cant remember the names of the modules but i can tell that they've got the one for saves in the screenshots Lime posted, cause its what puts all the targets' saving throws in the chat card like that
#Pathfinder
steel blade
but eg from my blood lords game, there's a module that adds these buttons below damage rolls so you can apply damage as needed(it doesnt have anything to differentiate between attacks and saves; the half/double buttons would only be used on save based damage effects iirc)
i think the same module also has a way to just apply damage automatically instead of having you click, we just don't do that in my game in case anybody gets a little too excited about rolling damage, so we can be like 'hey that should/n't have hit because xyz' or for any reactions etc
static gazelle
target helper is a function of pf2e toolbelt
I believe the apply damage buttons are base system
steel blade
yeah i was just verifying that 
was between toolbelt and workbench for which module it came from
true delta
Indeed!
green ruin
My GM is allowing me to play luminary for a high level pf one shot
"Hi Valeros." "Hi Rakim Myers"
light gyro
trying to get some details for pathfinder organised play and of course THE SITE IS UNUSABLE!!!!! PAIZO!!!!!
heady quarry
small question
how do archetypes work?
i saw the drake rider archetype
and did not see it
wraith snow
You take them as an alternative to a class feat
wraith snow
Usually they have a restriction stating that once you select a Dedication, which is the feat you take to enter an archtype, you must take at least two followup feats from that archtype before you can get a new dedication
The ones which don't follow that rule will generally say so, for example Familiar Master and Familiar Sage are interchangeable.
wraith snow
How much CHA investment would people say is required for Demoralize to be valid on a martial? Taking the +1 from Intimidating Prowess into account.
static gazelle
yeah if you're demoralizing lower level targets for terrified retreat, high proficiency and maybe a couple points of charisma should generally be enough
wraith snow
In this case it's exactly how many points in it I need is what I'm trying to figure out
static gazelle
I'd go for +1 or +2 at level 1 tbh
+2 isn't necessary at 1, but it's nice to have +3 or +4 by late levels
wraith snow
Admittedly it's mostly bc the character is STR-KAS and is already as good as one can get at athletics
So I need other skills to be half decent at
static gazelle
what class?
wraith snow
Fighter
static gazelle
you could also take decent wisdom
warped orbit
Generally +1 Cha will be okay enough IME
static gazelle
have at least trained in religion/medicine/survival for access to battle medicine, a common recall knowledge skill, and a practical skill
warped orbit
Your off stats start catching up with boosts anyway
wraith snow
you could also take decent wisdom
this is also something I considered just bc I like having good perception just as a general rule but none of the options seemed that appealing
The campaign will use stamina rules so Medicine looks a lot less appealling
static gazelle
yeah
my oracle is at +1 str, +4 dex, +1 con, +2 int, +3 wis, +5 cha at level 12
the str is mostly for a little bit better damage with unarmed attacks
it does actually make a bit of difference between 2d8+2d6 and 2d8+1+1d6
and it means I don't have completely awful athletics
still "only" +15
but it's nice to be good at climbing and swimming for a campaign that's currently doing wilderness exploration
right now I'm also at expert diplomacy, master medicine/society/survival
actually no
expert survival
forgot how many skill increases I have at this level
and additional lore warfare just in case
it's an incredibly strange build but it's mostly just kind of developed over the campaign instead of being a build
martial artist is because I was making unarmed attacks anyway
and 2d8 with property runes is a hell of a lot better than 1d4
tiger stance is also just really good on casters because 10ft step can get you out of reach weapon threat
echo briar
The campaign will use stamina rules so Medicine looks a lot less appealling
Nope, now it's more important, because in combat healing is way worse
wraith snow
I don't think I really follow there, out of combat you can recover stamina without medicine and recovering whatever portion of health you might've lost isn't all that difficult
I feel like the more appealing aspect of Medicine investment is Battle Medicine which suffers the same drawback
echo briar
You will be ending fights at much lower hp in stamina rules
static gazelle
being able to basically always heal to full between combats is still good
warped orbit
this is also something I considered just bc I like having good perception just a...
