#Baldur's Gate 3

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simple spire
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Kelemvor’s a death god who opposes undeath

safe jungle
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at least skyrim restoration magic can create undeath

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now that makes sense

simple spire
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Myrkul is less of a hardass about it

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Cosmologically speaking, it’s a negative energy thing

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Undead are animated by negative energy

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Which is harmful to the living

grave prism
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Withers is still my favourite guy from BG3 tbh

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him being a primordial death god but going "i actually just don't give a shit someone else do this" while also simultaneously roasting the dead three for being fucking stupid is hilarious

safe jungle
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Why would Jergal do this

visual copper
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For the funny

neon junco
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Iirc the lore on Jergal was rather scant and he was like a boring studious bookkeeper type that didn't do much but scribe the dead.

The characterization of him being a guy who just quit his job cause he stopped caring is peak

visual copper
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Same reason he let the Dead Three have his mantle in the first place

safe jungle
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It seems like being a death god is a mistake tbh

visual copper
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He was kinda bored and wanted to see what they'd do

safe jungle
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They are so limited on what they can actually do

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Because everything in their sphere gets back seat driven by everyone else

neon junco
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Ao did reprimand Jergal for basically giving his domain to the Dead 3 and Ao was like hey now you shouldn't have done that now fix the situation, then he didn't really and that's when Kelemvor got involved and did actually fix things

safe jungle
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I don’t think even Ao can really make Jergal do anything lmfao

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What’s the worst Ao can do

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Kill him?

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He’s already dead inside

neon junco
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Give him a worse job

safe jungle
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That would be a challenge

neon junco
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Faerun pantheon God tech support

safe jungle
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Even for Ao

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Is that really worse than having to catalogue the millions of souls that die every day and judge them by their merits

neon junco
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Withers doesn't care to interact much with us, imagine forcing him into customer service

neon junco
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Well at least for cataloging purposes

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At some point cataloging millions just becomes a job, you see numbers than anything like being an underworld Dmv worker

grave prism
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Jergal calling the Dead 3 bums was peak in BG3

safe jungle
neon junco
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I imagine Ao did find something to make Jergal do something about the dead 3 even if it is half assed

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Otherwise he could be like, I'm an immortal leave me alone I quit and am retired

safe jungle
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are atheist souls condemned to forever rot in the fugue plains

neon junco
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Not anymore

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Kelemvor changed that so you're not part of the wall for being an atheist

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You basically get a last chance to petition with a deity you vibe with or accept a devil's pact

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Otherwise if you don't do either then wall time

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Or a deity might forcibly get your soul

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If say you basically practiced many of their tenants without ever worshipping them

safe jungle
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why do evil deitie torture their evil followers in the afterlife anywyas

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because for the evil?

neon junco
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Sometimes they get to be torturers

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As for some evil deities that seem to have no redeeming features, idk

simple spire
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If we’re talking about the Lower Planes generally, the gods of evil don’t run those, and even those are not a punishment.

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They’re just like attracting like.

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A god’s worshippers don’t go to the lower planes under normal circumstances, though.

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They go to the god’s Divine Realm, a pocket within an outer plane where the god has nigh-absolute power. After a relatively brief period, they become a petitioner, finding the specifics of their identity cease to be important in the process of joining the godhead.

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Having a patron deity in D&D is a process of becoming part of that deity.

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And also the whole of that deity

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Since whole is part and part is whole

visual copper
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Going to Hell in DnD is not a punishment, its a career opportunity

simple spire
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Hypothetically

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Hell in particular is fucked up because unless you make arrangements beforehand you’re just going in the soul grinder

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Since the Baatzeu are an occupying army

neon junco
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There's basically no vertical mobility for a lemure

visual copper
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theoretically you can

neon junco
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Unless you're an absolute lucky bastard who kills a guy as a lemure

visual copper
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but practically yes you should have already made a deal

simple spire
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Also lemures are not mortal souls

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They are made of mortal souls

neon junco
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Well in the fugue plains the is where you could make a deal with a devil

simple spire
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Because Baatzeu do not naturally get created by the Planes

neon junco
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Whats the lemure equivalent for someone who made a deal with a devil

simple spire
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You might be able to start higher up

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Probably, even

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Maybe something as good as an ice devil, if you bargain well

neon junco
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Thats why its enticing to make a deal with devil ambassadors

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You wont be starting at the lowest rung possible and wont be a demon spawnling and you dont go into the wall

simple spire
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Hell still sucks but you’ll have a bit of control over your destiny

neon junco
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It might be a writers oversight as in act 2 killing mizora or failing to save her turns Wyll into a Lemure

simple spire
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They could do that

visual copper
neon junco
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There are some neutral/evil deities with like quite lax petitioning requirements

