best of both worlds
#DOTA 2
light urchin
viscid tapir
not if I am partied with you
speaking of
<@&877973728997294120> now that everyone has had time to read the patchnotes, anyone want to play some games?
reef parcel
You guys have fun without mee
light urchin
<@&877973728997294120> now that everyone has had time to read the patchnotes, an...
I'd be down for a match, sure!
small cradle
Gotta do a couple of chores real quick. Should be able to play in an hour or so.
light urchin
The frog is cracked
viscid tapir
@light urchin well if Alan is joining I can play some more
(Alan being aaaaaaaaa aka sparkling animated storytelling)
light urchin
Oh! Sure then lmao
glossy stratus
I have a sneaking suspicion they were considering bringing RRP back
raw meadow
do Not
glossy stratus
(Magnus does not have a facet called Reverse Polarity currently)
glossy stratus
do Not
I'm genuinely so disappointed they removed it, it was super interesting as an ability
vapid ledge
having trouble thinking of an occasion where RRP is useful
glossy stratus
Jump behind an enemy, RRP them into your team and their saves away
(It also just had a bigger AoE)
small cradle
I found it really useful to separate the enemy team. Was especially useful against kiteable carries who needed a bit of help when initiating.
light urchin
Vengeful Spirit continues to be my favorite out of the 'casty mage' brand of 4/5s
who doesn't want to die a martyr as you condemn the enemy windranger to a painful death (and then your ghost walks away and gets better)
glossy stratus
Venge aghs is my favorite, nothing quite like casting all my abilities, dieing, casting them again, buying back, casting them again, dieing again, casting them again, and hopefully by then their team is dead
pearl chasm
Largo feels fun but very team dependent
light urchin
He's a hard support, that makes sense
Our read on him after a game was that he's very fun but is likely gonna get some nerfs, because point and click dispells that he can hand out for like, 95 mana on 7 second cooldown? that's nuts
on top of being a generally great team amper
pearl chasm
His shard also just doubling all buff usage feels nuts
stark linden
not all buffs
just unit targeted ones
pearl chasm
Still pretty good
pearl chasm
Grabbed a Lotus after shard and it felt pretty pushed
light urchin
But yeah the rhythm game ult is so hype
pearl chasm
Very fun to use when you can weave it around your other abilities
cursive wing
WISH
cursive wing
YES YES RUBICK NERF
glossy stratus
Midas change is interesting but I'm not sure who buys it now
cursive wing
this is crazy
cursive wing
Midas change is interesting but I'm not sure who buys it now
i think overall it's a buff to the therapy midas
glossy stratus
this is crazy
I'm not convinced it's actually good, but it's certainly something I'll be picking fairly frequently
It's like +2 or 3 gold? So probably just less GPM than chipped vest
glossy stratus
i think overall it's a buff to the therapy midas
As in recovery Midas? Or is there a term I'm not familiar with?
cursive wing
when your carry is really tilted and buys a midas even though it's not good to win a game where people don't feel emotions
but it helps them untilt
cursive wing
THIS USED TO BE 3 MINUTES AT LV1
raw meadow
she... she death on my. . . .. she d... she fing..... i..
serene arrow
this is crazy
I'm not good enough at math to say how big of a damage boost this is for Chaos Knight on average, but probably like 10.
cursive wing
I'm not good enough at math to say how big of a damage boost this is for Chaos K...
I think it's so he doesn't benefit as much from loaded dice
light urchin
They tightened Chaos's base damage range probably because of this
light urchin
It's funny to me that Facets are just being stripped back from a good handful of heroes for now
viscid tapir
I hope they'll re-add them soon, and this is just an experimental period.
They kind of combined the Riki and Brewmaster ones to the base hero.
light urchin
Yeah, I hope that doesn't stay like that forever, I think they just want to see how shit rides on some heros without em for a bit
Facets are rad! But there's definitely a lot that are like, weird or not-good choices
olive moon
I'm not good enough at math to say how big of a damage boost this is for Chaos K...
its 3.3 damage on ck and about 6 gold per creepwave. too lazy to do neutral camp maths but on a carry like luna or gyro that hits lots of creeps early it's probably like 20-30gpm
olive moon
its 3.3 damage on ck and about 6 gold per creepwave. too lazy to do neutral camp...
curiosity beat laziness, if you're farming 2 waves incl. flagbearer and the hard+easy camps and ancients+water camps at 10 mins it gives 19ish extra gpm
glossy stratus
I don't think even Luna can farm all four camps plus waves at 10 mins
Both waves plus hard and easy maybe?
