#Shadow of the Wolf Questions

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stone flax
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f: Rifle -> Rifle is a valid mapping.

willow sleet
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Hmm, I guess can I see it that way, but I think if that's the intent the wording could be a bit more clear?

There is a qualifier with "If you do". Do what? Change a weapon's type to Rifle. And it isn't exactly clear you can "change" a weapon that is already a Rifle to a Rifle, because what's changing at that point?

crystal laurel
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We have precedent. Mimic Gun on a Viceroy becomes a CQB with cc_threat 3, even though it's already a CQB.

compact trellis
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that's totally different wording, though, "you treat your X as though it is also Y"

willow sleet
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Yeah, the Viceroy trait is totally different. It's adding a type and threat to a weapon, in addition to what it already has, not replacing it.

stone flax
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Well, the mimic gun, which is a rifle, becomes a rifle that's also everything else.

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And gets overkill

willow sleet
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Has it been confirmed that the Fusiller trait applies to the Mimic gun and allows it to gain Overkill? Because the Viceroy trait doesn't have the same qualifier and isn't replacing anything, while the Tagetes' trait does, so that alone isn't really setting precedence.

Viceroy: If the weapon has the Launcher type, it is now also a CQB with Threat 3. It's not replacing anything, only adding on to what it already has. It, also, doesn't have a qualifier that the Threat 3 is ONLY gained IF the weapon gains the CQB type.

Tagetes: You may CHANGE the ranged weapon type to Rifle (this implies that it is no longer whatever weapon type it was before, and is now a Rifle). If you do this, it gains Overkill. Two major differences from the Viceroy, it's actually replacing one trait with another, and the Overkill has a qualifier where you ONLY get it IF you make that replacement.

Also, I don't know that using the Mimic Gun to set precedence is quite the right play, considering that is a case of specific trumps general since the Mimic Gun explicitly states that it counts as all ranged weapons simultaneously, so it's going to be an edge case when compared to a typical ranged weapon.

Considering I've gotten two no's and two yes's in response to the question, it could maybe be more clear. I'm guessing the intention is that existing Rifle weapons, also, gain Overkill, but could maybe be more clear with something like, "Installed ranged weapons with the type Rifle, including ones whose type you changed to Rifle, gain Overkill."

fiery plover
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that wording would make all your rifles gain overkill regardless of whether or not you modified them, which I'm not sure is the intention

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don't think it's intended for an assault rifle mounted on the tagetes to always have overkill, y'know?

willow sleet
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That's exactly my point. I'm trying to understand the intent. Because some people are saying that IS the intention. But I'm saying the current wording does not lead to that.

fiery plover
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if that was the intention (that all rifles always have overkill, forever) it wouldn't say may and if you do

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not kat, but my understanding is that you can apply the trait to any weapon you want, even if it's already a rifle. if it's not a rifle, now it is. in either case, now it has overkill

willow sleet
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Is the intent to be able to choose whether an existing Rifle gains Overkill then? Like, it could, but it doesn't have to?

fiery plover
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the wording and optional-ness of it seems to imply as much to me at least

willow sleet
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Yeah, I can see that being the intent... but I think the wording could still maybe use a bit of tweaking. But you're right that my wording above would not work if that's the intent.

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Considering this has been through a good amount of playtesting, it's maybe just me, though.

rapid crystal
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the wording to me seems pretty clear that the overkilling only happens if you decide to use this trait upon choosing your weapon for that mount
it is a little less clear about whether or not the weapon needs to already not be a rifle for this to take place, but it doesnt preclude it either

willow sleet
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I guess the first sentence could just be tweaked to: "When you install a ranged weapon on the Tagetes (or for each weapon when you perform a Full Repair), you may change its weapon type to Rifle, even if it already has that weapon type."

fiery plover
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I feel like if it were intended to not be able to give rifles overkill it would say "non-rifle ranged weapon" instead of just "ranged weapon"

rapid crystal
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indeed- the wording does not specify non-rifle

willow sleet
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yeah, that's true

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I think it's the word "change" in the first sentence that throws me off, but I don't know how to improve it

rapid crystal
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regardless of whether or not it can be used on rifles (i think it can for the record, i dont see any reason not to) it is very explicit about the trait only activating when you decide it does upon a weapon being chosen, so i dont think any rifle is automatically overkill

willow sleet
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yeah, I agree, the qualifier is pretty clear

hearty karma
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What is the mascot of the school?

neon iris
glad shoal
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horse seems reasonable, given the symbol at the top here

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neon iris
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Hello

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Just wanna clarify

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how does the first combat work?

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am i just missing the parts where they explain how the sitrep works?

