lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[gentle anchor]

ye i never grinded those cards bc i never knew how good crystal mobs were

[pure ember]

I'd all Stat better than base Stat at that point?

[gentle anchor]

ye i can get around 1OOk poops an hour

[dapper prism]

Yeh it's really amazing 😄
Especially once you get the proper cards and lvl them, and way better with choco chip. (either gamble gem shop or next rotation in december)
Happy it's working out.

Remember XP Potions!

[gentle anchor]

ye

[dapper prism]

May I ask what map/zone you're in btw?

[green eagle]

i've been trapped farming chem plants for over an hour

each time i almost get rid of them all 2 more spring up

[dapper prism]

wanna do mine while youre at it? xD

[pure ember]

Ngl I have just set my stuff for t6 farming.....

And even if I used Chem for big time gains..... I dont

[untold saffron]

what do i do with sailing now I've got all the artifacts eldritched

[dreamy spruce]

getting t6 takes forever tho without chem

[potent maple]

i STILL dont have chem 😦

[dreamy spruce]

Get treasures for bubbles? (Big P, Dmg bubbles)

[pure ember]

Got all but voraci

[dreamy spruce]

ah nice

[pure ember]

Get everyone's speed to 100m+

Currently have 19 voraci at t5.....

And have 3 min growth

[zealous niche]

Can you atom all bubbles with sailing mats? Need at least that before you put it down

[ebon bridge]

Is 101 Squishy souls wave respectable? Or can I push it pretty easy to something else?

[untold saffron]

big P, gamer, sailor and damages can. still can't atom divinity

any others i've missed?

[barren otter]

you perma send sailers to last island

to get the most minor of % gain from having gold bars

:)

[dapper prism]

I went through each of the lowest islands first, and made sure loot+speed got higher. For future content. all 100m is excessive/hard and won't really benefit much

PS: The gold bar dmg artifact does nearly 0

[dreamy spruce]

nearly 0 > 0

[barren otter]

[dapper prism]

Get like a trillion gold bars, and you barely get a few mil dmg of your trillions

[barren otter]

hey im getting 36.4% dmg from mask

thats HUGE

[dapper prism]

Think when i spent 500b gold bars, i only lost about 15m dmg (of over a tril dmg, not a bil dmg, but a tril.)

[dapper prism]

Gotta add /s or /jk or newbies will take that for serious xD

[dreamy spruce]

so like 0.001%. that is indeed very little

[dapper prism]

The lantern one is a bunch better

[signal osprey]

After all islands are done spam first island for Big P clicks

[barren otter]

oh you right lol

[dreamy spruce]

Is steak good because it just gives a lot of % or is it a separate multi for total% dmg?

[barren otter]

@signal osprey i did resample finally

[signal osprey]

Lot of %

[barren otter]

added 3 more hourly clicks after...

[dapper prism]

Didnt check my chests for a few days, fun times 😮
https://i.imgur.com/WtDSmd6.png

[barren otter]

did you ever get your 19k nug

[dapper prism]

steak pretty insane tbh

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah recently unlocked crystal island, hope I get steak soon

[ebon bridge]

I think it nearly 2x'd my damage every upgrade on it (regular, artifact, eldtritch)

[hoary oracle]

Hi everyone

[dreamy spruce]

damn

[dreamy spruce]

Hello

[fierce yarrow]

Wtf is god rank?!

[dapper prism]

Divinity after unlocking all gods

Is god ranks, requires roughly around 4x more points for each god rank

[royal zinc]

Is elederich fury a big game changer?

[pure ember]

Less so than ancient

But yes for sampling

[fathom trellis]

What does God Rank do?

[pure ember]

Give dmg and dov xp iirc

[slim rose]

Is there a atomizer chart? Like for priority

[dapper prism]

Dont think so, although #1084911530417606656 has the overall bubble chart.

Main thing to do is get Larry to 100% or imo better 110%+ asap

[pure ember]

Get it to 101

It rounds to 100

Have had around 4 +1s before I noticed

[ebon bridge]

Can I have some boat speed multipliers inspiration pls? https://i.imgur.com/UhKSg89.png

[slender spire]

I have on worh 69k

[dapper prism]

A bit off.

You neede Larry at level 501. 500 is 100% but rolls on +1s still. Having it at level 501 guarantees +2's 100% of the time. dont need larry at 101% as that would be like 530s.

[pure ember]

101%

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/EWXq1dT.png

[pure ember]

Herus I am still missing 6 eldritch artifacts

[viral snow]

https://i.imgur.com/l3nlPom.png
only took like 2 hours

[ebon bridge]

o.o thats unfathomable im looking at all sources of bonuse and I dont see areas in which Im leaving that much juice on the table... unless you have like lvl 60 popcorn?

[dapper prism]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-popcorn-eating-gif-18107571

What can I say.. I do love popcorn

[pure ember]

Probably maxed div bonuses

[dapper prism]

Popcorn lvl 48 btw
MSA 65%

Div gods
https://i.imgur.com/zAHSDtK.png

[pure ember]

And MSA

Atleast better than my 510.... which is 51%?

[tall horizon]

I'm sitting around 900x

[thorn marsh]

is lustre and diabolical armor even used by anyone for anything other than slab?

[dapper prism]

Still got room to improve based on my div gods

[rugged thistle]

should i got for fishing area or the afk area next?

[dapper prism]

Slab and now for shimmer island challenge i would assume

[pure ember]

Using it while waiting for mats for magma

[pure ember]

Fishing

[viral snow]

do crystal

[thorn marsh]

but chizo is supirior in any way, no?

[thorn marsh]

ah yeah, might be a def% one

[dapper prism]

Guide said Shimmer then Seasalt

Me and a few did that and all kinda regretted it 🤷
Seasalt will allow quest progress which should give more bottles a day. Whereas shimmer is time capped by a weekly. But felt very minimal in it's bonus.

[pure ember]

At this point..... it doesn't matter

[thorn marsh]

true true

[dapper prism]

Yeh, definetely get chizoars then once salts catch up troll into instant magma.

[pure ember]

Only time I minmax is for samples and doing boss fights underleveled

[dapper prism]

Most fresh w5's or pushers will be time gated behind salts for troll/magma

[thorn marsh]

just tryna gear the other 9 dudes that havent got magma :p

[dapper prism]

I did Chiz all

[thorn marsh]

gotcha, cheers

[dapper prism]

then salt caught up and did Magma all

[pure ember]

What salt time gate?

[thorn marsh]

you pushing on all salts or following the chart?

[dapper prism]

Chart, I mean initially you're time gated behind salt.

Unless you're one of those 2021-2022 people

[pure ember]

🙂

[thorn marsh]

yeah, but right now I've got everything on 10% until the former catches up

guess I could just 0% all and lvl them

whenever I get the mats

[dapper prism]

Never 10% red and green

Always let those rank up

[thorn marsh]

nono, got those 0%

[barren otter]

was just a joke mines not even that great either

[pure ember]

Putting 9 on elephant pushed salt gains through the roof ngl

[thorn marsh]

and I lvl the rest when red/green catches up to the chart

~ red to 16 then orange to 9 and blue to 5 etc.

[rugged thistle]

where is this chart at?

[thorn marsh]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849473649832755231/1130526958799814666/Screenshot_20230710_221334_Discord.jpg

[dapper prism]

W4 pins

[thorn marsh]

or there ^

[dapper prism]

Where is that screenshot from? what area

[green eagle]

please no, i'm still not done, the chem army keeps coming for me

[pure ember]

Lab

[green eagle]

@dapper prism IT DOESN'T END

[pure ember]

Want to know what scares me in lab?

[dapper prism]

Me a few days ago, i finally made it:
https://i.imgur.com/Dr0cpIb.png

[dapper prism]

Still dont know/recall what you're clickinjg in lab..

