💻tech-talks

[olive garnet]

probably more

[balmy bronze]

120hz is all I need

[olive garnet]

120 is good yeah

[balmy bronze]

or even 90hz really

[olive garnet]

i'm happy with 144

90 is my minimum yes

[balmy bronze]

I'm so used to 60hz, anything more is amazing

[olive garnet]

or like 85 but below that i don't like it

[nova gazelle]

tempted to go projector instead of a monitor as there's some pretty nice ones out currently

[balmy bronze]

contrast isn't great with projectors

[olive garnet]

that's why CP2077 is frustrating outside in front of Vs appartment

[nova gazelle]

there was one by BenQ that was rated well, but I'm more thinking about 1-2 years out

[olive garnet]

the latency hits hard for DX12 and doesn't matter how good your GPU is or even your CPU or memory for teh most part you are down to 75 hz

[nova gazelle]

tech isn't quite at what I'm looking for just yet

but I feel it's close

[balmy bronze]

eh...pretty sure you hit much more than that at lower settings

[olive garnet]

you know one thing about cyberpunk that is good. is that it got people more into tech

[balmy bronze]

I've never noticed a major hit ther

[olive garnet]

you can't cuz it's CPU driven

[fickle scroll]

85 used to be my minimum but then i saw cp2077 with ultra RT and now i'm fine even at like 50 fps

[olive garnet]

75-85 yeah

[balmy bronze]

what CPU are you running?

[olive garnet]

9900K 5 ghz

hard to find videos on youtube to compare it to becuase all the bench vids on YT dont' show gameply in areas like that

[balmy bronze]

5950x, soon for 5800x3d

[olive garnet]

they cherry pick lower CPU intensive areas

I looked at YT

same FPS in that spot.

maybe like 5-7 more

[balmy bronze]

I'll benchmark it in the morning

[olive garnet]

it's just the game and DX12. DX11 would allow faster CPUs to get more FPS DX12 is good if you have a slower chip and you are trying to get it all onto your GPU

[balmy bronze]

that's not how it works

[olive garnet]

or if the game doesn't use a lot of CPU and you have a newer CPU DX12 great

[balmy bronze]

DX11 uses a single render pipeline, DX12 has multiple

[olive garnet]

Same result with World Of warcraft

BFV

[balmy bronze]

DX12 uses more CPU but has lower laytency

[balmy bronze]

that's a super old, hacked engine

[olive garnet]

no way not from my testiung i have way higher usage on 11

[balmy bronze]

yes because 11 is highly inefficient, and CPU bound

that's the whole point of DX12 and Vulkan

[olive garnet]

Vulkan is DX12 done properly

[balmy bronze]

no, they're almost exactly the same

[olive garnet]

except one works much better htan the other

[balmy bronze]

Have you written programs with them?

Do you understand the architecture at the API level?

they're very much the same, they both split out render pipelines into separate command queues, so that multi core CPUs can better leverage the wider compute of modern systems

the reason why Vulkan is so much faster sometimes is that those engines are ported from DX11, so they take the single render pipeline in DX11 and turn it into a single render pipeline in DX12. Native DX12 games (like CP77) perform almost exactly the same as Vulkan games

[olive garnet]

there you go 1080p usage dip. Bottleneck. Engine based. Dx11 would fix that, just like it fixes BFV, WoW or other cpu driven or open world latency driven titles. .

not even in front of Vs appartment either.

that'as a 5800x

DX12 is amazing if it's used with the right game.

@fickle scroll i'm salty cuz my FTW3 is stable at 10.9 ghz Memory but unstable at 11

the 9900K vs the 5800X is only 3 FPS apart in almost every game at high fps you can OC the 9900Ks memory to get it to pull ahead by about 5-10 so it's just engine BS cpu isn't really the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZNdTSvRMY

[olive garnet]

This game only uses 4.5 GB VRAM in 4k lol

[fathom trail]

That's using ultra RT

raster perf might not be capped out but DXR perf probably is

[balmy bronze]

and the 5800x3d is like 15% faster than the 5800X due to the cache

[devout stump]

9900k still stronk 🥲

[fickle scroll]

what game?

[modern narwhal]

Very likely is "A plague tale"

[fickle scroll]

dead space 1 at 8k gets 200 fps and only uses 2-3GB vram

battlefield 4 (2013) gets over 60 fps average ultra settings at 8k

and uses under 6GB at 8k

just kinda funny

[balmy bronze]

NVidia announced they're switching their high end servers back to Intel. Not surprising, but does show that even NVidia doesn't think Intel is behind anymore

[fickle scroll]

Halo 2 anniversary gets ~50‐70 fps at 8k with a regular 3090

at least on first mission

and it uses almost 13GB of vram on the 3090

[fathom trail]

Then again AMD is certainly making gains in some areas

cough just look at the top of the TOP 500 recently

Of course Frontier (And LUMI) are of particular note but what really shines is the efficiency of new AMD-based machines

Half of the top 10 of the TOP 500 are using AMD CPUs and only one is using Intel

(10 AMD and 5 Intel for top 20)

of course for consumer CPUs Intel isn't behind in anything but efficiency on the higher end

[olive garnet]

[fickle scroll]

dodged a bullet

it's iffy for me. i am not sure i wouldn't go back to win10 if given the choice

[olive garnet]

I really want to try it

[modern narwhal]

TPM?

[olive garnet]

(in caps) howwwwwww tfffff?????????

bro seriously HOW TF????? HOW HOW am I just way too dumb or something or is my mobo just horrendous I seriously don't get it

[olive garnet]

it only wants me to enable secure boot which I've done 10 times and restarted my pc that many times

[shadow cedar]

they use a modified iso

they're not installing the official one, so to speak

[olive garnet]

okay

I've seriously tried sooo many things and still won't let me change to it

[modern narwhal]

Backup your data and then check this
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-enable-secure-boot-pc-install-windows-11

[olive garnet]

okay, I'll try it thank you

[olive garnet]

nah I'm upgrading my pc to a 5600x and a 3060 ti, irdc I'm doing it it'll be worth it anyways and who knows if there will be stock for current gen GPU's when 4000 series come and even if they will be in stock, who knows

[balmy bronze]

agreed, this isn't about AMD sucking. NVidia would never have used AMD in the first place if Intel wasn't in a bad place. This is more about Intel catching up enough that it makes sense to switch back. Also perhaps they've shifted enough compute into the BDUs so that they don't need as much CPU power

Even when they used AMD chips they'd do funny things like have benchmarks showing "performance on non-Intel CPUs" or something like that. They'd try their best to never use AMD's name once in any literature

[balmy bronze]

also, you can get add-on TPUs for some time

laptops often have TPUs for platforms that wouldn't normally have them

[fathom trail]

Personally I think that has a lot to do with AMD being a direct GPU competitor

[fickle scroll]

yeah

i feel the same way. AMD had cheaper GPUs that did 50-80% better in raster performance per dollar

surely, EVENTUALLY the consumers will find out

[balmy bronze]

yep, it's absolutely about them being a competitor. That and Intel and NVidia have worked together for years

And NVidia now makes their own CPUs, so I imagine it's easier for them to say "if you have to have x86-64, there's always intel"

[fathom trail]

yeah, Intel being a nonentity in the dGPU space matters a lot as well

[balmy bronze]

instead of being so heavily linked to performance

[jade veldt]

Test folding till phone gonna broke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bNSYgpdb5Y

[fickle scroll]

i can't overstate how little interest i have in those, outside of emulating 2-screen devices

[balmy bronze]

The whole folding thing feels like a solution in search of a problem

[olive garnet]

@modern narwhal @fickle scroll correct was plague tale

[olive garnet]

that was with DXR and it still wasn't capped that was my point I'ts slightly better but still lackign pure raster.

[olive garnet]

AMD is great

[olive garnet]

correct

huge 96 MB cache

my Memory OCed 9900K is about an 5800X3D because of the latency being about 35ns.

[crude elm]

I have the fold 3

It's nice for watching videos and stuff

[fickle scroll]

6900XTs are going for under $900 some places, sheesh

[peak steppe]

is it alright to ask for advice here?

[fickle scroll]

the girlier the girlyman, the alrighter it is to ask

[peak steppe]

I don't know PC parts that well and I'm buyin a big desktop for the first time in a decade

[fickle scroll]

ok

[peak steppe]

cracked out this in PC specialist

[fickle scroll]

looks pretty based to me.

what resolution and hertz on those monitors?

personally i will never buy non-audiophile speakers again. if you need them, you need them, but i'd spend that money on audiophile headphones instead in most cases

[peak steppe]

24", 1080p, 75Hz

[fickle scroll]

3080 is overkill for that

[peak steppe]

I'll probably be fine with the standard audio tbf, I have a bad habit of just blaring music instead of listening to in-game stuff

[fickle scroll]

ok

but yeah you don't need a 3080 for 1080p 75hz gaming

what kind of games do you play?

