lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[paper sail]

Please no, we already have Alchemy

[barren otter]

give us a slayer skill

[dapper prism]

Mhm, why slayer if you could have Necromancy

[paper sail]

Tax Filing skill coming in w6, specialty of the Death Bringer

[dapper prism]

But alchemy is a bit too efficient. we need a skill like potions to make potions to waste more bank space so that we are forced to buy more bank space...

[paper sail]

Meanwhile IS having no concept of limits

Including good limits to prevent overflows that bork your game permanently

[deft grail]

VMan Con exp is irrelevant right

👍

[vagrant mountain]

[crisp silo]

Did somebody say taxes?

[dapper prism]

You min max your copper btw?

Snapshot hp and stat gear etc

[vagrant mountain]

hell no

[dapper prism]

Takes like 30s

[crisp silo]

This is a true gamer

[vagrant mountain]

how much does that affect your sample

[signal osprey]

Time to run these on everyone and get that 1k total

[vagrant mountain]

idk if i can reach another hp tier

[dapper prism]

Mine went from 975 to 988m oak

Info + Vid here: #lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[vagrant mountain]

mining is better to snapshot right?

thx

ahh i dont have opals or even the 35% efficiency boots yet tbh

[dapper prism]

@signal osprey
Does Hearty Diggy only increase effy every power of 10 or is it just a calculation based on how far you are like everything else?

[signal osprey]

As far as I'm aware every single power of 10 bonus is calculated as log10

So basically partial credit counts

[dapper prism]

Yeh so any hp would help, power of 10 itself would be irrelevant

[dapper prism]

^

[signal osprey]

Going from 100k mana to 200k mana will give you efficiency even though the next power is 1m mana

[vagrant mountain]

true

[signal osprey]

Same for hp

And for every other power of 10 in the game

[vagrant mountain]

i just dont really have any impactful sources of stat/hp/mp boosts

my golden jam stack is 2k

[signal osprey]

Just do cards then

They're the easiest to swap and the offer the biggest bonuses with the %hp and mp cards

[sharp vine]

Man God bless fishing island

[vagrant mountain]

hehe might have to buy another card set

[sharp vine]

Went from like 2mil xp an hour to 102mil

[signal osprey]

I'm looking forward to getting fishing island just for cards

And not because I want the fishing cards

But because I lost my 4* hard resources when he added them

[sharp vine]

Tbh the fishing cards are also pretty nice

[signal osprey]

Gimme my 2% afk back man

[pearl cedar]

On which char?

[sharp vine]

Vman, the one that matters lol

[pearl cedar]

I can get 20m/hr on vman and like 40m/hr on bb

[barren otter]

@dapper prism did you send your chems?

[pearl cedar]

But haven't unlocked seasalt yet

[dapper prism]

Just started a few mins ago, did 2 chems, got another 2 chems from water/log over time, so 4 chems and like 4 or 5 logs already xD

[signal osprey]

Are those rates with event food too?

[pearl cedar]

So maybe can expect 1b/hr on vman. Ugh may be worth unlocking

[signal osprey]

If not then my vman is shit

[pearl cedar]

Of course why would I not use event food

[signal osprey]

Just making sure

I haven't done much fishing recently so not sure what people were getting for exp

[pearl cedar]

Only reason I know is cause I was pushing fishing to 110, but seems pointless now

[signal osprey]

Yeah I'm definitely waiting if 1m can go to 100m lol

[pearl cedar]

Now I'm dedicated to catching, but that's starting to slow down a bit

[signal osprey]

I know I can do at least 10m because that's about where I was last time I fished

Almost certainly higher now with afk inflation

Whats the catching up to?

[pearl cedar]

128

[sharp vine]

I have max fishing cards pre-salt island but no ancient/Eldritch treasure for the w1-3 skill eff and my stamps/alch are kinda bad for fishing specifically but yeah while I was grinding levels for skill mastery I think I was getting like 1.8mil xp on Vman per hour

[pearl cedar]

19b with full ccd. Though not awful cause I get like 500m/hr

[signal osprey]

Yeah it gets a little slow but it hasnt been too bad so far. Granted I'm only 124 still

[barren otter]

how did you guys go about rubying all the easy resources cards?

[signal osprey]

I've been sidetracked doing some mining and chopping with it while ccding so not as focused on catching as I probably should be

Candy

[pearl cedar]

Problem is I like to double up on ccd so I have been having to afk for 24+ hrs to get the 2 levels

[barren otter]

i just checked on vman on copper and 1hr gets me 140 cards

[crisp silo]

Lots of candy

[barren otter]

id have to dump a ton of candy to ruby out all of easy resources

[signal osprey]

Yeah I always double up on ccd too. I like not changing tasks as often

[pearl cedar]

Yeah saves event food too

[signal osprey]

I mean you could just farm them. I did afk some of the chopping ones with ES

I just candied a lot of them

[barren otter]

fair enough yea

[serene solstice]

what can you super chow again?

[signal osprey]

I'm hoping by 130 catching and 120 mason jar I will be close enough to finish multitool with just bugsack upgrades but I think that might be a little bit too optimistic lol

[crisp silo]

So long as it has its own map, it can be superchowed

[pearl cedar]

Defacus room, acorn below sticks, rift, and technically boops and uh gmush at doot

[crisp silo]

Including the single nutto at thr acorn soul tower

[serene solstice]

the gmush at doot afk killable or is it active killing?

[pearl cedar]

Active

[signal osprey]

Active. Its the least feasible on the list

I dont think anyone has done it yet

[serene solstice]

it does respawn tho right?

[signal osprey]

Yeah it respawns and some people have normal chowed it

[pearl cedar]

Have not verified if you can do the mimic at butterfly map but I don't think so

[opaque sun]

you can technically kill the gmush on DK using its respawn, and then switch to bb

[crisp silo]

Active BB

[opaque sun]

but just using the respawn keychain and divine scarf on bb is good enough

[pearl cedar]

Maybe bb elite elite will get a respawn mechanic

[serene solstice]

hmmm okay thx

[opaque sun]

code digger said it didnt count

[pearl cedar]

They have to keep some secrets for themselves

[serene solstice]

and I only see those done trough the talent right?

[opaque sun]

theoretically you can kill the solo mimic way faster on a DK throwing boomerangs. But else its Bb using combustion

Rough math i think it was like it would take like 20 days of your little brother clicking in flame and combust talent

[serene solstice]

nuttos under sticks is a little bit hard....

184k kills per hour

xD

[pearl cedar]

Just wait until your kills are better

Unless it is your last mob

[signal osprey]

It'll always be slow though just keep that in mind. Kph is partly based on mob count and theres literally one mob on the map lol

[pearl cedar]

Can't remember what my kph was when I did it

[serene solstice]

this is rift

[crisp silo]

Which rift

[signal osprey]

Think I was like 280k or something for acorn

[serene solstice]

I needed to know the part of rift before progessing so much

its rift 46

[crisp silo]

Damn

[pearl cedar]

Same but that was pre companions

God could've saved so much candy

[serene solstice]

alright ig I finish w5 now and go for the annoying one later

[barren otter]

so whats the actual max superchow count?

[signal osprey]

Yeah the new respawn chains with kruk neck and obols too

So much kph

[pearl cedar]

Actual max is 71

[signal osprey]

71 normal/69 super

[pearl cedar]

What everyone gets is 69

[signal osprey]

Technically you can do boop and doot shroom but those take way too long

[opaque sun]

Doot shroom is realm of doable, boop not really doable

[barren otter]

and the 2 non shit doable ones are just the acorns and?

[pearl cedar]

Doot one I don't think would take too long anymore like a week maybe?

[crisp silo]

The mimic

[signal osprey]

Dr defecaus and acorn TD

[opaque sun]

doot shroom is basically juat like 1/14 rate of active chow at w1, so its not too bad

[signal osprey]

Mimic isnt possible

[pearl cedar]

I mean not worth but feasible

[crisp silo]

Oh i cant read

Dang

[barren otter]

man

i was happy cause ithought i was almost done

and then you guys had this conversation i just had to read it

[signal osprey]

Dr D and acorns can be candied though

So youre still almost done

[barren otter]

oh

right i forgot about that

[signal osprey]

And Dr D is actually kind of okay kph too. Acorn pretty low though

[pearl cedar]

Wish there was a way to check how much gmush you've done at doot

[barren otter]

the only way to keep track of the 100mil is just manually adding myself?

