Warhammer and Such

[broken dew]

they get W against Necrons and their allies super elite warriors

[floral herald]

BFG is a cool game with some substantial problems

[thin ibex]

it makes sense to me that the mechanicus best could measure up against the imperium's best, since they're effectively a peer empire kinda deal

id kind of expect mechanicus foot soldiers to get walked through by the banana boys though

[main pagoda]

I know the phantoms are the ones normally done by like 2-3 living pilots but warlock titans are just pure ghost

[vital barn]

I don't think they have anyone who is Custodes-tier omnibroken but elite Myrmidons are at least peers in the noble art of blowing shit up, since an old Myrmidon has Custodes stats, more health, less armour

they're slower and have worse melee weapons but shoot a hell of a lot better

[pastel rampart]

Eldar titans are hilariously mobile, and their displacer shields make them very difficult to hit because it's all just a wall of glitter n' shit.

[broken dew]

Myrmidons are cool

[vital barn]

stomp stomp (clap?)

[thin ibex]

id love to see more eldar titan content in the current era

[main pagoda]

and the revenants are a single living pilot plus infinity circuit

[vital barn]

I would love a Mechanicus book about a city with a bunch of feuding Myrmidax temples in it

[thin ibex]

it seems like an aeldari titan is a big ass commitment for a craftworld to deploy

[vital barn]

do cultivator shit with the robot sects

[main pagoda]

yes

[thin ibex]

wuxia + mechanicus?

[vital barn]

it goes really well

[main pagoda]

they essentially never do it unless they have to and thats either in an unavoidable pitched battle or the defence of the craftworld itself

[vital barn]

"an old sage took his forbidden techniques and holed up in the mountains in the Great Red Wastes, go find him"

totally transferrable plot

learn how to circulate the motive force and see the future with prophetic algorithms and deploy your six arms to fistfight a custode

[main pagoda]

eldar titan clans are also fucking wacky

[broken dew]

mechanicus cultivation does sound fucking peak tbh

[vital barn]

you get to do the "building your lightsabre" scene but it's building your new reactor core before you ascend to become Combat Fridge

[thin ibex]

oh i didn't see anything about this in the lexicanum

[broken dew]

combat fridge 🙏

[runic swallow]

“A weapon from a more civilized age…”
“You mean this gun that irradiates the bones of your enemies so much that they glow through their skin as they die screaming?”

[broken dew]

beautiful

[dense wharf]

"The age was civilized, because the weapons were barbaric and no one wanted to fight. in fact, this is tame by their standards."

[main pagoda]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Titan_Clan

will say its old lore but still really sick

[thin ibex]

Oh nice

Am i remembering right, that the aeldari and drukhari can't use their most powerful weapons because they require unrestricted psychic power usage?

[main pagoda]

well they can use them but it tends to result in the nomming of the user

[desert jay]

Belatedly, what they need to do stop "okay we gotta worf the titan so the titan stops flattening everything" is have the titan in plots where some important building or whatever needs to remain intact so it has to fight around that

Maybe titan shows up as late reinforcements to a siege and it can clear out everything outside the fortress but the defenders still have to deal with all the intruders

[misty violet]

This is an especially valid concern when, as seems to be most often the case, the Titans are fighting a defensive campaign on Imperial worlds to begin with in modern 40k

And all the manufactories and communications facilities and even basic infrastructure are now irreplaceable

Like having the Warlord fire it's quake cannon into a hab block is one thing, but if the battle is happening around a delicate and volatile plasma-fusion power plant that's another

[thin ibex]

you dont see that aspect presented often; that titans are not precise instruments

[reef pagoda]

got nearly tabled lol, i think i shouldve used the iconarch and demagogues abilities more instead of squirreling them away on points with blessed blades, and my opponent advised me to keep my devotees back a bit more til they have time to mutate up so they dont get shredded (i think you should leave a few unmutated for objective purposes?) but they liked my paintjob :D

kill team is a lot more complex than i thought, i read the wahapedia core rules page but i dont rhink it mentioned equupment and stuff

[bright dove]

I like how Storm of Iron handles Titans. Which is to say that the Princeps fucked up because he wanted a kill on the Dies Irae. 😛

[thin ibex]

Which feels most "Urban Warfare in a Hive?"
https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/asM3C

Or

https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/c6FmS

[floral herald]

First one imo

[mental birch]

Fellow mechanicum weirdos

Anyone free to glance at my list?

[little bay]

very awesome

[quaint compass]

The Emperor's Geezers

[remote wharf]

Questiom. Do you prefer Melta weapo fire ms being show as blasts or beams?

[runic swallow]

Blasts, personally

Like, definitely a directed cone or beam, but not something sustained, just FLASH and then something is vaporized

[past sphinx]

fine gw ill make it myself

[pastel rampart]

Storm bolters my beloved.

[main pagoda]

I like to imagine them as having a variable nozzle type of deal going

[pastel rampart]

I put them all on my vets/honor guard because I want combi-weapons but don't want to fuss with tiny magnets so my solution is that the squad will have a cyber-cherub or servo-skull carrying a given weapon type (flamer, plasma, melta, grav) and I'm just gonna have it follow along.

[broken dew]

dual guns truly are some peak

also i need to get back to working on the art for my chapter

[past sphinx]

thats what they did in 2e, its canon

[atomic apex]

I like the heat blast style meltas in Dawn of War

[pastel rampart]

Blast because Space Marine 1 had it like a goddamn super shotgun and heck if that wasn't satisfying.

[upper bluff]

Blasts because we already have beam weapons with Volkite stuff

[wide veldt]

I do like that meltas have like

0 internal consistency

Across the setting lmao

[bright dove]

Blast because Jurgen get the melta.

[raven meteor]

Personally I am a fan of like
A spartan laser sort of flashing death lance

[misty violet]

See I always thought of them as like a big stretched out blowtorch flame, a continuous thin cone of heat

[wide veldt]

I always imagined it like a blob

[finite compass]

Intense and focused heat burst

Less visible beam but not like a real area of effect

It's not a spread weapon, it's a hole puncher

If that makes sense

Them being shotguns in Space Marine and Boltgun always bugged me

[raven meteor]

Yeah same
It's the Fuck One Thing Every 15 Seconds gun in my brain

[thin ibex]

I think they were a shotgun cause they needed something that hit harder than an astartes shotgun would, was iconic, and visually distinct

I honestly think most enjoyers of 40k don't actually know the astartes shotgun even exists

[raven meteor]

My mind was turned upside down recently by the knowledge that the votann apparently have fucking bolter shotguns,

How does that even work 😭
Like
8 small rockets firing in tandem going down the same barrel???

[finite compass]

Some sort of proximity-triggered release maybe

[junior summit]

nobody knows and it's not explained

[jaunty dawn]

I think I was most recently convinced that its shot mode is just a normal shotgun it just can also shoot bolt rounds like a slug

So effectively just a smoothbore bolter

[pastel rampart]

https://www.tfxktok.com/t/ZTBjqRVUU/

[thin ibex]

How many units can even have an astartes shotgun rn? It's just scouts right?

[upper bluff]

Out prayers have been heard kinda. Budget 40k Myrmidons

[sour sequoia]

The electropriest detach is fucking legit honestly

If they let you take that in Haloscreed its boutta enter The Cool Zone

[upper bluff]

Yeah but you'd have to use electropriests :p

Like we give the chicken walkers shit for being horrible points per dollar but the electropriests have them beat

[sour sequoia]

Nah electro priests are more points than their $$$

Both sydonian dragoon chickens are less points than their $$$, only the ironstrider is more

Both priest units also Do Something compared to the jezzail chickens lmfao

DEFCON 5 FELLAS DEV WOUNDS SPILL OVER AGAIN

GET THE ELF B GONE OUT OF THE TOOLSHED

[mental birch]

Trying to.figure out more colours

Hmmmm

[tired cairn]

I wonder how FNP works for fast rolling. Or if it just won't

Also, baffling data screed is a funny name. I like to think it's just really confusing and not literally hacking lol

(I appreciate it does something to non-vehicles)

[untold swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TpRuU0enOks?feature=share

I fucking love the Alpha Legion dude

[paper bluff]

You know, I just started using tomiya thin and the glue in the jar is rather than the squeeze bottle And I enjoy it. It took a sect to adjust to glue consistency and how dry and how to place it. But I understand now

[tired cairn]

With the little brush applicators? I don't think I've used plastic cement that was anything that didn't have those, huh

[rocky shale]

WRAITHKNIGHTS ARE SO BACK

[sour sequoia]

All elves must die

[rocky shale]

We can't force auto 6s so it's slightly less stupid

[sour sequoia]

We dont even have infinite shitmen anymore to keep em in check

[rocky shale]

Without auto 6s it's waaaaay less crazy

However...