[pure ember]

That's DK damage talent

[green eagle]

why does that scare you? nvm i actually read up

[rustic garnet]

Your snail has 8!

[pure ember]

But idk how my ES is 20 lvls higher than both my bubos

[exotic juniper]

ive been trying forever to get crystal steak

cant get it 😦

[green eagle]

one day

[dapper prism]

That was 2 days ago
https://i.imgur.com/Onrn8lX.png

I like to save them a little, incase i fall down i can hopefully push my snail right back up

[pure ember]

^ smart

[tall horizon]

But if you win, you're losing on days of gains

[dapper prism]

More skill spec XP talents maxed?

[rustic garnet]

You can do it -- I just got The True Lantern Eldritch today

[pure ember]

It's ES......

[dapper prism]

It still counts

[pure ember]

And the bubos are in skilling presets

[stray echo]

Hey question on the alchemy liquid caps - howd this guy get his so high? I have the food cooking for cap % but my cauldrons are like lv 50 decant and 700 cap, the margin on the low cap sucks right now

[dapper prism]

CC on bubo, ezpz
Also either activate the node on Lab for CAP or be very active ingame and spend it as you get it

[rustic garnet]

Aramis, do you have your lab connected?

[pure ember]

Are you talking about the upgraded cap or the upper thousands part?

[sacred monolith]

Cranium cooking active with that one lab node activated probably

[stray echo]

oh no i am, im running active idle on bubo all day, im dumping into decant/grind time a LOT but my cap sucks ass

[stray echo]

upper thousands

[rustic garnet]

Do... you have the lab connected?

[stray echo]

im getting like...2 cap? on a decant level

yes

[glad crow]

did i just get "this guy'ed".... atleast make it so i dont get pinged if you wanna "this guy" me

[stray echo]

i have full lab

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/LKJN8uc.png

[rustic garnet]

that doesn't sound round

[stray echo]

bunch of gems

[pure ember]

Lab bonus

[rustic garnet]

700 doesn't sound right

My guess: You don't

[dapper prism]

That node should get you to the thousands basically instantly

[stray echo]

(I saw you were offline and this was hours ago lol my bad)

[rustic garnet]

throw up your IE

[boreal cosmos]

If I have things like the pet power bonus, gaming bonus etc leveled on my second talent setup do I have to switch to it every time I want to use it, or will I get those bonuses on my first talent setup still

[pure ember]

And probably dragonic cauldron

[fast grail]

Draconic cauldron also exists for even more cap

[stray echo]

oh son of a bitch

it was lab

[rustic garnet]

yep

so now it's 3500

and fine

not great, but not pathetic 😉

[stray echo]

i thought we were skipping that node and now it kinda makes sense to turn on at this point in the game

[dapper prism]

gotta switch, thats why for gaming/sailing/div you have 2nd DK/ES/SB on the skilling preset, with those skills maxed, in lab or on div and you never worry about it

[ebon bridge]

how do yall keep wiz ahead of vman in worship? The worship I'm doing on the vman is 4x xp/charge than the wizard but the wizard is clicking wayyy more than 4x times the vman (and yes I am CC'ing)

[rustic garnet]

absolutely not

[glad crow]

dont worry about it, but yes, you want to buy the gem shop cauldrons, and then just level up the meals that increases the cap and the salt lick upgrade.... ofcourse also the decant upgrade

[rustic garnet]

there are only TWO things you skip with 6 lab setup

first cooking speed, which you turn on when you cash in your ladels

[pure ember]

Cooking jewel and?

[rustic garnet]

and then the damage orange I think

[boreal cosmos]

Okay that's what I thought just confirming

[dapper prism]

Stop using ES talent, you want levels on all your alts
Use IE/IT to check max xp/charge and do that on vman,

[rustic garnet]

Keeping Vman ahead of wiz isn't a big deal btw

it's like 1 or 2% boost to your Ef later on

[pure ember]

Use crystal countdown as well

3rd most powerful talent In the game

[stray echo]

why keep cooking off?

[dapper prism]

Either way, dont let ES use vman worship. You want to use and maximize the MOST xp on vman at all times due to vman talent

[rustic garnet]

You do want levels on alts, but at some point, it's fine to explode into ES for tons of it

[rustic garnet]

because the other one is better and you can turn it on when you use ladels

[dapper prism]

Because you cant 6 man lab with cooking speed node on.

[rustic garnet]

ladels are, by far, the biggest contribution to cooking, not afk

[boreal cosmos]

What's the best way to get maestro from 120ish to 150?

[rustic garnet]

Yes you can, but you lose out on something better Trickz

[pure ember]

When you get to a certain point you get thousands of ladles easily

[ebon bridge]

right but I also want a ton of souls, so having my wizard do the charge is for max souls not necessarily the xp funneling

[dapper prism]

Active farm, maximize crystal rate, choco chip and active xp.

We just had this convo twice further up xD

[rustic garnet]

and

are WAY better than cooking

[stray echo]

I gotta rearrange my lab now lol, this was helpful. ty yall

[boreal cosmos]

I'm not scrolling up through who knows how many messages if I don't know it's there.

[dapper prism]

Either way you need and want to maximize xp on vman at all times. Because of his talent that will give you more souls for everyone

[rustic garnet]

Skip this one too

[dreamy spruce]

damn 4.5x build speed from that jewel? I hope its in rotation soon

[boreal cosmos]

Also there's no way my maestro is killing w5 crystals at 120

[pure ember]

Get everyone to skulls that you can feasibly make due to salts

[rustic garnet]

If you ever need a boost of damage for something... just add a 7th into lab

[sharp wind]

Doot

[stray echo]

I'm just now dipping into later game, gem collection coming along (f2p), so i overlooked that

[rustic garnet]

Doot whale just makes the game half as intricate, and adds so much QoL its silly

[dreamy spruce]

now you do, just ctrl f cans should be one of first responses (if you want to look at it)

[sacred monolith]

Lab is easy to get overwhelmed by initially

[sharp wind]

Ikr lucky got mine at 20ish pull

[boreal cosmos]

Noone should ever ask a question again then

[pure ember]

.......

[dapper prism]

Stop with the self sorrow, there's a huge difference in "not asking a question" vs "scroll up"

[dreamy spruce]

I didn't mean that, but doesnt take that long to check if question has been asked

[dapper prism]

Then again, you're the one that asked for IE help (the other day) and then took offense when your IE gets shredded..

[boreal cosmos]

Oh so this is a snark discord except when it's given back. Got it.

Lol

[rustic garnet]

Eh?

If you ask for help and show IE and people give you things that are bad... and you take umbrage?

I think that's pretty poor show!

https://naterade.idleonefficiency.com/

[rustic garnet]

Rip me apart, please

[stray echo]

hey guys its an idle game masked as an mmo

[rustic garnet]

I would love tips

[stray echo]

not serious

[rustic garnet]

absolutely not an MMO

[boreal cosmos]

No, I asked what I could do to increase my maestro green mush kills. I'm well aware I have a lot to work on because I've been playing just a little over a month.

[fathom lagoon]

One could say his ego is… “fraele”

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[stray echo]

what is serious is these LIQUID CAP GAINS ILY ALL

[fathom lagoon]

Pretty good for 1 month keep up the grind

[boreal cosmos]

And then got a shitty snarky response, but when I point it out then I'm the problem lol

[rustic garnet]

it doesn't get way better, btw

[pure ember]

https://www.idleonefficiency.com/profile/upload tear me apart

[stray echo]

u made it to w5 in a month? it took me forever

[dapper prism]

22/h+ without any characters in there

[pure ember]

Currently just chilling in lab with elephant procs

[dapper prism]

3ish weeks here 👀

[stray echo]

that sounds...daunting

[fathom lagoon]

I think everyone basically saying no one is shitting on you in particular. We all shit on each other. It’s a shit fest. Don’t take it personal is the general gist

[boreal cosmos]

There's only so much time to do each individual activity, so Im prioritizing what I can.

