Al's Talent rework

[dire umbra]

Still kinda want a talent to just get you in there quicker, but with the rebakes at least it's not so bad (agi is a real stat)

[haughty dust]

I'm still pondering what I'd do for it

Part of me wants to hurry up and add "dlc" talents to the scope

But I already am juggling a lot of plates with uncertainty

Level 2 I remember seeing Valk mention an idea he had for it which I would shamelessly be inspired by

With it being a compressed boost + skirmish where you MUST move a straight line to adjacency

Level 1 I have 2 ideas for, one being a "Pankratons mark" which is a protocol mark against anyone in LOS that lasts until start of your next turn, if that target is slowed or immob gain melee accuracy against them

The other idea is to keep it the same as core, make it only apply to main weapons and make Pankrati into "Deulist: Pankrati"

Then level 3 I will scrap because no one takes 3, it isn't a support talent therefore it shouldn't moonlight as one

Another floating idea is "Brawler: Pankrati" but idk if that's a good idea even if funny

[main cliff]

Any particular idea on the time, and any particular talents you'd like playtest on?

[haughty dust]

Oopps I forgot about time

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XgBxz27Kcpt6u_-LRsstCIY1QdFfPsP9UIAM-4p7yW4/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=115018934558363567990

Talents that need testing can be checked here

SgS Concussive is getting reworked before next update so pprobably don't test that unless you like it and really wanna give it a shot to pprove it shouldn't be reworked

[haughty dust]

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Here's better times and a new poll

@dire umbra @normal dirge @torpid fern

[normal dirge]

devastated as I can't legally react with Rock

[haughty dust]

If I get 4 for both days I might be stupid and just do both

[haughty dust]

Cheeky insight

The next update will NOT be a google doc :>

[low bone]

Hmmm would be sick to join the playtest... I could potentially on sunday... (I'm so goddamn behind on schoolwork I really shouldn't)

I have a feeling infiltrator 3 + superheavy + flicker field projector would be insane

Be untargetable by direct effects -> shoot superheavy, ambush debuffs -> move, activate flicker field, hide wherever, repeat

[haughty dust]

Prioritise your life over playtests

But this won't be the only one, there'll probably be one next week

Also I had a dumb scope creep idea

Bonded: lone wolf
Level 1:
If you're further than range 8 or out of LOS of all your allies gain accuracy on skill checks (and saves, same as bonded 1)

Level 2:
If you're alone and brace, you may perform a standard move on your next turn

Level 3:
Whilst alone, you count as 2 characters for the sake of contesting objectives

[low bone]

Other than lock on and like uhh hunter lock, what such actions are there?

[haughty dust]

Good question

It's potentially on the chopping block

[low bone]

Yeah, free lock on is nice but it's not exactly the "bonus action economy" the explanation talks about

[main cliff]

this is a really good idea actually - mutally exclusive thematically parralel but opposite talents

[main cliff]

Oh just to double check, LL6? Also v0.8.0 is latest to test?

[main cliff]

Question re Laws of Motion 3; could you fire Sharinga missiles, target both yourself and an enemy, then rocket off a total of 8 spaces through a combination of the self knockback from attacking an enemy and the knockback on self from hitting the self?

[haughty dust]

Yes, if not 8 v0.9.0 but I doubt it'll be out by then

[low bone]

Executioner, if you hit guy 1 with the first cleaving attack and miss guy 2, can you target guy 1 again with no escape?

[haughty dust]

Yes

This was not the case previously but it has since been changed

[low bone]

Fair enough. I do really like Cleaving strikes 1 and 3. 2 feels... when is this ever going to be impactful? Unless your weapon is threat 3+ which is very rare for heavy, when are you reaching more than 2 enemies? It can ofc do some damage to objects but having to do that 4 times to destroy the average piece of terrain is ouch

I suppose if the gm gruntspams there just might be 3 enemies close to each other once during the campaign lol

[haughty dust]

Thunderous blasts only apply to one attack, so if you target multiple people with an AOE only one suffers from the knockback. When you target yourself with Sharanga missiles you can only target one of the targets with the knockback, if you target yourself you MUST apply thunderous blasts otherwise it is impossible to target yourself. So when you make the two attacks with Sharanga and target yourself the other target cannot be blasted

[haughty dust]

Frequently enough that I think it is useful, threat 2 covers a large ground especially on size 2+ frames

And ultimately it depends on positioning, map, objective and enemy density

It can be very useful on a holdout or gauntlet

[low bone]

Tbf it's better that a heavy/superheavy weapon talent is pretty situational than a bit too good

Our differing opinions might also chalk up to different gm'ing styles

[haughty dust]

Level 2 would have been INCREDIBLY useful last playtest I ran

Where it was still the CRB level 2

[low bone]

Is there any invade other than Puppet system that an ally wants to get hit by?

[haughty dust]

Swap positions one, vanish from the map one, explode into an area of dangerous terrain

Idk, that's for the build crafters to figure out

Want thoughts:

Tactician 3:

1/round when you hit a character from height advantage, you may apply lock on

OR

Cover provided from height advantage is sufficient to hide in

[low bone]

Oh right metafold carver is an invade suite, I forgot

Comp/con is weird rn atleast on phone. Since the update it for example hasn't shown if a system is an invade or not

Still mostly just puppet systems: The talent which damn, Hor-os did not need more going for it😭

Allowing you to boost two allies with a quick action

Though that does take 3 talent ranks so probably not op, just feels a bit special treatment cuz it's the only one that doesn't feel too situational

[haughty dust]

Needs playtesting

[low bone]

I suppose a hacktuga could use fold space to briefly make two allies it's protecting even more protected

[low bone]

I'm guessing it should say the bunker buster die resets to 1 when you rest or perform a full repair

[haughty dust]

Yeah

Lmao

[low bone]

Also am I reading Concussive 1 right where prone enemies are immune to your cannon shots except the soft cover effect thingy?

[haughty dust]

Concussive is due a rework

Ignore it

[low bone]

Ok👍

Any other I should ignore?

[haughty dust]

Just concussive

[low bone]

Nooo barbarossa doesn't have a flex mount it can't double self vijaya to move 8 spaces😔

Wait no thundurous blast is 1/round anyway don't mind me

[dire umbra]

That second option and you get a free hide when you kill someone (same trigger as current version) sounds baller. Maybe a bit strong but I wanna see it tested first because I like it that much

Might want to shuffle the rank names then, but hey that's not really a pressing matter.

[haughty dust]

(Nothings changed)

[low bone]

Hunter pounce - is the threat limitation just future proofing, considering there are no 2+ threat aux melees rn? Overall feels a bit weird that a pounce is in practise only threat 1

[haughty dust]

Yes

Eh honestly it could potentially be "range 3 and it is possible to pounce them" then that increases to range 4 next level

[low bone]

Possible

Atleast thematically it does feel a little weird that the pounce is longer than the lunge, personally I'd make it range 2 turning 3 with next level to keep them consistent. Ofc what actually matters is balance but going from one range to 3 feels more like a reasonable step than to 4 anyway lol

Ig just playtest either with range 3 or 4 and choose which one based on the result

[haughty dust]

A hostile character begins to move within Range of your lunge and Threat of one of your Auxiliary melee weapons.

