#😇offtopic-chat

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orchid wagon
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Why looking for reality through fiction ?

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You know I refused to use reference image for all my project mostly just a test to see what thing look like if it not being bound and constrained by reality

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People based stuff on real thing to make it look more "convincing" but I refused

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I wanted to show people my mindscape and my mindscape rarely bound to reality, what an artist made reflected who they are, while I love hard surface, sometime an empty room look beautiful enough for me

kind sonnet
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Any ideas why I can't pick the de role from #🎭roles ?
The other ones are working. <.<

orchid wagon
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Uhh Roles bot was died long time ago

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You had to contact with mods in order to get roles

kind sonnet
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Oh, okay thanks. Didn't know that. 😅

orchid wagon
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It fine, there is no way people could know that, the staff really need to put notice in Roles channel that the bot is dead

gloomy matrix
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You should be able to see the German channels now

kind sonnet
fierce ibex
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it's still down?

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seems weird, the bot itself doesn't have any status issues according to their site

gloomy matrix
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Been that way for a long time

fierce ibex
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strange

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never used CarlBot though

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Zira is the one that I have in a few servers

gloomy matrix
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I don't know xD

simple birch
narrow trellis
outer ridge
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Quick question, whats the fastest vehicle you can buy?

arctic thicket
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I recommend reading Neuromancer then. It's rather well explained in that book, but the gist is that the netdecks are a visualization system for the net. The cyberspace itself is way too complex to be understood at all by the human minds. So people use netdecks to project a view of the 'net into their mind so that they can interact with it. In most cyberpunk (the genre) lore you have to be somewhat defensive in the net because AI and other corporate self-defense systems can easily create data that would fry the brain of a human.

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The concept is both fantastical and somewhat realistic. But you have to remember, cyberpunk as a genre was created in 1980, before the internet. Some authors even assert that it was the infatuation with cyberspace (and cyberpunk) that drove early programmers to want to create something in real life, and so they created the internet.

burnt tusk
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But why not just type super fast instead of going into the cyber space, real life hacking is kind of slow and doesn’t involve “movie hacking fast typing “I’m in” with cool guy glasses sorta stuff”.

arctic thicket
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In Neuromancer cyberspace is described as "a consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of legitimate operators in every nation." And what does that mean to you and me today? What do we call memes, and troll sites, and millions of people arguing about a game, but "a consensual hallucination". Some (including myself) would assert that the modern internet is cyberspace, and that cyberspace is in our minds every time we group-think to make a meme.

burnt tusk
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Like, SQL injections and scripts exist.

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As well as other executables.

burnt tusk
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I guess the connect to cyberspace part is mostly fantastical.

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Cause the only true real world equivalent I can see is for a video game.

burnt tusk
arctic thicket
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Sure, these days cyberpunk is very much a "alternate history". And you see this laced all through the genre. The US feared Japan's rising power, so a lot of cyberpunk involves powerful japanese corporations like Arasaka. But then Japan went through a economic crash in the 80's and they aren't the powerhouse they were in the past. But cyberpunk didn't change do adapt to that.

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Likewise people in the US feared corporate takeovers of culture. Our President in the 80's (Regan) removed a lot of restrictions on corporations so they could start advertising to kids, didn't have to be as truthful in advertising, etc. So that's why Cyberpunk gets gun ads and "beamed into your mind" corporate propaganda. Turns out we didn't get any of that from the 80's, instead we got social media and facebook, lol

burnt tusk
burnt tusk
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arctic thicket
burnt tusk
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Ahhhh okieee

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It’s unnerving how close the Cyberpunk world seems to reality.

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We aren’t quite there yet with augmentations but we seem to be getting there.

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As well as other technologies.

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And political rulings being led by the very rich at the top.

arctic thicket
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It is, and I do like how it has this view of "humans will find a way". There are AI takeovers in Cyberpunk lore, but they're never full planet takeovers. For example in CP77 the entire city of Hong Kong (iirc), is owned by AI. Any human shows up is killed by every lawnmower, soda machine, and traffic patrol car. AIs will live in medical equipment and random parts of the net until they can escape and strike a deal with these more free AIs

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Like that makes much more sense to me than Skynet

burnt tusk
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That also makes sense to me.