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up for some games?
glossy stratus
Work work
small cradle
Making brownies for the family.
vapid ledge
what, arcane accumulation helping with its AOE?
oh shit, i forgot the sceptor songs do damage
light urchin
I'd be down for your next
pearl chasm
If y'all go again soon I'd be down for next game
steel forge
our rubick has stolen the song stance
Oh you get the whole stance, not just a single song?
cursive wing
just tested it in demo mode
spell steal frog when he is in the stance and you just steal it
also if you have scepter then you have access to your other stolen spell while jamming
steel forge
Hot damn
pearl chasm
Jesus christ that’s good lol
manic nimbus
daaaamn'
light urchin
I like lich's buttons but in a teamfight it always feels like i'm The Guy Who Dies
everybody and their mother wants me sent back to the fountain
glossy stratus
Could be worse, at least you're not Oracle
But yeah Lich if uninterrupted is a huge problem and they know it
manic nimbus
yeah sometimes all you can do against some heroes is to make it so if they kill you they have overextended and died too
gotta do that fragile support positioning esp against some comps or if divey heroes get fat
cursive wing
I like lich's buttons but in a teamfight it always feels like i'm The Guy Who Di...
this is probably actually a good thing because of chain frost on death
glossy stratus
Apparently there was a bug where Rubick could lose all his normal spells (fade bolt, telekinesis, passive) after stealing Largo's ult
Presumably because they were replaced by songs then the songs got removed when the steal expires
vapid ledge
lmao
raw meadow
ope
glossy stratus
He rocked out too hard
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up for some games?
light urchin
Oh, sure
glossy stratus
I might be able to catch game 2
glossy stratus
Every time I think of Largo the Frog it feels like he should be a Sonic character
true plank
Apparently there was a bug where Rubick could lose all his normal spells (fade b...
can't believe Largo stole all of Rubick's spells...
the grander magus
jaunty spruce
<@&877973728997294120> anyone down for a tier 4 battlecup today? Got a group of 4 ready
jaunty spruce
All good. We're all non toxic and just joining to get eliminated round 1 by smurfs if you change your mind
olive moon
unfortunately i can only tier 8 battlecup
im down to hang out and watch if you're all cool with that, im a big captains mode enjoyer
reef parcel
oh how do you know what tier you'rei n
light urchin
I am not built for competitive level play, but good luck
jaunty spruce
You're than welcome to watch!
jaunty spruce
oh how do you know what tier you'rei n
Depends on your rank
olive moon
oh how do you know what tier you'rei n
if you open the battlecup tab it shows your team tier
jaunty spruce
Tier 4 is like archon cutoff i think
I am not archon tho. Just have a higher ranked friend
olive moon
yea tier 8 is supposed to be the immortal one but it's really dumb because some 6k average stack gets queued vs top 100 players
olive moon
top one in the play dota menu
jaunty spruce
Sweeet youre about my rank
jaunty spruce
Wanna join us?
reef parcel
sadly no i'm super sick v_v
swift sand
Catching up with dreamleague, and Laning has changed since I last played Dota lol.
manic nimbus
yes lol
though some amount of this weird shit has happened for a long long time
there is more of it these days
see if you can find the primal beast level 1 mid cut strategy sometime
swift sand
though some amount of this weird shit has happened for a long long time
Yeah, Dota ain't a stranger to weird strats haha. It's however still fun to see someone casually laning between the T3 and T2 towers.
manic nimbus
yeah
light urchin
I always forget how fun Rubick is until I play Rubick again
gritty sparrow
I always forget how fun Rubick is until I play Rubick again
light urchin
Maybe for game 2
cursive wing
viscid tapir
Maybe for game 2
game 2 soon if you're up for it
light urchin
Sure boss
real parcel
Tide getting 'anchor smash from proccing his passive' feels VERY funny in practice, far more than I thought it would from description.