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You gotta either piss off every deity where all refuse to take you in or find the idea of climbing the hell ladder appealing

simple spire
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My friend wrote this up a while back #tabletop-discussion message

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It discusses the lower planes

neon junco
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The devil route is basically the only route where you also get to interact with the mortal realms one day

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Climb high enough and you can visit the mortal planes, probably an appealing choice to those with unfinished business. Although you'll probably regret it in hindsight assuming you're not like broken and become 110% into the hell life

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Some circles are better than others

severe robin
neon junco
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If wyll breaks the contract early without an amendment he gets lemured

severe robin
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Yeah

safe jungle
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Can a devil be demoted back to being a lemure

visual copper
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IIRC yes

neon junco
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Yes

visual copper
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if you really fuck up or piss off your superior

neon junco
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You'd have to piss off someone super high up in the chain

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Which since avernus naturally is full of backstabbing and treachery it's a big feat to be bad enough to be turned into lemure as a higher ranking devil.

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Although there's like larvae and little guys barely a rank above lemure that get demoted for little to no reasons.

simple spire
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Part of what makes the Nine Hells shit is that Asmodeus can, at any time, just kick the ladder out from under anyone.

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It doesn't matter how high one ascends or how powerful they are.

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The Lord of the Nine can always, always ruin everything for his own inscrutable reasons.

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There are maybe a couple of exceptions to that: he's probably not going to fuck over Glasya, his daughter by the dead wife he sincerely loved. He will absolutely weaponize her in fucking over everybody else though, and already has.

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He probably can't do anything to Baalphegor, the inexplicable and terrifying consort of Mephistopheles.

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He probably won't do anything to Mephistopheles, since Baalphegor seems to genuinely like him.

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Despite Mephistopheles being the fifthest fifth column that ever fifthed

simple spire
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Tbh the funniest outcome for Rafael getting the Crown would be that he puts it on, goes to try to take over the hells, and gets swatted down immediately by a slightly irritated Lord of the Nine

neon junco
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Iirc one of the archdevils know and is planning for him to actually get it back so it saves them the effort when they just take them out Raphael

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The absolutely know what Raphael is doing inside and out and has even assisted him where it'd otherwise fail lol

simple spire
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Dude lives in Avernus, a place noted for being checks watch full of people considered entirely disposable

neon junco
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It's also a place full of hubris, Raphael thought he was being slick and doing the same plans as others thinking he'd be different and actually succeed

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Iirc the original vault heist crew that stole the crown ran into other devils that weren't mammon's likely to steal the crown

safe jungle
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Also the crown must have a price of some kind otherwise mammon would be wearing it

neon junco
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Tbf mammon has a ton of real powerful magic items he doesnt use to preserve its value

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Also he probably cant use them all at once

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But yea the crown is one of karsus and we saw how karsus's folly destroyed an entire magic system and mystral. Even the archdevils know its not worth it

grave prism
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Karsus was the biggest bozo around and fucking with his artifacts just feels like a poor choice

neon junco
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Ironically the archdevils have the least and most hubris amongst devils, they're quite sensible with their ego when it comes to dangerous items or quests except if it personally slights them then its all ego

safe jungle
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well they haven't gotten to where they are by not knowing their limits

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but they also can't let a slight against them pass without PUNISHMENT y know

simple spire
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The Crown would also be, while not exactly small potatoes by planar standards, not some uniquely terrible artifact of power

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And given Gale’s ending where ||he tries to usurp Mystra like Karsus did goes poorly for him|| I imagine the big players are prepared for something like it

neon junco
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Man Minthara has such a way with words and is so ride or die whether you embrace slayer or become an illithid
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I think she's the only companion that wants to stay with you if you go illithid

rich plover
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Karlach was willing to stay with my character, but that might've been a quirk with multiplayer weirdness

simple spire
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Awful on a lot of points, but fascinatingly sincere and coherent.

neon junco
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She has quite a lot of depth despite having much fewer scenes than the origins

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Whoever wrote Minthara cooked with every line she had

soft tundra
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Minthara romance is my fave in the game

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Shes up there with wotr Regill for me on "Well-done evil character who has every reason to work with the protags for the duration of the campaign"

neon junco
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I do love how her character is consistent and she didnt do a 180 for us, considering she's one of the older and mature characters thats over 200 she didnt complete change in like the weeks she's known us. She was just always like that but didnt know us well enough

soft tundra
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She has a fairly reasonable reaction to "i was being mind-influenced? fuck those guys"

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also she has my favorite line in the entire game

neon junco
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I will attack the clown out of nowhere if I have mintara

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How can you hear that and not do it

soft tundra
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we would be praised... as heroes...

