lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[graceful island]

bruh

This is with a 7.5x DR and still nada

[hexed crescent]

Multikill doesn't make you get more drops though

[winged hull]

I killed 30m purp mush with x6 and got no cooking clog

And cooking clog is 1 in 150,000

[undone nacelle]

Yep true

[graceful island]

are you sure you didn't accidentally add them to the filter list?

[winged hull]

Yes

I am very confident

[graceful island]

rip

[winged hull]

Im trying to get clog for troll shoe

[low snow]

Es

[winged hull]

It quite literally is a troll shoe considering my luck getting 8 clog

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[graceful island]

I thought DR effected the chance to get a drop not the amount per drop. Multi kill effected the amount dropped

[low snow]

Sometimes it do sometimes it dont

[hexed crescent]

Multikill affects the amount of the normal resource a monster drops

I don't know what to call it other than normal resource

[graceful island]

yeah I'm talking about this modifier

not this

[hexed crescent]

Yeah, so, the drop rarity will make it more likely for it to drop. But you haven't rolled what ever mil number you said times, because of multikill

[graceful island]

Well that's a pain in the ass

[winged hull]

I got all the recipe btw

And I got diamond skull on most

[graceful island]

I mean congrats but I also hate you

[noble kestrel]

does anyone have a priority list for which books i should focus my library on?

[graceful island]

depends on who

[drifting swan]

Theres a recommended books per class on here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vST3HcgBgeq8H9jztaMhUXZAAAHl120PvDVo_48qJpn6n9qnpa-TWmuG_kN9cmtr66M-OtO482XIOAk/pubhtml

[graceful island]

https://preview.redd.it/ia73lj3h0za91.png?width=1540&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=d997997a7e15681bcc2e421dd38e42fcf2760160 this has a pretty solid priority list for bubo

[graceful island]

I've never seen this before

[noble kestrel]

I feel like I got most of the important books 200+ like tent cc vman cooking etc.

[drifting swan]

It's something IBA members made, I've been using it over fullguide.

[noble kestrel]

thanks! this is new for me

[graceful island]

Time for me to respec everything then

[noble kestrel]

I feel like I'm at an awkward point where my library isnt fast enough to save 20 books but I don't want to level it too much until i max cost cruncher

[graceful island]

how long is your 0-20 time?

[drifting swan]

I haven't checked out many books yet either tbh. Just been letting them stack up and using a few on my active ES. I felt like using too many without increasing the level cap was a waste.

[scarlet gust]

if i change guild do all my bonus's go?

i think my guild is dead but i dont know how to tell

[noble kestrel]

Hmm IE is only showing me time to 20 from 16

[drifting swan]

They go until you join a new guild yes

[noble kestrel]

lemme use them on random skills and check

[graceful island]

use toolbox

[noble kestrel]

17h:42m

[noble kestrel]

yeah i was using them regularly for a while but i recently got the 1000 books achievement so now im feeling lazier

[willow cairn]

I jus dropped a traffic cone hat and saw it had a rare drop chance but according to the wiki seems to have no use. Is there any point to keeping this other than for the initial slab completion?

[pseudo salmon]

For the gaming skill. is there anything you need to know for the shovel and the chipmunk or just collect when ever you check the garden? EDIT: For context i just unlocked the chipmunk

[bright current]

Hat premiumifier for

For fun*

[solid haven]

In one of the youtube video I saw that they switched star signs, even though all were already infinity. Is there any reason to assign stars at that point?

[drifting swan]

Pretty much that, best use of shovel is every hour as it scales up time wise

[noble kestrel]

You only want to check it once every hour, if you click shovel earlier than that it will reset the time takes for nugget

[mild wadi]

If you have the chip thar doubles star sign bonus, you can assign an infinity star to get 2x bonus (like food effect, multichop etc)

[solid haven]

ok, so chip doesn't boost infinity star signs, got it.

[vivid garnet]

It does if you have those particular ones assigned but not the rest yeah

[summer storm]

you dont need to have a starsign unlocked to get the inifinity bonus right?

[torpid oasis]

Ah nice, just 1 more to go

[opaque sun]

theoretically you can do 0 constellations but still get all starsign bonus via infinite starsign

[shrewd nexus]

number 4 will shock you

[torpid oasis]

Only 1 in 5 mil

we fine

Im still questioning if legs were a typo or not

seeing its cost compared to other ones

[noble kestrel]

does anyone wanna do an IE review?

https://lotteria.idleonefficiency.com/

[median bobcat]

If u unlocked the first sailing relic, does the lab thing becomes irrevelant ?

(statues on map act for whole world)

[opaque sun]

shrines gives all bonus to all worlds due to moai, but the shrine exp accumulation is still determined by the lab node

[fiery mason]

for gmush nobi better than snake right ?

[opaque sun]

For kills, nobi is a pure 2x so its better

[torpid oasis]

Nobi better on strong chars, snake better on weak iirc

[median bobcat]

Ohhhhh, so I place them in w4. So they now active on w1-3,w5?

[opaque sun]

Weak as in like if your fight afk is below 30%

[median bobcat]

That's mega huge

[opaque sun]

You still want to use world tour node to level the shrine in the same world though

[median bobcat]

I understood now, thank you

[opaque sun]

Else will need to place shrine in same map to level them (and its not like by avoiding world tour you can make a better lab connection)

[fading dust]

What are the biggest sources of DR for yall

[torpid oasis]

my cards and obols

[shrewd nexus]

cards, obal set, SB bonus dr% are three biggest i think, but theres acruallt a google doc somewhere with them all listed and size

[torpid oasis]

I used the event to get the card things from shop

and got myself the crystal and dr cards

[fading dust]

Damn thats nice

Only one I can kinda farm is bop boxes

[near goblet]

What is the ideal bubo talent setup order

[torpid oasis]

Hope we get 1 more event or that the shop lasts a few more weeks so i can get the last 2 ones to max lvl too

[fading dust]

Tier 5 cards are next to impossible to get

[fading dust]

Which shop?

[torpid oasis]

This

[fading dust]

Oh gotcha for the toer 5 cards

[torpid oasis]

Yee

chars not strong enough to unlock tier 5 cards itself rn

[shrewd nexus]

resurect, aura, poison, then the alchemy thing. put no other abilities, and its absolutly critical that you equip a spear

[torpid oasis]

so i use shop to get them

[near goblet]

Most people use gloves no?

[shrewd nexus]

spears look better

[near goblet]

so i guess they function the same?

[shrewd nexus]

i mean if you want to look unfashionable i guess they the same

[weary hinge]

spears dont aoe now if not used on warrior

[shrewd nexus]

doesnt matter, its not for aoe

[torpid oasis]

Gloves "better" as in their wep power is better

[weary hinge]

i guess a stick is always nice

[flint willow]

does anyone know how divinity gain is calculated? say if I just started and get 1xp/divinity/hour, and i login after 20 minutes (traps) do I loose the progress? So should I keep an eye out for when I login on my chars or can I still do it whenever? 😅

[shrewd nexus]

its to force your bubo to run around, so he spreads aura

[fiery mason]

gloves better

[shrewd nexus]

you wont be at 1 div long enough for it to matter

[fiery mason]

spear for notalgia though

[flint willow]

day 2 and still below lvl 5 on most my chars 😢 😅 but yeah I guess in the long run it doesn't matter

[young blade]

no news from lava?

[jagged barn]

You are a mod
You should know

[shrewd nexus]

if it works like cooking it will give you the right number in the long run, so i wouldnt worry. not sure if it saves up fractions or rolls a % but fractional resources worked fine (at least on cooking ladles), so im assuming div works

[young blade]

I am not a mod

[jagged barn]

I ain't believing you

[flint willow]

okay, thanks! 🙂

[jagged barn]

Your name secreems mod vipe

[frank harbor]

Which merit shop do I buy in w5

[shrewd nexus]

which ones do you think look useful?

[fiery mason]

cracked 500 mil 🙂

[jagged barn]

You usually get more xp than 1/h
Because of multiplyer
But if you had 1/h for some reason it won't count if you log in before 1h had passed iirc

[frank harbor]

All of them

[jagged barn]

Mob respawn first
Don't remember the rest

[frank harbor]

I’m not very capable of farming w5 yet. Only 4 characters farming there. Still worth it?