[opaque sun]

but candy able, so the difficulty of the map is kind of irrelevant

[signal osprey]

Just do it in one session and check your super chow counter in game

[opaque sun]

Looking at zow and normal chow kind of acts like a check point

But else need to use external source like IE to check your current kills i suppose

[barren otter]

i kinda went ham earlier candying easy resource cards

lol

so uh those 2 chows will have to be another day

[signal osprey]

Well you can check your kph and see if you have the candy for them

[solid epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/84yVual.png

[solid epoch]

idk why its buggin out like this, i have 106M kills on neyeptunes too

[signal osprey]

IE only shows chows not super chows and IT doesnt count those two. It caps at 67 mobs

[barren otter]

oh Dr D room is doable

with my current candy supply

acorns td room aint happening though

[signal osprey]

The blank spaces with 0 and the neyeptunes are just bugs and can be ignored

You're missing boops and rift

[opaque sun]

The 999 neyeptune i think was a static place holder for chiz fight orbs

[solid epoch]

oh ok

https://i.imgur.com/ctjUusH.png

im gonna wait on rift

till i get to multikill

[opaque sun]

good luck getting 28T damage

[solid epoch]

maybe like 2-3 weeks if all goes well

ive been spamming base dmg bubble lol

[opaque sun]

you be done with rift chow by the time you get multikill

[barren otter]

oh wait...

i ignored superchow rift

and got to 46

i do not have 28T dmg...

[signal osprey]

Its possible to maximize rift kph a lot more than his pic

[opaque sun]

28T damage just isnt going to happen with a few base damage bubble

[signal osprey]

I had like 700k I think with no multikill on rift 46

[solid epoch]

yeah my guy is unoptimal for sure

[barren otter]

yea thats what im at

[dapper prism]

My MK kph was 2m+ at r31, didnt do it, pushed to either r41 or r46 and had to do it at 650k+/-

[signal osprey]

Yeah mine was pre krukflation too

1m is honestly probably doable now

[little pagoda]

Is rift killcount added between all rifts or is it different for every level?

[signal osprey]

Its 1 total chow

[opaque sun]

its all rifts

So best done early if possible

[barren otter]

its 112 hrs to finish rift super chow for me

idk about all that

[dapper prism]

Chows are always mapbased, not technically mobs. So any map that has a type of mob (like the solo nutto in tree) can be chowed

[signal osprey]

Its worth it

[fathom lagoon]

Oh shit good to know

[signal osprey]

The alternative to chowing is cooking

[little pagoda]

I think chow you end up getting it naturally on the afk kills ones right? Super chows is a different story

[signal osprey]

And chowing makes all future cooking more efficient

[opaque sun]

Even at max rift with no multikill, its very doable by just afk for a week or two

[fathom lagoon]

Wait wtf? Didn’t know that, so solo nutto in the tree is it’s own chow separate from the nutto map

[signal osprey]

Also try adding more move speed pots

For some reason rift has stupid high kill cap and movespeed is more impactful than on any other map

[barren otter]

that 750k kph was with the above

[opaque sun]

That is why we just were talking about Dr Def brown poops and acorn td acorn

[fathom lagoon]

Is it possible to find out how many solo nutto kills you got ?

[fathom lagoon]

Yea I stepped in late makes sense tho that’s crazy

[dapper prism]

Which is possible to do, even mimic at dg would be one, but impossible to do due to dungeon hp/dmg cap you'd be at that mimic forever. But there's a few things like that. Believe poop at dr defa is one too?

[opaque sun]

Normally you would have 0 as you never farm there

[signal osprey]

I think youre missing a few gold kebabs

[opaque sun]

so just super chow at acorn and dr def in one setting

[fathom lagoon]

Wow yea and then the frogs at d1 and sheep at d3. Holy hell lmao

[signal osprey]

But other than that yeah looks good. Maybe a small move speed pot if youre willing to give up hampters

[barren otter]

i dont want to do that daily anymore

[signal osprey]

W2 colo

[dapper prism]

Yeh but as said, dungeon ones = pretty much impossible

[signal osprey]

You get like 80 kebabs a run or something like that

[solid epoch]

this was my 347k

[opaque sun]

code digger said the solo mimic and dungeon lobby mobs doesnt seem to count

[dapper prism]

oh okay

[opaque sun]

You can go defiant and try, but i wouldnt risk

[pearl cedar]

Colo counts.... until you log out lol

[junior arrow]

i kinda come into this convo late, so all the extra zow/chow/super chow mobs that arent shown in toolbox are:
poop in Dr D map
acorn at the worship map (bottom of tree)
hidden mushroom in doots room
is that all of them or did i miss some?

[opaque sun]

and rift

Well toolbox shows them i guess

[junior arrow]

yea i was just wondering about the ones that arent listed, so its just the 3 then?

[opaque sun]

So those 3 are the common missable ones and doable ones

[swift pecan]

FINALLY a green cap

[crisp silo]

Buy it

[opaque sun]

doot gmush being the borderline of ‘doable, but i wouldnt’

[signal osprey]

So what you're saying is I need to max all possible cooking bonuses and then get like 500k ladles so I can super chow colo and do one massive cooking session

[pearl cedar]

Need a lot of tickets for w2 and 3

[opaque sun]

Super chow is mostly a candy content (except for w5)

[nova heath]

yuh

[opaque sun]

I would never use irl afk time to do w1-w4 super chow

[junior arrow]

isnt the gmush a single mob? and being in doots map i figured you cant candy

is it really doable

[crisp silo]

Chow is map basrd

[opaque sun]

Its still doable considering its just like a 1/14 rate of active chowing at green meadows

[vocal ibex]

For the bottom left bubble. Is it for the buggle there ? Like does it take less or is it from the actual bubbles that take materials to upgrade all bubbles ?

[opaque sun]

But as i said, i wouldnt do it

[signal osprey]

Its doable if you're willing to wait a couple weeks so probably not worth it

But yes technically doable

[solid epoch]

i did all my super chows afk no candy, took a while lol

[junior arrow]

so you would need to active afk in doots map to do it?

[crisp silo]

Like which bubble

[opaque sun]

And need to use doot key every time you switch characters

[nova heath]

why did my frog kph go from 40k to 20k

[signal osprey]

It lowers the material cost of bubbles in that cauldron

[opaque sun]

Logging out at doot kicks you out of the boss map

[vocal ibex]

Look

[junior arrow]

and you cant track your kills so you eventually go insane unsure how long you have left haha

[vocal ibex]

This is a bubble does it decrease that material ? Orrr

Does it apply a reduction to the 4 right there

In the couldron bubble

[signal osprey]

It decreases the materials for the bubbles themselves

[vocal ibex]

Brother which bubble itself

[opaque sun]

Its the high priority upgrade

[signal osprey]

All of them in that cauldron

[vocal ibex]

I need a juan explanation lol

[opaque sun]

The other 3 is just for unlocking bubbles

[vocal ibex]

Ahh okay u said couldron okay

I understand now it applied a reduction to the 4 in the couldron

[crisp silo]

Dang bro has the full set of prem caldurons

[vocal ibex]

Not the bubble which cost snowman

[dapper prism]

Boosts*

[junior arrow]

well i get about 8m gmush kills an hour so i just divide that by 14 right? so about 571k an hour or 175 hours.... i mean.... kinda tempting haha

[opaque sun]

Well, recently cost reduction isn’t necessary a good thing in alchemy sadly

[vocal ibex]

Why not ?

[opaque sun]

Active kills are much slower than afk

[vocal ibex]

Should I upgrade speed only and chance ?

[opaque sun]

so you need to get a stop watch and check how many physical kills you get, and multiply that with the multikill and kpk bonuses

[narrow sable]

i just got VMAN should i just have him start grinding out skills now they are all ~35-40 in level

[junior arrow]

i can use the w2 kill ring to boost it a little, but yea overall its going to take a very long time

[paper sail]

Basically haven't touched skills since unlocking Maestro?

[narrow sable]

perhaps

[opaque sun]

1/14 of gmush meadow afk isnt a good info to compare for an active kill

[signal osprey]

Its probably a solid 2 weeks of shroom killing for a decent end game BB

[errant stratus]

when farming boss's is it better farm normal/chaotic or save up for a nightmare run?

