm with my maxed out sigil speed that time spent manning will be even less worth.... mmmmmm

[opaque sun]

number of liquid decant clicks are more limited to your frequency to check back your PC than regen rate

[dapper prism]

You're only manning them briefly at the start while ACTIVE bubo and if you're able to actually be active (not just game open and afk) but actually able to dump the water frequently

[crisp silo]

Welp, back to sigils

[clear quartz]

im guessing the color to 170 is in regards to the cost thing since everything else i cant imagine has value, at least until more bubbles get added yeah?

[little pagoda]

Is it a bad idea to do bubo at staches for cc just so I can get a few more obols?

[dapper prism]

You can pre-unlock bubbles, they just invisible for now.

[crisp silo]

2x bubble lvls kinda sick man idk bout u

[little pagoda]

I've been doing at flombeige or whatever but no interesting drops there

[dapper prism]

That 2x is for that upgrade page

[opaque sun]

“2x extra” is not larry

[crisp silo]

Man

I still cant read

[clear quartz]

i wasnt sure how the 2x thing worked on the cauldron itself, thought it was chance for the upgrades to double level not the bubbles themselves

[opaque sun]

Once 170, 2x extra does absolute nothing

[clear quartz]

and larry was the 2x for bubble

[dapper prism]

So you active Bubo, level up speed and 2x Extra for a bit, to maximize your rate of brew and then you level luck and cost. Then you touch your bubbles.

[opaque sun]

Speed and luck also does virtually nothing once you got the bubbles

[zealous niche]

I went speed and 2x for those first since they affected how fast you could level the other boosts

[clear quartz]

well maybe ill go back and pump up the cost thing at least,a nd either pre-unlock bubbles or just hoard a bit of colors before going back to sigil

[zealous niche]

Speed helps you level boost too

[clear quartz]

when i go back to active bubo. hopefully soon, i just need a better map unlocked

[opaque sun]

Those three helps you on the way to level the cauldron bonuses, but does nearly nothing once maxed

It very good to reach there

[dapper prism]

Think people just like having things maxed, at least i do 🤷

[fallen torrent]

yeh! 26306 score in ping pong 🙂

[dapper prism]

and if it barely takes any time to do, then why not

Just do it somewhat efficiently.

[fallen torrent]

the lil spike lag made me lose but at least i got the achievement

[clear quartz]

i need to git gud and get the cheeve at some point

[opaque sun]

One day, import level of poing add a score multiplier or something

[paper sail]

[serene solstice]

gg

[paper sail]

I guess I just full send it on the final island, then go back and clean up the others

[fast verge]

very cool

[fast verge]

over right bubo strikes again

[paper sail]

I'm not sure what's going on, but if you're happy, I'm happy for you

[fast verge]

oh i just left active bubo on oj map over night for around 25 cooking procs

and unlocked all my bubbles without the ablity to upgrade them

[heavy moth]

should i wait for new statue thing to deliver those

[modest pawn]

i dont think so

I feel like it'd be like golden statues?

or something like now x statue gives x2 the bonus

[fast verge]

question
how to up my sb's damage

[rotund smelt]

At what point should I start saving for snail?

[heavy moth]

quick slap

[fast verge]

its damage is just like
half of my other characters

[hexed terrace]

So if I leave crystal island without killing the crystals they all just disappear? No chance to get them back?

I didn't have my damage stuff on so I went to town to spec back into damage... no crystals for me after a week RIP

[open chasm]

yeah that happened to me too. big bummer

[fast verge]

wait like is quick slap actully the answer

[heavy moth]

short term maybe not long term yes

had 2 T like 1 week ago and spammed quick slap with atom

[dapper bridge]

Dude same here😭

[opaque sun]

After you done getting other hard cap bubbles to 80-90% of its effectivity, then its time to sink atom into slap or bob

We talking few thousand levels to see differences. Like just adding 10-20 in slap isnt doing anything noticiable

[still apex]

Are higher tier artifacts rarer than earlier ones or is the only thing that makes it harder distance?

I understand tier was bad wording, artifacts from further islands

[plush spear]

Yes

[pure ember]

Just for perspective.... people say that 790 gems is worth getting the last artifact to ancient rarity....

[granite grove]

base dmg bubble scales quadratically

and unlike MP and HP bubble ones, MS doesnt get gutted by log scaling so it goes really hard

its basically (MS-110)/25 * base dmg formula

meanwhile HP and MP suffers from log scaling, not to mention MS can be easily boosted with speed potions and boost food effect

[fallen torrent]

log scaling? im not sure. haha

i mean what you mean by that

like wood skilling? xD

[granite grove]

bubble formula is quadratic, but the multiplier with stat is log for HP MP one

log = logarithmic

[fallen torrent]

ohh

[granite grove]

default logarithmic is considered as log_10(formula) unless stated otherwise

[fleet portal]

Just got to w5. Got king doot. Do i still need to park everyone in div?

[opaque sun]

need div level 2+ on an active character, or else doot disables for everyone

[noble mesa]

U want to for skill mastery to

[fleet portal]

Would you recommend i aim for a certain lvl before taking them out or a certain god unlock?

