fixed
#deprecated
dawn wharf
Firma: Civilization FAQ:
Q: "Can you make X boat look more like Y boat?"
A: "No, they're different boats, they look different for a reason."
Q: "The models aren't Minecrafty, can you make them more Minecrafty?"
A: "Yes they are, suck it up"
Q: "Is it an oar or a paddle?"
A: "If it's for rowing, it's an oar, if it's for paddling a canoe or kayak, it's a paddle"
Q: "Aren't oars a type of paddle?"
A: "No they are not, now please shut up"
Q: "Can I use generative AI?"
A: "No, that is categorically immoral"
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046477068143181924/1175311422830428210/modimage-1.png
naive tendon
naive tendon
Remove the paddles and it is a canoe
dawn wharf
please refer to the FAQ:
#1046477068143181924 message
naive tendon
This image is just a random canoe I found
naive tendon
Yes, he is clearly incompetent and using rowboat paddles on a canoe
naive tendon
"A paddle is a handheld tool with an elongated handle and a flat, widened distal end, used as a lever to apply force onto the bladed end"
Both an oar and a paddle
dawn wharf
nah, that's an oar
you row with oars
they're a totally different shape and purpose
please refer to the FAQ in the future:
#1046477068143181924 message
gloomy lichen
unable to suck it up please provide a recipe for straws
serene spear
I dig the kayak model didnt feel out of place at all
The vanilla boat is more immersion breaking than anything here lel
dawn wharf
❤️
serene spear
Im hoping you complete the roadmap all of that would build into something quite nice, at least I feel so.
dawn wharf
working on it right now 🙂
serene spear
Ayee best of luck I deeply enjoy alternate but immersive transportation especially in my pack with create being my late solution for land transport this fills a spot perfectly ^^
last fulcrum
dawn wharf
🙏
gloomy lichen
is tallow ever used as a wood sealant
gloomy lichen
https://media.oglaf.com/comic/closed-casket.jpg
It's not October anymore but the idea of a coffin canoe easter egg makes me smile.
dawn wharf
much like base tfc has the bucket, firmaciv will have... the vanilla boat
gloomy lichen
Vanilla boat is kinda like a coffin tbh
chrome ginkgo
That looks pretty neat, when will this be added
dawn wharf
before the end of the year, maybe
ancient pendant
I love peeking in here and looking at the progress, that’s a nice boat model
naive tendon
It's very nice, no oddly sharp edges 👌
dawn wharf
I've had this model for a few months but I guess I figured I would post it again, lol
dusky lance
That looks sick!
dawn wharf
gloomy lichen
Please keep feet inside the vehicle at all times. /j
faint tartan
looks so nice
olive ingot
oh dang see I didn't realize there was a whole pack tied to the boats lol
dawn wharf
oh dang see I didn't realize there was a whole pack tied to the boats lol
I have an official modpack for this but it's actually a standalone mod
dawn wharf
Please keep feet inside the vehicle at all times. /j
this was the old mod icon 😛
from a year ago
dawn wharf
yes
olive ingot
hype
faint tartan
https://modrinth.com/mod/firmacivilization
is it already in 1.20.1?
dawn wharf
try clicking on it?
it's been 1.20 for like a week
Firma Civilization (Firmaciv) (1.18, 1.20)
Firma Civilization (Firmaciv)
faint tartan
I thought it was still heavily WIP lol
faint tartan
why does everyone think that
curseforge doesnt have 1.20
faint tartan
forgot how alpha never show up
autumn obsidian
BUG
i picked up a birch twig in a survival world and got the oar advancement
gloomy lichen
It's a very determined twig. It thinks it can, you just need a smaller boat.
autumn obsidian
whoopsie
dawn wharf
I added that achievement a looooong time ago
autumn obsidian
i see lol
chrome ginkgo
Is the bug fixed?
fallow spear
Is this bug fixed btw?
dawn wharf
Is this bug fixed btw?
yes, it's also fixed for 1.18
1.18 needs an additional fix for that though, I broke the kayak pose in the process
dawn wharf
btw, looks like there's a shader problem with water occlusion render layers
thats why they look so dark on the inside
it happens to vanilla boats too
chrome ginkgo
The 3d textures are very neat. Keep up the nice work
serene spear
Beautiful ^^
dawn wharf
lol
dawn wharf
thanks for 15k ❤️
autumn obsidian
i want all the things its doing 👍
dawn wharf
15k on the old feature set
buoyant echo
Not dissing the kayak, but i really really like the canoe and rowboat models, theyre so good
dawn wharf
thank you ❤️
high panther
I love this mod, the early boats are so good for TFC gameplay
and the immersive coordinate stuff is just really fun
dawn wharf
wicked lion
neat
dawn wharf
- make third-person automatic for rowboat pilot seat?