[solid epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/XkjErXo.png

almost able to move my ES to another spot

guess i gotta get to 1010M tho

[paper sail]

I'd at least get points into Enhance Eclipse if you can, to buff the 3 Vman talents. That'll help catch up skilling much faster

[opaque sun]

Kind of depends on what ls your goal

If like say kattle cape (trophy), you have to do it on nightmare

if for gems, normal spam

[narrow sable]

huge

[opaque sun]

if say you want the gear, lower difficulties have better drop chance per key used ratio, but uses lot of irl time

Nightmare has the worst gear drop chance per key used ratio, but saves lot of your irl time

[little harbor]

just got this stamp. how big a difference will this make? worth resampling everything?

[marsh knot]

Does move speed have a hard/soft cap?

[errant stratus]

like i want w4 troll boss's fishing lure atm

[paper sail]

Possibly tied for most important stamp in the game now

[opaque sun]

The physical speed to move around caps at 350% i think

[little harbor]

oh wow. whats the other one that is so good?

[opaque sun]

But for buffs that looks at move speed isnt capped

[paper sail]

Crystallin

[fathom lagoon]

Holy shit man, gotta love rng. After 2 weeks of sending all my boats to fury, finally unlocked normal fury yest — got too lazy to switch all my boats up and fuckin got ancient today 😭😭 life’s good

[marsh knot]

oh i reach 350 with one potion 550 with 3 of them so should i get rid of the other 2 then?

[opaque sun]

Move speed is still a very good source of damage

[little harbor]

Nice. I just got my max library level from 160 to 195. what is the first few things i should book? Already did Tentacle for bubo, now what?

[marsh knot]

this is for my meastro btw

[opaque sun]

Ironically, it tends to add more damage than damage potions

[paper sail]

CC and Aura too

[opaque sun]

Even for a non-SB

Even past 350%, its okay to go past that for damage

[junior arrow]

bonuses calculate from your real move speed, its just the visual movespeed for running around is capped

[marsh knot]

Ah alright cool ill keep them on along with my exp potions then i guess

[paper sail]

EXP Potions are pretty crappy, as a note

[opaque sun]

its a flat addition that ignores food effect buffs

[solid epoch]

for straight dmg i like to use the event speed food instead of the small pot

gives like a 20-25% dmg boost when i equip these speed pots on ES

[opaque sun]

Unless otherwise, speed potions tends to be bis even if move speed is visually capped

[marsh knot]

oh been runnning golden grilled cheese avarage potent and decent speed and 2 exp potions lol

[solid epoch]

golden grilled cheese is real bad compared to kebab

[opaque sun]

also spread golden hampters around

[marsh knot]

alright cool will do ... on a side note is there a way to mass farm kababs

[solid epoch]

if i equip all my golden grilled cheese i get like a 0.1% dmg boost, whereas 1 singular golden kebab is 1.3% lol

[rugged thistle]

whats the best orb kill farming map?

[opaque sun]

Not really a reliable way to auto farm kebabs

[marsh knot]

damn didnt think so but i had hope lol

[opaque sun]

Oj and wurms goes up to like 900 orb kills per duration

[solid epoch]

i havent ever farmed kebabs, is it just colo?

[marsh knot]

i think i got mine from colo and picnic

and i rarly do either of them

[opaque sun]

Colo, po box, daily picnic quest

[solid epoch]

oh yeah i need to do picnic at some point. still never got the king of food trophy

[marsh knot]

yea i did it for like 5 days n stoped lol

[opaque sun]

grilled cheese is just insanely easier to farm, so despite not as effective as a kebab, its easy to amass grilled cheese

[solid epoch]

if only kebabs were that easy

[granite grove]

also has extra utility as bonus coins from bubbles, but yeah kebabs are best for dmg

[noble night]

Just got to w5 do I push or skill and focus on getting w4 weapons?

[marsh knot]

uh id push to at least moles imo

if you can

[dapper prism]

Divinity, check pins.

[granite grove]

rush bear/Arctis god before anything else in w5 iirc

also check sailing and gaming

[livid raft]

ye.. need more kebabs 😦

[gentle anchor]

is there somewhere an estimate when world 6 will come out?

[marsh knot]

oh yea forgot about gods after i whaled on pets like an idiot

[dapper prism]

No, but we had a tiny roadmap and we are getting 2 classes before w6 i think

[gentle anchor]

ok

roadmap?

[granite grove]

hope lava reworks BB and BM before 2nd batch of elite class but need copium

[opaque sun]

W6 probably christmas or early 2024 considering past lava’s update frequency

[pearl cedar]

Ok will see how this goes overnight

[opaque sun]

#💖future-content-blog message

[vagrant mountain]

hourly club 😎|| ignore catching and fishing samples||

[opaque sun]

hourly catching and fishing for fmj/shaquracy is important now with shimmer trials

[signal osprey]

Not hourly clicking krakens smh

[junior arrow]

387 hours of time candy gone but arcon in the TD map is now superchowed haha

[vagrant mountain]

should i try to squeeze in bihourly cranium clicks into my printer?

or farm atoms

[pearl cedar]

Have you finished fluoride?

[vagrant mountain]

nope

[pearl cedar]

Fluoride more important than random bubbles imho

[vagrant mountain]

ok

makes sense

[pearl cedar]

Like maybe do the 3 bubble 1s and cranium or something or a couple that use bugs

[vagrant mountain]

im doing the bubble 1s and hearty diggy

and iron ore for smithing

[pearl cedar]

Do we know if this updates on map refresh or on completion?

[solid epoch]

workin on FMJ with my SB but it takes like 5 hrs per click. wonder if its worth trying to sample fruitflies on my beastmaster too to speed it up. only problem is it doesnt have catching talent boosts so itll prob be garbage

i only got 1 siegebreaker

[opaque sun]

beast master catching doesnt add much

[vagrant mountain]

you get about 50% of your catching samples on BM but what else are you gonna use him for

[opaque sun]

Do you like have 2 bm for some reason?

[solid epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/IVx8Ld3.png

thats my lineup

[vagrant mountain]

lol

[opaque sun]

Oh, the 4 warrior is meta gen chat style

[pearl cedar]

On map refresh or when it is done?

[noble bronze]

A lot a ladles

[pearl cedar]

Trying to Guage how long 100m will take based on long it takes me to get 1m

[solid epoch]

yeah kinda wish my 2nd barb was a siegebreaker now but whatever

[opaque sun]

super chow needed a map refresh i think

[pearl cedar]

What about regular chow

[junior arrow]

i just did some super chows, it showed up after a couple of seconds, didnt need to refresh map

[pearl cedar]

Cool

[vagrant mountain]

anybody know how much money multi you need for starfire coin drops on wurms

[versed cypress]

a few billion gmush kills

[vagrant mountain]

thats like me asking how tall you are and you saying 'a few feet'

[solid epoch]

somewhere between 1B and 1000B gmush

[versed cypress]

cant really give you a correct answer cause ppl have different multis aside from gmush to add to it so it varies from person to person, id say go for however much you feel comfortable 5B woul dbe a good start

[vagrant mountain]

great chat

[opaque sun]

I dunno, you are asking like in feet where the common unit is miles

[vagrant mountain]

no one looks at this i guess?

[opaque sun]

Also your dr kind of affects it as well

[vagrant mountain]

DR is in the calc

[junior arrow]

there are so many variables in this game, asking a question like that will always give you a vague answer

[signal osprey]

Problem is that most of end game has been dropping starfire for months so its kinda hard to remember what money multi it started at

[opaque sun]

also on what class to active on

[vagrant mountain]

all the variables are in the money multi calc

[opaque sun]

Like dk and bubo get comparable money, but compared to bm and bb that gets almost near nothing money

[vagrant mountain]

but i guess everyone talks about money in terms of gmush kills

[stray adder]

Question. I'm about to unlock W5, and have just unlocked my 10th Character. Do I need another worship mage to get the divine bonuses?

(I have both specs of all 3 classes, a Maestro, an extra Divine Knight, and an extra Bubonic.)

Should I focus on another bug catcher? A 2nd maestro?

[opaque sun]

Well what color money you getting now. And you will just need like 100x more to get to next tier color

[vagrant mountain]

think i dropped lustre starting at 10m multi does 1b money multi sound about right for starfire?