Then don't come at me saying I'm being fragile when I'm telling you that you're being snarky about something I didn't ask about (not you in particular)

[sacred monolith]

I KNOW I have dumb stuff in mine. Thats why I never post my IE

[stray echo]

mines perfect, i dont post it cuz i dont want ppl to feel bad

[green eagle]

i'm done with this chemical warfare for now

[dapper prism]

Last i updated my IE was at my 3 month idle-versary. Right before doot. Since i goot doot after that people can see the 3 month progress without blaming everything on doot xD

[green eagle]

i want to actually do something else

this feels worse than playing cog clicker

[sacred monolith]

Thats mighty kinds of you

[stray echo]

i totally didnt miss a lab node....or just found out how good the sailing/divinity mailboxes are...

[dapper prism]

You should focus on your rate a lot more than Cap. I barely had cap at 30ish and went to 100 Rate, then did cap 50-75ish.

[green eagle]

@dapper prism i got it down to ONE and 4 more have popped up after a log cycle

[sacred monolith]

I'm pretty sure people would vomit if they saw my shrine levels

[pure ember]

Mine are around..... 16-20 iirc?

[rustic garnet]

I read the convo, I'm with trickz here, sorry buddy

[dry jasper]

Just spend trash to buy the first stamp but didn't get anything, is it not guaranteed?

[stray echo]

i did cap cuz i was doing 600 liquid cap dumps on a 1500 level cost, it was horrible. definitely shifting to rate now with a bigger cap

[rustic garnet]

Trickz had some great tips for you, like, most people would kill for that detail / info

[fathom lagoon]

Speaking of lab nodes, is lighting up 35 nodes even possible? I’m pretty sure I have ever rhinestone and am only at 32/35 (only thing I’m not connected to is the liquid cap one)

[rustic garnet]

of course it is

😉

[sacred monolith]

For sure, you don't even need that high of lab level on everyone

[fathom lagoon]

Hmm I gotta double check again wtf I could be missing lol

[dapper prism]

My point was, there's a whole chain of things that end up helping mman gmush kph.
Giving you that chain, instead of just saying "get more dmg" i listed the steps, #1 mman -> better samples -> better alch+stamps -> better dmg -> better kph type of things.

[rustic garnet]

sorry dooter, I was just pulling your chain

it's not

[stray echo]

more uploads!

[fathom lagoon]

Lmaoo ok thanks

[ebon bridge]

If I'm not able to recraft an item, are cattlekruk stones still recommended?

[rustic garnet]

Cant -- what do you mean?

[green eagle]

i know nothing of the background conversation, but trickz is like me and we help people as best we can, but we do have a point where repeating the same information daily gets old. so if i'm ever snarky that is my personal excuse

[rustic garnet]

I would suggest cattlekruk for EXTREME end game

[ebon bridge]

Like I'm not able because I don't have sufficient resources

[dapper prism]

More once a year rotations that people will miss! "Choco chip Deluxe, each kill is 10x Crystals!"

[rustic garnet]

don't use kattlekruck till you feel ok dropping 10 on the ground and not worrying

[stray echo]

i made a whole ass spreadsheet with a DAY BY DAY GRIND to make sure i got that choco chip last time it was in. my wife was pissed at me checking the game so often. i got it on the last day lol

[rustic garnet]

It wasn't snarky, just a firm 'this is a crazy choice you've made, do this and get 10x gains' sorta thing

[viral snow]

Kruk stones are a gamble so you dont wanna use them on stuff you can only make 1

[sacred monolith]

You get the 35th lab node right after you reach the 15th pet at breedability teir 7

[stray echo]

i need to look into vman sampling for monster drops

[dapper prism]

Rofl

[paper nova]

For mman Crystal Countdown is there a way to see which skill was affected? and does the % limit spread accross multiple skills or is it a total overall?

[dreamy spruce]

IE / IT

[paper nova]

oooh sick ty

[stray echo]

can you let me know where on idleon toolbox? IE doesnt work at my current location so im using IT but cant find that data

i think it shows only when it hits cap on the dashboard but even then ive never seen it personally

[dreamy spruce]

Might be just IE then

[stray echo]

maybe

[paper nova]

Are you talking about my q?

[stray echo]

yeah

[paper nova]

IE > Character > skills -- bottom of page

[stray echo]

my god

ty

good day for knowledge
-edit, whomp thats IE not IT. ty though @paper nova

[paper nova]

ty u both

[dapper prism]

Biggest issue in my comments are when you arnt told someone has doot. Which makes a huge difference. Then you see someone 5/10 alts in Lab without goat on. or unlocked (1 god away). That makes it even more weird on a glance.

You shred the setup since you cant see stuff like companions and then I was called condescending , snarky, etc.

This was my post btw: #lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[paper nova]

serious - so nice to have

[paper nova]

What's IT and should i be using this?

[stray echo]

nah ie is better imo

[dapper prism]

!it

[obtuse orbit]

https://idleontoolbox.com/ - Unofficial 3rd party site made by Morojo#2331

[dapper prism]

IT is better in a lot of areas

[paper nova]

No effing way.. 😮

[stray echo]

i just cant get ie working on this pc, long story

[paper nova]

I love the tools for this game ❤️

[stray echo]

theyre both good

[dreamy spruce]

If you logged in on wrong account, you can clear all cookies and then log in again

[paper nova]

If it's the login issue then that's an easy fix

[dapper prism]

Disccussion about IT vs IE stuff with some exampels here:

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[paper nova]

Yea this

[stray echo]

long story short im at my in-laws, and their fios has a built in mcafee firewall blocking IE as dangerous and im not editing my in-laws internet privacy settings.

[paper nova]

ooh

[dreamy spruce]

ah I see

[pure ember]

Pretty sure it works on smithing as well

[stray echo]

first problem is mcafee tbh lmao but IT works so im like a month till im out of here, not a big deal

[paper nova]

I was assuming it worked on more than what it is showing. Why it isn't showing more though I don't know lol

[boreal cosmos]

Okay 🤷

[dapper prism]

McAfee
When even the creator of an anti software made a joke about his work*, that's when you know its bad

[boreal cosmos]

Ill make sure to "learn the proper game mechanics" before asking questions to learn how to do something specific. Thank you

[pure ember]

And I don't know if it affects alchemy

[dapper prism]

Affects Mining, Smithing, Choppin, Fishing, Alchemy, Catching, Trapping, Worship, and Cooking. Reduces Laboratory Efficiency while not raising EXP. Has no effect on Construction, Breeding, Sailing, Divinity, and Gaming.

-wiki

[dreamy spruce]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message
IT Does have it, I just dont know where it is

should I max mana or cons PO first on DK?

[dapper prism]

@paper nova @pure ember
A great Strategy for that mman/vman crystal kills reduce xp:
Let's say you're doing fishing and your talent is -75% xp cap.

• Get a fresh level up, 0% xp.
• Fish to 25% xp
• Kill crystals, once you hit -75% cap you will level up fishing (during combat)
• Stay at crystals until you hit your -75% cap for the next level
• Go back to fishing, get that new level up and setup the next level up.