Wraithguard themselves don't even have dev anymore

See, the dev wounds spilling over have me pondering stuff more like the chaos knight abominant

[vital barn]

new electropriest detachment kind of makes me want to run the full 60 electros but that requires me to find something else to score

[rocky shale]

In infernal lance that's 12 shots sus1 dev 3flat damage

[vital barn]

maybe battleclades

all servitor gang

[tired cairn]

Wait, did they make them spill over again?

[rocky shale]

Yes

Oh boy the knight rampager gets dev wounds on charge

[vital barn]

the one thing I do miss about electropriests is that you used to be able to take 20 fulgurites in a brick

which was not good, but was hilarious

[thin ibex]

they used to have impact mortals too didn't they?

I know they're hella niche in 10th, but did they ever see play at a high level anywhere?

[vital barn]

they've gone back and forth on stuff but the big ability they used to have but don't anymore is that when they wipe a unit they got a 3++

[tired cairn]

Oh hey, lone op gets a range added to it. That's neat

[vital barn]

so there was briefly a build in mid-8th where you took 20 and slung them up the board as fast as possible until they contacted a screen and became downright immortal

[thin ibex]

i vaguely remember the corpuscarii had some nasty combos with unlimited power palpatine stuff

[vital barn]

but it wasn't that good, it was just a kind of distraction carnifex

that if you didn't deal with would become way harder to deal with thereon

[rocky shale]

Knight tyrant giving a cover aura and having a gigantic dev wound gun is suddenly a lot funnier

[thin ibex]

i would like to one day play a fully themed mechanicus army all about the Motive Force, but not just spam like 3 units

[tired cairn]

Max squad size is now ten right?

[vital barn]

yeah

a shame

[thin ibex]

give me like 1 tank and fast mover for electro lads

and a hero, and boom

can play full electro disco

[tired cairn]

Yeah, the non-skitarii half could use some more units. Though I'm pretty eh on most of the aesthetics of that half in 40k outside the non-electro-priest tech-priests

(though battleclade servitors do look good)

Is this a joke about cameras stealing your soul?

[vital barn]

that detachment does look like a fun time

techpriests are quite cheap and you can have a decent number of them

[mental birch]

Just give rules to heresy mechanicum pls

(It wont happen but i can cope)

[fossil violet]

Really mulling things over as I'm in the middle of my admech army building lol

time to invest in electropriests I suppose

[thin ibex]

hey dark mechanicus has a sliver of a chance at being real in 11th, you never know

though would be nice to get new stuff for votann

[tired cairn]

They semi-recently got new stuff

But yeah, they and the other new chaos ranges new expansions

[paper bluff]

Yes

[sour sequoia]

Buy only staples until like, 3-4 months after 11th drops

Everybody rush buying rn is gonna be real egg on face in august

I’m also seeing 3 other rules leak translations that say devs specifically dont spill

So I might’ve just chicken little’d this chat, oopsie doopsie

[tired cairn]

I suspect it's like they are now then: dev wounds on weapons don't spill, but mortal wounds from other effects do

[rocky shale]

They might? I had someone mention that the wh+ game mentioned it

But it may be your fear of elves

[sour sequoia]

Those commentators were also fuckin up stuff we know about 11th. I do not respect wh+ commentary

[rocky shale]

True

Let me dream of spillover rampager hits

[sour sequoia]

I’m sure they’re lovely people etc etc but I will say 95% of wh commentators are. Very bad at rules

In Skaredcast We Trust

[rocky shale]

False alarm I found someone who speaks french

No spillover

[fossil violet]

I figured this was the move at the end of the day. Given how slowly I'm working I probably won't be done with my pile until August anyway

[wide veldt]

Some good space wolves slander i found

“Name animals to failure” is kinda killing me as an exercise tbh

[tall depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqusK8WABe4

[upper bluff]

You know what I was really surprised by with the new 11th detachments? The fact the Votann didn't get a grimnyr related detachment in the same way librarians and tech priests get a detachment

I don't think 10th did a very good job at making grimnyr anything more than a dwarf in a cloak with arbitrary abilities. I was hoping for something to finally explain what they do besides "commune with the Votann"

[untold swallow]

They're afraid of saying their space dwarves have magic

[tired cairn]

Are memnyr in the same category? If not, I guess it's somewhat reasonable to not make a detachment around a single character model

[sour sequoia]

GW's still definitely figuring out faction identity for votann

[soft willow]

Beyond just "Plays really normal 40k"

[sour sequoia]

They’re a lot better than they used to be!

Everyone thought they were slower tougher marines and thats so decidedly untrue this point

[thin ibex]

They're like a... point blank shooting army, that's both hyper mobile and super slow

I guess they're hyper mobile until you take their wheels

[upper bluff]

Their identity right now is "has sick robots" which is honestly fine

[thin ibex]

They're very close to being a dedicated mechanized army rn

[upper bluff]

Which is honestly kinda sick imo.

[sour sequoia]

Dedicated mechanized army for sure, short ranged combined arms, and the codex army rule means they’re kind of unstoppable if your gameplan is to take points early and bunker down.

They are best in the game at taking a hill from you, and then never ever letting go

It’s ostensibly Honest Warhammer but you have to develop some very strange play patterns to deal with em and learn how to move fights away from objectives

[thin ibex]

weirdly you can counterplay them by not objective sitting and by killing their wheels

I do think some of their weapons are weird for their range

but like, it makes mechanical sense

just that a a rail rifle and a rotary gun feel like they should be longer range

[sour sequoia]

It is however, extremely funny they can dump exterminatus level firepower at the volume that they do in these super tall metas

The nightbringer itself walks up centerfield cutting through legions of mortal soldiers and shrugging off ship to ship weaponry

1 Votann Car drives up to the tailgate and hits it with the full force of the sun, the bus driver doesn’t even hit the brakes

[thin ibex]

I've decided to ditch my Tau Nar in crusade, it's too polarizing. The question is to stormsurge or not to stormsurge

[subtle shard]

Hey, weird question, I know, but I played 40k like 10 years ago with necrons, and had thought about jumping back in to at least try the mechanicus. I have a simple question: Is there any way to grant a normal (as in, non named) character any kind of regeneration or healing? Back in ye old days most CG units had one but I've been away so long that I kinda get lost looking throgh a modern datasheet

[pale narwhal]

the tyranids have an enhancement that lets you heal in one of their detachments I think? but it's fairly rare (possibly less rare now than it was with 11e around the corner)

[subtle shard]

Oh I meant in the mechanicus

I know Cawl has self healing, but that's big daddy Cawl, and I usually prefer nameless CGs

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah 10e removed all the healing from admech

So its just the enginseer who can heal (they can choose themselves) and cawl who has a rehen

[subtle shard]

Thank you very much

I guess I could customize a skitarii marshal to say "Yeah, it's totally an enginseer 👀 "

[floral herald]

What is CG in this context?

[jaunty dawn]

Command group I think?

[subtle shard]

Ah, I was using the old spanish terminology without realizing it was spanish

HQ

[jaunty dawn]

Ah makes sense

[still warren]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qngawnvx/chronicles-of-ruin-the-steel-baron/

Turns out it's an anchorite shrine without the spikes on the inside

[pastel rampart]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3115160/Warhammer_40000_Boltgun_2/ Demo

Steam

Warhammer 40,000: Boltgun 2

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Release Date

2026

[rocky shale]

Monolith but fast...

[pulsar cairn]

neat

new character added

and its a battle sister!

[pastel rampart]

Haven't touched the demo but reports indicate it's more of the same which is a little disappointing.