[shrewd nexus]

just finished greenstacking w1 to w4 🎉

[shrewd nexus]

respawn is decentish, its less important that earlier worlds because you have so many other sources of respawn by now. i think theres a sailing and gaming one? the talent points for tab 4 was low priority for me since i could just get those by leveling, but if your struggling for talent points might matter more

by w5 id recomend you start planning what your specific charcters need and buy accordingly, instead of following some magic set order

[fiery mason]

farm these with es or dk ? i know es is usually better but the map is ideal for dk and can get 400 + orb

[shrewd nexus]

always ES for any material including rares, DK for any crystal resource

[torn flare]

where is statue man?

[shrewd nexus]

ES portal is going to give you something like x20 dr so its not really comparable to dk

[shrewd nexus]

standing very still i would imagine

[torn flare]

bruh

[shrewd nexus]

bruh

[opaque sun]

I just candy for clogs cuz im lazy

[glad crow]

what amount of exp/h do you guys get on vman fishing?

its my lowest skill on him, but i casnt seem to get much over 1m/hr and that seems to be way too low

[crisp pasture]

Sounds about right. Think I was getting like 1.2m/hr. Crystal countdown helps a lot.

[hexed crescent]

same

[glad crow]

i guess i need to do that again :C

[fading dust]

Does ES talent require you to unlock omniphau to lower level?

[sick sentinel]

should just be able to stand in the placeholder spot

[crisp pasture]

I am by no way efficient so could probably boost it higher. Come to think of it, I don't think I even had fishing boxes bought when I was training. It's slow regardless. Fishing sucks.

[noble mesa]

Just get doot

[shrewd nexus]

should i download idleon?

[mild wadi]

if you'll buy doot yes

[haughty cove]

you guys just mad because you didn't get doot?

[shrewd nexus]

whats doot

[heavy moth]

for real game is as same even without doot XD jsut gotta forget he exist to not cry at night all the perk you are missing

[haughty cove]

yah im just saying the game is the same

but ppl get mad because they didn't get it that all

[pulsar heart]

how many years does it take to get 1m plunderous mobs

[heavy moth]

yea im agreeing being dootless too ahah

[shrewd nexus]

i did 20k in 24 hours, so you can do the math if you like

[haughty cove]

depends on your dmg and multikill and other stuff

[heavy moth]

so like 50 days

[pulsar heart]

multikill wouldnt do anything

[haughty cove]

why tho?

[shrewd nexus]

becuase tho

[haughty cove]

[kind shore]

iirc it's a few weeks of non stop farm if you one shot plunderous on OJ bay

[coral ravine]

One plunderous mob is one plunderous mob

[lethal canyon]

any news about lava?

or still radio silence?

[dire flower]

Being ostriching till now

[kind shore]

Too busy swimming in millions rn

[dire flower]

At least on this server

[gilded vault]

It's a little more complicated than that

[kind shore]

Don't feed the troll, I don't think you're gonna have an interesting conversation with him

[round elk]

the silent treatment is not helping also

that´s my problem

[shrewd nexus]

the dev is standing mute
about the one that they call doot
many call into the void
that doot should be destroyed
but already many took the sale
so it must stay, lest we anger the whale

[kind shore]

The whole update, handling, response and the "I won't do it" then proceeds to do the same thing he said he wouldn't is my problem

[lethal canyon]

well, tbh what lava should do to fix all this shit and drama?

[rancid bluff]

Probably nothing at all and just apologize

[kind shore]

He should have responded way earlier, the second next way to handle is it to have a way to turn blue gems into green and then it's just gambling but free

[rancid bluff]

Everyone kinda just needs to forget that doot exists and just play the game like he doesn’t exist.

[gilded vault]

At this point, it's tii late to handle gracefully, so own it and ideally implement some sort of pity system.

[kind shore]

Right cauz that would work and wouldn't backfire on future even more p2w update

[fading cape]

I'm torn and feeling a little bored. Do I keep going in W4 for green stacks, or do I switch gears and get all blue stat obols and complete the slab of obols from W1 by farming Gmush?

[shrewd nexus]

wouldnt ppl that whaled out several 100 be mad if it becamse easier to get though? and i mean they the cash source, so dont make them mad?

[dire flower]

What does server side actually implies tho

[gilded vault]

I don't know, I don't identify as a whale.

[kind shore]

Ppl are cheating blue gems basically, but people cheated doots so it doesn't change anything

[shrewd nexus]

client side (your computer) is very open to manipulation. server side can actually check if stuff is right and not hacked

[rancid bluff]

If no one bought it (failed) then he wouldn’t put out more updates like this

[gilded vault]

Server side means on the server rather than on the client
Eh Gdog answered faster and better

[fading cape]

We love to think that's how capitalism works. But we're way past that point

[rancid bluff]

But the thing is, in terms of sales, this update was a massive success for Lava

[gilded vault]

It's related to the trading of pets

[hexed crescent]

Problem is game is made by a pixel designer in a drag-and-drop programming language

[left harness]

Should i make a obol skilling set for all skills, or is it better to keep to like construction obols on everyone that does not use drop obols and sucn

[dire flower]

So either the green gems is also obtainable f2w like blue gems or just delete it as new currency

[gilded vault]

If you do trading with a currency that can be cheated in, you will have cheaters flooding the market with doots.

And we all know we can't have doots !

[shrewd nexus]

okay, but how can that actually be done now without pissing off the whales (ie the games cash source)

[hexed crescent]

I think thats the solution at this point

[dire flower]

Limit the obtain source (can gain from spike minigame only)

[shrewd nexus]

might work

[kind shore]

If the green gems were obtainable f2p they would have whaled anyway, it doesn't change them anything

[gilded orchid]

Still no response ?

Lava must hate this game

[dire flower]

But still questionable based on the gems need for rolls calculation i sawed

[lime crow]

i have noticed he takes negative criticism rather poorly

[gilded vault]

Aren't the whales pissed anyway ?
But they are not mad we get gems from event, so not sure if that would be such a thing.
But again, not a whale, can't even comprehend them.

[lime crow]

i think some whales are probably mad that they stocked up on blue gems and now have to buy a new currency all over

[gilded vault]

Blue whales turned green !

[shrewd nexus]

yes whales were pissed about the patch, but thats happened. dealing with solutions going forward the main thing for lava would be not to anger the remaining whales. for example making doot easy for f2p may cause anger from someone that bought it at $300. things might be okay with making green gems available in game, but then its basially jsut blue gems, and apparently the way its coded they would then be available client side (so unsecure). not sure security was really what cuased green gems anyway, but just going with whats lava has said

[dire flower]

Or maybe he put an rework on gems like naming free gems and paid gems

[gilded vault]

Yeah, I know. No easy answer. I don't envy him, plus the negative response was so vitriolic I probably wouldn't blame him that much if he just threw the proverbial towel.

Lose lose damned if I do damned if I don't situations are tough to navigate.

[opaque sun]

Welcome to the update of “Still No Response” ver. 1.03

[glacial thunder]

He prob wont be giving one

[rotund smelt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/849473649832755231/1121791968922566676/image.png

Does this not affect fishing?

Because my efficiency and exp seemed the same before and after increasing the skill

[low snow]

Fishing is weird sind more fish does actually mean more exp

Not like other skills where you get max exp at 100% eff

[green cape]

its a useable skill in case u did not activate it

[rotund smelt]

Ooooooooooh

That would explain it

Thanks

[green cape]

i got u fam

[rotund smelt]

Tbh I just assumed it was passive lmao

[low snow]

Oh. Or the easy answer that is more likely corrct

[shrewd nexus]

square corner equip, round corner let it sit

[green cape]

i was in his shoes.. was doing 1 week of traps wondering

[frank harbor]

Vman reqs? Lvl 150 and 1m kills on all w1-w3? Right?

[rotund smelt]

Went from 280k xp/hr to 310k 😎

[mild wadi]

wait what ive never activated this skill hahahaha, thought it was passive

[ionic belfry]

Day 6, no message from lava, maybe next one?)