[noble mesa]

U can go till goat i can say

Or lvl 25-30 on all char

[fleet portal]

Already over this timeblock, thankfully

[opaque sun]

For arctis, the talent pts minor link bonus has some break points (30, 60, 90 etc) but with sheepie, its not worth to bother too much i guess

[noble mesa]

And u have to link 1 to the tiger

For the miner bonus

[fleet portal]

Not sure if i want to prioritize div/lab, pushing w5 or going back and catch un early world stuff

[noble mesa]

U can go full div for copel of days and stop at any time u want

[granite grove]

imo just get div lv2 for now, do div/lab later once you got enough multipliers stacked up

[sacred arrow]

Whats the last automation you get with the arm at lvl 5?

[granite grove]

20 books for a maxed book

[lavish grotto]

Is there something in progression that makes divinity faster or is intended to spend days meditating before level 5?

[fallen torrent]

so link are useless once getting doot? or can we double the effecty by linking?

[crisp silo]

Link only works for cat

Others are just for aesthtics

[fallen torrent]

okay

[worldly bane]

is it worth trying to push for the 5th evolution on gaming plants once you get them for the bit bonus or just let it happen naturally?

got a number of t4 plants but they haven't upgraded in awhile and feels like i might be losing gains

[opaque sun]

There will be a downtime when you start doing snails, so until then dont really aim for 5+ evol

[zinc torrent]

How do you get to snail? The jump from pong to snail seems too far

[worldly bane]

lmao talking about snail was all I needed for that decision. think i just unlocked rock lol

[modern plaza]

resampled, 6x across the board lets gooo

[stiff kayak]

what do i get

[nova heath]

Do I use dk or es for rift tears

[hot prawn]

I have trash and dairy island. Go for fishing island next?

[opaque sun]

dairy as in fairy (shimmer)? Then yes seasalt next

[lapis mesa]

im still working on this to, yeah its a huge jump

[hot prawn]

@_topbird#0 correct

[dapper prism]

es

[nova heath]

Thank you

[gritty sierra]

Thank you so much, I just unlocked a bunch of bubbles and they are very nice

[gaunt shale]

either u get nugget luck or its just gonna take quite some time

[dapper prism]

Isnt 5Q superbit in between?

Or was that after?

[thorn oriole]

The skill exp

[zealous niche]

A 12k nug and DK bit talent got me there

[somber hull]

Is this limited time gem hat with 5% all stats worth it?

[queen lava]

12k oml i have 4k

[opaque sun]

its a very niche hp/mp snapshot gear. And maybe a temporary boost for shimmer trials

Considering blue gems are farmable, its okay to have one. But not much reason to have second

[empty ridge]

Are there more cards for that circled spot or is that some type of error?

[dapper prism]

Late game, the 5% does add up nicely, especially with those last w5 bubbles. But depends on your gems and your other unlocks. It'll surely be helpful for some things, there can be better things like the mob respawn rings from last rotation. Especially since DMG wears off over time and becomes kinda irrelevant compared to other things. Something like the AFK gain santa hat may be more beneficial overall

[dapper prism]

5* cards unlocked through rift

[empty ridge]

Ahhh okay

[dapper prism]

13 away from next unlock, 13 cards to go for 5*

Although i won't bother until i get forge to 5*

[empty ridge]

Wow I didn’t put 2 and 2 together 😂

[obsidian nacelle]

somethings off here...

[gritty sierra]

Hmmm petting the rift bubble is wrong on the wiki

[dapper prism]

idk why but until now i always though of it as shiny from trapping for some reason xD

[vagrant mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[dapper prism]

Maybe ingame wording is wrong and its both? 😄 or yes the wiki didnt specify just shiny

[gritty sierra]

God that's another thing I neglected... shiny pets

[dapper prism]

Also, tyvm for the reminder 👀
https://i.imgur.com/wSaH2Ep.png

time to switch em

[fast grail]

Im scared to look at my shinies, havent changed em out in a couple months

[gritty sierra]

How much divinity xp are yall getting... im only getting like 27 on my voidwalker

[dapper prism]

That's normal at the start, later on you get more

Unlock stuff that gives div xp buffs

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=div

[gritty sierra]

How much are you getting?

[dapper prism]

Depends on stance

But can get like 1k+

maybe 1.5k

Here
https://i.imgur.com/IRsGbas.png
https://i.imgur.com/ncdN2w4.png

[viral snow]

Shouldnt it be like 10k on vitalic ?

[dapper prism]

No

Stance includes multi into exp multi

[viral snow]

Oke i thought that was base multi

[dapper prism]

Nawh, if i changed to 1x xp/h stance, then it would be a 15x lower xp multi

[gritty sierra]

God damnit

Lol

Add it to the list of stuff I gotta do

[somber hull]

Yeah but i kinda have bought most of the gem shop, so like maybe more sailing or gaming spaces but other than that i have everything

[slate brook]

I just bought the anvil tab 5 unlock but its not showing in the anvil. Any ideas what to do?

[dapper prism]

bought? you mean crafted it?