[peak steppe]

cyberpunk, iron harvest, ace combat, want to play death stranding too but I've been holding off

though I do have a lot of older games I default too

should mention I have a 4k TV hand-me-down I'm going to hook up to the system too

[fickle scroll]

still, 1080p 75hz gaming. like there's no point in a beefy gpu for that

how much is the 3080 there

idk what your setup is like where a 4k 60hz television could be hooked up look good for gaming

[peak steppe]

800~ish from what I can tell

[fickle scroll]

800 pounds seems decent

i can't really tell what you plan on doing. i can't imagine the tv looking good

but even at 4k 60hz the 3080 is only getting pushed by a couple of games out there

i wouldn't buy an enthusiast gpu without an enthusiast monitor

my 1440p 144hz ips monitor leaves rtx 3090 performance on the table and that definitely looks nicer than all but the nicest, densest 4k tvs

[peak steppe]

Ok, fair enough, I'll maybe downgrade it a bit, it'll take some of the edge off the price

[fickle scroll]

also rtx cards are mostly useful for ray tracing capability and dlss usage

you're paying a premium for those two things. if you don't use them a lot, save hundreds of dollars with an RX card from AMD

[nova gazelle]

these days you can drop the sound card in 90% of cases as the motherboard's built in audio is actually pretty solid

and btw, check out the WD BLACK 2TB SN850 for your NVME, it's near the top of the line and not too much more in price than the 970 EVO

[olive garnet]

3080 is perfect with 4k 120 or 4k 144

1440p 165 would be the sweet spot

@fickle scroll just for clarity i was looking at this one too, I get the exact same frames on my 9900k, Zero difference and that's RTX off. usage is still wildly low

[fickle scroll]

not sure what this refers to

[olive garnet]

you mentioned something about RTX being on in one of the screencaps from a YT vid i posted

so i posted one with RT off for Full raster

[fickle scroll]

i don't think that was me

[olive garnet]

you right my bad

@fathom trail was the one who commented

[fickle scroll]

👍

[grizzled tide]

Replace your 3080 with a 3070. New GPUs are coming in a few months, and the new tech is going to make you switch faster anyway.

I've a strong feeling that it'll force 6900 and 3080 to be 1440p60 cards.

[olive garnet]

new tech is always coming in a few months

[grizzled tide]

It always is, true. Here we have someone who is building a completely new rig and it's a great idea to not spend the top dollar for a GPU

Get something that will just do good and not empty your bank account. The money saved now goes to the upgrade

[modern narwhal]

Depending on how much data are you gonna store you may want to switch that HDD to a SSD. 6TB is what I store in my local NAS and it has 50% free space. You could have a 250GB SSD for your operative system and applications and a 2TB for storage (games & data).

[olive garnet]

turning down settings in 4k doesn't make the game look worse though. 4k on med/high combo is still nicer than 1440p ultra most of the time. More pixels = more definition. If you are talking about raytracing yeah it'l get demanding, but raytracing is hardly optimized. Raster looks great

4k med/high settings DLSS balanced.

[balmy bronze]

raytracing is extremely optimized

it's just very demanding

but I'd rather that then the smeared reflections, and blocky shadows you get from rasterized games

[echo goblet]

uhh I'm back, but I had to make a new discord account, I hope that's not a problem cause it's an alt or whatever, but I'm on Windows 11 Pro and actually I like it and I did updates, drivers and e.t.c e.t.c and I had to make a new one cause of 2FA

[modern narwhal]

Nice you got it working. Remember checking all the privacy settings to avoid MS getting your data

[echo goblet]

aight, thank you

hehe 11 pro go brrrr

tbh it's kind of understandable why Microsoft wants such high requirements for a motherboard, CPU and so on for this one

[fathom trail]

Yeah, the only thing that really "optimizes" it further is reducing the amount of rays used

for example UE5's Lumen tech which some have claimed to be way more optimized than current RT is, surprising absolutely nobody, just using fewer RT effects

[balmy bronze]

It’s about time https://www.pcworld.com/article/784091/microsoft-wants-you-to-ditch-hdd-boot-drives.html

[balmy bronze]

Yeah lumen pulls that off by just pre calculating more resulting in some weird cases when lights move , or they won’t let the lights move

[fathom trail]

it also uses considerably fewer rays and at least in that tech demo it wasn't doing nearly everything you'd expect from current RT

[fathom trail]

Oh and since I didn't elaborate on that further while it does result in better performance there are losses in how good it looks and just how realistically light behaves meaning that it's not just cutting out unnecessary parts

[olive garnet]

it's really not. You'll see that your GPU usage is hardly 99% with RT on in most games. Loads of stutter too. It's in it's early stages.

usually usage down at 91-92 while in raster you get more frames and more usage. RT is not optimized ubd

[balmy bronze]

Tested it this morning, my GPU was locked at 99% usage

[olive garnet]

depends on your FPS

at 60 sure

higher FPS you drop usage with RT

[balmy bronze]

Turning off RT made it cpu bound and usage dropped to 60fps

[olive garnet]

if you are only getting 60 FPS in CP2077 with RT off. There's something else going on like a bottlneck

[balmy bronze]

Yes that’s the way computers work, lol

Cpu bound means Lower GPU usage

[olive garnet]

Depends on your CPU

depends on your latency

60 FPS isn't really a good testing point for GPU usage. Or CPU usage

[balmy bronze]

99 usage with 1600p RTX psycho 45fps outside of Vs megabuilding

[olive garnet]

45 fps even lower

try to get 100 FPS with 99 usage.

[balmy bronze]

DLSS quality

[olive garnet]

or 98

i can do it in raster with my CPU

[balmy bronze]

You’re just saying crazy things now. You said RT was cpu bound

[olive garnet]

i never said that

You'll need to quote that

Never said RT was CPU bound. THe higher the FPS the more the CPU is used. RT regardless

"that's how games work" More FPS means more CPU

[balmy bronze]

This right here

[olive garnet]

Stiill never said it's cpu bound

[balmy bronze]

If it’s not 99 percent you’re cpu bound

[olive garnet]

unless it's unoptimized

[balmy bronze]

I’m done, nothing you’ve said in our conversations makes any sense

[olive garnet]

you could have lower usage becuase of poor optimization. Not just becuase it's CPU bound. You can have a game be CPU bound and STILL have 99 % usage because you have a fast CPU

[balmy bronze]

Cp77 is highly optimized

[olive garnet]

No it's not. Have fun Being a conflict man bud

you haven't linked any proof either. I've sourced my info you've sourced nothing

Ray tracing on 1080p Over 100 FPS USage drop

Please don't test things at 60 FPS. Thank you

RT on 1080p

RT off 4k.

[fickle scroll]

when i use ray tracing on fortnite, my gpu usage remains above 95%

[olive garnet]

Fortnite raytracing isn't real RT tho. That's like WoW RT

[fickle scroll]

1000% wrong

[olive garnet]

not much difference going on there. Just a meme addon. What's your FPS in Fortninte?

Most RT is just smoke and mirrors

[fickle scroll]

fortnite has more ray tracing options than cyberpunk

[olive garnet]

options don't mean that it's actually doing anything.

[fickle scroll]

you have no idea what you're talking about. it's ok you can test it for free. it's like 25GB

[olive garnet]

It's awefully funny when people accuse you of being wrong without linking a single bit of data

just claiming "this is what i get on my dad's pc"

[fickle scroll]

fortnite's ray tracing is deep enough to be a staple alongside cyberpunk in tom's hardware's ray tracing suite of benchmarks

[olive garnet]

how much FPS in fortnite?

Tom's hardware LMAO. okay bud

[fickle scroll]

source?

you made the claim first. source it

[olive garnet]

it's been widespread knowledge that RT is Smoke and mirrors for a while

No you bud, You accused me of being full of garbage. I've linked doezens of snapshots from my own games, and youtube

it's time for someone else to link something

pretty rude for a "professional"

nic ememe

[fickle scroll]

What in the world would I be linking? My only argument was that I have high gpu usage both with rt on and off

[olive garnet]

please use games with advanced RT for your argument. "metro exodus" Shadow of the tomb raider. CP2077, etc

[fickle scroll]

yep you can clearly see the difference in shadows there but something tells me it is also a very old screen

[olive garnet]

Oh yeah okay. Nice goal post alteration

[fickle scroll]

fortnite too

[olive garnet]

Please tell me what FPS you get your 95 and up usage at?

[fickle scroll]

75 ish

[olive garnet]

still low.

[fickle scroll]

yep i have an older cpu

[olive garnet]

120 plus is where benchmarkers test CPUs and games at

[fickle scroll]

3700x

[olive garnet]

you are always going to have high GPU usage at lower framepoints because you are pushing your settings. So again. Please test at higher FPS

you have an older CPU so you increase settings to make up for a bottlneck

[fickle scroll]

i've been building PCs and benchmarking them for 18 years and i've never heard of this before

source?

[olive garnet]

Every single youtube video HW unboxed Gamers nexus they are all tested at 100 Plus frames to test the latency of the system and bencvh the CPU. I really doubt that last claim is true. Sounds more like you've been alive for 18 years

the way you've come at me and sourced zero information

you don't see gamers nexus test his titles at 60 fps

75 fps

All at 130-150 to actually see which CPUs out do what

[fickle scroll]

Hmm my only claim was that I get high gpu usage in a game with deep RT integration.

That may be because I've cranked my settings, sure. idrc

i have nothing to debate

[olive garnet]

yeah. It is becuase you cranked your settings

[fickle scroll]

sorry if it appeared that i was debating something

[olive garnet]

Just would be nice to see someone back up with some YT vids or their own screencaps

[fickle scroll]

there's nothing to debate with me

[fickle scroll]

your screens are a waste of time, i have seen over 1000 such benchmark graphs. i understand how this works thanks

[olive garnet]

In your mind perhaps.

[fickle scroll]

no matter what you say, i can't replace a father figure or whatever it is you're reaching out for

sorry bud

g2g

[olive garnet]

Statements like that prove you are 18 and a liar

have fun

no proof, no sourcing, insulting, and wrong. Trademarks of a child. Don't project your daddy issues on to me please and thank you

[fathom trail]

This isn't at all how it works

of course most games that are CPU bound tend to run at high framerates but that doesn't actually imply that a high framerate is something that matters for testing in on itself

[balmy bronze]

Yeah, I blocked them, there’s some fairly basic misunderstanding of how computer graphics work.