neon junco
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And she was right

soft tundra
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its just such a sincere delivery

neon junco
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Mintara is never wrong under her full judgement

neon junco
rain wraith
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God this game has maybe the best crpg soundtrack I've ever heard

vague sedge
simple spire
rain wraith
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lol

simple spire
lament kiln
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you forgot throne of bhaal

simple spire
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True, that one also rocks

tacit sluice
golden grotto
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the faith leap trial is one of the worst things ever devised by man

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sneaking helps but also not enough

neon junco
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Yea I only figured out the legit way several runs later

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The entrance before you step on any the path glows with the proper path but vanishes the moment you get on the path

golden grotto
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unironically considering misty step in a second

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used a misty step and dimension door

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then had another character slit their wrist to start the trial because i forgot

simple spire
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Yeah, I understand what they were trying to do with Faith Leap but like

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It's not interactive enough

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Because the tools to interact with it would instantly void it

rich plover
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It accurately reproduces the experience of a DM insisting that no you have to solve the puzzle the right way.

safe jungle
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for being a goddess of loss and lies and betrayal and all the nasty stuff she really hates any attempt at cheating

rain wraith
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I mean her personality is that of a cult leader so honestly I'd expect that

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It's a test to prove your devotion via jumping through hoops

safe jungle
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if gods wanted to be worshipped maybe they should consider being more divine

rain wraith
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I mean

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Being a petty, unreasonable prick with a need for those you lord over to constantly supplicate to and jump through hoops for you has been the marker of divinities in many religions

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(I do not mean all or even most just historically many)

simple spire
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My general picture of Shar outside of BG3 has been that she's not really insincere

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Shitty and hard to get along with, but on the sliding scale of your Myrkuls and Malars and Umberlees to your Banes, Lolths, and Cyrics she's uh

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Middle of the road?

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Amusingly, BG2:ToB epilogue lore was that Viconia eventually broke from Shar somewhat explosively and found another, unknown patron

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Viconia traveled only for a short time after parting ways with <CHARNAME>, eventually starting a cult dedicated to Shar within the massive city of Waterdeep. One of her followers would eventually turn against her, precipitating a furious Viconia to slaughter the entire cult, herself. Shar did not forgive Viconia this trespass and removed her abilities. Viconia stubbornly refused to atone, however, and instead left Waterdeep to wander the Realms. The dark elf became known as an enigmatic and powerful figure as tales of her spread...and while it was known she no longer worshipped Shar, it was also known that her clerical powers were still great. Who the dark lady now worshipped, however, was her own secret to keep. She reportedly raised an army against the Vaasan Witch-King, viciously attempting to subvert rule over his Kingdom and only barely being defeated after several military failures. Viconia prevented an attempt by the Knights of the Shield to take over Calimport...only to take over the city herself days later and institute a reign of terror and cruelty which is spoken of even years later in shuddered tones. Viconia abandoned Calimport and, it is said, returned to the Underdark from whence she came. Hers was not a gentle return, however, as Viconia would become a conquering force amongst the drow to give even Lolth pause. Her mettle had been tested by both worlds, Viconia said, and proven herself worthy. She would make the drow strong whereas now they were weak. What eventually became of Viconia is unknown and shrouded in rumor...but it is said that even the great Spider Queen does not rest easily any more.

lament kiln
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And by 'they' I mean WOTC, not Larian

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That's my one major complaint with the game, and it's not even Larian's fault.

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Just the sense that if you're taking BG3 as a real sequel, then literally everything you accomplished in 1 and 2 counted for precisely dick, because the people in charge of the story wanted a return to status quo.

simple spire
lament kiln
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Same

simple spire
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But I will say that my "writer's intuition", such as it were, is that Larian doesn't especially like BG1, and they like BG2 even less.

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Honestly my dream game for an actual BG3 would follow the god ending of ToB, essentially using the PC/Guardian dynamic that Larian sets up here but playing it straight and saying that the guardian figure is the ascended CHARNAME.

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Obviously one can't tell any more stories about CHARNAME, but you don't tell stories about gods anyway, so that works fine :D

neon junco
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Saverok was done real dirty

simple spire
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Yeah

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I love ToB Sarevok

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This is just a completely different guy

neon junco
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Tbh I just think Larian didnt care about the continuity part but were forced to include it by wotc so they half assed it

simple spire
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In my head I try to strip the old names off of these characters

neon junco
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DOS2 contradicts so much in DOS1 they might as be different series

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And the 2 reoccuring characters are like, not at all the same

simple spire
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Yeah, DOS1 seems like an odd game to follow anyway, since it's so light on story

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And so very tongue-in-cheek

neon junco
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I wouldnt say its light, but it was very unserious about itself

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There were like a dozen wacky characters

soft tundra
simple spire
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Older woman says, "heya, it's me, Imoen," sounds like the greatest of all possible fanservice moments to me

neon junco
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The excuse for keeping minsc and boo alive was so half baked

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They uh got petrified and put as a statue until by chance they got ok

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Sarevok who had multiple arcs and various stories on redeeming himself and distancing himself as much from Baahl as possible. Then in 3 he starts a weird incestous Baahl cult because reasons?

simple spire
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Also he was never a Bhaal worshipper!