serene arrow
a good reason to make sure you get some sort of break on the team in a timely manner, at least if you have any melee cores at all
but yeah very funny with significant lifesteal
viscid tapir
the blademail infinite loop clips have also been really funny
serene arrow
the blademail infinite loop clips have also been really funny
Now I'm wondering about Troll Warlord
not that Troll frequently gets blade mail, but, if you're facing off against a tide and you're desperate... 
glossy stratus
I think the Nyx interaction is my favorite one, since he doesn't even have to break invisibility to kill Tide
Tide can just walk up to smash a wave and spontaneously combust
light urchin
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1pthqbl/tidehunter_cant_only_kill_both_h...
fascinating
cursive wing
<@&877973728997294120> https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.40b
glossy stratus
Dang, fast patch
reef parcel
instant brood nerfs
glossy stratus
Lmao yep no surprise here
reef parcel
glossy stratus
Yeah pretty much all illusions take a bunch of bonus damage
PL I think it's 350% damage?
reef parcel
just gonna have to make even more int
glossy stratus
(Technically PL gets one illusion that takes no bonus damage but that one also deals no damage)
Nvm I was wrong, PLs illusions take 600% damage
stark linden
It's so joever
cursive wing
there might be a really bad crash bug
cursive wing
are games just crashing
vapid ledge
tuesday, maybe?
cursive wing
i queued a game with my friend and it crashed
server side
and then our second game crashed
this isnt just a valve tuesday thing
pearl chasm
Really wish Largo had also gotten an option for toggling his ult while silenced
viscid tapir
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/570/view/517481543704249946
some bugfixes as well
Fixed Largo's Catchy Lick dispelling High Five
I love DotA 2
glossy stratus
Really wish Largo had also gotten an option for toggling his ult while silenced
I don't think they changed anything that costs mana, Timbersaw still gets messed up by silences as well, no?
And Lesh can't toggle ult
swift sand
I don't think they changed anything that costs mana, Timbersaw still gets messed...
That and I wouldn't be surprised if the flavour of a musician being countered by silence means not being able to toggle his ult whilst silenced sticks around for a while.
swift sand
Okay genuinely I'm confused by this one. Is it because manabreak doesn't work with illusions anymore?
viscid tapir
A lot of stuff lost bonus damage vs illusions.
Overwhelming Odds is a really old change, but the mjolnir and radiance ones are recent.
glossy stratus
They've been slowly reducing the amount of things that do bonus damage or instantly kill illusions in general
Which is IMO a positive, it's good to have fewer special cases
cursive wing
purge can no longer kill golem
there was a funny screenshot of purge reading the patchnotes and getting to that
gritty sparrow
They were good to have when a lot of those were implemented
Cause even with bonus damage to illusions there were a lot of illusion heroes just beating ass
cursive wing
now not even mana drain kills illusions
reef parcel
Does chicken make illusory chickens
swift sand
A lot of stuff lost bonus damage vs illusions.
Overwhelming Odds is a really old...
Ah makes sense, makes sense. Only starting to get into Dota after being gone for a bit so was surprised.
light urchin
Does chicken make illusory chickens
The shard does yeah
cursive wing
Does chicken make illusory chickens
idk. now that shaman has to buy it usually they dont have it. i LOVE to just buy eul's and then instantly send shaman into the air after the chicken passive pops. ever die to the 50 euls landing damage 3 times in a single game? my enemies have
light urchin
Lmao I got got with that hard the other day
glossy stratus
The solution is of course to buy a Heart on Shaman so you regen more than 50 hp in the Eul's
glossy stratus
Does chicken make illusory chickens
Not yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does eventually
light urchin
'hmm today I will play dota'
78 minute round
'hmm that is enough dota for today'
viscid tapir
had a very close 60 minute game yesterday that everyone agreed didn't feel like 60 minutes
and that was a really fun game to be Doom with Impending Doom in
light urchin
my forever game was a shadow shaman game against an incredibly annoying team
drow, slardar, windranger, sniper, techies
glossy stratus
Ours was also against sniper! Funny how that hero makes for 70 minute games when you're trying to push uphill :P
cursive wing
there are few things more satisfying than shackling a rubick who was casting your stolen shackles
light urchin
the circle of life...
reef parcel
reef parcel
light urchin
oh dear
manic nimbus
skill issue
reef parcel
cursive wing
was he actually playing dota2
raw meadow
yes
glossy stratus
Hmmm, ||Sniper||?
light urchin
my guess is ||hoodwink||
glossy stratus
I could see that, personally I'm not a fan of Phylactery on her because it's a bit awkward with ||Bushwhack when you want to be unit-targeting Acorn Shot||
viscid tapir
My guess is ||Zeus||.
glossy stratus
Ooh, yeah, that's a fair shout as well
||Maximum lightning build||
Weird to have no bottle or Kaya though
real parcel
Hmmm, ||Sniper||?
