that was a really fun AD game
#DOTA 2
viscid tapir
glossy stratus
Oh I meant to mention @light urchin very solid Demonic Purges, there was at least a few on OD that massively changed the fight
raw meadow
poooogleeee
light urchin
Oh I meant to mention <@238740000999604224> very solid Demonic Purges, there was...
o7
I know just tossing out Tame The Beasts did some shit as well
cursive wing
new bane is so funny
when you get stacks on someone nightmare just easily lasts 8 secons
so you sleep someone at the edge of a teamfight away from it
they just get to watch
honestly it's really diegetic
glossy stratus
@viscid tapir from doing a bit of testing, I don't think the Feverish -hp regen actually works at all
viscid tapir
so I was even more right.
glossy stratus
Yep lol
glossy stratus
Also possible it's a demo mode issue but the rest of the stats work so I'm pretty sure it's either % or just wrong
viscid tapir
The opposite of the Small Workshop bug...
glossy stratus
I think that bug might have predated my time with Neb
light urchin
Oh man i didn't clock the other night but
Venomancer just became hell on earth for every AD carry ever
glossy stratus
It's not huge damage for anyone except Windrunner (and Troll probably), but it's definitely annoying
Honestly the more ridiculous part is laning, it's 160 damage at level 1 for 70 mana that bonks you for last hits/denies
light urchin
Yeah, egregious
glossy stratus
Veno is ridiculously mean in lane now that he gets poison attack for free as well
Level 2 veno with Gale + Snakebite is unreasonably rude
...actually, after testing, it works on split attacks, this is actually hilarious against Gyro and 'Dusa as well
raw meadow
uhm ackshually isnt this just worse than deadly poiso- wait wrong game
viscid tapir
I think that bug might have predated my time with Neb
There was 1 ptb patch where Small Workshop gave +10% max repair. Except actually it gave +10 instead of +0.1
glossy stratus
Oh no lmao
Also oh no:
Note that this recording ends because my game crashes
It seems to consistently crash with 4 dummies but not with 4 venomancers
I had missed this change, really drives home how strong this was before
I'm pretty sure it's still one of the top few shards
Or top like third at least
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone for some defending of the ancients?
nooo we missed derpghost
glossy stratus
I probably shouldn't for like 30-45 minutes
raw meadow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJQx7NJHWPc&t=18m54s @manic nimbus
holy
fuck
I'm going to die
cursive wing
yooo i can steal this now
viscid tapir
I probably shouldn't for like 30-45 minutes
game 1 is done, you up for game 2?
glossy stratus
Give me like 5 more mins
viscid tapir
sounds good
raw meadow
glossy stratus
Okay these changes are probably good but at first I thought you were saying there was a letter patch for specifically the Primal Beast change
And honestly that would've been peak
RIP Rubick getting BKB-piercing Ravage
cursive wing
I played a game where a rubick just kept charge all game
reef parcel
worsened?
I appreciate this wording
It's because BAT confuses people
They think bigger number better
raw meadow
r.. reduction.. bonus.... ?
manic nimbus
nerfed reduction bonus subtraction buff
raw meadow
dothac0
viscid tapir
lower base attack time = it takes less time to make an attack, so attack speed has a higher impact
most heroes have 1.7 BAT
I don't know if it's exactly 100 attack speed = 1 attack per second if at 1 BAT, but it's something like that
raw meadow
begins bleeding
viscid tapir
so Ashley is right, low BAT = good, and "worsened" is probably the better word here
viscid tapir
especially so you avoid "Base Attack Time Reduction bonus reduced from..."
raw meadow
yeah 'worsened' for sure clarifies the effect of the change
manic nimbus
usually they just do one at a time
viscid tapir
Primal Beast
Colossal
Now slightly grows in size when crossing an HP threshold
enormous buff
manic nimbus
large lad large lad
manic nimbus
his changes do look nice
like that guy
might try him as a support a little
he does fit my thing
viscid tapir
plus it'll be good to bully Alex out of the offlane sometimes, keep my practice up for other roles.
speaking of, <@&877973728997294120> anyone for some games?
manic nimbus
we have a street festival thing here so gonna be at that for a bit at least
raw meadow
i would offer to join and irreparably ruin your vision game for the duration of the match but i am being pulled away
glossy stratus
I probably shouldn't until I know I have an hour free, so like 80 mins from now
cursive wing
yes
glossy stratus
I'll probably hop in to spevtate in a bit though
Temptation to play Mirana support is rising ...
light urchin
Later tonight, maybe!
