nelson flight type is what it shoulda been from the start
#PuddleStompers Guide to the Tri-M System
lament dawn
field guide to suldan?
zenith star
I know people often jest about having bad luck. But I am forever haunted by my beautiful boss encounter that went up in flames by rolling 7 ones on structure dice in a row.
lament dawn
field guide to suldan?
shocked you havent used the LCP before it's probably the most commonly used one ever
zenith star
I gave up trying to not powercreep the Nelson with the Aldrin because I genuinely couldn't make a mech I considered "good" and not powercreep the nelson
lament dawn
EXACTLY LOL
I made a nelson alt that I quite like
avoiding nelson erasure (mostly)
zenith star
The aldrin is literally from a failed project of mine called B-Sides lancer that attempted to rebalance everything just to shake things up for a campaign of mine and the Aldrin is basically just the B-Nelson.
lament dawn
you showed that one lol
zenith star
You remember it?
lament dawn
parts
zenith star
Or did I post in here
lament dawn
you posted in here
zenith star
My B-Displacer was beautiful...
lament dawn
that was the one you showed lol
crisp moss
shocked you havent used the LCP before it's probably the most commonly used one ...
dont tell anyone but i dont use third party
crisp moss
i mean
zenith star
I LIKE BALANCE
you are playing lancer
zenith star
There is a wide spectrum.
lament dawn
but it probably wont
true, but many do
zenith star
Granted, I don't use homebrew much either.
Mostly because its been impossible to find time to play.
lament dawn
true, but many do
IMI is quite balanced across the board, with the exception of the coromuel, but empakaii exists so cut some slack
crisp moss
IMI?
crisp moss
never heard of that one
zenith star
And when I was playing I wanted to play all the frames that still caught my eye and I wasn't super interested in a lot of homebrew bandied about often, I found a lot of it overstatted or just. Far too wordy for no reason and worse, didn't play nice with C/C.
crisp moss
oh wow you people dont play the game
i play with people who dont play the game
zenith star
oh wow you people dont play the game
oh come off it
crisp moss
i dm, i dont care about using peoples third party
lament dawn
lol
crisp moss
im playing in ONE game
zenith star
Oh Vulc escaped his family
lament dawn
i play with people who dont play the game
ngl that kinda sounds like agony lol
crisp moss
wallflower gm vanished off the face of the earth
burnt egret
I LIKE BALANCE
Motherfucker says they like balance and then plays the TTRPG equivalent of Magneto-Storm-Psylocke
crisp moss
after saying game was tomorrow
crisp moss
Motherfucker says they like balance and then plays the TTRPG equivalent of Magne...
WHAT DO THESE WORDS MEAN
lament dawn
something about X men probably
zenith star
MVC 2 meta
lament dawn
And when I was playing I wanted to play all the frames that still caught my eye ...
SAYS YOU
you people are crazy
crisp moss
moderatly balanced
lament dawn
moderatly balanced
it is actually quite tight
crisp moss
the suppliments (even first party)
lament dawn
NPC's in particular
crisp moss
actually especially first party
the mechs were stronger when they were weaker
when 3d6 was a lot of damage
when 3 armor was frame defining
lament dawn
when 3d6 was a lot of damage
3d6 was never a lot of damage big dawg
crisp moss
YES IT IS
lament dawn
core book, that mourning cloak is doing 6d6 @ LL6
lock in
we explode people in this bitch
crisp moss
im gonna come ot your house and deal you 3d6 damage with a warpike and you can tell me about that
zenith star
SAYS YOU
I stand by Tri-M being far more balanced than you give it credit, my tenants for it was nothing better than the best stuff in base, it doesn't require any fuckery with C/C, and if an effect was to be long, I would make a grand attempt to put it into as few and as clear words as possible.
lament dawn
im gonna come ot your house and deal you 3d6 damage with a warpike and you can t...
and you're not gonna do enough damage to kill a T2 witch on average
crisp moss
if you dont look at seimei
crisp moss
and you're not gonna do enough damage to kill a T2 witch on average
eewewewewe wowaowaoaw
lament dawn
I stand by Tri-M being far more balanced than you give it credit, my tenants for...