- if the boat has been still for long enough, animals should leave
- tell the user what they can do with empty compartments they're looking at (paddle, pilot, place, passenger)
- other block compartments
- logpile
- large vessel
- barrel
- workbench
- make kayak ride slightly higher in the water without affecting how it appears on land
- kayak paddle, canoe paddle, oar in-hand models?
- navigation tools in-hand models
- watercraft frames
- models x 20
- blockstates x 20
- block entity
- stop kelp from slowing down boats
- interact with other compartments while riding the same boat
- fix boat renderer mixin
- tow boats with leads
- show "sneak + rmb to eject" when a mob is riding a compartment
this is pretty much the backlog for next release
I kinda wanna add paddling animations for canoes and kayaks but I have no idea how rn
but that hasn't stopped me in the past so who knows
dawn wharf
unreal beacon
Would you consider giving the outrigger a crab claw sail, as opposed to the Bermuda rig? Would fit the Polynesian style more.
Something similar to this.
dawn wharf
yeah, I'm not married to the rigging on that one 😛
dawn wharf
Would you consider giving the outrigger a crab claw sail, as opposed to the Berm...
that said i also need to make sure I can animate it properly
and some rigging types will just be easier than others for that
unreal beacon
That makes sense. It looks fantastic regardless.
dawn wharf
That makes sense. It looks fantastic regardless.
this could be really difficult cause it folds on two dimensions unlike bermuda rigging but we'll see what happens
I might not be able to do it
I'm trying something stupid, let's see if it works
if it looks like I'm inventing 3D animation from scratch, well...
autumn obsidian
triangle
burnt mesa
Windwaker Music starts
dawn wharf
I thiiiiink I can algorithmically send ripples through the sail based on windspeed, on top of the actual sailing animations
idk
90% sure the mast and sail will be separate entities...
burnt mesa
Rubberbanding due to bad connections is gonna look crazy lol
dawn wharf
@glass sleet keeping this as a product testimonial 😇
autumn obsidian
lmao
dawn wharf
Would you consider giving the outrigger a crab claw sail, as opposed to the Berm...
I think I'm going to start with bermuda rigging on the outrigger but i might change it down the line. I understand the physics of bermuda rigging better and I basically need to understand it okay in order for to not look silly
unreal beacon
That's understandable. Whatever choice makes the mod better is ultimately the right choice. Regardless, I'm excited to see where the mod goes from here.
buoyant echo
VALHEIM MENTIONED
SKELETON SURPRISE
dawn wharf
i dont know how old this piece of paper is
but it has the plans for 2 sizes of ship
the top one is the sloop I've been working on
soooo now you have an idea of the scale of my plans 😛
and the sloop could now be argued to be 8 blocks long, minus the bowsprit
so the next one is probably gonna be proportionally longer too
I also have no idea what kind of rigging to do for the next size up
I was also kind of wondering if the sloop should be a cutter
but I think only working with 2 sails is probably enough for me to get started with
but a cutter doesn't seem like a big enough step up from a sloop in terms of rigging, for ship #2
I think ship 2 should have 2 masts
maybe a schooner like this one
I still wanna be wary of long boats until I figure out the hitbox situation though
unreal beacon
For a 2 masted ship, I think a brig or brigantine would be more interesting, since it would offer a different sail shape than the sloop. Though I'm not sure how difficult square rigged sails would be to implement.
dawn wharf
I'd have to figure out how square rigging works 😛
things are still pretty cartoony, but less than small ships for example
especially since I'd want to know how the sails react in different conditions
it adds another layer of complexity i guess
aesthetics, game balance, gameplay, and my ability to actually implement the visuals to be close enough to the real thing 😛
unreal beacon
I think a bit of cartoony-ness is unavoidable, considering you're working within the constraints of Minecraft. You seem like you've struck a pretty good balance with the ships you've implemented so far, though.
dawn wharf
the diference between this and small ships is that these ones are more or less supposed to be realistically scaled
like you might reasonably make a 3 meter long rowboat or an 8 meter long sloop irl
unreal beacon
I realized the proportions in small ships were a bit off when I could plop their largest ship in a moderately sized pond.
dawn wharf
might switch the sloop to gaff rigging
dunno
we'll see once I get closer to final on the look of the sails in general
high panther
maybe a schooner like this one
Dhow or cog for the next size up IMO
Technologically accurate and pretty easy to model
And both could have two masts and it wouldn't be weird, tho both typically had just one large one
dawn wharf
dawn wharf
just wait until the sail is set up
it won't ever be straight
it's gonna look gorgeous 🙂
gloomy lichen
So it'll have GMOD ragdoll physics
dawn wharf
no
gloomy lichen
turbid kelp
boat mom ?