To

A Hostile character begins to move within Range 3

Then at level 3

The distance of your Lunge is increased to 3 and your Pounce reaction to range 4

Functionally nothing changes

Unless there's an aux weapon with a threat greater than 1

WHICH, does actually exist

WIth the IPS-N Core bonus OR Enkidu

[low bone]

Oh I thought you meant it didn't care about threat anymore

[low bone]

Oh yeah or just external batteries or toku

[low bone]

Wait I just realised I misread Pounce and it's even weaker than I thought. I thought it was an extra mini overwatch per round (nice) that may make you move in very rare circumstances. But it's even worse than that, it blows through your overwatch aswell

If you are within range 1 which for 95% of aux melees you are, you can just overwatch normally with a stronger weapon

[haughty dust]

Reminder for this if there's any interest

[haughty dust]

Have only just got to the mutually exclusive talents and it takes up half the page

I think I prefer it looking like this

So I'm making the formatting of this book myself, it's HEAVILY Inspired by the default lancer style but I have made it up from scratch by myself with inspiration from but not using Valks Lancer template

But by god... Lancer style rocks in green NGL

[visual rivet]

sick

[haughty dust]

If you have an assault rifle and start using Counterfire from crack shot stormtrooper against someone, then take a system trauma and lose the rifle. You remain suppressing them

This is a bug

It takes too many words to fix it

I think the same thing happens with heavy gunner RAW

[low bone]

Did I misunderstand again or is pounce actually currently worthless?

[lament pier]

So, if I get this correctly Hacker OS 3 can only be applied to one player character at a time or can it 'bounce' as it is giving an Executable?

Also with OS, there seems to be only a few options where are good at all.
Logic Bomb, HORUS 1, FOLD SPACE. That's it

Oh and Summon I gues

But there isn't much fun to have there.

[low bone]

yeah I don't hate one talent rank boosting this but a whole talent tree, thats a lot of points for something very niche

[lament pier]

It could be potentally cool if QUICK TECHs that can target a token be also affected by OS.

[low bone]

very good still with puppet system and the right party comp to boost two allies for a quick but making a talent good with one license feature and niche with a few others is a bit odd

[lament pier]

This could result in a Metahook overlapping with everyone

[lament pier]

But also it's on their turn so you could just have moved them before hand

Celestal Shackles could also be funny

[low bone]

yeah but with tier 3 you can apply it on 2 characters for a quick

[lament pier]

A wrap grenade can do better...

But that is 3 talent points for a quick action effiecny

[low bone]

Yup

[lament pier]

Wait, can it bounce?

Level 3 - Mirrored Repository
When you give an allied character an Executable you may also give the same Executable
to another allied character within range 3 and line of sight of the targeted ally.
Additionally, when an ally expends an Executable any other allies within range 3 of them
and line of sight may expend their Executable as a reaction.

It technically can bounce an infinite number of times

[low bone]

oop, boost your entire party for a quick at the start of each combat

[lament pier]

This has precedent, Drone Commander 3 and Pankriati 3

It's just the options feel limited

[low bone]

ah I forgot pankrati can bring your friends with you

[dire umbra]

I mean no

Like, neither of those two actually have the same wording

You're technically right that current wording could be misread to chain, but that's not the intent

[dire umbra]

Also getting an overwatch is better than never actually getting one off, so "worthless" just seems like you're being mean on purpose

I'll admit I have my doubts about that talent, but I wouldn't go that far

[low bone]

You can just... overwatch normally...

like if this thing uses your overwatch

can only be done with aux melees

[dire umbra]

Not if they're more than one space away no

And then what do you do ? Not get to overwatch.

[low bone]

can only be done within threat (all aux melees are threat 1 unless you're an enkidu)

yes you can boost threat with exbats, being a toku or gyges frame but then you boost all melee weapons threat

[low bone]

so rn this is a way to use your overwatch for an aux melee with maybe a tiny bit of movement in these fringe usecases

[dire umbra]

Well no the whole point is you get to lunge did you read the rank ?

Like that's kind of the whole point

[low bone]

you lunge against a character within threat of an aux weapon

[dire umbra]

Also you still get a full skirmish out of it if you have a flex or an aux/aux

[dire umbra]

No

[low bone]

yes

[dire umbra]

Sure the wording is kinda strained (that's probably why Al was looking to reword the thing) but very much no actually

[dire umbra]

Okay, and did you read the rest of the reaction ?

Like it's very very obvious what this is supposed to do if you approach it in good faith

[low bone]

"ignoring the once per round limit" (if grammatically correct atleast that's referring to the previous part of the sentence, once per round limit of your lunge)

[dire umbra]

I'll agree that current wording really needs some work after looking at it again though yeah, you're right on that

[haughty dust]

It's lunge and threat range

So if someone moves 4 tiles away at level 3 you leap at them

[lament pier]

Then change it to once per round.

[haughty dust]

It's been added to the bug tracker

[low bone]

Wouldn't that be and/or? This reads as they have to be in both lunge and threat range

[haughty dust]

I'll make a note to make it more clearer

Intent is, if a character moves within range (threat + lunge) trigger reaction

[low bone]

Ohhh threat plus lunge even

[haughty dust]

This is what happens when a programmer tries to write game rules in English

simply making it range 3 at level 2 and range 4 at level 3 would clarify it but would remove potency of exbats or enkidu

But would REALLY clear up the wording

[low bone]

I think just saying lunge range plus the weapon threat would be clear enough

The "and" clause instead of that is what's tripping me up

[haughty dust]

Is this too wordy?

Trigger: A hostile character begins to move within Range of your Lunge plus the Threat of one of your Auxiliary melee weapons

[low bone]

sounds good to me👍

[dire umbra]

Yeah that works

Only other idea I'd have is something weird like "if lunging would allow you to OW someone you may do so" or whatever but what you just said is way better so yeah

[low bone]

I would find it hella interesting if instead of being 100% lunge to gap to enemies to deal damage, this talent had something of a control aspect aswell. The idea being making the pounce only allow you to attack with the triggering aux instead of both on a mount but not cost your overwatch

So you bridge the gap and can then punish the opponent for trying to escape

Does feel pretty hunter-y

Ofc it would be pretty strong being able to lock down a larger range to jump over to anyone and be able to melee overwatch, so the lunge distance would need to be nerfed

Maybe you can't overwatch with heavies after lunging

I recognise this likely isn't quite your vision for the talent so you can treat this more as my note to self of an idea of a twist to try out when I test this rework thingy for myself

[haughty dust]

If something does an overwatch like effect, or overwatch. It does overwatch

Primarily one of the main reasons of the talent rework is if I stack abilities how many of them can I stack and do at once

Which is why making talents is so wonky because you need to account for all the existing ones

If this doesn't do overwatch, why can't Stormtrooper, why can't exemplar, etc

Compounding more reactions will grant you more things you can do, when in truth what I want from a talent is increased power not by strictly "line go up" but via options, you CAN have more power IF you do this thing but ONLY if you do this thing

THis works differently, where it turns Overwatch into varied tool

You MAY trigger overwatch with your sword if that guy close moves OR you may jump and engage that distant target to get them stuck in, but NOT both

Does it suck that you can't do both? Maybe... But atleast you have the choice to do both under your tool belt

[low bone]

Yeah that's fair

[haughty dust]

It's why Stormtrooper is cool, because who the fuck is gonnna overwatch with a rifle

If you catch me

Just sharing my design processes throughout the dev process 😅

Cool ideas are still welcome and worth discussion

[low bone]

Ohh just read the CRB to control this and realised that you don't need to move into someone to lose movement from engaged you just have to become engaged in any way

So this does still have a controller aspect by locking down a large area where anyone attempting to move away can be stopped by your lunge

Hell yeah

[dire umbra]

Close enough. Welcome back skirmisher shuffle.