[mild wadi]

you mean next month right?

[drifting swan]

And 12m gmush kills on Maestro

[atomic wing]

@mild wadi he's consoling himself with the tens of thousands of dollars he's made off the gambling update

[mild wadi]

Hundreds of thousands*

[atomic wing]

Probably not wrong

Dude doesn't have the decency to even address the general community now. Pretty sad

[pliant elk]

6 days

[bright quail]

is there any way to get skulls easier in the rift, or is it basically just a waiting game?

[mild wadi]

Even a one liner takes seconds

[fading cape]

Just follow them around 1 by 1 and don't kill the ones that don't have skulls unless there aren't any

[pliant elk]

Game sucks 1 star

[fading cape]

Active ES tends to do a good job because it leaves a lot of them alive

[bright quail]

okay thanks

i just had bubo on auto

[mild wadi]

General consensus looking at recent reviews

[fading cape]

yeah that's not work. Because it's going to kill all of them immediately. Nothing for skulls to jump to

[bright quail]

how do skulls work?

[fading cape]

when you kill a unit it has a chance to generate a copper skull on another mob.

When a mob dies it has a 50/50 shot for that skull to jump to another mob, and upgrade one level.

[bright quail]

so if theres no skulls i just have to kill enemies?

[fading cape]

yes

[bright quail]

ahh alright thanks man

[fading cape]

so it's a 50% chance a copper skull appears when killing a mob.
Then a 50% chance when you kill that mob with a copper skull that it becomes a silver skull on another mob.
and so on

[bright quail]

so i kinda have to do active then :/

damn

[bright quail]

oh okay tyty

[fading cape]

If you use ES it works great. Because ES kills in a small area. And leaves the others alive to accumulate skulls

Also portal spawn mobs can accumulate and generate skulls

[bright quail]

ohh alright ill get my es then

[coral goblet]

hey dudes, im decentlyish into w5 and was wondering if anyone could check out my IE and see any big factors i could work on to push my account even further, breeding is probably my most behind thing id guess but overall

[rustic garnet]

alchemy, stamps,

it's gonna be those two, almost surely

sampling

[fading cape]

Revisit Stamps.
Then focus alchemy for all bubbles under 65
Then focus getting all meals.
simultaneously sailing artifacts.

That's the main checklist for big W5 gains

[rustic garnet]

and then atoms

[coral goblet]

pretty much pushing alchemy whenever i can but on that 99 dice roll grind and 8-10% new bubble hits

my new meals are almost all 1day + with 3-6% so i figured i shouldnt try for them yet with no big ladles to dump

[fading cape]

if you're at 8% for a new bubble you still have a lot of alchemy to go. Main bubo until all bubbles unlocked

[coral goblet]

atom gonna take a hot minute to finish

[fading cape]

By the time you're on the last 2 bubbles even with level 100 luck boost you'll only have 1% chance of new bubble

[coral goblet]

xd damn

i rushed w5 and event candy and whatnot helped me get there for sure but im starting to fall behind a bit

[fading cape]

you're aware of using the same class as the color of bubble to level it up for extremely reduced material costs?

[rustic garnet]

bubbles, not vials

[coral goblet]

.... no i was not 😮

[fading cape]

ok then you're going to want to level up the bubbles that drop the costs of materials by huge gaps for that class

[coral goblet]

im leveling bubbles when i got the liquids everyday

[fading cape]

focus on printing materials for those bubbles

[coral goblet]

okay i was mostly printing what armor or w/e id need to craft next

ill swap sampling to bubbles prio

[fading cape]

Get your bubo tenteye to 200.

If you haven't, doing the things to get it there is also a good path of actions to set goals to

[coral goblet]

one of the big things is i need a boat load of people linked to bear god to have a lot of the lab things, was going to sit div until i got that active in lab and div thing soon

i dont think i can get any more max lvl for libary just yet so 200 is a bit out of reach

[fading cape]

sit on divinity until goat god.

then link goat god. Those characters can be in lab and still be linked to divinity at same time

[kind shore]

You need atleast fury relic which is on 3M sailing to get 200 tent, you're far from that

[coral goblet]

yeah in sailing in unlocking the 2mil cloud right under the toxic bay place

have almost every artifact previous, few ancient but they seemed pretty rare to just spam for

i just got done getting vman last week and had everyone getting lvls in w5, just stopped to horizontally upgrade for a bit

was gonna do 1 whole day on each skill mining /fishing/catching/cooking to get everyone 30-40 in those skills just for lvls and talents

unsure if thats a big throw

[opaque sun]

or pay big money for rift slug

[coral goblet]

xd

i bought the pack and one 20$ and hit all but doot and that

im good on that

avoids pw2 andys

[pure spindle]

I need the lava guy

Those talent points would be so nice

Jf trading comes idk how we gonna offer trades though

[coral goblet]

in dms for $

[pure spindle]

Gonna suck

Lol

[coral goblet]

the yellow bubble upgrade cost the same on my vman vs my divine knight? unless im understanding wrong

oh i looked on orange and that was def cheaper

damn i been fuckin up doing it all on my bubo

[gilded spoke]

Hey guys, any advice on what bubbles to spend my Atoms on in Alchemy? So far ive mostly just been doing the first bubble for more main stat of each cauldron. Is there something more useful I should be dumping the atoms into?

[heavy moth]

whats your larry at ?

[gilded spoke]

lvl 201. 80% chance

[green eagle]

get it to 501

that gives 100% chance

[gilded spoke]

Oh damn, thats top priority then?

[weary hinge]

its sure to get to 100 at 501?

[heavy moth]

yea boost larry with atom so each click become more worth it, if you can hour click first bubble its best to not spend atom on them imo than boost sampling bubble to upgrade those atom gains

what level is 125 %

[gilded spoke]

gotchya thank you!

Does Laarryy proc with NBLB?

[rotund gull]

It hard caps at 120%

[heavy moth]

its in the top 15 bubble so either all other bubble are high AF or larry is way to low to proc in nblb

[rotund gull]

There's no passive class boosting bubble for yellow cauldron. It's the bubble 2s on the other ones that make upgrades by class cheaper

[coral goblet]

ahhh okay makes sense

[warped grail]

there is signal of life from lava?

[green eagle]

#💖future-content-blog see anything?

[fiery mason]

https://tenor.com/view/zombie-land-comedy-crying-upset-sad-gif-3457380 lava rn

[gaunt knot]

sailing bugged? I got 0 points into unending loot search but still my ships dont stop upgrading chests

[fiery mason]

maybe u filteredd out lower cheest

[gaunt knot]

oh my dumba** thank you xD

[fiery mason]

i sometimes click that by accident

[gaunt knot]

never used it before so apparently I missclicked aswell on mobile yesterday

[brittle dagger]

Just unlocked w5, what should I be doing?

[shrewd nexus]

10% you should be starting gaming and sailing and divinity, 90% you should be going back and doing the stuff you skipped

[brittle dagger]

what skipped stuff are you referring to? like unlocking the rest of the maps with other characters?

[shrewd nexus]

most people rush w5 and largley ignore alchemy, stamps lab etc, which are big bonuses

[brittle dagger]

gotcha

from what I found, it says to stick most of my characters in divinity, unlock bear, then unlink and link to goat when available. is this still true?

[shrewd nexus]

so its great you got here, and starting w5 feautures rolling will help since they are mostly afk feautures, but yeah have a look for what you neglected on the way, because unlocking portals is a tiny part of the game

[shrewd nexus]

i wouldnt recomend having more than one person on divinity long term (BM looking at you). but yeah you could do that to get started

the gods that are eventually useful long term are elephant and hare

[brittle dagger]

okay sick, and is there anything I should be cautious of or not do lol. I saw something about like only being able to unlink once?