[slate brook]

yeah

[dapper prism]

have you reloaded the map?

or the game

[slate brook]

yeah

and tried changing chars

[somber hull]

How do you get that much divinity per hour on 1 charackter?

[dapper prism]

Use the above link.. get div xp stuff

I was bored, not sure ill ever need this anymore nowdays really, but meh whatever xD
https://i.imgur.com/sLyQ5br.png

[gusty grail]

can we get coloured bits in gaming?

[dapper prism]

First part of wiki explains it, from white to green to red (to purple to blue. These two are unreachable for now)

So, white bits, K, M, T, Q then Green bits, K, M, T, Q then red etc..

[gusty grail]

oh okay thanks, is it worth holding on to plants to try evolve them more with a cactus or should i just get the bits and upgrade?

[dapper prism]

Bit situational, but typically try and loot them, at least never be on "full with plants".
You want to claim a lot of plants frequently for DNA mutation to research the better mutations asap

[distant steeple]

what si the max level for this game?

[dapper prism]

None, it just goes exponentially more xp

[distant steeple]

wtf

are there ways to see who got highest elve?

[dapper prism]

With current xp rates, it gets very hard to go above around 500-550ish

[dapper prism]

Not anymore

[distant steeple]

rip,want to see some top dog

[fast grail]

i know zelb had a 550 bubo, but there are people with much higher GT

Edicius had the highest GT that i know of at over 30k, but not sure if they play anymore.

[keen jewel]

542 bubo, 7435 GT here

[fast verge]

gt for game time?

[keen jewel]

Grind Time bubble

[fast verge]

ahh

[barren otter]

uh @dapper prism

didnt even notice i got a new nug

[dapper prism]

Is that for real? 👀

[barren otter]

id hope so

or id be real sad

lmfao

[dapper prism]

What's your superbits looking like? 😄

[barren otter]

not that great

[dapper prism]

Btw, setup your damn imports better!

[barren otter]

LOL

is this better?

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/ZaorWlf.png

It force spawns everything closer, so your cacti becomes more effective 😄

[barren otter]

oh hmm

never even considered that

[dapper prism]

except snail, stuff can still spawn on it

and squirrel just does whatever the f it pleases

[barren otter]

i honestly hate that snail just wanders whereever the fuck it wants to

[opaque sun]

squnail

[barren otter]

oh

yea that damn squnail

i just woke up from a nap i shouldnt have taken

[dapper prism]

anyone remember cost (nullo salt) for full magma?

[abstract spear]

damn, losing a 50 50 on early divinity is such a pain

[barren otter]

9.15k

[dapper prism]

Your fault for doing a 50-50.
Roll left side, the 1, 5, 10's until right turns to 100%

[dapper prism]

Damn more pricey than i recalled

[barren otter]

yea i still have it tracked on toolbox

[abstract spear]

I think I rolled it with a total of more than 100% without getting 100% on the high side, so I just gambled for 50% LMAO

well I'm getting divinity level, so I think I'm bingchilling

[late zephyr]

hey guys, those somebody now why i only get 15 chest from sailing? it doesn't matter if i sailed for only 2-4 hours or 10-12 hours i end up always with 15 chest in the loot pile even tho i got space for 17 chest

[dapper prism]

Check IE for your loot pile, you sure its 17 and not 16?

SB talent 11 removes 1 slot. either way, bad to use if you want chests. Only use this talent if you check sailing like once a day

[late zephyr]

oh true i only have 16 loot piles

[zinc torrent]

Does leveling shockwave Dk skill effect Knightly disciplines shockwaves aswell?

[late zephyr]

thanks mate

[dapper prism]

I forgot what it was, but i believe it is that the statue's dmg is actually based of shockwave talent, like if you have 0 pts in shockwave, statue does no dmg with it or something?

[zinc torrent]

Alright then maxxing them both is worth it after the dmg/strength skills.

[dapper prism]

Not necessarily max statue, could be a waste of talent pts.

If you dont have vman eclipse 225 talent (for +20s statue which would change the breakpoints)
You'd want to keep your statue at talents breakpoints: 252, 223, 194, 165, 136, 107, 79, 50,
Like if you had 50 talents, vs 78, your statue would do the same much as it won't get to the next timer until it hits the next shot, hence wasting points

[barren otter]

@dapper prism okay fixed it

[dapper prism]

Messed it up

Pffff

[barren otter]

?????

[dapper prism]

Told you, snail doesnt work, so you'd keep it along the edge kinda thing

[barren otter]

oh right

[dapper prism]

just switch it with poing

[barren otter]

the damn squnail

[dapper prism]

Anyone know if the max cap here on IE is based on current inventory space or total inventory space?
https://i.imgur.com/OMrV2zF.png

[barren otter]

if you mean does it take into account all possible cap space bonuses? no

[viral snow]

It calculates its max cap based on a completely free inventory

[dapper prism]

Rip

[viral snow]

So your actual max is lower if you keep stuff in your inventory

[barren otter]

oh thats what you meant

yea that

[dapper prism]

Keeping stuff in my inventory, never!
https://i.imgur.com/aTc5Hux.png

[barren otter]

why do you have goldric quest items...

