#World of Darkness

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worthy sundial
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imagine if its just a reprint w/ better layout

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oh its a playtest

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mighty zephyr
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Yeah it's a playtest

worthy sundial
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i cant believe we're getting v6 before gta6

rapid glacier
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I’m more sad about Mage, was looking forward to earning the next version of the WoD PhD program

worthy sundial
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i mean itll probly still come out

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the questions just whether its before or after 6e

marble sorrel
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I'm kinda just expecting Changeling to be pushed back to 'basicly not happening but not officially not happening'.

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Which is frustrating as I'd rather 'officially not happening' than 'functionally not happening' because Storyteller's Vault's rules only allow you to update previous edition material if it's officially confirmed not happening.

mighty zephyr
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It's literally not

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It's after mage

marble sorrel
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...after they've announced a new edition? To be frank, unless it's already started, I'm very iffy on it turning up rather than 'Oh yeah, we'll do it after W6 and M6, as there's a new edition'.

mighty zephyr
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They announced it will be the most likely project after Mage, and again we have no idea if there's going to be a WoD 6th edition or if VtM is just getting a revised edition to compile disparate books and touch up the core

fathom haven
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I'm not a big fan of Beast: The Primordial (no sane person would be), but just reading the 2nd edition book, I enjoy the anti hero tones than whatever tf was going on in the first edition

marble sorrel
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Beast is kinda...muddled. It also suffers a lot from being designed very much as a 'crossover' book.

fathom haven
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That's extremely true

marble sorrel
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With the notable focus on 'other supernatural beings'.

fathom haven
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Idk I like the vibes, something about a monster that seeks kinship with other monsters

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It's just executed weird

marble sorrel
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Funny thing: Beasts exist in WoD, not just CoD...because they're a type of Changeling

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They're the 'dark mirror' of Tuatha-style Changelings, the Thallain.

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Changelings come from the Tuatha and Hopeful Dreams.

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Thallain come from the Fomorians and Nightmares.

fathom haven
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I LOVE Thallains, Ogres especially

mighty zephyr
fathom haven
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I should have specificed, 1st Edition beast

mighty zephyr
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There's also no 1st edition of Beast

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there's just Beast

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There's a slightly revised version of the core rulebook but that's about it, it's still the same book

fathom haven
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Fine

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Revised Beast

marble sorrel
# fathom haven I LOVE Thallains, Ogres especially

Ogres are fun. I do appreciate that while the stereotype of them is stupid they don't actually go 'Hey, -2 int' like a lot of games would. You can 100% make a Int 5 ogre. He'll still find subtle things a bit confusing (As noticing subtle things is his Bane) but he's not pidgeonholed into 'dumb brute'

fathom haven
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Mind you, I will always go into dumb brute because that's the most fun for me, but I do love it when the dumb brute is cunning as hell

clear delta
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oh voy was faster

fathom haven
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Revised Beast lol

clear delta
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Oh didn't know there was a revised corebook

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what does it change?

fathom haven
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So far, it seems like the tone isn't as

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Dark?

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It sounds less like you're a glorified abuser and more like you're an anti hero that weaponizes fear

clear delta
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batman

fathom haven
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Batman

clear delta
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that's cool

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I have interest in playing an astral fear monster, but it feels like the orginal would trigger me

fathom haven
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Plus if I remember right, I think the original writer of Beast ended up being a sicko

mighty zephyr
fathom haven
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Ah thank you, couldn't remember exactly

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And that sucks :[

clear delta
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He was co head writer on demon the descent too

fathom haven
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Damn

high current
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he managed to keep the 'being an asshole is okay and anybody who tries to stop you is the real asshole' stuff out of C20 and DtD, thankfully

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and like, Demon is actually a Game with clear goals for characters in the game, as opposed to Beast which kind of just says 'feed and befriend other splats'

fathom haven
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I need to be in a C20 game, I'm obsessed w Changeling but uh

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I've only actually played once

high current
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i didnt bother reading any of C20 at all until like october of last year

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and i almost started running a game of it shortly after but i went for V5 instead