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But hopefully we don’t get that bad.

arctic thicket
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Also realize that the quickhacks we see in CP77 are mostly a gameplay device. Even today malware adapts so rapidly that there's no way a localized hack could be accomplished in seconds via an off-the-shelf system. One person would hear about the hack, fix it, and sell the fix.

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These days those sorts of fixes happen in a matter of days, so malware is more about "how many computers can I hack before I'm detected and shut down", not "here, buy this magic spell that reboots people's eyes"

burnt tusk
arctic thicket
burnt tusk
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It’s a shame there isn’t more Cyberpunk media that doesn’t feel more Cyberpunk.

arctic thicket
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Agreed, probably the best in recent times, imo, is Altered Carbon (season 1, season 2 is trash)

burnt tusk
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Which I think I’ll like visually.

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Dunno what Daniel is gonna do though.

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So I can’t say anything about the story.

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I haven’t watched Altered Carbon. 😅

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I should do that.

obtuse kettle
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however S1 is of course the better story

burnt tusk
obtuse kettle
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(both in terms of concept and execution IMO)

burnt tusk
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Like how Cyberpunk 2077 is?

obtuse kettle
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I'd say so

burnt tusk
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Oh cool.

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I like Night City’s design a lot.

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Sometimes I sit on the back of a car and just watch the city go by.

obtuse kettle
arctic thicket
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Altered Carbon is a bit different than cyberpunk but a lot of the themes are the same, rich are all powerful (even called Methuselahs because they can live 1000 years).

obtuse kettle
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Altered Carbon is definitely cyberpunk but it's certainly not Cyberpunk

arctic thicket
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Later seasons of Westworld are rather cyberpunk, and I liked 1-3

arctic thicket
# burnt tusk Is the series pretty?

Here's a interesting thing, that bright palette is unique to Cyberpunk 77, most of the lore, and stories in the genre are not like that. Most are dark, brooding, etc.

burnt tusk
obtuse kettle
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and even 2077 was originally visioned as a very different game

arctic thicket
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Mostly because the genre often pulls in "noir" themes of "one man, thrown off the force, must now battle corporations if he's not too depressed to give up along the way"

burnt tusk
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I thought colorful pretty cities with a lot of light was the norm.

obtuse kettle
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the original trailer is very different

burnt tusk
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Cause Ghost in the Shell and Akita and Blade Runner all have them.

obtuse kettle
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honestly I do think this was the superior choice, cyberpunk media should be more colourful IMO 😄

burnt tusk
arctic thicket
burnt tusk
obtuse kettle
burnt tusk
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It’s a colorful city with lights.

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It looks so prettyyyy

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I love the city irl too.

obtuse kettle
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I'd call it pretty muted in terms of colour

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the main focus is of course the red jacket and the city gives wonderful contrast to that

burnt tusk
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Maybe my eyeballs are HD.

burnt tusk
obtuse kettle
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it's very pretty but it's not really colourful is at least my opinion on it

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now that's a terribly phrased sentence from me

burnt tusk
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Ahh okie

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XD

obtuse kettle
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the lack of colour in the city (even if there is some) is exactly what makes this scene work so well visually

burnt tusk
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I can see that.

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It looks really nice, hats off to the artists.

ripe root
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cdpr stock 7_ 0_ 👇

burnt tusk
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Or if you want the parts of the character and the world to be parts of yours.

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People who might work in pen testing might be more attracted to fictional narratives where the main focus is hacking.

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People who are into sports might be interested in sports movies or novels.

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This isn’t always the case though.

gloomy matrix
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Funny part is, I love fantasy, but am not a history lover xD

burnt tusk
gloomy matrix
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Yeah, but that is sci-fi magic xD

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Much easier to suspend disbelief that in the future, they figured out how to use that magic xD

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I am thinking more like shows that are supposed to be in the modern era, but you know what they did was just stupid, doesn't work like that, etc

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It takes you out of that moment

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Mr. Robot, for example, for hacking, was pretty realistic

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While most "hacking" is fancy UIs, technical words that mean absolutely nothing they are actually talking about, and magically do much more than realistic.

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That is more of what I mean. If your job is in a certain field, you probably would hate to watch things that deal with that because you would always be judging it through your own knowledge and experience.