I dont know where I saw that, but I dont want to lock myself into something bad because I dont know enough yet lol

[shrewd nexus]

i think you get two unlinks a week now, and a fresh unlink everytime you unlock a god, so not that important at first

[brittle dagger]

oh sweet okay

[shrewd nexus]

if you unlink even one person it ounts as an unlink for everyone though, its not per char, so unlink multiple at once

[brittle dagger]

okay so I can pretty much get started with new w5 stuff and not have to worry

[shrewd nexus]

yeah, unless bloblyte offers to sell you gold, dont accept it

[fiery mason]

id put 7 on divinity and active es to farm marterials for alchemy, once you have bear unlocked maybe reduce it to 4 on divinity 3 afk w5 for exp and once you unlock goat you can just have your lab rats do divinity

[brittle dagger]

gotcha okay

also this sounds dumb but like at what point should I go back and start working on leveling my deathnote and zow stacks and stuff

[shrewd nexus]

also note that theres a massive black rock top right... i got half way through w5 before i noticed it somehow

[shrewd nexus]

when it seems easy

[fiery mason]

id wait a bit for those, exp gets really good after a few maps in w5 its pretty easy to get everyone up to lvl 150 for starters or even lv 250 ( citringe map is amazing )

[brittle dagger]

I have like 8/10 characters elite, my main pusher is bb 150 and the rest are like 100-120 ish and I get like 6k kph afk on my bb in w1

it still seems like its kinda slow and like i should wait?

[brittle dagger]

yeah I think youre right

[shrewd nexus]

im sorry to break it to you, and i say this as someone that started bb main, but bb is literally the worst class

well BM might be worse

[fiery mason]

dont worry too much about it u can candy that later

[brittle dagger]

yeah it seems like dog water. literally everything else seems so much better

[fiery mason]

both have their place 😄 just not using them active

[brittle dagger]

my es can do like 70k kph active lol it was really disheartening

and my bb is even worst active than afk, which feels so wrong ahah

[fiery mason]

u will likely mostly active dk bubo and es, although id wait with bubo until you can get lvl 200 teyntacle

[shrewd nexus]

bubo is the real kph king

es for farming mats

dk for farming cystals stuff

bb for the kitchen

bm for humerously dropping a whale on something then never touching again

[brittle dagger]

and then vman for skilling bonuses and dungeons?

[fiery mason]

vman voidrun and skilling mostly

[shrewd nexus]

vman should sit there buffing your main

[fiery mason]

mine is just afk fishing 90% of his time

[brittle dagger]

gotcha, ill revisit that when i actually have a vman lmfao

[fiery mason]

yea focus on other stuff for now

[brittle dagger]

i appreciate all the help guys, just seems like every new world makes it even more overwhelming to figure out priorities and a plan

[shrewd nexus]

just pick something to focus if your overwhelmed

[low snow]

What are the big skills with eld fury.

[shrewd nexus]

doesnt have to be optimal. pick a number, make number go up, feel accomplished

[orchid rock]

Does the proba of getting an ancient artifact is the same as getting a basic one once you've unlocked the basic one ?

[shrewd nexus]

its worse

[fiery mason]

much worse

[orchid rock]

Is there a formula somewhere ?

[shrewd nexus]

probably

easiest way is just to send some boats and note the percents that come back

[prime cloud]

Bro... That's insane!

[rotund smelt]

Basically you just copium until you get it

[coral goblet]

is this a bait or generall worth it?

[fiery mason]

bait

[coral goblet]

lazy mans bait

[orchid rock]

Because I unlocked an ancient in the second island before unlocking the 2nd and third artifact
So I guess I was really lucky on that

[shrewd nexus]

a bit lucky yeah, but statisitcs be like that

[fiery mason]

early islands chances arent that bad

[quartz pollen]

What's the best use for your first equipment that uses nullo salts? the tools? troll armor? weapons?

[rotund smelt]

Ive been trying to get cloud island bit modifier ancient for a while now before unlocking next island

Really on all that copium myself

[fiery mason]

weapns + tools imo followed by troll

[quartz pollen]

Thanks, I just unlocked nullo, and goddamn does it require a fuck ton of mats

[sacred verge]

let me guess boys, still radio silence?

[fiery mason]

yea

[sacred verge]

shock

[quartz pollen]

Sad

[low snow]

Maybe he wont talk to us ever again. Silently releasing stranger and stranger updates as he decends into blackjack and hooters

[sacred verge]

tbh i have been thinking for a while now hes planning to never respond

maybe in a few months when he regrets it and the money is not coming in anymore

i believe its more likely than something of a fix coming

[fiery mason]

maybe he hires someone who does comunity communication w/ all that money 😄

[sacred verge]

we can only dream

its sad tho, the game was doing so well before all this

[fiery mason]

yea

[sacred verge]

and some great uppdates was released prior

[fiery mason]

i mean if it wasnt for doot the update would have been fine, would still hate to have 25+ lvls lockd behind money but its not as gamebreaking

[versed cypress]

not really, doot is not the problem

the problem is the system not the bonuses

[round elk]

for me doot is the problem

[fiery mason]

for me too its just way way way too much, he could have maybe done qol on it like infinite unlinks on doot

[brittle dagger]

with starting sailing, should I go for first island or clouds

[fiery mason]

1st island

[drifting swan]

The only issue I have with it is how overly predatory it is in comparison to the rest of the game. But I didn't have Doot a week ago and I don't have it now so I'm just ignoring it.

[round elk]

if the best bonus was a 25+ levels extra and you got like 6 month to get it, ok is not that bad, with doot you just get your prints x10 with a click

[leaden epoch]

1st so you can get mats to upgrade your first couple of boats

[sacred verge]

im fine with doot tbh as long as it was something most ppl get at some point. content would just have to be scaled accordingly

[brittle dagger]

i got a few bottled winds from the intro quest, im assuming its wasted since it says 6 hours of progress but first island is only 2 hours

[round elk]

there is an artifact that already gives you +75 levels in skills, 25 levels more doesn´t hurt the game

[left harness]

Got last spice unlocked but not enough power to active both of the last 2 ones. Put down a poo to get the 2nd last one. any smart suggestions on how i could get both of the two last spices going?
https://gyazo.com/f243deeff4c5395e915b348527b3ff41

[sacred verge]

i think w6 couldve brought a decent enough state for doot to exist

[fiery mason]

id save them for unlocking new islands eg clouds cuz there is no min travel time for that

[round elk]

imagine how world 6 has to be for not to breeze with doot, but struggle withput him

[fiery mason]

thats how i got em

[sacred verge]

yea w6 i think will be hard to balance if doot is gonna stay this unobtainable

[left harness]

awesome, ill try that out. thanks

[warm beacon]

More like fundamentally impossible

[fiery mason]

i really wonder what he thought he was doing when he came up with doot, just uncaring oblivious on how unbalanced that is or just want to cash hard

[drifting swan]

Considering he's been working on Companions instead of finishing W5 says a lot.

[sacred verge]

yeah i agree with you guys

[stiff prairie]

Does "no prayer equipped gets 1/5th bonus" also apply to giants, but rate is reduced?

[fiery mason]

no giants will spawn. also dont use it

[haughty yacht]

Can I ask an alchemy question here?

[vagrant mountain]

How come one of my DKs is getting twice as much divinity exp as my other one?

[haughty yacht]

People always post grinding time bubble pictures in the thousands and credit bubo but I don't see how bubo helps hyper level that? Unless cranium cooking gives liquids

[vagrant mountain]

yep tons of liquid

[haughty yacht]

Ok thanks

[shrewd nexus]

they are getting the same, one of them is just under-reporting it for tax reasons

[left harness]

Can you reroll a bronze trapping obol so it gets 2 power instead of 1?

[vagrant mountain]

can't tell if you are being serious or just salty about doot

[autumn rivet]

From my understanding you can get +1 on misc stats, but someone correct me if that's wrong

[shrewd nexus]

is it still the meta to only print goldfish?

[left harness]

that has been the case for me when i reroll drop obols and stat ones, but i have tried to reroll this trapping obol atleast 50 times without getting a + or a - on the trapping power

[pulsar condor]

I got a sheepie does that mean I dont have to switch my bubbles anymore?

[fiery mason]

think many ppl just print copper even with the fisher

[lone kindle]

Is it better to have all characters on Mantra or all characters on Vitalic for Divinity?