[pulsar cairn]

sad to hear that

i played neither of them but i thought folks liked the first one at least

[thin ibex]

people do like the first one, its a barebones doom-like in warhammer

the second one should kinda be broadly similar, im guessing people were hoping for more features/content or maybe new mechanics in this installment

[pulsar cairn]

right

[reef pagoda]

so far the slide and melee make the battle sister feel a little more fluid than blueberry

compared to the first game i mean, idk if he got additions too

[jaunty dawn]

I might pick that up just to sister around

[pulsar cairn]

you think they'll be best friends?

[thin ibex]

It's 40k, so probably as best friend as two hyper dogmatic zealots can be

[pastel rampart]

My point of contention with Boltgun is how bullet sponge-y a lot of the enemies are, levels being big but also kinda same-y, and that said level design makes finding enemies annoying because they have a habit of squirreling away in some fuckass corner or pipe.

[thin ibex]

United in they're purpose to kill loads of stuff at all times

[pastel rampart]

Also that there's little reason to search for secrets because it's the same like 5 of them every level.

[thin ibex]

No disagreement there, I think the level design was an issue for me too

[pastel rampart]

It's also not a boomer shooter okay it's a Doom 2016 clone, people gotta get this shit right.

[jaunty dawn]

Not having played already probably would help it being not totally stale instantly

[pastel rampart]

Probably, but I didn't finish the first one because by chapter 2 I felt I'd seen everything the game had to offer and I wasn't terribly impressed.

[jaunty dawn]

Valid

[thin ibex]

i should not have played on hard, cause it leads to some like... not engaging frustration

where like i hit a checkpoint at 3 hp

[sour sequoia]

You pretty much did tbf

[pastel rampart]

Once you get to nurgle enemies the bullet spongeness ramps up and it stops being fun.

[thin ibex]

i did like the way it kinda modeled toughness and str

to encourage using the right weapon for the job

[sour sequoia]

Warhammer games prior to vermintide/SM2/Total War were preeeetty much shovelware

[thin ibex]

whatre you talking about, fire warrior was cough great cough cough

my childhood self loved that shit, but it was not a very good game

[floral herald]

SM1 and Dawn of war were pretty good

[thin ibex]

i think my childhood self was infinitely more accepting of the jank

also yeah, SM1 and DoW were classics

countless hours into dark crusade

heck, dow2 was a completely different experience and still real good

[jaunty dawn]

Im thinking that when artis opus mini colour arrives im gonna try and work on my kroot

And play a lil 11e with my kroot

Kroot kroot kroot

[bright dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1407887752648986755/1509942487328886795/image0-5-1.jpg?ex=6a1b0306&is=6a19b186&hm=355ebf1cea0fa55de7f67f4fe42ac3682746789516ae470d1f8d7176c006c6f5&

[little bay]

erebus boutta have his ereass beat

[thin ibex]

ive been trying to make blue kroot with some contrast paints

but its not working the way i hoped

[sour sequoia]

Whatcha shooting for

I think if you get a less neutral basecoat then blue gets more interesting

[thin ibex]

i was trying to get the flesh to look more natural, i did a sort of zenithal and then ive been slowly layering a blue contrast paint on, but its just too thin

[sour sequoia]

Skin picks up a lot of the color of whatever light is hitting it

Natural means you kinda need to decide your light source and highlight towards it, shade towards its opposite

Usually means doing a buncha pink/red undertones on skin and highlight towards ice yellow

[thin ibex]

well rather than skin tone, remember they're blue chicken men

blue chicken men with off white/pale blue bellies

i think im gonna do orange spines/beaks

[tired cairn]

https://bsky.app/profile/lastpositivist.bsky.social/post/3mhfm4a2gtt2m

(@lastpositivist.bsky.social)

New model introduction in 40k has a commanding officer explaining that he thanks the soldiers for their efforts but at this point we're just throwing lives away for a world that is already lost and is no longer even capable of producing anything, so he's arranging evacuation transports for them...

Bluesky · Mar 19, 2026, 8:40 AM

https://bsky.app/profile/lastpositivist.bsky.social/post/3mhfm4a32et2m

(@lastpositivist.bsky.social)

-# ↩ (@lastpositivist.bsky.social)
... that guy is, of course, immediately shot in the back. As he drops dead the next chap steps up and explains that there will be no cowardice, no evacuation, and no surrender. Naturally no actual counter-argument is offered re all the reasons that retreat is rational. Love this setting so much

Bluesky · Mar 19, 2026, 8:40 AM

Setting question, is one of these in particular true

• Most Imperial citizens can read
• Most Imperial Guardsmen are taught how to read when they are inducted
• The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer is actually a picture book

[thin ibex]

whats the benchmark for 'can read' and does it include some sort of milestone specific to Imperial Gothic

[tired cairn]

I guess being able to read the primer lol. And probably just low gothic?

Are there different scripts between high and low gothic?

[quaint compass]

Yes

They are functionally two different languages, though linguistically similar enough

Low-Gothic also covers any non-official language, which is what High Gothic is

And if you go by the RPGs, literacy is a coin-toss afaik

Depending on the system and edition, you may have one literate person, or everyone knowing how to write in low-gothic.

[main pagoda]

I think outside of like death worlds and feudal worlds reading and writing to a basic degree is fairly common

and if you are inducted into the guard I imagine that they are brought up

[quaint compass]

They should be brought up, at least the officers

But the Imperium has never been much for education

[main pagoda]

probably depends alot on how badly needed the regiment is which tends to always be very

[quaint compass]

Ignorance is strength and all that

[tired cairn]

Unless you are an orphan 🤔

And you'd think there would be lots of those

[quaint compass]

Well, that just means you got no outside loyalties

which means you are worth investing in 😌

Have to grab them before they start building their own life

[main pagoda]

new warhammer + plane animation is fun

[pastel rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv58EK2_1_M

[sour sequoia]

Last tournament of 10th edition babey

Lone GSC player here, free best in faction swag bag

[tired cairn]

Oh, is that why people still play Imperial Agents?

[soft willow]

Nah people play Agents now because one guy took them to top 4 at Adepticon.

[tired cairn]

That's pretty funny

[rocky shale]

People play agents because the models are cool and it's fun to spit in the eyes of God (GW) by playing the worst faction

[strong owl]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/birmingham-wastes-expedition-sample-pack

[mental birch]

Again played into outland claw

Again I went ooga booga hunting season

[past sphinx]

one of these sets got posted into the oldhammer subreddit and a bunch of humorless fucks went "well thats copyright infringement😢 😠 " very funny

[stark cypress]

Looks at the hundreds of !Notimperial Guard on Minifactory

Sure

For Pete's sake, there are even 3D prints that are 1:1 of old edition Elysians.

[misty violet]

Bro imagine being a GW bootlicker like this I really cannot imagine

[sour sequoia]

So I got the gsc mirror match

My host of ascension into their biosanctic

Fucking heinous boardstate. Zero fronts. Zero lines of combat. Fourteen madhouse riots every turn. Autopistols are killing 15 models per turn.

[mental birch]

Wild

Every time I get paired into either Eldar or GSC

https://tenor.com/view/elmer-fudd-elmer-bugs-bunny-movie-bugs-bunny-movies-the-bugs-bunny-and-roadrunner-movie-gif-4519111925178877670

[pine matrix]

Yay, more scrungloids!

[mental birch]

My retaliation inyo anything has no lines of combat

Just mysterious holes where things used yo be

[quaint compass]

What material would folks recommend to use for marking terrain areas in 11th?

It was thinking painted cardboard but it may be too slippery

[mental birch]

Cardboard is what GW uses though hmmmm

[quaint compass]

Just a bit very overly cautious,

[mental birch]

Floppy mousepads?

I guess?

[quaint compass]

Ye, but those are relatively thick

I guess I'll get some use out of my outdated datasheet cards

[mental birch]

Evrrything not slippery i can think of is a bit too thick hmmmm

[quaint compass]

Time for cast iron terrain pieces so they don't slide around easily

[sour sequoia]

Cannot wait for tetanus at the rtt cuz they dont sand the edges

[quaint compass]

Skill issue smh

[mental birch]

Exodite guardian

[vital barn]

new edition trailer actually very pretty and well animated

everyone looks great, and we get eldar, crons, Kastelans with their repulsor grids and a big angry titan

[desert jay]

Dang, a second trailer?

[vital barn]

we also get some shots of Emps on the golden throne

[jaunty dawn]

I guess they wanted one not limited to being a box set trailer?