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and now my wandering WoD/CofD hyperfixation has landed on nMage vvvSip but im full on games right now

fathom haven
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In the future, if you need players for a changeling game 👀 I would be more than willing

strong bronze
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No context for you

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fathom haven
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PFFFT

marble sorrel
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Changeling is a real ball of a game, though it's very much in the Vampire 'A lot of the game is about the character's personal troubles and politics' more than Werewolf/Hunter 'Hey, there's a Fucker, you're gunna kill the Fucker'

fathom haven
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I enjoy both types of games (thankfully)

strong bronze
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this hunter game is on hold for now

i do have some things planned

fathom haven
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👀

strong bronze
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but i am really bad at doing the in between of the things i planned

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so far the basics is

the group gets ambushed by a group of ghouls,trying to take out a rival vampire,who shoot up the restaurant they are in to cover up

if they survive,the vampire will somehow try to trick them into helping him take out that rival

and then

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....i dunno

marble sorrel
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...I am laughing really hard having just run some numbers.

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The Brisbane VTM LARP outnumbers the canonical 'Vampires per population'.

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Going by the book's benchmarks, with 40 people, that is nearly 50% above the 28 that '1 vampire per 100,000 people' would produce.

strong bronze
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to be fair

the canonical vampire per population assumes a perfect distribution to ensure maximun secrecy with no one going hungry

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which i dont think happens

anywhere

marble sorrel
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Oh yes, it's just kinda funny applying those numbers to non-American cities and realizing my small town primary school had bigger clases than the entire vampire population of one of our capital cities.

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By these numbers Australia's Capital City, Canberra should have...5 vampires, if you round up.

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That's barely enough vampires to run a game of vampire.

fathom haven
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The vampire game I was running has a secret pocket of Nosferatu in the sewer warrens that have been actively expanded, I want you guys to guess how many Nosferatu are down there :]

nimble gale
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not enough

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never enough nosferatu

fathom haven
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Technically correct lol

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Mind you, the campaign takes place right before the apocalypse

marble sorrel
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'The entire vampire population of this state can all fit in the same car' - Canberra Vampires

fathom haven
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Pfffftt

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Btw, the correct answer is 9,000

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Mind you, this is a good amount of Nosferatu from around the world, but they've all been pushed into L.A.

strong bronze
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jesus christ

upper tulip
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Has the fact they're likely play testing VTM 6th ed at Gencon been talked about here?

worthy sundial
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yeag

rapid glacier
vast blaze
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Paid my cabal member $200 to drink The Sludge

marble sorrel
fathom haven
strong bronze
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That is
50x the recommended population dann

craggy coyote
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yeah the camarilla isn't exactly reliably able to make every domain hit their preferred population metrics

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thin bloods, the lethality of punishment for legal embraces, sabbat enclaves, anarchs...

fathom haven
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Yep, all under the city of L.A., militarizing themselves for the eventuality of a massive amount of Nictuku swarming the warrens

strong bronze
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Although iirc LA is noted to only follow that number loosely in snapshots

If you counted every vamp that lived on LA in a year it would be absurd

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Because the attrition number of people being turned and people dying daily due to competition is

craggy coyote
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a lot

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I think the anarch v5 book says more than half of all newly turned fledglings in the movement die in under a year

fathom haven
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Mind you, the city of my version of L.A. now has a Gangrel prince, the Ventrue and Tremere have been driven from the city, with a few exceptions, the Anarchs and Camarilla (at least with this new Gangrel prince) are working far closer together as there have been rumors of an ever growing presence of Sabbat, and the apocalypse is only about a year and a half away, so more and more Garou are showing up as well

nimble gale
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"Man why is everything happening in LA?" "The player characters are here, of course it's all happening here." "... Random Malkavian what the fuck are you talking about"

fathom haven
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The final battlefield of the world will actually take place in Yellowstone National Park

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When the Antediluvians are trapped under the sway of something much, much worse

nimble gale
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I bet Kupala did this

fathom haven
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Technically it's the Wyrm itself

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I should say

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The "Wyrm"

nimble gale
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ooh?