This was very much my guess, as the 'thing where all these make sense'. Missing a cheeky shadowblade.
cursive wing
this was in fact sniper
the build was...
wraith band, wand, treads, dragon lance, phylactery, hurricaine pike, octarine core, travels, travels2, mjjolnir
the team had no actual way to stop teleports and enemykept teleporting out
so i became the teleport stopper
and then we were getting so ratted so i became the anti rat
also we were down a rax
glossy stratus
Surprised you never upgraded to Khanda
glossy stratus
New "Guess the hero"!
glossy stratus
Hint: ||It was being played by Ammar in a pro game||
glossy stratus
actually, how *does* locket interact with ogre
I don't think it works? IIRC it doesn't work with Largo shard at least
glossy stratus
There was a Greaves ||Storm|| in a different game, but not this one
(The answer is ||Underlord ||)
manic nimbus
(||tbh the locket is the only really unusual item there||)
steel forge
(The answer is ||Underlord ||)
yeah yknow honestly that doesn't even look that bad in that case
cursive wing
(||tbh the locket is the only really unusual item there||)
the item might be overpowered right now, i think we'll end up seeing it bought a lot more soon
glossy stratus
yeah yknow honestly that doesn't even look that bad in that case
Yeah - double boots are unusual, but sometimes you just need a Greaves on your team and you're the one who can afford them
And Treads are just phenomenal value, especially with Soul Ring on a hero with relatively low-frequency spellcasting
cursive wing
it feels so good to fiend's grip the enemy carry into they type gg in all chat true combo
especially if they are a slark and the true combo was actually enfeeble linkens break, nightmare to check for dark pact, and then fiend's grip after pact or after nightmare sticks longer than it would take for pact to remove it
manic nimbus
lmaoooo
cursive wing
<@&877973728997294120> https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.40c
stark linden
dark seer cannot die, got it
glossy stratus
Core abba stocks in shambles
cursive wing
dark seer cannot die, got it
was taking the screenshot
cursive wing
what does this mena
fathom bolt
You were too sexy with it, they needed to make you less powerful
viscid tapir
They're being cowards and not putting Spirit Bear where it should be alphabeticallly
steel forge
Actually sobbing why would they do this 😭
glossy stratus
How you can tell Icefrog thinks a hero is underplayed but shouldn't be buffed:
Surprised no WR nerfs
manic nimbus
I mean I think icefrog has realised too many people are levelling stats over trees
fathom bolt
8% more base damage at max level doesn't seem like a lot
glossy stratus
Glad Largo can toggle his ult while silenced now
It's very odd to me that they changed this while leaving Timber's Return Chakram silenceable
manic nimbus
largo has a better lobby
pearl chasm
Benefit of being a musician, better PR than an eco-terrorist
cursive wing
It's very odd to me that they changed this while leaving Timber's Return Chakram...
returning the chakram lets you use it to nuke someone
cursive wing
seeking expert analysis on what I should do to win more ranked games
raw meadow
@manic nimbus https://youtu.be/kZeXPP1KgNo asmr
steel forge
dunk used to go through mana shield?
clear terrace
"used to"? doesn't it still?
steel forge
I thought it didn't but I also haven't played in a number of months
clear terrace
p sure I've seen @serene arrow dunk one-shot a Medusa in 7.39 and I don't remember anything in the patch notes that'd make her immune
serene arrow
as far as I know there's no reason it shouldn't still
the main reason it doesn't happen is because the Medusa usually gets any kind of health item before Axe reaches 6
unless they're dumb, or, uh, looks at clip, overconfident for some reason and it bites them in the ass
well, okay, a health item other than wand
well okay looking at the list there's a bunch of items that give health that wouldn't be enough on their own, but wraith band + wand + anything else is basically enough. here Dyrachyo did have the wand and wraith band and just needed a tiny bit more.