[dapper prism]

Gotta greenstack it some day

[viral snow]

Gotta keep those triple helmets

[barren otter]

[dapper prism]

At least vman looks better than SB2

https://i.imgur.com/o7q74ov.png

[barren otter]

open the coolers...

[viral snow]

6 cowboy hats 💀

[dapper prism]

Oh my plan was to put them onto my alts with the hatifier thing

but then i got a sht ton of bunny hats..

https://i.imgur.com/vp6bEdn.png

And since im.. trickzbunny, i gotta use those now i believe xD

[viral snow]

Why you keeping the golden statue thing 😂

[dapper prism]

I liked buying random junk (everything from every store for a while) like that, just incase thing for new quests xD

[viral snow]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[dapper prism]

quit touching stores a while back except for w5 stones and the minibosses

I'm actually organizing all my chars + storage atm, 1 by 1. setting everything up

That's why it's so weirdly messy xD

got 2 pages of keychains in storage...

[viral snow]

[dapper prism]

#💖future-content-blog message

New update sometime soon, ill be laughing with my gold chisels while you suffer!

[viral snow]

I could see them beeing useful yeh

But I am not a fan of timegating stuff through shop rotation tho

[dapper prism]

Oh 100% agree there

[viral snow]

But chip rotation is much worse

So that keeps me sane when thinking about it

[dapper prism]

chip system is done so damn badly

[viral snow]

Atleast have it daily rotate
And some more chips

Still more than 4 months for choco

[dapper prism]

the fact some can be this far apart

and then u see the same jewel in the store like b2b

[modern plaza]

yeah i have deleted all those lol

beta has been out for 10hr

[dapper prism]

He made an #💖future-content-blog

[modern plaza]

yessss that’s actually why i checked lol

[dapper prism]

Ah, it was funny earlier today because Camp saw the Beta already after 8mins xD
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[zinc torrent]

That's actually really informative and helpful, thankyou.

I do have a question alot of people ask but I'm thinking long term, i have 2 of every class and 1 of every elite atm, currently at the point i can create the extra classes so I've made an extra bubo for alc/lab.. what's the next most helpful character to create?

[dapper prism]

!classes

[obtuse orbit]

One of each subclass for the six first characters, JourneyMan can be slot 7, 8 or 9. For three others characters you can do Wizard / Bowman / Barbarian / Squire.

Finals Objectives :

• 3 Warriors - 3 Archers - 3 Mages - 1 Secret Class (balanced)

⚠️⬇️Warning ⬇️⚠️

• NEVER do 3 of the same elite class, or you'll be unable to have all classes

[dapper prism]

or use the doc guide:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml#

2x DK, ES, SB

extra bubo was a terrible choice. 0 purpose for it

[zinc torrent]

I was looking at another dk for construction ^^

Why two ES over two Bubo?

[dapper prism]

2x Bubo does nothing, at all for you.. and is a complete waste.
2x ES => 2x gods, and also w5 talents that are beneficial

[zinc torrent]

I can change the class to es.

Hmm is that including when doot is in use?

[dapper prism]

any time you have a doot you should mention doot. But even then. having these talents on your 2nd ES/DK/SB at all times on spec 1+2 kinda thing will make you not worry about stuff on your mains ever:
https://i.imgur.com/D4FgAgM.png

[wary girder]

any1 have an idea of the next announced update is? not world 6 is it

[zinc torrent]

I don't have him atm sorry, 😒 112/200 for pitty roll

[dapper prism]

Either way, at least ES has the benefit of:

• Better MK, better gmush/mob farmer
• Talent for Dmg/wormhole kill that can be active 24/7

Bubo has.. Nothing really, like at all?
Mainly because bubo's only benefit is as an active, for CC, and even then you don't need 2. As once you have 200 tente its a 50-50 up/down time on cc vs cooldown on it

[dapper prism]

Pretty clearly onyx statues based on #💖future-content-blog
Maybe some quests or UI changes?

[wary girder]

seems like ui changes too going off previous

[granite grove]

2nd bubo is useful to boost lab level until you got all lab lv75

then yeah, bubo is useless

good short term, useless long term

[zinc torrent]

I was using Bubo to speed up alc but long term once matter converter is leveled they'll become redundant, So I'll change them to ES for the farming/skill benefits.

[dapper prism]

Huh, doesnt stack with 1st bubo talent though afaik?

Oh you meant the xp share, sorry thought about xp buff

[granite grove]

not sure but not necessarily about that, i mean one bubo can do active grind while other stays in lab with exp share, then becomes useless after lv75

[dapper prism]

Yeh, so thats a very quick uselessness, either way a 2nd bubo should never be the pick. Guess if one did pick it, may as well make the most out of it and use it as a lab lvl char like that briefly before changing to es

[zinc torrent]

That's what they're atm 😅 purely living in the lab to never exit.. their name will be weird but they'll be promoted to a ES

[dapper prism]

Names.. all my names were based on the classes purpose, until i realized thats not how the game works

[granite grove]

until lava put up elite swap tokens on w6 update or sth

[steady beacon]

I've finally unlocked the paint bucket! Any tips on how to optimize shiny pet breeding? Do I start by getting a bunch of gmush for faster leveling, then focus on infinite star signs?