I am arguing the point of "wordy"
crisp moss
that you rn
lament dawn
eewewewewe wowaowaoaw
a striker not one shotting someone on their turn is embarassing even in core book
burnt egret
I am arguing the point of "wordy"
See a lot of your problems would be solved if this game had more keywords.
zenith star
Try the Koschei.
crisp moss
yeah acutally
zenith star
See a lot of your problems would be solved if this game had more keywords.
no, down
zenith star
this is the wordiest thing in the whole pack. It is a lich alt
lament dawn
See a lot of your problems would be solved if this game had more keywords.
see I have nothing wrong with wordy mechs
Im just saying he fuckin has em
lament dawn
See a lot of your problems would be solved if this game had more keywords.
though I dont fully no what this means
zenith star
Its a lot, but it is trying to account for a LOT of edge cases because it is so close to fully breaking the game with a missed interaction.
crisp moss
this is a fucking nightmare
lament dawn
Its a lot, but it is trying to account for a LOT of edge cases because it is so ...
this is exactly what zeilinger is lol
burnt egret
Im just saying he fuckin has em
Brother I edited this shit. Trust me, I am aware.
zenith star
though I dont fully no what this means
Vulc is a vibes based player
lament dawn
and you're not gonna do enough damage to kill a T2 witch on average
sorry ur also not gonna do enough damage to kill a T1 witch on average
burnt egret
Vulc is a vibes based player
Weren’t you the one bemoaning the fact there wasn’t a keyword or some easier way to denote whether something can just shoot through walls?
As opposed to over or around?
zenith star
Weren’t you the one bemoaning the fact there wasn’t a keyword or some easier way...
That was being talked about within the context of a full new system.
crisp moss
thanks it's trying.
its not busted i dont think , its just awful and i hate it and its gonna haunt my dreams, days and nightmares until the day i shuffle off this mortal coil
zenith star
That would be a ground up endeavor, adding keywords now would onyl make things worse.
crisp moss
overall, 7/10, give it more armor
zenith star
on it
burnt egret
its not busted i dont think , its just awful and i hate it and its gonna haunt m...
Excellent, this means we have succeeded.
lament dawn
you people are incomprehensible why are we making these extremely high effort homebrews when we dont even use homebrews lol
crisp moss
you people are incomprehensible why are we making these extremely high effort ho...
i use MINE
duh
and for validation from strangers on the internet
also duh
burnt egret
Yes it does! It’s been seared into your brain! That means it worked!
lament dawn
and for validation from strangers on the internet
you remain incomprehensible
hey is this idea possible to justfiy
zenith star
you people are incomprehensible why are we making these extremely high effort ho...
It's like Sims goals.
I have a little bubble that says "Retrograde discord users pissed off by the Solomon (37/45)"
ionic sundial
I have played 3 oneshots of lancer
lament dawn
I have played 3 oneshots of lancer
see you're a normal comp/con warrior
crisp moss
hey is this idea possible to justfiy
no, also youd fall the bottom of the planet so uh
bad idea
lament dawn
no, also youd fall the bottom of the planet so uh
no, incorrect, add more words
crisp moss
hollow earth
zenith star
no, also youd fall the bottom of the planet so uh
should give it immunity to voluntary movement
crisp moss
no, incorrect, add more words
plethora?
crisp moss
im gonna kill myself and then you
lament dawn
unless you want to fall to the center of the earth in which case go for it and die
lament dawn
im gonna kill myself and then you
i've already justified the idea in my head and I am the chad creative mind and you are the chudjak
zenith star
Im just saying he fuckin has em
I do have them, but they are a minority of the guide and I have made what I think is a good attempt dealing with edge cases but still condensing rules text down whilst making sure to keep clarity because I won't be there for a random user to DM me at 3 in the morning asking if the Stumpp or the Hund is the top.
crisp moss
(i melt into lancer goo)
crisp moss
i love seeing peoples mechs that are a fucking novel and then my frame is like, 4 sentences
and i get people telling me its busted
crisp moss
crisp moss
your mourning cloak alt is busted btw
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
crisp moss
your mourning cloak alt is busted btw
THEY GET A HULL SAVE
lament dawn
k
lament dawn
minor spelling error
zenith star
Send the link to your lcp Bela, I need to start ingratiating into other spaces for good will and friendship.
crisp moss
ionic sundial
and i get people telling me its busted
I once saw a meme that was a dude looking at a TCG card for Verilord the Throngler, With 1000 Words of Effect Text, and going "heh, mid tier at best" and then the same guy looking at Some Random Squirrel and shitting his pants in terror.