[nova heath]

how do i increase my chest loot pile size

[signal osprey]

1b sounds pretty high

[opaque sun]

i got 28b gmush and its starfire from wurms, dreadlo from crystals

[signal osprey]

It should be soone rthan that

[vagrant mountain]

ok ty

[signal osprey]

I would guess probably around 200-300m would be around the starting point but again its been a little bit

[vagrant mountain]

that sounds more reasonable or at least its a starting goal heh

gonna need roughly 2000 hours of candy

[pearl cedar]

What's your kph on gmush?

[vagrant mountain]

4m

[signal osprey]

Do you have doot?

[vagrant mountain]

read my name

[opaque sun]

could be a /s

[granite grove]

very surely and totally does not own doot

[signal osprey]

Getting a few div levels and big p levels for harriep minor link will do you a lot of good. Still missing quite a bit of multi from that assuming you have doot

[pearl cedar]

Then push some other stuff cause 4m/hr is smol

[signal osprey]

Also your jawbreaker isn't maxed

[vagrant mountain]

oh yeah good point

[signal osprey]

Do those two things and you'll double your current multi without a single gmush

[opaque sun]

jawbreaker and hare god (div levels) is an immediate impact as its an independent multiplier

[signal osprey]

After that yeah its mostly gmush

[vagrant mountain]

whats a good number to push gmush then

[opaque sun]

you never stop gmush

[signal osprey]

And alch too. The money per stat bubble combined with bub le 1 is the next best cash multi after gmush

[formal swift]

12M is ok

[opaque sun]

Its one of the few linear growing thing, so dont stop

[pearl cedar]

10m+ for lategame probably 20m+ for endgame

For candying

[opaque sun]

In a way, the gmush bonus growth gets better and better as you get more kph

[pearl cedar]

Otherwise topbird is right, better to just sit an SB on gmush

[opaque sun]

I got most of the multikill stuff and at 20m/hr gmush

[vagrant mountain]

right, use candy on eclipse?

[opaque sun]

In zones where candies can be used, always use them

[pearl cedar]

If your gmush is only at 4m/hr then likely not worth candying eclipses

[opaque sun]

5m/hr gmush was when i started eclipse as that was like the effective cap at the time

[vagrant mountain]

damn

[opaque sun]

Soon we will be doing 100m/hr in a upadate or two

[pearl cedar]

Contrary to popular belief Doot does not in fact make you endgame

[signal osprey]

Gets you close though

[vagrant mountain]

doot is just a catch up mechanic

accelerates you to endgame

[pearl cedar]

Oh for sure

[granite grove]

what? doot doesnt give 1 quadrillion base damage along with all gods unlocked?

[signal osprey]

Accelerates your game period. End gamers with doot click twice as many bubbles a day than I can do and I do it pretty seriously

Feels kinda shitty but whatever

[vagrant mountain]

true but endgame is a min maxer's game

i differentiate late game and endgame where endgame you have basically finished all the content and are just juicing

[granite grove]

doot helps a ton with frequent printer omni procs if checking every 1hr ig

[opaque sun]

it doesnt give you that, but you need doot to eventually reach that in timely fashion

[granite grove]

its joke at ppl who thought doot makes w2 player instantly endgame

doesnt change the fact that doot benefits are busted though in terms of accelerated progress

[opaque sun]

some noobs took it as a troll, but the advice of “if you just reached w5, first thing you should do is restart an account to reroll for doot” is a legit advice

[granite grove]

gonna have to retry and w5 speedrun for average of 1k times

[vagrant mountain]

i think there used to be a doot rerolling guide but it got taken down lol

[opaque sun]

doot reroll itself is quite easy

if you just reached w5, the time you spent is nothing worth compared to what doot offers

[vagrant mountain]

yeah the part that amazes me is that it got taken down, like lava actually didnt see this coming when he implemented the feature

[granite grove]

just have >100 little brothers, or virtually infinite patience

also iirc needs at least lv10 char to roll for pet, right?

[vagrant mountain]

doot definitely speeds up your game by at least 2x

if not 4x

[gentle anchor]

is the 'defeat chaotic chizoar without taking dmg' task bugged?

[granite grove]

cant get hit at all even if the dmg deals 0 damage

[vagrant mountain]

yeah but it takes like 10 mins? you just multiclient and do 10 at a time

[opaque sun]

doot alone is like a ascension worthy buff in other incremental games

[granite grove]

need better pc here because mine starts to lag with browser, discord, and game running at the same time

[gentle anchor]

ill wont wear amor than ill see if im taking dmg

[granite grove]

its less of taking no damage, but more of not getting hit at all

[vagrant mountain]

just one shot it ez

[granite grove]

just use long range skill like ES bolt, DK shockwave, or SB cannons or sth

[gentle anchor]

i did it

i used ES talents

[vagrant mountain]

gj

you are being promoted to Lilbin420

[opaque sun]

being able to one shot boss helps with the dont get hit one

[solid epoch]

i know there used to be a dmg amount that would get you shadowbanned, is there a new limit? if so how much

1Q? 100Q?

[plush spear]

Hmm something fishy goin on here

[solid epoch]

nah im not close just wondering

i just barely hit 10T, been working on quickslap tho and its ramping hard so if i kept going for a month id be worried if the limit was 1Q

[granite grove]

some ppl already reach 1Q dmg legit, but dunno the shadowban limit

[plush spear]

If ppl playing legit why they afraid getting shadowbanned though

Just sayin man

[vagrant mountain]

imagine playing the game legit

[solid epoch]

because that was a valid concern a long time ago even for legit players

[vagrant mountain]

i put my siblings on 12 hr shifts

[granite grove]

quick slap damage scales quite hard

[solid epoch]

they would decrease dmg to avoid shadowban

[granite grove]

some ppl got auto shadowbanned back then in w3 then the lv limit is like 150 or 200 or sth

[solid epoch]

just wondering if anyone knows the dmg limit

[gaunt shale]

yeh, wouldnt be the first time legit players got shadowbanned

[vagrant mountain]

step 1: go to orphanage and adopt children
step 2: teach them how hourly click works
step 3: ???
step 4: profit

[opaque sun]

its just a little brother who keeps clicking despite the game has been whitescreened

[vagrant mountain]

sounds like your little brother could be a bot

[granite grove]

no, he just likes playing computer games

[opaque sun]

When the clicking rhythm goes out of sync, you wake up and beat the crap out of him. But the discord rule doesnt disallow that

[vagrant mountain]

PUNCH YOU PUNCH MISSED PUNCH TWO PUNCH CLICKS

[obsidian nacelle]

Can someone explain to me how to pen farm with DK?
I’m about to unlock the atom that changes pens to boxes but only have about 50 or so saved pens and don’t wanna get caught lacking 😅

[fallen flax]

Which alchemy bubbles and stamps should I be focusing on? I can post IE if needed.

[fallen flax]

Basically get your crystals chance up as far as you can and then go actively farm a flat map with a lot of mobs, like bloody bones area in world 3. Choco chip from lab helps immensly if you have it.

[fallow elbow]

whats the most accuracy I'll need in w5?

[solid epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/ppywsER.png

[marble pagoda]

hi! is there a list of all the sources of bit multiplier?

[fallow elbow]

kk, thx

[solid epoch]

np

[solid epoch]

oh yeah if its a crystal on final map then multiply by 2.5X too. though if you are that far in w5 you prob wont have accuracy problems

[solid epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/u0OVzNx.png

[fallow elbow]

I just got vman so I don't think ill have any accuracy probs for a good bit. And I won't be figthing w5 crystals for a little while as well so Im fine

[solid epoch]

yeah and to even get that far in w5 u will want to be at a dmg level to attain multikill, so by the time u get that dmg accuracy doesnt matter at all

[marble pagoda]

thank you!! do you have the link to this?

[solid epoch]

https://idleoninsight.com/

[tawny jacinth]

This damn blossom is gonna get boosted so hard

[cedar sun]

how often does atom collider convert?

[opaque sun]

Like almost immediately or so. Its more of when ever items go past the threshold, which is usually your print cycle (every hour)

When you manually deposit item from your inventory to storage, for a moment you can have 1050m+ in the chest

[cedar sun]

So then it is suboptimal to be printing more than 60m/hr of any mat?

[opaque sun]

why would it be sub optimal. Like what is your goal

Any excess of 1b of printed mat just turns into particles, which still has uses

[cedar sun]

actually I'm just a bit confused. If the threshold is set to 1050m, when the print occurs does it still print however much it should and then get instantly converted into atoms and whatever excess <10m gets lost?