(love that btw, makes this into an actually really solid rank 2.)

[haughty dust]

I love how people were like "this feels bad" then I just clarified how the ability works and people did a total 180 lmao

[haughty dust]

Got 3 for Sunday later time, can run a 3 person party but will prefer 1 more. Will make a thread for it tomo

[hollow fjord]

okay I've got a question cause me and my friends had a very long draw out argument about the gunslinger talent (both the original and the rework). Is the intention of I kill with my heart that you an activate it on your sixth fired shot (assuming all the previous ones hit) or after your sixth fired shot?

[low bone]

Second part of it wasn't even your lack of explanation it was just my lack of rules knowledge lmao

[normal dirge]

will I try ask around if I can get anyone else in?

[haughty dust]

RAW, idk

Rework: "When you attack when it is at 1"

Actually I'm wrong...

It isn't "when you attack"

It's "when attack"

Because I'm illiterate apparently

Into the bug tracker

But yes it should be on the 6th consecutive hit

[dire umbra]

Hey, I'm very firmly still on the same stance regarding the talent as a whole !

Being here from the beginning does help to gauge intent though

I did fully miss the skirmisher shuffle aspect though yeah

[low bone]

Yeah I promise I wasn't picking at straws to be rude I initally thought it was a thing beside your overwatch and it did not occur to me to combine the lunge and threat ranges

[dire umbra]

You're good. I'll admit I was getting very tilted, but that's on me for doing anything past midnight.

[haughty dust]

You were getting tilted?

[nimble mantle]

well, to get it tick down to 1 you need to hit first, then, you can tick it back to 6 to give your next attack the bonus of IKWMH so the latter i think

[haughty dust]

RAW You can order simultaneous effects in any order you want

You gain a GUNSLINGER DIE, 1d6 starting at 6. Each
time you hit with an AUXILIARY ranged weapon, reduce
the value of the GUNSLINGER DIE by 1. When the
GUNSLINGER DIE reaches 1, you may reset it to 6 to
give +2d6 bonus damage on hit and AP to your next
attack with an AUXILIARY ranged weapon. This attack
also ignores cover. The value of your GUNSLINGER DIE
persists between scenes but resets to 6 when you
rest or perform a FULL REPAIR.

CRB GUnsligner I triggers on hit

Actually no it applies to your next attack

So it becomes

Attack 1: 6 -> Hit -> 5
Attack 2: 5-> hit -> 4
...
Attack 5: -> hit -> 1. 
Reset die to 6
Attack 6: 6 -> Hit +2d6 Bonus damage -> 5

I have changed it to

Attack 1: 6 -> Hit -> 5
Attack 2: 5-> hit -> 4
...
Attack 5: 2 -> Hit -> 1. 
Attack 6: 1 -> Hit +2d6 bonus damage -> 6

Or more importantly

Attack 1: 6 -> Hit -> 5
Attack 2: 5-> hit -> 4
...
Attack 5: 2 -> Hit -> 1. 
Attack 6: 1 -> Miss -> 1
Attack 7: 1 -> Miss -> 1
Attack 8: 1 -> Miss -> 1
Attack 9: 1 -> Hit +2d6 bonus damage -> 6

[dire umbra]

I was in the process of writing a message saying I was tapping out and leaving it to you when you showed up.

[dire umbra]

oh and on this topic I really enjoyed CRB version because it allowed you, past the first cylcle, to always cycle into an IKWMH in one barrage+integrated.
But guess what. You gave us one more attack anyways, so you can still do that.

so no complaints from me

[haughty dust]

Yeah, I delayed it but added an extra attack

I also removed the ignore cover at the cost that it now works on offhand attacks and and only applies on hit

It probably sucks to tick back to 6 then just whiff it

[dire umbra]

can confirm

made my whole favorite build around always having +2 accuracy to never know that pain

and the offhand compatibility is just such QoL

[low bone]

Heavy gunner decimation feels kinda at odds with your goals of making talents more of a consious effort than a flat bonus

Like yes you have to hit someone twice to get the effects

But especially with the third level that is barely a commitment

You're usually gonna be using your heavy gun every turn anyway and giving what is essentially bonus damage for shooting someone you've shot before is very free

[haughty dust]

Decimation was changed last update

It used to require a QA to get the effects but no one had any positive feedback and no one took it

It's been reworked to be something along the lines of consistent artillery focus fire

But I am keeping an eye on it

[low bone]

Maybe the attack that delivers the free action mark deals half damage? So you can use the talent without giving up action economy but it's gonna hurt your dpt enough that the quick is worth considering

[haughty dust]

I started thinking of the hunter from XCOM 2 WOTC

And then had an idea

Then realised I had just remade the original SgS: Concussive

[haughty dust]

Made a thread for playtest this sunday at <t:1778436000:F> #1502285757396684881 , currently at 3/4 players

[dire umbra]

I hate that I can't make it, but I really can't

[haughty dust]

It's cool

I'm probs gonna run another one next week 😛

I have a 2 week window of doing nothing that I want to abuse

[nimble mantle]

it'd be my honor to be able to join the game that day

[dire umbra]

pushing this back up because you talked about it in the thread and I don't want to pollute the chat too much. you know. Since I'm not in that game.

I really like the general idea you proposed, if not this exact execution

[haughty dust]

I think I wanna move away from "on structure gain bonus"

An extra overwatch con potentially

Also thinking of decimation

What if I moved concussives either reverse ordnance or called shots to decimation, then gave it the benefits of current decimation

Then reworked level 3 and reworked concussive

[nimble mantle]

is lcp typo feedback of use to you right now?

[haughty dust]

Yes

[nimble mantle]

aye, i found one with vanguard spearhead

[haughty dust]

Mmmm

Fascinating

Today I will skirmish with my Superheavy

[nimble mantle]

truly a dd288 enjoyer

[haughty dust]

My CQB DD288

[dire umbra]

this is Leviathan slander smh my head

[haughty dust]

Siege specialist: Concussive

Rank 1

1/round when you attack with a cannon, you may release a concussive shock in a burst 2 area before the attack is made. All characters caught within the concussive shock must make an engineering save or become impaired and treat all characters as being in soft cover until the end of their next turn.

Rank 2

Your concussive shocks also push characters 1 space directly away from you and knock them prone on a failed save

Rank 3

If at least one hostile character is caught in your concussive shock, you may apply the additional effects on hit with your cannon attack during the same attack:

• If the character was in the concussive shock: They cannot take reactions or provoke engagement until the end of their next turn
• If the character was not in your concussive shock: they must make an engineering save or suffer the same effects as if they were caught in the burst

[dire umbra]

ooo

spicy

certainly interesting at least, more than the previous one

[haughty dust]

Heavy gunner - Called shot

Rank 1

When you attack using a heavy or a superheavy ranged weapon you may instead declare the attack to be a called shot, you remain called until the start of your next turn, until you voluntarily move, until you perform a reaction, make an attack or become stunned.