It do be like that
lament dawn
genuinely trying to find a mech that isnt wordy from my LCP and, uh this is kinda the best I got
crisp moss
genuinely trying to find a mech that isnt wordy from my LCP and, uh this is kind...
thats pretty normal
lament dawn
it's not bad
crisp moss
I once saw a meme that was a dude looking at a TCG card for Verilord the Throngl...
real mtg shit
lament dawn
but it's not as small as urs
crisp moss
I HAVE WORDY SYSTEMS
crisp moss
NOOOOOOOOO
zenith star
I got non-wordy mechs, I actually have a lot of them dangit.
crisp moss
fitz has a lot of flavor text if that counts
zenith star
SWMG Steve, whose average mech is composed of thunder words from Finnigans Wake is an outlier and shouldn't be counted
zenith star
Hey. The Seimei isnt wordy...
ionic sundial
My longest system/power/trait is probably the core passive for one of my HORUS mechs
lament dawn
waas this the yeti?
zenith star
I gotta go find my wordiest system.
ionic sundial
it was the ithaqua so somewhere in the ballpark
crisp moss
i literally think that mask of many faces is the longest text i have that isnt compendium
maybe Zwarte Hoop
crisp moss
do traits count?
ionic sundial
Usually when I have something get too long I make part of its function a new equipment tag
zenith star
Its probably the Hermes is the wordiest system.
lament dawn
do traits count?
hardly it's basically for book keeping purposes
zenith star
I am actually proud I thought I would have way more wordy stuff but again, Ive made a big effort to condense rules to simple and clean versions.
lament dawn
this system is kinda bad ngl but I think it is my least wordy
crisp moss
shortest for me i think
two sentence mod, all it does
unless you count this
which is zero sentences
zenith star
Boom. Least wordy one.
zenith star
I think it's fine.
I include reliable damage as also the "cannot roll under this"
Cause that is a part of the keyword.
lament dawn
but that doesnt mean the weapon always does AP reliable damage
because it says roll
not deal
you can roll a 500 but if I have armor 500, it's 0
zenith star
You are going to make me make it wordy you meanie.
lament dawn
so you're rolling a 1d6 with reliable 4, you roll a 5, you just do 5 non-ap damage
crisp moss
doesnt count cuz it's insanely weak lol
about the reliable or blink bolt
lament dawn
also a portion of an attack's damage being AP is gross
lament dawn
about the reliable or blink bolt
reliable
lament dawn
also a *portion* of an attack's damage being AP is gross
lol it's npt that bad
but it's a bit weird
zenith star
also a *portion* of an attack's damage being AP is gross
I guess I would just reword it to "Your weapons with Reliable cannot have their damage reduced below their reliable stat on hit or miss."
lament dawn
that would be rather strong
zenith star
But it loses its verbal punch.
lament dawn
I think that is a good mod then
zenith star
This is just a system.
zenith star
Its just "you carry a lot more additional ammo so you can spray and pray harder and therefore get more lucky hits"
lament dawn
I can in fact call ur stuff strange
because it does not imply that mine is not
lol
zenith star
I honestly believe a ton of my stuff is above board. Even SW//MGs
lament dawn
also you havent even read my LCP
you read a trait on the zeilinger pal
okay I've read ALL of your release LCP
ALL OF IT
same with sixth voice
crisp moss
still peak
lament dawn
only mech I genuinely had an idea for how to draw it but I gave up cuz my buddy told me to do that and it was better than anything I would draw
lament dawn
(also genuine reccomendation this chart is insanely useful, I made sure that my base stat averages were within these ranges)
zenith star
I was just joking about the zeilanger because I knew you had the meme ready
lament dawn
lol ok fair enough
zenith star
(also genuine reccomendation this chart is insanely useful, I made sure that my ...