fathom haven
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The players, along with the Garou and Fera, will have the opportunity to free the Wyrm from the web of the Weaver, returning it to the state of the Wyrm of Balance

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If they fail, there's uh

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Gaian failsafe

nimble gale
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oh boy

fathom haven
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An umbra bomb, with enough Wyld energy to jumpstart Gaia's heart, and unfortunately, the repercussions are good for the Garou, even the changelings! But little else

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Kindred now can walk in the sun, and no longer hunger for blood, but they have strange new forms,and still must contend with their beast, mages are now energy filled flesh beasts that inhabit only the most desolate areas, and Mummies, Ghosts, and Demons are just

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Seemingly gone

clear delta
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Oh yeah, the beasts can create minions
It's kinda funny. You leave detritus in someone's dreams (trail of slime, scales etc) then fight with your horror to stop it from reabsorbing it, the incubate the detritus into a monster

mighty zephyr
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Or you have you and another beasts horrors fuck and make babies

rapid glacier
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alright got home from work and got my ticket for the VtM playtest handled

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now the waiting starts

upper tulip
rapid glacier
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oh I'm full of opinions already, I don't think V5 needs anything other than an updated corebook, personally

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but their admission that the 5th edition design philosophy not letting them make Mage? I have to know what that's about and what they believe might change with a new edition

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5th is the best WoD has ever been, having played VtM and WtA over several chronicles, so I'm very curious to hear why changes were made as much as what the changes themselves actually are

upper tulip
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The real question is how much of a change v6 will be

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Is this their attempt at a restructuring? Or a

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Full V20 to V5 change

mighty zephyr
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We have no idea yet

nimble gale
rapid glacier
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they gave a presentation, I don't have a recording just someone transcribing notes, but that's the rumor

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M5 didn't work with the resource dice mechanic, specifically they couldn't reconcile Quintessence, but I don't know what that means

nimble gale
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Mmk. Thanks! A little is better than nothing and it gives stuff to ponder

rapid glacier
upper tulip
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My real only hope for a 6th ed is we get another mummy, finally

rapid glacier
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if they have a better framework to make new gamelines, you just might

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although uh don't get your hopes up, the 90's WW publishing power was insane, and it takes an entire gameline's worth of resources just to get even one corebook published now

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unless Paradox buys a publishing company, they're probably sticking with the 4 or 5 big name ones

mighty zephyr
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Yeah the reason we have most of this supplemental material that doesn't really hold weight for most of the setting is because instead of "one big book drop", WW had to just print shit constantly or they'd die

craggy coyote
# rapid glacier but their admission that the 5th edition design philosophy not letting them make...

Ok if I I had to bet;
V5's focus on increasing die mechanics, the nature of apardox, and the struggles to streamline disciplines effectively would all be magnified in M5.
As a point of reference, look at the struggles with making Necromancy and Obtenabration in to one discpline.

In attempting to streamline every sphere, and giving it concrete powers, you'd both lose a lot of the flexibility that defined mage, potentially alienate long term fans who you need to get new people invested, and you still have to figure out if paradox is a thing that just increases based on where you are, how much you're, doing, or both.

That'd be a decision that puts a lot of onus on the GM, when the WOD 5 line tends to have the ST exert tension on players, and let the players decide if they want to commit resources that make future rolls have a higher chance of something going kaput

mighty zephyr
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I don't think they'd need to make concrete spheres that you had to pick

craggy coyote
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What's your full take on the issue then?

mighty zephyr
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Iunno, I don't know what they mean

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cuz I feel like Mage is relatively easy to do if you don't give a shit about minutae

high current
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yeah i kinda had a feeling quintessence/paradox would be hard for them to make work with the resource dice stuff tbh

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making spheres work with the new rules is less of an issue cause like, look at W5 and H5

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my best guess for how they would have handled the resource die thing is similar to how H5 does it, make it Paradox Dice, only rolled when you're doing magic about something, and probably say a paradox crit causes backlash or something along those lines

rapid glacier
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Make Quintessence like a separate willpower tracker, it’s not like Mage had humanity issues unless they tried to add one into the game

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Does Awakening have something like a humanity tracker?