[nova gazelle]

seems Locktail left the server

[echo goblet]

well you know, everyone has their own mindset and knowledge, so then, if they're stubborn to accept the opposite person on the side's own knowledge and/or experience, then we call him a donkey on a bridge

is this any good, what do y'all think? preset it's between low medium high some ultra without psycho native 1080p (I'll activate my windows, dw I just uh, uh, uh need to find a way!)

this one is surprisingly pretty damn good, on psycho settings without RT and FidelityFX Super Resolution 1.0 on Ultra Quality with FFX Sharpening ON, pretty happy with this result and FPS (both on stock 1660 Ti)

my CPU reached 95% in front of the apartment thru the crowd and the crowd density on High

[fickle scroll]

cyerpunk is decently optimized. idk what perf 1660ti should be getting but it's great that you can use FSR and such

if it looks and feels good, that's what matters

what does DRS stand for? dynamic resolution scaling?

i wonder why the cyberpunk benchmark results screen has so little information

doesn't show if ray tracing is enabled at all, doesn't show if FSR is enabled

just kinda weird things to leave out

it's likely that more cyberpunk players use FSR than DLSS, right?

[balmy bronze]

that is really good for a 1660ti

[echo goblet]

Sheeeeesh, okay thank you

[olive garnet]

https://youtu.be/ZIJnuYayROw

[orchid jasper]

It's just a very minimal benchmark. It still has this bug where you can choose the lowest possible settings and then select the RayTracing_Ultra preset without having to apply anything, and the benchmark result will show RT_Ultra @200+ FPS.

[little ice]

Ultra RT/all rt options on, psycho reflections. The rest of the options maxed out as far as they will go.

I can overclock and pump those numbers up just don’t see a need.

Believe they saw my settings on the EVGA discord… with multiple screen shots even in game… had to explain to them and point out up the eye candy=more vram usage, frames will go down and lowering eye candy will affect it visually.

[crude elm]

Not sure what you are trying to say here, but this is more of a hardware channel. Game issues are better posted in #💻tech-talks

Hmm nvm, had to scroll back a little to see the topic

[fringe furnace]

You guys know how i can check if my laptop has an extra ram slot?

Without opening it of course

[wide kayak]

can you recommend a player to stream on discord? for some reason, when I stream vlc, the frame rate is lower than usual

[balmy bronze]

IIRC CPUz may show that

or look up the model/make online you might find a spec sheet somewhere

[modern narwhal]

Either the UEFI/BIOS has a built-in hardware monitor or get the laptop specs from the vendor.
Edit: Software like HWInfo64 can provide you what exact model your motherboard is

With tools like HWMonitor you know what is plugged in, but not if you have empty slots

[modern narwhal]

Example: We know my mobo model and that I have two memory sticks, if you go to Gigabyte website you will see that model has 4 slots, so I have two empty slots. This screenshot is from HWInfo

[modern narwhal]

Not discord related, but NVidia cards do have Geforce Experience broadcasting to Facebook, Twitch or Youtube

[echo goblet]

I'm shocked

[olive garnet]

is that origins?

[echo goblet]

mhm

I've finished main story and the 2 DLCs

[modern narwhal]

aren't 3 dlc? one for each regular ending?

[olive garnet]

good to know i probably wont have problems running it maxed out then lol, i remember played some pirated version way back on my old pc and it barely ran

[echo goblet]

I don't know, actually

I dusted off my PC, btw

[modern narwhal]

A quick google:

• Johnny glasses
• Aldecado jacket
• Liberty pride

[echo goblet]

ohhhh, my bad I was talking about the 2 DLCs for AC Origins

so sorry

[modern narwhal]

rolf, taht was a funny missunderstanding on my part

[echo goblet]

it's okay, no worries

I'm shocked that Origins runs that well on my PC with that CPU on THAT game, you know

(The GPU gives fps, of course, but I mean that it's not stuttering, freezing, lagging and so on on max)

[echo goblet]

yeah, when I had an fx-6300 and an amd radeon r9 I think 200 or 290 it was 2gb it was running, uh well you know how really bad and now with the current r5 2600 non-x 1660 ti it's really good and smooth tbh

Valhalla on max it's good, Ubisoft promised that they'll reduce the CPU usage or whatever it was, which they did and kept their word at least on my side on max it's running 30-something fps which still is playable

[olive garnet]

yeah i remember playing it on my i5 2500 & r9 280 and not having a great time at all

[olive garnet]

oOOOO im playing valhalla rn too doing 80+ most of the time on high

[echo goblet]

ayyy :DDD

[olive garnet]

odyssey still doesnt run well for me lol

wanted to play it but stutters quite a bit every now and again, not maxing out vram tho

[echo goblet]

for sooo, so, so many attempts to get into odyssey and I still can't, legit

[olive garnet]

ive played like 8hrs of it, then suddenly quit

[nova gazelle]

if you never have already, take a look at this page, looking towards the "Mods" section too
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Assassin's_Creed_Odyssey

that said, Odyssey had some great DLC
going through Valhalla too right now, but still at the beginning, lol

btw... you can unlock the mtx equipment without throwing money at them, just check the Nexus on that

[olive garnet]

hmm, looks interesting I will try out that scheduling tweak for sure

[fickle scroll]

but not on discord?

[crude elm]

Use the discord windows client to stream to discord.

Other streaming solutions do not have a stream to discord function

[fringe furnace]

@modern narwhal @balmy bronze. Thanks yall!!!

[echo goblet]

yayyyy, I just activated windows 11

[fickle scroll]

rip

sorry to hear it

[balmy bronze]

nice, have fun, been using it for almost a year now. Pretty much 0 complaints

[fickle scroll]

it's harder to use advanced audio options in my experience

and some advanced networking is still impossible with w11

but for everyday use, gaming, web, seems okay. haven't tested production though

outside of it being harder to use advanced audio stuff

[nova gazelle]

lmao, can't believe how long it took Discord to finally add this

90% of the time they'd rather just rely on third party bots

[fickle scroll]

wow nice

[nova gazelle]

did some tests in my own server and it isn't quite on par with bots, doesn't allow regex

asterisks only work on the beginning and end, not the middle

can set it up for things like *.gift* which would kill a bunch of spam at least

[balmy bronze]

Really fascinating results : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H19_JKw4QN4

and a nice spread of benchmarks 1x8GB, 2x4GB, 2x8GB, DDR4, DDR5, 1080p, 4K, etc.

[fickle scroll]

i feel like 8GB is only enough for playing older titles on immaculately maintained machines and while having absolutely no other programs up

for a great many people, being able to use discord and a couple other things is important while gaming

so i would recommend 16 as a minimum.

ram is so cheap and faster ram helps so little that i just have to disagree with the Crucial advertisement Linus made there

[nova gazelle]

yep, 16 should be the standard for the moment

[balmy bronze]

Interestingly though, I don't think being RAM limited would affect FPS for users. Even back in the day it didn't. I got 16GB of RAM way before other people, not because it improved FPS, but just so I don't have to shutdown apps to play games.

[fickle scroll]

it's just an odd position because 32GB is still enthusiast tier

[balmy bronze]

Same today, 64GB is probably too much, but it was cheap at the time, and means I have a nice fat disk cache as well

Still it's not uncommon for me to have 24-32GB of RAM in use while gaming

[nova gazelle]

yeah, and I was surprised at how cheap 32 was when I was putting a new PC together

[fickle scroll]

I'm not sure I've ever seen 20GB usage so far in normal use

[balmy bronze]

It was super cheap, then expensive, how cheaper, but I miss the days of it almost being $2/GB (right before <human malware> hit)

[nova gazelle]

I've had it push past 16, but rarely actually getting to 20

[fickle scroll]

yep

it's just really nice to be able to have 10 programs open at once and as many tabs open as i like

way nicer than 3% more fps with faster ram

at best

[nova gazelle]

at this moment, I'm already using 12GB, so 8 would already be too low

[fickle scroll]

yeah but part of that is windows 11 just sucking imo

[nova gazelle]

I'm still on Win10, lol

[fickle scroll]

ok and win10

[nova gazelle]

though I also have a game open on another screen

[fickle scroll]

even with all programs closed, my windows idles at like 6.5GB

all launchers closed, background programs, etc

[nova gazelle]

solid 800MB just for Discord, lol

[fickle scroll]

mhm

[fathom trail]

Barely so at this point

32GB is becoming more and more popular (compared to other amounts of RAM), just because 16GB is the most popular choice doesn't mean that anything above is enthusiast

[balmy bronze]

more often than not the most common is the bare minimum

[fathom trail]

Precisely

[fickle scroll]

yeah i wanted to say it might not be enthusiast for just that reason. its popularity

steam survey doesn't even list 32GB lmao

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

@fathom trail 32GB is a lot less popular than i thought

it, along with 16, 48, 64, 128, etc are all grouped in 0.87%, less common than 512MB. about as common as 5GB lol

actually that seems... weird

for 16GB + 32GB + everything above it being under 1%? really?

seems hard to believe

🙂 was reading vram

that's what i get for reading steam survey while working

rip

yeah 16GB is 51%, 32 is almost 13%

[hidden needle]

Hey, a person i know has their hardrive working it's ass off at 100% all the time. does anyone have an idea what could be screwing with it?

[fickle scroll]

i mean just use any program to check

even task manager

that's one of the easiest things to diagnose

[hidden needle]

we have checked but couldn't find anything that's the culprit

[fickle scroll]

cpu is at 100%?

[nova gazelle]

msconfig and start with safe mode, see if things behave the same

then disable safe mode but with less non-MS services

[hidden needle]

no, the cpu is fine but the hardrive is always being used

[fickle scroll]

it shouldn't even need to go that far

ok so just hdd is at 100%?

not gpu or cpu

[hidden needle]

yes

[fickle scroll]

could do the safe mode thing above

[hidden needle]

k i'll try that out see if anything changes

ill ping you when i do

[fathom trail]

And if you check how much those amounts change you can see that 32GB is growing faster than 16GB

[fickle scroll]

but it's still enthusiast tier imo

[modern narwhal]

Liking win11?