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up for some games? Lark and I were maybe hoping to play some Ability Draft, but I'm fine with anything
light urchin
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up for some games? Lark and I were maybe hoping to...
Oh, I'm around for something if y'all still are
viscid tapir
Oh, I'm around for something if y'all still are
just got done with game 1 if you're still interested
light urchin
Yee yee
cursive wing
<@&877973728997294120> https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.41b
glossy stratus
This has been a fast pair of letter patches
olive moon
yeah there was some crazy stuff
cursive wing
cant believe antimage keeps getting more
its fine for antimage to be kinda shit
hes like windranger and hoodwink
or silencer
theres sickos who will ALWAYS pick the hero
olive moon
they nerfed AM for no reason at the start of patch
cursive wing
if antimage is just fine to pick everygame it means he's overpowered
olive moon
if antimage is just fine to pick everygame it means he's overpowered
this hasnt been the case since 2015
cursive wing
remember when I gained like 800 mmr overnight when they gave silencer a 4th spell again? ITS YOUR TURN ANTIMAGE PICKER
olive moon
illuson mana break halved, no way to reduce blink cd to 5, blink range nerfed, early blink mana cost increase, lower passive counterspell resistance, one hundred second cooldown for level 1 mana void, lower damage on level 3 mana void?????
like I'd expect that for a best hero of the patch nerf but he was irrelevant
cursive wing
yeah and I've lost to him the last 4 times I saw him in ranked :(
olive moon
you only pick heroes that are useless against AM
cursive wing
i only pick support heroes with good spells
although i've been picking rubick lately
glossy stratus
Huh, no changes to SB, I expected he would get a few more nerfs
cursive wing
how did that guy dodge everything
glossy stratus
Shadow blade
cursive wing
he can pay 4200 gold to just buy....
something
oh
is there a lore reason why shadowblade is a he
olive moon
yeah and I've lost to him the last 4 times I saw him in ranked :(
your most recent games vs antimage
cursive wing
see that?
olive moon
yea thats a lot of green
glossy stratus
is there a lore reason why shadowblade is a `he`
No I mean SB used Shadow Blade to dodge the nerfs
cursive wing
look at the recent ones
cursive wing
No I mean SB used Shadow Blade to dodge the nerfs
holy shit
olive moon
sure I could play 1
glossy stratus
Not for like an hour for me
glossy stratus
see that?
You lost to AM on Chen, Lion, and Rubick, three heroes that AM is specifically extremely good at jumping and have very counterspellable spells
cursive wing
not sure when i picked chen
glossy stratus
(Well, Chen doesn't have particularly counterspellable spells he just also has nothing he can actually do to stop AM)
cursive wing
i'd say lion is particularly good vs am
because if i dont show i can stun him with earth spike no matter what
glossy stratus
Lion is weird, because Earthspike is solid but also as soon as you use it he can jump and kill you for free
cursive wing
glimmer cape also protects you now
glossy stratus
I'm actually curious what the overall matchup is like, I expect AM is somewhat favoured but not as heavily as against Rubick
Entirely neutral actually
(48.92% winrate, AMs overall winrate is 48.89%)
Only took 3 frickin years for them to nerf this
I still loathe this aghs from the depths of my soul
Let's just remove this hero's weakness entirely
light urchin
tidehunter nerf ๐ (I forsaw this)
big boy doesn't scale Quite as hard if he's not getting assists now
glossy stratus
Awww no longer orbital bombardment Tony
light urchin
big boy doesn't scale Quite as hard if he's not getting assists now
he'll still be good i think it just means I have to work harder for the comeback when I get trashed in lane
olive moon
Entirely neutral actually
yeah, that sounds about right, they kinda kill each other. lion draft is probably favoured in coordinated games where people use their spells better
glossy stratus
Yep, definitely a matchup that's probably better for Lion the higher the rank, team's ability to follow up on blink hex is critical
light urchin
wraps also got knocked at again, if not as severely
but it's still been damn nice to have more options in the realm of magic resist
glossy stratus
Nerfs to wraps, mage slayer, regen amp
Feels like they're trying to reign in extreme tankiness somewhat
serene arrow
Feels like they're trying to reign in extreme tankiness somewhat
Though specifically tanky heroes seem to be getting buffs more often than not
light urchin
It's a good time to be beefy
glossy stratus
Though specifically tanky heroes seem to be getting buffs more often than not
Honestly I like them moving tankiness onto heroes and making it a bit less universally accessible
serene arrow
yeah
steel forge
<@&877973728997294120> https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.41b
Did they yassify the helms??