[fiery mason]

vitalic, unlocking gods matters most and also you can get 2x exp proc

[left harness]

Ah it does not work to reroll a circle or square skilling obol
https://gyazo.com/78be70423df6fc704355b7f808cee008

[lone kindle]

Bet, thanks

[vagrant mountain]

yep equipping bubbles changes nothingg

[pulsar condor]

yay less micromanaging

[vagrant mountain]

companions 👌

why is there such a crazy discrepancy in their exp multi? they have basically the same set up

[young galleon]

Styles

[vagrant mountain]

their styles don't affect exp multi

[hexed aurora]

alchemy bubble, post office

[vagrant mountain]

ok it did affect it but still one is 2x

[mild wadi]

Divinity exp bubble?

[noble mesa]

Cards/cards set?

[vagrant mountain]

same cards / star signs / talents

[vagrant mountain]

have ram for all bubbles

[noble mesa]

So u mey be lucky or unlucky

[vagrant mountain]

thx one has 500 wisdom the other has 250, that's weird

[noble mesa]

Its a big difrence

500 or 250 is the "correct" one?

[vagrant mountain]

I just pumped 130 wisdom, stil same exp multi lol

[noble mesa]

Lol

Just have it as it is

[vagrant mountain]

this is gonna bother me

[noble mesa]

And say tnx to the god doot

[rotund gull]

Lava math often ends up with random discrepancies like this. There's not really much one can do about it

[untold arch]

still didnt figure out?

[fiery mason]

lel have u guys tried out the new cycle demo

[vagrant mountain]

nope

[fiery mason]

it adds chatbot gpt to npcs

[untold arch]

post office?

[vagrant mountain]

one has drop rate boxes, other has utility boxes

[untold arch]

hmm, let me check

[vagrant mountain]

https://gwuam.idleonefficiency.com/players
my IE, it is the two DKs in question

[small igloo]

is using the rock from gaming worth it?

[weary hinge]

has its uses.

[untold arch]

thank you, ill let you know if i find something out

[frank harbor]

How does gaming help you at all? Pretty confused about that

[fiery mason]

even david knos

[vagrant mountain]

thank you 🙏

[weary hinge]

gaming bits has uses on alchemy, and god bonuses

theres more i just dont know it all

[small igloo]

you got people with worship full

[vagrant mountain]

it's not actually full, I have the worship bubble active from companion, IE doesn't show companion bonuses tho

[small igloo]

ah gatcha

[small igloo]

hows doot been? are you getting bonuses from gods you dont have?

[vagrant mountain]

yup, that's why everyone is in lab right now

[small igloo]

crazy

i wish the game gave me doot from my pack green gems

[untold arch]

wait you do get bonuses from gods you dont have unlocked?

[vagrant mountain]

I got it from pack + $20 pack

[vagrant mountain]

yes, not the minor bonuses I think

[small igloo]

ya its bugged

[untold arch]

oh minor bonuses dont work?

that would be dmg, + level of talents from arctis

that might help explain the ios crashing i guess

[vagrant mountain]

don't think I have bonus talent levels from arctis

I literally just hit w5 last night and threw everyone in div so not sure about minor bonuses tbh cuz a lot of it is combat stats

[versed cypress]

as long as your characters have had at least 1 levelin divinity it gives you all th ebonuses form the goods even if you dont have them unlocked

you do NOT get minor lik bonuses increases unless you have the god unlocked and have large divinity levels but you do get all main bonuses

[vagrant mountain]

sounds about right

[versed cypress]

also passive bonuses you do NOT get from doot

[graceful rivet]

Best arena comp to quickly reach round 200? Almost at 125 rn but the time takes forever

[untold arch]

do you remember how long that comp takes for 200

with high performance or w.e setting is called

i want to say 30 mins? but i really can’t remember

[versed cypress]

around 2 hour cause my rattler pet was rather weakish xDDD

if you have a really high level rattler you can reach 200 and finish it in around 30 mins

[fiery mason]

wwas 4 h + i think for me

[small igloo]

all large bubbles and all divinity are the most broken imo

[versed cypress]

its all up to your rattler power and some luck procs of alchemist to get more and more levels of cursed skull bonus

[sacred verge]

lol what is this?

[vagrant mountain]

+25 talents is also very stronk

[fiery mason]

im playing a demo of new cycle, it has added open ai to the game so u can chat with npcs

its pretty awesome, demo is free on steam rn

[versed cypress]

chest access from quick ref is also very very strong for large afk sessions

[small igloo]

ya game gave me like 5 beans tho so i have to wait for the 10 free ones

[fiery mason]

actually care about that one the least

[sacred verge]

cool

[small igloo]

😦

[normal sedge]

honestly sheepie is op

[vagrant mountain]

yeah I enjoy sheepie

[small igloo]

i just like not having to worry about changing out my bubbles

[normal sedge]

yeah lol i somehow prefer that over doot

f

why do i lie

[sacred verge]

i called the quick ref chest access coming like 1-2 months ago and got hated on soo much here in w5 chat bcus it was "never coming" "defeats the purpose of kinetic storage" they said. whos laughing now

[fiery mason]

urs looking lik mine

i just want doot removed

[versed cypress]

shepie ram and slug as extremely good, doot makes divinity somewhat redundant and should have been a bonus offered after w6 has released

[normal sedge]

i have ram and i barely use it

[small igloo]

if he didnt have the stupid increased price i would have been able to do many more draws

[normal sedge]

its habbit how to just go home

and use storage there xd

[versed cypress]

you still need to level divinity to get the best of the bonuses for both minor and passives

[fiery mason]

or just use the start talent#

[sacred verge]

im using it alot, just need to get used to it

[versed cypress]

ram is only really useful if you do very large AFK sessions

[normal sedge]

but it basically means you don't need to worry about inventory space, ever

[fiery mason]

stamps

[normal sedge]

if you take a minute or two anything can fit

but i would trade it over a crystal donut thing if anyones down

[sacred verge]

also for long afk sesh with ES etc you will need space

[normal sedge]

idk i never run into that issue, yet, idk

[sacred verge]

even with 150k carrycap i fill up quite fast at w1-w2-w3

[normal sedge]

ahh yeah i remember my vial sessions

[sacred verge]

w4 and 5 is alright

[vagrant mountain]

more of an early mid game thing, imo. not too important once you get your bags going

[normal sedge]

soon it will be >:)

[versed cypress]

i mean ihave 90+ days of afk to claim some day xDDD so having ram to constantly access the storage to deposit everything constantly so i dont lose materials would be glorious xDDD

[normal sedge]

hahah yeah its definitely useful

[sacred verge]

also for w1 and w2 my bags fill faster than cooldown on kinetic storage. so i had to go back to town to empty

if only i had ram for my 2 year afk claim, lol

[normal sedge]

lololol you shoulda went to get your pet on another char and hope for a ram

[sacred verge]

claimed it some time ago

before pets was a thing

[vagrant mountain]

you guys wanna know something embarrassing? I'm in w5 and still haven't unlocked frigid souls 💀

[sacred verge]

over 2 years straight slaughtering beans 😄 yes im a professional bean killer

[normal sedge]

atleast ur deathnote is pleased

[sacred verge]

well it was with no MK sooo

[weary hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-rowan-atkinson-shocked-surprised-omg-gif-4732484

[sacred verge]

i was lvl 70 before hitting w2, lol

even before hitting carrots

[normal sedge]

btw whats the shadowban cap after the update

anyone know?

[small igloo]

bru, dont even have the anvil tab lol

[normal sedge]

im kinda scared im gonna go over that

[sacred verge]

what do you mean shadowban cap?

[vagrant mountain]

[normal sedge]

if you go over a certain damage on your char you get shadowbanned

[sacred verge]

and what does that mean?

[normal sedge]

i got shadowbanned for once for being too good

it means no one can see you

[sacred verge]

lol

[normal sedge]

and my dungeon is fooked

[sacred verge]

thats redicolous

[normal sedge]

yeah i was like oh well, time to come back after my shadowban is lifted

and i waited a year

good stuff

i think the threshold was 200m or something? It was quite easily achievable

[sacred verge]

well it must be many many billions now

trillions

[vagrant mountain]

damn imagine chasing damage and then getting banned for acquiring too much 💀

[sacred verge]

ppl are hitting trillion for dmg

[normal sedge]

some youtuber has emm let me count

[vagrant mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/no-one-man-should-have-all-that-power-kanye-gif-10895471
high quality gif

[normal sedge]

3407060.9m

and i think hes still fine

[dire flower]

I heard there got ppl got n/a dmg (during the exploit incident )

[normal sedge]

which is a relief

[normal sedge]

gold bar? xd

[true obsidian]

OMg, what a chad

[dire flower]

Yup with gold e300+ or something

[normal sedge]

geez thats more atom than this entire universe

[sacred verge]

the gold bars were crazy

[normal sedge]

did they get banned or something?