[opaque sun]

If a single oak can cover the particle generarion, that mean you can change other printer slots for hourly bubble clicks of other mats

Excess over 1050m gets converted to particles

Excess of 9m still gets converted in decimal particles, so you dont have to worry of being exact units of 10m

Atom threshold of 1050m (which is exact same of turned off) means any stack in chest with more than 1050m immediately converts the excess to particles. Threshold of 15m means any excess in chest more than 15m gets converted to particles.

Just know that atom collider was introduced as a countermeasure to fix mobile’s item overflow issue that couldn’t handle integers over 2.1b

[drifting breach]

How do I make bubo good at money farming rn my siege breaker doing way better

[opaque sun]

It was a way to add a cap to storage inventory since mobile people actually lost stacks of oaks that overflowed into a negative. And atom collider was a way to not punish endgamers who regularly produced more than 2.1b stuff

[opaque sun]

Use melee weapon. Get crystal chance higher. Dont put every skill in hotbar.

[drifting breach]

🙏

Wait what melee on lampars and shit?

[opaque sun]

If any, DK should be making more money than SB

[cedar sun]

I guess I should preface. My copper prints are 157m and oaks are at 184m. I feel like my atoms are so slow to accumulate that I'm trying to make sure that I'm not doing something wrong T_T

[opaque sun]

bubo’s best attack is the aura. But if you use wands, aura doesnt proc as often due to the short trigger range

[drifting breach]

I think I understnad

[opaque sun]

Also do on better maps like oj or wurms as bubo effectivity is very affected by mob population

[drifting breach]

Ok

[granite grove]

if purely for bubo CC and not accounting for opportunity cost OJ juice or keys, which is better? OJ or wurms

[thin kernel]

i will say oj if purely cc

[opaque sun]

wurms is more populated so it gets more cc in my experience

[wanton obsidian]

Just got to lvl 150 on mman

[lapis mesa]

congrats

[wanton obsidian]

Should I halt all I'm doing and focus on getting vman?

[granite grove]

imo no, dont reallocate all for vman, you need strong stats to make use of speedruns and high cooking/worship/trapping level for vman to start be useful, vman is kinda a late bloomer

ofc could use 1 or 2 char to do death notes meanwhile

like, push for vman, but not at a cost of sacrificing all character progress

[finite cosmos]

does goharu stack with arctis to make ES always have passive divinity

[opaque sun]

Goat needs physical presence in lab

[finite cosmos]

tragic

[opaque sun]

arctis doesnt count as physical presence

[finite cosmos]

what do you guys use on ES

[opaque sun]

Unless stuck in lab, ES should be printing logs as hare + arctis. Else hare omni and stuck in lab

[finite cosmos]

my ES is also my map pusher

[opaque sun]

Do note that “all characters” affecting minor link bonus doesnt work if equipped on talent as the game doesnt check for those afk guys equipped as 2nd god

[finite cosmos]

ohh really?

[opaque sun]

If you have a choice, use family wide affecting minor link as main god

[granite grove]

Bear + Harriep/Nobisect
Harriep + Bear/Omniphau

Bear first if needing to be flexible while having lab active, Harriep for always x3 print with money minor link

[finite cosmos]

i just unlocked goat for the first time

no elephant yet. im throwing all my characters into lab with goat aside from my ES and BB

[worldly bluff]

spooky

[finite cosmos]

my lab levels are super low

thats impressive

one day

[worldly bluff]

noo the mysterious name being meat grinder D:

[rotund rivet]

Hello, do you guys have a list of what are the important critters? I can't find any from pins

[viral snow]

The ones you need for your bubbles/vials you want to upgrade next

[wanton obsidian]

Would it be viable to place my BB as well? Since it also befits from the bubble

[granite grove]

depends on crafting recipe or bubble/vials, but you always at least want have some mouses or scorpions to keep refinery running

[opaque sun]

usually BB is worth less than a single exp cog

[finite cosmos]

do you guys connect nobisect for vman

[opaque sun]

if aiming for speed run best portal as possible yes

Else no reason to do nobi on vman

[vocal ibex]

Is memebe outfit top and head better than chizoar for vman?

Gives xp instead of damage

[wanton obsidian]

Well if you need xp?

[vocal ibex]

Probably xp better

So he gets higher lvl more skill pints your right

Thanks

[wanton obsidian]

Well if you don't need dmg/defence then yeah go for it yk?

[opaque sun]

it does give exp, but being additive its quite negligible

[vocal ibex]

I went ahead and made a chiz head and appearance the members gives me slightly not really noticeable more damage

• the xp. So I'm keep the head. I'm check chest now

Mm not sure what's faster. I know you guys are way ahead so is damage better than 15 xp? I loose xp but gain damage

Maybe it's too minimal and shouldn't even bother asking

[opaque sun]

If its one shotting enemies, any more damage doesnt do anything

If a damage allows you to one shot an enemy that you would two shot other wise, needs like 500% exp to overcome the potential loss

[vocal ibex]

I got lots of work to do on vman. He xant multi yet not even moles

Appreciate u bird

[opaque quest]

Uh question why am I unable to link to a god? I keep clicking on it trying to link to it but it won't let me

[vocal ibex]

Post ss. Maybe your out of tries

[opaque quest]

If you mean me I don't know how because this character has never been linked to a god

[opaque quest]

But here's the screenshot

[vocal ibex]

Get on the prayer alter

Click it

[modern plaza]

yo im already praying for more companions

[thin kernel]

does the shrines have a "max" lvl ?

[opaque quest]

Ohh. Okay in my defense we haven't had to do anything like that before. But that also makes total sense

[granite grove]

no

[thin kernel]

great 😄

[vocal ibex]

Hit the link or unlink. Make sure you do all characters at the same time. Not one by one

@opaque quest

[opaque quest]

What how do you do all at once?

[vocal ibex]

You can only do it 2 times a week

So be careful

[opaque quest]

Yeah I know that but you were telling me to do them all at once not one by one

[vocal ibex]

Yeah link them all don't exit and try linking them all individually. Or you'll only get 2 done

[modern plaza]

what kind of companion does everyone want next?

[vocal ibex]

I want a turttle

[zealous niche]

On the unlink screen where it shows all your chars linked to deities, you can highlight multiple ones before hitting unlink

[opaque quest]

Okay I seriously do not understand what you're trying to tell me.

[opaque quest]

Okay that makes more sense

[vocal ibex]

🤣

[zealous niche]

So in this instance, if I hit unlink in the bottom right, it would unlink those five and only use up one ‘unlink’ for the week

[opaque quest]

Yeah I get what you were trying to tell me now but before it sounded like you were telling me not to unlink a single character unless I unlink them all at once but don't log out of that character. So I'm just thinking but I have to log out of a character to unlink a character...

I only have the one God so I didn't have any frame of reference for unlinking

[opaque quest]

Yeah I saw that when I went to look.

[vocal ibex]

glad u got it !

[modern plaza]

i want a dragon

[opaque quest]

I want a pet pig to follow me around.

[modern plaza]

ohhh maybe a candyman that makes your candy proc on all your characters at once

[opaque quest]

That almost feels like one of those pets that would make people rage quit the game if they didn't get it

[plush spear]

Like doot

[opaque quest]

Like hey you know those things in the shop that you can pay for that cost real money that make actual tangible process in the game? Well here's a feature you can gamble on that makes those more powerful with real money

[opaque quest]

Yeah but I feel like doot would be more of a borderline. Something like that with the candy would be straight up pay to win

[zealous niche]

Doot is definitely game changing

Everybody gets 6x prints for no sacrifice and you get 2.5x the time on cooking, sailing, printing, refinery, and gaming

[plush spear]

Imagine progressing all of your characters fighting without lab

[zealous niche]

You get every bonus in lab no sacrifice

[opaque quest]

Sure and I completely agree with you but I don't think that as game-changing as you buying a 24-hour Time Candy one character eating it and then every single character advancing 24 hours.

[zealous niche]

That would be very disruptive too

[plush spear]

Yeah doot level

[zealous niche]

But with candy you need the account progress to make use of it

I make more without candy now than a noob would with all the candy bonuses they can buy from the shop

[plush spear]

I hope lava doesn't see this

[zealous niche]

I’ve seen some post a picture of them afk for a year at frogs, and I get more kills in an hour

[opaque quest]

But you can pay for the candy. I can put real money into the game get the candy spend hundreds more getting this one pet. It is literally a paid system feeding a paid system.