You'll essentially be doing 2x 25% fishing levels each time then 2x -75% crystal xp cap.
The benefit is you're changing between combat and skilling half as often instead of doing it each level the switch is every second level.
Hope this may help sometime, It's great for slow skills (like fishing before expeditions was released)

[tacit tulip]

It's technically no faster than doing it 1 for 1 but there's a whole lot less faffing about and that's good

[signal osprey]

Its better in the sense that you use less event food

[pure ember]

Tbf..... I am not overly worried about fishing..... or Catching and thats what I have been doing, thanks for talking about it though

[signal osprey]

You do the same thing for other skills too though. Fishing was just the example used

[dapper prism]

Worship ould probably be a very easy one once charge is full-ish. Since you can pretty much instantly consume the charge and do more crystals

[tacit tulip]

iirc trapping is the slow skill now

[fast grail]

Trapping

[viral star]

at what % should i try unlocking the next one?

[dreamy spruce]

asap

[viral star]

so if its at 0.3% i should click it?

[dapper prism]

Research has big diminishing returns the longer you wait, especially for the last 1-2 plants where you barely hit 0.1-0.3% type of thing

[tacit tulip]

basically yeah. Doubling your dna does not double your chances. So clicking after every big harvest is generally the easiest way to do things. Quantity>Quality in this case

[dapper prism]

Earlier onces like that you can get a big higher before those dimishing returns hit. Best to Keep kitsune on once unlocked for more attempts on this

[viral star]

i seee.. so i've been doing it iuncorrectly until today

[tacit tulip]

most people do - it's usually our job to set you on the right track

[viral star]

kitsune?

[dapper prism]

Depends on how many genes the % equals to. Track it once a bit for some breakpoints

[viral star]

1 gene is 0.3%

or around

[dapper prism]

An import unlock. you'll get there, aka cat / rock

[tacit tulip]

don't be surprised if the last one takes a couple of months, it's RNG hell like the rest of world 5

[viral star]

i got thesee

[dapper prism]

Could do higher than that, just compare 1 gene to 2 vs 5 or 10 genes
But yes, more clicks on research is usually the way to go*

[viral star]

okay ill do that whenm i have the chance

[dreamy spruce]

also even if it says 0% the chance is not quite 0% chance

[viral star]

atleast i have a nice nuggie 160..

[tacit tulip]

Bad news there 😄

[viral star]

i know its low as heck but .... im in w5 a month so i'd say rng wasn't the worst for me

[tacit tulip]

took me like 5 months to go from a 10k nuggie to a 15k

Not improved since then either

[dreamy spruce]

im at 11k after a bit over a month

[fading cape]

at least one thing I'm lucky in. Sitting on a 55k nugget

[dreamy spruce]

am doot abusing tho, so can prob just 2x my time

[fading cape]

Meanwhile been working on the same 6 eldritch artifacts for can't even remember how long

[tacit tulip]

yeah those last ones are evil

tempted to do fractal island to get the artifact find boost

[vocal ibex]

i been stuck 34k since the beggining of time

[thorn marsh]

yeah, that's cause of rule 34... try and google "idleon rule 34"

[signal osprey]

It actually exists. Thats where doot chan lives

[vagrant mountain]

doot chan yamate

[dreamy spruce]

[viral star]

also where should i be using cranium cooking? like which zone

[dreamy spruce]

Wurms if you can

if not then citringes

and if you cant do those then flombeiges in w4

[viral star]

if not any of these.. i dont push with my bubo

[dreamy spruce]

cans

[viral star]

okay

[dreamy spruce]

but I highly recommend pushing first

so you get XP and alch time instead of just alch time

or candy to floms for gold twine

[viral star]

im right now fixing my lab while using the goat god

so thats why no pushing

when ill get my lab to be able to use 6 players ill try to do else

rn just chiulling

[dreamy spruce]

if you're just CCing once a day colo is also great

[viral star]

ye i am doing it that often

[zealous niche]

How do you guys keep up with void bars for salt?

[viral star]

also what lab level should my characters be for optimal lab setup?

[zealous niche]

I’ve got 8 slots going for void and I’m still running out..

[fading cape]

void bars or void ore?

[zealous niche]

Bars

[dreamy spruce]

SB kills

[fading cape]

oh for nullo.

AFK archer

[zealous niche]

:<

All three of my archers are eclipsing beans though..

[dapper prism]

Doesnt matter what nthey grind

[tacit tulip]

having all gem store forge upgrades help

[dapper prism]

just login every 2mins

SB hits bar cap pretty much within 2mins very early/soon

[zealous niche]

Oh.. so logging in once a day is my problem 😦

[dapper prism]

Yup

At least, it doesnt help

[zealous niche]

🫠

[dapper prism]

also get w5 achievement, 5m citringe, for +50% forge cap

[fading cape]

yeah. I check my bars every 2 hours along with my sailing and gaming when I'm "active"

[dreamy spruce]

does amount kills while afk scale less over time or just the rewards from the kills?

[tacit tulip]

the rewards basically

[zealous niche]

Do I just claim archer afk and that’s enough or should I be popping to forge each archer too?

[tacit tulip]

you can only make as many bars as there is ore in the forge

[zealous niche]

Until the arcade bonus comes back I don’t know of any other source of forge capacity I’m missing

[tacit tulip]

as long as you have the arm to refill the forge swapping should be enough

[zealous niche]

Got all the things you guys have mentioned

[dreamy spruce]

may be you just ranked up nullo too often

[fading cape]

yeah at this point I'm curious your nullo rank

[zealous niche]

10

[tacit tulip]

that'll do it

[fading cape]

yeah that's why. lol

[zealous niche]

Damn

[fading cape]

what's that like 600 bars a cycle?

[vale wadi]

How long does it takes for veroci to evolve for 4th time? Its the only evolution in my log book not have 5 with base. Its there tough?

[dreamy spruce]

same as other plants

[zealous niche]

110 a cycle

[fading cape]

not as bad as I thought. 55 a cycle on rank 5.

[viral star]

im still at rank 1

[dreamy spruce]

almost like its linear

[viral star]

should i rank it up?

[dapper prism]

W4 Pins, check the graph and follow it

[fading cape]

W3/W4 chat pins

[viral star]

okay

[dapper prism]

woups, may be w3 xd

[dreamy spruce]

thats the same chat lol

[dapper prism]

Oh that's the same chat

lol

been a while

[vale wadi]

Still not happend in 4 gaming days....

[fading cape]

too much W5

[viral star]

yeee pretty sure next level and ill update

[dapper prism]

I hope w6 gets it's own chat 👀

[fading cape]

not surprising. Some of them take a long time

[tacit tulip]

tier 5 (and 6/7) are just really really rare. Each plant is the same chance, tho

[dapper prism]

T5 to T6 with 3min cycle and 10x T5's sitting around = 150 days. 6min cycle = 300 days.

To t7 same case, 3min is 15000 days

[dreamy spruce]

is tier 3 to tier 4 same chance as t1 to t2?

[vale wadi]

Then i wait xd

[signal osprey]

It will. 1-4 were all separate channels pre W5. They got combined with the addition of W5 chat

[fading cape]

I'm still angry I went away for 5 whole days with kitsune on and not one tier 6. So many AFK gaming bonus claims and not a single one

[dapper prism]

Because 5 days is not 150 days (on 3min cycle)

[fading cape]

but it felt like 150 days

[signal osprey]

Yeah going a week or two of gaming without a T6 is pretty normal unless you have very high speed and mutation chance

[spring yarrow]

can someone whos name begins with P help me with that quest?

[fading cape]

yeah. I'm still meandering around

[fading cape]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/827796218368360459

[dreamy spruce]

is bubo or dk faster xp? since bubo kills more crystals per hour but DK has the multiplier

I assume its dk?

[tacit tulip]

these reduce in chance too. When w5 first came out it was hard to get t4 plants but 1-3 were pretty easy still

[dapper prism]

Bubo initially until DK gets his orb up, den dk goes vroom.