Fighter has amazing Perception anyway, so you're probably fine in that regard
echo briar
because in combat healing will rarely heal the full amount.
static gazelle
they have decent perception, but more wisdom is still good to have
our rogue hasn't invested in wisdom and doesn't have that great perception
similarly, wisdom casters have very good perception even with slow progression
warped orbit
they have decent perception, but more wisdom is still good to have
They have the fastest progression and an innate circ bonus, it doesn't really get better than that
static gazelle
they have the fastest progression until they don't get legendary
and the circumstance is for initiative
warped orbit
It's not quite as good as Rogue and some others, but Fighters still have extremely good Perception prof
static gazelle
yeah it's good, I'm just saying wisdom is good to have
warped orbit
Yes, not contesting that
static gazelle
because a +4 wis cleric with trained will have as good perception as a +0 wis fighter with master
warped orbit
Yeah but you're probably not gonna stay at +0
You're probably minimum gonna be +1 by level 5
wraith snow
because in combat healing will rarely heal the full amount.
Right, but you only lose health to begin with once you lose the stamina buffer, even if the in-combat healing is worse. My experience with the system is that you rarely get dropped too low in most encounters that aren't near to the end of the adventuring day anyways.
Not to say it never happens, but I would say it's uncommon.
warped orbit
Right, but you only lose health to begin with once you lose the stamina buffer, ...
The Stamina rules are kinda weird, and mostly just make healing much worse IME
static gazelle
yeah, it's just sometimes good to start past +0 in the first place
I think for str fighter I'd go 4/0/2/1/1/1 or 4/0/2/0/2/1 and save up for full plate as soon as possible
can shuffle the 0, 2, and 1 however you want in the mental stats
are you going for one-hand + free hand, two-hand, dual wielding, or shield?
wraith snow
The weapon is a jaws strike so my hands are effectively just whatever works, probably shield + free hand
rustic cape
Admittedly it's mostly bc the character is STR-KAS and is already as good as one...
Intimidating Prowess will help
static gazelle
yeah intimidating prowess helps, but adding it to existing charisma means you get a really good modifier
rustic cape
Since it gives you a boost to Intimidate for having good Strength
warped orbit
Skills also outpace DCs as level rises, assuming you keep up investment in prof and skill items
static gazelle
they outpace the level-based DC table, I don't know if they outpace saves
warped orbit
Considering your skill mods will be much higher than spellcasting, I'd say yes
static gazelle
fair
I'll need to look at the math at some point
and just assume that the primary combat skills are athletics and intimidation
warped orbit
Skill items being a thing is already a pretty significant boost there
static gazelle
which mainly just determines when the skill item modifiers will come in
for athletics I'll probably factor in lifting belt+armbands or weapon runes
weapon runes as the specialized mod, skill items as the primary mod
warped orbit
Potency runes are reasonable to assume most of the time on Trip and similar I think
wraith snow
yeah, it's just sometimes good to start past +0 in the first place
I think for s...
Though I am trying to avoid heavy armor, the GM is trying to experiment with a lot more punishing terrain (balance, leaping, etc) so I don't really want to eat the speed penalty if I can help it. My plan was to just stick on medium the entire time and take just enough dex to have optimal AC.
static gazelle
ah
then yeah put one mental into dex and take breastplate
warped orbit
Optimal dex for medium is just +1 yeah
static gazelle
and 1 each in wisdom and charisma
warped orbit
Though then you have the issue of your Reflex saves being worse
static gazelle
wisdom is also nice for will saves, fear effects are common but not the most punishing will saves
I'd say keep boosting dex as you level up
and take reflexive shield
but yeah heavy armor does definitely have the tradeoff of speed
warped orbit
5 ft speed penalty is generally worth it IMO
static gazelle
fighter doesn't have the worst reflex, but you still want to be boosting dex because you can't rely on bulwark
it's terrain dependent
warped orbit
For +1 AC and Bulwark
static gazelle
I know guardian just doesn't ever have to care about dex because lmao mighty bulwark
warped orbit
Well difficult terrain is fortunately pretty easy to eliminate as a factor now
static gazelle
oh yeah I did some analysis and iirc
latest level for expert will is 5, latest for expert fortitude is 9, and latest for expert reflex is 13
reflex is also generally the worst save on PCs
it's the most likely to stay at expert
wait why? I know rangers don't care about it
wraith snow
Though then you have the issue of your Reflex saves being worse
There's a fighter feat that gives +2 to reflex saves when you have a shield raised, but yeah that'll be an issue
warped orbit
wait why? I know rangers don't care about it
Okay its a bit more higher level than I remembered, so I can't be quite as dismissive as I was
But this exists at level 14
static gazelle
it does take up a hand or need to be affixed to a polearm/spear iirc
warped orbit
But also also, you can just jump around if there's difficult terrain
static gazelle
you can, but that's still much slower than walking over non-difficult terrain and takes feat investment to make it work better
warped orbit
it does take up a hand or need to be affixed to a polearm/spear iirc
Any weapon or shield
static gazelle
oh
neat
warped orbit
you can, but that's still much slower than walking over non-difficult terrain an...