[echo goblet]

yeah, I Liked it a lot but I moved back to 10

[fathom trail]

windows's file deletion is so slow, it's honestly a bit infuriating now that I'm used to doing most things on linux

a mere 80k files took me over a minute to delete

[balmy bronze]

It’s mostly the UI, doing from the windows terminal is faster

[radiant olive]

ghad dayum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he6xyl_MHXY&ab_channel=DIYPerks

[fathom trail]

honestly I'd kind of expect that, it's just that it feels painful

particularly as I almost exclusively use linux through a CLI (GUI (and CLI) for work but that's mostly just using certain applications, not linux itself so I don't have much experience with the GUI) and I pretty much exclusively use windows through the GUI

[modern narwhal]

rm -f out of it 😄

almost 10 years since I had to do linux CLI stuff at work

[fathom trail]

the extent of our linux CLI usage is like 5 commands

one of which is sudo su and two of which are systemctl start/stop

oh and another is switching to an user with sudo perms

[echo goblet]

oh man, I want an NZXT case so bad, they look so cool

[olive garnet]

looks cool is hot

i had that with my H510 Elite, beautiful case but it was overpriced and the cooling of components was bad

and they don't have support for any rad over 120mm on the top for some odd reason

[final loom]

I currently have a NZXT S340 Razer Edition (Free RGBLights)

It is ok-ish but I will buy a Fractal Torrent for my next pc

It is only green Del

[echo goblet]

my current case is DeepCool E-Shield

btw, is it that important to update BIOS or not?

[fathom trail]

Generally I'd get the first couple of BIOS updates if you're early into a gen or just update it once if not

generally it shouldn't make much of a difference but early on there can be issues that impact performance/etc. in a major way (the reason to update if you're not early into the gen is to make sure they didn't ship you a motherboard that hasn't been updated since launch)

[native dragon]

Guys, I'm stupid new... looking for help with the modding process. I've never done it before and YouTube videos seem to be catered to those with at least some modding experience. Anyone point me in the right direction or lend me a hand? I would be forever in your debt (proverbially speaking)

[nova gazelle]

Creating Cyberpunk mods or just using mods?

There's a lot of info on the wiki:
https://wiki.redmodding.org
(also has a link to the main modding discord server)

As for using mods, NexusMods is the main hub, you may come across mods that rely on these (each fills a different role so can be used together):

CyberEngineTweaks (gets used the most)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/107

RedScript
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/1511

Red4Ext
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/2380

TweakXL
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/4197

Native Settings UI (not as commonly relied on)
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/3518

also be sure to read their decriptions

I wouldn't really recommend using a mod manager with Cyberpunk just with how Cyberpunk loads mods, instead just dragging and dropping them (.archive files) into the mod folder.
(\Cyberpunk 2077\archive\pc\mod)

Mods are loaded in order of filename, so whatever is loaded first will take the highest priority.

[balmy bronze]

I only do it when there's a feature I'm missing, like support for a processor or some new firmware addition. Upgrading the BIOS is marginally risky (if you lose power while upgrading you could brick the system) so it's not something I normally do just 'cause.

That being said, I've never actually ruined a system via a bios update

[modern narwhal]

some warnings just in case:
Make sure you do not shutdown/lose power doing bios update
Some motherboards do have dual bios, so in those mobos updating one of the bios is pretty safe
Always check the manuals/instructions

[sturdy eagle]

is a r7 3700x enough to run this game on max settings?

[turbid venture]

more than enough. depends on your gpu

[fathom trail]

You certainly shouldn't be CPU limited, the game isn't that intensive on CPUs

I run it just fine on a 3700X

But to run it at max settings, even at 1080p, you'd want at least a 3080

Max settings 60fps above 1080p isn't really possible, either

of course if you make liberal use of DLSS and don't use max RT then it is

[echo goblet]

ah okay, got it thank you

[fickle scroll]

depends on what you mean by max settings. if i max out literally everything at 1440p with my 3090, it does drop to below 50 fps in some areas.

i'm trying to remember if it ever drops below 40. possibly when stuff gets really hairy in the heaviest areas?

with just a little bit of optimization in the settings, it works just fine though

[sturdy eagle]

Got a 3080ti but games not running well on 1440p lmao

[radiant olive]

DLSS setting?

[fickle scroll]

ram? cpu? graphics settings? fps? stuttering?

[balmy bronze]

what settings, and did you recently upgrade?

[nova gazelle]

https://gizmodo.com/amazon-alexa-deepfake-grandma-re-mars-demo-machine-lear-1849095743
definitely not something that's going to be abused

[sturdy eagle]

Ok. Late answer, sorry. I run at 1440p high with a 3700x and a 3080ti. Running 32gb of 3200mhz ram. Fps is quite low. And it stutters ever so often

[balmy bronze]

Did you happen to update the GPU recently?

And how low is low fps?

[fickle scroll]

https://www.techradar.com/news/whatever-you-do-dont-buy-a-used-graphics-card-under-any-circumstances-right-now

[native dragon]

Damn I missed a bunch since asking my original question 😂

Anyways, just using them is all I'm tryin to do

[echo goblet]

700 USD for a series x for horizon 5, worth it or not

oh it's $200 more from MSRP

[fringe wasp]

just play on pc

[balmy bronze]

yeah, I'd wait

[fickle scroll]

i don't think any money is worth horizon 5

[vivid spruce]

Hey

Is the msi 1660 super ventus xs oc worth it for 1080p gaming ?

I currently have a 1060 3gb vram and I’m struggling with new games

[fathom trail]

a 1660 would be an upgrade but not really a huge one

[green panther]

I would wait and pick up an used GPU later this year.

[modern narwhal]

Carefull with the source, a miner card would be short-lived

[green panther]

Exactly, but there are some cards which are safe to buy imo.

[fathom trail]

Honestly while mining cards are more risky it's not like their lifespan is just completely gone

[olive garnet]

some of them reportedly got abused to the point memory chips failed and you get less VRAM lol

[haughty grove]

What’s the market like for a non-mined 3060 (non-ti)? I’m looking to get into a 3070(preferably ti). Playing this game at 1080p on a 4K display is not very fun for me. I’d like to play @1440p60 with RT on.

[fringe wasp]

why dont you use dlss

[haughty grove]

I do use dlss. I could turn some features down. But I just looks sooooo good.

[warm tundra]

quick question, does the USB-c adapter to AUX in phones lessen the audio quality?

[fringe wasp]

use optimized settings

[haughty grove]

Depends. On the LG Vx series, I think it does. Because the quad-dac is connected to the headphone jack. On the Pixel line of phones I don’t think it affects the audio quality.

[haughty grove]

Yeah. That requires losing some of the cool visual features.

[warm tundra]

oh shit i have a pixel

so thats good

[balmy bronze]

what card do you have now?

Because what you can do for 4k is turn DLSS down. DLSS 4K UltraPerformance = rendering at 1080p and scaling up

but in general I would not recommend trying 4K gaming on anything below a 3080, and probably want a 3090/3080ti

[fickle scroll]

imo just wait for the next gen gpus in a few months

[balmy bronze]

market is pretty good for 3060ti's right now though, pretty much at MSRP. New GPUs are coming out in about 4 months, but they start at the high end, so you're looking at 9-12 months for a 4060

[haughty grove]

currently rocking the ryzen 5 5600x and a base RTX 3060.

[haughty grove]

I’m thinking this is the move. I’ll need to upgrade my psu with any graphics card upgrade anyway.

[balmy bronze]

Then I’d aim a lot higher, 4K gaming is a 3080/3090 thing

Even then those cards can only mostly do 4K

[haughty grove]

I’m ok with 1440p60.

[fickle scroll]

yeah 3060 is a high end card but not "enthusiast" like 6800/3080 12GB and up

what is your psu?

also 3090 can run tons of older games at 8k60

it only has "problems" with 4k with maxed settings in a few new titles

i have and 850w psu that i don't intend to upgrade before 2030

my next gpu might be RX 9600 XT, which will still be under 400w. 7700 XT is estimated to be at 200w, 7900 XT at 400w. so I fully expect 9600 to be well under 400w.

[balmy bronze]

you can probably turn down the RT a bit and turn up DLSS and hit that. It might be tight though the game rather heavy with RT

[haughty grove]

Something like 500watts

[fickle scroll]

i see

yeah nvidia cards are super power hungry

i agree with halgari there. even 3080/3090 owners often turn down some RT settings

tbh it can be hard to tell the difference between some options

i don't think any normal consumer pc today can run cyberpunk maxed at 4k60 (dlss quality)

1440p60... well maybe?

dlss performance looks pretty good imo. i use it sometimes on my 3090

[fathom trail]

You'd most likely want a more beefy PSU

[nova gazelle]

you definitely want to go with something with more wattage

would recommend a 1000w when going with Nvidia, tbh

their next generation is already looking to be even MORE power hungry

[balmy bronze]

someone on reddit the other day was like "yeah I had issues with my 3090 and a 650W", 🤦 that's a fire hazard

[fathom trail]

I mean it should, if it's a good PSU, work under regular load

OC not so much

[balmy bronze]

my 3090 pulled 600W when DLSS and RT is running

That's kindof what GN was talking about awhile back as well 3090 claims it's 300W or 350W, but cards can easily draw 2X that during spikes

[haughty grove]

Just double checked. So I have a powerspec G509. The psu is 650. Either way, the 3070 (any variant) still recommends more than I have. So perhaps I’ll grab a 1k watt, and just be don’t with it. Or is that overkill?

[balmy bronze]

I personally think 1K is the norm for 3000 series. And the trend is to consume more power in exchange for more performance.

[fathom trail]

a quality 650W PSU should handle more than 650W safely

of course I'm not claiming it's a particularly good idea considering spikes but it should work without being a hazard

[haughty grove]

Hmm. Thanks chooms. Looks like I’ll be heading to my local computer store for an upgraded PSU.