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I imagine if the other lines for 5th were any indication, they were taking inspirations from it

clear delta
marble sorrel
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Awakening has Wisdom, which is your 'Wizards.jpg' chart.

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The more you just Do Wizard Shit when you could have done it mundanely, the more it's vs wisdom.

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You're in an argument and you use your Mighty Arcane Powers to prevent yourself getting owned by facts and logic by mind controlling the other guy? Big Sin vs Wisdom.

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Less becasue you're a dickhead and more because you're using your magic for things that you could have just Been Normal about.

nimble gale
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wizards are pathologically incapable of Being Normal About Things

clear delta
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Also wisdom helps contain your passive magic aura, which affects your life abd those around you

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Wisdom 0, your soul cracks and magic overtakes you, leaking like a broken sieve

marble sorrel
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Mind you, Silver Ladder don't really care much about wisdom beyond 'not 0'

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Because they are also incapable of Being Normal About Things

rapid glacier
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That sounds ripe for being imported into the new designs, maybe that was one tracker too many

marble sorrel
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I think it's one of the areas that wouldn't go so badly, yeah. It's not like say, trying to drag CoD changling back into WoD changeing.

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I imagine how 5(6?) changling will work is moving the Nightmares dice in the place of where Vompure puts hunger etc.

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Though I'm not sure.

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As changling has a 'add this to your rolls for more chance of fuckup' thing in nightmare

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But that's...nothing to do with your resource.

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Glamour is entirely distinct from Nightmare/Using one doesn't fuel the other.

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So it wouldn't be a perfect match how hunger/fury are used.

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You also have the tricky fact that unlike vampire feeding, changling feeding is...good and helpful.

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Inspiring someone to creative work or engaging in introspection about your own emotions are healthy, not things that risk 'Oops, I killed a guy'

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Changelings do have a 'I fucked a guy up' feeding option but it's more like Amaranth than 'I fed too much', a thing you have to deliberately choose to do.

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I think the trickiest part of making changeling work with 5/6 with their prefered dice setup is that by default, they don't have that 'You're fighting the beast/your internal anger' aspect. Changelings are, next to mummy, one of the most 'Yep, I'm a functional person' spats. With the issue being the world sucks. They don't tend to have any 'I'm risking control of my powers' unless they go all the way into Unleashing.

rapid glacier
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Surely they have some kind of burnout, you can’t live in WoD’s setting and not feel some kind of pressure and have a breakdown once in a while

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Not sure what it’d be, I’m not a changeling player but dollars to doughnuts they’ll draw some inspiration from the CofD version and take some lessons learned there

pure mauve
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CofD Changeling is fundamentally a different game about different things. It's about recovering from trauma and abuse, where WoD Changeling is about the world losing its whimsy.

mighty zephyr
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I still think it's easy to use Lost to iterate on Dreaming

clear delta
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Ctl clarity is your ability to cope with your trauma abd keep your grip on reality

valid merlin
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One thing I found fun about Clarity is that it also gets dinged by stuff that isn't even bad necessarily but does shake up your routine

marble sorrel
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I really don't see how you'd use lost for dreaming design as they're fundamentally different games and like...I'm also not sure why you'd want to. They're trying to tell very different stories and lost stuff would just muddy the waters.

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Like what would Lost even Add that Dreaming needs?

marble sorrel
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Pray the Fae Away is still perhaps the single most 'on the nose' WoD has ever gotten (Approving)

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Which is also sorta why I lean heavily against the idea of mixing in Lost. Adding 'You were the victim of abuse and it made you this way' to the strong LGBT themes of dreaming would...come across unfortunately.

mighty zephyr
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We have relitigated how I think you can meld the two dozens of times at this point

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I dont really wanna go into it but I will state its doable and I would be happy to explain it to anyone else who would listen

clear delta
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I'm curious

mighty zephyr
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I think it's fairly easy with some minor rewrites to both put the Gentry and the Lost versions of Changeling (people taken by the Fae) into Dreaming without really changing the major themes of the game. I think the option to play someone who has been abused by the system so thoroughly that they have broken is a good counterbalance and groundedness to the ethereal and lackadasical loop of Dreaming. It gives an additional layer of depth to the setting conflict, as "Whimsy to the point of losing sight of reality" has a real and immediate playable victim.