When you start your next turn with a called shot, you may attack using the selected weapon as a protocol. If you do so, you may roll the damage twice and choose either result If the target is in Line of sight and outside of range 5 (If any effects would generate off of damage rolled such as overkill, only resolve the selected damage roll)

If you attack with a called shot, you cannot make an attack with the same weapon for the rest of the turn, but you may use it for additional called shots.

rank 2

Your called shots cannot be forced to miss, redirected or rerolled by hostile sources and ignore invisible if the target is in line of sight and outside of range 5.

rank 3

When you declare an attack to be a called shot you may also mark a hostile character within LOS to be your called quarry until the end of your next turn. If they are in your line of sight and outside of range 5, your called shot against them counts as a guaranteed critical hit on hit and ignores hidden.

[haughty dust]

Yeah, previously I was like "yeah so what if it had about the AOE aspect" but I kinda was slapping "what if you did a niche thing with a big punishment" that was not interesting anyone so I took a step back and looked at the other rank of siege specialist and was like "ok I should build around that instead"

Then it made me realise, concussives downsides fits better for decimation, which is unfortunately being renamed to called shots

[dire umbra]

your rank 3 duration is kinda wonky; if you read it in the strictest way possible it never works because your mark wears off before you get to actually shooting your called shot

[nimble mantle]

for this part of called shot until you perform a reaction make an attack do you mean a reaction to make an attack or perform a reaction or make an attack

do i understand correctly that it's similar to prepare but costing a protocol instead of a reaction?

[haughty dust]

It's basically a prepared action

[nimble mantle]

got it

[dire umbra]

I don't know if prepared action downsides aren't a bit too much though

I guess that's for testing to figure out

[low bone]

this looks so much better

[low bone]

this looks... first rank looks very strong and is just a flat bonus so goes against your principle

[haughty dust]

It still encourages a specific playstyle

[haughty dust]

Fixed

[haughty dust]

"fixed"

[haughty dust]

Like, I get what you mean. I don't encourage it too much but my talents do just provide straight upsides in some scenarios but I try to limit how applicable they are. Like stormtrooper is just a buff but encourages flanking, this is a buff that punishes close range enemies

Also tweaked HG, so you it only gains benefits against targets in LOS and outside of range 5 BUT can target people out of LOS and within range 5 for no added benefit

[dire umbra]

Ignoring hidden is fun, but if they're already hidden before you call the shot you can't mark them, because that would require targeting them too.

[haughty dust]

Correct, so if they plan on hiding they can get fucked

[dire umbra]

it disables hiding as a countermeasure for the mark yeah

I'm worried it might still not do that much, but it's something.

Not even sure if I like this better than the previous version yet, but that's what tests are for

[dire umbra]

Concussive is straight ballin though

gimme that on a Leviathan and I'm happy

[haughty dust]

The costs always felt too ok for the marks. So changing it off mark also just felt off and I think I prefer this as a cost

[haughty dust]

"Get the fuck away from me"

Also like, it's still a guaranteed crit on hit AND if they are initially hidden or do run away you do still attack as a protocol

It's like "Everyone get the fuck out of my line of sight, especially you"

[dire umbra]

that's the big one

for all the ranks

I wasn't talking about 3 specifically here

[haughty dust]

Oh fair

[dire umbra]

It's just... You're always competing against just firing the weapon twice in two turns

[haughty dust]

Yeah

[dire umbra]

you can chain it, so it stops mattering as much, but if you miss the chain even once you really start to feel it

[haughty dust]

Depends on th egun too

AMR, that wasn't a problem in the first place

ordnance though...

Like, this is for the guns that you wouldn't want to use with suppression

Long range, self heat/loading weapons

[dire umbra]

and since it restricts so much what else you can do in and inbetween your turns, you can't even use it for funky off-support "I didn't attack" shenanigans

[dire umbra]

no, no, you've got it all wrong. You get in their face and start shoving people around !
Most of the long range canons are the blast ones anyways, so better suited for bunker buster. This one is for the short-range Drake brothers. (and other single-target mid range canons)

just explode in they face

[haughty dust]

"Get the fuck away from me" you say as you CHASE THEM DOWN

Kensei style

[dire umbra]

exactly

[haughty dust]

It's probably solid on an Iskander with stub cannons

[low bone]

stub cannon hihi

[dire umbra]

I mean, it's still 1/round but sure

[haughty dust]

The great equalizer

Having some weapon talents scale with mount size is cool but a ball ache

You need to account for these weapons being both used by aux's and superheavies

[low bone]

yeah never said it was optimal just the least amount of weapon you need for huge impair+dust in your eyes+knockback+whatever explosion

so silly

like one little stub cannon doing allat

[dire umbra]

slap it on a main/aux and you've got a build

[low bone]

yup

[dire umbra]

oh actually, I do have one thing for you on rank 2 : the knockback and the prone are both on a failure, correct ? feels intuitive enough but I could see myself reading it either way.

also very save-or-suck talent but that just kinda has to happen sometimes.

[haughty dust]

Yes

https://youtu.be/Lr4FSwSRuNU?si=V-mq753TlmzPu7bT&t=56

[haughty dust]

Yeah

You're ALSO shooting them with a gun

So, like...

But it may be better to raise the floor and lower the ceiling

"babe wake up, second close range gun talent just dropped"

[river ridge]

Are the flying bug guys 'Nids? I'm not a big 40K head but I haven't seen any Tyrannid models like that.

[haughty dust]

Tau

Was more the BIGASS FUCKING CANNON

[river ridge]

I was just curious

never seen those fellas before

[haughty dust]

Vespids

[dire umbra]

It is a lot of effects, 4 at max level, so maybe you could stand to split some up and make them deterministic who knows. That said I think it'd also be good to get the current version tested first, just to see how it feels at least.

[low bone]

yeah the entire tree just being "stack effects on big death cloud coming of any cannon" is a little...

like yeah og centimane is kinda that but atleast centimane 1 is replaced with 3 and 2 has somewhat of a unique trigger

even if at the end of the day it is just "hit accurately with nexus to give one bazillion effects"

[dire umbra]

Pushing this back up if only because I also like the idea of opening up OS to not be exclusive to invades

might need to change other things about the talent on top, but I'd rather that than see the whole idea of the support-focused hacker variant thrown away

I'll let you consider it as you will

[haughty dust]

I don't really want to do that

[dire umbra]

oh well

worth a shot

[spiral ore]

mom’s day cant do it

sorry

i am cooking dumplings and noodle soup rn

[lament pier]

until you perform a reaction?
Called Shot feels much worse than Decimation because of the larger amount of restrictions (No movement at all, no reactions) for a pusdo crit.

This one doesn't have the same flexiblety

[haughty dust]

The playtest has already concluded, but if you are interested there's probably gonna be one next week

[low bone]

I mean og decimation was basically just free extra damage on heavy ranged which is kinda bonkers especially with Al's goal that you're supposed to actively put in effort to get value off your talents (or atlsast that they have somewhat more specific trigger) so it makes sense to reel it back

[dire umbra]

I would hardly call a quick action "free"

Oh wait

I was thinking of the version even before that

[haughty dust]

I am DELETING Grease monkey additioal pprovisions

Because it is a FORMATTING NIGHTMARE

What IDIOT would put a REACTION inside a SYSTEM inside a TALENT

And have a talent rank which name is long enough to take up TWO LINES

[blazing swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-crying-dissolve-gif-1847107522778631906

[haughty dust]

Grease monkey has been ORBITALLY BLASTED

⬆️ ➡️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️

[low bone]

Noo not the useable grease monkey variant😭

[dire umbra]

Wait until you get to Technophile SysAdmin

[low bone]

(Slight exxageration though I do wonder who genuinely thinks "yes! I can finally spend 3 talent ranks to use a full action to clear the conditions of a slightly further away ally and give them 1-3 overshield!")