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He was a very bad man who wanted Bhaal's power, but like

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Even in BG1 we have stuff about how he was not a Bhaal worshipper

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He studied their stuff and exploited them as needed for his cult of personality but

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Auuuuugh

neon junco
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Yea Baahl was a tool and he didn't want to be a part of his prophecy

simple spire
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And a big part of ToB was that the Bhaalspawn and the remaining cult of Bhaal were absolutely not friends

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The stronger of the Bhaalspawn all wanted to be the kings of the mountain, even just as exceptionally powerful mortals in some cases

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They did not want to be sacrificed to bring back dad

neon junco
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Minsc got like reductionist take of haha funny wilds guy from the warrior philosopher he was.
Jaheira just was there
Victoria also got it bad but you could maybe see it if you refuse to believe the neutral ending was Canon.

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Sarevok is just unrecognizable

simple spire
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In fairness, having played BG2 fairly recently, Minsc mostly is just the funny headwound guy

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Dude does not have a lot going on upstairs

neon junco
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I'd say 2 did 1 dirty for minsc

simple spire
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Having also played BG1 fairly recently, BG1 NPCs mostly do not have a ton of character. There's no banters or anything in that game

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Most of it comes through in their voice lines

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Minsc being the possessor of such classics as "live by the sword, live a good, long time"

neon junco
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Yea, although there wasn't anything to lead us to believe like he's comedy relief dummy levels in 1

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He was like a warrior guy

simple spire
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In BG2 he gets a bit of an arc with Dynaheir's death if Aerie is in the party

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But Minsc always had illegally low wisdom for a ranger and an explicit headwound rage power, and IIRC his bio does say outright that the other Rashemen berserkers find him kind of embarassing

lament kiln
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The thing that pisses me off about Sarevok

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Is the sequence of events that lead to him being in BG3 and being the Chosen of Bhaal basically mean that the main character was a fucking idiot

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Because he would have had to have brought the genocidal madman back from the dead and then done literally nothing to alter his outlook or personality in any way

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"But what if the main character was evil and didn't care?"

  1. then why the hell didn't they take the 'Become a Fucking God' ending option?

  2. Thanks to WOTC there is a canon main character and it's a boring-ass good-aligned human fighter

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That, again hilariously insultingly, is apparently the protagonist of the tie-in novels.

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Which were only notable by being exceptional tripe, even by the standards of franchise genre fiction.

neon junco
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I love Shart but human male white guy fighter going after conventionally attractive goth manic pixie dream girl is so cliche

simple spire
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I think Sidhe means CHARNAME

golden grotto
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looked through the genie's prizes

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so fucking good LMAO

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oh my god is that a fucking ||velociraptor????????||

simple spire
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Ye

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||He teleports you to chult||

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||They have dinosaurs in chult||

golden grotto
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||god it's like im playing monster hunter world all over again||

golden grotto
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at the hands of ||durge||

sonic pollen
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i don't think a truly "canon" playthrough exists

golden grotto
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no no there was a tie-in book

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idk of it's canonicity

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but all i know about it is that ||tav is fucking dead||

simple spire
dawn terrace
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To be fair, he is not good aligned, he's Neutral. Also to be fair I don't think BG3 cares about the novels, considering that in them Khalid is abusive and Jaheira dies.

lament kiln
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But yeah. The WOTC canon for the BG games is basically

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  • All the villains are somehow alive again and haven't changed at all
  • All the party members are somehow alive after 200+ years, even when bog-standard Human, and also have undergone precisely zero character development
  • All Hail the Status Quo because gods forbid anything in Forgotten Realms ever actually change
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It's bringing Bhaal back that's the biggest insult for me.

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Because the whole point of the first two games was 'here's how to stop that from happening"

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And even with the 'stay mortal' ending it was supposed to dissolve his divine power to the point where on your death him returning would be an impossibility

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But what happens, apparently is

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"Abdel or whatever his name is, apparently missed a Bhaalspawn. They randomly show up and have a big fight. Abdel randomly turns into the Slayer because reasons, and then literally explodes. Whoops, Bhaal's back."

simple spire
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… god I didn’t know that was the explanation

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That sucks

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Especially given ToB’s ending is literally premised on all the Bhaalspawn being neutralized or dead

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In a vacuum, I don’t really care about Bhaal being around in BG3 because I don’t care about canon but like

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It bugs me because WOTC does I guess and their canon sucks

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(And I do think Larian’s approach to the BG1/2 material, even if it was compelled, is kinda annoying)

neon junco
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Larian for all their writing chops has 0 consistency

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Even with their own IP

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The divinity "series" is basically non coherent as a series and basically just a keyword that like Larian wrote this

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Like Divinuty: Dragon Commander just has the similar fantasy premise with cannibal predatory elves, undead, imperialist dragon mages

dawn valley
golden grotto
golden grotto
severe pine
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spoilers?

simple spire
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BG3 rewrites a lot of lore to do with the gith and the illithids

severe robin
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Does it?