[sacred verge]

i literally just yesterday got back my samples after they were deleted

didnt have it in me to resample

[dire flower]

Atom sample cleared
First four boat reset
6th and ahead eldrich artifact revert to ancient

[normal sedge]

is it just them or everyone

[dire flower]

Them only

[normal sedge]

Ahh interesting

because i didn't even know that happened

or i just wasn't lucky enough to have a goldbar to goldbar trade

lol

"lucky"

[sacred verge]

well

it had its charm 😛

been there done that.

[normal sedge]

also the max sailing time is like over 2h anyways

even with a fully maxed boat

emm

it still takes time

[sacred verge]

the min sailing time

[normal sedge]

so not like they can get eldrich arti in a second even with that thing

[sacred verge]

true

ppl who just hit w5 literally got a boost

as they got every boat unlocked and alot of lvls in first ones for free

[normal sedge]

ahh yeah

forgot those slots takes up gold too

[ashen marsh]

guys I need help with gaming, what's the most optimal way to do harvest this one?

[normal sedge]

just go i guess i don't see any optimization possible

its all about cacti and chemical but you don't have it

[glad crow]

you need alot of storage

[sacred verge]

i wish

[normal sedge]

i mean ram still helps

and hey you can get candy whenever you want

good stuff

[sacred verge]

ram is allways welcome in my home ❤️

[steady turret]

Anyone needs to find some arti?

[ashen marsh]

when I click on shovel it doesn't update the nuggets on the top. are the nuggets on the top a personal record?

[normal sedge]

yeah highest one

[weary hinge]

yes. the highest u get replaces it

[steady turret]

nugget is only updated when you find a bigger one

[weary hinge]

so you generally aim to get big nuggy

[ashen marsh]

ahhh

[steady turret]

I've been on my current nugget for over 3months now

[azure spindle]

Same noney

[sacred verge]

whats your nugget guys?

[frank harbor]

I have doot too but I don’t seem to be getting the goat god bonus because when I have players in lab my div does not progress?

[steady turret]

current nugg 23k

[normal sedge]

29k highest nug

[azure spindle]

Around 5k

[dire flower]

In late game you may stuck at thousand for few weeks until get a larger nugget

[weary hinge]

[normal sedge]

whats ur shovel level

[sacred verge]

damn

[fiery mason]

smol 😦

[sacred verge]

my shovel is 131

[normal sedge]

boy my cost is at red bits and i still have 27k?

rigged

[sacred verge]

lol

i went a long time without a good nugget tho

recently got the 40k

[steady turret]

How'd you get that far? your snail is at like 1k?

[sacred verge]

not that i care too much anymore

[normal sedge]

i mean i do have a lot of gems saved up and i get fertilizer whenever possible

[steady turret]

why

[normal sedge]

also you can get 1h progress when afk for 2mins

so yeah just keep spamming

[steady turret]

I don't think it's REALLY 1h when afk for 2min

[deep lodge]

Doesn't do 1h, does it?

[normal sedge]

it does

pretty sure

[deep lodge]

For Sailing I can guarantee it doesn't at least

[steady turret]

I am pretty sure it just says 1h because it cant tell minutes

[sacred verge]

i allways thought it just rounds up th display but the given amount was correct atleast

[normal sedge]

idk for me it always adds some plants

[deep lodge]

A full screen's worth?

[steady turret]

its basically something like Math.ceil(time in minutes/60)

[normal sedge]

no

[steady turret]

probably

[deep lodge]

In 1h you would definitely have a full screen if you're at red bits

[normal sedge]

but a couple

[steady turret]

when your cycle time is like 4min ofc it'll fill the screen in a few min

[normal sedge]

let me turn off my cat and try it

nope, not an full hour for sure but its not 2 minutes neither

idk

more like 20?

[steady turret]

I wonder if with DK you can get triple gaming proc with elephant

[deep lodge]

Can you click the shovel each time?

If you can, then it's confirmed one hour. If you can't, it's less

[steady turret]

almost halfway there, if I wasnt busy with 1b everything w1 i'd be working hard on getting family cooking lvls

[vagrant mountain]

really? it works for me, maybe make sure that you choose a stance at the div altar

[fiery mason]

finaly

[steady turret]

now eldritch

[normal sedge]

gz

[vagrant mountain]

I only have snake god

[normal sedge]

works half of the time thats why my guess is 20minutes

[steady turret]

People advancing divinity before unlocking w5

[normal sedge]

dooooooooooooooooot

https://tenor.com/view/flame-thrower-leonardo-dicaprio-lance-flamme-burn-burning-gif-21661296

[steady turret]

Yeah I got him too but I think it's still broken

But doot will get nerfed or pets will be moved to rift/w5

IMO

[vagrant mountain]

I have w5

[normal sedge]

to buy or not to buy 25$ pack

[muted bramble]

here for my daily check in, did big man give signs of life ?

[steady turret]

then how's your cooking so bad

[normal sedge]

right now 5$ got me ram and thats lucky, but if i buy that 25$

i know im gonna get trash and be sad forever

[vagrant mountain]

i been playing 1month

[steady turret]

or lvl 24 lab

https://tenor.com/view/flame-thrower-leonardo-dicaprio-lance-flamme-burn-burning-gif-21661296
doot

[fiery mason]

he cant nerf doot spenders will be outraged

[steady turret]

Yeah

[vagrant mountain]

idk I rushed w5 so everything is a little lack, all I been doing is keeping up my refinery

[steady turret]

But pets need to be locked in w5 or rift

IMO

or at least the high end ones

and make rates better

[normal sedge]

he needs to milk the w1 newbies too

[lime crow]

yes he can, lots of people are already outraged

[normal sedge]

thats the majority of the playerbase anyways

[vagrant mountain]

no one cares about the f2p salt, but if he makes the spenders angry, he might as well shut down the game cuz no one will pay money for shit that will get nerfed

[steady turret]

enter game,go roll for pet, go buy lootboxes, unbox magma armor tier stuff but better and with lvl 25 requirement , unbox +2500 all stat trophy , be happy

[atomic wing]

Might as well just make it fully pay to win

Just remove grinding all together

[lime crow]

if no one cared about f2p salt then we would have updates in future-content-blog this week

[normal sedge]

might as well diablo

might as well

[steady turret]

Diablo immor(t)al?

[normal sedge]

mmm

[steady turret]

Freudian slip.

[fiery mason]

soooo with ancient fury unlockd should i just keep all boats there for eldrich or unlock eldrich of early islands first ?

[normal sedge]

captilization and monitization

red gems soon^tm

[steady turret]

I need it to become E24

or w/e comes after letters

lvl 40 plates look kinda cool ngl

[steady turret]

if you lack speed then eldritch speed arti and eldritch arti% artifact might be worth

[normal sedge]

they had sprites for different plates before

not anymore

looks boring

[normal sedge]

on table

[steady turret]

yeah

[molten kayak]

got trolled yet again

had 1 boat going here and everyone else going to fury island

[fiery mason]

damn

[steady turret]

at least you see the sprites in the menu?

[vagrant mountain]

this isn't an offline game, there are upkeep costs for keeping the game running as well as personal costs, he needs to make money off the game. look at the toxicity of this discord, the people are literally trying to make lava do things out of public pressure, there is nothing he can say right now that won't make people angry. one of the best things to do right now from lava's pov is nothing and wait for all the angries to quit or shut the fuck up

[fiery mason]

there are many ways to monetize this was just terrible no point in defending it

[lime crow]

so you're saying he does care about f2p salt?