[dire umbra]

A kutuzov

People who like teamwork

Me

[low bone]

Fair

[haughty dust]

2-6

[dire umbra]

People who's friends are stunned (and more sometimes)

[haughty dust]

Also @nimble mantle Yesterday

Level 3 also works on things other than stabilize like PEBCAC

[dire umbra]

Or Kutuzov, again

[haughty dust]

I love buffing Support talents

[low bone]

Like sure once you get really late level on a support build but unless you're kutuzhov or sherman, spending 3 of your valuable talent ranks on sometimes usefull effects on stabilize feels like not the best return rate

[dire umbra]

Or lancaster stuff (especially !V! Lancaster 👀)

[low bone]

Maybe we see late LL gaming differently, in my eyes they're a liberal myth cuz tf u mean you're able of doing 9+ missions with the same party???

[dire umbra]

Your GM is babying you.
Clearly you haven't spent nearly enough time stunned and jammed and immobilized and

[low bone]

I am the gm💀

[dire umbra]

Well you're babying your players then same thing

[low bone]

And I do play with Valk's structure table rules so ig

(When you take structure you choose between system trauma or becoming dazed until the end of your next turn, dazed being brace drawback)

[dire umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-magic-lion-witch-narnia-dont-recite-gif-14879671

[low bone]

I do buff my opfors accordingly to still keep it decently difficult

Sorry idk if everyone here are there aswell

[dire umbra]

I've been inactive there for a while yeah

[haughty dust]

I would take daze much more if my buddy had Finely tuned to stabilize off my dazed

[dire umbra]

But yeah we're the same corner of PNet

[dire umbra]

(of course /j but also yes condition clear is that good. When you need it and don't have it you die, but in the same situation except you have it victory is trivial. And if you have it and don't need it, either don't use it or it's still nice.)

[low bone]

Alr

Ig my players are just really nonchalant about conditions lmao

[haughty dust]

Also like

If someone is impaired, slowed and locked on, 6 overshield is pretty tasty

[low bone]

Cuz no way one of my players would want their ally to spend their entire turn stabilizing away their condition

[haughty dust]

Well, if your player takes 3 levels into Finely tuned they probably want to do that lmao

Lancer players have very different mindsets, I've seen many DPS focused players which is a playstyle I somewhat struggle with tbh. I am VERY support oriented when makinng builds

[low bone]

Unfortunately enemy conditions except impair and lock on are rare and spread out, and lock on can very easily outmaneuver the player with finely tuned's turn

[haughty dust]

Like, FA to clear Lock on is such poor value

But it's a bonus

[low bone]

Makes sense then that u made it like that yeah

[haughty dust]

Kidd, Swallowtail (No oracles) and Tarax are my fave mechs

[low bone]

My party has no dedicated support

White witch does camus razor which is definetly defender but it is support adjacent

[haughty dust]

It's why it's quite rare for my talents to just be a strict DPS increase (Ignore Decimation Georg who is an outlier and shouldn't be counted)

[low bone]

The minotaur has hor-os 1 which can be used supportively but she's pretty much absent from the campaign

[dire umbra]

Only case it's ever worth it is CRB Scout's bullshit 5000 rifle lock-on. For the shred.

[low bone]

Pegasus has sisyphus which can be supportive but she hasn't used it

[low bone]

I mean tbf automated loader really isn't needed, talent's hella good anyway

Supply backpack is a goated rank even without it (dare I say more reasonable even)

[haughty dust]

If there's glaring issues in pplay it can easily be axed

I just made it a reaction that doesn't take up a reaction box and that seemed to work well

[low bone]

I just think additional provisions is sweet as a rest only talent

Like that's hella unique

And means you don't have to think about quite as many things during combat which is great for some people

Like not a major thing but if the system granted reaction bothers you then I 200% support you removing it lol

[haughty dust]

It was mostly formatting

But it's fine now

[dire umbra]

Was making it no longer 1/round intentional ?

[haughty dust]

Oh piss

Nope

[dire umbra]

Figured

[visual rivet]

It's fine by default reactions are 1/round unless otherwise specified. Though it doesn't hurt to specify it.

[dire umbra]

Well this is the weird strange case of "not actually technically a reaction" that lets ace 1 be any number of times per round

Rules be wack yo

[haughty dust]

It is a reaction tho

[dire umbra]

weird elite #rules-questions knowledge but "as a reaction" isn't actually a specific defined reaction as far as that rule (that is never actually used btw, funnily enough) is concerned

that only applies to those that have the separate box to their action/system and whose parent action/system says "gain the X reaction"

in general nobody cares though, since all reactions in official content have their 1/round specified for those that are

essentially while it does use the reaction resource, unless it has the purple box it's not the "object class" reaction if you see what I mean

tl;dr : no one cares.

[haughty dust]

I'm deleting additional provisions again

You did this

[dire umbra]

you have the space to just add the 1/round in there though

also I didn't do jack

blame Tom & Miguel for this

[nimble mantle]

if bolstered, dazed and blinded count as actual conditions it's gonna be so good for finely tuned

[nimble mantle]

hey it's potentially 14 overshield in the "optimal" condition incredible value if you think about it

i came to ask about sth but after scrolling up i forgot what i was trying to say

oh yeah, for bond lone wolf (in case you actually want to implement that), does "alone" mean no allies within range 8 + LOS like the rank I or would it be similar to mourning cloak trait?

[low bone]

Dazed is the only condition out of those

[low bone]

You are never getting above 6 (maybe 8 once) in practise

6 is still good but I as a gm would never spend my time condition stacking the finely tuned character or the very close by ally

[low bone]

(Not even exposed is a condition)

[low bone]

Like yeah I could fragsig, lock on and grapple/prone someone but the lock on is usually spent immediately and stacking conditions on one character instead of spreading them out is usually overkill

[low bone]

Al's talents usually build upon each other with this kinda terminology, almost certain it's range 8+LoS

[nimble mantle]

uhhh, dazed isnt a condition fyi

[low bone]

Oh huh

I always assumed it was since it's just basically "player version of stunned"

[haughty dust]

The brace downside is not a condition not status

Prototype pattern groups turns it into a condition, I play with those rules normally but not in my playtests

[dire umbra]

Lanny has speed 6, so "close by ally" is very relative. That covers basically the whole map sometimes

[haughty dust]