[upper canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0hD3KBwoiA

[jaunty dawn]

damn yeah it is pretty good

and like

[desert jay]

Just watched it, actually a pretty good setting primer too

[jaunty dawn]

actually a legible teaser for the setting yeah

[upper canopy]

the last line kinda flops

i feel like

[vital barn]

yeah the narration is not quite as peak as the animation, partly because they keep changing it to remove some of the more confusing parts of the original opening crawl and it doen't scan particularly well

I do like the shot of the dying guardsman flashing into Big E on the throne and back again

I would also like to officially petition for the Admech to get to fight someone other than Necrons at some point

[vital barn]

I like fighting necrons but it would be nice to shoot something with meat at some point

maybe Nids

[mental birch]

Making exodite guardians for a 2e game nonsense thing

[vital barn]

I thought those were darkmech Skittles for a second

very pretty

[mental birch]

Exodites: why does this high fantasy elf guard have a rifle?

[desert jay]

Yeah they should've kept the original final line

There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.

(Which is still in, just not used as the last line)

[humble plover]

yeah thats been getting cut out of the crawl in newer books, and it just doesn't land right without it

[vital barn]

I think most of the edited versions of the crawl just don't hit as hard

[humble plover]

it rolls off the tongue soooo well

[vital barn]

"master of mankind by the will of the gods" is also better than "in a war between gods" despite the second being more accurate

[floral herald]

We gotta get the OG crawl back

[jaunty dawn]

belisarius crawl

[desert jay]

Yeah apparently that final line was in the OG

[jaunty dawn]

this is the tale/these are the tales sounds so silly. at least nowadays idk

[floral herald]

What they have is really close but I think the “and for whom blood is drunk and flesh eaten” section is tough as hell and it’s a shame they basically didn’t keep it ever

[jaunty dawn]

just cause of shows that did it

I mean I like like that it's silly but nonetheless haha

[floral herald]

they did have a subtle nod to it by having blood angels on screen at the time though

[desert jay]

And one oft-quoted version inserts another paragraph between the first and second of the original

The "Yet even in his deathless state, [...]" one

[desert jay]

I like the "... so that he may never truly die." version of that sentence the most, I think

[tired cairn]

Blood is drunk factoid is a statistical error. Average person in 40k drinks zero blood. Khorne, the Blood God, who lives in the warp and drinks the blood of unfathomable numbers of intelligent beings is an outlier adn should not have been counted.

[desert jay]

The blood drunk and flesh eaten really feels like an example of the setting marching on, Imperium didn't really keep that bit

[humble plover]

it does go very hard, but I feel it'd be really confusing to new folks nowadays who thought it was literal

[desert jay]

And also SMH still saying it's the 41st millennium, get with the times!

[tired cairn]

They still eat flesh, it's just been highly processed into corpse starch

(and there are definitely sanctioned cults that drink blood)

[tired cairn]

I think bringing that up gets you assassinated by the time Inquisition

[desert jay]

I am using the calendars provided and will gladly update all my records if given more accurate ones

[tired cairn]

Some Administratum clerk is going to update a calendar somewhere and doom millions of worlds because now they are all very late on their tithes

[misty violet]

I also think there's maybe too much of a whiff of something about Catholicism with that line specifically

Like it's supposed to be more or less metaphorical about the brutality of the Imperium as a theo-fascist pluto-bureaucratic civilizational fail state for all humanity

But it was also written in Britain in the 80s, and there's a lot more semi-direct political commentary, in the 2000 AD fashion, there

[desert jay]

Keep reading!

[misty violet]

That's what I get for plowing along at work trying to dip into a conversation, my bad

[desert jay]

No worries

That said I do actually think that dropping the "But the universe is a big place..." line is one of the positive edits to the original passage, it makes it much punchier to end that one sentence earlier

[misty violet]

Agreed, and that line has always felt a little amiss in the context of Warhammer being a miniature war game

[charred bridge]

Yooooo someone did Eldar justice for once. Seeing some sick protagonist sick ace combat moves where G forces vs a normal human jet fighter? These Eldar were just playing with the humans

[main pagoda]

yeah its so ace combat shit

you could put latin music over the eldar cockpit scenes and it would fit

[upper canopy]

Eldar cockpit scenes?

[rare turtle]

What are we think of tjis head ?

[main pagoda]

in the new warhammer plus animation

[upper canopy]

Oh

I thought it was the trailer

[main pagoda]

no no i was responding to sevens

[charred bridge]

Said clip
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/m2mbqpeghqM

I also love the cuts to the imperial pilots going "wtf is that bs" when eldar perform a weirdo maneuver that would kill a human but also puts the eldar right behind them for a kill

They really waited until the second the pilot ran out of ammo before taking the kill shot the real BM

[wide veldt]

https://youtu.be/l0hD3KBwoiA?si=tGemwNDL3YaXMtV5

This trailer fuckeds

So hard

I was really worried the gods in the title pf this trailer were gonna be primarchs ngl

[floral herald]

For the Eldar it’s just “combat shit”

[wide veldt]

Also im ngl they timed the “there is only war” thing perfectly

[quaint compass]

Just saw it

Honestly a good trailer for what I like about war and hammers

Proper battlecudgel representation

[main pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-ace-combat-ace-combat7-post-stall-maneuver-wyvern-gif-26902309

getting hit with this in your flying brick thunderbolt

[vital barn]

I think even Imperial aircraft have some bullshit AoA limiter stuff in Double Eagle, they're just not eldar-level bullshit

it's mentioned that if you don't at least have sci-fi magic thrust vectoring so you can do i-frame dashes you're dead meat

of course those guys had actually decent equipment and it's very possible that the export-model Thunderbolt can't do any of that

it's explicit that the O.G. model of the lightning strike fighter was way better than the current one, at the cost of only being reasonably pilotable by Space Marines and battle servitors

[main pagoda]

yeah its basically weird vtol that also has the ability to do wacky hijinks

[floral herald]

Digging this depiction of the gods

[misty violet]

It's very satisfying to see the Eldar actually get to be flat out better than one of their opponents at something, at least consistently

[quaint compass]

BIRDMAN

[main pagoda]

I think that eldar being the best in the air has kinda always been a constant and i wish we saw more in books

I just want more plane books

[vital barn]

my favourite Aspect Warriors have always been the ones that choose entire fighter jets as their weapons

sadly planes have sucked for several editions

[misty violet]

Yeah, the DEldar are in a similar position

Having probably my favourite single unit in the entire game, the Voidraven, that got be insanely good for an edition and a half or so as kind of the last gasp of viable flyers

[main pagoda]

Even eldar hover tanks are also wacky in terms essentially being fighter jets is cool as well

[floral herald]

I recently learned the actual lore for em and they’re tuff

Now it’s just the rocket launcher skeletons who rule being silly

[wide veldt]

My favorite depiction of one of the gods is still

[main pagoda]

I do like the idea that in AoS they are more "real"

while in 40k they are abit more abstract

[tepid stratus]

Yeah AOS lore has khorne physically punching a flying mage city out of the sky and slaanesh wiping out a khorne army with a swipe of their claw

[wide veldt]

The picture i just posted from soul bound really makes khorne seem like

[tepid stratus]

God's as physical entities works better in AOS when two thirds of them are running around the mortal realms

[wide veldt]

Completely unassailable

[upper canopy]

And yet I shall kick his ass

[pastel rampart]

It's a little funny that the trailer is one of the very few modern depiction of the Emperor circa the 42nd millennium.

There's shockingly little official art of him post-Heresy.