[tacit tulip]

DK is faster because bubo so graciously grants him, grind time

[dreamy spruce]

thanks

[signal osprey]

Yeah DK is more talent dependent as you need to be able to consistently get like 700-800 orbs at wurms for it to really shine

But once you do it is significantly faster

[dreamy spruce]

is wurms higher orb than citringes?

[dapper prism]

Also 225 vman for +20s statue helps dk a bunch

[tacit tulip]

yeah

[signal osprey]

Its pretty similar orb but the exp on wurms is quite a lot higher

[dreamy spruce]

I get like 500 orb at citringes, wonder what I'll get at wurms when I get there

[dapper prism]

Crystal XP is based on zone mob xp.

Going from last map down to 2nd last map is like -10% xp per crystal kill

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah know wurms is more xp, meant orb number only

[tacit tulip]

DK is also best for key drops at wurms, so he's really king of wurms long run

[signal osprey]

At 500 orb youll still get good exp but I dont know if its faster than bubo yet

Probably pretty close at least

[dreamy spruce]

my bubo not even 1shotting citringe crystals yet so his aura spread not that great :{

[dapper prism]

Probably still wurms because it has a lot more mobs and once setup with a statue on each platform, its really nice

[dreamy spruce]

that talent doesnt get affected by stuff like ES and slug right? so 245 is the max you can get it is talent lvl 245 right? so why is there a 250 buff?

[dapper prism]

Nope

[tacit tulip]

future proofing

[dreamy spruce]

ah

makes sense

[tacit tulip]

when lava increases the cap, he doesn't yet have to design a buff

[dapper prism]

Although the 250 talent would have been nice for vman skilling 😦

[tacit tulip]

hmm, my sb has hit 450

wonder how fast he can kill kattle...

[dreamy spruce]

very fast?

[dapper prism]

Gz, my bm struggling , 445/450 atm 😦

[dreamy spruce]

are you lvling him active or afk?

[dapper prism]

always active

[dreamy spruce]

damn is the diff that big that you're willing to active bm for it?

[tacit tulip]

oh okay this is fine

[dapper prism]

Yes, would take 80h for a single level atm (afk). But went up around 6-8 levels over night active

BM is a terrible example though

[dreamy spruce]

oh damn

[tacit tulip]

man I dunno why you guys struggle with capes

[dapper prism]

since bm just sucks

[tacit tulip]

3 runs lmao

[tawny jacinth]

no u

[dreamy spruce]

at least you got some breeding progress :>

[dapper prism]

Best example i had tracked was my Bubo
lvl 300 to 352 in 4h 8min active. AFK would have been 35 days

[dapper prism]

Yes. totally needed that /s xD

[dreamy spruce]

yeah my bubo has been zooming over the past few weeks

[signal osprey]

One day I'll get 75 breeding

[tacit tulip]

with the addition of kattle I've finally broke past 20DR on my SB lol

[dreamy spruce]

damn nice

[signal osprey]

I should really farm more kruk wings

Maybe one day

[quiet pewter]

is active sailing worth it, or just afk?

[tacit tulip]

SB DR is kinda cheating cause of this talent. I'm above 19 on the rest, tho

[rustic garnet]

SB DR is mostly irrelevent anyway

[tacit tulip]

yeah

[rustic garnet]

if you want highest DR< you do VMAN

if you want anything else, you use DK/ES/Bubo

[tacit tulip]

It only got noted cause I'm doing the stupid plunder farm

[rustic garnet]

It's a 'technically' situation

[tacit tulip]

zzzz

[dreamy spruce]

does IE or IT shows atoms / hour printed ? or do I need to do math myself?

[signal osprey]

What is active sailing?

IT has it

[quiet pewter]

you can watch the boats move if you leave the window open, kinda relaxing

[signal osprey]

Yeah but they still take 2 hours

[dreamy spruce]

oh yeah thanks

[tawny jacinth]

Active sailing sounds like a cool animated background but thatd be it lol

[tacit tulip]

You should know better to trust goat with a sincere question

[signal osprey]

I think its almost time for more SB. Need a little more DR for a statue breakpoint

[tacit tulip]

with maxed out aoe talents it's about 20k a day

[dapper prism]

Sailing "Random Events" that could trigger would sound fun.

[dreamy spruce]

I get 1,5k atoms a day listed on IT but thats without doot / printer go brr so I prob get double, should I spend my 16 upgrades purely on stat and spend rest in collider or split it between hearty diggy and stat bubble?

[quiet pewter]

kraken attack?

[signal osprey]

But I'm already at 100k so its probably gonna be slow to get what I need

[quiet pewter]

thats not many, whats your wood sample at?

[dreamy spruce]

my highest one rn

[dapper prism]

Yeh, and pirates, finding extra stuff, "options" to help or fight etc.
Then with that make different type captains have more purpose oriented stuff. Speed/Attack/etc.

[quiet pewter]

ah ok, sounds about right

samples get big soon once you start feeding alchemy withatoms

[dreamy spruce]

yeah resampled a few days ago, but would get about 60% increase again I think

[quiet pewter]

atoming 1st 3 wiz and warr bubbles will give you 100M

[dreamy spruce]

cant atom 3rd wiz bubble yet :{

maybe if im not on wiz actually

[signal osprey]

If you only get 100m then you didn't atom them enough

[tacit tulip]

you can disconnect the lab node for double vials to increase bubble cost too

[dreamy spruce]

not quite :{

[signal osprey]

Those 3 bubbles alone are 300m+ oak assuming you don't ignore the rest of your account

[quiet pewter]

i mean it wasnt a cap, i mean you an go from 10 to 100 with jsut that for a week or so

[dreamy spruce]

you mean bubble 1 2 and 3?

[signal osprey]

Yeah

[tacit tulip]

move someone off this lab node and see if it gets you there

you'll need to change map after changing the node I believe

[dreamy spruce]

dont think 9% is gonna triple it

[quiet pewter]

or do some SB pushing with candy and get a shit load of nails

[orchid ferry]

what was the consensus? base stats?

[quiet pewter]

tbh i like the % dmg till it costs more

[rustic garnet]

sadly, yes

the % damage is crap

[signal osprey]

I'm just doing stats in order. I did strength until the cost went up and then kept going

The damage is a new multi so its actually decent

[plush spear]

Really?

[tacit tulip]

oh sweet

[signal osprey]

Yeah

But the cost on it scales faster than the other stuff

[tacit tulip]

makes sense

[signal osprey]

I think i got 12 strength before cost went up and only 3% damage

[orchid ferry]

that's right

3% is 1 and 4% is 2

[dapper prism]

think 7% effy for cost change

https://i.imgur.com/73su6cQ.png

[autumn wasp]

its 5

[quiet pewter]

any concesus on when to switch from trash% to saving for bribes?

[tacit tulip]

I decided the bribes weren't worth it and defaulted to buying whatever is cheapest

[signal osprey]

6 trash % > bribes > 9 trash % > other stuff

[dreamy spruce]

I feel like I dont get the same amount of trash every day :{

[quiet pewter]

ah man, they weak?

[dapper prism]

You don't, trash is a range

[dreamy spruce]

ah

[dapper prism]

some people got 35+ trash on day 1 while others barely got 5

[tacit tulip]

I guess it depends how much trash the random events give

but the rest are pretty meh

for the bribes

[signal osprey]

Even if its only 1 or 2 trash per day thats still a bigger increase than you get from trash %

[jaunty thistle]

Trash stacks right?