[granite grove]

also if lava can make name changes for this reason

[dapper prism]

100% get faster shiny speed stuff to lvl 5 first

Then people seem to often do infinite starsigns and/or meal effect, refine speed, etc.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849473649832755231/1098354384628355182/ShinyPetEffect.png

[zinc torrent]

Sorry that'll stir up everyone

[steady beacon]

This is perfect, thanks! So gmush, wode, and quenchies first. (Don't have the weird mashed potato candle one)

[granite grove]

lava prob wont want to go through apple verification again, just blue or green (if he is that crazy) gems will suffice

having simple names like "name #" or sth would be ideal

[dapper prism]

Yup, also IT has a perfect display for it. It's even better to always do x amount of pets, at the same time. Using multiple shiny speeds it up.
So like, using 3x different pets with 9 of each, so that you can change and switch them at the same time kinda thing.

[dapper prism]

Initially my classes were based on purpose "oh ill grind on this, oh this will be my skiller and combat, so mixed, this purely combat" xD

Then i started naming them based on class and or max skill benefit (divine for divinity etc.
https://i.imgur.com/Glk60pe.png

https://i.imgur.com/6N3RVRV.png

But yeh.. regretful names along the way xD except for 9th and 10th

[granite grove]

and then end up with having inconsistent naming scheme

[dapper prism]

I honestly expected there to be a name change method ingame (even for gems) it's so basic and most games have something like that.

[zinc torrent]

I just named mine off of elite classes

[granite grove]

like plz lava we want renames, and maybe also reposition character selection screen (even if just visually without affecting X slot kill tasks)

[dapper prism]

Reposition would be what i realllly want

[zinc torrent]

😭🥹 organization would be a dream come true

[dapper prism]

That would even be very easy to implement too :/

[granite grove]

the issue is when will lava do it, if at all

[zinc torrent]

🤔
Actually if it boosted play count and also caught the attention of spenders then highly likely, but does Lava know how to code it is the question.

[twilit goblet]

saved up 2 days thinking the MSA gaming bit is 5T

guess i spend them on whatever else now

[dapper prism]

Drag and drop UI even if just visual on that first main page is actually very easy to do.. barely an hour of dev time. Maybe 1-2 days with proper testing

[dapper prism]

Damn that's rough. But yeh the MSA big bits will be amazing to have. Just continue to toss stuff into plant value and whatever

[granite grove]

kinda surprised that lava doesnt even consider basic thing like rename or reorganize

[dapper prism]

He even already has the damn basics from the bag system.. storage system, etc

[twilit goblet]

i thought so too, the MSA big bits was going to my next big break

update soonnn

just statues only yea?

[dapper prism]

Even if it was something like 200 gems for a rename.

[dapper prism]

Maybe UI?

[lyric sequoia]

He doesn’t know how to code, you think he knows DBA?

[zinc torrent]

Hopefully lava sees this as he lurks 😅 (positive ofc)

[granite grove]

yeah giving him bit too much credit, lol

but like he should eventually figure how it works and then implement it

[lyric sequoia]

Then again, that does make the assumption that there’s any level of relational databases behind the scenes, which is probably too hopeful an ask

[granite grove]

just the the issue is... how did he do those naming thing

name as unique id, or if there are separate player id, or.. character id for some reason

[dapper prism]

There must be some basics done that are clean on the DB, like having gaps in the numbering so that new supplies can easily be placed back to back in auto storage etc. So at least there's some organization from the looks?

[lyric sequoia]

Storage is in the save file, not in a database

[dapper prism]

Oh wow

oh right, that's why there was so many issues with the leaderboards xD

[granite grove]

odds are, database is just a snapshot of names created when a character is created

but doesnt actually link from one to another

[lyric sequoia]

The vast majority of your account state is in the save file, that’s why it’s so generally easy (and equally usually obvious) to alter accounts

That all predates steam and google login stuff, since it was originall a browser game and that is how you do idle game saves in the browser (or at least that is how it is handled usually as it is the easiest way to do it)

[steady beacon]

Not sure I understand this comment! So better to 3 gmush and 3 wode leveling at the same time, than starting with 6 gmush and then doing 6 wode after?

[granite grove]

i still wonder how lava check those accounts in sailing rolling back incident when files are per record/save basis instead of DB

[lyric sequoia]

Not many browser games will go to any effort of setting up a functional backend API to handle account updates

[dapper prism]

Yes.
You can do them 1 by 1, but keep in mind each level up will take exponentially longer. yet give the same benefit. So yes,
If you have 2 pets and lets say 4 slots for easy-math and your goal is lvl 5. Doing 2x2 to lvl 5 is better than 1x4 then the other 1x4.

You could go to the extremes and min max technically. where the best would probably be, 1x4 to lvl 2, then 1x4 to lvl 2 on the other pet, then the next lvl etc.. and bounce like that, but that'd be pretty brutal min max

[dreamy spruce]

wouldnt it be fastest to full level gmush one level then wode then gmush and keep swapping like that?