[balmy bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEejKLs0FJE

TL;DW - it's a slightly slower 1050ti

60fps in fortnite though, so I guess it works for something

[modern narwhal]

@civic hamlet ping 😉

[civic hamlet]

I remember doing a build in like, 2008, and you had separate hard drive, separate disk drive, also iirc that's when separate SSD and HD was super fashionable because SSD's were small... so many more things, all needing to be hooked up, so much more wiring

😉

when I did my last build in like, 2014 or so, I somehow missed the whole m2 thing completely, feel rather stupid

[modern narwhal]

At home I only has a NAS and a desktop PC, my desktop is this, it has two m.2

[civic hamlet]

damn, a 1 TB, m2, ssd, can typically be had for $100

and 2 TB can be had for $200

that's amazing

[modern narwhal]

m.2 does get pretty hot tho

[civic hamlet]

eh it'll be ok

i'm not overclocking or anything like that

is AMD on top again these days for gaming builds?

[modern narwhal]

I am not gaming, airflow is perfect because not a closed case, at m.2 temps are at 42ºC

[modern narwhal]

Until latest Intel chip, AMD was on top. Now they are almost the same (Intel a bit on top with far more power consumption)

[civic hamlet]

gotcha. yeah if there' snot a big difference I just tend to prefer intel.

I actually use my computer for work much more, but want it to be able to game as well

I still have a gtx 1070 that's definitely showing its age

the main reason I didn't even consider CP for desktop

[modern narwhal]

I have a laptop on top of a cardbox I use for work ^-^

[civic hamlet]

wtf

? this bot is seriously broken

I've been wfh for over 3 years now

!!!!!!

c-ovid is considered a swear word to the bot

[modern narwhal]

Maybe saying "I use a 1050" is considered obscene

[civic hamlet]

anyhow, so since corona...

there we go.

So i've gradually upgraded my setup to match what I had in the office, and now I'm at full parity

[modern narwhal]

Maybe an agressive wordlist to avoid getting offtopic or avoid IRL talks

[civic hamlet]

I have two 49" ultra wides stacked one on top of the other

[modern narwhal]

I have no table space to get a 49'', I jsut have an ultrawide 34'' somewhat close to me

[civic hamlet]

when corona started I didn't either, but after a few months I bought a big L-shaped desk for my office

[modern narwhal]

In the photo the shadow on the table is the shadow of the monitor

[civic hamlet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidemasterrace/comments/tdz1jj/double_49_and_l_shaped_desk_like_your_setup_is/

[modern narwhal]

Too much panel to close to my liking, but well space managed

[civic hamlet]

the lower one is 95% of my usage

and the curve helps

[modern narwhal]

If possible consider a bit cable managing those clables close to the monitors

[civic hamlet]

yeah, I could do that better probably, but at thsi point it's a bit of laziness

if it works I tend to leave it, cable management is always such a pain for some reason

[modern narwhal]

I did cable manage using double sided white velcro

Oner dude told me "oh! no cables", I anwered to double check it

[civic hamlet]

ah nice

we both have that ridiculously overpriced mousepad from logitech

[green panther]

Then do like me and buy it when it's 50 % off

[modern narwhal]

I am happy with the mousepad, cordless mouse with no need to charge it

I agree it was overpriced indeed

[civic hamlet]

yeah, crazy expensive, but its logitech, you pay for quality

for the number of hours I use the thing I'm just not that price sensitive

[balmy bronze]

eh that was several of us, I followed computer tech fairly closely in the early 2000's then stopped for awhile until about 2019. Lot changed in those times, but LTT, Jayz2Cents, GamersNexus did a ton to fill in the gaps

Watched those channels non-stop for a few months while I saved up for my "everything" rig

[civic hamlet]

yeah it's just sad in my case because I did do a decent amount of research

but just somehow, completely, totally missed m2

at least now I know better

[modern narwhal]

anyway, early m2 support in mobos was... expensive and not that many slots

[nova gazelle]

most modern mobos also have built in heatsinks for them

so you don't need to buy a version of m.2 with a built in heatsink

[civic hamlet]

yeah, this should probably be the easiest building experience ever

no need to see if video cards fit either, like with my last small case

[nova gazelle]

built in audio is also much better than it was

[civic hamlet]

put the cpu, ram, and ssd in the mobo. put the mobo, video card, psu in the case. connect a grand total of like 3 cables... done

[nova gazelle]

my previous build relied on an audio card because the mobo's systems were just bad, lol

[civic hamlet]

yeah, it's cool how the motherboard has done more and more over time

personally I feel like built in audio has been good enough for most people for a long time

i think even the build I did in 2008, I didn't seriously consider getting a sound card

[nova gazelle]

used to have an MSI mobo and the build was from 2013, it definitely needed a separate thing for it

[balmy bronze]

it's a bit more complicated now with DDR5 (two types of RAM to worry about) but for awhile yeah it was plug and play

for audio though? I think a lot of people use optical/USB or some sort of bluetooth device. So not much of a need for soundcards these days, even when the mobo is bad

[fickle scroll]

@balmy bronze would you buy an rtx 40-gen Nvidia Titan with 48GB even if it's under 5% better gaming performance than a 4090 Ti?

say, at $3000

900W

[balmy bronze]

pretty awesome to see how these hands have advanced over the years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDb0xiYdKeg

multiple grip modes now, rotatable wrists (not motorized yet though)

[fickle scroll]

I could really use something like that but for my legs. My lower joints are completely done at a young age after 15 years of sprinting, long distance running, tricking, and drumming

[fickle scroll]

Any chance DLSS 3.0 is exclusive to RTX 40?

Or FSR 3.0 exclusive to RDNA3?

or could RTX 40 do DLSS better than RTX 20/30, marking an end to something of an early era of late 2010's early 2020's consumer gpu tech

[modern narwhal]

Nvidia: That would be stupid, when DLSS 2.0 was released it was avaliable in all RTX cards, no only in 20 series. Is there any reason you think they would change that?
AMD: Why would they shoot at their feet? FSR 3.0 would be software, there is no point in that limitation. AMD would like to improve how all their cards behave, not only RDNA3, to make them more competitive against NVidia

[fickle scroll]

FSR 3.0 could be hardware

they're already improving how all cards behave with fsr 1 and 2

which gtx and rtx also benefit from

[modern narwhal]

They could limit FSR 3.0 to AMD cards making the driver implement it and not disclosing its API, but that would not make it RDNA3 exclusive because all AMD cards would benefit from it

Also other manufacturer could check at how software comunicates with AMD drivers and reverse engineer their API, so ultimately pointless

[fickle scroll]

just like DLSS being limted to RTX was pointless?

[olive garnet]

FSR3.0 could be like XeSS where it works better on say RDNA3 than RDNA2 or NVIDIA/Intel products but still works

[grizzled tide]

This guy gets it.

[fathom trail]

It's specifically using physical hardware only on these cards

if I don't recall incorrectly running it without the hardware only gave mediocre results at best

Because DLSS is hardware-dependent 40xx should perform better just like 30xx performs better than 20xx

even if that difference isn't comparably huge

[balmy bronze]

The only reason DLSS is RTX only in the first place is the presence of tensor cores. Those cores are even faster on 3000 series, thanks to tensor compression.

Only way we get another "RTX X only" feature is if the hardware itself doesn't support anything less. For example RTX IO is backwards compatible to 2000 series cards. And RTX itself works on 1000 series cards.

I'd imagine DLSS works just fine on 1000 series cards but it's so slow that its not worth publishing

as an example : https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*zI4W0BXFZ7OHnO7ch0FC_Q.png

That's a ML (tensor) benchmark between the 2060 and the 1080ti

2060 is 28% faster, while the 1080ti is using all its CUDA cores, the 2060 is using only its tensor cores

[fickle scroll]

i'm aware

[fickle scroll]

we all get it though

[fickle scroll]

agreed

[grizzled tide]

You don't.

[fickle scroll]

oh? which comment made you think that? because i do

[fringe furnace]

is a DDR4 worth it for gaming? i'm just gonna add another ram card to my laptop. curious if price tag is worth it

[olive garnet]

how much ram do you have now? because going from 16 to 32 doesnt impact gaming performance

[clever crag]

Black knight got a update with side fan and 2 fans under GPU.

[radiant olive]

Looks great. I did something similar with a 140mm. Just zip tied it to the side panel.

my airflow is different though, fresh air from the back and exhaust from side and top

[radiant olive]

wait, what case is that? Thought it was nr200, but its different

[clever crag]

little bigger. Matx case
Inter-Tech IM-1 Chassi

[radiant olive]

Hot damn, that's pretty darn small for a matx

[clever crag]

@radiant olive Yeaah 😅

[balmy bronze]

The hero we didn't know we needed : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hc52_PWeU8

[fathom trail]

it certainly can impact performance

particularly because people don't generally just have a game open

[olive garnet]

i never peak above 12gb with a lot of programs open

[fathom trail]

I'm pretty much consistently above 16 while doing things

[nova gazelle]

yep, same

16GB gets hit easily

[fickle scroll]

yeah I have 10GB easily without a game up

turned on Wonderlands and I'm at 17GB

[balmy bronze]

yeah but in practice, the game starts, other stuff is swapped to disk and ram size no longer matters. As much as I like 32GB being standard (I have 64GB) it just isn't totally necessary at this point

[olive garnet]

using a standby cleaner you can also free up memory

[balmy bronze]

I wouldn't do that, most of those programs are scam/malware

The OS will routinely move data to swap when it runs out, there's no point in "cleaning" it

[olive garnet]

the "Intelligent standby list cleaner" is made by the same guy from DDU lol

it's quite useful if you ask me

[haughty grove]

Is LTT a bad word here?!