[dapper prism]

True, from the 4 trash a day from island

yeh

[dreamy spruce]

does the bottle one give 10% more bottles when you click on it? since it sounds like bottles spawn more often instead of giving more per bottle

[quiet pewter]

thanks didnt realise they were on the wiki, yeah they kinda meh

[signal osprey]

Only reason you don't rush bribes is because upgrading trash % first gets you to bribes in less total time

But the math has already been done. The 6/bribes/9 method is the fastest total time to buy all bonuses from trash island

[tacit tulip]

you get one bottle at your daily reset, and the amount of bottles it gives you is based on your total bonus

[dreamy spruce]

thats what I thought, thanks

[signal osprey]

6 trash before bribes gets you to bribes in less time than any other ratio

[quiet pewter]

can math really be trusted though? its just numbers

[signal osprey]

And then going to 9 trash before buying stamps and stuff gets you everything else in the least time possible

[orchid ferry]

yeah it needs letters to be reliable

[dreamy spruce]

math uses letters too

[orchid ferry]

woosh

[signal osprey]

Well the numbers say that depending on your method of choice you can take anywhere from 220 days to over 600 days to buy everything

[tacit tulip]

"find x" found it

[dreamy spruce]

thats a lot of days

[signal osprey]

So if you don't like 6/bribes/9 then do something different

But spending 3 times longer is a little rough lol

[edgy pine]

Alright seems like I made a mistake buying 1 bottle upgrade then

I’ll have to do so like that

[loud flower]

Is there a bonus for rift 51?

[quiet pewter]

no

[loud flower]

Tt

Ty

[tacit tulip]

rift 50 is current max, but we should be due more eventually

[quiet pewter]

was kinda expecting it to be infinitly scaling tbh

[dreamy spruce]

Rift 51 onyx statues?

[dapper prism]

Step 1: Keep an alt in rift until next rewards.
Step 2: Do all steps on other alts
Step 3: when the new kill quest pops up login on alt and profit instantly

[signal osprey]

You can already unlock up to rift 50 now though

[orchid ferry]

You missed have a survivability of 0% and get 0 kill

[tacit tulip]

we know onyx will be part of a quest chain in w4 so thankfully not

[dapper prism]

But what about rift 56 reward 😄

[dreamy spruce]

Ah didn't know that

[quiet pewter]

how you know that?

[dreamy spruce]

He googled it

[signal osprey]

Rift had a prequest

[dreamy spruce]

And it's w4

[barren otter]

what about the gold statues

[tacit tulip]

true

[dapper prism]

sadly nothing on google, would have been fun though 😦

[signal osprey]

And normally world completion means do a questline and get a trophy. He used completion in quotation marks and said its only technically part of the update which implies its somehow different too

[haughty summit]

What about them?

[signal osprey]

I think rift is the most likely candidate

[barren otter]

yea what about them

[haughty summit]

They still there. Just not the best annymore after onyx gets released

[tacit tulip]

I really need to sort superchow out lol

[barren otter]

well statues drop as stone

[tacit tulip]

for rift

[barren otter]

figured there'd be a gold statue drop no?

[plush spear]

What does it do then

[barren otter]

that's what I'm sayin...

[haughty summit]

No you buy the gold statues when you upgrade your statue man

[dreamy spruce]

Gold statue you get from gold upgrade

[barren otter]

you're missing the point

I know you upgrade to gold for acc wide

[dapper prism]

We're talking about this:
#💖future-content-blog message

[barren otter]

but the drops from mobs themselves

are only stone colored

[dapper prism]

If its gold and onyx statues that drop or if its upgrade to the overal account wide statue

[tacit tulip]

ok?

[barren otter]

yea so is it a drop or upgrading account wide?

[rustic garnet]

I hope trophies get 'completed' rather than infnitely there

[signal osprey]

I would assume that only stone statues drop after the update too

[haughty summit]

I would guess money upgrades flr onyx? Or something

[signal osprey]

And onyx is just another statue upgrade mechanic

[tacit tulip]

Yeah, We didn't get gold statues once you unlocked gold- why would we get onyx/gold as a drop after unlocking onyx?

[dapper prism]

I also think onyx is just an upgrade to gold, like account wide stuff. And maybe have some random simple buff like all statues deposited count as 2x again.

[haughty summit]

Yeah u prog get an item from quest which unlock onyx so you can buy

[rustic garnet]

I hope statues get maxed at some point, rather than 'just get 100k more for 1% more

[signal osprey]

I just hope he doesnt add completion to trophies. Lets not remove any more things for endgame to push for thanks

[dreamy spruce]

I'm predicting 1% bigger boost per statue level

[signal osprey]

Hes already killed so many forms of endgame goals since W5

[plush spear]

Imagine server wide statue

[signal osprey]

No more please

Leave me something to do

[haughty summit]

Doubt lava would care to make gold statues dropp as well, cuz that shitt would just fill up inventorys more

[dreamy spruce]

Wdym add completion to trophies? And which goals did he kill?

[haughty summit]

Why maxed? Inf scaling bonuses are dope

[signal osprey]

Make statues completable as in they have a cap of some sort

[dreamy spruce]

Ah now I get it

[barren otter]

yea thats the most likely case its just weird to lump base and gold in there when that's been out for a while now

[tacit tulip]

sorry bud, this is a no bean hunting zone now

[signal osprey]

And he killed goals by introducing insane power creep. Endgame vials are just done stamps are mostly capped and bubbles are either hourly/daily click

[quiet pewter]

id like a cap on anything that is currently a logarithmically approaching limit. would be nice to gold some alchemy bubbles when you get to like 99% of the max or something

[dreamy spruce]

Maybe to make it obvious hes talking about statues?

[signal osprey]

Theres not nearly as many different things to push for any more at end game

[dreamy spruce]

Ah I see

[orchid ferry]

imagine onyx statues are just rare statues that MULTIPLY the bonus of the regular statues versions 👀

[signal osprey]

Because he took so many mechanics that used to be very hard but somewhat doable and made them pretty doable

So we did them lol

[barren otter]

possibly? to me it'd be more clear to just show only the oynx statue but that might just be

[haughty summit]

I think he put it there to let us see all the tiers of statues for those unaware

[barren otter]

yea thats fair gotta think in terms of not knowing it at all

[agile pagoda]

Yay!

[signal osprey]

Don't you talk to me or my son ever again

[haughty summit]

Yeahh. I mean i get that its easy to only think about stuff from an late/endgame perspective when updates hit

[dreamy spruce]

I just realized the gold statue isn't just gold, it also looks a little different

Or it's just shading

[tacit tulip]

wouldn't think too hard about that, that's just how it looks

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah I meant gold compared to normal, but I think it's just shading difference

[quiet pewter]

looks a bit carp

[rustic garnet]

Except they turn from 'dope' into 'required grind'

[signal osprey]

Thats called endgame though

What else do you expect us to do when we max all the other content

[rustic garnet]

I think other things are fairly end game

[signal osprey]

Such as?

[rustic garnet]

1 billion kiills, atoms, bubbles

I think hourly clicks is very bad

[dreamy spruce]

GT

[rustic garnet]

imho

[signal osprey]

Endgame is basically done with the atom collider

And they finished eclipse skulls awhile ago

Bubbles are do your 50 atom clicks and then you either hourly click or you dont

Theres nothing to push for with bubbles

Vials are done too

Endgame is construction, stamps, and statues

Or gmush I guess

[rustic garnet]

sure, statue farm just has something that isn't quite like the rest atm

[zinc torrent]

lol im chilling at really early game

[signal osprey]

But theres also almost nothing else to do if you take it away

[rustic garnet]

like, cons and stamps can be 'caught up' but the rates/quantity/how they drop is not the same

[signal osprey]

Besides active bubo for GT forever I guess

[rustic garnet]

so... add new things

[zinc torrent]

i level 17

[rustic garnet]

rather than keep a bad concept alive just because it is, right now, infinite

if you only have statues left, it's just a bad end game design

[signal osprey]

Theres nothing wrong with an infinite concept though

[rustic garnet]

eh, slightly disagree here

I think having everything have a limit to be reached is great

[signal osprey]

Until you reach it

[rustic garnet]

sure, should be adding new things to entice

like adding vials cap

[signal osprey]

And you can do that without taking away from old mechanics

[rustic garnet]

he could have made them infinite

[signal osprey]

Theres literally no reason he would need to cap statues to add new things

[rustic garnet]

In the name of improving the game

[signal osprey]

Thats an opinion though

[rustic garnet]

There is no reason he 'needs to'

[dreamy spruce]

Wouldn't some vials be a little op if they scaled endlessly?