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as far as i know "king of the hill" isn't a core sitrep

glad shoal
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the rules for the sitrep are everything contained within the red box on the first page of the combat

neon iris
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bwoh, i must have missed it

neon iris
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another thing

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the red block doesn't say Praya has crush targeting

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but then the description of the encounter says they do

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so which is it

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nvm got confused lol

willow sleet
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I feel like the Karrakin Cavalry College needs a motto

uneven fossil
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via ad regio periculum

onyx iris
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is it just me or do those drones carrying crates on the right look like floating blocks mario is going to jump under and break

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I can't unsee it now

vapid cape
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When you use the TLALOC Protocol on the Tagetes while activating the lock-on range bonus, is the rerolled attack still made from +5 range?

stone flax
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Still consumed lock-on as part of the attack, so I'd assume so

opaque mason
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Sending good vibes to the editing team and everyone involved!

sand bison
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a tagetes has a ghast nexus equipped and turned it into a rifle, can fireing the deployed ghast nexus count as an attack with a drone for centimane2?

stone flax
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As far as I know, only one thing might count as an attack with a drone: Assassin Drone
Ghast nexus just allows you to use the drone to determine los and range

sand bison
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the ghast nexus does have the drone tag

stone flax
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Well then, egg on my face and all

sinful perch
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Yeah, it has the drone tag because you can deploy a drone with the weapon

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Previous times I saw questions relating to the ghast, consensus was you are still the one making the attack for all intents and purposes, so RAW I'd say no unfortunately

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I'm not claiming to have absolute understanding of the matter, but still

sand bison
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i am asking here specifically because usually the ghast nexus is a nexus and the talent cares about nexus or drone and the tagetes can change the weapon from nexus to rifle.

cinder pike
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i mean, dont weapons get to count as both?

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like for the viceroy, it treats launchers as cqb, so it makes it so that talents like stormbringer and vanguard apply to your launchers

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and even systems like supermassive mod, which normally do not apply to launchers, are apply to be applied to them if you "turn off" the restriction on compcon, which others have pointed out is due to that exact same reason

sand bison
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tagetes changes the weapon into a rifle. it does not make it a rifle in addition to its normal type