dawn wharf
boat mom ?
hm?
turbid kelp
cool nickname
dawn wharf
oh, lol
gloomy lichen
It was mommy, got changed
grim karma
It was mommy, got changed
Thankfully
dawn wharf
yeah, I wasn't going to let that joke run too long
gloomy lichen
It implied one hell of an epidural painkiller dose that's for certain
dawn wharf
dude, why.
heavy pasture
hm?
gloomy lichen
Will larger boats be able to break ice at sea rather than come to a dead halt
grim karma
If the ice is too big or it is blue ice it could sink Titanic style
Only those big icebergs have blue ice so checking for it should be easier than checking for big ice
burnt mesa
Hyper, will you join my server when I add FC? 😋
quasi peak
[ deleted ] Reasons: Wrong Channel
dawn wharf
what?
dawn wharf
Hyper, will you join my server when I add FC? 😋
maybe 😛
uneven dune
It would be a great place to find out how people play your mod in the wild
dawn wharf
for sure
no ones really used it on a decently sized server before
i think
I'm not sure lol
quasi peak
what?
that's the texture for Create: Rails N' Steam, that's one of 6 woods I've done so far.
dawn wharf
Hyper, will you join my server when I add FC? 😋
just waiting on some stuff from traister before the release, it's basically feature-complete
this is gonna be one of those updates where the changelog is like 2 pages long
burnt mesa
Nice. Just like TFC 1.20 lol
quasi peak
why are you sharing it here 😛
just want feedback.
i've seen some of you asking for a feedback on a texture as a block or item. it's nothing new, tho
dawn wharf
I can give you feedback but this isn't the content dev channel, it's the thread for my mod...
quasi peak
I can give you feedback but this isn't the content dev channel, it's the thread ...
don't realize that i was on the wrong channel, thanks for pointing out that.
dawn wharf
grim karma
wow, beautiful
dawn wharf
0.1.0 is out, and it's by far the biggest update yet!
be aware that it's in alpha and there may be bugs. if you encounter any, please contact me or add them to the issues page on Github!!
getting into megabyte territory 😅
dawn wharf
i forgot to change the recording settings from streaming so it's super compressed 😛
I'll just have to remember next time there's a major update
slate quail
off topic, whats with the hunger bar?
dawn wharf
off topic, whats with the hunger bar?
looks like my character is a little hungry
slate quail
i meant why is there icons on it
dawn wharf
it's my resourcepack
dawn wharf
i meant why is there icons on it
slate quail
Ah thank you
autumn obsidian
redstone at least
dawn wharf
redstone at least
wdym, the person or the... stone
autumn obsidian
Ah thank you
this fellow
burnt mesa
So far I haven't done much testing Hyper, but it does look like even with the config to disable vanilla boats set to true, I can still place them and use them.
high panther
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PzevhVefBs
This is so damn good
I know this is all im saying
in this chat
but im just saying the truth
dawn wharf
This is so damn good
❤️❤️
dawn wharf
btw, there are some bugs right now that might make it annoying, but not at all impossible, to make rowboats in survival
notably, oarlocks don't drop themselves, and neither do shipwright's scaffolding (which are called Angled Frames or something in this release)
they also take forever to break
I'm working on a fix right now
dawn wharf
https://modrinth.com/mod/firmacivilization/version/0.1.1-alpha
https://legacy.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/firmacivilization/files/4920841
Huge bugfix update for yesterday's big release!
-
Fixed a bug where the firmaciv compass did not rotate correctly at certain angles
-
Fixed a bug where the canoe's health was 8 times lower than it was supposed to be
-
Fixed a bug where players using the Better Third Person mod would forcibly and incorrectly rotate compartments when they enter them from third person
-
Fixed a bug where player leg outer layers were not positioned correctly in compartments with custom sitting poses (kayak, canoe, rowboat middle seats)
-
Fixed a bug where compartment and cleat status icons became slightly misaligned when the Minecraft window had an odd numbered height
-
Fix broken translations on canoe component blocks
-
Fix incorrect translation on Shipwright's Scaffolding
-
Fix Oarlocks not being assigned a tool and not dropping anything
-
Fix Shipwright's Scaffolding not being assigned a tool and not dropping anything
uneven dune
damn you work fast
dawn wharf
damn you work fast
these were all pretty easy fixes
dawn wharf
0.1.2 - minor rework of the vanilla boat disabling stuff
dawn wharf
question anyone who's been playing on 0.1.0 and later
is it too hard to find the right type of wood to make a canoe?
glass flume
I don't think so
dawn wharf
I don't think so
have you tested on a server?