[meager quail]

Nurgle just looks excited to be here

[dense wharf]

Its nice to see confirmation he's a rotting decrepit thing

and the image of literal thousands of corpses falling into an hour glass to extend his lfie by moments goes hard

[upper bluff]

I really like the new trailer. I think it's neat that it has a lot of moments of factions other than space marines doing cool stuff

Seeing the Tyrannids with the massive pool of biomass and dissolving space marines in it while a swarm lord celebrates is sick

[quaint compass]

Some niche information for those who may make use of it
The datasheet cards you can buy are 7 and a half by 5 inches, allowing you to use your Angron datasheet to make one and a half terrain area markers for 11th edition

[upper bluff]

Make it an objective and you can have your armies fight over a giant cardboard cutout of Angron

[quaint compass]

No

I refuse to respect epic heroes or any primarch-type characters

[floral herald]

They got the boysssss

[quaint compass]

Angy

Weel angy

love 'em though

[misty violet]

I do love the depiction of both a Space Marine getting killed by Guardsmen and also just how long it takes for even like a dozen dudes with las rifles and grenades to take one down

[subtle shard]

Had his helmet on

[vital barn]

I he seems to be standing up after being grenaded last we see him, I think he'll live

[misty violet]

We see him standing back up but then getting shot by like six or eight dudes, which seems to be taking him down, but then obviously the rest of his squad shows up to bail him out

[vital barn]

yeah

really nice trailer, definitely made me consider getting back into 40k proper with 11th

helps that I might have some actual money to spend around then

[misty violet]

I do appreciate that GW seems to be really locking on to what makes 40k work and appeal to people

I feel like it's been sort of a long march back out of the initial Primaris release and a veer into something more heroic/less grimey

[main pagoda]

yeah its not becoming grimeless its becoming better applied grim if that makes sense

[floral herald]

Aura loss is as bad as death really

[main pagoda]

that man is not hearing the end of that for atleast a century

[quaint compass]

He took a krak grenade to the body

He's not hearing, the end

[main pagoda]

ah yes the data slate piss taking

[vital barn]

I think that's a frag or some kind of exotic grenade, kraks are the kind of thing that does more than cosmetic damage to power armour

if it was a krak it was a bit of a dud one

[quaint compass]

A dent grenade, then

[wide veldt]

Oh

That trailer got us actual modern art of emp

[finite compass]

I am increasingly annoyed at the insistence on depicting las weapons as basically star wars blasters

[raven meteor]

I do quite like the focus the 'bad guys' get in this trailer
Tyrannids clearing space marines on camera..... GW stocks down 50%,

[tired cairn]

Looking good for his age really

That trailer seems more grim than they have been for a while?

Though the 10th edition one with Guileman going "yep, we are definitely losing" wasn't terribly happy either

[junior summit]

they fly around in interceptor city doing ace combat shit because they're flying around inside a hive city

[sour sequoia]

Im so tired of crabs bro

I want off fulgrim’s wild ride

Faced coterie twice in one tournament

[charred bridge]

It also helps there's like dozens of minor gods that aren't the big 4 that are as active as the big 4.

Great Horned Rat my beloved beloathed

[tired cairn]

Isn't that one as about as big as the big 4 now in AoS (putting aside that Slanaash isn't doing so great)

[runic swallow]

Yeah he’s a Big Cheese now

[charred bridge]

I was thinking fantasy, but GHR did step up and almost beat chaos in end times like the funny goat he is

[tired cairn]

Oh, yeah fair

[charred bridge]

He deserves the spot

Along with Nagesh

I love how awful the gods can be and how like, present and characterized they are

[tired cairn]

Did the Great Horned Rat mess up his own plans to defeat the chaos gods more fully? It seems like a very Skaven thing to do

[charred bridge]

Surprisingly not this time, Nagesh ruined their plans iirc

[tired cairn]

Oh lol

[charred bridge]

They did get pretty far with their "plan" like blowing up the moon and such

[tired cairn]

I guess Skaven accidently wrecked Nagesh plans in AoS to compensate

[tired cairn]

How is that supposed to help 😅

[charred bridge]

Skaven never help anyone they just make it worse

[runic swallow]

Free warpstone baybeeeee

[charred bridge]

I think moon blowing up was an accident I'm not sure, iirc they wanted to mine the entire moon

[runic swallow]

Also you gotta admit that end times was a bit of a mess but the Steven blowing up the moon was great

[charred bridge]

And we'll skaven tech happened so it blew up the entire moon and covered the world in warps tone

[tired cairn]

... is skaven being obessed with warpstone and the moon being made of warpstone a "the moon is made of cheese" joke?

[charred bridge]

I didn't even think about that

[runic swallow]

Almost certainly

[charred bridge]

The absolute longest con by some fantasy writer

[runic swallow]

I don’t know if it’s been confirmed but I absolutely believe that was the intent

[charred bridge]

I love how skaven gnaw holes in AoS are like worse webway portals that make warp travel seem as dangerous jaywalking

So dangerous only skaven will use them

[main pagoda]

They do have the added by product of making both realms more unstable

Which you know a win is a win

[runic swallow]

Forget undermining cities, now they undermine the material plane

Mostly by accident

[charred bridge]

Warhammer Fantasy has some of my favorite evil assholes in the setting. Theyre just so unashamedly bad people there's like hardly any redeeming qualities like Nagesh and Skaven

And some of Nagesh's underlings

[main pagoda]

Kinda what's happened to the realm of fire

[charred bridge]

What happenedwtih them

[main pagoda]

With whom

[charred bridge]

The realm of fire

[main pagoda]

Oh the skaven have essentially begun terra forming it

It's in the Gunnar brand novel

[tired cairn]

Seems hard to make a place called "The Realm of Fire" to be worse, but I'm sure the Skaven will manage it

[main pagoda]

The realm of fire gets a bad rep

[bright dove]

The Realm of Fire is actually pretty easy to live in.

You want a place that's hard to live in, you go to the Realm of Life.

[tired cairn]

Oh, so it's Realm of Fire (comfy)

[main pagoda]

In some places

[bright dove]

Some places are fire fire.

[main pagoda]

There is actual like volcano hell scapes

But most is like normalish

[charred bridge]

Honestly anywhere else outside of Blight City is safer for the average skaven

[bright dove]

As ever, the number one problem in a Skaven's life is going to be other Skaven.

[main pagoda]

Any skaven within 10 feet of another skaven is not safe

[charred bridge]

Hey now skyre has ratling guns

And you're not safe within the same zip code as Thanquol

[main pagoda]

Any skaven within a 1 mile radius of a skyre invention is not safe

Thanquol is a boyfailure

[bright dove]

Look Skaven in general are never safe because they will get the desire for shenanigans.

[charred bridge]

Ironically one of their most deadly weapon to other factions, the ratling gun is one of the safest to skaven

[main pagoda]

Yeah? You shoot it then

[tired cairn]

"Safest to Skaven" is a low bar

[charred bridge]

It's mostly the ratling guns just either jam, overheat, or break in ways that just stop working which is pretty bad but that's pretty safe for skaven as this doesn't directly kill the user

[main pagoda]

While true the thing you were meant to turn into swiss cheese and is now very much not may have some word's on etiquette

[charred bridge]

Oh absolutely

Medieval tactics didn't count for dozens of machine guns

[main pagoda]

Nor cog forts

[runic swallow]

Honestly I’m shocked if one can’t go runaway, it just seems like something a Skaven machine gun should do

[main pagoda]

Or like flying demons

God being a cities swordsmen gotta suck just major ass

[tired cairn]

Is that bad for the user though? Or just anyone near them?

[charred bridge]

It probably could, but the user doesn't care as long as it doesn't friendly fire them. A few dozen other rats is acceptable cause a bullet hit an enemy

[tired cairn]

(I am a bit surprised they don't have a chance to explode though)

[charred bridge]

Best skaven marksman

[runic swallow]

I mean I’d assume it’s also just kinda spinning around wildly because Skaven

[main pagoda]

Look a dead skaven now is one that doesn't stab you in the back later

Thats a win in my books

[pulsar cairn]

i should read more fantasy stuff/AoS

[lost rock]

Weeks away from 11th edition I’m in a bit of a lull. I play mostly on tabletop simulator but I don’t know what faction to use meanwhile.

[pastel rampart]

Gotta do some sanding but overall, pleased with the result.

Cut in just 3 pieces too, so a lot less assembly than expected. Though some parts were only barely attached (like the engines) but nothing some glue didn't fix.

[deft crest]

SM2's take on it is my favorite. one really fast burst of plasma cone.

[sour sequoia]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/nhqt9wx3/new40k-rules-download-the-free-core-rules-now/

[floral herald]

Whoa already

[main pagoda]

"That’s not all of the rules we’re sharing from the Armageddon box here on Warhammer Community. We’ll have the Ork and Space Marines datacards from the box ready to download later this week."

