abysmal
#Warhammer and Such
past sphinx
happens every time
broken dew
with my entire heart and soul
past sphinx
every skulls is just "heres a new trailer for something that was announced a year back"
broken dew
does GW not have anyone who knows anything about like
audio mixing
jesus fucking christ
past sphinx
oh fuck off with that lame ass structured content drops
broken dew
hateful
past sphinx
buy your hotdogs bun for an extra 25.99 a few weeks after purchase
LEGO????
oh chibi nonsense
broken dew
i'm watching Bricky's stream so i'm a bit behind i think
past sphinx
a fucking gaming chair fucks sakes
broken dew
oh is this fucking uh
youtooz or whatever
fucking funko-pop core
yeah it was youtooz
past sphinx
they really aint got shit this year man
past sphinx
a second trailer for their mobile game??
tacticus is pretty damn popular tho from my understanding
still warren
Totalwar hammer? No I think that hasn't released yet
Oh looks like it just came out today
pine matrix
The tiger lady dlc?
past sphinx
ye
still warren
Was that kaldor drago?
pine matrix
Was that kaldor drago?
Daemons in the warp be like
still warren
Like 100% for skitari
past sphinx
people have said that before
for both previous classes actually
lotta people yapping about a necromunda extraction shooter in the chat, wonder where they got that notion from
broken dew
new mission for SM2 is cool
broken dew
ok Skitarii is pretty hype
past sphinx
good weapon choices
hand cannon all the way tho
RATS RATS RATS RATS RATS RATS RATS RATS RATS
still warren
Oh lord please let this be a good aos game
past sphinx
its got the AoS curse on it
floral herald
AOS game?
still warren
AOS game?
Looks like a 2d game where you're a skaven
New skitari weapons for anyone who's interested
jaunty dawn
is this makes one of the regular guys a skitarii
or actualy skitarii
also why do I care when I haven't even darkened a tide
still warren
Like one of the rejects? No dlc classes all have different origins than the default 4 classes
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4355570/Warhammer_40000_Darktide__Skitarii_Class/ damn that datamine was real, completely matches the description
tired cairn
New skitari weapons for anyone who's interested
I'm a bit surprised there is no Radium carbine
jaunty dawn
ah
misty violet
I guess it doesn't really have a solid mechanical identity
At least, relative to other options already in game
jaunty dawn
the graphic was confusing me cause it was like "exclusive skins!! just the stuff skitarii has"
radium carbine is a submachine gun
misty violet
At least, relative to other options already in game
Like the thing would be sort of a full automatic needle pistol, mechanically, as like a gun with a DoT effect and maybe a debuff
tired cairn
I'm also surprised that the weapons are mostly sicarian ones
still warren
I like that they're going even more into unique skill trees like hivescum but more so
tired cairn
I guess the arc maul and taser goad already have equivalents
Err, they are getting an arc maul. I'm surprised at that over taser goad actually
I feel like there are a bunch of maul equivalents but the taser is weird. Maybe they couldn't figure out how to make the taser goad animations look good lol
Oh, maybe they just don't show all the guns in that picture lol:
The advanced wargear of the Skitarii includes legendary Arc weapons, Electrified Goads, dazzling Phosphor Blasters, slicing Transonic Blades and high-powered Galvanic Rifles.
deft mason
atomic apex
I feel like there are a bunch of maul equivalents but the taser is weird. Maybe ...
I think that is the taser goad actually
meager dagger
misty violet
Oh, maybe they just don't show all the guns in that picture lol:
> The advanced...
Is it possible that the mace/shock maul is an alternate skin for the taser goad?
still warren
Whether you envision your Skitarii as a ruthless long-range assassin with deadly aim, a frenzied servant of the Omnissiah carving through flesh with a Transonic blade, or a walking storm of living electricity
vital barn
Darktide Skitarii class reveal, Mechanicus II and Helldivers 2 40k warbond on the same day
still warren
Electric weapons might be blitz/grenade as well
vital barn
Omnissiah be frakking praised
misty violet
I doubt it would look that different with the skin on, but that picture with all six new weapons is from the preview of the deluxe skins
raven meteor
Okay so sniper build, melee build, electricity build? lovely
atomic apex
Darktide Skitarii class reveal, Mechanicus II and Helldivers 2 40k warbond on th...
Yeah the Mechanicus 2 release today also has Mr hyped
raven meteor
I can cosplay as a ruststalker
vital barn
the deluxe skins look really close to the models
tired cairn
I think that is the taser goad actually
Doesn't look pokey enough. But maybe the alternative skin like TooClose mentioned
atomic apex
Okay so sniper build, melee build, electricity build? lovely
Also mentioned this over in the DT thread, but their skill tree is circular and spreads outwards from the center
So they said it'll be easier to mix and match stuff too probably
sour sequoia
Space marine players when they get a space marine that does space marine thing: wtf why is this worse space marine
Dont worry guys the 199th datasheet will be unique and exciting
Phobos Calgar
jaunty dawn
But what if they split fireeee
thin ibex
No lie, had a friend try out another faction and he was like "BS 3+ feels bad man" like his Dark Angels weren't shooting at 3+ all time already
jaunty dawn
Although idk I think I do prefer it being like front and center “the point of this unit is that they have blast” rather than it requiring to compare different profiles to be like oh this unit gets assault on their generic weapons
tired cairn
But what if they split fireeee
It lets them shoot tanks in melee too lol
thin ibex
Are there any vehicles or monsters that have more than 5 entities?
sour sequoia
Ork vehicles
floral herald
Is Farsight’s Huge Goon Squad still a datasheet?
sour sequoia
18 killa kans actually gets annihilated by this if it applied lol
jaunty dawn
i dont think farsights huge goon squad has existed for a while
vital barn
not since 7th, I believe
sour sequoia
The Eight existed for like 5 minutes in 7th and everybody has been in the stratosphere off copium since
floral herald
Ok cool I knew they were more modern than 7th phew
vital barn
as far as I'm aware they have always been a rubbish gimmick unit
in 7th they were totally caned by the fact that it was very hard to get Split Fire
tired cairn
Although idk I think I do prefer it being like front and center “the point of th...
That's fair. I guess it feels a bit silly to me in this case to have a bunch of words to add weird special cases to communicate that
jaunty dawn
As they are wont to do
Technically farsight could take a mega bodyguard squad earlier than 7th
So like while they only became The Eight in that codex it was part of the character, now neglected, for much longer
thin ibex
I liked The Eight narratively, but thought they were weird as a unit
pine matrix
Thought it was funny they don't have enough Coven units that they had to bring in kitbashed Venoms and Raiders
marsh tree
Is Rogue Trader any good?
raven meteor
Is Rogue Trader any good?
Yes! Extremely solid and fun combat and a decent story
reef pagoda
im enjoying it a lot so far, just got to act 2
atomic apex
Is Rogue Trader any good?
the TTRPG or the Owlcat CRPG?
marsh tree
the CRPG
raven meteor
Oh yeah that also- okay then there you go
It's a crpg that lets you open up on someone full auto with a machinegun
And it's trivially easy to make that as lethal as opening up on someone full auto with a machinegun ought to be
main pagoda
raven meteor
Corollary to this question:
With the Boltgun 2 demo installing on my comp as we speak, and a huge steam sale for warhammer games going on,
I am once again asking after fun games with Sisters Of Battle in them
reef pagoda
ooooh the demo came out?
marsh tree
ooh, rogue trader is being bundled with darkest dungeon for less than $20
reef pagoda
cant wait to see the slaaneshi daemons
main pagoda
in what dark tide?
pulsar cairn
yeh
pastel rampart
Hopefully Boltgun 2 improves on the level design and enemy placement because hoo boy did that get on my nerves with the original.
reef pagoda
yeah its no I AM THE X SLAYER
marsh tree
pulsar cairn
hehe
reef pagoda
i thought the feature that guided you was nice though for when the levels got a bit dry
pastel rampart
yeah its no I AM THE X SLAYER
My s-blade has a hackblood charge
pulsar cairn
you think the death guard gave the nurgling the helmet out of affection or did the demon just threaten him?
raven meteor
Very excited for Boltgun 2
Boltgun 1 was decent fun and 2 is The FPS Where You Get To Play An SOB I've been wishing for incessantly
marsh tree
oh yeah, I've heard that boltgun was good
pastel rampart
i thought the feature that guided you was nice though for when the levels got a ...
I was totally fine with that and it helped a lot navigating things but the levels were still huge, and actually finding every enemy during an arena was a fucking nightmare sometimes because they'd just squirrel away between some pipes or whatever.