[dapper prism]

"less than an hour"

[zealous niche]

True

[modern plaza]

i think doot is thiccer than the candyman tbh lol

[plush spear]

Yeah it's quadrupling your progress

[opaque sun]

giant big bubbles reaching 100%+ would be a doot level pet

[dapper prism]

Quadruple is a bit excessive

[zealous niche]

2.5 I think it maths to

[opaque quest]

I think a better compromise for something like Candyman (keep in mind I have a vastly different idea for the path I would like to see pets go) is rather than the candy working for every character you have an increased chance of the Candy Star perk procking

[opaque sun]

also would be a tactical reason to use glitter bug prayer if giant big bubble procced 100%

[modern plaza]

doot makes atom collider go vroom, and we all know atom collider is just like holy shiezer for alchemy which is like the center of the universe

[dapper prism]

True but once ur samples are good enough, yes you get more atom collider unlocks but youre still capped by daily atom attempts

[modern plaza]

true true, need another place to spend atoms on 😄

[opaque sun]

more omni proc (doesnt care how much it prints) is more bubble clicks

[modern plaza]

imagine being able to turn 10 of the skill orbs into 1 class exp orb 😄

we'd have players at 1k lvl 😄

when lava says more w4 and w5 does that mean we get a big shroom companion soon? purple shrooms give 100x gmush kills 🙂

[opaque sun]

11th char doesnt understand the concept of leveling skills as he consumes his 700th divinity pearl

[dapper prism]

what did i miss?

What did he say?

[opaque sun]

The road map i suppose

[warm beacon]

That’s just quests tho

[dapper prism]

wasnt it yeh just quests and the trophies?

[gritty viper]

What's a good lab level for my bubo for the weapon power?

[opaque sun]

you just settle with whatever lab level you get

Never worth to level for the wp

[gritty viper]

ohh alright

[modern plaza]

sorry npcs, like companions 😎

ohh companion trophy for collecting all the companions

[dapper prism]

Still a little confused what you mean, but on a side note, do we have any "solid" ideas/opinions what new companions we may see?

[opaque sun]

giant big bubble reaching effective 98%-100% will be a doot tier. Auto refinery rank up would be like sheepie tier

[plush spear]

Auto refinery sounds good

[stuck elbow]

this is taking way too goddamn long to NBLB to 100m

[dapper prism]

I really need to start forcing NBLB onto that..

[opaque sun]

speaking if that, nblb related buff pet might be likely

[modern plaza]

auto resampler

[stuck elbow]

too much work zz

[granite grove]

+6 NBLB bubble procs

[dapper prism]

extra levels to NBLB?

[stuck elbow]

id pay another doot worth for just that

[dapper prism]

Stand in City, like W3 drone. Just equip gear. press 1 button on it, and it samples all your current samples. ezpz

[modern plaza]

or how about just hitting the w4 and w5 bubbles all the time instead of %

[opaque sun]

crystals now drop garbage will probably be doot tier

[granite grove]

that too ig

[modern plaza]

that’s actually a great idea holy shit

[opaque sun]

“printer slots can print anyone’s sample” is doot tier yeah

[modern plaza]

or the garbage bonus actually increases garbage would be nice too

[modern plaza]

viles done in a week

[opaque sun]

If printer can print anyone’s, you only need to focus sampling on the focused few

[crisp silo]

Sharing samples could be broken

Sorry not could, would

[opaque sun]

Also makes use of the useless BM’s sample slot

[modern plaza]

“sometimes when you quick depot anvil, doesn’t reset”

[willow sorrel]

does anyone know what the best w3 map for bubo is

[dapper prism]

That would be gold. Bugs can finally fly away

[prisma drift]

Man this is one year to super chow rift

[opaque sun]

Why would you bubo in w3

[dapper prism]

Get that afk gain rate up, like afk prayer

[opaque sun]

But if you really must maybe like cryosnake, moustache and/or rams

[willow sorrel]

for crystals and mob drops

[prisma drift]

I tried but it crashed on me

[opaque sun]

like why not use DK for that

[prisma drift]

I need to do TD on steam

I crash on iOS around wave 110+

[opaque sun]

There isnt really any point using bubo in w3

[willow sorrel]

just cos im gonna leave it for a while so i can get cranium at same time

[opaque sun]

Its best to cranium at the best spot, and switch to DK for drops

[crisp silo]

Why is blud in w3 doing bubo?

[opaque sun]

Trying to get both usually ends up with half assed results

[willow sorrel]

i just find using bubo for crystals better than DK

on non straight maps

[crisp silo]

Bubo would spawn more crystals, but dk will reroll thier drops more

[opaque sun]

bubo also needs mob population to fire, and how the maps are layoutted on w3, there isnt really a map fit for bubo

But if you really must, like i said cryosnakes, moustache or rams

[crisp silo]

Rams kinda long

[opaque sun]

Like when there is bloodbones + DK like the best thing ever, nobody does w3 bubo

One day of DK on blood bones beats the crap out of what bubo can farm at w3 over couple of days

[willow sorrel]

yea but its more like if i active with DK im not actively reducing CC cd

just makes interval between each CC longer

[opaque sun]

as i said, better to cc on like say wurms and get it done earlier, then switch to DK

[willow sorrel]

when r u ever done with CC

ive been perma on dat shit

[opaque sun]

if you are at the stage of perma grind time, its even important not to waste cc efficiency by doing some w3 drops

Focus your goal

[willow sorrel]

so its better to just do one of them 100%

[opaque sun]

Half assed cc and halfassed w3 drops is not a great idea

W3 drops (namely statues) isnt that great to begin with

[hexed pine]

how did i go from getting 100q bits per day to not even 1q per day

[opaque sun]

Switched dk’s preset, snail resetted, turned on kitsune

[crisp silo]

Most likely dk preset

[hexed pine]

dont have snail def not kitsune

then it's def dk yea

wait i just got sheepie

and now that i have it

does it mean i can just take off all the bubs

[opaque sun]

yeah, the bubble only functions as a visual marker

no further benefit from wearing a big bubble

[grand karma]

does gmush money multiplier affect money more than the multiplier from stats? or is it about equal for you guys? i know it also depends on how much you invest into gmush as it can be candied unlike stats

[opaque sun]

its just a matter of which money pool

The money bubble scaling kind of diminishes as the bubble has a hardcap and its harder to gain stats than say the steady linear growth of gmush kills

[grand karma]

fair enough, thank you!

[opaque sun]

There are like 8 multiplier pools for money and the 3 bubble related money bonuses are added in group A and gmush is an independent pool of group B. If possible its important to even raise ABCDEFGH groups as each group multiplies with next group. but sadly most sources have a hard cap (effective cap). Gmush is the only exception where its scaling is linear and gets better with each update thar gives more kill per hour

[dapper prism]

Money Spreadsheet for Groups and what's additive vs Multiplicative:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rU1V21io6jkYNseBxZSAy9BK-B_t7TAlCDfMHNierSo/edit#gid=0

[lost tendon]

your afk gain rate 😳

[barren otter]

superchowing W1 Dr D and acorns actually wasnt too bad

[barren otter]

but now im in your spot now

think i need like 112 hrs to finish super chowing rift...

[pulsar cliff]

I get like. 400k kills an hour for my rift superchow. Dreading that so much

[barren otter]

the annoying thing about the current rift that im on too

is ill be on the next rift well before i finish super chow

so itll get even slower...

[dapper prism]

just dont login until its done?

[barren otter]

yea that is one option

afk for 112 hrs

[ancient quail]

can anyone share with me their bubo attack bar?

i'm going CC for the first time

i got aura at 175 and tentecle at 180

[granite grove]

flat map: CC, aura, respawn, (cloud) if needing extra coverage
spread out map: CC, respawn, aura, cloud, (warfare) if map is too big

() means optional

or if really high aura level, can omit cloud for flat map entirely

[tight saddle]

https://i.imgur.com/d3AEzTX.png

[ancient quail]

sweet, just what I was looking for, thanks alot

[tight saddle]

THANK YOU LAVA, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

[granite grove]

by high aura, i mean enough for 7+ aura in a cast btw, but 5-6 should be good enough

[ancient quail]

okay, got 5 atm so i'll add cloud

cloud is flatulant spirit right?