[lyric sequoia]

That’s what cloud saving is. The saves are stored in a firebase store and synced to the client, but handling update of the save is done on the client

[dreamy spruce]

though it would be annoying at the very least

[dapper prism]

Yeh added that to the bottom of my stuff

[dreamy spruce]

ah, didnt see

[lyric sequoia]

He has all the saves, so not hard to process through them, decode the hash and say “if gold > x, apply these specific uniform changes to the save”

[granite grove]

oh right, yeah i guess wont be too hard of a thing

[steady beacon]

Got it, thanks!

It's super easy to get shiny gmushes, but I'll need more luck to breed shiny wodes and wuenchies. So I guess I'll start with lots of gmush, and replace as I can!

[wanton obsidian]

I hate the fact that I'm so tempted to spend money just to have a shot of getting slug and doot

It's like a trap

Haizzz

And the chances being is that I probably won't even get it

It's like spending money on a lottery for a slight chance of getting rich

[dapper prism]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-do-it-daniel-craig-heidi-gardner-saturday-night-live-lets-go-gif-16611656

[wanton obsidian]

You're a bad influence to me 😭😭

Don't tempt me!!

[dapper prism]

https://tenor.com/view/not-a-gamble-if-you-win-not-a-gamble-patrick-j-adams-mike-ross-suits-gif-11835819

https://tenor.com/view/oh-popcorn-eating-gif-18107571

Waiting for the rant that you didn't get anything after X rolls/dollars

[wanton obsidian]

Hahahaa

Nahh I'm not like that

The fact that if I spend $200+ and I don't get it, I fully know before I start that it's not guaranteed

[dapper prism]

Well, at least now it does have a breakpoint of being guaranteed

[wanton obsidian]

I just don't like how this kinda thing tempts me, and this is just the first pet rotation imagine the next

[dapper prism]

Just that it's a bit high xD

[wanton obsidian]

A bit is an understatement 😄

If every pet rotation is like this

It feels like you're just forever trapped in spending money

I'm either spending my money right now or I'll quit to save myself the hassle of no return

Not sure which I'll choose

[barren otter]

im so incredibly sad

[wanton obsidian]

I was new when all this "doot op" and "lets boycott lava" happen and I thought that it wasn't much of a big deal, but now that I'm more progressed into the game I understand why everyone got upset

Small rant ofc I don't wanna start another debate rn

[jagged relic]

Another week, still no doot 🤩

[granite grove]

even if doot is free, it just breaks the balance and strategy regarding divinity

[dapper prism]

Doot is so damn OP, i cant even imagine what would reach doot-like tier tbh

[wanton obsidian]

Thus why doot shouldn't even have existed

[jagged relic]

Maybe something with chips? Allow all chips to be active but that's not even close to doot

[dapper prism]

Honestly, both lab and divinity are BS either way, trapping half your characters. The design of divinity itself is also terrible "welcome to w5, AFK here for over a week with 9/10 of your chars"

Doot was a good addition, just not behind such a high paywall.

[jagged relic]

Every single card is passive maybe?

[dapper prism]

Now that would be nice xD

[wanton obsidian]

Same for the ram and sheepie tbh it ruined the entire aspect of being smart with how you equip your big bubbles

[granite grove]

next doot-like pet could be removing multi-drop cap on resource bubble, effectively allowing limitless sample growth

[wanton obsidian]

Damn 💀

[jagged relic]

I mean it kinda makes sense? You get to higher worlds, so it makes older worlds stuff less tedious

[dapper prism]

Would that really be doot grade though or more like slugma grade pet?

[granite grove]

imo sheep could be like free exp&gift bubble, rams +2 inv slot, if going for pet as both cosmetic and not too broken buff

oh yeah ig more like rift slug than doot

[wanton obsidian]

But yeah that's my opinion, might just take a break from the game, I didn't expect to get so hooked to the point where I'm actually calculating how much money I'll need to spend for doot. I even started setting aside hundreds of dollars from my savings just for it

Like hell nah, sounds like a really bad financial decision

[jagged relic]

But doot doesn't make sense, it made the newest worlds system completely obsolete

[dapper prism]

Think the issue is/was with every world, doing certain small things became so damn active/tedious to change things, you need to change and remember lik 15 different things to do a sample

[jagged relic]

I just want doot for the labs...I want to be able to use all my characters to farm...

[dapper prism]

The main issue is how companions are obtained and were added imo

[granite grove]

good idea, bad execution, but $$$

[wanton obsidian]

If he made green gems farmable then it would have been nice

[untold leaf]

Yeah, you could easily spend more than an hour sampling. That was tedious for an idle game

[jagged relic]

100% like give us the ability to grind our asses off. Get every skill to 150 or something stupid sure! But some people just won't get it which is a joke

[dapper prism]

Or even just have (dont like it but would work) a battle pass type system.
~100 days for f2p but p2p can buy tier skips kinda thing.