The weapon strength thing didn't really like...work very well either, and I didn't see a reason to look for secrets because it was all the same 4-5 things every time. That got old.
reef pagoda
omg yes i forgot that i restarted a few times because i couldnt find anyone and assumed it was just broken
pastel rampart
Enemies were a bit spongy too, I shouldn't need that many heavy bolter shots to take down a screamer of tzeentch.
I got like 2 levels into chapter two and had enough, never finished it. I kinda saw everything the game was gonna throw at me by that point, which is a shame because it's got the bones of a solid Doom 2016-like.
marsh tree
agh, it's a steam sale
so I want to spend money
I can get rogue trader and darkest dungeon for less than the price of either
Is six bucks for demonhunters a good deal?
XCOM 2 is one of my all time favorite games
pastel rampart
floral herald
Is six bucks for demonhunters a good deal?
Yeah
pastel rampart
Yeah, it's a perfectly serviceable Xcom-style game with a few neat tricks.
pastel rampart
pastel rampart
Gettin' there.
pulsar cairn
chicken legs 
pastel rampart
Hah, yeah. I gotta print out the ankle armor plates.
Some wild bastard in another server got ahold of the old metal Thunderhawk.
reef pagoda
thats a swanky box
pastel rampart
wide veldt
Is it out?
soft willow
It works, but it's certainly not pretty because of the performance stuff.
soft willow
What about everybody else?
pulsar cairn
maybe they got lost in a warp storm
upper bluff
They left murmuring something about the mechanicus being "jobbers"
runic iron
should i paint my models before assembling them or can i assemble them then paint?
also, how do i apply magnets.
soft willow
should i paint my models before assembling them or can i assemble them then pain...
Either really. Most of the time you'll assemble most of a model, or assemble it into partial assemblies if it's larger.
For example it's common to build a Knight as legs, torso, arms, and keep the armor plates separate until after painting.
As far as magnets it depends on what you're magnetizing. Usually GW models aren't built with slots in place for them so you gotta get a pin vise or a hand drill to make magnet slots.
soft willow
What are you building?
soft willow
Magnetizing the Dorn?
main pagoda
When it comes to when to sub assembly and when not to its really just vibes based and most newer instruction manuals do give recomendations on when you should do it
soft willow
I'd do some searching, usually there are good guides on models for first time magnetization.
main pagoda
when it comes to tanks etc you are typically just doing hull and turret
with infantry i typically only do it if they cover their chest or sides with the arms
jaunty dawn
I'm an advocate for learning to deal with an assembled model rather than geting too caught in the weeds with subassembly
unless you're painting bigger models
and prime black haha
main pagoda
id agree typically but its like 10 guardsmen why not spend the extra effort
jaunty dawn
I don't really think it improves the model's end result
so it's definitionally not worth the effort ime
main pagoda
I'd do some searching, usually there are good guides on models for first time ma...
just to add on to this I know for most guard tanks the interchangable part you want to magnetise is the mantlet
main pagoda
so it's definitionally not worth the effort ime
entirely fair i just know that i know which makes me paranoid someone else will know that im a fraud hack who should be drowned in the nuln oil pit for my sins
jaunty dawn
or more importantly I think it can actually make a model look worse!
main pagoda
If your not careful gluing 100%
jaunty dawn
either because of imperfect final assembly or just cause you're painting a shadowed area the same way you paint a fully exposed one
main pagoda
I suggest test fitting it with blue tac to see if it really is going to be an issue
jaunty dawn
entirely fair i just know that i know which makes me paranoid someone else will ...
I mean the thing is the way to fix that imposter syndrome isn't to indulge it 😅
idk it's just my 2 penny
main pagoda
I dont really do them anymore for infantry i stick to "bigger" ones eg squighog riders the grot, squig and boy are all painted seperately
jaunty dawn
yeah makes sense
main pagoda
but for me the reason i do it now is more just to break up the work load, a big grey model is quite depressing to look at but 3 seperate parts make it quite easy for me to get over it
I did fully assemble my big mek and im regretting it so much now
was just looking to see what the guardsmen kit sprues actually look like and quite frankly what the fuck is this
2 part legs, 2 part chests just why
jaunty dawn
go crazy go stupid aaa
tired cairn
There is some witchcraft used to determine how to best slice up models for modern plastic sprues
(the torsos split in two might be so it uses less plastic for what is essentially a cylinder)
For subassemblies, I particularly like to do the base and miniature separately. Though a big part of that is that it is much more satisfying to dry brush without the mini in the way, ha
jaunty dawn
Its so you can do reliefs too
So stuff gets split up in an arcane way so that there can be full detail all arpund
narrow urchin
Yeah, I remember the Betrayal at Calth marines had studded shoulder pads molded in one piece and the studs around the edges of the pad were long instead of hemispherical. When the Mk 6 kit dropped, it broke each shoulder pad into 2 pieces so that the studs were perfect.
jaunty dawn
Mhm exactly
pulsar cairn
if i wanna insert "BORK" somewhere in a skittari name, how could i go about it?
still warren
Agent of the mechanibork
reef pagoda
cybork
jaunty dawn
ẞ0R-K
quaint compass
BATTLE ORGANISM RAIDER-KILLER
pulsar cairn
those are all good 
upper bluff
Could be 80-RK too
pastel rampart
Top: 0.08mm layer height. Bottom: 0.12mm.
Felt I could do better so I reprinted it at the top layer height and this is a really good example of how much layer height matters for printing.
jaunty dawn
Hell yeah!!!
pastel rampart
That's some nice-ass nids.
tired cairn
I like the cactuses
silk verge
silk verge
Speaking of nids: this norn queen does not fit my printer lmao
lolllll
untold swallow
Speaking of nids: this norn queen does not fit my printer lmao
"NORN STUCK"
tired cairn
bright dove
Man they need to read more Graham McNeil stuff I guess.
misty violet
https://bsky.app/profile/bitshammer.bsky.social/post/3mmlymrbloc2i
The funny thing is that inspite of the Ultramarines conceptual strength being this sort of thing, they do ultimately actually just have the best big fighty men of anyone too
sour sequoia
The death cult assassins + knights book has its own version of this that ends up putting the climax of the book at like, 35% of the way in
And its kind of incredible that the same guy wrote infinite and divine which is actually quite good
Robert Rath can kind of only write Interpersonal Bickering
Robert Rath on every drukhari book forever please
charred bridge
https://bsky.app/profile/bitshammer.bsky.social/post/3mmlymrbloc2i
My tactical genius prowess (I just sent twice the number of average regiments to the front I'm on then 4 times the rear to flank them)
broken dew
jaunty dawn
I find it really funny that the actual reason for creeds tactical genius is just that hes fighting On Cadia of course he can get anything anywhere
finite compass
IIRC I think he served in a bunch of places
He was just on Cadia when it got blown up because they scrambled basically all hands to defend it
main pagoda
he served with the 8th since he was a child before becoming a white shield
pastel rampart
sour sequoia
We got a lock on an admech paintjob fellas
Time to tear into my 3500pt pile of shame I been collecting whenever someone’s ragequitting the technical imperium army
rocky shale
I wish my local scene had more people ragequit factions
west zealot
The death cult assassins + knights book has its own version of this that ends up...
Do you mean assanorium: Kingmaker?
Because that's actually quite a bit better than infinite and the divine imho
Infinite and the divine is fun, but it's somewhat overrated
It meanders more than it should and its characters voices tend to blurr together more than they should
sour sequoia
Do you mean assanorium: Kingmaker?
Because that's actually quite a bit better t...
“My Name Vindicare Assassin. My Entire Life Careful Planning, Perfect Execution, No Room Left For Errors Or Coincidences Or Flukes”
15 minutes into the mission: fuck it lmao lets just blow his shit smoove off in front of the entire kingdom. What is exfil that sounds like dork shit
This is never examined again.
floral herald
Yeah that about adds up
The old vindicare comic basically opens with the assassin skydiving and sniping fighter jets with a record scratch freeze frame
sour sequoia
I’m probably being harder on the book than I need to be but it was incredible coming to “yeah this is one of the best BL writers and one of his best works” off of reading Iain Banks and John Langan
The high bar for black library is still uhhhh
tired cairn
valid brook
no lies detected
charred bridge
Tactical Genius you say?
Scout titan be like
thin ibex
I'm trying to decide if i do a full reread if the Eisenhorn and ravenor saga, to set me up to read the bequin trilogy for the first time; knowing it's pretty far back in the lore now
west zealot
“My Name Vindicare Assassin. My Entire Life Careful Planning, Perfect Execution,...