Quick Jump and maybe Assurance gets you to reliable jumps pretty fast IME
static gazelle
actually yeah
then you mix in powerful leap
and your consistent distance is 15+proficiency
up to a maximum of speed
which comes online by 6 if you're at 25 speed
static gazelle
yeah
though more athletics feats can make that better
quick climb, combat climber
spend your general feats on those and fleet
static gazelle
it's so good my martial artist oracle has 35 speed
5 from fleet, 5 from boots
plus 10ft step and wings
warped orbit
Fleet is practically mandatory I feel
And Trick Magic Item for your Wand of Tailwind
static gazelle
iirc my ancestry feats have been
natural ambition for reach spell
scion of many planes for grimspawn (because that gives me diehard)
wings
then at 13 I'm taking the teleport and at 17 I'm taking permanent wings
the only oracle feats I have are reach spell and greater revelation
wraith snow
The party will have a Commander who's intending on taking the climb speed tactic so that'll help things along
static gazelle
nice
wraith snow
The GM has asked we avoid flight or teleportation to uhhh, actually interact with the setpieces, which is fair enough
static gazelle
fair
I'm doing it because it's part of my character concept
using innate daemonic powers without actually turning to evil
wraith snow
But also it's mostly going to be like 2-12 from what I understand so a lot of the consistent flight speeds won't even come online till towards the end anyways, with a few exceptions
static gazelle
and I specifically talked with my GM about having part of my character's arc be eventually healing his wings (since they broke, then healed wrong faster than he could get proper treatment)
so right now he can use them once per day
which is a reason to take the feats at level 9 and 17 rather than just having flight from the start
wraith snow
Still split on ancestry choice, atm it's between Goblin or Lizardfolk
static gazelle
lizardfolk!
wraith snow
I want a d8 unarmed attack and the list of those available outside of a stance isn't very long
static gazelle
actually bakuwa heritage gives you integrated breastplate basically
which saves some starting money
though sandstrider is good too for fire resistance
cliffscale gives better climbing
cloudleaper opens up some interesting escape routes and movement tactics that would normally take cat fall and acrobatics investment
wraith snow
I was looking at Frilled if I go that route, intimidating glare is nice and my goal is crit fishing so having the ability to apply frightened 2 on regular success seems solid
static gazelle
ooh that is really good
wraith snow
Then for Goblin it would just be Razortooth + Fang Sharpener
heady quarry
heheeh i don't know half the word spoken here
anyway what are your guys throughts on kholos and dragonets aswell as dhampires
heady quarry
i noticed
warped orbit
anyway what are your guys throughts on kholos and dragonets aswell as dhampires
Kholo are good, just wish they had some more feats
haven't looked at Dragonets yet
and Dhampir are cool, but also I don't like negative healing unless the whole party has it
heady quarry
haven't looked at Dragonets yet
and Dhampir are cool, but also I don't like nega...
enemies with voiddamage give you healing
warped orbit
they don't give you healing, they just don't damage you
you are still only healed by dedicated negative healing effects
warped orbit
the reason I don't like it is that it complicates healing for the party, because they now need to make exceptions for you with everything
can't get targeted by the Heal font Cleric, can't use healing potions, or most other healing effects
it introduces a lot of extra overhead, so I find it a hassle unless the whole party is negative healing
heady quarry
hmmm good point
warped orbit
there are some ways around it, like dipping Oracle
and a few ancestry/heritage feats I believe, but a lot of those come pretty late
wraith snow
It does depend on where the healing in your party is coming from, to an extent.
heady quarry
what do you lot think of changelings?
warped orbit
It does depend on where the healing in your party is coming from, to an extent.