[granite grove]

if its grindable, some ppl would just pay either way so lava gets $ and players are still happy (for the most part)

[wanton obsidian]

Tbh yea

[dapper prism]

Slugma at 75 days, doot at 100. etc. many people would still skip the pass to get doot 3 months sooner, like chips

[wanton obsidian]

Exactly

[untold leaf]

Or five blue gems for one green gem

[granite grove]

ppl short on time will $, ppl short on money will grind (provided the grind is reasonable enough)

[dapper prism]

Issue was, if green gems are grindable then they are manipulatable

which was the purpose of green gems

[granite grove]

yeah true thay too

[dapper prism]

I agree it would be nice to have green gems from kruk, but still. i get his purpose about gems and abuse

[jagged relic]

I'm so tempted to spend money on doot, I already have but not much. Got infinite sheepies and all my weekly ones are garbage so I'm not spending any more

[wanton obsidian]

If for example I spent $200 for doot and actually got it, I don't want to be spending $200 everytime new pet rotation comes out, this is what I'm scared of

[dapper prism]

Hence adding a different system could maybe work, as it's time gated with skips?

[jagged relic]

Sadly he won't change it, this limited time thing is guaranteed money for him and in a major way

[granite grove]

if lava could just move existing gem shop into server side, but then also have to adjust various gem source in game or sth ig

[dapper prism]

There was one speculation based on an image that went around that showed previous companions would be included in new rotations, and new pets would have lower odds kinda thing, But that'd also get messed up with multiple rotations

[untold leaf]

And maybe permalocking some players from getting all the pets

[wanton obsidian]

How would that solve anything?

[granite grove]

more practical to just do different pool/banner, or rotation is one banner/pool at a tine

[jagged relic]

Pets should be upgradable. So they aren't complete from the get go. The more you get the same one, the more powerful they become

[untold leaf]

No, meant that it would be a consequence of whatTrickzbunmy said

[granite grove]

but then ppl would go stack up pets and could be broken again

[dapper prism]

2x doot = All omni procs are now 2x the time

[granite grove]

and run out of void bars twice as fast

[dapper prism]

lol, dont overlevel nullo!

[jagged relic]

I meant like they don't start out as strong as they are now. You just have to work your way to it. And what they are now is the max level but yeah maybe that's not the best idea

[granite grove]

prob still cant keep up with 10 20% doubled refinery procs

[dapper prism]

Ehh, thats just changing the whole pet system without giving any beneficial change to obtaining them etc.

[wanton obsidian]

I think I'll just take a break from the game for now, I'll come back when things get better. I truly believe in the game it's just so unique nothing I've ever played before

[granite grove]

avg 96hr refinery time per 24hr with doubled doot

[jagged relic]

Yeah good point. More so if that was the way it was implemented first, not changing the current system

[jagged relic]

Make sure to take off the 10 hour prayer and put them farming something good

[dapper prism]

As much as i hate battle passes. It would have been the easiest addition to have something like that. F2p happy, P2p happy for getting it 3 months sooner.
Can pad it with extra benefits, make it a double reward line pass thing with extra things like cosmetics and all that crap, add a base cost to the 2nd row. just all the typical basics.

[wanton obsidian]

I'll probably just put everyone in lab with goat

[jagged relic]

You'll come back with 19 gazillion atoms, genius

[dapper prism]

Gmush kills, all lab may be pretty bad

[wanton obsidian]

I'll still come back from time to time tho

[jagged relic]

But you'll come back and there'll be a pet that auto unlocks every atom upgrade...

[wanton obsidian]

Just for the bubbles

[dapper prism]

Nawh but a pet like the last gaming unlock +x levels to max atom lvl would be nice

[wanton obsidian]

Sounds like the next slug/doot

[dapper prism]

Also, perma cost reduction on stamps is a possibility imo

[jagged relic]

Kind of? I don't really like the aspect of moving the goal posts. I like knowing when there's a limit on something and I don't have to think about it again

[dapper prism]

We need more daily atomable alch, unless you want to be stuck with hourly clicks for a year

[jagged relic]

Oh yeah very true, my current 40 is useless

There's SO much prayers to do it with its impossible to get anywhere

[dapper prism]

50 being max atm, technically 70? if gaming ever gets possible

[jagged relic]

Then you spend 20 levels to get a measly 1% of something...

Gaming is the worst thing ever! I'm stuck in the low billions of green. I got a gold nugget increase from 16k to 47k? Don't notice any more gains

[untold saffron]

https://i.gyazo.com/9e9793cc2a808e59576d6bc7dc9f1efb.png

I should probably do a round of stamp upgrading today🤔

[dapper prism]

You should? that's like 3x the bits?