[haughty grove]

https://youtu.be/H19_JKw4QN4

[crude elm]

No, I like ltt

[fringe furnace]

thanks

i save money hehe

[modern narwhal]

I like their style, but sometimes it looks like they are "too sponsored". Personally I discovered one of their videos totally wrong (one that claimed static was harmless to computers) but generally their videos are fun, well made

Some time ago my motherboard broke for no apparent reason, some months later I realised what very likely broke it... Poorly grounded PSU caused shocks when touching the case and ultimately sending the motherboard to the trash bin

[balmy bronze]

that's the problem with these sorts of topics though. Because the facts don't lie, ram chips can take quite a shock and work just fine. Except when they don't...

Personally I ground my hands on the case before doing any changes to my PC, but I've also shocked systems pretty heavily on accident and never had an issue.

But it can damage something. So it's more like "you're probably fine, but why risk it?"

[hidden needle]

Anyone got a not too clicky keyboard they could recommend

[haughty grove]

As in not cherry blues or greens?

All my keebs come from wasd

[hidden needle]

Something that won't keep a person up at night

Something that clicks but not loud like my razer ornata chroma

[haughty grove]

Custom or no?

[hidden needle]

No custom

[haughty grove]

NuPhy Air75 Mechanical Keyboard

Or you can do a Logitech MX Keys

[hidden needle]

Alright I'll check them out thank

[fickle scroll]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1630-graphics-card-for-169-is-an-identically-copy-of-2016s-139-gtx-1050-ti-as-far-as-performance-is-concerned/

Should be an $80 card at most but they're selling for $160-$200

RX 6400 flavor

[olive garnet]

i like how its even worse than the rx 6400

[elder token]

Yea

[modern narwhal]

@sly vale nitro scammer

holy crap, that was fast

[sly vale]

Sometimes

[fickle scroll]

oh snap really? wtf

[olive garnet]

yeah lol

[haughty grove]

So, I'm trying to use my xbox series x controller on my PC w/ an intergrated bluetooth controller. It doesn't work. I'm on the latest drivers and everything. I'm assuming I need to use a different bluethooth card/dongle. Anyone have any recommendations.?

[crude elm]

https://www.techradar.com/how-to/how-to-use-your-xbox-series-x-controller-on-pc#:~:text=Turn on your Xbox controller,%2C then Bluetooth %26 other devices.

Windows should automatically have the drivers and stuff for it

You can use techradar's article I guess to figure out how to connect

[devout stump]

I'm using my Series controller with my old xbox one controller adapter and it works great

[crude elm]

Shouldn't need an adapter since the Xbox One controller. Only 360 needed as far as I know.

[devout stump]

yeah it should work with regular BT too

[haughty grove]

So, apparently I’m having a range issue. If I hold the controller a few cm from the antenna it works. But more than a few cm away and the connection drops. Gonna try to sort out the interference issue(s).

[modern narwhal]

technically bluetooth is supposed to work up to 10 meters

[peak copper]

i remember the times of... infrared

[haughty grove]

True. But I remember reading something a while back, about how bandwidth intensive Xbox controllers are.

[modern narwhal]

Infrared is still going, fortunately only not that popular, relegated to tv controllers

[haughty grove]

Huh, so it was the bt card drivers. Now I can sit back and play my games!

[cedar spear]

guys i need help

How do I make this stop

it barely started happening probably a few weeks ago

and its so annoying, i can't do many things

hold on nvm, let me record it again

its not just the Xbox app, its everything, from the search bar on windows to regular windows tabs, etc etc

[exotic root]

Are you using control?

[cedar spear]

like a xbox controller? if so yes

or like holding down the control key

it happens even when the controller is disconnected though

and it also happens when the keyboard and mouse are disconnected too

[exotic root]

Did you try restarting or setting up from the factory?

[cedar spear]

yeah ive restarted my pc, and even reinstalled windows

[exotic root]

Mmmm, strange, I don't know much, but maybe it's an internal flaw or a virus

Sorry for not being able to help much

[cedar spear]

its all good, thanks for the attempted help

[coarse ember]

Does $600 seem like a fair price for this used (for 5 years) pc right now? Its about half of what I paid for when I built it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HNPCDq

• Gtx 1080 overclocked but never overvolted
• 6700k ran at 4.4ghz

[modern narwhal]

Overpriced. GPU's prices are failing down. For that price you can get a recent Ryzen laptop

[coarse ember]

How much would you be willing to pay if you were to buy it?
Could you link me to a laptop that youre thinking of? Im not very familiar with ryzen laptops

[modern narwhal]

Not in USD but in euros, a friend recently was between an Aspire 5 A515 (650€) and a Pavilion Aero 13-be0009ns (699€) but was looking at a kinda expensive shop

Both were decent AMD Ryzen laptops

[coarse ember]

sorry i assumed UDS. thats what the $600 is in

[coarse ember]

HP Pavilion Aero 13 - Ryzen 5 5600U - AMD Vega 7
3DMark 13 – Fire Strike: 2908

3DMark Fire Strike benchmark scores with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 and Intel Core i7-6700K Processor
Average score: 17883

[balmy bronze]

It's not that the price is off so much, it's that there is better tech for not too far off the price

but let's price it out a sec:

1080's are going for ~$200 on Ebay at the moment,
16GB 3000Mhz RAM isn't bad (not amazing) - $50
1TB NVME SSD - $70
6700k with a motherboard goes for $250 on Ebay, but a 5600X goes for $170 + $50 for a mobo

So really the question you have to ask, is someone going to pay $570 for that system, or spend $700-800 for a 5600X + 3060?

[coarse ember]

Yeah now that I think about it, a build with a rx 6600 or 6600xt around like $700 would probably have similar $ per fps, with the added benefit of everything being new with modern features

good point

I guess the one thing I would need to go for is a lower price bracket where its a lot harder to build a pc because of minimum costs on stuff like power supplies. Also better $ per fps compared to what can be built today, to compensate for it being used. Maybe $400-$500?

[balmy bronze]

or perhaps part it out depending on where you're selling it. GPUs still sell fairly well, and the CPU/MOBO may be useful for those looking for a direct replacement

maybe keep the storage, as HDDs/SSDs are quite hard to properly erase, and there are people who buy used storage devices just to scan them for personal info

[modern narwhal]

if you were a linux user I would say "just dd the heck out of it"

[modern narwhal]

https://askubuntu.com/questions/17640/how-can-i-securely-erase-a-hard-drive

[balmy bronze]

there's so many levels of logic in modern SSDs though from what I understand it may be close to impossible to completely erase consumer SSDs

ah looks like some modern drives may have a drive-level command to nuke the drive at the firmware level : https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/securely-erase-ssd-without-destroying/

but TBH, I never bother, I still have 40GB HDDs from my 160GB RAID device, just because I don't want to bother smashing them and throwing them away yet

[fickle scroll]

...same

i have some 40GB lying around

maybe even a 20GB...

Got rid of all the 8GB, most likely

[waxen hill]

my first build

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/nickbird517/saved/gVPYdC\

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/nickbird517/saved/gVPYdC

overclocked gpu running games at high then some

[balmy bronze]

Nice! Enjoy

[waxen hill]

is has been very fun went from an acer nitro with a 1060 and just WOW

[fickle scroll]

nice!

[meager hare]

I can't get any answer on this over at buildapc discord guess I'll try here

I'm thinking of doing a standoff mod for motherboard and tuck power cables behind it, will it cause problems? Like short circuit or whatever, if the cable touch the motherboard metal or something, I have no knowledge of how it works

[fickle scroll]

RTX 3050 is still high end imo. right there at the 1070 Ti/1080 performance equivalent, arguably midrange but imo the lowest end of high range.

midrange by end of this year for sure.

though i would have gone with the RX 6600 (1080 Ti equivalent) and saved $30

makes me wonder though. will 1080 Ti finally be considered midrange soon?

the king of kings gpu

[balmy bronze]

It wont technically. But parts of the motherboard will get fairly hot. Also I'd be careful as the backside of the mobo can sometimes have rather sharp spikes from the solder holding the pins into the board, if the cables stacked in a wrong way, and you tighten down on the screws I could see something getting punctured or torn. Also I wouldn't attempt to pull the cables through with the mobo on as those pins could slice something open.

So in general I'd just go for a case that has a lot of room behind the mobo mounting plate. For example the super popular 4000D Airflow has almost an inch on the backside for cable routing

[waxen hill]

thanks for the reply and yea didnt do too much research just kinda picked a 30 series and expected it to do better

[fickle scroll]

still a good card imo, especially for 1080p.

[waxen hill]

whats imo

[fickle scroll]

in my opinion

random but i remember buying a GPU for a full 50% below MSRP 2 years after it released.

back before crypto

i wonder how long it will take to get back to that

[olive garnet]

funny how the price i paid for my 5700 is actually still what youd pay for a similar card lol, 390eur for my 5700 back in may 2020 and now you can buy a 6600 for slightly below, 1 6600XT for the same price & the rest is 3050's lol (in my country)

[fickle scroll]

yeah stuff hasn't been the same since like

before 2018

i would sell my 3090 for an RX 6900 XT and $800 any day of the week

imagine making $800 and getting better fps in almost all my 1440p games

hell i'd take a loss and just $500 at this point

[balmy bronze]

3000 series is better over all, but normally xx50 cards are pretty bad. It's just that you skipped 2 generations and DLSS makes up a lot of difference

[olive garnet]

what frames are you getting with your 3090?

[fickle scroll]

not sure how to answer this. i change my settings all the time, and play dozens of games

6900XT crushes 3090 for several hundred dollars cheaper in 1440p though

[fickle scroll]

yeah you're getting some cool things with the 30 series for sure. access to DLSS on top of universal access to FSR, and surely even a bit of ray tracing power even in the 3050. also power efficiency compared to the 1080 it's equivalent to in raster

[hidden needle]

Hey can someone give me a quick run down on ram and megahertz. What they do and what's best

[balmy bronze]

That's a tricky question, on AMD processors RAM mhz should match 1/2 the FCLK of the CPU, so that means AMD CPUs want lower Mhz, 3200-3600 is the best. On Intel CPUs the higher the better.