Ehh, i think that's an incredibly unfair read of things. but it's been aw hile since i've read it, and i aint got the energy to argue it
west zealot
I’m probably being harder on the book than I need to be but it was incredible co...
OPh, yeah, compared toBanks or the ilk it's not good
sour sequoia
Ehh, i think that's an incredibly unfair read of things. but it's been aw hile s...
To be fair, I had fun reading it. There’s a few bits in there that feel like a good spy movie, and its the first and only thing to make me like Knights since they sprang the fuck up outta nowhere during my like three year break from the game.
The LGS gang wanted to do a book club and I am entertaining them, it was our first one down last month.
pastel rampart
still warren
upper canopy
Insane drip
quaint compass
As a khorne-carer, I envy the stuff Slaanesh factions get
vital barn
To be fair, I had *fun* reading it. There’s a few bits in there that feel like a...
Personal recommendation for a book that is a little more cerebral than the Black Library average is Twice-Dead King, which is more good necrons
I read the two standard issue Knights models and they gave me very little cool stuff to go on so maybe I should read A:K
tired cairn
Oh, so they are going to release a painted and unpainted version of the new terrain
floral herald
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jvdwomhj/begin-the-revels-wit...
Oh man that rips
reef pagoda
hedonites are so cool, i love fleshcruncher cabal but chaos always draws me...
i like when FEC has parodies and mockeries like the intestine wig, plain old naked ghouls dont do it for me much
tired cairn
Leaders are getting a pretty big buff with the new fast rolling rules: if they have a better save you can assign all the dice they would save with to them and then all the extra low rolls to the chumps
(you roll all the dice and then assign them to models)
atomic apex
Can you assign to leaders before the rest of the squad is dead now?
tired cairn
That seems to be the implication, yeah
Does that one Archon model still get a 2++ save until it suffers a wound? Seems great for him
jaunty dawn
That sounds like a bad idea lmao
Like
Idk I guess not having 2+ saves that are invulnerable to everything except lascannons and up helps
tired cairn
+many points to leaders with invul saves lol
jaunty dawn
But its a kinda long term problem with horus heresy wound allocation
tired cairn
Oh, is this how HH does it?
jaunty dawn
Not exactly
tired cairn
(For reason, I would have preferred to have allocation to happen at the wound step, but that would probably slow things down more lol)
mental birch
This is worse necrons
sour sequoia
This is better than necrons. This doesn’t count the icon thats in each squad
desert jay
Yeah it's a weaker regen than Necrons get but it's on top of the pile of existing Genestealer bullshit
sour sequoia
You can kill the icon, flip icon onto objective, do the icon d3+3
tired cairn
You just have to toe in to be in a terrain area right?
junior robin
now I want to build the horrible idea that is necron genestealer cult 
sour sequoia
This is worse necrons
Every neophyte squad is respawning d3+6 neophytes now, then able to scoot 3” forwards for its heavies and still get +1 to hit
33% odds to flip a 10-man back to full from literally the last man, 20-mans need to be wiped or they’re flipping objectives from anything under the sun when they do this in command phase, skip out of battleshock, then immediately score primary
rocky shale
Disgusting
sour sequoia
Two separate triggers at the same time means you can get like 6” of movement off this
The thing is I’m not convinced its actually the weakest of the three detachments revealed lmfaooo
sour sequoia
That’s gonna be one I foresee people defaulting to a lot, since normal up-down doesn’t exist in GSC at all and this makes em butcher marines/survive marines real well
Like they already clear real well but the 5+ save only, getting wounded on 4s, and only wounding on 4s made stuff funky
I predict that Biosanctic can’t take the purestrain buff, and Host of Ascension can’t take the neophyte buff, but they’re all good all the time
If they allow those combos then we are entering The Cool Zone
desert jay
Xenocreed might also get tagged host, I suspect
And if not, Xenocreed/Xenocult looks like a scary combo too
sour sequoia
And if not, Xenocreed/Xenocult looks like a scary combo too
I actually almost predict the XC strat to be the hero detach?? Upgrading your Locuses to be damage 3 and hanging with iconwards n primuses means a whole lot of dead terminators and custodes for trying to charge the proletariat carrying DeWalts
desert jay
Point
sour sequoia
This is gonna be the funniest fucking 50pt model in the game when he’s damage 3
And locuses is abt same. “Here is my scoring squad. There is a damage 3 lictor on a 32mm in here also.”
“PLEASE COME FIGHT MY GUARDSMEN ON THE OBJECTIVE”
desert jay
Hey, enhancements cost pts too, it could be +20 pts or it could be +40
vital barn
I admit I really like Sancti and immediately gravitated to superknife georg
this is not making me want to waste a bunch of money on GSC less
jaunty dawn
Do all heals restore models in 11th?
quaint compass
Afaik yes
tired cairn
Maybe the Nerothrope heal will actually do something
sonic hare
did they spoil resurrection protocol for 11th yet?
dense siren
sonic hare
if all healing gets back up are necrons gets back up special any more
presumably they just do it the most
mental birch
Konrad Curze is a trans woman
Sadly i dont think transitioning can fix her
native onyx
fix her? p sure the Curze fans like that Curze is a shithead
sour sequoia
if all healing gets back up are necrons gets back up special any more
Doing it baseline on every model and unit is massive, to be honest. They might need to finally make necrons engaging to play tho lmao
GSC is truly the only army that even comes close to reanimation mechanics of necrons and they do it on like, 4 units of t3/4 garbage with tshirt saves. Very different vibe on the table
sonic hare
im imagining a neceon statblock with more than 4 words on it. im rotating this in my mind
humble plover
Sadly i dont think transitioning can fix her
transitioning could have saved her I think, but its too late to fix her
mental birch
Every neophyte squad is respawning d3+6 neophytes now, then able to scoot 3” for...
I mean worse for me as a opponenty
lol
sour sequoia
Oh lmfao
mental birch
😛
floral herald
I’m probably behind the times but I like the 9” coherency new rule
mental birch
I’m probably behind the times but I like the 9” coherency new rule
Oh it's nothign can be longer than 9 from the rest of the unit?
floral herald
Yeah
sonic hare
is this the end of long necron warrior
mental birch
yes
tired cairn
It is awkward for screens, ha
floral herald
Diagram from today’s stream I think
rocky shale
This isnt nearly as bad for 5-10 man screening units
Plus the 2" engagement range really helps makes screens harder to hop with fly
mental birch
Plus the 2" engagement range really helps makes screens harder to hop with fly
Screens now are landing spot denial
sour sequoia
😛
Listen I’m beating back doomposters with a stick on the GSC discord lmao I have to actively evangelize how good this shit is
vital barn
another W for horsies with those long bases and small unit sizes
Serberys and Jackals seem like they'd enjoy this
rocky shale
My 15" bubble of area denial for the price of 10 shitmen
seems a lot better than a 3"x20ish line
mental birch
Listen I’m beating back doomposters with a stick on the GSC discord lmao I have ...
it functionally doesn't matter for me mostly because like
they're getting everything back if I don't kill in one turn anyway
ahahha
mental birch
My 15" bubble of area denial for the price of 10 shitmen
27 inch bubble
hehehehe
of deepstrike denial
sour sequoia
Yeah tau’s a weird one, it helps grow back and retaliate faster but also like on current math thats not really due to change unless you’re dumping missile suits + a riptide into a unit or a full breacher activation nothing in tau really cleanly kills the neo bricks anyways
They hired me specifically to hunt Mont’Ka like dogs at teams lmfao
dense sedge
Go gsc
mental birch
Yeah tau’s a weird one, it helps grow back and retaliate faster but also like on...
Burstar kinda does the trick
burstteam
sour sequoia
The flamer suits def get the job done, I honestly don’t remember the last time I saw those lol
Esp in ret cadre they’ll beat the living dogshit outta GSC
mental birch
Yeah Flamesuit and burstsuit
burstsuit leans in on, like
40 shots sustained 2 S6 AP1 or 2 ignore cover
probably AP1
mental birch
The flamer suits def get the job done, I honestly don’t remember the last time I...
Flamer farsight is great
free overwatch with flames and maybe +1 to wound if you dumb enough to get within 8
within 9
ahhaha
at s5 AP1 or 2
ahahha
sonic hare
are hexmark destroyers good against gsc?
sour sequoia
Lemme check back how that fucker works
mental birch
Esp in ret cadre they’ll beat the living dogshit outta GSC
Weirdly against GSC I keep finding my correct answer to be
act like a brand new player who just wanna kill
always press the go ape button
The go bananas button lol
sour sequoia
Yeah no you have to literally full send punch in the face I will tell people this and they dont believe me
There’s a little finesse right dont just line up but like. I’m made of t3 and Tshirt saves
mental birch
Retaliation lets me get away eith murfer because it lets me full send punch +1
sour sequoia
are hexmark destroyers good against gsc?