[rustic garnet]

I'm just saying I think he should, as part of onyx update, add an 'end' to it

a 'goal'

Yes Pimere

that's why scalining infinite is bad

[quiet pewter]

id like to see the non-linear scaling alchemy bubbles have a cap level, instead of gaining 0.00000001% on the 9999 level

[signal osprey]

But thats not a fair comparison because vials and statues are so different

[rustic garnet]

same goat

I agree

[quiet pewter]

would have little effect on game, just satisfying

[dreamy spruce]

Oh I thought you wanted infinite vial lvls

[signal osprey]

Some of the strongest vials are much stronger than any of the statues

[rustic garnet]

No, I definitely don't

I want a cap on most things

[signal osprey]

And we have a cap on almost everything

[rustic garnet]

just make it a challenge to get to it

[fast grail]

More defense

[rustic garnet]

so you have a rewarding target

[stiff kayak]

just got squirl how how should i spend them

[rustic garnet]

statues have an end

err

cons does

its just hard to hit

[signal osprey]

No it doesnt

[dreamy spruce]

Having a few things to choose between when end game would still be nice tho I'd imagine

[signal osprey]

Impossible to hit

[rustic garnet]

impossible right now

[signal osprey]

Its so poorly balanced it will be impossible forever

Until he updates it

[rustic garnet]

ok, well, a future update to improve it

[dreamy spruce]

You just got squirrel and have 1.6k acorns??

[rustic garnet]

or give us a new something

[signal osprey]

Thats the point im trying to make

I dont think everything should be endless

[dreamy spruce]

I know I'm agreeing with you

[signal osprey]

But having some things be endless mixed in with a bunch of things with clear endpoints is fine

And thats what we have now

Almost everything in the game is capped

[rustic garnet]

as most grindy idle games go for as it's a reward system

you're in a spot where maybe if you hit a cap it would feel like there is nothing to do

which is a fair, selfish (not in a bad way) thing to view

[quiet pewter]

id like most features to reduce to say less than 10 things that go infinite, the rest cap. its kinda unsatisfying having so many stamps and bubbles all scale forever. would be cool if you could cap off the first page of stamps or something

[rustic garnet]

right now, if he capped it with no other 'thing to do' it'd be a bit much

but yeah, the idea that you 'cap a stamp' by 'not being able to hold more items'

is so bad

[stiff kayak]

yeah is it that big?

[signal osprey]

Well thats what it would be if onyx is a cap

[potent maple]

spend them?

[signal osprey]

Endgame is basically done with content right now

[rustic garnet]

Assuming the cap is easy

Then endgame needs more content, end of

[dreamy spruce]

I thought you start with 0 not 1.6k

[stiff kayak]

did you start with 0?

[rustic garnet]

relying on a world 1 feature for 'end game' is not really neat

[gentle anchor]

my afk gain rate is 113% but im getting more than double the kills active than i would afk

[dreamy spruce]

Don't remember tbh, but I'd just upgrade both equally

[signal osprey]

Every world drops different statues lol

[dreamy spruce]

My left one is a few upgrades higher

[rustic garnet]

that's just what it is

[haughty summit]

I mean. Ppl that are endgame need something to grind. So capping out on stuff makes the game less grindy and makes it lack content if u are really endgame

[rustic garnet]

Sure, that's fine, but it is one of the first concepts created

[gentle anchor]

but if it 113% itsnt afk better than.?

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah but later ones not that good

[rustic garnet]

the later one are all tied to concepts that 'end' basically

[dreamy spruce]

I already told you this when you hit 101% but active always better

[rustic garnet]

even gaming has an end

[dreamy spruce]

Because respawn abilities don't work afk

[gentle anchor]

alright thanks man

[haughty summit]

Well it does not have an end. Cuz of bubbles requiring bits

So the grind goes on

[rustic garnet]

sure

but I bet there is a hard cap on the gain there

I doubt that one is linear, is it?

[dreamy spruce]

Just clicking harvest all once a day isn't really relevant anymore tho

Gameplay wise

[haughty summit]

Well i would rather have it the way it is now than just going in once a day and clicking harvest

[gentle anchor]

is voidwalker going for?

like the 1m deathnote kills

[dreamy spruce]

Void walker good

[signal osprey]

The bit bubbles have a cap yes

[gentle anchor]

i get can 1m kills in around 3 hours

[signal osprey]

And even if they didnt have a cap they give weapon power which is a horrible stat anyway

[dreamy spruce]

Should go pretty fast then

[gentle anchor]

so is it worth to kill every mob 1m times

[signal osprey]

So gamings impact on alch is nonexistant

[dreamy spruce]

Yes

[rustic garnet]

These are max I think for the gaming bubbles

which are VERY achievable without the bits, btw

err

which are maybe not currently achievable

but not too far away from where you would be at with just red

[gentle anchor]

multikill per tier works for deathkill right

[haughty summit]

Well thats probbably verry true

[signal osprey]

Those numbers arent even close to achievable

[rustic garnet]

ok, well, my 3% spear damage

[gentle anchor]

ok is there a stat that increases the rare drops except drop rate %?

[rustic garnet]

3% bow damage

[haughty summit]

With nblb they are tho. But not with bits i guess

[gentle anchor]

like kill per kill or smth

[rustic garnet]

3% wand damage

[signal osprey]

I'm already in millions of red bits and I am a few powers of 10 bits away from upgrading those bubbles

And mine are like 150 from nblb

[rustic garnet]

and 105% sailing speed will just have to wait for NBLB

[dreamy spruce]

But the kraken bubble gives weapon power and lava says it's good for endgame. Did he lie to us?

[rustic garnet]

101.25%

[signal osprey]

Well not exactly

It used to be good

And then it was nerfed

[rustic garnet]

he nerfed weapon damage big time

[dreamy spruce]

Luck

[signal osprey]

So it was true at the time I guess

[dreamy spruce]

Ah

[gentle anchor]

isnt that drop rate too

[signal osprey]

Yeah luck gives you more drop rate and no theres no other stats that increase drops besides drop rate

[dreamy spruce]

Ah misunderstood

[gentle anchor]

almost unlocked nullo salt

[rustic garnet]

Is this entry wrong?

My level up gift % is 85% but the guide says 75% at 90 is max

there must be something missed here

oooh nm

[haughty summit]

Ehm. Are u sure your bubbles are not put at 90?

[signal osprey]

Your sheet isnt set to max

[rustic garnet]

it's not at max, yeah

sorry

the numbers for those bit bubbles are going to be way way higher

[signal osprey]

Level up gift caps at 90%

Not sure what level that equates to

[rustic garnet]

450 at least

maybe 900?

[signal osprey]

Err wait no I think its 100% is cap

Theres too many bubbles I dont remember anymore

[haughty summit]

Getting near max bubbles is just 99% max right?

[signal osprey]

Yeah

[signal osprey]

Realistically 95% though

[dreamy spruce]

95 is what I hear ppl going for

[haughty summit]

Yeah fair

[plush spear]

We can't get 2 presents?

[rustic garnet]

and 570 for 95%

[haughty summit]

2970 dam

[dreamy spruce]

He should've made 100% reachable:(

[haughty summit]

Thats quite a way to go

[rustic garnet]

This is my point!