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I'll admit to not knowing anything about the gith but I don't recall noticing any changes to Illithid lore

golden grotto
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i loved the new epilogue

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didnt exist last time i played

dawn valley
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i wanna do a swarmkeeper/spore druid buils

simple spire
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It's relatively cool

dawn valley
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will it go through honour mode ?

simple spire
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You could probably take it through but it’s not extremely strong

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Fun combo, spore Druid is cool and loves going to 5 in a martial class

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But it’s not uber-strong and neither is swarmkeeper

dawn valley
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i mena i don't reallyt plan, to relly soley on it i have team mates to help

simple spire
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Yeah, I'm just saying it's probably fairly middle-range in terms of power to throw around

dawn valley
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it's that or the hexblade warlock

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I guess i shjould focus more on dex then since ranger is technicly a martial and spore is attack centric

severe pine
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you can do Wisdom Ranger if you have have Shillelagh

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with medium armour you only need 14 dex

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Go Ranger 5, Druid 7

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You'll either have to start Druid and put off getting Extra Attack until level 6, or go Ranger 5 and get Magic Initiate Druid for the spell

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I'd say Druid 1/Ranger 5/Druid 6 is probably the best way to do it

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although maybe Druid 2 before any Ranger if you want to get Spores online

simple spire
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But yeah, good shout

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If you want to dual wield you can use the infernal rapier or sylvan scimitar, or get real cute and use belm to do bonus action hits with your main hand

wispy pawn
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Has anyone tried a Radiant Orb build? I'm gonna be doing a playthrough with my brother, and was thinking I'd make a defensive pair of some kind of Ancients Paladin, along with a radiant orb enjoyer (Stars Druid? Light Cleric?)

simple spire
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But tbh I think I’d do something like heavy armor, ketheric’s shield, and markoheeshkir with polearm master

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For me personally I’d do paladin instead of ranger, and possibly drop druid to 5 or 6 for cleric 1 or 2, but I have a problem

simple spire
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Just note that the Rafael fight is gonna suck

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My favored build is Storm Sorcerer 1/Light Cleric 9/Stars Druid 2

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But really any combination of Light Cleric, Stars Druid, and Paladin will work wonders

severe pine
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Dark Urge spoilers: ||Almost killed Shadowheart because I was carrying the Resonance Stone. Disadvantage on every check. I don't think it's worth the bonus psychic damage at this point||

simple spire
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It’s a very strong bit of bullshit but to be tbh a lot of main plot enemies at endgame have psychic damage immunity, and it seems weird to have to shift gears entirely right then

dawn valley
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I was thinking ranger till level 5 because the only staf i see myself use is the necromancy one in act 3, then again i wonder if the the bonus works if it's just equiped

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i may remember the staff wrong

dawn valley
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maybe doing an honour run without finishing a normal one was a bad idea

simple spire
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It really helps to know the game all the way through, first.

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Honor Mode also adds some potentially nasty surprises.

soft tundra
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the real trick is knowing where to milk free EXP early to get some Real Hit Points

simple spire
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Avoiding early combat is good, yeah

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That fight with the Intellect Devourers can be rough

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But it’s the Owlbear fight where you go, “oh, this is what they meant. Fuck.”

soft tundra
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yeah, theres a lot of like... are you doing Honor Mode to beat it, or are you trying to "100%" honor mode

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cuz in a lot of ways if you can skip fights you Should in a lot of act 1 for sure

simple spire
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The experience gains are often pretty trivial in the long term and some of those fights are nasty for gear you're not going to use

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It helps to have A Plan

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I do encourage people to play with the Honor Mode ruleset and multiple save files though

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The boss fights are fun

soft tundra
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the changes are really neat and fresh

simple spire
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Yeah. My tip for most people would be tactician for the first playthrough, and then honor mode or honor mode ruleset for the second.

grave prism
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das what i did

dawn valley
simple spire
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XD

charred niche
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Honor Mode kind of makes a few fights feel more.. like.. real fights? I'm never a huge fan of locking enemy functions behind difficulty

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Ohwait I'm confusing difficulties that's tactitian stuff aint it

rich plover
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Honor Mode adds extra legendary actions and things, is that what you mean?