So like yeah the double overwatch and the shootback is annoying but honestly this doesn’t really threaten anything more than a 5-man flaco squad or the lone ops
sonic hare
simply not throwing enough dice ig?
sour sequoia
Its good board control for your home, it means someone doesn’t immediately ransack you with purestrains/metamorphs/flacos for 70pts
But yeah 6 attacks is ???
Triarch Stalkers with the funny heat rays actually fuck up our day. Exactly tough enough to basically require a ridgerunner and real focus, cheap enough to not ever be the real problem, still crappin out torrent attacks
tired cairn
They should have announced a change to the GSC core rule just out of tradition
sour sequoia
Look I already hit the top 50 on leaderboards for GSC
With any luck I’m gonna personally contribute to forcing the next army rule change
mental birch
There’s *a little* finesse right dont just line up but like. I’m made of t3 and ...
Retaliaiton full bananas seems to be the way against every tricky army
Ahagagga
sour sequoia
Ret Cad is weird. They’re on the same game plan as host of ascension, they can’t actually table most armies but you have great tools to kneecap 90% of armies in the game if you stay focused
I like it a lot, 6” DS -> Crisis go turn -> Torchstar is hot as fuck
Actual hot girl shit
Holding points on tau feels Weird but ghostkeels aren’t like. Squishy by any means. Fucked up datasheet.
pale narwhal
Aside from the breacherfish combo ghostkeels were my go-to in 10e (for what little I played)
My lone ghostkeel pulled some serious work
mental birch
Ret Cad is weird. They’re on the same game plan as host of ascension, they can’t...
I run into any trick frsgile army and its go time
Because i'm just fast enoufht to catch and bully
Usually advice is dont chase
But mike
Like
I jhst chase
Deldar cry into me
sour sequoia
Nah elves and GSC generally cant answer if you throw everything at once
rocky shale
Elves want to go to T5
thin ibex
Is gsc the one and only reason to bring an airburst launcher lol?
Also gyrtop any experience with gsc in crusade?
sour sequoia
Also gyrtop any experience with gsc in crusade?
A bit! They start a lil funky cuz you want a specific blend of leaders to fulfill any of your agendas, but honestly any detachment besides brood bros and final day goes hard
tired cairn
Hazardous being bumped up to 1/3 chance is surprising (but it is 1MW to infantry and still 3MW to vehicles)
reef pagoda
going to the kill team club today... they forewarned me chaos cult is a hard first time but itll have to do because its what i have lol
floral herald
They’re a funky team
reef pagoda
kind of rushed my commune and torments paintingwise lol but excited to see what people have
floral herald
Make sure to keep some normal cultists near your important dark commune models to eat shots for them it’s easy to forget
floral herald
yeah the mutation mechanic seems interesting
Yeah they’re a really interesting team
junior robin
finally, belt-fed Primaris lieutenant
pastel rampart
It's gonna be really funny when one of these joke primaris lieutenant jokes comes true.
junior robin
I mean statistically I must the right one day.
thin ibex
new ogryn gryngryn with belt fed auto grenade shotties
main pagoda
I think it is probably on the back feeding up to a raised arm
vital barn
It vaguely resembles the Castellax and Vorax belt feeds that start at the waist and bend up to the gun on the shoulder or arm, yeah
floral herald
Yeah it seems like it’s at a funny angle or something is photoshopped out
junior robin
Is it feeding down?
new knight with knee guns confirmed
rocky shale
Wow the aeldari are gonna be paying for the sins of 10th even into 11th I see
quaint compass
Pain is pleasure
rocky shale
rocky shale
Pain is pleasure
Wrong elves
junior robin
sure hope the fact they didnt show of spirit hosts means they are saving the best parts for release 
sour sequoia
Wow the aeldari are gonna be paying for the sins of 10th even into 11th I see
This is the way. Armies that define the meta for 6+ months eat shit for an edition after
AdMech continuously paying for 8th edition
vital barn
hey with any luck they'll finally knock that off three editions later
although they managed to nerf the new heavy infantry in between putting the rule sheets in the boxes and releasing the unit so maybe not
sonic hare
very clean
silk verge
now i gotta paint a psychophage lmaoo
tired cairn
How did you make the cactuses/where are they from?
tired cairn
although they managed to nerf the new heavy infantry in between putting the rule...
Why does the faction about a well-oiled machine with specialized cogs have units that mix anti-infantry and anti-tank (why can't you just pick the shoulder gun on them anyways)
little bay
very awesome
thin ibex
armored warhost doesn't need to be bad in 11th just cause it was bad in 10th right?
silk verge
very awesome
ty!!!
rocky shale
armored warhost doesn't need to be bad in 11th just cause it was bad in 10th rig...
As a 1dp choice it's significantly less bad, but I still struggle to see when you would need assault on your 14" fly vehicles vs any other option
vital barn
Why does the faction about a well-oiled machine with specialized cogs have units...
wargear options are illegal, don't you know
this is why our brand new archmagos named character has one gun
rocky shale
Given that you can already give a vehicle assault with star engines
tired cairn
this is why our brand new archmagos named character has *one gun*
I am more ok with named characters having fixed loadouts (though I prefer not having named characters so you know)
vital barn
she's the size of a house, she should follow in the fine tradition of 30k archmagi and have at least two decent ranged weapons
(equipped simultaneously, that is)
tired cairn
This is true
vital barn
Cawl following the Dao of Being Loaded does lead to a scene in one of his novels where he's wondering aloud what weapons to take and his assistant just says "look just grab the Atomiser and let's go already, you always take that one"
tired cairn
Have different guns to put on the model, but the other one is hidden under her skirt
Also, it is funny to me that in the 11th edition showcase matches, the ad mech force had both of the named characters. Despite the lore being that they hate each other lol
vital barn
Ghuld was done so dirty by her first campaign book
the lore of that one was basically "admech fight iron warriors, absolutely nothing conclusive happens" and the only notable event was her meeting random warsmith 5000, getting soloed in a 1v1 and then being rescued by some random space marines
tired cairn
wow, that is very lame
A warsmith is like, maybe a bit above enginseer level normally right?
vital barn
I feel very proud of the cool new combat archmagos now, game
tired cairn
Well, techmarine equivalent right?
jaunty dawn
Wait so are they getting rid of their mutual exclusivity??
vital barn
a warsmith is a techmarine-captain, so they're decent, but in Brutal Kunning a random librarian magos draws a 1v1 with one using her adventuring kit
Ghuld just sucks
tired cairn
Wait so are they getting rid of their mutual exclusivity??
I don't think they ever had it
tired cairn
The Supreme Commander thing is just "one of them must be your warlord"
AIUI
(Which is weird, yeah)
jaunty dawn
Thats dumb
vital barn
meanwhile the far superior 30k archmagi are busy putting up non-shameful performances in fights with prime Lion
how the mighty have fallen
jaunty dawn
Faqing a rule thats already essentially meaningless to being completely meaningless for giggles I guess
thin ibex
wouldn't an archmagi tier entity be the kind of entity the big e needed primarchs to punch in the first place?
tired cairn
It would be more ok if she lost if she was a hyper-factory nerd instead of a hyper-combat nerd
vital barn
it depends pretty heavily on the Archmagos, some of them are just nerds
jaunty dawn
Just make her gun not shit
vital barn
like, Arkhan Land cannot fight
jaunty dawn
Shes a combat nerd she should have a fuckin hammerhead railgun tier weapon at least
vital barn
but a fully specced out combat beast archmagos is pretty consistently the kind of thing that you need a primarch, a named dreadnought or a named unhelmeted Legion First Captain to fight
tired cairn
The fact that she buffs only Skitarii is a bit unfortunate. Because they already have the best detachment lol
thin ibex
anti everything gun 4+ dev wounds weapon
vital barn
even on the tabletop a 30k archmagos with no particular melee focus will go even with a melee-specced Leviathan Dread
tired cairn
it depends pretty heavily on the Archmagos, some of them are just nerds
You might still need a primarch for the later (because they are so big)
thin ibex
i know the fab general is often depicted as fuckhuge
its a whole ordeal just getting him to terra for teh big meetings
main pagoda
depending on the era he can be quite large to basically building size
tired cairn
Fab general is really big even when he leaves his normal body to go to the meetings on Terra AIUI
vital barn
the fabgen is a building but not a combat building
main pagoda
the loyalist one during the heresy is normalish size but he big ol teloscopic legs which can make him knight sized iirc
vital barn
he's a massive computer brain
the Fabgen of Metallica was a floating combat cogitator and weapons platform the size of a superheavy tank, and he also got effortlessly no diffed by scrapcode
sometimes I wonder why we bother
tired cairn
Does he feel more stupid when he has to leave his full-sized body 🤔
thin ibex
did he get to do anything cool before getting scrap coded?
tired cairn
the Fabgen of Metallica was a floating combat cogitator and weapons platform the...