These could be hard cappable at some ungodly high number

like 3k? C'mon

[signal osprey]

Generally speaking the level requirement doubles every time you cut the remaining % between you and 99% in half

[rustic garnet]

that's fun, hard, a long goal

[lament jasper]

few hours later, i had no points in plunderous mob bonus

[signal osprey]

So 80% to 90% is roughly double

Then 90% to 95%

[rustic garnet]

going half way up is double

[signal osprey]

So going from 95% to 99% is nearly 4x bubbles for barely any gain

So 95% is generally the max

[rustic garnet]

It's a good target

[devout warren]

This game is pretty disgusting at giving artifacts

[rustic garnet]

I'd say target everything up the same though

like.. take everything up to 75% first

[haughty summit]

Im working on my 90% first of all hah. Then 95 will come at a later time

[devout warren]

Out of 3, i always get the 2 bad ones then take weeks to get 3rd good one

[signal osprey]

Only bubbles you would every consider going past 95% on are hourly click ones

[rustic garnet]

then 85% then 90, then 92, then 95

sure

[signal osprey]

Because those are more or less free

[haughty summit]

We all have the same artifact luck i see

[rustic garnet]

hourly click are exceptions though

[signal osprey]

Assuming youre willing to do them that is

[rustic garnet]

they don't have any reason not to 'click'

[rustic garnet]

Got mine done today

[signal osprey]

98% hearty diggy soon

[haughty summit]

Been working on the bit multiplier eldritch on cloud island for roughly a week?

[rustic garnet]

the last one took me at least a month

[signal osprey]

And by soon I mean another 600 levels for that .29%

[devout warren]

Been trying to get the divinity gains and cooking gains artifact for weeks

[haughty summit]

I was at those 2 weeks ago hah

[devout warren]

Maybe 2 weeks from now i'll have both

I've done several hundred trips

[haughty summit]

Im betting 1 week

[rustic garnet]

I was on a lunch and learn checking my account and got it on one of hte first clicks, had to keep it down

[devout warren]

I have better odds of being hit by a bus than getting both in a week

[haughty summit]

Yeah thats dair

Fair*

[devout warren]

I won't unlock another island until i have both

[rustic garnet]

that's not a great strat btw

I'd suggest putting ships on the islands that they hit 2 hours

[devout warren]

I want the next island for +30% skill efficiency

[rustic garnet]

and pump artifacts that way

[devout warren]

My trips to first islands were 2h

Now they are like 7h to the cooking island

[edgy pine]

Man I kind of hate the kraken tower dude every time the bosses get to the boulders they get pushed back

[dreamy spruce]

Just keep your slower boats at lower islands

As long as you can check every ~4hours you want to be making 2h trips

4h trips if you check every 8hours etc

[tawdry steeple]

does snail reset to 10 if you're level 15 with atom at lvl15 threshold?

[gentle anchor]

should i reroll this?

[zinc torrent]

2 bubo or 2 es

[dreamy spruce]

2 es

[still apex]

Boss obols cost too much to be worth rerolling

[gentle anchor]

what stat does it reroll?

[dreamy spruce]

Pretty sure you wanne reroll kattle obol

[dreamy spruce]

Main goal is to get misc 1 higher than it drops at

[gentle anchor]

ok but not this moment?

[dreamy spruce]

It's not that great of an obol, you want to use dice instead usually

[gentle anchor]

dice?

[dreamy spruce]

Dice obol

From sand pots / snelbies

Dr

[gentle anchor]

ow ok

[signal osprey]

No. Assuming you have 3 points in atom you can't go below 15 assuming you reach it

[rustic garnet]

what is the cost for level 15 snail ?

(protection)

[rustic garnet]

it seems insanely good to me!

like, once you max your billion kills, sure

[signal osprey]

Don't remember the exact number but level 4 is gonna cost me 993k

[rustic garnet]

or if you want to push DR for something specific, but dropping .5 DR for 18% afk?

That's gonna get you 'more' in most situations if you have anyone doing afk stuff anywhere

you could also hot swap

[dreamy spruce]

I meant chiz obol being not that good, not kattle

[dapper prism]

Can always use the guaranteed drop calc to compare afk gain vs dr

[noble sable]

3 bubo

[signal osprey]

Pretty sure afk would win regardless of guaranteed drops because even though less DR means you need more kills having more afk means you also get more kills

[humble knoll]

does anyone know why on some characters king doot makes everyone present in the lab, but when i swap to a diff character they're all offline?

[dreamy spruce]

Need div lvl 2 on active char for doot to work

[humble knoll]

oooh ok ty

makes sense, BB hasnt been on div yet

[drifting breach]

!divinity

Damn

[rustic garnet]

Entirely correct on your part then

[gentle anchor]

what worlds should i first do when im going for vman

[signal osprey]

Shouldnt really make much of a difference as the multikill you get in one world wont affect the others and you need the same amount of kills regardless

[dapper prism]

Only strategy there is, is to pick a world and do the zones in order of highest kph. Like in w2 start with Sand giants/castles and stuff like that, in w1 you start with things like frogs/beans

Another thing would be to get everything up a bit equally to 1m first then 5m for the DN mk tiers

[quartz saffron]

Does anyone here have a screenshot of what for the optmized cogboard should look like?

[dapper prism]

It's on the doc:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml#

[quartz saffron]

thanks!

[fallen jacinth]

does baba yaga drop it egg in colosseum ?

wait so am i really unlucky ? spent 20 ticket and got nothing

[signal osprey]

Use DK instead of bubo. The orb applies to minibosses

[fallen jacinth]

i'm just lazy tho

but still 14x dr is not enough ?

[signal osprey]

Its just random. if you keep doing it youll likely get it sooner or later

But DK will make it a lot faster

[lapis orchid]

whats the best team setup for 9 avaible people, currently have es,bb,bubo,seige,dk,bm, and jm

[signal osprey]

Its usually recommended to go 2x DK, ES, and SB for your last 3 characters

[lapis orchid]

ok

[manic moat]

There needs to be a bubble that increases the speed of the pong paddle. I suck way too much to have a slow paddle.

[fallen jacinth]

wtf 10 more tickets and it still didn't drop ???

[scarlet bay]

crafting the final food bag is painful, i didn't think about the fact that i was gonna have to basically craft all the previous bags too

[ocean fox]

I wonder if two bubo is better with doot objectively

Wait nvm the wizard worship charge would best alchemy gains from shaman

[manic moat]

this?

[scarlet bay]

yeah

[manic moat]

you don't need the previous ones

[pearl cedar]

Es also gets more talent levels

[scarlet bay]

how am i gonna hold 2.5mil grilled cheese without the previous bag though lol

[manic moat]

stamps?

[scarlet bay]

no chance, i can hold about 400k food with the large food bag and my whole inventory clear, i can maybe bump that to 500k with stamps and the 2 inventory bags i'm missing

[dapper prism]

Mman talent, star talent

[grizzled elk]

take off -carry cap curse?

[dapper prism]

Don't need the 2nd last bag, but one of the other ones.

[fallen jacinth]

...

is this a bug

[manic moat]

There is this one too

[pearl cedar]

Doesn't matter now he crafted

[scarlet bay]

yeah, that's the one i need to make, but i don't have any cheese atm lol

which means 5 more days before i can craft it

[torn lagoon]

Been trying to leave my bubo active but my game keeps freezing up. I have autoloot and my inventory isn't filled up. Anyone else has this happen to them and knows whats going on?

[pearl cedar]

That happens but can't remember the cause

[manic moat]

yuck

[pearl cedar]

Try taking the skull talent off

Dunno if that's still a bug but it used to be

[dapper prism]

Nawh ive always had that max, never an issue

[vocal ibex]

406.659~687.783 im stuck on this damage for vman. . how much dmage is needed for worms? multi