Al's talent rework playtest 8

Date and time: Vote when available! Most availibility will become the date!
What's going on: I'm Al, you might know me. I want to run the third playtest for my reworked talents and see how they function and if there's any glaring issues
Player count: 0/4. First comes first served any excess will go onto a waitlist, react to the message below if interested. EXPECTATIONS FROM PLAYERS: Familiarity with the Lancer RPG system and a base fundamental understanding of mech buildcraft and how the games mechanics works, and a knowledge of knowing what is up to date in the talent rework. Please don't act surprised when you notice a change from the newest LCP day of the playtest because you have an outdated lcp :P
Build restrictions: LL6, First party content only. Have 6 talent points in reworked talents, other first party talents are allowed but I will run their interactions with reworked talents as RAI not RAW. Make a build treated as if you were playing in a campaign and it's expected to play as if in a campaign as well. Content I am NOT allowing is the mimic gun and Pankrati.
House rules: will be using Kai's NPC rebakes, Maria's alternate structure and stress table and captain Morgans. We will also be playtesting some prototype pattern group NPCs and Sitreps.
Play limitations: Core power will be a roll of among the players, highest gets core. Efficient players are then given core (3 efficient and 1 not will not guarantee they get core). All overcharge will start at 1d6
LCP: The LCP is within the Google drive of the #1433168090371461241 and is very early access. Be weary with it breaking and please call out if it breaks your COMP/CON beforehand. If I update content please also be careful as I'm new to this and there's potential I mess with breaking content such as IDs. Also we'll be testing V0.9.0 which is not released yet :P

If available, react below for what times you're available. I'll prioritise people who haven't been on the last playtest:

<t:1778940000:F> - 🪨
<t:1778954400:F> - 🕴️
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Emojis are great

[visual rivet]

🕺🏼

[nimble mantle]

just yoink your shapeless star in the last playtest for an orator lich, and it was

[haughty dust]

Damn that was fast signup

[haughty dust]

Locked in for Sat

Anyone who further reacts Saturday will get put on waitlist if need be. If enough people react Sunday still I may run it again if I'm foolish and not gonna burn myself out from it

[haughty dust]

If a hostile character is applying a condition to an ally, such as grappling or an Archer’s suppression, if you destroy the hostile character clearing the allies condition, should they get overshield?

No, the intent is a direct action that clears conditions, grants overshield. It is not intended that if you clear a condition from an ally by interrupting the action that is applying the condition via destruction or other means the ally gains overshield.

Realising, technically killing a goliath that's grapppling an ally WILL clear an allies conditions

Fuck

[haughty dust]

https://lmplo.itch.io/als-lancer-talents-reworked/devlog/1521748/v090-release

THAT'S RIGHT! WE AINT IN THE GOOGLE DOC ANYMORE!

[visual rivet]

Holy shit itch io

[nimble mantle]

quick format rp: faq section duelist spearwall is repeated

[haughty dust]

Oops

[dire umbra]

They just really didn't want people to miss it

[dire umbra]

Oh, so you didn't go the Called Shot route for now ?

Interesting

[haughty dust]

Not for now

[dire umbra]

Honestly, the talent may actually be in a fairly decent place now. I'd almost be tempted to try it out, but I have my eyes on so many other talents too, it's hard to choose

Biggest problem with it is rank 2 not applying immediately for bookkeeping so I'd say that's a pretty good score.

Oop
Found one too : page 8 has the compressed actions text cut off at the bottom of the page

Found something else, so I'll just ask this instead : where should formatting stuff be reported ? Is here good or should it be in the feedback form, or something else ?

[haughty dust]

Either

[haughty dust]

Rank 1 is the same

[dire umbra]

Oh right, previous version had some words missing that made me think otherwise

Yeah ok it's definitely less enticing compared to the other talents I have my eyes on then

[dire umbra]

Alright, I found one more in the meantime : Ace 3 has a missing space between "to" and "any" at the end of the first line of text.
The Fuel Rod Gun is missing its range stat.

Also one question that isn't editing related : what does DC:flock do to drones that already have armor ? Do they increase their armor by one or does it not change their value ?

I'll finish reading through the whole thing later though, for now I need to sleep.
All I'll say until then is that the book looks good, well done !

[haughty dust]

Do any drones have armour?

[visual rivet]

Ghast drone has 2 i believe

[dire umbra]

Legion drones have one, too

[haughty dust]

😩

[lament pier]

Is there a plan for a Sunday Game at 11am or it's going to be a toss-up?

[nimble mantle]

for DC Legion rank I, do you intend for it to be any drone or drone that the pilot control only?

[dire umbra]

@lament pier

[haughty dust]

Not at the moment, see the reply water dragon posted but also 2 of the players who voted for Sunday also are playing the sat

[haughty dust]

Yours

[dire umbra]

Level one buff is the last thing I was expecting I'll be honest

Love the rank 3 though

Ambivalent on the rank 2. Want to test the talent a lot.

[low bone]

Level 2, for checks and saves with difficulty why would you ever do that😭

Make an ally roll a save with difficulty as an auto 7

[haughty dust]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It's a may for a reason

Like, if someone has a +4 eng for an eng check and 1 diff you can guarantee a success

If someone has a +2 however you can cross your fingers and pray

There's no reason to use it if you have 6 difficulty however

That's fine

I hate proof reading

Spaceborn I will leave as a future me pproblem

I'm thinking of making it an Ace variant but IDK if that's uncalled for

Orienting around flight when touching adjacent to terrain as you scrabble over and climb it

And prone clear and such

Honestly a decent number of these don't need massive reworks

Wait piss why am I going for dustgrave when KTB exists

[normal dirge]

the evil and intimidating pankrati

and hog 3

[haughty dust]

Thanks Valk for the suggestion I think I saw you say for how second level works

@subtle sapphire If you're fine with my nabbing that from your head

I'm uncertain if I want to have it as a Deulist variant or not...

[dire umbra]

Few things with this one :

• when rank 1 says "is capable of performing any actions you are capable of", the "you" refers to the pilot and not the mech correct ?
• You did not define "rodeo" in rank 2, but that actually doesn't matter as much because if it can take pilot actions it can just use Mount for basically the same effect, so you can probably get away with just letting it do that as a QA if you want.

Love rank 3 being even better than ever though

[haughty dust]

Rodeo as in defined in the pilot actionsin the CRB

But it's such a niche rule I should probs add a reference lmao

[subtle sapphire]

take it away haha

action compression good

[dire umbra]

Does not exist

[subtle sapphire]

Jockey, I think you meant

[haughty dust]

Jockey

Yes

I know the rules of the game I am modifying

[visual rivet]

I think you forgot a 1/round on the first level here

or on your turn

[haughty dust]

On your turn, good catch

[dire umbra]

I like the ideas here, I'm just a bit sour that rank 1 still steps on Brawler:HW. It's not as bad as base version at least, as long as you have multiple attacks with HW.

[dire umbra]

Also "Jockey but only allies" is exactly what Mount already is so you should probably give that a look too

[haughty dust]

Mount is get in a mech, Jockey is get on a mech

[dire umbra]

Nope

[haughty dust]

Wdym

[dire umbra]

Additionally, you can also MOUNT or DISMOUNT willing
allied mechs or vehicles. When you do so, move into
the same space and then move with them.

[haughty dust]

Page?

[dire umbra]

I don't know what page you're on but I'm checking where the actions are defined on page 71

[haughty dust]

Pilot rules innit

[dire umbra]

Yerp

[haughty dust]

I hate this

I thinnk I'm sticking with Jockey because mount is odd

[dire umbra]

More than repurposing 90% of an action meant for something else by assuming that you always choose to fail the initial mandatory check to jockey to not debuff your ally, also ignoring the fact that doing that would mean you just don't get on in the first place ?

[haughty dust]

I'm too "Breaking Valks Atlas over my knee" pilled

[dire umbra]

Because btw, if you do that the first time it jockeys on it MANDATORILY MUST choose one of the options listed under jockey. Same for !V!Atlas actually.