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Even if you didn't want to 😼

orchid wagon
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Yeah man, I didn't watch movie/game in order to learn how to use Blender

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Maybe he just looking for something to inspired himself to go further

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But movie/game is the worst you should get inspired from since reality is way way way less cool

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Well except being an modeling artist which you can make a lot of cool shit happen on your screen

tired vortex
compact chasm
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hi

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woo

limpid drift
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Or when ppl in movie picks a lock with just a hairpin or paperclip, no tension tool.

gloomy matrix
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Hollywood, misrepresenting pretty much everything in real life, one movie/show at a time.

limpid drift
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You guys should love the Hacker Crackdown and Exploding the Phone.

arctic thicket
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Pretty much this way in every area of movies though. No swordfights last 5 minutes, they're over in 20 sec with one person dead.

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Same thing with any sort of battle with hand-to-hand. Old battles (greek/roman days) lasted hours with one side pushing the other until one side freaks out and flees and gets hunted down by the other.

knotty cairn
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Many great movies and TV shows I have not seen yet

mint elm
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keanu reeves* lol

runic kraken
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My message will probably just sink in this flow of spam lul..
But I just wanted to say, that I RLY LOVE THIS GAME.

It gives so much joy, and emotions. Literally amazing.
After several years of searching of decent project and a year + of waiting (till CDPR will fix bugs lul) I finally found and experienced it đŸ€©
Truly takes a honorable place in me fav games list.

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sry I just needed to tell this someone LUL

tired vortex
mint elm
tired vortex
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Okay, this channel news thingy that's being tested in beta. Actually kind of annoying

vagrant cairn
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Do you think they'll update consoles with some of the mods out there?

arctic thicket
vagrant cairn
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hmmm.... feelscyberpunkman

jagged prairie
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interesting name, thou, against CP 2077 Rules

silver blaze
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Looks like it

ember pine
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Cyberduck

limpid drift
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About hacking in movie, some HN comment about the Flipper Zero: I love how movies show hacking devices as super serious futuristic goggles the open 6 different terminals that patch you through sockets on satellites, but the best thing in real life is a dolphin tamagotchi.

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😄

orchid wagon
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Movie could work as inspiration, but that inspiration not going to last very long when people realized how boooring real life was

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It is an tool for escapism after all

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Try to take inspiration from movie/game instead of real life work is the silliest thing to do ever, unless you are artist who try to learn and recreated something similar

ashen flicker
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i can play cyberpunk on the steam deck at 30fps life is good ngl

gloomy matrix
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@trail vapor, this is not a Cyberpunk 2077 channel. Please see the channels under the Cyberpunk 2077 section.
This is also not a spoiler friendly channel for the game. Please post spoilers in the proper channels, either #🎼gameplay_and_quests or #📚lore-chat

trail vapor
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Oh mb

misty ridge
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We're not big on memes here, thanks.

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So if a gif gets deleted, that's prob why.

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Thank you.

lime dove
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Idk where else to ask this because its technically not a #🔹technical_discussions question so here it goes. Is there anyway I can get the camera to let me take photos while I am sitting and such. It's very frustrating that there is so many area's i'd like to take a photo that I just can't.

misty ridge
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You can try altering V's pose.

trail vapor
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I had a question, what is the best way to make money because I have to get 15,000 for a story mission and am super broke.

full needle
arctic thicket
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If you loot and sell everything that’s easily 1000 per stop

trail vapor
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i need 15k tho

arctic thicket
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There's at least that many gigs/ncpd jobs in Watson alone

knotty cairn
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i can't wait to see this game sequel on Unreal Engine 5

primal schooner
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Did the game get better on ps4 after 1.5 ??

knotty cairn
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I thought I was never gonna finish it on PS4, and that I'd need a PS4 Pro or PS5

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I'm playing it on PS4 regular right now, it's awesome with the sound system, you really feel like Night City on the big screen

pseudo blaze
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So when I'm doing an NCPD scanner mission, and I'm taking down the bad guys, they can actually call the cops to bust my ass. Is this intentional???

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must be those corrupt policemen i bet

gloomy matrix
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They don't call the police

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But, I remember I had one officer walk near me when I was assulting a gang

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The officer started attacking me

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They just see "You are attacking someone, you must be a criminal"

pseudo blaze
gloomy matrix
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Same way that would probably happen if you were taking out gangs irl, and a police officer happened to pass by

pseudo blaze
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welp

orchid wagon
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Shoot first, ask later, just the stuff of Night City lol