"Have we considered not accepting all connection requests coming from the noosphere"
"No"
thin ibex
feels like the kind of character that shouldve actually been shown to be powerful before a specific countermeasure gets deployed because they're powerful in their lane
you know, sell it
vital barn
he existed entirely to justify him spreading the scrapcode to all of metallica to end that campaign book
they keep purifying it and then it comes back seven days or seven weeks later or whatever
nurgle stuff
vital barn
Imperator Titans are similar, exactly one Imperator out of over a dozen has survived the book it was introduced in and it was in the book called "Imperator"
thin ibex
titans usually at least get to rumble a bit before getting glassed
vital barn
the Avatar of Khaine has nothing on the admech for getting worfed
at least if you include Titans
but Titans do have their star moments, yeah
thin ibex
usually a titan gets to hit em with the "the contained force of a volcano" and no diff a whole bunch of nameless folk before someone else gets to hero moment or demon moment them
jaunty dawn
Aim for the horn
broken dew
oh to be two ork boys in a shokkjump dragsta with a grot and a squig for support
main pagoda
Imperator Titans are similar, exactly *one* Imperator out of over a dozen has su...
Dies Irae slander
vital barn
died in its first book
it can't die in the HH because its first appearance was dying in a 40k novel rather than a 30k one
thin ibex
I do think too often titans are shown like... with hte princeps and the bridge crew navigating their heavily damaged and weakened titan rather than weathering firepower like crazy. It's like shows up, is strong, then 90% of the time they are quasi crippled, and then the last 10% they die spectacularly
thin ibex
Hey in that same book it's introduced we get lore that isn't its own book that it breached terra's walls. then it get's vortex missiled
Side note, vortex missiles got one hell of a glow down the moment they were able to be put on the table
vital barn
Titanicus has the best Titan performance because while they drop like flies in Titan vs Titan combat, they also have the occasional moment where they go "enemy has two armoured divisions" and the onlooking guard general says "fuck get back" and the Magos goes "what, this is recon by fire, give us thirty minutes and we'll be through them"
and then they do
main pagoda
I think its also fine that they drop like flies in titanicus
thin ibex
i enjoyed titan god machine i think it was?
the one with the feral bird feathered roided out skitarii
main pagoda
cause they are facing full on either other titans or void ship weapons
vital barn
yeah, both Titanicus and Titandeath are very clear that the only reason they go down so easily is because they're fighting each other in WW1 naval combat with legs
main pagoda
titandeath my beloved
vital barn
the Titanicus tabletop game is also a banger
main pagoda
100%
main pagoda
not really
broken dew
i do love how Titan vs. Titan combat is like that
extremely funny way to do combat with fuck off enormous army obliterating death machines
thin ibex
on the scale of like full titan combat, larger scale titans with melee weapons are silly. But very warhammer
main pagoda
they are silly but they work
thin ibex
" we have star cannons and gatling guns that shoot tank sized shots, but the one thing we need to do is mollywop them with a fist the size of a city block"
main pagoda
because titan melee weapons are for killing other titans or titan scale things
thin ibex
"The princeps has ordered the deployment of The Emperor's Backhand"
let it be so
main pagoda
and they do simplify the whole void shield process
broken dew
would be a true waste of the god machines of the omnissiah to not fit them with a fuck off enormous sword or a big ass fist for fisting
vital barn
also titan melee weapons ignore void shields, which are exceptionally effective at stopping titans being alpha struck because they limit damage to one layer of the shield per hit
so Reavers fight like swordsmen in Dune
broken dew
that's quite the amusing image
main pagoda
the warlord size fists are still packing a mega bolter as well
jaunty dawn
I like the ursus claw
broken dew
might as well put a gun on your melee weapon
main pagoda
ah yes the rat fuck warhound weapon
thin ibex
warhounds with melee sound like titan combat shin destroyers
like being attacked by viscious toddlers
vital barn
the classic Titanicus triple tap is to blast the shields with a hail of medium fire from megabolters/gatling lasers/etc, which hit hard enough and rapidly enough to chew through voids, then fire big armour-cracking mega guns to fuck the armour up, stagger them and confuse sensors, then close to melee while they're stumbling and rip and tear for the kill
main pagoda
its a harpoon
designed entirely for fighting larger titans and only really used by ardax(?)
vital barn
quake cannons are great for this because it's hard to retreat from an angry melee reaver when you're getting thrown around by earthquakes
Audax
the warhound-only legion
main pagoda
thats it
vital barn
incredibly boring on tabletop because your listbuilding is limited to "what arms do I put on my dogs" but effective
broken dew
i think the funniest idea i had for my space marine chapter was having a star fort with a big battering ram on the front and big ship sized harpoon guns mounted on it
when you have superior mass you can do funny things if you really try
vital barn
the main issue that the Admech and Titans in general have is that there's an infinite number of them that can be written into plots, they're big and scary and they're so powerful that if they work you just get five pages of the Titan glassing everything
thin ibex
the silliness of melee in 40k is just an accepted thing; cause it goes all the way up to starships and space marine strike cruisers literally ramming into anything they can manage to ram
ork kroozers also just face rolling
vital barn
so they're only introduced to show how the heroes can cleverly take one down and to up the stakes when the allied titan explodes
broken dew
ramming action with a star fort is sure to produce some excellent results
vital barn
same for Arks Mechanicus and forge worlds
broken dew
especially if you just deny the enemy the ability to run
main pagoda
I think the best example of titans being fed into the grinder and it actually having an impact is the yarrick books with Metallica
thin ibex
titans face a magnified space marine problem, in that when featured, they face a much higher attrition rate than is reasonable for space marines to exist the way they do in the setting
floral herald
Battlefleet Gothic was funny cause the ramming factions were Orks, which is obvious, followed by Imperial Navy, which is funny
thin ibex
werent the nids also like dedicated rammers
main pagoda
nids as well in the 2nd
broken dew
being a horde army has its uses
floral herald
No they did their own thing which involved moving next to enemy ships but didn’t use the ramming rules
vital barn
Titans are also supposedly weak to boarding, which is the one thing that every space marine protagonist can easily do
floral herald
They had grabby claws and pinchers for ships and such
thin ibex
Titans are also supposedly weak to boarding, which is the one thing that every s...
or one notable ork who did it on a motorcycle
vital barn
the titan onboard infantry are effective in a total of two books, one of which they still lose because they're fighting Sangy who literally has plot armour
thin ibex
lol
vital barn
possibly three times
broken dew
shokkjump dragsta moment
main pagoda
in brutal kunning its a shokkjump ya
broken dew
tfw you're a titan crew and there are two orks, a grot and a squig in your titan
vital barn
cannot stress enough that "T-posing on titans" is the default state for anyone fighting the Imperium because you can't worf space marines like that and guardsmen don't matter enough
thin ibex
one thing that is hard to parse for me is that if you actually look at titan designs, having on board troops and actual battles fought aboard only makes sense when you get to the largest classifications
main pagoda
princess is more than just a squig thank you very much
vital barn
despite all the memes about railguns they actually have a very good record against the Tau
main pagoda
thats a gork or possibly mork damned hero of the great green
vital barn
mostly because voids work really well on that kind of slow-fire-rate heavy hitter arsenal and they can shoot back at mantas
thin ibex
you can't like... actually climb up from the leg to the main body when you look at a titan's model
vital barn
the tigersharks have confirmed Warhound kills, but nothing bigger
thin ibex
titan's are largely an unsolved problem for the tau; they have weapons that can, in volume, do work
vital barn
(which makes sense because battle maniples are usually walking around with an escort of many AA tanks)
thin ibex
like hammerheads in coordination with seekers and other heavy weapons can do it in volume; mantas can do it but they actually lose in direct combat because while they have the guns, they don't have the defenses
vital barn
the dead Warlord in Brutal Kunning was in for repairs because it had just finished going 1v3 with Supremacy Suits, which is a pretty good showing for the supremacy suits given they're Knight Porphy/about Warhound sized
but I can't imagine they can just spam 'em
thin ibex
i mentally see the supremacy suits as being a stopgap kinda; they have the same problem as the manta where they have guns that work but not the mass or defense
vital barn
also folding lesser titans like tin cans is basically what warlords are for
if you want to siege you just get a reaver and tell it to start volcano cannoning
thin ibex
but also, i imagine warlords and bigger are super rare for the tau to actually encounter when not facing crusades
vital barn
yeah this is not a major problem for them
thin ibex
of which they've only dealt with what, 2 crusades?
broken dew
i have to imagine titans are probably not like, a massive thing they need to worry about
vital barn
titans face a magnified space marine problem, in that when featured, they face a...