glass flume
Not yet but I can
slate quail
What wood do you need to make a canoe?
dawn wharf
Firma Civilization (Firmaciv) (1.20, 1.18)
Firma: Civilization (Firmaciv) (1.20, 1.18)
burnt mesa
Firmaciv broke small ships 😭
dawn wharf
let me take a look, I've tested them together before
burnt mesa
Thanks!
dawn wharf
small ships uses some extremely suspicious boat mixins though
I really dont know why they chose to do it that way
regal vortex
I'm thinking about trying this mod, does it require any keybinds? Controller player here
regal vortex
Awesome, thanks
slate quail
so everytime i get into a non firma civ boat i get The game crashed whilst unexpected error
Error: org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.injection.callback.CancellationException: The call m_7310_ is not cancellable.
dawn wharf
it should be fixed in 0.1.4
it's a conflict between small ships and firmaciv, they both (as of 0.1.3) mixed into the same class
small ships has an enormous amount of boat mixins for some unknown reason
waxen elk
BTW, the TFC Mangrove Boat is still craftable. I think all are supposed to not be?
waxen elk
Was about to say I did an update earlier.
dawn wharf
I don't think that made into the release
I'll look at it in a little bit
in the meantime, it's up to you whether you want to craft a mangrove boat I guess 😛
it won't work
waxen elk
Oh? So the boats don't work? I was about to make some dummy items to work around breaking the balance of Civ so that I would be able to craft the Small Ships. But if the regular boats don't work either way, can just readd their recipe with KubeJS.
dawn wharf
if you're using small ships you will need to manually re-enable boat recipes, or make new ship recipes
firmaciv is not expected to be compatible with small ships by default
it will have its own ships soon
waxen elk
With KubeJS, re-anabling/making a new recipe should be easy.
glass flume
There also is a bamboo raft in Minecraft now, should remove that
dawn wharf
that should be done in dev
buoyant echo
You should add a raft version of the canoes that would be awesome
Have it be like 2x2 or smth
dawn wharf
You should add a raft version of the canoes that would be awesome
I was thinking about adding a raft at the same tier just so it's easier to find materials to make one, but I'm not sure
cunning crest
Hyper, are you porting all of the TerraFirmaThings features? Seems like you're taking on a lot.
burnt mesa
Works great now!
dawn wharf
Hyper, are you porting all of the TerraFirmaThings features? Seems like you're t...
I might just port the ones I like
dawn wharf
or the ones that make the most sense in modern tfc
faint tartan
Sick
dawn wharf
doing a lot of rowing around in the rowboat is hurting my brain a little because of the camera controls
I'll have to look into doing a custom third-person camera for rowboats I think
dawn wharf
boats in ice! weird.
dawn wharf
lots of things you can test on your own 😛
dawn wharf
update coming today to make navigation tools bronze age instead of steel age
I didn't realize that glassworking required steel
burnt mesa
Glassworking doesn't require steel...?
autumn obsidian
does it?
burnt mesa
Nope, I got glass going while still in bronze age.
autumn obsidian
i was able to make a glass bottle before simon made the blast furnace on pluto's server
dawn wharf
how did you get the gem saw?
burnt mesa
Lapis
slate quail
Pyrite
dawn wharf
let me double check but I'm pretty sure you can only quern uncut gems
burnt mesa
There are 3 tiers of gemstones. Diamond ruby and emerald are the ones that need a steel pick.
dawn wharf
hmmmmm
burnt mesa
I mean, testing aside. I did get glass in the bronze age.
dawn wharf
I might still make cut gems powederable
autumn obsidian
check first
dawn wharf
check what?
burnt mesa
How are you getting cut gems before uncut ones???
glass flume
sluice I think
dawn wharf
from a sluice
I pretty much never mine for the other bronze components, I just use river deposits
burnt mesa
Ah, yeah. You need to mine a gemstone ore to get your gem saw.
dawn wharf
so I end up sluicing a lot of gravel and I have a bunch of gems
idk, it still doesn't make sense to me that you can't grind the cut ones
burnt mesa
I feel like sluicing needs to give uncut gems..
burnt mesa
idk, it still doesn't make sense to me that you can't grind the cut ones
Agreed
buoyant echo
sometimes my boats break and kinda fuck with the hud and wont be movable. the little icon next to the crosshair stops appearing and opening a menu while looking at it throws the ui into the corner
dawn wharf
sometimes my boats break and kinda fuck with the hud and wont be movable. the li...
this is a known bug, you can always check/use the issue reporter on github
dawn wharf
sometimes my boats break and kinda fuck with the hud and wont be movable. the li...
if you want to report the other part of that bug, with reproduction steps and details, please do!!