In general the Mhz of the CPU is how many clock cycles per second the ram can process, the CL number is the number of clocks it takes the RAM to respond to a request. so a 3200Mhz CL14 may be better than a 3800 CL16 because although the RAM is slower it takes less clock ticks to respond

in practice it doesn't matter a whole lot, we're talking 1-10fps a

The rule of thumb: use combination of two sticks. So have 2 or 4 sticks in your system, never 1 or 3. And just go for what you can afford at the time. 16GB is good, 32GB is slightly better, if you don't care about money go for 64GB

[hidden needle]

Alright thanks man. Im getting 32 gigs of ram in my system soon and i haven't done research in a long time

[fickle scroll]

64GB you can't use unless you're doing specific kinds of creative work

i've still never used over like 24GB even with over 200 chrome tabs and multiple games up

I'd wager 32GB will be more than enough for gaming + multitasking for at least another 6 years

but i made sure to go for 48-64+ for my professional systems

[fathom trail]

I'd actually wager over 32 will become beneficial in not too many years for even just gaming

mostly because particularly with new systems more and more people are going for 32 and hence you can actually make games that benefit from it without causing problems for most users

amd when games are designed to use that much then there certainly are going to be more opportunities for it to be a limiting factor

[fathom trail]

That's not quite true is it?

For Zen 3 (and even Zen 2) the ideal speed is a bit higher than that and especially with Zen 3 there's definitely a performance increase for going to 3800

3866 is ideal for Zen 3 at least per AMD's marketing IIRC

of course in practice it makes little difference because the differences aren't large

[modern narwhal]

Officially I am blind xD

[fickle scroll]

Well consoles still have at most 16GB of memory total

that could potentially change with PS5 Pro and Xbox Series Elite, but possibly not

there may be like 3 extremely poorly optimized games out there than can use 16GB of ram. i can't think of any mainstream ones though.

[balmy bronze]

No, you always want the RAM speed to match the FCLK speed otherwise they desync. It's true that faster ram better, but only so much as it's still matching the FCLK

Some claim to be able to have a FCLK of 1900Mhz, but I've never gotten it to be stable on my previous 5950x.

But the overall point was: don't get 4200Mhz RAM and run it at 4200Mhz with an AMD CPU, it may actually be slower than running it at 3600Mhz (and tighter timings)

Whereas with Intel you can pretty much throw the fastest RAM possible at it, and it'll be happy

[balmy bronze]

And they don't even need to use 32GB. Windows starts swapping out RAM when it gets to about 75% usage, and any "extra" ram is used as a disk cache by the OS. So 16GB of RAM is really more like 12GB due to OS swapping. Then take out ~2GB for the OS's overhead. And you're at about 10GB for a game. Lots of games these days will use 10GB or so, meaning you don't really have much wiggle room.

Already it's pretty easy to start touching swap with 16GB. That'll get worse once games start using more RAM. So 32GB is what I'd reach for for any gaming PC these days.

Nice fat disk cache, no swapping, and multitasking

[livid walrus]

Hello I have a problem with epic games - After computer full reset, when i start some of the games such as GTA V or Fall Guys (before the reset both of them were working correctly) it shows "Running" for a few seconds and then it crashes with no error / error code 0xc000007b. I would be glad if anyone could help. Thanks :D
PS. Fortnite is running as always

[green panther]

Usually is a client issue iirc, basically reinstall EGS.

[modern narwhal]

@shadow cedar scammer kinda active today

[livid walrus]

solved by installing csgo from steam xD

it downloaded directx for me

i couldnt do it manually idk why

[green panther]

That's an odd sollution

[livid walrus]

xD

[balmy bronze]

probably using a old version of DX

DX9? that would seem strange

[hollow dagger]

my game crashes after i launch it on steam, how do I fix this?

[scarlet granite]

Can you be more specific?

[hollow dagger]

you know that CDÅR launcher you get after you launch it on steam?

CDPR*

when I click play the launcher just closes and the game wont open, and on steam it goes from RUNNING to PLAY

[scarlet granite]

I would verify game file integrity through steam first and see if it still happens

Is this the first time you're launching or is this happening after awhile of playing?

[balmy bronze]

verify the files in steam, what are your system specs

also have you ever used mods with the game?

[hollow dagger]

I have verifies loads of times and my specs are 3070 and an AMD 3 3700x the game worked fine before

but after they introduced that CDPR launcher a while back the game wouldt launch

[olive garnet]

Anyone have experience with the Xbox All Access program? Anyone recommend it?

[fathom trail]

The launcher was there on launch wasn't it?

You could always just start the .exe

[olive garnet]

Add -launcher-skip and it’ll bypass the launcher

[orchid jasper]

@hollow dagger like @olive garnet suggested, you can skip the RED Launcher. (See video) As far as I'm concerned, you need to add "--launcher-skip", so it's a double dash before "launcher", and a single dash before "skip", everything in one word, without the quotation marks. If that didn't work and your game is installed on any other drive than C:, open Windows Defender settings and create an exception for Cyberpunk2077.exe in 'Data Execution Prevention.', for both private and public networks. If there are multiple entries of Cyberpunk, tick all of them.
https://youtu.be/REptrIS8DzI

[hollow dagger]

Yhe I have done that as well but the game wont open

[modern narwhal]

@vagrant notch There has been some debate about the 30 and 40 series power consumption, here is a good analysis about what happens technically

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnRyyCsuHFQ

[balmy bronze]

I don't like the title/basic analysis in that video, but in the end the conclusions are fine

Steve throws all the blame on the GPU makers (specifically NVidia) at the start. Although later admits that it's also partly the PSU maker's fault, or really that they both need to somehow agree.

[upbeat narwhal]

is anyone using a mechanical keyboard? I am considering getting a new one (assembling a keyboard for a first time) but I am not sure about the switched (I'm currently using cherry MX blue switches). any recommendations for tactile switches? or what are you currently using?

[balmy bronze]

I have the kenesis gaming, as that helps my RSI. In general I prefer browns

[fickle scroll]

we've watched this yeah. good vid.

but i just cap my fps and literally experience zero such issues with a 3090

[gray glacier]

*[Specs: RTX 3070Ti, Ryzen 7 5800X, 16 GB DDR4 RAM, M.2 SSD, 720p DLSS'd to 4k]

Why could ray tracing be causing severe stutters in my system? Most of what I've looked up mentions a possible memory "leek". The game loads up and runs more or less as expected for the first couple of minutes, but then performance drops to completely unplayable levels. LOD/crowd density have an unreasonable impact on the magnitude of these stutters. This persists across both vanilla 1.52 and a slightly modded profile with some streaming optimization tweaks. When RT is disabled, I get some stutters but they are extremely rare and performance is as expected from my hardware. Any ideas?*

[Posting for @fallen lynx, because of overenthusiastic bot 🤖]

[modern narwhal]

You have not tried to talk in this channel about water cooling loops xD. Indeed an enthusiastic bot

[gray glacier]

Ah yes, the spillage

[modern narwhal]

@fallen lynx I would do some troubleshooting. In game OSD showing:

• usage % for GPU and CPU
• temps for GPU and CPU
• FPS

[fallen lynx]

CPU usage stays rather low (40-50%), GPU reaches full load (98%+)
Temps are below throttling limits, a bit below 80ºC
The game runs at 50-60FPS (Ultra, all RT) until it begins stuttering, rapidly dropping to an average of 25 or so

[modern narwhal]

CPU keeps the same?

[fickle scroll]

8GB vram in CP2077 at 4k is not a possibility

it's frankly insane they released $500, $600 8GB cards in 2020, that frequently sold for $1300-1500

8GB would even be hard at 1440p to be frank, and that's with lowered settings

I use almost 10GB at 1440p on a 3090. 4k uses 12GB. though it seems on other cards, it will read as using less
though a 3080 10GB will use the 10GB okay, i think? not sure if there are any slowdowns when playing maxed 4k on this patch

[fallen lynx]

In vanilla, I've noticed that performance drops off gradually before beginning to stutter, and this is marked by lower CPU usage (ends up in the 30s at a maximum); at that point, even opening the map lags the game for a good 5-10 seconds

[fallen lynx]

I tried DLSS-ing to 1080p as well with no notable change; 4k DLSS Ultra Performance renders at an internal resolution of 720p, same as 1080p DLSS quality, does DLSS have a VRAM cost?

[fickle scroll]

in MY personal experience, DLSS had little to no effect on vram usage

[fickle scroll]

i also observed this vram limitation when playing Resident Evil Village on a 3070 at 1440p

3070/3070ti is a great 1080p series

1440p too but not for 2020 games

i would say RTX 3060Ti/3070/3070ti are great 1080p cards
3080 10GB/12GB/Ti great at 1440p
3090/3090 Ti great at 4k

but for older games, of course, anything goes

i bet a 3070ti will run many older games at 4k

you can manually lower your resolution, or other settings, and close programs in the background

but i don't know if 8GB will run CP2077 at 4k in any context. maybe with textures lowered a lot?

[green panther]

Soo does that mean allocation or actual usage ? 😉 People claimed 10GB of VRAm isn't enough for many games yet so far not many issues has been seeen. Like CP7 only uses 7.5GB of VRAM (actual) on 4k without any RT. Only if you add the RT it spikes to just below 10GB.