charred niche
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Yesyes okay

rich plover
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vs Tactician juicing stats and tactics

charred niche
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Forgot if Honor was Steel Soul Mode onelife or w/e

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But yeah stuff like that always feels off

rich plover
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yea, it's also that. party wipe kills the save, plus it's got anti-savescumming and nerfs/fixes some weird interactions in PC options

charred niche
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just lemme have the enemies with full movesets

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Makes the other diffs feel.. fake

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Adds strange fomo

rich plover
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that was my biggest complaint when they releasaed honor mode in the middle of my co-op tactician run. "you can change difficulty at any time! ...but you can't make the boss fights cooler"

charred niche
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Same, and then friends aren't into the more complicated saves n all

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/still in act 1 "we're so far"

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But also technically true

visual copper
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doing Honor Mode adjustments without the save lock

simple spire
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Yep, you can customize difficulty

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It'll be right at the top as "honor mode ruleset", iirc

charred niche
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Well that's delightful! Was being more general about the concept at the start but good to know, they've clearly been listening to playerbase n whatall

rich plover
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Nice. I don't think that was an option right when honor mode came out

visual copper
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yeah they let you customize things a bit more now, and mix up different parts of the difficulty settings

simple spire
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It was not, yeah

charred niche
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PoE2 almost has too many difficulty options, gets me in a sort of 'am I going to break the game' way

simple spire
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Yeah, Deadfire never hooked me but a bunch of the difficulty options seemed ... silly.

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The Magran one that gets rid of pausing, just aaaaaaaaaaaa

visual copper
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both of the PoE games are just very breakable

simple spire
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I enjoyed the first one a lot

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Deadfire sanded off a lot of the rough edges and removed the jank

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In a way I didn't like

visual copper
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I like PoE 2 a ton mechanically, but can't get into it properly due to some structure stuff

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mostly the boating

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but I've also been meaning to try another playthrough

simple spire
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Also reducing the party to five characters just rubs me the wrong way

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I know there's no particular reason it should be six rather than five

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But seeing my party members line up in a nice two-by-three just gives me that dopamine hit

signal tendon
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Um

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So I’m fighting Yurgir In this playthrough

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Uh

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Something weird happened

simple spire
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I decided to do a proper Honor Mode playthrough

severe pine
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Act 3 Spoilers: Killing ||Lorroakan|| is always so satisfying

grave prism
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real

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FUCK ||Lorroakan||

severe pine
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he's at the perfect nexus of evil and stupid to beating him feel great

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there's worse people, but few of them are as pathetic

rich plover
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And he comes with a free ||balcony to throw him off of||

neon junco
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A close 2nd is aradin

safe jungle
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||Lorrokoan fell from a high place||

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For a ||wizard who lives in a high tower you’d think he has an artifact that mitigates fall damage ||on him at all times

neon junco
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Feather fall is a level 1 spell

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Also ||it wasn't actually his tower but he went in to loot the place and the archwizard was dead so he figured out all of the traps and such then took over||

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It may be a surprise to hear but Lorrokan is a fraud

simple spire
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I should throw him to his doom in the upcoming Honour Mode playthrough

vague sedge
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I always let ||Dame Aylin snap the fucker over her knee like a twig||

clear kestrel
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We becoming God's again

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CW trailer is nsfw

neon junco
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Yoooo

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Time to become the divine again

vague sedge
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(Just so we're clear, NSFW is an understatement. There's body horror, gore, and gross vomit stuff so probably pass on it if you don't do well with any of that)

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Whatever happened to the dude in the effigy was almost certainly voidwoken related though. Reminded me a lot of some of the stuff you see/hear about in DOS2.

rich plover
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Larian is really committed to trailers that make me queasy 😅 it's the mind flayers all over again

vague sedge
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Most of the gore in BG3 was pretty tame compared to the mind flayer trailer so I wonder if it'll be a similar thing here, with an incredibly graphic trailer that gets people talking but the actual gameplay will be more toned down.

soft tundra
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Ideally it can have in-game options to modulate gore/blood

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Big fan of those options in games

clear kestrel
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Imagining it's the same engine, i think it'll be tame

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Like people turn ti giblets in all the divinity games but it's often very cartoony

grave prism
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yeah getting salsa'd in DOS2 i remember being rather comical

charred niche
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Sort of a 'water balloon filled with blood' type of exploding

grave prism
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yeah

clear kestrel
vague sedge
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DOS2 had some graphic narrator descriptions like in BG3 but the actual gore and animations were incredibly tame.