it's less of a pain if you mainly heal through Medicine yes
but that's still an extra feat tax on your Medicine person
wraith snow
If the primary source is Soothe anyways, it's less of a bother, which describes a fair bit of the parties I've seen.
warped orbit
the only primary heal that really works for negative healing is Soothe
but Soothe is also not that great
wraith snow
It's not but it works, my experience has been that one Bard with Soothe is generally sufficient. It's not amazing but I don't think heal font is mandatory or anything either.
warped orbit
it's definitely not mandatory
my point is mostly that negative healing in a party with regular healing otherwise, introduces extra friction
it's not unworkable, but it does make things more complicated
and I'm just personally not a fan of it
rustic cape
the only primary heal that really works for negative healing is Soothe
Garden of Healing from animist, amusingly!
warped orbit
Oh right, that one isn't positive for some reason
heady quarry
so which races do you lot like
heady quarry
My animist was a ghoul
vanilla ice be like
heady quarry
i was making jojo joke
since vanilla ice is a vampire
well was
considering he's dust now
wraith snow
so which races do you lot like
Tengu was fun, I like all of the various plant guys but haven't actually played one yet, halflings are my elfgame staple
heady quarry
i see
warped orbit
I have no strong feelings ancestry wise
A lot of the core ancestries are very good though
Human and Elf particularly
warped orbit
I think about doing an Elf with Adopted Ancestry Dwarf sometimes
Elf speed with Unburdened Iron
turbid dagger
I think about doing an Elf with Adopted Ancestry Dwarf sometimes
Consider- the chosen one
Half dwarf half elf custom heritage
warped orbit
You can just do half ancestry heritage for anything now
Which would also be an option
Just not quite sure if it's better than having a different heritage
green ruin
Elf speed with Unburdened Iron
I'm doing this for a Gish(?) Cloistered cleric with a centaur raised by dwarves
wraith snow
Currently it's looking like my character will end up both master in Warfare Lore and -1 Int
Which is a very funny combination of traits to think about how to portray
wraith snow
Fighter
I get it to Trained via background and to Expert via a Dedication feat I'm taking for unrelated reasons
eager mountain
surreal basin
I have a wood/water kinet
In my upcoming game
I wanna give him a rival
And im thinking of having it be a metal/fire kinet
robust perch
oh I have a buddy who plays a wood/water kinet
turbid dagger
I suspect strongly that it is the most common kineticist build!
It sort of does everything
heady quarry
I have a wood/water kinet
bro's a pice of drift wood
heady quarry
the werecrocodiles are cool
rustic cape
But where are they?!
echo briar
https://2e.aonprd.com/Deities.aspx?ID=282 Is Erastil's major boon about the level of a lvl 11 item?
wraith snow
Maybe a bit higher but not in a way I would expect to impact game balance at all.
rapid wagon
are there any pf2e items, like potions or scrolls, that I can purchase that would allow my character to stay on guard all night with no negative effect the following morning?
static gazelle
first thing I can think of is a ring of sustenance reducing sleep requirements to 2 hours
so you'd have two party members each with one
autumn coral
heroforging a design concept for my radiant prism cleric... i want to give them a more bold rainbowy metallic iridescent paint but this is the only iridescent paint mix i have rn
static gazelle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU6g-vS8Vaw
ooh nice
pathfinder 1e beginner box was the first ttrpg I ever played
tight flare
Is there any lore out there for the zodiac ogre?
I'm going to go into starlit sentinel
And that sign would be thematically appropriate for my hungerseed 😄
robust perch
there's a bit in one of the Tian Xia books...let me get my copy and see
from Tian Xia Character Guide: Tian Shen was tasked to travel through Shenmen from one end of the land to the Sea of Ghosts without walking on the earth or flying. Luckily, during his journey, he witnessed a fierce battle between a jorogumo, transformed into a giant spider, and a brutal ogre. After the bloodied ogre won and then subsequently fled, Tian Shen pulled a single strand of silk from the giant spider and used it to walk across the nation with mythical balance.
green ruin
This was being sold as UKGE today
clever cobalt
Nice
heady quarry
This was being sold as UKGE today
Noice
i will attempt to get my parents to get me the books for the gamer
gmae
game
fuck
steel blade
happy pride