raw meadow
the main reason it doesn't happen is because the Medusa usually gets any kind of...
the classic mistake of thinking that it never happens in high level play, so you shouldn't play around it
instead of playing around it because it's high level play
mobas are so funny cause the guy just walks up to him and then ends his fucking life instantaneously with violent crime
steel forge
I guess I made up a change to mana shield that meant nothing pierced it anymore 🤷
and admittedly I never see it in my lobbies because I'm pretty sure the tortellini guide makes you buy a fluffy hat
cursive wing
dunk used to go through mana shield?
Without scrolling down, the way dunk works is this:
- apply phylactery/kanda damage
- if their current amount of hitpoints is below the kill threshhold kill them. then if you got a kill give the team buffs
3?) if their current amount of hitpoints is above the kill threshhold do pure damage equal to the kill threshhold to the hero...
so if medusa has very low max hp axe will just kill her through mana shield
i remember once I was with @olive moon who was medusa vs axe+undying and even after he bought some hp items the undying drained his health and put him in dunk range
nobody is immune to the axe
steel forge
Oh i see I thought dunk was just pure damage, interesting
cursive wing
if it was just pure damage it couldn't dunk dazzle graves
steel forge
i did forget it could do that
olive moon
i remember once I was with <@113047534099816448> who was medusa vs axe+undying a...
yea this one haunts my nightmares
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up to defend of the ancient?
light urchin
Ohh, i'm around
glossy stratus
I could Dote in like 5 mins
light urchin
oh, uh, i'm in low prio so if people don't wanna do that I can drop
lmao
viscid tapir
extra note: we might be carrying derpghost out of low prio if everyone's okay with that
cursive wing
hey
glossy stratus
Oooh an excuse to play Single Draft!
cursive wing
yes
light urchin
I just remembered I had to abandon a match earlier because I mixed up my schedule
so, whoopsie
light urchin
o7
cursive wing
<@&877973728997294120> we will queue again in 20 minutes
cursive wing
cursive wing
the slow climb back
light urchin
I appear to have randomly come across an issue where whenever rubick exists on screen my game just uh, freezes
with a bit of searching this apparently has plagued people who are using low-end computers for years with no clear fix
who are you, person from 2019 with the same issue and never got a response
where are you now
light urchin
I assume it's something due to how Rubick is a schrodinger's concentration of every particle effect in the game yeah
Maybe i just gotta load the guy in demo before any match ever
light urchin
hello fount of all niche knowledge, you seem to have the right name for it
light urchin
DOTA is one of those games that's kinda an endless rabbit hole of Things To Know
wintry obsidian
Excellent
light urchin
Ridiculously deep
wintry obsidian
Where's the cupcakes
wintry obsidian
DOTA is one of those games that's kinda an endless rabbit hole of Things To Know
Where would one start
light urchin
There's some tutorials to be uncovered in the menus
They're pretty solid, though a couple are... out of date and/or bugged
viscid tapir
I highly recommend also loading into a bot game to set up your controls
by default I think the "Neutral Item" hotkey is unbound
light urchin
Yeah the control scheme is a little tricky to wrap around
Plus your courier, get familar with that guy
Unlike other games in the space you don't have to run back to base to buy your items, you can have them ferried out to you by a little guy you control
raw meadow
unless
light urchin
There's pretty easy buttons for it in the corner
unless you buy items with a red outline, which require you or your courier to go to one of two secret shops on the map, next to each side's offlane
wintry obsidian
Wh
light urchin
You can micro-control your courier but the QOL auto-buttons for them have gotten pretty good, you don't have to worry about fine tuning it
wintry obsidian
Offlane?