manic nimbus
A tiny bit to overlord
manic nimbus
light urchin
I've been having so much fun playing Tidehunter this patch
me and my fish #myfish
also apparently nobody knows you can deny them
so I just keep happening across fish sitting under what used to be a tier two tower I dived like 10 minutes ago
The nerf obviously slowed my roll but as long as I can farm up to getting blink I can kinda just bomb around with the team to stack up that sweet sweet damage block
glossy stratus
They should give the fish a 2 gold bounty, it wouldn't ever matter but suddenly denying them would be prioritized far more
(Or more realistically a 2-4x Tide's level bounty)
cursive wing
i really dont like when my pub invoker constantly says "i have cataclysm go find a play"
glossy stratus
The classic Zeus problem
Except it's closer to justifiable with Zeus
Since he's not a playmaker of his own, unlike 'Voker
glossy stratus
I think they should give KotL Mana Leak back, new players have had it too good not having to play against it
(More realistically, KotL's current shard is kind of boring, Mana Leak on shard would be an option that wouldn't retain the misery of playing against it in lane)
viscid tapir
They should also make Rupture stun when the target runs out of health.
glossy stratus
It does, but you can pay gold to remove the stun
Only once every 6 8 minutes though
Apparently buyback CD is 8 minutes now, wild
...apparently that's been its cooldown for almost nine years now ;_;
viscid tapir
You also learned this like a week ago.
glossy stratus
I noticed the cooldown was more than 6 minutes in a game but did I actually learn what it is now?
(Genuine question, I think you might have told me at the time but my memory is atrocious)
viscid tapir
I think you did, or were spectating a game where someone had 6+ minutes on buyback cooldown.
glossy stratus
Well, if you want to surprise me with new info, tell me what the buyback cooldown is next week :P
viscid tapir
will do
raw meadow
WHAT
light urchin
nyx SWEEP
glossy stratus
Nyxnyxnyxnyxnyx
swift sand
Aww I missed it
raw meadow
just asked someone "hey did my audio cut out" while watching a match
a match with Silencer in it
manic nimbus
shhhhhh
glossy stratus
Pretty easy guess the hero, but it amuses me nonetheless
serene arrow
only one branch is the confusing part there smh smh
swift sand
Having the Liquid match on in the background, and did not expect the discussion about the twinkmeta
glossy stratus
Maybe a Lifestealer one too
raw meadow
I feel like its a bear meta tbh
big wallachia says you WILL pick wind ranger every single game and like it
glossy stratus
Dang, I hadn't realized quite how much she'd gotten buffed in the letter patches
I will have to pick WR every game and I will like it
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up to defend of the ancient?
glossy stratus
I'll be around in 5, just snacking a snack
viscid tapir
that's enough
light urchin
Yeah, i'm good for a game
glossy stratus
(And I think my internet is stable again)
serene arrow
professional support
raw meadow
professional support
sar are different
cursive wing
<@&877973728997294120> let's play some unranked https://discord.gg/AVGVFhkd
cursive wing
professional support
thats ench baby! use your creeps early to kill towers and then buy items to let you scale with impetus
queue has started
raw meadow
the action item here is "consider it only in a 50+ minute game where you are losing" but this is fascinating analysis
glossy stratus
~~https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.41c~~
Apparently the update link is broken
You can see the update in-game though
viscid tapir
this is up there for funnier patch bugs
some day they're gonna go full HotS and just make a separate map layer for the caverns.
glossy stratus
If it were any other game I would think that was a joke but honestly I could see it happening with Dota
Move the jungle streams underground
This is the entirety of Tinker's changelog
viscid tapir
important buffs
glossy stratus
Honestly though
viscid tapir
Mechabellum has sold me on the sound effect buff
glossy stratus
And Neb with the Aurora change, I imagine
viscid tapir
I know there was that FPS where it actually mattered, but arclights getting a cool fwoosh laser was important
yes!
bweemp bweemp bweemp
glossy stratus
Really the only thing I'm surprised about in this patch is Underlord was entirely untouched
And was effectively buffed with the root changes
(Which, don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of, it was weird how many things bypassed roots)
steel forge
New brewmaster players can no longer accidentally cancel split while mashing the hotkey
clear terrace
some day they're gonna go full HotS and just make a separate map layer for the c...