[steady turret]

had he said before he was struggling finacially I'm sure people would've been more than fine with paying to some degree

[lime crow]

lava was already making money on the game

[steady turret]

but this gacha shit is outrageous

[lime crow]

it's not like he went from $0 income to "livable"

[normal sedge]

my feaking gosh 66m kill and still havent gotten that recipe

[ashen marsh]

I gave him $350

he's not struggling

[vagrant mountain]

I'm not gonna keep this conversation going, lava did what he did. if you don't like it then stop playing the game, that's it.

[lime crow]

no everything is that black and white but ok

[steady turret]

@vagrant mountain you are aware idleon was in the top profiting games of the month globally for a while and still is in the top 100 as far as I am aware,right?

[normal sedge]

he kinda promised that it will always be f2p

thats why

[fiery mason]

we can and should complain

[normal sedge]

if its gatcha from the beginning

[fiery mason]

we are his customers

[normal sedge]

well its our choice

but a promise is a promise imo

[vagrant mountain]

these are all the same arguments that have been echoing for a week

[normal sedge]

because no response

[lime crow]

yeah man maybe theyd stop echoing if the dev addressed them

[vagrant mountain]

obviously he isn't going to go back on what he did

[muted bramble]

doesnt make them wrong

[vagrant mountain]

doesn't make them right either

[normal sedge]

not right, but understandable

[muted bramble]

whats that famous quote again, something about not learning and staying a fool or something

[normal sedge]

its just the community sad for losing some old spirit

and for such an abrupt change in playstyle

[untold arch]

The ignoring will continue until morale improves

[fiery mason]

tons of peopl where hapily buying any bundle hed offer but this predatory gambling is unacceptable

[little dawn]

Just because it’s been a week doesn’t mean the points have suddenly become invalid…

[normal sedge]

it's not morale, its succumbing to reality

[steady turret]

I mean rift was super awesome

[lime crow]

that literally doesnt even mean anything x_x

[normal sedge]

thats tough, but thats life

[untold arch]

its a play on a semi-famous quote lol

[fiery mason]

well he was a beloved dev now almost everyone is bitter he sold out and there is no easy going back now

[normal sedge]

he was a pure baby 😛

[vagrant mountain]

goes both ways, I see both sides. I've spent my fair share of money on countless games and idleon doesn't come close to the predatory practices of a lot more popular games

[lime crow]

he could fix it if he listened to people and made change, i don't think its too late imo. but going quiet is a bad strategy.

[untold arch]

he just wants to talk about game as opposed to seeing the same complaints repeated — but yeah does not look like the complaints will die down any time soon 😅

[normal sedge]

now hes a grown man and the world shaped him into majority

so sad

but he will for sure do better now

[lime crow]

what is your actual point? we shouldnt fix broken things because more broken things exist?

[normal sedge]

i bet profit is atleast 3x than before

[untold arch]

this almost sounds like he was forced into it or something, its purely his decision alone

[vagrant mountain]

maybe don't look at it as a 100% broken thing. stop being so salty and try to play the game.

[molten kayak]

feel like uoure not looking at the long-term picture

[untold arch]

i think if you saw the msgs and how he interacted with the community/were a longer term player your opinion would be different

[molten kayak]

the issue isnt literally just this update

[vagrant mountain]

if you literally can't enjoy the game because of doot then leave a 1 star review and gtfo

[untold arch]

either way cant control what other people do ; the complaints wont stop lol

[thin rose]

Doot enjoyer has to be baiting for attention

[untold arch]

now thats just dimissive

[molten kayak]

its just a difference of opinion

[untold arch]

ye

[vagrant mountain]

nah I'm just sick of reading the fud in here, I enjoy playing the game and there is no progress in these discussions.

[untold arch]

which is perfectly valid

[molten kayak]

but I think he would think differently if knew how lavs acted in the past too

[thin rose]

it's been like that for 6 days there's no point complaining about it at this point

[coral canopy]

Because the input is lacking from the dev

[vagrant mountain]

I want to talk about w5 not about lava's decisions

[lime crow]

maybe if your solution is to tell everyone to stop playing the game if they don't like doot isn't a good one. and maybe you need to go to a different discord because right now we are discussing the game

[lusty thorn]

The gazillionaire said anything ? About the update

[untold arch]

nothing

[vagrant mountain]

I was having a good time here talking about divinity before this turned into a doot chat

[lime crow]

don't look at it as a 100% fine thing. you're allowed to criticize things you like. the only two options are not "log off forever" and "shut up", we LIKE idleon and want to see it not die

[molten cairn]

well divinity is a doot skill so....

[thin rose]

Don't worry about it when lavaflame3 comes it's all gonna be okay

[deep lodge]

Everything is a doot skill

[coral canopy]

Lolololololol

[normal sedge]

I just think its such a big fuzz because doot is too op

[coral canopy]

I saw that

[vagrant mountain]

you have literally contributed nothing except what ifs and nuh uhs

[normal sedge]

its basically free w4 skill and free w5 skill

[normal sedge]

xd

[molten kayak]

his point is valid?

have you never felt invested in something before and seen it begin going to shit

the argument is "just quit" is so stupid

[patent surge]

[lime crow]

and you have told everyone to stop playing Idleon as the solution to this controversy lol

[patent surge]

why is it doot talk again

go gen to mald about doot

[molten cairn]

contrarian MO is to never get invested

[deep lodge]

Because doot boosts every W5 skill

[molten kayak]

become apathetic to everything and nothing will ever bother you

[stoic tiger]

Do you think seals know that they are just ocean dogs?

[lunar reef]

What ever happened to As a solo developer, I feast upon the suggestions and feedback provided by my supportive players.

[fast summit]

Money

[vagrant mountain]

my argument is try to enjoy the game and if you literally can't play the game anymore because of this update, stop flooding the discord with toxicity and stop playing the game? your arguments have been, "but I don't like this update, so we should try to change lava's mind"

[molten cairn]

oh he's feasting alright

[lime crow]

yeah that's a bad solution dude

[steady turret]

Drowning in Washington's

[normal sedge]

lol feast

[patent surge]

i mean yes, but mald in gen instead

[lime crow]

we like playing idleon and want to see this change fixed 🤷‍♂️

[normal sedge]

just one time he punched some holes in his wall lol

[vagrant mountain]

I think public peer pressure is just as bad if not worse

[normal sedge]

maybe hes using this money to fix his wall

[deep lodge]

I don't like gen

[lunar reef]

What ever happened to My community has been at the heart of my rise as a game developer, and I have every intention to keep my players at the center of development. as well

[normal sedge]

its our karma

[patent surge]

i'm holding out some hopium for his fix

[molten kayak]

Im still enjoying the game plenty, and mainly talking about the update in endgame talk instead

but complaints are 100% valid and should not be stopped

not every channel needs itt ho I agree with you

[coral canopy]

Public pressure is not necessary when we aren't dealing with an Ostrich

[steady turret]

Whales which are those who he relied on most displayed their unhappiness with this system.
Same goes for content creators

[normal sedge]

voice should be heard but not suppressed

[vagrant mountain]

Ok I'm done with this discussion, I've said my part. Please don't tag me anymore. have a nice day.

[lunar reef]

Hell an "I'm sorry, I'll do better" would go miles for improving relations

[lime crow]

the man is a developer, not an 8th grader. this is not "public peer pressure", it's feedback on a private forum dedicated to talking about the game.

[lunar reef]

The silence is deafening

[normal sedge]

hes a nice dude and the community has always been supportive

[lime crow]

exactly

[normal sedge]

just not this time

and i think hes coping as well for such a drastic change

[coral canopy]

Tbh, I wouldn't buy a sorry at this point anymore. Also not quite sure what I do wanna hear.

[normal sedge]

it's not easy for both side

[coral canopy]

It's just... Sad

[steady turret]

By many people who paid the man tens if not hundreds of dollars previously happy to support him financially

[normal sedge]

i bought most of the packs before but im questioning if i should get the green gem pack this time

[coral canopy]

I honestly miss elitists
shaming me for my reading skills and laughing at my samples

[fading cape]

This is the third time I remember the community as a majority disagreeing with a policy of his. I do empathize with him though. One person trying to manage all this can become an identity. Wonder if he's hired someone to represent the PR aspect of it.