buoyant echo
Im not quite sure what i did to cause it, but while i looked at the boat, the WTHIT icon stopped working, itd be either absent entirely or off on the right side of the screen. The same happened when i opened my inventory and again when i tried to relog. Simply looking away seemed to fix that, and relogging fixed the boat
burnt mesa
Major server crash due to whatever this is:
burnt mesa
It was a bit hectic, but it was either the chickens in two different canoes or something in the two chest filled canoes.
dawn wharf
hm, ok
dawn wharf
It was a bit hectic, but it was either the chickens in two different canoes or s...
can you try your best to put this in the issue tracker along with the log
dawn wharf
0.1.8 is out
- Fix Navigator's Timepiece item heat data
- Fix dedicated server crash from boat control code
- Add custom Compass to creative tab
- Anvils can now be stored in boats but are not usable
- Workbenches can now be placed in boats and are fully functional (traister101)
- Compartments now render their blocks larger in rowboats
- Change the positioning of compartments in canoes
it's also on curseforge but they take forever to approve 😛
burnt mesa
Hurray!
ancient pendant
I love peeking in on the progress of this mod now and then
chrome ginkgo
Its fun to do, especially at the right timing and you get to see lots of progress
uneven dune
My KubeJS gets flooded with errors about failing to parse florae and afc boat recipes:
[02:29:11] [WARN] Failed to parse recipe 'afc:crafting/wood/boabab_boat[minecraft:crafting_shaped]'! Falling back to vanilla: ItemStack 'result' can't be empty!
I have never installed either mod. Deleting afc and florae folders in the firmaciv.jar fixes it
dawn wharf
yeah, I'm aware...
considering some options
it might be possible to not load those folders if the mods aren't found.
dawn wharf
My KubeJS gets flooded with errors about failing to parse florae and afc boat re...
if you want I would encourage you to add it to the issue tracker on github
gloomy lichen
My KubeJS gets flooded with errors about failing to parse florae and afc boat re...
I have never installed florae
honestly based
dawn wharf
> I have never installed florae
honestly based
🤫 based
buoyant echo
i booted it up once to see what it was like, was overwhelmed by how absurdly dense even a fuckin treeless plains was and promptly uninstalled. way too much shit going on, no thanks
pastel willow
it might be possible to not load those folders if the mods aren't found.
Need to use the is mod loaded forge recipe condition
turbid mulch
Those recipes shouldn't be present anymore. I got really frustrated with the log spam and ripped them out. We aren't registering anything when those mods are present currently so I planned to override them correctly once we were
And yeah it's just a mod loaded condition to avoid the errors
Though the recipes were also retuning air which causes well problems as it still technically exists just with no output
dawn wharf
apparently 0.1.8 never made it all the way onto curseforge so
hopefully that's fixed now
dawn wharf
leaving the server temporarily, my DMs are open, the issue tracker is open, I will keep working on bugfixes and slowly on new features. I just need a reset on my discord habits.
glass sleet
o7
turbid mulch
Hypers doing great work with the sloop what do you guys think?
autumn obsidian
likey
turbid mulch
Talking with hyper about changing how the canoes are carved. Haven't done the work to have the models make sense atm but this should give a good idea of what the end result will be like. Opinions? Hyper says she likes processing them one by one more
Ah and far as the model comment goes they won't start off with a cut. Basically they'll look like stripped logs at the beginning instead of all 3 having a cut
autumn obsidian
i do prefer the one at a time approach tbh
turbid mulch
Gah
I feel like the edges are werid
Like once you are scraping with the axe you get the edges of the bordering logs
uneven dune
i like the all-in-one approach
glass flume
I like the one at a time
turbid mulch
At least Simon is sane
Really not a fan of the all at once axe carving though huh? I like that so much better... ☹️
turbid mulch
You werid people win
It's gonna continue being processed one by one like in the current builds
I'm really just not a fan of the unequal carving you end up with doing it one by one
burnt mesa
Talking with hyper about changing how the canoes are carved. Haven't done the wo...
This~! I love it!
slate quail
facts
turbid mulch
Hyper recorded a short video of the sloop with shaders. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777982404987060235/1185722964042338345/sloop_hightlight.mp4
regal vortex
Very pretty
uneven dune
I gotta say i really don't like the cubes
autumn obsidian
tbh it vaugely reminds me of vintage story
turbid mulch
I gotta say i really don't like the cubes
I mean it's Minecraft
But also the next best way is like shader magic I'm pretty sure
Neither Hyper or I know any shader stuff
She doesn't think a flat sail would look as good anyhow though
I think with waves they'd be about equal but it's not like I know how to do it
Rather like the cubes anyway
buoyant echo
I like it a lot personally
faint tartan
Talking with hyper about changing how the canoes are carved. Haven't done the wo...