I know at least two people who'd love a cavern layer...
raw meadow
HOLY HELL
NAVI VS PLAYTIME ESL DOTA
GAME 1 WAS CINEMA
ABSOLUTE CINEMA
THIS IS WHY WE PLAY THE GAME
reef parcel
clear terrace
jesus christ, never doubt the Team Spirit comeback
swift sand
jesus christ, never doubt the Team Spirit comeback
Maybe doubt the Team Spirit comeback a little, considering how the series overall went, but yeah it was a good game.
amber sleet
do yall know any good intro to dota vids/articles/etc
vapid ledge
most recent one i see is https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLK-lYRUnNnMBQ9i1qj0TxHRDg-2QAdZ94
but i'll need the vets vet this playlist as i'm not good at assessing if what he says is good for intro
cursive wing
oops i did it again
glossy stratus
Congrats!
raw meadow
rough witch doctor username in the bg
hearty flower
yikes
raw meadow
rapier count
raw meadow
uh ohhhh
stark linden
raw meadow
their zeus or yours
stark linden
our zeus
viscid tapir
building damage
stark linden
book of the dead + invoker + terror blade
stark linden
you know how dire marsh
glossy stratus
Dota+ also got very confused about suggestions
Other highlight, Tom was not very good at clearing catapults
raw meadow
clears throat
everyone say it with me now
||CEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEB||
vapid ledge
damn
raw meadow
approximately every five minutes watching a shadow fiend I involuntarily go oo hes so tuff
raze might be one of the best examples of an ability that is only cool in a game with turn rate
EARTHSHAKER ROSH STEAL WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
when the vod comes out, please watch the Parivision vs GLYPH match of Blast Slam VII
light urchin
back on the hard support grind and picking back up Bane now that i'm a little better at playing 'hit the priority target'
the new passive is so evil, i'm a fan
swift sand
when the vod comes out, please watch the Parivision vs GLYPH match of Blast Slam...
For the curious https://www.twitch.tv/blastdota/v/2782755171?sr=a&t=4062s
glossy stratus
Ty, I was about to go look for it myself lol
lmao @ the courier "snipe" at 2:47 game time
Pros having little brainfart moments like that is always fun to see
swift sand
Ty, I was about to go look for it myself lol
I know how annoying it is to hunt down these things that I thought I might as well do it myself.
swift sand
Yo LGD Vs Yandex is golden. It's got Support Axe and all!
It's currently ongoing so can't link a VOD.
Fucking double mega creeps from both teams seemingly simultaneously.
(one team might have gotten it earlier but I missed it then.)
swift sand
The game is now threatening to make one caster miss a flight to a wedding. The stakes are rising by the minute.
light urchin
The game is now threatening to make one caster miss a flight to a wedding. The s...
i'm glad the DOTA pro scene can still be relatable to the causal experience
cursive wing
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/8834015636 i will never stop picking pos4 sniper at 2am
the analysis of if i buy mage slayer and click on their wizards every teamfight we just win was correct
glossy stratus
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/8834015636 i will never stop picking pos4 snipe...
Okay, there's part 1 of the game, where are the next 40 minutes?
clear terrace
Okay, there's part 1 of the game, where are the next 40 minutes?
Necrophos ate them
cursive wing
wghat
glossy stratus
Just joking about how every game in this patch seems to go to 90 minutes
Whether pro or not
cursive wing
mine have actually been ending
most of the time
the 55 minute bane game was becasue the lina got really upset at me for taking a kill with brain sap in order to put a stack of ichor on an enchantress
so she afk jungled in a 5v4 game for like 20 minutes
so it didn't even need to go long if the whole team was playing to win