Well I dont see SO-S or SWMG on there so skys the limit
lament dawn
(also genuine reccomendation this chart is insanely useful, I made sure that my ...
my mechs are pretty trait/passive heavy, so I ensured they were lower than averages usually
lament dawn
Well I dont see SO-S or SWMG on there so skys the limit
lol true, armor 1 billion
zenith star
my mechs are pretty trait/passive heavy, so I ensured they were lower than avera...
I almost had a bit of the opposite idea. The Stumpp/Hund in particular is arguably overstatted purely because it semi melts your brain to make a build for it
Now its still balanced around its limitations and brain melt, but it certainly is strong.
lament dawn
they were quite statted lol
zenith star
I have nerfed them in the meantime if you havent looked at it in a bit
lament dawn
I check up every so often, I saw
zenith star
Particularly the Hund is down to 2 speed to really make it the "heavy" option
Plus there is the issue of transforming in melee into the far squishier stumpp so you gotta risk it a bit when going for the gashes
lament dawn
yeah I do think that mech is rather well balanced for the nature of how strong the concept is
lots of the stuff in the LCP has been made much more reasonable
though the solomon and seimei remains upsetting
zenith star
though the solomon and seimei remains upsetting
I made it so the solomon has to recharge heavy+ weapons to fire them at all.
So it will be forced to take more heat on average unless you have a good gamer chair.
zenith star
though the solomon and seimei remains upsetting
and the seimei is holding me at gunpoint to not remove it
its a strong argument
lament dawn
I made it so the solomon has to recharge heavy+ weapons to fire them at all.
solomon is genuinely mathematically balanced
I just think it's deranged
but math works out
zenith star
Oh yes.
it is a pure question of "does it deal more than average strikers? Its broken. If not. Its fine."
But it is purpose built to slightly disgust anybody with normal sensibilities
zenith star
I hope someday I get an angry @ about how busted it is like a year or two from now and I will know in my heart that is a poor GM whos player rolled godly that day.
While sad that to balance that there will be a player who never recharges their TCB
for a whole campaign.
zenith star
The only reason I removed the clause about starting uncharged is that I had one or two tests that had all 10 weapons start uncharged and it was a horrid feeling I wished on no one.
crisp moss
I mean yeah theoretical max is in the stratosphere
literally infinite! base game included!
zenith star
It simply barraged when it skirmished and had 6 heavy mounts.
This was 3 years ago.
I was young, foolish, and unable to drink alcohol.
I mean I still cant but thats for the taste issue.
The 6 mounts, SP weapons, Recharge, and Stupid stats were always there they just had to keep being jostled until settling into a "balance"
plucky prism
Another 5 attacks into archer ship.
zenith star
Another 9 invades to the white witch
steep terrace
I was young, foolish, and unable to drink alcohol.
a visusal rep of Logez (I say with love)
steep terrace
What can I say, I like to make a big first impression
But so far loving your work by the way
Please don't shoot me
zenith star
Can't, hands are too brittle typing a novellas worth of feedback in another thread.
steep terrace
Yknow what, fair
In case you ever feel the need. (I want to pilot a nightengale so i should be able to fix it up)
That and maybe a Baba
(which is a fuckin treat )
zenith star
Its nice to hear somebody mention some of the non-problem children talking in here.
lament dawn
Can't, hands are too brittle typing a novellas worth of feedback in another thre...
oh god who is getting this wall
oh sixth voice
lmao holy shit
zenith star
I have a tendency to either be bluntly curt or agonizingly salubrious. No in between.
lament dawn
I aint reading allat
burnt egret
I am
zenith star
Okay I am finished now Vulc do that for me.
zenith star
Going to be expediting the guides 0.8 version before the mass March Exodus so expect that within 3 weeks hopefully.
zenith star
I have secured some Lancer PDF templating tools. This bad boy will be standardized and sleek.
I have no clue why I am so excited about this.
Also, I’m expediting it so that I can be sure to have some sort of announcement happen in here before the mass discord exodus early March if they go through with all the bullshit ID stuff they want to do. So I may go silent afterwards in here, but the project will continue to be worked on and updated through the itchio page, my bsky, and on the Lancer subreddit when the full guide is done, though I’m obviously not going to update on reddit nearly as often.
zenith star
Also, over 220 downloads at this point for the 1.0 lcp! Thank you for your support everybody!
past mural
zenith star
Line art and test title for the cover have been finished.
dim zodiac