this is better, keep it
turbid mulch
We'll revisit it later on
Once Hyper comes back you guys can start a petition or something
turbid mulch
You werid people win
She prefers doing each block individually and I gave in earlier
faint tartan
make a config.
turbid mulch
That's not really worth the time
turbid mulch
i do prefer the one at a time approach tbh
Spruced it up a bit but man I just really dislike the edges you end up with while processing
plush horizon
Could always have a config option. That way people who like all in one and one by one approaches can choose. That’s if that’s feasible to implement.
turbid mulch
To do it properly imo it'd need to be per player
It's 50/50 for and against going from the reactions in here so I think it's kinda screwy to go the easy way out and leave it as a server side toggle
Half the people on the server won't like it
gloomy lichen
Spruced it up a bit but man I just really dislike the edges you end up with whil...
Wood chips are confirmed cr0nchiest kind of chips, that do be sounding tasty when that fast
lilac onyx
Which version has the rowboat? I'm on 0.0.44-alpha but all I have is the dugout and kayak
buoyant echo
The new discord mobile update is actual trash so i cant find pins so ill try searching broadly
buoyant echo
Which version has the rowboat? I'm on 0.0.44-alpha but all I have is the dugout ...
This one i think #1046477068143181924 message
lilac onyx
This one i think https://discord.com/channels/432522930610765835/104647706814318...
Fantastic, thanks
buoyant echo
Np
turbid mulch
She's been focusing on 1.20
Like with TFC I believe there's no plans to maintain/update the older version
At least not while it's in active development
Shouldn't be much of an issue to port down once it's finished
Shes still got a lot of things planned though so it'll be a bit until then
lilac onyx
makes sense
turbid mulch
The stuff she's got planned is pretty awesome
I personally don't see much of a point in using any other boat mod if it all comes together
lilac onyx
I'll definitely keep my eyes peeled. Lately been exploring TFC with the wife. I remember trying TNFC when I was younger, and not understanding hardly anything, especially prospecting and mining xd. Been enjoying myself a lot more since my brain can understand what's going on.
Also been getting that unscratchable itch to play a TFC RP server, especially one with geopolitics, kingdoms, and RP.
turbid mulch
Hyper made herself another mod just cause she wanted to have a 3D model when held and 2D model everywhere else smh
faint tartan
is hyper mute now?
turbid mulch
It's not yet released but it's sadly not Hyper lib 😒
It's pretty nifty though, lets you define hand held models though json only
faint tartan
It's pretty nifty though, lets you define hand held models though json only
isn't that a thing already ?
turbid mulch
So it's fully resource pack driven like CIT and other such things
turbid mulch
is hyper mute now?
Hyper left the server temporarily
faint tartan
really?
turbid mulch
isn't that a thing already ?
I douno. Hyper said she looked around and didn't find anything. I'm familiar enough with CIT that I know it's a bit of a pain to do it with that
It's meant to be like CTM where you just include the assets and stuff only happens when the mod is present
faint tartan
OH
because its pretty easy to set models differently if its in the inventory or not
turbid mulch
The mod just looks in a particular directory and applies the models for you. It's kinda like how item models for blocks just magically work without you needing to do anything extra
Just put a file in the right spot with the right name
She just uploaded it today so it's still going through Modrinth and Curse stuff
faint tartan
One question is does it show as 3d on the ground
turbid mulch
2D version, it's like Tridents and Spyglasses
faint tartan
2D version, it's like Tridents and Spyglasses
Sad....
faint tartan
Yea but isn't the mod supposed to be easily toggable etc..?
turbid mulch
You cannot normally have a different model
It's resource pack driven...
It functioning requires there be a resource pack with the right assets
It reads in the item/held directory and tries to apply any models it finds as a held model for that item
The normal model location is used for everything else
But frankly I think the explination is probably wasted on you
I don't think you've ever done resource pack stuff cause I've mentioned more than once it's like CTM or CIT, both are very easy to work with
faint tartan
I don't think you've ever done resource pack stuff cause I've mentioned more tha...
I've literally made a resource pack with the only goal of making IE blocks with connected textures.