cinder pike
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When you install a ranged weapon on the Tagetes (or for each weapon when you perform a Full Repair), you may change its weapon type to Rifle. If you do, it gains Overkill.```

```Near-Threat Targeting Processors
The Viceroy treats its LAUNCHER weapons as though they are also CQB weapons with THREAT 3.```
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I suppose you have a point, we might need clarification

stone flax
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The thing with ghast nexus is that it is also a drone, and since centimane says "attack with a nexus or drone" and drone, not being a weapon type, is not replaced

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It should still trigger centimane II

sinful perch
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Yes, but centimane doesn't care about the drone tag, it cares about a drone making an attack (or attacking with, like assasin).
And since the drone isn't making an attack (you are), I'd still say it doesn't work.

pearl meteor
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Most of the "ghast isn't attacking you are" questions are in regards to measuring distance or engagement. This is kind of the opposite: centimane checks if you are attacking (you are) and what you're attacking with (a drone).

vapid cape
sinful perch
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Hmph

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Still not convinced : to me, you're just attacking from a drone. The only thing you're attacking with here is a heavy nexus (in this case, a heavy rifle), at least that's how I see it.
But that's not gonna change until someone with more say over the rules gets involved, so I'll leave it here.

rare shoal
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so if it works with assassin drone, it must work with ghast nexus as well

sinful perch
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Yeah, but assasin drone isn't a weapon

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So yes, you are making an attack, with a drone

sand bison
exotic snow
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that's really just a core content question, sorry you'll have to ask Tom

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it being a rifle isn't really relevant there

sand bison
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well centimane2 cares about drones or nexus

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and since ghast nexus was always a nexus it didnt come up before

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thank you for time

exotic snow
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no worries, sorry I couldn't be more helpful

sand bison
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i dont think this is something tom has thought about before either

exotic snow
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also apologies to anyone else whose question I haven't answered recently, I'm just trying to limit my interactions with this thread per my linked reply above

exotic snow
# uneven fossil via ad regio periculum

though I will say this is canonically true (for a given level of canonicity that is "my notes doc"). unfortunately I couldn't sneak it into any art as an easter egg

floral robin
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For what it's worth, just because the ghast nexus is a rifle doesn't mean it's not a drone. You just wouldn't be proccing centimane 1 from it as it's no longer a nexus

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this has come up with me and using the sentry drone from suldan

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and feel free to ignore me

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I'm not authorotative, just someone who poked around for answers

sand bison
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there are arguments for both sides, some say that the ghast nexus having the drone tag is enough for it to work

floral robin
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i think it needs to be deployed and would rule it as such, however, many rules are gonna cone down to table interpretation

ornate mango
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where can i find the most recent lcp?

thick galleon
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#new-content-resources message

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here i think

ornate mango
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thanks!

subtle yarrow
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If i have locked onto an enemy with tagetes, ive got a heavy weapon with 5 base range, and i stand 6-10 spaces away from the enemy thats locked on- are they a valid target for heavy gunner...?

compact trellis
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not for the initial quick action, no; Heavy Gunner isn't an attack, so the Tagetes can't extend your range with it.

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for the reaction, it can, since the trigger doesn't care about your range(only that you can legally attack them in some manner)

tight skiff
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If a tagetes equips and turns a Blast Weapon such as an RPG into a rifle, how does it interact with the Tempeste Long Scope?

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Can you still increase the range by 5 as long as 1 of the initial targets in the area has a Lock On you can consume?

thick galleon
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Yeah

tight skiff
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Thanks

crystal laurel
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It's the same as how it works with External Batteries and Nuclear Cavalier. Even though it only modifies one attack, it extends the range for all of them.

tight skiff
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Can the Tagetes modify integrated weapons like the Fuel Rod Gun?

dull junco
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Integrated weapons cannot be modified at all

icy mesa
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I'll be reading through Shadow of the Wolf tonight and will likely be doing a play test in the near future, but just wanted to say the initial lore setup of like a fire emblem three houses/witch of mercury mech campus training arc is perfect and I love it and may be the most ideal setting ever haha

sinful perch
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Sadly, feedback would be a bit late at this point

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Like she said though, don't let that stop you !

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Just letting you know, is all

crystal laurel
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So why is the Tagetes unable to change weapons to rifles, but the Viceroy turns integrated Launchers into CQBs? Is it because the Viceroy's ability isn't optional?

pearl meteor
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Viceroy isn't modifying its weapons, it's just able to treat launchers like they're CQBs

merry nova
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If a razor swarm got destroyed for a reason, would you be able to just place another one using the passive?

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or is it like a 1/scene thing?

stray grove
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razor swarm cant be destroyed iirc

remote isle
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razor swarms are neither characters nor objects so i don't think they can be destroyed for any reason (?)

civic thorn
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If for some reason it did get dispelled (nothing can actually do this) you'd be able to just place down a new one. It isn't like other drones that are systems whether integrated or not

merry nova
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Got it, thanks

neon iris
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I forget, am I allowed to post art I made for my own campaign here??

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(Playtest sotw)

sinful perch
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Ain't nobody gonna complain about some nice art whatever the case

true mountain
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Hey does Tagetes Core Passive work with Blast weapons?

magic wadi
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the range does not increase if the weapon does not have a range (ex: burst weapons)

true mountain
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Cool, so it does work on the Hurricane Cluster Projector, fun!

zinc plank
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how would that work

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like, if someone with lock on is withing 16 spaces you get to place the blast so it encompasses them?

civic thorn
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Sure.

magic wadi
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so it really just gives you more wiggle room

brittle mango
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Is the most current lcp version 0.6.1?

dusky sequoia
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This is the right place to ask rules questions on SotW content, correct?

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Can you center an Annihilation Nexus attack on your Razor Swarm, and would that Burst measure from the Blast 1 area?

stone flax
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Yes, and yes.

civic thorn
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Effectively turns it into a Blast 3 area

crystal laurel
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Holy Moly. That's even better than I thought. I thought it would just measure from the center like a Blast 2. Would it attack people inside the Razor Swarm?

pearl meteor
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yup. bursts affect all spaces in their perimeter, only the originating character (if any) is unaffected.

civic thorn
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It's a good combo, if a little clumsy in positioning since neither you nor allies are excluded from it.

crystal laurel
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Yeah, an effective Blast 3 gets awkward.

hearty karma
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Just wanted to check in how you were doing Kat and how the process was going?

cerulean bluff
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This is extremely late but I am now realising that Balbo missed the opportunity to call this thread "Questions of the Wolf"

serene minnow
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will there be a specified playtest for Shadow of The Wolf's frames in the future, or are we allowed to use them in stuff like oneshots with consent from the GM?

thick galleon
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can you rephrase the question?

serene minnow
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Are frames from Shadow of The Wolf allowed to be used outside of playtests

thick galleon
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Yeah that's fine

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and if you report back on that experience, it's now retroactively a playtest

visual vault
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(playtesting is also more or less over, Kat mentioned that SotW is done with layout by now)

serene minnow
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ah, gotcha

rare shoal
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Was Tagetes by any chance inspired by the whole "Andromeda Heavy Laser Rifle isn't a rifle" discrepancy?

storm trout
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Somewhat, but from what Kat has said she more designed it to be a "rifleman" sorta frame

rare shoal
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it's still an amusing thought

void gyro
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#lancer-general message

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talks about it here

brave wyvern
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My job is done.

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