[tired cairn]

They mentioned they were releasing the core rules last week! Though, if you don't have access to the new missions or deck, are you really playing 11th 🤔

Are they releasing the mission decks at the same time as the new edition box, or is that later?

[main pagoda]

I imagine so

[mental birch]

Probably week after

I'm getting the mission decks split out

Bababa

Starter has mission decks

[tired cairn]

I wonder if they will add the rotational movement costs back into the game or if they decided it wasn't worth it

[mental birch]

I'm doing up old school for a 2e game hahaha

[pine matrix]

I'd scheduled a 4 player game this weekend like months ago and now they've released these new rules but without the army rules with them lmao

And as has been mentioned, no missions

Also where the heck are the bookmarks in the core rule pdfs

[main pagoda]

they are not there

[tired cairn]

Just play with the 10th edition rules this weekend tbh

I don't think it is necessarily bad to release the rules before the official launch, even if it feels weird (someone on the internet speculated it is due to the leaks of the french rulebook)

[main pagoda]

yeah this is kinda clearly more of a "here have this to get used to the core rules before it gets fully released"

[pine matrix]

Yeah we'll stick with 10th

It's gonna be a bit of cluster fuck since none of us have really played any time recently

Gonna use the rules for 4 player free-for-all from the Malestrom books

[tired cairn]

huh, I guess damage is not fast-rolled still

[sour sequoia]

100% this release is for TOs to start briefing themselves on changes

Nobody else should sweat

[tired cairn]

Oh, huh. There is no terrain category that blocks infantry (etc.) movement

[rocky shale]

There wasn't in 10th either

[tired cairn]

I thought things like non-ruin buildings/hills did?

(in that you had to at least climb them)

[rocky shale]

I guess theoretically, though I never once saw someone play with anything like that

[tired cairn]

I have, just because I happen to have some terrain that best represented that sort of stuff

[quaint compass]

I would honestly have liked terrain like that. just a simple movement blocker.

[dense siren]

Did they change how fnp works with fast rolling?

[quaint compass]

Though I guess the terrain being entirely solid means you still have to climb it if you cannot move through the whole feature in a single move.

[dense siren]

I can't look at the moment

[quaint compass]

It's unchanged

afaik the changes to fast rolling is how to allocate save rolls when using different profiles

[tired cairn]

Yeah, they didn't change fast-rolling for damage (unless they got rid of variable damage weapons, which I doubt)

[dense siren]

Ah alright

[quaint compass]

How it works (from my quick-quick-quick reading) is that you make the saves in groups of the same profile first, then you order them, lowest to highest, working your way in the following order until there is no saves left to make:

1. Wounded Non-Character Models
2. Non-Character Models
3. Wounded Character Models
4. Character Models

[rocky shale]

The new save allocation really does suck for squads with a single 4++ or such

[atomic apex]

Didn't it already do that if it was the leader with the good saves?

[quaint compass]

Apply the Wounds until there aren't any in your current allocation group, and then continue into the next.

It wasn't formalized afaik

[rocky shale]

I'm talking like squads with one dude with a shield that isn't a character

[quaint compass]

Yeah, in those situations you make the 4+ unit a separate group but you can decide where in the order they are

[rocky shale]

You do make it a separate group but you can't make multiple groups of the rest of the unit to do like chaff>shield>special weapons>leader

[quaint compass]

Yeah no, that's still tough

You either hope you roll well enough that the Defender soaks enough if earliest or there aren't too many low rolls if later

However, this clears out Precision SO WELL

I still don't know how it works, properly

[tired cairn]

It is worse for hiding behind the shield guy. But good for characters

Precision is weird because it can result in an overall increase in damage

(because the low saves can kill the character, and then the higher saves can wipe the bodyguard)

[quaint compass]

I don't hate that, actually

[tired cairn]

It's weird that it is an increase in damage. But there isn't really any other way for it to work

Weird way to do things:

[floral herald]

It’s presumably to avoid invalidating old datasheets?

[jaunty dawn]

Yeah

I think the confusion kinda came up with the twin lances too

Cause they have pistols that arent [pistol]s and non pistols that are [pistol]s

[tired cairn]

Just errata them GW >:|

I find it weird its in the core rules, mostly

[jaunty dawn]

I think this is a more elegant way of refactoring the name tbh

[tired cairn]

I feel like they should have split the "can be used in close combat" from the "can only select CC or normal weapons", but w/e

[quaint compass]

Afaik that's a balance thing, so units which pack a sidearm suddenly don't double their fire-rate just because they didn't have a second (or even third) keyword

[jaunty dawn]

I mean if it was a fully digital rules system sure

Hmmb

[tired cairn]

I mostly mean conceptually they are different effects. So you could have a close quarters and sidearm keyword. Then pistol would just say they have both as the refactor

But I would also do the same thing with blast, but clearly GW doesn't consider it worth it

[quaint compass]

Oh i would definitely do that, but if you were playing Eldar, you'd have pistols which would have three keywords across the board

[tired cairn]

I think that's not a big deal?

[quaint compass]

It ain't, but also not a real issue since the game is balanced around sidearms either being a last resort or only options

[jaunty dawn]

I think there are game design positives to unrelated rules that are always linked

Fwiw

[tired cairn]

Alternatively, clearly what they should do is have you choose one ranged weapon per model by default and use extra attacks if you want to use more

[jaunty dawn]

Pshaw

No its very intuitive that guns and close combat work opposite each other for no real reason

[tired cairn]

lol

[tired cairn]

That's fair, but I guess it's easy for me to imagine things that would have these properties be unlinked that would exist in universe

Though the close quarters effect of being exclusive doesn't even apply to vehicles

[jaunty dawn]

I dont necessarily think that pistol is a good example though haha

I think more for blast you do get some amount of flavour from it

[tired cairn]

Blast is a bit better, yeah. Though partly I want it separated because "Danger-Close" would be cool sounding

[jaunty dawn]

De nesting rules is often pretty good at the same time though its a tricky balancing act

On that matter I think they shouldve split devestating wounds when they nerfed it!

Cause I feel like some weapons want spillover but could leave ignoring saves

And were given devastating wounds for that reason originally

[tired cairn]

Cleave would have been a good name for that instead of melee-only blast

[jaunty dawn]

Mhm!

[tepid stratus]

It wouldn't even be hard to introduce a "Splash" keyword

[rocky shale]

Dev wound spillover was crazy strong on basically anything it applied to so I don't see them bringing it back

[quaint compass]

I would love to do something crusade-esque with PilotNet peoples over TTS

I would also love to do that with pilotNet peoples in real life, but there are limits

[main pagoda]

im looking forward to what they are gonna do with crusade

[quaint compass]

Afaik it's a simpler system than 9th/10th

[floral herald]

That sounds fun

I’m a little overwhelmed by the prospect of tts 40K

I find tts kill team bad enough and it has way fewer pieces lol

[rocky shale]

TTS 40k is fine right up until there's a raised platform or you need to do tricksy movement

[main pagoda]

you do gotta accept the limitations

[quaint compass]

The number of pieces aren't the issue imo

It's the number of units and multi-weapon units

I've done far more 40k in TTS than any other game, but it is honestly a good time

Also what Turtlini said, you need the mouse control of a cat in a barn to move units quickly and without breaking fifty rules

In 11th edition related news, the index era datasheet cards can be cut and taped into terrain area with little effort

In related news, I need more masking tape

[sour sequoia]

<————fought nemo’s recon guard in TTS last week

Its Bad

Host vs Recon

[pastel rampart]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DZC1l-qoo6G/?igsh=NnVxMHA2c2o0M2I1

[quaint compass]

Finally, an affordable game board 😌

[mental birch]

Megamam?

[jaunty dawn]

Wheres the oversized ape flinging barrels 😵‍💫

[quaint compass]

goliath ganger

[thin ibex]

I don't know if this helps, but i've found hte community tools, the Forge, the 10th edition base board, and yellowscribe (built into the forge) to be very useful to simplify things

[quaint compass]

Those are 100% the only reason you can really get it going

[thin ibex]

Without it you kinda have to do a LOT of hand held record helping

[quaint compass]

I will say that Yellowscribe and the 10th Edition Table are a must

It goes from Agonies to Ease

[silk verge]

psycho wizard eater almost done

[native onyx]

ooo, very cool

[floral herald]

Yo wait

https://external-preview.redd.it/imperious-dictatio-by-kev-walker-v0-EzFAilkTyBRglX3BhJ1B4jVjb4_KTkfOK24A1iV0z3o.jpg?auto=webp&s=d4ebf2e9d1b07e36d84bf678b092b6e7cbb48c1b

[vital barn]

I think that's just a normal Mars pattern warlord unfortunately

double belicosa, shoulder turbolasers

someday they'll animate my favourite titan, the Warbringer

I like it both because it's an efficient midsized battleline unit and because it has AA guns with an upper deck big enough to put crew on

[floral herald]

Yeah I think you’re right

Close to Imperius Dictato but not quite

[soft willow]

It’s decent in LI too.