I think, overall, melding the two and playing up the interplay of "Humans turned into Fae" and "Fae turned into humans" could fix a lot of the problems Dreaming had overall that kept it held back somewhat.

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Oh dope

rapid glacier
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I’ll bet we’ll get a revised(heh) playtest after GenCon feedback

drowsy fulcrum
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Wrong chaaaat what the FUCK

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XD

vast blaze
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What do you lot reckon the Technocrats would be up to in an Apocalypse scenario

nimble gale
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As in WtA apocalypse or general world-ending situations?

vast blaze
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Werewolf, but it's like a more generic world-ending situation that's just Wyrm-flavored

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One big cataclysm that the Big Bad Wyrm is responsible for after gathering up enough influence and weakening Gaia enough

nimble gale
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They're either coopted by the Weaver or are having a thousand nameless desperate last stands trying to save what of mankind they can, depending on if you view the technocrats as a pure villian faction or not

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well, okay

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they might be fully coopted by the wyrm if you follow the 'higher echelons are nephandi' plot

vast blaze
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Forgot about that tidbit

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I don't feel like all of the higher echelons are nephandi tbh

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A not-insignificant amount for sure, but all just feels excessive

nimble gale
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honestly you're probably looking at a technocratic civil war if there's any nephandic taint up there, with Friends of Courage and similar against control-loyalists

vast blaze
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Likely, yeah

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I'd imagine a good few would end up defecting to the Traditions just so they can at least try to preserve humanity a little more effectively

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Separate themselves from the civil war wholly so they can focus on their actual core objective of "keep humanity going"

nimble gale
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Probably not full on traditional defection but effectively seperate out into a Craft, like Navalon

vast blaze
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True

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I mean the Void Engineers might, I heard they've been teetering on the edge of defecting for ages

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But I'd imagine if nothing else they'd set aside their war on reality deviants for just a bit to focus on just keeping humanity alive

nimble gale
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you'd think the technocrats would learn one day not to name a convention the 'X Engineers'.

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they keep defecting

vast blaze
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"These fucking assholes won't let us make cool shit, we're gonna go to the side that'll let us make giant robots and lasers and dual chainsaw earrings with wifi and bluetooth and cup holders"

nimble gale
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Is Threat Null involved in this version of the apocalypse at all?

vast blaze
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Unsure yet

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I don't think they'd be involved with the apocalypse itself, but I'd imagine they might use it for their own ends

nimble gale
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legit

clear delta
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Butterfly of entangled lives (taken from Project Moon)
Supernal being/entity
Imp, rank 5, Space and Time 5, mind ?, death ?
Representation of how one's history and relationships can bind them. The chains of others, the regrets and nostalgia of the past, the overwhelming and easy to lose sight of present, the dread and anticipation of the future. All of these tie down the soul, even when distant from others
Virtue: Ruthless
Vice: Attached
Ban:
Bane: The clothes someone had when abandoned or cast out, stained with their blood
Appearance: An underdeveloped butterfly trapped within a caul/cocoon, its body wrapped spooled in crimson and its wings burned. Echoes of it are seen around it at times. Its cocoon can be rearranged into shapes, and its ruined wings into blades.
Trial: The demon creates a maze out of space time, with parts of it made from one's history and relationships
Boon: Deciding between
May bestow immunity to sympathy and temporal alteration for 5 days.
May perform a "cut" in the past or present, or set it to happen in the future. It can be a literal cut or sever a sympathy

pure mauve
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...speaking of project moon and butterflies, where would you put Funeral of the Dead Butterflies? Some part of me wants to say "geist" and then immediately rejects that as stupid. But it... feels like a death-adjacent Spirit? Maybe?? It cares immensely about making sure deaths are properly mourned.

clear delta
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Goetia is good enough for most abnormalities, I think

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Even so, death spirits do exist

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And geists are mini gods of death

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It can be done multiple ways

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Though a geist is unable to socialize with people like the Funeral of Dead Butterflies does

pure mauve
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I still need to beat LobCorp and play the other Project Moon games so it's very probable I'm missing important details.