I think they're actually OK on this because there are quite a few titan manufactorums and they don't tend to die in large numbers
if they can build a battle titan in 30 years and make half a dozen in parallel that's plenty for a couple of legios
broken dew
40k scale does make it hard for me to imagine how rare titans are to see on a battlefield though
vital barn
a big legion is a couple of hundred titans, a normal deployment is somewhere between 3 and 12
main pagoda
theres two main reasons titans show up, luck or scale
vital barn
almost every forge world has some kind of Titan Legion because they're one of the three major fighting arms of Mars
and it's a pride thing for a Forge World to have a big dick titan squad
broken dew
cause i always think back to the whole thing with most people in the imperium never even see a space marine and there's no way there is anywhere close to as many titans as there are space marines
thin ibex
i know for sm its like 'each warrior is a veteran of centuries of combat, able to sustain greivous injury and survive, able to face any challenge' and then in any novel they exist in (with a few exceptions) its pretty normal for like 30-100 marines to just get bodied. Which should constitute a massive loss for the chapter
broken dew
yeah
vital barn
there are about 10k to 30k forge worlds depending on what estimate you use, so I'll call it 20k
each forge world has a Titan Legion which is between maybe 50 and 300 titans, call it 100 on average
whoops there are now twice as many Titans as Space Marines
main pagoda
I personally subscribe to the theory thats it probably more rare for a knight to show up rather than a titan
vital barn
40k scale, everyone
broken dew
whoops there are now twice as many Titans as Space Marines
i sure do love 40k scale
main pagoda
because knights are fucking weird and annoying
broken dew
that's fucked
broken dew
I personally subscribe to the theory thats it probably more rare for a knight to...
that sounds kinda reasonable
mostly because i feel like they should have way worse attrition rates
titans are in the scale usually where you need dedicated weapons to go for a kill
thin ibex
it does seem that not all forge worlds are made equal, but also that kind of makes sense ot me that in total count there are more titans; because comparatively, titans are a hammer and space marines are a scalpel
vital barn
wait, never mind, slightly fewer
broken dew
whereas i feel knights are like, you could feasibly take them down with things you would normally be fielding on a large battlefield
main pagoda
oh yeah
broken dew
they don't have the size class diff of a titan
thin ibex
many titans can and do engaged by lesser forces and take damage/get overwhelmed, no? You don't actually need titan equivalents if you have enough volume
main pagoda
you can fairly reliably kill a knight with las cannons
vital barn
50 titans on average in a legio, of which Warlords are the most common, most forge worlds have a Legio, the more powerful will have several large legios (like Mars, which maintains two, or Xana, which had two massive ones)
vital barn
so probably about as many Titans as Marines
broken dew
they should be attritioning fast enough that deployment is happening a lot less
vital barn
except they deploy in groups of five rather than 100 so it's way harder for a legio to be summarily crippled by the loss of one deployment
especially if you're someone big dick like the Warp Runners and you have 200+ engines
thin ibex
they do have the problem of if they exist ina narrative, the whole deployment gets wrecked by the end
broken dew
idk how like, retrieval rates are on downed titans but i feel like knights would also be prone to just not having anything to retrieve when they get wrecked
vital barn
the retrieval rate is very good
vital barn
unless the reactor lets go they are usually recoverable
thin ibex
pretty sure the mechanicus fights like crazy to recover titan wrecks
broken dew
titans are unimaginably valuable
main pagoda
knights are as well
broken dew
so mechanicus fight like crazy to get them back
thin ibex
they're god machines, they're not just armored fighting stuff, they're symbols of divinity
main pagoda
but not to the same scale obv
broken dew
knights are as well
true but like i said i feel like they are more likely to just become scrap
as opposed to taking a big hit and just falling over
the mass diff is substantial
main pagoda
yes but even with a reactor explosion a knight can still be recovered
vital barn
the rank of "Axiarch", which is the guy who is in charge of a Titan force's faux-skitarii security forces, is usually granted to people who served in fallen Titan recovery missions
broken dew
fair enough
vital barn
with very few exceptions
Titandeath was such a notable campaign not just because it had a fuckton of titans in but because it was such an apocalyptic fight that nobody got to recover shit
thin ibex
i also imagine most titans, at least in 40k, are rarely deploying at 100% ready capacity, since demand is high they probably deploy from campaign to campaign frequently. Home guard deployments seem the most likely to have fully 100% titans from the get go
i imagine they get beat up and worn down just like itinerant sm forces
vital barn
so they just fed a whole bunch of legios into the grinder
broken dew
i'm not saying that knight recovery should be impossible or rare i just feel like Titans would generally be more suited to being able to take a big hit, go down, and have a lot of the parts not become slag
vital barn
they do, but they also spend a lot of time in transit being fixed up compared to Marines, who tend to be dead-dead
paper bluff
I think even if you're the adeptist mechanicist, you're going to try to recover a titan wreckage, because probably ideally you want to make the next titan out of that titan
vital barn
a single titan maniple at 50% strength probably has two fighting titans, one fighting wounded and two in for serious repairs, rather than a SM company at 50% strength who just has 50% less guys
thin ibex
you definitely have the practical side, you just also want to recover your holy relics
paper bluff
We do have to remember, there's technology but there's also religious reasons
broken dew
yeah the titans are also like, significant religious iconography so they also get big dibs for that
main pagoda
i'm not saying that knight recovery should be impossible or rare i just feel lik...
I think it comes down to being knocked down easier does actually help in knight recovery
paper bluff
Lmao
broken dew
I think it comes down to being knocked down easier does actually help in knight ...
that could actually be the case yeah
vital barn
many titans can and do engaged by lesser forces and take damage/get overwhelmed,...
this is possible but very difficult, because the whole point of Titans is "massive conventional force overmatch, go"
unless you're the Necrons anyway
broken dew
if they get killed by smaller tier weaponry they might just have taken a hole in a critical spot
vital barn
but they're necrons, they're bullshit
broken dew
as opposed to getting blown the fuck up
thin ibex
a single titan maniple at 50% strength probably has two fighting titans, one fig...
in fairness to narrative vs lore, at 50% strength, you might actually have only like 20% less guys and the rest in recovery comas or something
main pagoda
ye
broken dew
or having a giant weapon from an enemy mech rip through the whole fucking body or something
main pagoda
the thing they really want to recover is the command throne
everything else can be replaced more or less
vital barn
as mentioned, a Warlord in titanicus is taken under fire by a couple of hundred tanks and goes "eh, we might get the paint scratched"
it's very hard to put enough conventional fire in one place to fuck up Titans, just logistically
(apart from Warhounds, which are relatively squishy)
paper bluff
There's a bit in one of the death corps books, where the tech priest is more sociable than the Titan pilot in the liaison between forces And I think that's funny and also how they talk about Titan battles make you feel really insignificant as the infantry.
thin ibex
this is possible but very difficult, because the whole point of Titans is "massi...
what i mean is titans are going to be dominant in most arenas they fight, but also titans are going to be heavily outnumbered in most fights that arent a major campaign. Like... there might be 5 or 6 total for the whole AO. There are superheavies and heavies that have weapons that can be a threat, even if they certainly wont do the trick alone. By nature of attrition, damage accumulates
broken dew
the absolute gigachads at the centurio ordinatus solved that one epically
i fucking love the ordinatus
thin ibex
like shadowswords exist, ork big zappas exist, etc etc
vital barn
what i mean is titans are going to be dominant in most arenas they fight, but al...
yeah but outnumbered by what
broken dew
absolute peak weapons bullshittery
paper bluff
the thing they really want to recover is the command throne
The memcore maybe also
vital barn
you need entire platoons of shadowswords to threaten a battle titan, and those are also rare
main pagoda
that is the command throne
thin ibex
like nids have been depicted overwhelming titans with gaunts
like a lion being eaten by ants
main pagoda
the command throne is what has the spirts of past pilots so its what they place the most value on
vital barn
Titans also die to two orks and a dragster, yes
and Nids are kind of the kings of spam
they can just go "50 biotitans go"
broken dew
don't forget the grot and squig
vital barn
but going "we have all these Leman Russes/Hammerheads/Land Raiders, surely we can zap the titans into submission" is not going to go well, usually
thin ibex
i mean, knight commander pask led an armored spearhead that took out titans with his leman russ vanquisher
vital barn
massed land raider and Fellblade fire at Istavaan III managed to force back an Imperator, but only briefly
thin ibex
thoug he's not even featured anymore
vital barn
and that was five legions of armour
vital barn
i mean, knight commander pask led an armored spearhead that took out titans with...