[haughty dust]

Lmao??!?!?

Ok fair enough

[dire umbra]

Yeah that's why I was insisting on that

[dire umbra]

Yeag. Rereading Jockey is a wild experience.

[haughty dust]

2 Energy, Gain 13 block, Forge 10

Writes House guard variant

"Your effects that require your allies to be adjacent from frame traits or systems with the shield tag now work up to range 2."

Checks Argonaut Shield

Doesn't have the shield tag

I hate this

HOW DOES NOAH NOT HAVE THE SHIELD TAG

God

I wanted to make a talent that oriented around the Shield tag and providing buffs for that

But most of the shield tag items are selfish... Like what the fuck!?!?!?

[visual rivet]

We had the same issue with our saladin grabbing wardshaper from the field guide to iridia

[haughty dust]

Less certain on this one

I also need rank names

[normal dirge]

oh fascinating. i guess i played that one wrong then

[normal dirge]

unfortunately the shield tag is basically an afterthought and exists solely for the napoleon/kutuzov 😭

[haughty dust]

It's an afterthought the for the Napoleon. The Kutozov unfortunately had to make do with what it was given

[normal dirge]

what counts as a shield? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[haughty dust]

Not an Argonaut shield

[normal dirge]

the book defines it as energy shields but then why is noah not there

[haughty dust]

(Coping)

[haughty dust]

Camus's razor

[normal dirge]

wait no shot

oh my god

[haughty dust]

Hyperdense

Actually

Emperor systems are fine because they feel like Shields and they were added afterwards

[normal dirge]

how is hyperdense allowed but NOAH isnt

[haughty dust]

So outside of Emperor and WW, Shield seems closer to "Personal shields"

NVM Flash anchor

[normal dirge]

huh

fucking wild

[haughty dust]

Narrative talent power for Prospector:

• You are really good at making tunnels

[haughty dust]

"Additionally, when you start your turn when your mech is cascading, you may give a single short instruction to your cascading NHP, it may choose to follow your instruction."

You can ask your cascading NHP to kill a guy, but it can also just choose to tell you to fuck off

[low bone]

That's true

Non-constested checks are kinda rare in combat except burn, didn't think abt that

[haughty dust]

Congrats Kai, for writing the second talent in this project that I think just works out of the box

I think Sysop sits in a similar box tbh. Sysop is already real good and I think has little flaws, I do however want to touch it up to relieve mental load for its 3 individual timers it sets

Tried tying everything to 1 timer, and that is "are you bolstered?"

[haughty dust]

(Orator and Field analyst now tick up on the same conditions)

(Also I made field analyst not care about lock ons because the swallowtail player in me yearns for it)

[haughty dust]

And that's all the DLC talents done

They'll go into V0.10.0

Shunt isn't a real word

[haughty dust]

Removing the "Ace" part of this... Just remaining sppaceborn

mmmm

Unsure

I don't think the game breaks if you have them both

[dire umbra]

I think you can try it out standalone first yeah

[dire umbra]

-# Imagine not playing on the beta branch smh

[dire umbra]

Checking, rank 2 does work with the soft cover from rank 1 ? the "it" in rank 1 could refer to either "your mech" or "the Guardian trait" so yknow. Also, the minimum 1 on the share armor part means it even works if you have no armor huh ? That's pretty neat I will say.

[dire umbra]

Still confused about what this has to do with digging, or tunnels. This is closer to an ice rink if anything (which I like, ice skating is awesome). Otherwise the effects seem good yeah, just a lot less immediately evident flavor-wise as the original version.

[dire umbra]

What's your reasoning for changing the wording of rank 1 ? Just wondering.
Also, checking that I understood how everything works correctly;
After being bolstered by a Sysop 3, you :

• eat it automatically next time you make a skill check or save for +2 acc,
• can consume it to add +1 diff to tech attacks until sont when tech attacked (including to the triggering TA),
• can consume it whenever you would take hostile heatto gain the benefit above,
• while benefitting from the debuff to TA, do the base Sysop 3 effect.

Just having all the effects last until the bolster is consumed would probably be too much yeah, but this might also be a bit of a headache too idk

No idea on how to make it simpler yet though, so I guess this is already plenty good.

[haughty dust]

Yes it works with the soft cover

[haughty dust]

Devious tunnel digger

Tunnel

Then you slap some minecart tracks down and go back and forth

[haughty dust]

Changed it to specifically quick tech so it doesn't work with Sysadmin 1

[haughty dust]

Yeah

level 2 is simpler because it's

"When tech attacked, gain bennies" OR "When make a check, gain bennies"

Level 2 becomes more odd

[haughty dust]

Regardless of if the guardian or mech is providing the soft cover I don't think it changes much

testing

wait I think my discords fucked....

Wild, it''s fixed

[dire umbra]

No, because rank 2 specifies the cover has to come from Guardian

but yeah intuitive enough

[dire umbra]

oh right. Yeah that's pretty smart.

[dire umbra]

Also if a GM hates you they could say this doesn't work because size 4 means 40hp but come on

[haughty dust]

Yeah

I don't like the "not teleportation" and "just go through the floor lmao"

[dire umbra]

Still don't get how that nets you more movement, especially since that tunnel doesn't look very underground. It's closer to flattening the area even.

To clarify, not saying the talent isn't good or that the original version is better (because it's got some nasty abuse cases even though I like the concept), just really confused about the theming

[haughty dust]

I get it

Like

If it was a 3d environment I'd like to slap it down like this

But you can't easily do that

But the current teleportation zones I think are just silly

[haughty dust]

Can you elaborate on the existing abuse cases?

[dire umbra]

why do you not like the original ? well it's that probably

[haughty dust]

Fair enough lmao

[dire umbra]

the "abuse cases" thing are about the original not yours yeah

[haughty dust]

Oh ok

[dire umbra]

yeah that I see but like. What about when you "dig" your "tunnel" in an open area/not through a wall/mountain. Then it's just flattening a few rocks, not enough for a full tunnel.

[haughty dust]

Yeah...

[dire umbra]

like I said, it makes me think of an ice rink almost in those cases. Which is rad as hell, but also not quite what you're going for

[haughty dust]

Forcing it to go through walls would also be Hella situational

[dire umbra]

yeah yeah absolutely

like I said the mechanics are solid like they are

[haughty dust]

1/scene when adjacent to a piece of terrain that is your size or larger, you may spend a quick action to perform a special boost where you can move up to twice your speed going through the terrain piece but must end the movement when you're no longer in the terrain

goblin gets cornered
"OH SHIT"
runs through wall

Wait I might be cooking

[dire umbra]

yeah see, that's much more tunneling-coded !
Also much, much more map-dependant. So.

[haughty dust]

It is

But like, I think it's decently feasible

[dire umbra]

if you manage to make it a whole-ass talent, sure, why not !

[haughty dust]

Recalling official maps from mind and it would work on a decent number of them

[dire umbra]

but you better make the current version the alt-talent and just make it a straight-up ice rink (or grease/other slippery substance whatever). Or Else™...

(the "else" is I'm just gonna do it anyways if you don't)(and you give me permission)

[haughty dust]

Rank 1

1/scene, as a quick action while adjacent to a piece of terrain you may begin tunnelling through it. If you do so, perform a special boost up to twice your speed which ends early when you no longer share any spaces with any terrain. During this boost terrain doesn't count as an obstruction.