[balmy bronze]

Certainly sounds like a RAM usage or heat issues

[fickle scroll]

allocation most likely, most of the time.

well except he really is vram limited. as you say, shut off rtx entirely and get just below 8GB. use optimized settings and get below 7GB

but maxed 4k with rt? nope

memory limited in these big beefy titles

had the exact same issue with my 3070

[fickle scroll]

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=12G-P5-3958-KR

$1100 hybrid 3080 ti, also eligible for the rtx game bundle

decent deal

[fickle scroll]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-strix-g15-advantage-edition-15-6-fhd-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-5900hx-16gb-memory-radeonrx-6800m-512gb-ssd/6466550.p?skuId=6466550or for $150 more, get a laptop with 6700XT equivalent power

[fickle scroll]

https://wccftech.com/fsr-2-0-mod-diablo-2-resurrected-dlss/#disqus_thread

[balmy bronze]

Always a fan of Buildzoid, good points in being careful on you evaluate RAM : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ehKJj8TLo

[balmy bronze]

1/3rd of the way through this video and I love it so far : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN8ZAf15DrM

[restive zenith]

finally got my xtrfy m42 wireless 🙂
arrived in just 2 days from sweden

[olive garnet]

https://youtu.be/kOO31qFmi9A

[coarse ember]

Hi Nerds,
Question:

For a pure gaming PC build right now, would it be worth getting an 8 core cpu (or more) over a 6 core cpu, not for gaming performance now, but for future proofing?

I dont think theres much of a difference in 2 cores right now for gaming, but I heard the new consoles have 8 core cpus. I know good amount of games are developed for console first then ported over to pc because its a lot more streamlined that way. Im guessing the newer games will better take advantage of higher core counts and multithreading so thats where the logic to this argument comes from.

A solid 6 core cpu right now is th R5 5600x for example, at $175. I think the cheapest 8 core cpus are the i7s from 10th gen intel or the R7 5700x at $275. Maybe the i5 12600k with 6P4E, 14 threads at $260?

From that pricing alone I think no way right? Very little performance gain right now and maybe better performance in the future at the cost of $100? (Again, for pure gaming).

Im curious to hear other opinions on this since it doesnt seem like this is talked about much right now

[fathom trail]

Honestly future proofing doesn't make sense

furthermore 8-core CPUs (or similar) were already used on consoles in the past, the PS4/Xbox One both had APUs with dual quad cores and for example the One X already used a proper 8-core

[fathom trail]

Specifically because you're spending more money now for a possible benefit later even though it'd generally be better to buy what you need now and upgrade later

furthermore the less you spend on say, the CPU the more you can spend on other things

[coarse ember]

Woah yeah there are 8 physical cores in the 2014 xbox one and PS4 now that I look it up. The consoles aside, do you think games released in the future will be better at utilizing more cores than the games now?

[fathom trail]

Yes

however I don't think buying a better CPU now because of that future makes sense - you'd certainly be better off buying what you need now and then upgrading later

if you skip a couple generations you will most likely see major per-core performance improvements and even higher core counts at around the same price

[hidden needle]

I need some help one something. I recently upgraded my pc with three things. A new power supply motherboard and RAM. It has constant been blue screening on high and low end games. It reboots for no reason aswell.

If anyone has an idea what problem i could be having please help me. I will provide system specs if you ask

[balmy bronze]

so auto-rebooting is a OS level issue. In this case, I might first check the memory with a memory check, as well as ask if you completely reinstalled the OS

a mobo replacement is like a brain transplant kindof need to reinstall everything

[hidden needle]

do you have any guides for those on hand? i don't want to worsen it lol

[crude elm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL4DCEp7blY&ab_channel=LinusTechTips

Probably best to look at something that goes through everything step by step.

You can skip the parts selection stuff and go to the build stuff.

[hidden needle]

thanks for the video but i believe it's a software problem as amd sometimes says a driver timeout occurred. i will definitely see if anything's loose or out of place.

[crude elm]

If you just replaced components, and are running into so many issues, it is possible it is a driver issue, but also possible something isn't set right. For example, like someone said above, you could have a memory not properly slotted. Maybe your cooling isn't proper. Replacement of a motherboard means you need to put everything back on it, so it could be either software or hardware.

But, it has some troubleshooting references there.

[rocky leaf]

https://youtu.be/BSkcMwzZEFo they saved money on cooling

[balmy bronze]

Not anything new, Apple has pissed me off for years on how much they stifle their CPUs

they used to shove a i9 in a ultra-thin case, and have it share a heatpipe with a GPU, then blame Intel for being too hot

maybe don't try to run a workstation processor in a 1in case and you'll be more successful

that's when I knew Apple wasn't for me. I want power in my computers, I don't give a crap about weight/size

[distant ingot]

I'm gonna need a bit of help here to decide:

3060 and 3060ti are the ones that came to mind, but when I looked the benchmark, power consumption and etc for both of them, I found myself thinking that it's a small FPS difference including the use of RT and DLSS, though 3060ti offers a better performance. For the pricing, I’m taking this from SCAN UK, 3060 is like around £379 at minimum and 3060ti go between £499 to £650. I have been stuck with 1050ti for a long time, mainly because I didn't know much about PC when I had pre-built gaming PC (and it was actually a turd ) until I learnt so much that I was a bit embarrassed and admitted how dumb I was to upgrade from 1050 non-ti to 1050ti.

Right now, I have been playing less games for a short amount of time like 2 hours on average (if it's a game that I'm willing to put most of my time to finish, 8-12 hours). Other than that, I also do editing like Premiere Pro for making short films as many as I can if I’m bothered (I do use lumetri color, color correction and what not on Premiere, though it depends on the project), and recently, still thinking about making a 9-hour observational documentary in the near future. For gaming, I normally optimize the graphic settings that I feel comfortable with especially if I want to use RT, as I’m generally not concerned about playing it at above 60FPS in ultra settings at all times. In terms of the monitor, it seems very unlikely that I’ll be upgrading my monitor to 1440p 120Hz at some point given my circumstances, so I have been living with 1080p 21” monitor 60Hz for years.

These are my specs at the moment:
Ryzen 5 5600x (with a stock CPU cooler)
2x 8GB Corsair 3600mhz DDR4
Zotac GTX 1050ti

Overall, I’m just not quite sure which. I had second thoughts and was slowly leaning towards to getting 3060 non-ti regardless of the affordability.

[balmy bronze]

What storage device are you using?

lol, sorry about htat

[distant ingot]

Two internal sata SSDs.

Nah, it’s cool. Lol

[balmy bronze]

Yeah, then I think a GPU upgrade is certainly what you should look for at this moment, a 3060ti is faster than a 3060 and 8GB of VRAM should be enough

if you're using adobe products, I'd also consider upgrading to 32GB of RAM

[distant ingot]

I guess 3060ti, that is. 3060ti was what I initially wanted to get, to be honest.

[fickle scroll]

i think 6 cores are still good for gaming. they're likely still gonna release 6 core cpus for at least another 2 generations

[fathom trail]

I'd assume we'll see 6-core CPUs for even longer than that

I mean 4-core CPUs are still being released, I'd assume those would get phased out first

[balmy bronze]

yeah, but we'll start to see "firm" requirements for 6 core in the near future I suspect. I remember how DA:I ran like utter trash on a dual core. Even now I'd say quad core is a bit underpowerd especially if you lack HT

[fathom trail]

6 cores is already the de facto min spec for actual use (in terms of gaming) at this point

[balmy bronze]

Indeed

[coarse ember]

Quad core is already struggling today. Now I know cyberpunk is not the best example, but with a 6700k and GTX 1080, the 6700k is actually the bottleneck and the 1080 is only used around 80%. My GPU has always been the bottleneck for me in other games

[balmy bronze]

Yeah, Cyberpunk is certainly a sign of things to come. Although to be fair, 6th gen Intel is also quite a bit behind

[coarse ember]

I was checking out the fps calculator on that PC builder website, and the 6700k is beaten by the 10100 which is hard for me to accept. $350 flagship vs like a $100 budget i3, same cores, same threads. Yeah its like a 4 year difference, but wow. I don't think it's on the website yet, but I'm pretty sure the 12100 would destroy the 6700k/7700k.

I think it's fair to say the same thing will happen with 6 cores eventually, it's just a matter of when? So like in 2 years, or like 10 years? For right now though, too much value in the 5600x to go above 6 cores for mid range/high range gaming only builds (seems like this is the consensus from this discord server and judging by the price s right now). I'm hoping 13th gen intel raptor lake and AM4 will be good. Not for myself, but helping a friend build a PC near Black Friday. Maybe the budget cpus will have a baseline of 8 cores. That would be great

[balmy bronze]

That's pretty accurate though, the generation by generation improvement in CPU tech is about 10-20%. So let's take 15% as a baseline, if the 6700k has a base speed of 1x, then a 10700k would have a relative performance of: 1.78x

[balmy bronze]

yeah I think 13th gen will be quite good, I'm considering switching myself just to get in o DDR5 and the insane speed of some of the new Intel CPUs

[final loom]

The only true guide for PC building is the one from The Verge

[balmy bronze]

Did you see the one LTT did with that guy? Pretty good stuff.

[final loom]

The one from LTT is good

[modern narwhal]

It is a redemption video, kudos for the dude

[echo goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45n5pnEyw9o

[worldly plaza]

https://youtu.be/-wJOUAuKZm8

[grizzled tide]

Future proofing is not a thing - it is only getting a few more years worth of use (at best), but with new CPUs just around the corner, it is not a great time to purchase unless you are fine with sticking with one (or in some cases, two) generations behind the market.

If your current CPU is not enough for your current workload, get it.

The way you decide whether something is worth purchasing or not is by breaking down the factors that are actually making it worth it, if those factors do not impress you for the price you pay then it's probably not the best idea.

[sleek spruce]

personally im still using a 10 series but ill prolly upgrade when the 40 drops imo its better to make big big purchases overe small ones when it comes to gaming itll save money in the long run