Warbringer is good titanic goofy.

[mild glen]

Why can the Earth Caste not design good ankles on anything bigger than a Ghostkeel?

[mental birch]

Exofitesssss

[pale narwhal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1367769729237778442/1511154458732658779/IMG_3299.jpg?ex=6a1f6bc2&is=6a1e1a42&hm=82ed71a2080b6284f902ad67b6a9b2beb655fdad72afd8c20c386cf69348dab0&=&format=webp&width=909&height=1303

damn the new 40k rules are wild

[quaint compass]

YO

That's fucking crazy!

[jaunty dawn]

Woah bringing it back to the 2e rules

[pulsar cairn]

kissing

[lost rock]

Reminds me of magic the gathering.

Doing upkeep and cleanup steps.

[quaint compass]

Horsie!

[mental birch]

For pride month the most lesbian thing around, dinosaur riding space elf lady knight

:p

Every button

[pine matrix]

That rocks

[quaint compass]

Just you wait until you see the flyers

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_pkmp3hsA766VLePmJE866baFMZqomDlfcw&s

[mental birch]

Not sure how to put into exodites

[quaint compass]

Shining Spears/Shroud Runners

Or Warlock Skyrunners?

(As the base models, not sure how you run they/them dinos)

[pulsar cairn]

do you think she gives nicknames to her mounts? .w.

[mental birch]

Yes

[mental birch]

I mean ruleswise

These are for 2e

So Dragon Knights

[quaint compass]

Ooooh

Well that's worse for me because I know nothing about it

[mental birch]

40k 2e

Theres only one unit for expdites

[quaint compass]

I only knew that expedites had the Dragon Riders, and I don't know if they use regular eldar rules

Or what units eldar had at that edition

[mental birch]

They are a codex unit

[junior robin]

finally, Corvus Corax confirmed

[jaunty dawn]

I played the boltgun 2 demo and the novelty didnt really last a whole level yeah

[mental birch]

750 points 2e army

Haha

[thin ibex]

weird question, for those of yal with experience, but is 3d printing something that is approachable for an older person who's hands arent so steady these days for things like model cars and such? A little off topic I know, but i've seen some of yall print vehicles in here so im curious

thinking about maybe exploring that as a gift idea for my dad

[mental birch]

3d printinf as a hobby?

You mean?

I eeer hmmmm

[thin ibex]

yeah i suppose, for printing like, not 40k minis but like... other types of models

planes, cars, etc

i figure he can make em bigger than he can buy em

which will be good for his hands

[mental birch]

I dont like treating 3d printing as a silly hobby theres a lot of safety things you gotta do

[floral herald]

Biggest thing I’d worry about is maintenance since esp with resin printers cleanup can be grueling

Otherwise I think it’s a pretty good hobby

[charred bridge]

And venting fumes from resin

FDM it's mostly don't burn yourself on the nozzle

[floral herald]

Kind of a lot of things with resin honestly

A buddy of mine had a resin printer and it does great harm to the human spirit

[main pagoda]

probably easier to research local print shops and just show him out to find STLs to be printed

[charred bridge]

Oh and check in on FDM, I always suggest a camera and remote shut off cause you don't want your blob burning filament for like 8 hours while you're away from work

It won't like combust but it's superheated plastic for hours on end insulated by a mass of plastic probably not good what goes into the air

[tired cairn]

Eh, safer than a lot of other hobbies (especially if you only do FDM)

[pastel rampart]

FDM is probably the way to go for larger vehicles, because you can usually just size it up in a slicer software to whatever arbitrary size you want.

[mental birch]

It is but also my experience has been people under-respecting the safety

[charred bridge]

Resin I find is quite simple, much easier than when I ran FDM. You do have to be careful with like not spilling resin everywhere and wear gloves but it's not that bad

[tired cairn]

FDM is better for bigger models that don't have tiny details (vehicles and especially buildings)

[tired cairn]

That's fair

[charred bridge]

Also anything that could be knocked over, id be worried about resin terrain whereas FDM terrain is probably a brick by comparison

[tired cairn]

I am surprised you found resin simpler than FDM. But is it that you don't need to do nearly as much work dialing in the settings?

[pastel rampart]

FDM is also way less toxic if you're just printing with PLA. Less cleanup involved, no nasty chemicals (except ABS).

[charred bridge]

My settings kepted being undialed cause I ran a bunch of bad ender 3s

[mental birch]

Big warning is having a room you can vent and have complete control of access to

[charred bridge]

My ender 6 was beautiful

[pastel rampart]

Oh resin is practically plug-and-play, you can get any resin printer and it will work out of the box with little to no dialing in.

[charred bridge]

And my knockoff prusa mini clones

[pastel rampart]

There's a lot of "but..." when it comes to resin tho, as explained above.

[charred bridge]

Resin I've literally not had a single print fail

It just worked out of the box

[tired cairn]

That makes sense

[floral herald]

Most of the bad stuff I’ve heard about resin is cleanup and fuming

[pastel rampart]

When a resin print fails though you might not know about it until it's done. FDM you can check real-time and stop it without wasting much material (usually).

[charred bridge]

I had mines in an DIY enclosed IKEA LACK with a hose outlet venting out the window

[tired cairn]

FDM material is much cheaper (though this knowledge might be out of date)

[pastel rampart]

Both have pluses and minuses, basically. For me FDM works just fine for most applications, and I have a friend with a resin printer so if either one of us needs something we got it covered.

[charred bridge]

I had also one of these bad boys for tall prints and it was so sick watching them print I could watch them for hours

[tired cairn]

They style of printer definitely is cool looking

[pastel rampart]

Nah, still valid. A 2.2lb roll costs $10-12, which is cheaper than resin which goes between $15-18.

[tired cairn]

That's a lot narrower of a gap than it used to be though

iirc it used to be like, double

[pastel rampart]

Oh yeah definitely.

That's for standard resin, ABS-like is a couple bucks more but the difference is pretty minimal.

[tired cairn]

though, I think you have a bit more waste with resin prints to complicate things?

[pastel rampart]

Soooo that depends!

[tired cairn]

ABS isn't really needed for miniature models. Unless it's like, a RC plane or something lol

[pastel rampart]

Resin printing usually needs supports so you're wasting resin on that, though you can recycle them for terrain since they're cool scaffolding bits.

[tired cairn]

Ah, I thought the liquid left over was lesser quality that you want to be careful about reusing

[pastel rampart]

FDM may need supports, and it depends on the file itself. So filament can be wasted on that (but for tree supports you can recycle those for terrain)

[charred bridge]

You'd need probably as much support with FDM depending on your cooling fans which can be modded

[tired cairn]

I mostly printed simple things (e.g. buildings) that didn't need supports

[pastel rampart]

Oh the liquid can be reused most of the time. At best you might have to drain it through a filter.

[charred bridge]

Resin is also like a lot more streamlined if you have even a cheap wash and cure device

[tired cairn]

What I want is consumer level laser sintering. But that sort of dust is probably way worse than the resin issues lol

[pastel rampart]

Oh definitely.

[charred bridge]

I had some cheap photon wash and cure from black Friday sales when they came out and they were like $120 for both machines together

I'm sure it's like double that now

[pastel rampart]

Depends on that too. Like a model with a spear? Yeah probably go with ABS-like, or anything with more thin/fiddly details so shit doesn't snap off. It's more durable overall and when the cost difference is like, a buck or two? Why not.