he has what, two Warhound kills? that's possible if you are a named character freak tank ace, yeah
Longstrike gets one at one point, IIRC
oh no he got a Reaver kill with a battle cannon at one point
somehow
broken dew
have you ever considered mounting a space ship sized gun onto some tracks and pointing it at a titan
vital barn
his second titan fight is pretty emblematic, the Imperium lost 8000 tanks and 35 superheavies to bring down one Traitor titan legion
thin ibex
tbf battle cannon's actual ability to accomplish things has crazy variability
broken dew
his second titan fight is pretty emblematic, the Imperium lost 8000 tanks and 35...
horde army moment
lmao
vital barn
which is, what, 30 armoured divisions?
broken dew
8000 tanks is SUCH a funny fucking number
thin ibex
35 supes also feels notable
though ironically it feels like superheavy tanks are more rare than titans
broken dew
what an excellent use of 30 armored divisions, 35 superheavies and an afternoon with the lads
main pagoda
not baneblades themselves
vital barn
attempting to overmatch Titans by spamming regular tanks at them is possible but it requires you spending worlds' worth of industrial output trying to do it
broken dew
Ferb, i know what we're gonna do today
main pagoda
but the more wacky variants yes
vital barn
it is also fairly important that Titans win those kind of engagements because otherwise there would basically be no point to them whatsoever
thin ibex
nbd just be pask and let the god emperor bless your battle cannon
broken dew
difference of skill
main pagoda
he is actually just him
thin ibex
one shot a titan that you should never be able to kill
vital barn
he apparently got a reactor hit on it
broken dew
lucky ass shot
vital barn
the battle cannon does have stats in Titanicus, let me check
main pagoda
tbf if any leman was going to it would be a vanquisher
thin ibex
I imagine orky tech can be annoying. 90% of your battles is just total dominance, then every so often a zap lazer that looks no different than the other zap lazers might just dust your entire titan
vital barn
it wasn't even a vanquisher cannon!
main pagoda
oh lmao
thin ibex
and that same orky zap lazer that dusted your titan? there's probably a crater where the mek who made it existed moments ago too
broken dew
but yeah i'm still the Centurio Ordinatus main girl because this is simply peak
main pagoda
I imagine orky tech can be annoying. 90% of your battles is just total dominance...
the gargant to titan K:L ratio is terrible but theres always more gargants
thin ibex
yeah its like nids, in that its just finding the size of "big enough' and spamming it
instead of matchign quality
vital barn
ah, standard Russ battle cannon, one S5 shot with Ordnance
main pagoda
we do love the meklords teleporting gargant
vital barn
that can technically harm a reaver's chest armour but only on a 6
broken dew
i love Ork names
thin ibex
orkish titan scale mechs', especially the larger ones, have honestly rediculous belly guns.
pastel rampart
tbf if any leman was going to it would be a vanquisher
Destroyer variant has a laser destroyer taking up most of the hull and that could probably do it too.
thin ibex
a lot of orky guns would be many times more dangerous if the user with it could aim too
broken dew
i love the Mega Gargants
thin ibex
there's rarely an issue with how dangerous an ork gun is
broken dew
even has fuckass vestigial arms for i assume melee combat somehow
thin ibex
its just... the user rarely cares if it actually hits
vital barn
a single russ vs an undamaged titan is literally not worth thinking about because it can't fire fast enough to degrade void shields
I magine pask had many friends
thin ibex
pask just fired the killing hsot im sure
there was likely stuff that preceded that moment
not to take away form the achievement
cause its still a big deal
broken dew
perhaps Pask utilised the power of 30 armored divisions worth of tanks
main pagoda
he had a full company which is as big as required
thin ibex
but i dont think he casually solo'd it
vital barn
yeah, he hit the glowing orange weak spot
pastel rampart
Thunderer might also damage if not take out a titan because demolisher cannons don't fuck around.
vital barn
demo cannons are things Warhound pilots need to be wary of because they are mean if they hit a small titan in the joints, I believe
and Warhound drivers do a lot of cityfighting
thin ibex
i imagine theres also a line in the sand between 'can hurt the titan' and 'is a notable kill threat to the titan' when it comes to most standard armor
pastel rampart
Yeah.
thin ibex
titans can get hurt a lot without going down
main pagoda
mobility killed vs combat killed
pastel rampart
A group of vanquishers, thunderers, or destroyers are a credible threat to warhounds and even reavers because they sport big boy guns.
vital barn
there's also "is a notable threat to titans in ideal circumstances" and "can stand up to a Titan battle line" because if a squad of shadowswords jumps a bunch of warlords standing together with shields up and overlapping it's highly likely they all die very quickly
thin ibex
like your laser destroyers and railguns can certainly harm a titan; but they're not winning without exigent circumstances
vital barn
you need to be sneaky about it and not all terrain provides you the opportunity to be sneaky
main pagoda
I did like the SoT show with the shadowsword
vital barn
even less terrain provides you the opportunity to be sneaky when the Titans have been shooting at it for a few hours
thin ibex
just paint yourself purple, nbd
vital barn
whereas Space Marines will happily throw themselves into urban combat where you can theoretically jump 'em
(but probably won't)
pastel rampart
Yeah like a squad of LRs can kill a titan but can't do it without support, usually via another titan stripping the void shields off first and careful aiming at joints/exposed engines.
broken dew
Titans do have the advantage of being able to turn terrain advantages into so much rubble
main pagoda
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SwDOCkiaSuM ignore the slop title
thin ibex
orky strats, be sneaky with your ant titan gun by distracting the titan with a bunch of other anti titan guns. At least half dont even work before they get destroyed
main pagoda
or jjust drop a building on it
thin ibex
but they have energy signatures that say they're dangerous
alternative, scale shokk attack gun strats, teleport warp crazed boyz directly into the titan
broken dew
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SwDOCkiaSuM ignore the slop title
damn they dropped a nuke on that fuckers head
main pagoda
oh no thats just the shadowsword reactor going off
broken dew
ooohh
main pagoda
shadowswords do have the bad habit of going kaboom
broken dew
well it's so much dust in the wind regardless
broken dew
shadowswords do have the bad habit of going kaboom
the upgrade to getting an unlucky hit and having your ammo cook
vital barn
that shadowsword also had the advantage of being on Terra when everything was very warpy and sensors were kinda fucked
main pagoda
yeah
broken dew
it got super lucky and also got turned into ash even so
thin ibex
also wasnt every titan in that group damaged to some extent?
broken dew
don't fuck with titans i guess
thin ibex
like the repair guy at the start was like "yo we need another 36 hours or some shit to finish repairs' and she was like "you have 4"
implying a lot of repairs went uncompleted
main pagoda
yeah thats the SoT for you
vital barn
sadly the siege of terra titan book was decidedly mid
main pagoda
basically this is everything going right for the shadowsword
vital barn
although it did have the ancestral warp missile showdown which was cute
broken dew
ancestral warp missile?
vital barn
titan legions challenging each other to go band for band with archaeotech weaponry
main pagoda
im currently rereading the SoT books
vital barn
which normally you just keep in your fortress and never shoot because they're cool relics
main pagoda
forgot how peak solar war is
vital barn
a warp missile, notably, is not a vortex missile
it's a missile that goes to warp drive out of the launcher and reappears inside the enemy Titan
thin ibex
its ok, vortex missiles are just damage 1 2d6 attack blast weapons
broken dew
it's a missile that goes to warp drive out of the launcher and reappears inside ...
that sounds fucking nasty
vital barn
and because you're triggering a warp drive next to your own face it's kind of hard to make them safe
broken dew
i can see how that is both fucked up effective and liable to get you killed
sour sequoia
The fact that she buffs only Skitarii is a bit unfortunate. Because they already...
I mean this one’s always a little funky because as much as people complain about this there’s like… datasheets that aren’t able to get the skitarii keyword in the army
vital barn
anyway the Loyalist legions at Terra dig out all their warp missiles and slam 'em on the table and everyone goes "what the fuck" because even in "we're all doomed" levels of danger you just don't do that, that's a permanent diminishment of your cool stuff stockpile
sour sequoia
Big punchbots, corpuscarii, fulgurites, enginseers.