That use two type of connected textures at the same time.
faint tartan
But frankly I think the explination is probably wasted on you
You said there a mod for held models, but I'm pretty sure you can do that without a mod.
with forge:seperate_perspective loader or something you can make different held models depending on what you do with the item, that's what TFC uses for its javelin, and you can choose a model, but also a normal sprite. That's built in forge so I suppose the only advantage of the mod is to only enable if the user has a specific mod???
turbid mulch
Yeah so I can't find any docs for that but it looks to do exactly what Hyper wanted
Love the undocumented forge magic bs
faint tartan
I used forge:seperate_perspective for most of my 3d models and tfc uses it too
But i think its named seperate transform now
They changed the name in 1.20
Maybe thats why you cant find it
turbid mulch
It seems like it still uses stuff in code? Hyper knows more about this topic than I do as she well did it. TFC still has a custom Renderer for Javlins as well as the json thing
It's also not a Entity Renderer like TFC seems to be using
faint tartan
It doesn't in my knowledge, I've changed the javelin model and I was able to change it to a 2D sprite then back to a 3D model.
the custom renderer is for the entity
the item doesn't need one
So you can change the handheld model, and what shows in the inventory but not what shows when you actually launch it.
turbid mulch
It's litterally got Item in it's name
Looks to be used for items
Again I didn't touch any of this stuff Hyper worked on it
It looks to both of us though that you need to do some BS in code to use it
faint tartan
stone_in_hand is the json model for inhand
and stone_gui is the simple 2d sprite
stome_throwing is the model when you are about to launch it, and that is all in json
turbid mulch
Hyper and I both are pretty confident it needs the custom renderer
turbid mulch
Hyper said she primarily looked at Firmalife which doesn't use this forge:seperate_perspective thing whatsoever
faint tartan
uh I see
turbid mulch
Russian is also conveniently the last person to touch the Javelin json models
And the custom Renderer stuff
faint tartan
Thing is you probably need code for 3d models that change depending on nbt
turbid mulch
So I'd assume he would have removed it if it was unneeded
faint tartan
I think glassworking does that
where the glassblower will have new things on it
I will try that model thing but on a random ass item to see if it works
And I'm going to tell you the result
turbid mulch
Any use of the awful predicate system (outside the default conditions) requries custom registration code
Glass working model swapping probably uses predicates
faint tartan
I'm going to change the stick model to have a 3d model in hand
and tell you if it works
turbid mulch
@faint tartan
turbid mulch
Wonder what the deal is with TFC still having the custom Render then
faint tartan
No idea but it seems to work
Here is the model file:
So I suppose i can give it a different model
on the ground
idk
turbid mulch
I found docs for it. The most recent version there's docs for is uh 1.17 https://docs.minecraftforge.net/en/1.17.x/models/advanced/perspective/
It's not documented as soon as 1.18 and then hasn't been documented since
So basically your average hidden forge feature
pastel willow
Traister you are mistaken
You need the json and the renderer if you have an entity model
It’s not either or
The code renderer is only needed if you are rendering an entity model in your hand
And the entity model is defined in a json model file that points to an item stack renderer
And the separate transforms model either chooses that json with the entity model or a flat item texture based on the perspective
If you just want to use something like a block model, the separate transforms model works and you can use it completely in json
pastel willow
Hyper said she primarily looked at Firmalife which doesn't use this `forge:seper...
But yeah I would say a separate mod is overkill for this subject as the forge api is pretty robust in this area you can even define custom item usage animations
turbid mulch
You need the json and the renderer if you have an entity model
What's the javelin need an entity model for?
And besides Jerome went and proved it works for Hypers use case
As I mentioned I didn't actually deal with any of this
turbid mulch
<https://github.com/eerussianguy/firmalife/blob/1.20.x/src/main/resources/assets...
Okay. I had not checked. She said all she saw was the entity renderers
pastel willow
some use cases work better for entity models, in this case vanilla uses an entity model for tridents because i believe its too long to be a block model and thats what i modeled javelins after
if you wanted for example an item for hypers boats youd want to use that special code renderer to render the entity model in your hand
its also used for stuff like chests, technically the name is a BlockEntityWithoutLevelRenderer or a BEWLR
turbid mulch
She wants her paddles to have a 3D model when held but 2D one elsewhere
No entity renderer
turbid mulch
Yep, I was talking to her throughout
turbid mulch
I found docs for it. The most recent version there's docs for is uh 1.17 https:/...
It's a hidden forge feature so it's not like either of us knew about it
That's the most recent version it's documented for
steady talon
Spruced it up a bit but man I just really dislike the edges you end up with whil...
What if you applied half work to the adjacent block, so full carve on work block, partial on next?
turbid mulch
@steady talon Half as in like it's half of a full carve? That'd take like 4x more states
It'd inflate stuff a ton
steady talon
<@516147128116969494> Half as in like it's half of a full carve? That'd take lik...