[tired cairn]

Oh, that's fair

(though the additional cost is probably more in that ABS is more annoying to print with than PLA)

[charred bridge]

If it's a mini I tend to go resin if they have a spear, gun, small arms, the flexibility means it's less likely to snap

[thin ibex]

hmm ok so its not a thing he can just pick up and do, but with some self education its a solid maybe, if he wanted to

and it would potentially meet his needs, either resin or fdm, with an asterisk

he is not working atm, and i know he wanted to get back to modeling

[pastel rampart]

Well I'm talking resin here, not FDM.

ABS for FDM is a whole other fucking thing.

[tired cairn]

It's more pickup and do than it was, but yeah, you should view 3d printing as a hobby: and the effort that implies

[thin ibex]

but he's discouraged by his lack of steady hands nowadays, so i was trying to think of things that might encourage him

[charred bridge]

Yea it's not entirely plug and play yet, learning a bit about goes a long way

[tired cairn]

Ooooh. I didn't know that was an option for resin printers

[thin ibex]

he has some model ships he wants to build but he's not confident he actually can anymore, which is a bit heartbreaking

[charred bridge]

I will say steady hands might come into play for FDM for unjamming a nozzle

[thin ibex]

hes not a full time train modeler, but he comes from that line of the hobby, rather than wargaming minis

[pastel rampart]

https://www.amazon.com/ELEGOO-UV-Curing-Photopolymer-Toughness-Precision/dp/B0CTGZD2HW?th=1 It is! Friend of mine with the resin printer likes to use it because it's just overall tougher.

[thin ibex]

hes not like deep in teh sauce, but he's got a lot of more practical experience doing those kinds of techniques and paints

[charred bridge]

If your FDM nozzle gets jammed you have to stick a little pipe cleaner up the nozzle while it's hot to push the clogging material out

[thin ibex]

doing old ww2 planes and classic cars n boats n stuff

[pastel rampart]

Does he have any experience/education/training as an engineer? There might be some skills he could transfer there, especially if he's ever used CAD.

[thin ibex]

yeah he does, though many years hence

[charred bridge]

Resin requires like no fine handling at all really

[thin ibex]

like as an electrical engineer in the 80's i think, or 70's

[tired cairn]

Lol, what does "ABS-like" really mean? But I guess this explains it, not literally ABS but basically the same thing?

[pastel rampart]

Aaah okay, well there's some skills there that might transfer for maintenance and such.

[pastel rampart]

Yeah not literally ABS but it's a tougher, slightly more flexible resin. Great for miniatures honestly, less risk of things snapping off if they fall over.

ABS-like resin 3.0 is engineered for high strength, impact resistance, and toughness. The printed models can withstand drilling holes and certain impacts, maintaining their structural integrity and resisting deformation, ideal for functional prototypes, mechanical parts, and industrial parts.

The drilling holes part is important because I've had to do that for pinning and such, and normal resin will often snap unless you're being really slow and careful. Not so much with this stuff.

But, to bring it back to your dad: see if any of the local libraries have 3D printers, it can be a very cost-effective way to find out if he likes working with those. There might be a maker's club/market around town too.

[runic swallow]

Shame about how resin is the tradeoff between great detail and “damn, that shit really do be toxic”

[pastel rampart]

Yeeeaaah.

[broken dew]

yeah resin is no joke

[runic swallow]

And yeah I’ve made a ton of use of my library’s 3D printers, to the point the person running it knows me on sight

[pastel rampart]

I'd like a resin printer but I have no means of venting the fumes. I can print PLA just fine because my FDM printer has an enclosure, but I couldn't print with ABS due to lack of a means to vent the fumes (which is toxic).

[broken dew]

i mostly know of it through model kit stuff

do not mess around with resin dust

[runic swallow]

Wear a dust mask when cutting, filling, etc with resin

And clean up your workspace

[mental birch]

I dont even trust the fumes from PLA printers hahaah

[runic swallow]

However great material aside from the caveats

[pastel rampart]

Honestly same with any sanding, period.

[mental birch]

Its /probably/ fine

[runic swallow]

Generally don’t trust the fumes off anything tbh

[mental birch]

But also no

[runic swallow]

Yeah silicosis is no joke, wear respiratory protection when doing anything creating fine debris

[rocky shale]

PLA fumes will sustain me

[runic swallow]

Basically any form of thing that’s making dust wear a mask

[pastel rampart]

PLA puts off very low fumes, and this mostly gets caught in the enclosure. ABS I wouldn't fuck with.

[broken dew]

i should probably use a mask while working on models really but i at least keep my window open when i have open containers of toxic chemicals

[runic swallow]

It’s a lil inconvenient but for basic stuff just a N95 or what not will do fine

[broken dew]

mhm

[tired cairn]

aiui. The concern with PLA isn't direct toxicity but more that any small scale particles probably aren't good for you

[pastel rampart]

Yeah. Which again, enclosure, don't let that shit print out in open air.

[runic swallow]

You only need a respirator when you’re doing either a huge amount of dust or really fine dust/fumes

[broken dew]

i do a fair bit of sanding when i work with plaplate on my models, which generates a bit of dust

i try to cut pieces to shape as much as possible

[runic swallow]

Yeah wear a mask and just clean up after yourself

[pastel rampart]

Wet sanding also helps reduce dust particles, but I'd only do that for fine-grit sanding.

Which I finally grabbed some 400-grit so I think I can finally smooth out that warhound titan today.

[broken dew]

yummy plastic dust

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/yummy-food-tasty-delicious-animated-text-gif-2237386042682011407

[broken dew]

when i was making my BJD i did do mostly wet sanding since i was doing so much sanding

on my model kits it's usually quite small pieces, so i don't worry as much

[pastel rampart]

I tend to not bother with sanding most of my prints but for large curved surfaces I want that nice smooth look.

[broken dew]

that's fair

[pastel rampart]

Especially buildings, like...no need to sand down some ruins, it'll look better if it's a touch crusty.

[broken dew]

i wanted my BJD to have a nice finish to her which is why she ended up getting sanded, other stuff i've 3d printer hasn't needed it much

[pastel rampart]

Oh it totally makes sense to make that nice and smooth.

[broken dew]

though tbf most of the stuff i've printed really would benefit from being resin prints anyway but that's a whole different problem

[pastel rampart]

Smallest model I've printed is a dreadnought and depending on what type you can get some decent results.

[broken dew]

she does have a few patches of print lines in various places simply because i thought it'd make her look quite unique and be a good reminder of how she was made, but overall she has quite a smooth finish

[broken dew]

fair enough

[runic swallow]

Oh hey I remember that mildly horrifying thing

[broken dew]

my lovely BJD, she sits on my desk

[runic swallow]

Very nice print job

[broken dew]

have yet to figure out a name for her

[pastel rampart]

Like, fairly solid results for the four Furibundus types I printed. But they have smooth surfaces without much detail.

[broken dew]

do need to work up the energy to work on her more, she deserves eyes and clothes

[runic swallow]

The Unnamable One

[runic swallow]

Are these counts-as for something in 40k or a different system?

[pastel rampart]

Count-as dreads, they're remakes of the very original dreadnoughts.

[broken dew]

she's kinda discoloring a little bit so she does really need some paint also

[pastel rampart]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT0I9iYH0oDQV2VodXT4oFQ5hqvKd3qALmVzA&s

These silly bastards.

[runic swallow]

Oh man I’d forget about those goofy fellas

[broken dew]

before Dreadnoughts were tombs of the dead

[pastel rampart]

I love them. So goofy.

[broken dew]

ngl low-key my second fave dreadnought design after the Contemptor

[pastel rampart]

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/tenebricosus-angelus-hemah

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/rt-furibundus-chuck-contemptor-dreadnought There's a much more detailed (but not-free) version that has a lot more poseability.

It's also bigger, closer to a contemptor, which I think would work well for a Primaris army.

[runic swallow]

Just a fella named Chuck 😌

[sour sequoia]

good news everyone, GW has broken GSC army rule and mandated a rewrite for the 6th time in 3 years

[tired cairn]

What did they do this time?

[floral herald]

https://tenor.com/view/efficient-efficiency-exceedingly-efficient-the-architect-architect-gif-17905046

[sour sequoia]

with leaders counting as models in the unit rather than Attached, you can never cult ambush units that were attached at all. Cult Ambush checks on model by model basis to respawn the unit, they have to all have the keyword

this pretty much kills every detachment besides host of ascension

[tired cairn]

oh, lol