[normal sedge]

because its not a desireable direction

[thin rose]

I miss tony

[steady turret]

The game is big if he's making enough he definitely could pay someone to help him with "customer"(user) relations

[untold arch]

that would cost money

[normal sedge]

he usually does it well with his frequet update and jokes and puns

[fleet kiln]

The man refuses to use free code and fix things he's warned of ahead of time, what makes you think he would admit having someone do pr is better than him doing it himself

[untold arch]

also hes spoken about having a community manager several times

[coral canopy]

Everyone can understand his situation, his bills to pay, life standard, advertisements etc. But the things that made his game great and we'll received by the community, we're left behind when releasing the update.

[versed cypress]

another day another time to make everyone go at each others throats.... seriusly this chat never fails to deliver

[coral canopy]

It's a choice that has been made.

[steady turret]

People are buying the packages and on top of that others are buying gem packs and now pets with them being like 2-3$/roll.

If anything now he has the money for it

[thin rose]

tbf this could just be idle skilling 2.0

[coral canopy]

Cannot please everybody for ever...

[untold arch]

yeah but would that make him more money

[lost beacon]

I would be pleased if we got an update today.

[untold arch]

likewise

[normal sedge]

honestly i just feel like if pets don't rotate all this issue would be fine

[thin rose]

Yeah you think almost a week later he'd say something

[versed cypress]

withlava not even being inline i doubt it,

[normal sedge]

f2p can get everything, just takes longer

[thin rose]

??

[normal sedge]

should be how it is

[thin rose]

Trolling

[untold arch]

technically you can just never get certain pets, even assuming 100 years, never lucky

[fiery mason]

doot is broken and shouldnt exist, but its 2 late no

[mild wadi]

Tbf the way things are now, everyone will get a doot unless lava shuts the server down
No statement so we can only assume he's abandoned it

[normal sedge]

this holds true even if you spend millions of real life money

[versed cypress]

the system is bad, because one, doesnt have a pity system to limit spending and guarantee you getting everything at some point, 2 doesnt have a mechanic that prevents predatory FOMO abuse, and f2p players are just left in the dust of maybe you get some maybe you get nothing of value

[normal sedge]

but still

[coral canopy]

It should have been a later world feature imo.

[normal sedge]

rotating itself sounds like a bad move

[untold arch]

i have seen folks spend >$600 and no doot, dunno how many rolls is that

[thin rose]

Too many

[molten cairn]

yes, you've just detailed the actual issue with it. Have to gamble, cna't purchase

[final relic]

if doot was going to be a thing it shouldnt have came out for another year at least. divinity is too new for such a buff

[steady turret]

Obviously but many many games in the past have literally died over bad decisions when it comes to choosing which crowd to cater to, sometimes it's catering too much to dedicated people or paying people and sometimes it's trying to make the game more approachable and making your core players leave, obviously it's not something easy to do but I'm sure lava knew how big these buffs were and he could estimate how pricey it would be to obtain them

[normal sedge]

the community is mostly f2p, but the whales are what pays his bills

[steady turret]

Not many, rolls get expensive when your treat upgrades.

[normal sedge]

its hard to pick which side to love

[versed cypress]

if the system had a pity mechanic where you CANT get dupes untill you have unlocked all pets, then yo get the whales and the ppl that want all bonuses day one spending money to farm those, and those that play f2p will eventualy get it in a reasonable ammount of time as well

[mild wadi]

Seems a few whales have left already though

[versed cypress]

you will get it all and you know how much it will eventualy cost you if you want to pay

[normal sedge]

but some other whales spent 1000$

[lunar reef]

Pretty sure there's a big chunk of dolphins as well

[normal sedge]

which is probably more than what those who left spent

and will spend

[mild wadi]

I'm up to around $500 total, stopped spending after day 1 of this update and I won't spend more til there's a better system in place

[molten cairn]

you're angling for that ban today huh?

[fiery mason]

he could add stuff like premium hats for the whales idc if its cosmetic + 5 mainstat

more cosmetics in general

[normal sedge]

im down for some cosmetics

[mild wadi]

No chance all he did was screenshot lavas own words

[untold arch]

#idleon-gen-chat message

[ashen marsh]

is this worth lvling up?

[steady turret]

"f2p" that buys autoloot and a few packages.
Many are like that and so am I, I think I've spend like 100$ on idleon? There are thousands like me if not more.

Obviously whales spend 20 times as much but they're a smaller group.

[untold arch]

lmao, those are his words, attached the post

[fiery mason]

or let us buy pets with blue gems once rotation rolls over, that way spenders get early benefit but rest of us can catch em later

[mild wadi]

Lol

#idleon-gen-chat message

[fiery mason]

but what ever he does its toooo late cant remove doot

[versed cypress]

i mena he doesnt need to remove doot

[normal sedge]

yeah just hope doot is more accessible

[untold arch]

he is very correct it seems

[versed cypress]

again the problem is not bonus, its the lack of proper access to the bonuses

[molten cairn]

#endgame-gen-chat message
🫡

[normal sedge]

and less rng

[versed cypress]

f2p ppl dont have access to them, and even paying players and even whales cant know if they will get it

[steady turret]

He can just reward those who've paid relatively to how much they're paid and improve the rates and fix up pets for the rest of the players

[mild wadi]

Don't snitch

[normal sedge]

f2p can't even do pet trading lol

thats the weirdest part

[molten cairn]

tbh if he goes too I'm following

[normal sedge]

i understand why that's the case but

[versed cypress]

yeah free pets dont give any gems when recycled and cant be traded

[thin rose]

That's not weird at all?

[fiery mason]

will discourage spenders nxt time he offers something at that price

[normal sedge]

yeah atleast make them able to sell for gems right

and get tradeable ones

with those gems

[thin rose]

People would just make new accounts, roll for pets and trade it themselves

[steady turret]

He could've added a system in w5 that makes a pet tradeable once a month or every 2 weeks so f2p can trade

[normal sedge]

yeah sure 5 weeks for one tradeable roll

[steady turret]

Not tradeable roll

[normal sedge]

thats too big of a commitment for me

[steady turret]

Convert one unreadable to tradeable

[thin rose]

Idleon is a big commitment

[steady turret]

Of your choice

[mild wadi]

Not sure if they're seriously going to move but some people have made a bunch of new accounts and when they free roll doot they play that account

[thin rose]

I've seen some of those

Lvl 10 gamers with doot

[versed cypress]

anyhow, he needs to implement a pity system, he needs to implement a way for f2p farming the gems to roll OR give a way for f2p ppl to get all the bonuses in the duration of the season, if you play for the entire pet seasson rotation you get them all,

[thin rose]

Ngl if I could multi instance idleon on steam I'd definitely have multiple accounts

[muted bramble]

the difference is that the other predatory games had already implemented their scummy practice in the game while you bought it and invested time and money in it so you knew what you were in for, while this is just an update that got added years after people invested hundred if not thousands of hours in it

[versed cypress]

and maybe the extra rolls can be for like shiny pets, which bcome the things to trade, and just give small bonuses and a sense of prestige to have

[thin rose]

Yeah lava already brought up the idea of shiny pets on stream

[muted bramble]

majority of people are just waiting for his first move, if its a bad one he will lose the community and the game is gonna tank, its all in his hand

[normal sedge]

on top of this follower system?

shiny pet is a oh no

[versed cypress]

but make it so you do not get shiny pets or DUPES unitll you get all the base pets for the actual good bonuses

[thin rose]

To be fair even if lava doesn't reply I'm still playing the game

[normal sedge]

me and my 3 bloque

[thin rose]

There's no real alternative to idleon

[versed cypress]

shiny pets can be just a status symbol and honestly ppl would still rush to get them

[mild wadi]

Next update: introducing shiny pets, only 1000 green gems per roll
goes MIA again

[normal sedge]

hes online now

[halcyon basalt]

do we have a list of bonuses that Helium affects?

[muted bramble]

probably gonna go on a ban spree like he did in the couple past days, was good to see you guys.

[mild wadi]

He looks perma online

[normal sedge]

it wasn't a while ago

[thin rose]

I imagine if he is gonna say anything it's gonna be when he "fixes" it so imagine he's working on it