Fuck I guess 6 with cawl and ghuld herself but that barely matters
broken dew
anyway the Loyalist legions at Terra dig out all their warp missiles and slam 'e...
i feel like that's the level of "we're all doomed" where you wanna do that though
vital barn
yeah but they're Admech, they're a little nuts
broken dew
like there are levels to being absolutely doomed, that was like the max level
it's a difference if like
vital barn
they are not sensible about when to deploy the secret thingummybob reserves
broken dew
everyone there will die and someone else can loot your shit later
cause then you could just leave the relic shit so someone has it
thin ibex
isnt every super special cool gun and ammo ALSO a holy relic meant to be preserved forever and ever no matter what, and the people who actually want to use the guns are a minority within the priesthood?
broken dew
but that was like, if we lose it's the enemy that gets it
main pagoda
essentially all of the legios on terra for the loyalists are near destroyed by this time
vital barn
isnt every super special cool gun and ammo ALSO a holy relic meant to be preserv...
there are levels to it
main pagoda
still have to argue about who leads the maniples because its mechanicus
vital barn
your average guardsman's holy relic bolter is not something a Magos is going to think twice about unloading into a guy
broken dew
they are not sensible about when to deploy the secret thingummybob reserves
evidently
siege of terra seems to me at least like the time to pull out everything
vital barn
and also, by the Mechanicus creed, some holy things are meant to be used
deploying Titans is itself an act of faith, you get points for doing that
broken dew
if you lose you lose everything anyway so you might as well just full send
vital barn
it's the irreplaceable stuff they get really uptight about
broken dew
at least you have a chance of keeping some of the stuff if you managed to survive
thin ibex
yeah but dogma is rarely reasonable
broken dew
true
thin ibex
i always figured at least 20% of mechanicus deploying titans with the imperium is a way to flex/evangelize. Sure they have ancient agreemetns and alliances and agreements; also tho, look at how fucking cool my mechs are, look at how much they wreck, and look at how you dont have them. Isn't hte Omnissiah fuckin sick?
vital barn
yeah
Skitarii never seem to show up as much as they should but Titans are all over the shop
mostly Skittles are there in tiny penny packets in various books when we do know that forge worlds love helicoptering their robodongs by deploying millions of tinmen
but that's just 40k novel scale
thin ibex
they're kinda usually just around if the books not about them
as like, background guys
who sometimes get a byline about taking bad damage but being fine
and having arcane and strange weaponry
the marketing priests of mars know they don't really have the punch that titans do for conversions
noosphere just filled with ads is a funny idea
vital barn
they also get scrapcoded badly
broken dew
ngl if i saw a titan i'd also probably have a religious moment over it
vital barn
Titans can usually dodge the worst of that
but if there are a lot of skits in a book expect them to all change eye colour from blue to red and start shooting the heroes stat
thin ibex
isnt that caus titan's machine spirits are like... super hefty and wilful?
princeps being some of hte strongest wills in the imperium to handle em
vital barn
yeah, unless you're that one random alpha legion guy in their newer books
who can apparently just mind control warlords
lmao
broken dew
???
main pagoda
they are one of the few machine spirts that are so "real" we get actual depictions of them
thin ibex
chaos gets to cheat frequently
vital barn
its not that "hack the noosphere" is a plotline without any legs, it's just so overdone by this point
main pagoda
they can also be angsty teens
vital barn
give me sick-ass noospheric hacker wars at least
they do that briefly in Titandeath and it rules
thin ibex
its the easy win against the admech. Lets not mention that its a complex thing that requires expertise n such
main pagoda
oh the ship scenes at the start
main pagoda
its chefs kiss
vital barn
everything that should be a Mechanicus strength is a weakness, everything that should be a weakness is still a weakness
no Mechanicus priests have any expertise in cybersecurity
dense wharf
TBF as far as "anyone" goes, Alpha Legion's whole thing is internal sabotage
They are absolutely the people who would know how to futz with cyber security
thin ibex
too busy talking to the sales priests
main pagoda
but there are limits right
vital barn
he didn't internally sabotage shit, a titan showed up and started wrecking house and he stared at it and it went chaos on the spot
thin ibex
never got the forticlientus defense net router
broken dew
epic chaos conversion
vital barn
and then they somehow scrapcoded the entire forge world from one random base in the north pole that had maybe 1000 skits at it
broken dew
average alpha legion situation
main pagoda
And it does kinda spit in the face of what has been established as a very hard thing to do (corrupt a titan machine spirt)
vital barn
the skits do better than average because they actually manage to kill a few dozen Marines in defence
thin ibex
i feel like admech and aeldari get about the same opportunity to win in general; with the aeldari having their most recent win in narrative being the ynnari saga and nothing thereafter
broken dew
hacking would be fair if they did hack anything and if machine spirits weren't a thing i feel
thin ibex
but aeldari, narratively, are supposed to be like... living out their big lose
vital barn
Admech have tons of individually cool character moments and as far as I can tell zero wins in an open battle ever
vital barn
the Myrmidon in Silent King who equipped a no-phasing-device and beat the crap out of three Wraiths? based
that's going out like a true cogboy
thin ibex
aeldari usually get lip service to their dodging n stuff and being deadly, and then just lose anyway
broken dew
they're the fucking tech guys, why are they getting less wins than the guard
vital barn
they're both ideal worfing targets and have a lot of things that people just declare are their weaknesses for vibes reasons
broken dew
i know guard have infinite numbers but the Mechanicus hace fucking technosorcerers
vital barn
they're weak to hacking, melee, sneakiness, brute force....
thin ibex
like aeldari titans are meant to be moving with pretty much a person's fidelity and doing flips n stuff, with cool guns n all that, but they dont actually beat anything
broken dew
everyone is weak to melee and brute force if you have enough of it
vital barn
literally anything unpredictable including Orks deciding to W+M1, which is not unpredictable
dense wharf
i know guard have infinite numbers but the Mechanicus hace fucking technosorcere...
Besides GW writing favorites? Its also the mechanicus being the perfect "pride goeth before the fall" guys before the imperium since they're both very haughty, and very likely to engage in terminal amounts of hubris
"Don't worry guys, we can take this tomb world"
main pagoda
trying to think of the last time i read about eldar titans
vital barn
they actually do OK against necrons
thin ibex
i feel like the custodes might be the most resistant to the 'elite guys die in droves' problem
vital barn
like, they win Mechanicus 1, canonically
dense wharf
Yeah
vital barn
and they've been fighting a hacker war against the crons for a while now and not doing terribly
dense wharf
their novel count ain't great, but just having a video game as protagonists gives them Ws
vital barn
they invented the don't phase me bro device and mass-produced a decent number of them in Silent King
although those will probably not show up again
dense wharf
TBF its the imperium, its amazing mass production of las guns is even possible
the thing is too damn big for its own good
untold swallow
THE SPACE MARINE KNOWS NO FEAR, FOR HE IS FEAR INCARNATE!!!
thin ibex
eldar titans are effectively piloted by loads of ghosts iirc
vital barn
i feel like the custodes might be the most resistant to the 'elite guys die in d...
the thing about Custodes is that their players get salty about them dying at all, so it kind of skews things
but they do have very good showings
main pagoda
eldar titans are effectively piloted by loads of ghosts iirc
depends on the titan
i think its ghosts or they do the pacific rim thing
vital barn
although that time one of them got blasted by a Knight Armiger meltagun and people started asking if it was some DAOT superweapon was very funny
tired cairn
They had grabby claws and pinchers for ships and such
The tyranids are the only ones to have melee in BFG
thin ibex
end of the day a melta gun is a melta gun
vital barn
dude he got shot by the throngling device and died, what are you on
vital barn
it took two shots, that's better than most
thin ibex
auramite is unbelievably tough and good n shit, but a melta gun is specifically built to get through unbelievably tough stuff
main pagoda
also i think this is jusdt a funny image
thin ibex
it apparently a big deal that eldar titans can like dead sprint or whatever
and run and jump n stuff
tired cairn
They didn't really seem to melee in the video game BFG2. And they weren't exactly good at ramming except that they had a lunge and that was really good at catching an enemy in a mutually-damaging ram, which had its uses (and was hilarious)
broken dew
when your opponents move like slugs the ability to sprint does seem useful
runic swallow
end of the day a melta gun is a melta gun
“Jurgan, vaporize this unpleasant fellow”
“E’yup boss”
vital barn
Custodes are actually the only other faction that the Mechanicum does decently against
although the book is still written in very goldwank terms
broken dew
that's quite funny
vital barn
lots of flexing on unled battle automata
floral herald
They didn't really seem to melee in the video game BFG2. And they weren't exactl...
The BFG video games (wisely) take a lot of liberties