[eternal dove]

I literally called this and I'm so beyond sad and disappointed

But hey new nugget right?🥹

[dapper prism]

Yuppp! compared to mine the other day
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034167878775222333/1142958201902469120/LegendsOfIdleon_14GCUQ6ZVv.png

The usual "right beneath the current nugget"

[eternal dove]

I literally said a few weeks ago that I'm dreading that when I finally get a new nugget it'll be like a +10 or so and look at me now

[dapper prism]

yeh thats rough

[eternal dove]

Out of the entire number range a nugget can be.... it had to be so close

[untold saffron]

It's probably weighted to be close

[eternal dove]

Honestly I probably would've rather not gotten a new nugget than to be like this

[dapper prism]

My nugget has been 10k to 13k to 15k to 17k, with some rolls beneath the current one, like the pic above :/

My range is 500k+

[eternal dove]

I had the same nugget for months. Like since 2 weeks after w5. And this is what I get

[untold saffron]

It'd be nice if the chance to increase your nugget went up like 0.01% per nugget you mine or something

[eternal dove]

If only.

[dapper prism]

Or additive and decrease the range kinda thing. or the effect

Whole W5 is just way RNG heavy

[eternal dove]

Need some kinda bad luck mitigation

And I been farming last island for a couple months for eldritch. But I'm not too fussed about that tho

[dapper prism]

Thing is, time isn't the same as actual activivity

Like, removing SB talent 11 and checking every 4-6hours

vs people checking barely once a day.

Spreading out 10-50k gold hampters between all chars, vs not even owning any

[untold saffron]

and then it all stops mattering once you get full eldritch

[dapper prism]

Yup, took me 115 days from reaching w5 to unlocking all artis (eld)

[eternal dove]

Yeah ik. I've got hampters on all characters and doot gives me omni. So I'm constantly doing chests.

[eternal dove]

But what about the farming power of 10 barsssssssss

[untold saffron]

that artifact is so

[dapper prism]

Dmg vs gold bars is a joke* xD

[eternal dove]

Ik. Just making a joke of it

[untold saffron]

in other news, its cooking time

https://i.gyazo.com/67606bc453153e5321eb5bb64cecc6d9.png

[eternal dove]

Pog

I haven't been revisited my kitchens since I got all plates lvl 30 minimum

[untold saffron]

with the collider and vman its addictive

[granite grove]

if gold bar dmg artifact is like 5% per log 10, maybe it could be okay enough

but 1% tho

[eternal dove]

Is it 1% at eldritch?

[dapper prism]

Also that it seems to be in a terrible additive total dmg way

[granite grove]

oh, yeah it still sucks, but would suck less slightly if its buffed

[dreamy spruce]

saw someone say they spend billions? of bars and their dmg went down by a few m while they had >1t

[granite grove]

wonder if lava makes all dmg multipler stackable even if it means nerfing to 1/100 of original value

[dapper prism]

me

[dreamy spruce]

ah

[dapper prism]

From 1 trillion dmg, barely 20m dmg loss type of thing if i recall right... Should have a gif somewhere but 2lazy2search and not sure what keywords

[stuck elbow]

has anyone even gotten a T7 plant yet? its fken atrocious

[dapper prism]

havnt unlocked it yet

Also, thats cause you only list 1 plant, usually base should be like 10ish

3min cycle with 10 plants ready is 15k

[stuck elbow]

oh sht youre a genius

i forgot about that haha

[dapper prism]

yup

[stuck elbow]

but lets assume i have like 10 T5 plants...

much more reasonable

too bad i cannot adjust the t4 here to be t5

[dapper prism]

Also idk if sheet is wrong or if it actually is t4 there instead of t5

[dreamy spruce]

how much time does t4 / t5 chem give?

[dapper prism]

Barely a week,

Don't go for T6 unless you have chem,
Also T5 will come naturally. Fine if u time it with a log maybe, but don't think it's that important early on and still easier with chem too.

8 days at a 10min cycle*

[stuck elbow]

i think ill go for t7 when i hit 1.2min rock on cycle

[dreamy spruce]

so you'd need a lot of chem rng for t7

[dapper prism]

Chems 😄
https://i.imgur.com/sVPLSwf.png

But even then, t7 are irrelevant, by the time you would unlock them, you dont really need any gaming anymore..

and the actual bottleneck becomes snail

[stuck elbow]

one day itll be relevant... huffs copium

[noble mesa]

Hi u all
Das choco chip work on crystal island?

[dapper prism]

by that time we would have new multipliers

[stuck elbow]

anyways i sleep. gn

[wanton ledge]

is there an easier way of getting the perfect trade deal achievement?

like a tracker telling me when its possible

[dapper prism]

Use IE or toolbox to see the schedule ahead of time, pick a few resources at least a few days out or even a week and try and do it. Just Math out how much you need

[wanton ledge]

ty

[dapper prism]

toolbox, not ie

[lyric sequoia]

When’s a good time to stop yoloing snail, got to 16 yesterday and the reset chance is getting awful big

[shrewd galleon]

Always yolo but amke sure you have the atom snail upgraded first imo

[untold saffron]

https://i.gyazo.com/eccebd2a29b1f900bfd844fb2105e994.png

another successful cooking session

[hollow wasp]

150h for vman

[tacit tulip]

time to super chow.... could be worse I guess

[solid epoch]

I hope the onyx statues aren't a rift bonus, I haven't superchowed because I'm tryin to get multikill on that 14T rift

That'd make me kinda forced to push to get that bonus first lol

[hollow wasp]

Is it worth using 150h candy to get vman?

[untold saffron]

yes