clear delta
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Okay so. First, abnormality is a mistranslation that caught on. The term phantasm is closer to the Korean original
There's a big revelation about abnormalities in lob corp, ||which is that all the abnormalities/phantasms are beings from human thought, extracted into being by lobotomy corporations after they discovered how to mass produce them, as the natural birth was very rare||

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Neat idea for mage in são paulo
There are a lot of cameras here, and it is noted mages find the city too large to claim territory, so they maintain networks of data gathering to find Mysteries.
So gonna have a weird supernatural electronic network that mages can tap in

clear delta
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corrected version
Butterfly of entangled lives (taken from Project Moon)
Supernal being/entity
Imp, rank 5, Space and Time 5, mind 3, death 3, fate 2
Representation of how one's history and relationships can bind them. The chains of others, the regrets and nostalgia of the past, the overwhelming and easy to lose sight of present, the dread and anticipation of the future. All of these tie down the soul, even when distant from others
Virtue: Ruthless
Vice: Attached
Ban: The clothes someone had when abandoned or cast out, stained with their blood, can temporarily block the entity's movement
Appearance: An underdeveloped butterfly trapped within a caul/cocoon, its body wrapped spooled in crimson and its wings burned. Echoes of it are seen around it at times. Its cocoon can be rearranged into shapes, and its ruined wings into blades.
Trial: The demon creates a maze out of space time, with parts of it made from one's history and relationships
Boon: Deciding between
May bestow immunity to sympathy and temporal alteration for 5 days.
May perform a "cut" in the past or present, or set it to happen in the future. It can be a literal cut or sever a sympathy

strong bronze
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watched it

they were somewhat right

olive citrus
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ugh that 6 dollar mage20th looks so enticing.. but the horror stories I've heard about it.

nimble gale
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It's worth a read just to experience tbh

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phil brucato used it to win a lot of forum arguements but there is a certain... house of leaves-esque feeling to reading the tome

clear delta
spice abyss
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Welcome to Brutcato

nimble gale
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yeeeep

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this is the guy who insists on being called 'Satyros' in books he writes.

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Any book he's not a (lead?) writer on he's just Phil Brucato

high current
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the guy who complained about not having enough page count, and then put in several half-page sidebars about memes, and what kind of food you should eat while playing, and what kind of music you should be listening to

fathom haven
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Idk if you guys have seen City Council of Darkness, but, I am fucking obsessed with Darkness Man

patent stirrupBOT
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TBF the music thing was somthing that was in every WoD book in the 90's and also not that rare for RPG books of the era in general

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But also that should be somthing that's put in after all the relavent rules for the system.

clear delta
nimble gale
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In RPG Forum Culture of the late 90s and early 2000s it was not discouraged to tell devs that they were wrong if the information wasn't outright in a book

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(especially if they were actually wrong)

clear delta
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I see

patent stirrupBOT
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Yeah "then why did you not put it in the book" was a mild form of it

nimble gale
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Additionally Phil was very aggressive on forums about his 'correct' vision for MtA

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so he got into a lot of arguements about it frm people who disagreed with him

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so he had a big backlog of arguements to 'win' when he made M20

clear delta
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Bruh

nimble gale
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mm hm. He's a bit petty

mighty zephyr
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If you read a lot of his FAQ it has two main questions and answers

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  1. "Why did you keep (this outdated thing)"
    "Because I believe it was a core foundational thing for Mage that removing it would harm the essence of the game"

  2. "Why did you remove (this thing from 2nd and revised)"
    "Didn't like it"

high current
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the half-page sidebars on memes and food are more egregious anyways imo