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Probably due to engine limitations

clear kestrel
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I think they're going in another new direction, or back to some of the previous lore. Divinity has always been a very maliable series

neon junco
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Yea dos2 was barely similar to 1 in terms of lore

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They share themes but like the main plots pretty much contradict each other

charred niche
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That's why Fane is so rude about how much worse the world is now

neon junco
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Stfu Fane your people weren't even Canon in dos1

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I do love Fane, I feel like he's clearly the protagonist character cause you unlock a second campaign of dialogue from Fane exclusive stuff as a PC

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Fane as a companion defaults to like 1 of the 2+ choices a PC could get

visual copper
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Most of the origin chars do, though Fane especially yeah

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Ifan and Beast don't really though, because fuck them I guess

clear kestrel
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Fane is the most main character focused but Loshe was the best playthough imo

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Red Prince very much feels like someone else's character in a ttrpg campaign

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But maybe that just speaks to the characters I make

neon junco
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Sebille has the monopoly on like elf stuff besides ifan's brief interactions as the death fog nuke genocide right hand man of Lucian

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And the prophet kiddo acts very different with Sebille with you

visual copper
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Sebille also has some fun interactions, yes

vague sedge
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Beast really got the short end of the stick in a cast full of interesting characters, both as a PC and a companion. Not that he's really a bad character he's just kind of... a bog standard fantasy dwarf in a game where the rest of the cast has some kind of unique hook to their arc

visual copper
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it also just doesn't help but his story barely comes up for most of the game

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he has some rapport with the dwarves in act 2, and that's kinda it until act 4

charred niche
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This is why he gets the funnest theme song

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(Though they're all good)

lament kiln
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I've been meaning to play more ofit

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But I'm kind of turned off by the idea that you're basically getting only a partial story if you don't use a premade character

clear kestrel
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You still get plenty of story

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And see all of the origins story if you bring them with you

simple spire
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I was unable to get into it.

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Crowdfunded it, started the game, bounced off of it almost immediately.

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Played quite a bit of DOS1, which was ... considerably lighter on story, based on what I hear of the sequel.

clear kestrel
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I think I've done DOS1 twice

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And DOS2 3 times

vague sedge
neon junco
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I did dos1 once and like dos2 6 times not including countless unfinished act 1s coop

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To me dos2 is just an upgrade

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Dos1 combat I do like one part better in that abilities are based on percentage instead of armor/barrier so it has a more classic mmo/crpg combat but dos2 has mod that basically overhaul it to be similar

rich plover
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one of these days I need to give DOS2 another shot. it's one of those games that I've exclusively played via doomed co-op. not sure if I want to run it vanilla or modded

neon junco
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I think the game is best either duos or solo cause the npcs add quite a bit of plot and the PC conversing with them

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I opt towards modded for the overhaul cause the armor/magic armor system is kind of too predictable to cheese once you understand it. Also there are some nice QoL mods like respec mirror in act 1

visual copper
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DOS2 is weird IMO, because it's a game you kinda need to cheese and break to an extent for things to be fun

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Because trying to play DOS2 "fairly" just feels like it gets punished

neon junco
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Yea its game you need to cheese by design

clear kestrel
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Yeah I think modded to improve the armor system is much much better

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I dunno, I never really cheesed it myself on the first two gos

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I just made the classes and they were strong enough to win, I never felt the need to like, drop heavy items on peoples heads, kill merchants, use deathfog etc

vague sedge
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Terrain and the various other imsimmy mechanics are begging to be exploited yeah.

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Like, you can play it like a traditional CRPG and still have a ton of fun with it but half the fun is seeing what kind of bullshit you can get up to

neon junco
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Larian loves elemental clouds and puddles

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The fact they snuck it into bg3 is funny to me

charred niche
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It made Standing On Grease a real surprise for everyone

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I don't blame them it's a fun system to have in this type of thing

neon junco
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Also fireball into ice to be puddle then hitting them with lightning/cold for double damage

charred niche
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'This is my secret barrel of oil, for surprises'

neon junco
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Firebolt gets even better as a cantrip

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Explosive barrel dont mind if I firebolt it

vague sedge
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Because, like, it's all still there and fully working, there's just fewer things that interact with it

charred niche
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DoS2 did have a way of hitting sort of 'permanent explosion' now an then

visual copper
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like Firebolt was a d4 at first, but it also set the target on fire and created a fire surface under them

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notably this happened even if you missed

soft tundra
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it was VERY Funny

vague sedge
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Yeah that sounds like DOS2 alright

soft tundra
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wow all these goblins next to oil barrels

neon junco
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I'm glad they're off bg so they can make another unrestrained game

vague sedge
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I remember seeing a video once, might have been Spiffing Brit (it certainly sounds like something he'd do anyway) where he did an entire playthrough of the game without actually attacking anything. He just used telekinesis and a chest filled with about 1200lbs of shit

neon junco
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I'm a fan of beating the game with a giant portrait of Alexander

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Especially killing him twice with his own portrait

lament kiln
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I'm just remembering the Okoii video where they clear the entire goblin camp with a couple hundred barrels

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Set to the 1812 overture

simple spire
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Made some more progress on our big stupid playthrough with the gf. We gave all enemies something like +170% hp and two actions and two bonus actions. This made the Ansur fight rather difficult!

dry crest
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Gosh. That sounds very stressful. I'm struggling with 4 actions and bonus actions between 5 characters.