Half the rate, so in the time it’s taken to carve the target block, the next has been worked half way. Can you apply progress every other tick?
turbid mulch
That's not really how it works
We use blockstates
So there's specific points of progress
Course we could move all the progress ultimately into the Block entity so that it's like a percentage but that's a lot of effort for this
steady talon
All good. Thought it might be possible to update the adjacent block state less often causing it to lag behind in completion. Still getting my head around limitations.
turbid mulch
It's kinda like doors
There's not like a part way open state
You can only really do that with a block entity (and a custom renderer)
The main thing is like you aren't interacting with the Canoe Components much at all
You make a canoe and then you probably won't ever touch them again
It's essentially a one time experience
They have 12 progress states and that's with 1 being essentially just a dud state
It should only exist in practice for a single tick
Haven't talked to hyper about that just yet as it has its own unique model so I assume there's some sort of reason
1 state is for when you are burning it
So there's 10 states that represent the carving
So basically you click 10 times and it's finished
turbid mulch
Talking with hyper about changing how the canoes are carved. Haven't done the wo...
Can like propagate the carving outwards with a delay but that's a good bit harder to do correctly than all at once
Just more stuff you have to worry about which I don't want to deal with
And Hyper said she likes processing them one by one, I don't think having a delay will change her mind
I don't really care enough ultimately cause it's like 30 seconds to carve a canoe either way
I just think all at once looks cooler
pastel willow
You can use scheduled ticks
turbid mulch
You can if you aren't already using them for something else
turbid mulch
Hyper said she'd still prefer individual carving
lapis osprey
hi hi
just stopping in to drop off some roadmaps
this should be what you can expect from the next major update
there will probably be some 0.1.x releases in the next few days since i fixed some bugs in the upstream 0.2.0 branch
this is not the full roadmap, I have a separate tracker for minor features and qol changes
faint tartan
who are you
lapis osprey
boat mom, jerome
gloomy lichen
Last name boat mom, first name Jerome.
"The name's Boat Mom. Jerome Boat Mom."
heavy wedge
will attaching boats to fences with leads be a thing in the future? I think that would look very cool with multiple boats in a dock like build
autumn obsidian
i thought that was already a thing actually
heavy wedge
I tried it but it didn't work
you can put a lead on a boat but not on a fence like you could do with animals
lapis osprey
will attaching boats to fences with leads be a thing in the future? I think that...
yeah
it's required actually cause boats drift in the wind now
at least in dev
autumn obsidian
how will boats react to rainy/stormy weather?
lapis osprey
dunno, havent gottent there yet 😛
not having waves makes things a little... less interesting
autumn obsidian
then just add waves, ez
autumn obsidian
fair
lapis osprey
will attaching boats to fences with leads be a thing in the future? I think that...
also it says this in the roadmap i sent lol
autumn obsidian
will there be a below deck for bigger ships
lapis osprey
will there be a below deck for bigger ships
there's a hold in the sloop but it's not walkable, let me see if i have a video of it
this video is about a month old but it still works the same
I dont think a walkable deck below is reasonably possible atm
but we'll see
plenty of people have told me I couldnt do what ive done so far 😛
lapis osprey
new update today with a lot of invisible changes prepping for 0.2.0 plus some bugfixes
autumn obsidian
oh boy
autumn obsidian
what's "nifty ships"
lapis osprey
the vanilla port
autumn obsidian
you are a saint
lapis osprey
how lol
autumn obsidian
ive really been wanting a vanilla version i can fool around with
lapis osprey
after 0.2.0 the next project is porting to vanilla
and then to keep the codebase unified firmaciv will start relying on the vanilla port eventually
I have some extremely cool stuff planned after that 😛
secret though
autumn obsidian
hopefully it focuses more on the "civ" part of firmaciv
lapis osprey
hopefully it focuses more on the "civ" part of firmaciv
like what 😛
lapis osprey
the firmaciv features i have planned arent actually that secret tbh
after boats are "done"
the next thing I think I'll be doing in firmaciv is villages of some sort
yes there will be a config for it
autumn obsidian
gr noi village in my tfc!!!1
but honestly one aspect i would like to see expanded upon is the multiplayer part of firmaciv
lapis osprey
yeah
boats are part of that
you wont be able to sail the sloop with one person
and its going to be by far the best way to transport things
autumn obsidian
oh yeah im aware of the boat stuff already
but just, more multiplayer stuff that isnt just
baot
lapis osprey
yeah ik
i have some really old design docs for the non-boat stuff
boats just kind of took over my life because
they're cool, and it's also hard lol
autumn obsidian
at least you're enjoying it lol
lapis osprey
but I think I'm going to implement some multiplayer features into navigation
for example I'm going to try and make it so every timepiece has a unique prime meridian
so you have to coordinate with other players to get consistent coordinates out of them
like you have to change the prime meridian to match basically
the other thing is there's explicit multiplayer stuff and then theres implicit right
so there's some stuff I have planned which you could literally do on your own but it will scale so much better with multiple players
dawn wharf
deprecated
pastel willow
O_O
dawn wharf
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