[granite grove]

yes, i was meant to write ghost or that

[tight saddle]

Come to papa

[granite grove]

ghost is also a common short name for that talent, cloud not really but didnt think it well at the time of writing

[ancient quail]

does it give progress to all things in alchemy or only the cauldron where the bubo is at?

[tacit tulip]

Hope you dropped it for slab

[granite grove]

all in alchemy except sigils

[ancient quail]

sweet

[hexed pine]

wut is that cuh

[tight saddle]

No need these days

[hexed pine]

vman weapon?

[granite grove]

yes

[hexed pine]

haven't gotten tab5 yet so iduno

shud probably start samplin some starfire

[tight saddle]

Yeah the W5 vman weapon - crafting the bone one is easy, but you need the lava one and the recipe is 1/50m drop

[tacit tulip]

Ive had a lot of stuff even recently I had to drop to get to register 😦

[hexed pine]

i probably had one of those

i got so many recipes from all the monsters

[tight saddle]

How long the recipe took you eventually?

[hexed pine]

cuz like killin them took so long

[tight saddle]

I think this one was like ~3 weeks or so... 12x dr

[tacit tulip]

Like 2 months, I had 5k royal urns at the end

[timber viper]

this is honestly just 2 weeks tho - also it seems super chow has been removed for rift? At least i didnt get a bonus for it when i did 2 weeks ago

[tight saddle]

jesus christ

No wait I'm underestimating.... I started before I had my 4 weeks vacation

So ~5 weeks more like

[untold saffron]

https://felixjg.idleonefficiency.com/world-2/alchemy

where should I be focusing my atoms?

[timber viper]

got sheepie?

[untold saffron]

ye

[timber viper]

get level up gift to 90% cap - i think youre missing out a bit there, its long term free gains
Other than that i found it very worthwhile to keep a general high level of lowest bubbles up until i could atom upgrade mr massacre.

As you have everything easy for sampling already done, you could go and do bubble 17 on the class cauldrons for another bubble multiplier for even better sample stats.

If you feel u dont need that, the smithing speed bubble and catching eff bubble are pretty neat!

You could also possibly still get a good amount of more damage out of these if you level the 2 last bubbles of every cauldron to 200 (forgot where 90% cap is but its diminishing fast so that should be kinda close)

[tight saddle]

atom upgrade mr massacre.

What?

Is that the last atom or?

[granite grove]

its the MK/tier % bubble iirc

[tight saddle]

ahhh its a bubble

[dapper prism]

blue salt, takes a while to get up to atom

[opaque sun]

mostly its done by nblb to get it up there

[dapper prism]

Yeh, that's what i mean, like salt you cant get to atom range, just gotta wait it out

Besides letting NBLB hit them

[untold saffron]

appreciate it! I'll probably do bubble 17 for a bit since I'm resampling soon then swap over to making sure mr massacre can be NBLB'd

[tight saddle]

I've noticed that things get kind of tough at some point... I've been playing idleon for a long time and I mean I can e.g. sample any resource at very high rates. One can distribute all kinds of grinding and for example print 20 different things to progress for a very long while until it gets to the point where I am now basically - the distributing strategy works like well over a year when you start the game and now when it really doesn't anymore, it is hard to change your mindset and e.g. start sampling copper ore on 8 characters to turbofarm atoms.

It's a surprising struggle to transition into focusing on one thing at the time

[sharp igloo]

How many characters are you sampling copper on?

[tight saddle]

I mean I had a bit of discipline a couple of weeks ago to have 2 on oak, 3 on copper and 3 on flies... atom production was great, but like I just noticed that I have been straying from the atom path again and I had only one guy on copper lol

[sharp igloo]

Just curioius, cause I was wondering a few weeks ago if archers might be able to sample more copper than bugs

[tight saddle]

Ahh I didn't literally mean to sample copper on everyone, more like sampling the lowest level thing you can get most of of course

[quiet pewter]

even if they could, its still going to be a small amount of copper, why would you want to do that? its better to use them for bugs than atoming

[sharp igloo]

If you need bugs, then yeah def sample bugs, but if you just want atoms, I wasnt sure if maybe an archer couldnt sample more copper than flies.

[quiet pewter]

i guess my point was that you probably do need bugs, unless your super end game

[loud isle]

Does cooking have a max level for plates? Idleon efficieny only seems to talk about up to 30

[quiet pewter]

30, up to 60 with artifact

[loud isle]

I think you'll always be able to get more copper on a warrior

[loud isle]

thanks bb

vman cooking skill is bussssted

[quiet pewter]

np bc

[sharp igloo]

Well yeah, of course youll get more copper on a warrior than an archer, my question was if you could get more copper on an archer than you could get flies on an archer for more atoms.

[quiet pewter]

if you have any use at all for bugs, this would be a bad choice

[sharp igloo]

I dont have a ton of use for bugs other than multitool stamp

[quiet pewter]

you maxed all the vials?

[loud isle]

sorry my b

[sharp igloo]

All but 1, which will be maxed in a couple days

[tight saddle]

tbh I actually don't know skills do work very differently though... I don't think you can e.g. ever get better fishing samples than mining on warriors

I'm not even sure what is the easiest sample to get high on vmans

[quiet pewter]

i guess it makes sense, but gonna be a real small change compared to your proper copper samples

[quiet pewter]

monster mats, sample during speedrun after using his aoe attack

[sharp igloo]

Oh yeah fishing samples suck, but mining, and even more so chopping are magnitudes higher, so I was just curious if an archer could out chop/mine bugs

[tight saddle]

ohhhhhhhhhhh no waaaaay void attacks works like that during a speedrun oh shit

[dapper prism]

Yup

[quiet pewter]

700 k spore caps etc

[dapper prism]

You just push through as many worlds as you can, typically w1-3ish to kill boss on normal mode for respawn mechanic. Then you go sample with MK talent buff up

[quiet pewter]

vman is a lazy mans max vial machine

[dapper prism]

Be sure to plan out your gear (afk set) stuff

[tight saddle]

So wait...

1. Do the speedrun normally through w1-3 with multikill set
2. Swap to sampling card set
3. Go back to area you want to sample
4. Activate void and take a sample

All this while the speedrun is still active

?

[sharp igloo]

Seems legit.

[opaque sun]

You usually separate sample runs and portal runs

portal runs you go for branching routes like the sewer and tree, but sample run you just rush to boss (and the map where the mob you want to sample) on a afk gain gear/god

[tight saddle]

Ahh my point exactly, so I can do a sample run separately?

[opaque sun]

like the following day, yeah

You would want to change god to snake for a sample run

[thorn marsh]

Kattlecruk - normal or chaotic for farming drops?

[opaque sun]

Depends what drops but lower the difficulty, better drop chance per key used

[tight saddle]

I have doot for gods

[thorn marsh]

gotcha

I need teeth

[sharp igloo]

I think it goes Normal>chaotic>nightmare in terms of best drop chance, but the opposite for time efficiency

[opaque sun]

Higher difficulty are for exclusive drops like the cape. Or if you cant be bothered doing 1000 normal runs that takes like 3 hrs

if you need cavity, chaos

[sharp igloo]

If you have 10 keys, and need teeth, do normal. If you have 10k keys, do nightmare

[opaque sun]

But honestly, you get more than enough teeth and cavities by doing nightmare

[sharp igloo]

Also depends on your patience lol. I wouldnt grind nightmare at 30bil damage cause you're gonna be spending too much time killimg each one.

[pastel heath]

whats this?

[glad crow]

i should really get more gmush huh

[sharp igloo]

The recipe for unlocking w4 shit. Edit: sorry, its for the first w5 wep lol

[barren otter]

lmao my wurms is almost 7x more than my gmush

[glad crow]

its crazy to think thats thats almost only bubo....

[pastel heath]

isnt that W5 recepie?

[sharp igloo]

Yeah my bad. Its for the 2nd best warrior "spear"

[pastel heath]

ooh whic one is that

[sharp igloo]

Magma maul

[pastel heath]

nice

[opaque sun]

There are only like 2 that can actually be called a spear in the “spear” weapon category

[untold saffron]

time for another 25 kattles on 19 DR, is it cape day today?

[sharp igloo]

Hey, A "lance" is technically a spear right?

[opaque sun]

its called a lance, but looks more like a katana

[sharp igloo]

I thought so too, but upon further inspection, it kinda looks like a giant butterknife.