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the gall to go 'i needed to split M20 core into 3 separate books because they wouldnt give me more than 700 pages!!!' and then waste page space on 'haha memes amirite?' and 'its really important that the food you cook for your sessions conveys something about the plot'
(and also, instead of providing any actual info about Nephandi, just go 'you really shouldnt play evil characters in rpgs, it will make you evil irl too' and not actually explain anything about Nephandi auras, just put 'wouldnt you like to know?' in the aura table)

patent stirrupBOT
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Yeah a sidebar about music for game is all things consiterd a minor problem at worst and helpfull for folks who dont have much experince with goth music at best. the major problem is the fact that the core book dose not have the full rules of the game

daring hazel
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Does this thread include Chronicles of Darkness

clear delta
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Yes

patent stirrupBOT
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Yeah this is for all the WoDs old WoD, old new Wod, and new WoD

daring hazel
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Would it be weird if I ran a Chronicles of Darkness 1e game for my irl friends. Dont know what game

patent stirrupBOT
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We don't know much about CoD, but picking a game line first might be helpfull

high current
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dunno why it would be weird, you're allowed to run whatever games you want

daring hazel
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Im a very insecure person and need regular reassurance. It. Is honestly unlikely to happen but maybe it will

clear delta
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So, a mortals game?

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Or as a supernatural creature?

high current
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I personally recommend/prefer 2e but 1e is functional

daring hazel
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No if anything I would maybe do changeling.

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Ill leave it be. If i ever do try i will see about visiting here again

high current
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Changeling is actually one of the more functional 1e games iirc

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(functional probably isn't the right word here, but like, the core 3 all have some references to stuff from or attempts to recreate aspects of oWoD, Changeling managed to avoid that)

vast blaze
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Quick question, what's the most effective way for a Hound in the Dark Ages to get some quick revenge on someone without being obvious about it

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Some Harpy my lad commissioned for masterwork armor is spreading rumors about him after he didn't divulge sensitive information to her for free

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Even said "I'm not telling you this for free, but if you invoke one of those bonds you have me under I'll tell you, because at least then I'll have a good excuse for the head of my house", but that apparently wasn't good enough

vast blaze
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...well, the ST removed me for "metagaming", so never fucking mind I guess

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The metagaming in question being correcting false information in a post after I learned the actual truth

clear delta
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Checked out sanctum and sigil again
The spell to grab knowledge from a book to hide in people's minds is cool
Very douchey to hide in sleepers tho
Hm, there are merits for spirit/ghost guards, though not for other sorts of pacts regarding the entity working in the sanctum

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You could have them aid in libraries or workshops

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@orchid void did you have any particularly interesting sanctum?

clear delta
cold pivot
clear delta
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Thinking of a mastigos called Makyō, named after a kind of meditation sickness. Astral travelwr, prone to trouble with demons, hallucinations and astral bleeding over into her life
Could make Makyō a notorious mage who wrote some books/grimoires from hee experiences, and able to pop over with astral projection or space. A helpful npc who can pop in from time to time due to interesting mysteries, a trade favors with players

daring hazel
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Are wheels a correspondence rote

clear delta
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Funnily enough, I'm finding myself fascinated with the uh, management aspects in mage the awakening
Taking care of the team sanctum (magic base), the goods and services being traded, the favors between groups, cultivating magical areas and ley lines, crafting, writing books to contribute to academics and society, negotiating work from summoned beings
You can do a lot for the team by being the "merchant", crafter etc

clear delta
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Explain. You mean rote (spell) or symbol for spell?

daring hazel
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rote (spell)

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overthinking stuff vaguely related to mage the ascension

clear delta
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Ah I see

daring hazel
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also vaguely thinking about ars magica

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And the order of hermes and. just the spheres vs the various thingies in ars magica.

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imaginem+mentem = mind
herbam+corpus+animal = life
aurum+terram+aquam-lightning = matter
ignem+lightning = forces
vim = spirit+prime

correspondence sort of exists in the base magic system plus rego and inteligo effects
entropy doesnt exist
time doesnt exist

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not that there would by necesity be overlap. just thinking.

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I know they are not actually related. But World of Darkness has references to Ars Magica in it.

cold pivot
high current
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Tbf Ascension was originally envisioned as "Ars Magica but modern"

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Which is why it has so many references, and why ArM has the Tremere as House

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(with implications that there's members of House Tremere, especially around Transylvania, having dealings with vampires)

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And iirc House Tytalus had dealings with demons

daring hazel
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I know. Mostlt thinking about it in general