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Oop.
4 actions, 5 bonus actions between 4 characters.

severe pine
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Just found out that Barcus Wroot has voice lines for the Tiefling party

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never done things in that order before, but it's surprising

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you have to go pretty out of your way for him to be there

severe pine
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aaah, fuck

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dropped a cloud of daggers on Auntie Ethel and she teleported Mayrina into it

simple spire
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oooooof

vague sedge
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Yeah she does everything she can to get you to accidentally kill Mayrina during that fight

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I don't use any persistent AOEs during that fight and I'll try to do something like inflicting a harmless debuff on Mayrina (like a bottle of water to inflict Wet) to mark her when Ethel makes herself look like her.

tacit sluice
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I did similar, but I got Ethel with a persistent debuff and was able to target her down also I was using a mod to allow everyone to be in the fight at the same time so that really made it easy

pure steppe
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Is there any general UI tips or easily missed menus for someone starting out? I've oriented the mini map to north but that's about it

simple spire
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Playing on PC?

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You can do your own custom quickbar, and will probably need to at higher levels

grave prism
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didn't know you could orient the minimap

rich plover
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pay close attention when you're targeting ranged attacks and jumps. BG3 will absolutely fire at the ground instead of an enemy, or jump to your death

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pretty standard for CRPGs, but you can separate and group up different combinations of your party members if you, e.g., want to send a sneaky character out first, or disarm some traps without someone's pathfinding blundering them into it

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you can go into turn-based mode out of combat with an option near the rest button -- that's really good for sneaking and other timing-based challenges (maybe too good).

pure steppe
simple spire
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Sometimes you can also pixel hunt for line of effect

rich plover
pure steppe
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I did accidentally almost kill Shadowheart at the start by popping a briny acid pod with a crossbow around the start location she spawned in for conversation so I'm paying more attention to clickables now

severe pine
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oh, some enemies explode (or do other nasty things) on death. If you turn on non-lethal attacks, your melee attacks won't set those off

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that's my big ui tip

dawn valley
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I'mbplaying Bg3 at myvparent’s house and i wanted to make a swarmkeeper plus spore druid but the more i think about it the less it seems good

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But i'begining to thinl that going arcane archer might be the better choice here

safe jungle
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I’ve always gone warlock for some reason

neon junco
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Warlock is pretty nice, out of all the casters they get real strong class exclusive items

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And even aside eldritch blast machine gun god, there's an abundance of gear that gives you free spell to cast or spell slots so you can basically play like a full caster anyways while having the warlock strengths

safe jungle
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Pew pew eldritch blast

neon junco
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I tried Ranger and it was underwhelming after playing fighter cause like fighter/barbarian gets a stupid amount of really strong class exclusive magic items

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I was hoping they'd do the same for ranger

simple spire
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To me, warlock feels strictly worse at most things than just like a scorching ray-specialist wizard

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Or sorcerer comes fully online faster, I guess

safe jungle
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I play as warlock because it’s got charisma as favored skill so you can also be a face

simple spire
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For the main I feel weird not playing as a charisma character, yeah

visual copper
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being social focused on your MC is as usual a good idea, yeah

dusky bear
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im debating weather i should kill the satanic cow or not

clear kestrel
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I tend to do so

dusky bear
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good enough for me

neon junco
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I like to keep him as a friend

dusky bear
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you can make him a friend?

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he made my character shit himself

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spooky cow

neon junco
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Yea he can help you out as a summon late game

dusky bear
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ok the cow lives for now

simple spire
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If you kill him in Act 2 or 3 you can get a sweet hat

dusky bear
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hat...

simple spire
dusky bear
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oooh

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for fire stuff

dusky bear
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yall know the skeleton dog in act 2? can i keep her?

drowsy briar
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as far as i know

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sadly no

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never got to act 2 tho

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BUT you can make sure she doesn't fight in the boss battle

dusky bear
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ok

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imma try to figure that out

drowsy briar
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speak with animals works i think

dusky bear
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it does

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she likes pets vicksyAww

drowsy briar
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good :)

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send me a video of you petting her

dusky bear
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idk how to record that vicksyLUL

drowsy briar
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i see

dusky bear
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im being a bit of a murder hobo with the bad guys i think

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wasnt even my intention