[opaque sun]

if the category was “polearm” would be less of an issue

[sharp igloo]

Agreed lol. This isnt maplestory though, as much as lava wants it to be.

[glad crow]

the thing that looks most like a lance is the arrow of this one

or this

[pine folio]

if i had to guess, it's styled after early germanic heavy lances, which lacked the handguard you might think of when you imagine a lance, and were sharpened all the way down one end to form an impromptu cutting edge

[sharp igloo]

That looks like an umfortunate worship skull that happened to get stuck with an arrow lol

[glad crow]

true

[pine folio]

the further west you go, the closer lances (and especially light lances, intended for foot soldiers and not cavalry) got to spears, as their more advanced metalworking allowed them to create more intricately shaped weapons via casting

[sharp igloo]

That's interesting, but I highly doubt he was thinking about that when he designed them lol

[glad crow]

[zinc torrent]

im trying nkattle on my bm rn, but he sometimes randomly heals, without a mole touching him, why is that happening?

[thick warren]

In the gaming log book is it possible to upgrade past 54?

[sharp igloo]

Kill him faster is really the only solution.

[glad crow]

the moles is actually on a timer so when you stop them from moving with abilities, their "ghost" keeps on moving towards kattle and therefore heal him when they touch

[zinc torrent]

ah, k, ty

[pine folio]

i mean, it's not too unlikely, there's a lot of other random medieval history thrown into the game

[sharp igloo]

This game is a blatant mix of runescape and maplestory lol. Im all for it since I loved both games as a kid, but it's still definitely that lol.

[pine folio]

if you think about it, osrs is old enough that it may as well be medieval history

[sharp igloo]

Lmao its not thaaaat old 🤣

[barren otter]

and so is maplestory

[untold saffron]

got my second kattle cape

[covert sphinx]

is info for all these stamps, start talents and nametag available already?

[glad crow]

wiki https://idleon.wiki/wiki/Island_Expeditions

[sharp igloo]

Is anyone else massively struggling with chest space lol? I feel like all my guys have half their inventory full at all times with shit I cant fit in my chest

[glad crow]

there is prob a lot of items you can throw away

like when i struggled with storage, i threw away the 139 lucky lads i had keept, and then the problem was magically fixed

[sharp igloo]

There are a few, but not that many lol. Like for example I got a bunch of lucky lads that I cant throw away until my vman is stromg enough to kill nkruk for scarves

[glad crow]

if you just spend one day on bubo, then you will get like 5 lucky lads, so you dont have too horde them too hard

[fast verge]

2sp or 2bb?

sb*

[sharp igloo]

I def do not get 5 LL a day activing on my bubo lol

[barren otter]

you bought all the gem chest space slots?

oh hmm

[glad crow]

i guess you mean sb or bm, and there isnt any bonus from having 2 bb, where as an extra sb can always just farm more gmush

[barren otter]

ig 20+ lucky lads dont help either

[glad crow]

whats your dr?

[sharp igloo]

13ish

[glad crow]

you should be swimming in them then.... you sure you not filtering them?

[sharp igloo]

Yeah I only have 6 or 7

[glad crow]

thats kinda suprising

[viscid hull]

maybe the map or your multikill

[glad crow]

map, yes, multikill dosnt affect

[sharp igloo]

I just started playing active like last month, so that might be why

[tacit tulip]

I'm dropping about 1 a day on my SB at the moment lol

[viscid hull]

doesn't multikill also affects drops

[glad crow]

sakori, just the person i was looking for

what skill/talent layout do you use for plunder farming?

im thinking about grinding too 100k in the near fututre

[tacit tulip]

Nothing optimal I'll tell you that much

Lemme plug my keyboard in

My focus is largely on the level of skills

particularly these three

[glad crow]

should they just be max, or are there some funky stuff like with dk orb

[tacit tulip]

Running these at max increases the mobs hit per skill cast - which generates more skulls and in turn, more big mobs

[glad crow]

what about rest of gear? full dr or just dmg?

[tacit tulip]

I'm running DR but my damage is high enough where it doesn't matter

[glad crow]

should i double crystal cards?

[tacit tulip]

I'm getting about 20k+ a day a citringes with this setup. Less on wurms purely becuse the 2 layers mean my 12+hits from suppressing fire have less to hit in a line

[sharp igloo]

If you want money

[tacit tulip]

Crystal mobs still drop coins too, which means more plunder mobs

[untold saffron]

who should get priority on divine trophys?

[glad crow]

then i think i might be ready to begin farming plunderous again

[glad crow]

active person

[sharp igloo]

Whoever you have active

[untold saffron]

if i have 2 say

[tacit tulip]

The active trinity - ES, Bubo, DK

[untold saffron]

thanks

[barren otter]

get it on vman first to flex

[glad crow]

also, what chips you using?

[tacit tulip]

choco, attack speed, rest doesn't matter really

[sharp igloo]

Bubo for liquid, dk for drops, what is ES for again lol? Other than damage?

[tacit tulip]

I'm doing the full push to 1m atm. I don't think it's ever gonna be faster than it is currently, unless we get a super long, flat map in world 6

[glad crow]

dk for statues, es for rare drops like glass shards

[glad crow]

also card doublers, right?

[tacit tulip]

Ah yeah, for the crystals

[sharp igloo]

I did double my money statue by playing dk at clams for 1 night lol

Active is kinda nuts. Im sad I havent been utilizing it all this time lol

[glad crow]

should i risk it with the kattle stones?

also did you use dr prayer?

im guessing its a ye

[sharp igloo]

I usually just use those until 1 of them fails, then use regular w5 stones to finish it off. Best case you get a perfect one, worst case youre only down a tiny bit

[glad crow]

wait, should i max the flag skill?

[sharp igloo]

You should max all the skills

[barren otter]

that isnt your first kattle bow right?

[glad crow]

yeah, i havent played any archer in a very long time

[barren otter]

full send 7 kattle stones

[glad crow]

didnt go too good

[barren otter]

dont remember how many i hit

oh it was only 1

i need to make a new one and gamba all 7

[sharp igloo]

Got pretty lucky on this one

[empty glade]

Lab 2x kills and mantis div work for bb zows and chows?

[hollow wasp]

bruh, going for deathnote and why is my kph so extremly low on them xd

[signal osprey]

Different maps have different kill caps

[hollow wasp]

ye i see

[signal osprey]

Blood bones is one of the worst in the game

[hollow wasp]

but like the other monstrer are like 80k kph

but its whatever, its the last missing in w3

got some in w2 left then for vman

but then im done

i think candying up at this rate isnt worth

2mins is around 2k kills i think active

maybe 3k

[zealous niche]

They have long respawn times and there’s only a few. They are the slowest mob to kill

[hollow wasp]

i started 7 minutes ago

its a few hours ofc but well

i might do them the last, so i get higher kph

[tacit tulip]

That is generally a good idea

[gentle anchor]

I SOLD MY CHIZOAR LEGGINGS I JUST MADE

[thick warren]

nice

[lapis sky]

https://i.imgur.com/6ddYhEb.png the map/world in this discription does that mean that the shrines lvl from everyone in the same world or is that only if u also have the lab enabled

[sacred monolith]

If lab node enabled, same world. If not enabled, same map.

[lapis sky]

alright ty

[quiet pewter]

Guys i have unlocked all pets and idk where to take my salt from there should i use stiltied seeker or any it doesn’t matter

[devout warren]

I wanna know. Have you ever seen the rain?

[devout warren]

Are pets the breeding thing? Do they take salt to upgrade? Never seen that.

[quiet pewter]

on careful review my question does not make sense

[sacred monolith]

I saw you ask this yesterday and I still don't know what you mean

[quiet pewter]

Comin' down on a sunny day?

[gentle anchor]

!gear

[obtuse orbit]

Gear Recommendations

[sour grail]

hey guys, i've already asked in the other channels, figured i'd try here too.. Any chance one of you has a character name starting with S that could help me with the peak gaming questline? i just need that part of the quest

[viral snow]

Youre probably talking about spices from foraging
Salts are w3 refinery
Spices are w4 breeding for upgrading kitchens and some alchemy bubbles

[patent hatch]

4.5k!!

[quiet pewter]

nice

[gentle anchor]

how rare is a rift tear?

[frigid acorn]

idk maybe 1 in 10,000 ?

[quiet pewter]

pretty common, shold take like half an hour maybe less