When you conclude the boost, you create a tunnel in all spaces you moved through that occupy terrain. If a tunnel occupies a full footprint of a piece of terrain, that piece of terrain is destroyed and all tunnels within that terrain piece are removed.

Tunnels do not count as an obstruction to move into or end your turn within for characters equal to or smaller than yourself. Characters wholly within a tunnel have hard cover in all directions and line of sight can be drawn into tunnel spaces but not beyond.

Rank 2

You and allied characters that begin or end voluntary movement inside a tunnel may move an additional 2 spaces as part of the same movement 1/round.

rank 3

Creating a tunnel no longer requires you to move in straight lines and creating a tunnel becomes 1/round instead of 1/scene. However you can only create further tunnels while within an existing tunnel.

Additionally tunnels don't block your line of sight, you ignore enemy characters hard cover if they're in a tunnel and while in a tunnel all your movement ignores reactions and engagement

This is scuffed

I love jt

[dire umbra]

you might have forgotten to add a straight line requirement to rank 1

[haughty dust]

Yeah

[dire umbra]

other than that, looks interesting
Needs some wording adjustments too I think, but what talent hasn't

so, so, so very much map dependant though

[haughty dust]

what talent hasn't when I'm writing them

[dire umbra]

You'll never get no value out of it, sure, but man the variance is gonna be crazy on this

[low bone]

Oh thank god it doesn't trigger on traits, white witch fluid burst houseguard is terrorising my campaign rn😭

(Hasn't done much damage yet since I've only had one combat since they got their non gms mechs but ouch did it hurt to not be able to deal damage to anyone close to the white witch without getting crippled)

[low bone]

JK1 moment

[dire umbra]

inverse JK1 actually

it's always really solid but in some maps you just get to ascend to godhood

[low bone]

I do think it's unfortunate that transmuting spark still has that kinda scuffed requirement. NHP's are still super varying in how easy they are to get uses out of

[haughty dust]

Yeah, like... It's very similar to how it is rn because I can't think of anything better

I just put the unstable back into unstable NHP and took the AP out

[haughty dust]

It does trigger on traits?

[low bone]

Nah rank 2 specifies "when you activate a system"

Which fluid burst isn't

[haughty dust]

That's an oversight, it should be

However fluid burst just happens, it's not a QA or FA so level 2 of protector shouldn't work with it anyway

[low bone]

True, and I'm thankful for that🙏

[haughty dust]

I think it'd be fun once I've released 1.0.0 to do a "scope creep" expansion of funny other talent ideas that don't fit in

Have bonded: lone wolf, tactician: diving charge and prospector: ice rink

Because I just had another idea:

Leader: field captain

Follow my lead!

1/round, When you perform an action that targets a hostile character they become marked until the end of your next allies activation or the end of the round (whichever is shorter). The next attack that targets the marked character from an ally gains +1 Accuracy

On my mark!

If you are the first allied character to act in the round, your marks duration is reset to the end of the next allied characters turn whenever the accuracy is used.

hold your fire!

As a quick action, you may select a hostile character who may activate within Line of sight, your turn immediately ends and they must activate next

Random ideas for this one

Not going into the book however

[haughty dust]

Exemplar: Pankrati

Veni

As a protocol during your turn, you may challenge a hostile character in line of sight to glorious combat with a Pankration's mark until the end of their next turn (Or until death?). When you hit a character with the Pankration's mark with a melee attack, their next attack suffers +1 Difficulty if it does not target you. A character can only be marked this way by one character at a time.

Vidi

1/scene, while your Pankration's mark is in line of sight, you may make Valiant Charge as a quick action. You begin to charge, boosting in a straight line up to double your speed towards Your Pankration's Mark. If you end the charge adjacent to the them, you may immediately Skirmish them as part of the same action using only melee weapons.

If the boost is interrupted with involuntary movement you stop moving immediately and the action immediately ends.

Vici

While charging, you ignore difficult terrain, have +1 Accuracy on all checks and saves and have resistance to all damage. (I kinda like this but do I want to keep it?)
When you hit your Pankration's mark you may bask in your glory as the lord of mech combat, inviting all those around you to a challenge, applying Pankration's mark to all characters of your choice within burst 3

[lament pier]

Is the skirmish a free action in rank two or not?

[haughty dust]

It's not a free action, it's a skirmish as part of the same action

So it follows duplicate action restriction

[lament pier]

Fun.

[nimble mantle]

if it's aoe, the attack would need to include the pc who apply pk mark to not gain 1 dif right?

[haughty dust]

Yes

[dire umbra]

Ooh see I like this one

Quick question for the rank three; is the applying the mark in an aoe supposed to just mark them or also impose the difficulty ?

Also I think the mark could stand to be until the start of your next turn if you don't go the "forever" route.

Testing will have to determine if difficulty on only their next attack is enough but the concept I like

[haughty dust]

Yes good catch

Difficulty not mark is probs better

[haughty dust]

I don't like tactician 3

Hmmm

Tactician rank 3

Rank 3 Death from above

1/scene, you may Overwatch someone who begins movement within your range instead of threat as long as you have height advantage on them, dealing half damage and shit. On attack they get tacticians mark until the end of the scene, if a marked character is destroyed this abilities use is replenished

Rank 3 death from above

As a quick action you may perform a special skirmish action, until the start of your next turn your overwatch now triggers against characters that move within range instead of threat

Rank 3 death from above

Gain access to a Tacticians die, starting at 6. When you trigger solar backdrop (soft cover) (and/or damn good ground ( accuracy ok lower targets)) decrement the die by 1.

When you start your turn with the die on 1 you may reset the die to 6. When you do so, your next attack made this turn against a character you have height advantage on you may attack them twice as part of the same action, with the second attack dealing half damage and doing no bonus damage

I think I like the 3rd idea the best

It's very hard to make sniper talents that aren't just crack shot

[dire umbra]

Yeah, that last one looks fun

Need to figure out if/when it resets, but yeah

Runner-up is the first one for me though.

[haughty dust]

On use, rest and repair

[dire umbra]

Sure. 1/round each or no limits ?

That really makes the GM not want to shoot you between soft cover and charging up your giga attack. Not necessarily bad, just, don't bank on actually ever getting it off.

[haughty dust]

If it was 1/round it would have CRB Stormbringer problems

[dire umbra]

I meant 1/round for each trigger for two total, like the Kidd

But yeah I figured. Problem then is being a huge enough pain the GM still shoots you anyways.

[spiral ore]

are there still olaytest planned

[haughty dust]

Nay

I'm quite busy for the next couple weeks

Well atleast from me

[spiral ore]

mhm!

WERE SO BACK

HIDE SPAM IS REAL

[low bone]

Oh shit right I need to test out hidespam superheavy next playtest

[spiral ore]

epic gamer i think the pdf is missing the damage values for engineer and fuel rod gun

(Al)

[spiral ore]

it just works^TM

Demo makes grenades more poewrful and more interesting

[dire umbra]

Oh I just had such an idea. Not really something that can get into this but it's cool enough that I wanna write it down somewhere to not forget

Take the Adjutant C/C exotic from SR, and give it a new 1/scene free action but this time to do any QA granted by one of your talents instead of Active Assist. Maybe give Active Assist to the standard C/C instead.

[spiral ore]

I think this falls off hard with certain defenders with low armor