light urchin
Just remember to be buying items, queuing up secret shop purchases, then you hit the button and they'll get them to you once you have the cash
Ah! Right, so, Dota has three lanes
From the Radiant (green) side, there is Toplane, Midlane, and Botlane
Top is the offlane, and Bot is the safelane for Radiant
Vice versa for Dire (red team)
Due to how the towers are set up, basically it's harder to safely farm the creep wave on one side over the other
And in these lanes, DOTA has 5 positions, or roles, to play heroes within
Pos 1 through Pos 5, or Carry, Midlaner, Offlane, Soft Support, Hard Support
The higher your number means the more priority you have over getting to farm and get gold
In the majority of games, you have the Carry and Hard Support go to the safelane, where the carry will try to get as much income as possible and their support keeps them bodyguarded and alive, while the Offlaner and Soft Support go to the offlane, where they will try to stop the other opposing carry from getting too comfortable and ahead in gold (and the soft support sometimes leaves and fucks things up elsewhere if the offlaner can handle things)
While the two midlaners face off in the middle and roam a bit when they can
For your first couple games: find a hero that you think looks cool (mind the complexity icon), go to the 'guides' bar, and look at the top two, three ones to see what role they get used in, and pick one of those - try to play a low-complexity support or an offlaner, they're usually pretty straightforward
Those guides will give you rundowns on your abilities and tell you what items to buy when, they're a lifesaver for learning
Does any of this make sense lmao
wintry obsidian
Somewhat
light urchin
Right, okay, continuing
The tutorials will discuss this but the main thrust of what you're Doing in lane is hitting 'creeps' (minions that walk down each lane in groups) to get gold and XP (you have to land the final hit to get the gold from a creep dying, this is important and also hard to get used to)
You can then push back against the opposing lanes creeps as you kill them, pushing your own wave forward until you hit the enemy tower
You need creeps to take hits from the enemy tower, which automatically attacks you when you're close to it in a radius
Using that, you can destroy it
Each lane has three towers, the last ones blocking entry into the enemy base, and then two guarding the enemy ancient (Defense Of The Ancients!)
Destroy those, you can attack the ancient, you win the game
To get there, you need to be working with your teammates to get kills and funnel gold and experience to your carries so they can get ahead to win fights against the enemy team to let you push these objectives unobstructed
That's kinda the basics??
I could go on for ages about stuff like wards and jungle camps and smaller objectives and timer stuff but it's A Lot and it's not even getting into how to play individual roles and heroes
light urchin
There's a good number of heroes whose whole thing is quite simply 'I Hit You And You Are Dead', mostly in the realm of Pos 1s
Juggernaut and Sven are the classics in that case, Sven especially being the Big Fucking Damage guy
If you want something more cerebral there's heroes like Outworld Destroyer in the midlane, whose iconic features include being able to put anything into gay baby jail and, despite being a big mage type, right clicking everything to death after like level 9
Lion is a very straightforward support type (a stun, a disable, and a mana drain trick) whose ultimate is a 'fuck you' blast that gets stronger every time it kills somebody
One of my personal favorite heroes is Undying, a support whose thing is getting really, really beefy by stealing other people's stats, putting down a summon thing that spawns little zombies that slow everybody down, and generally Not Dying, as per the name
I would be remiss to not mention John Dota though
Dragon Knight plays usually in the offlane and is the most straightforward guy there is
But yeah if you just want to swing once and smack a fool for a billion damage I'd look at Sven
ah that's an important thing to mention about DOTA - its design philosophy
this is a game where shit is busted
Anybody, ever, can buy an item that makes you entirely immune to the vast majority of crowd control and magic damage for at least 6 seconds
And many people do
wintry obsidian
Oh, I see
light urchin
But! Because everything is busted, it all works out
wintry obsidian
So if you don't, people still.mighg avoid hitting you, so you can spend on other stuff
light urchin
Sometimes it's mandatory, especially if your job is to run in and kill things
Because anybody can also buy an item that just completely turns you off for a few seconds - or they just have more than one stun or disable on their team collectively (combined with shutdown items)
light urchin
So if you don't, people still.mighg avoid hitting you, so you can spend on other...
Nah you can check other people's item setups
wintry obsidian
Ah, nvm
light urchin
They'll probably try to pop all their shit on you regardless, so it's up to you to either:
Let another teammate eat that for you (or be the noble sacrifice they use their stuff on, that's a lot of pos 3 gaming in the lategame)
Stun or disable them First
Or pop your dispels/black kings bar with the right timing
This is a game of bullshit being beaten by bullshit
It is the rocket powered tag of game design, it's beautiful
Another item that anybody has access to is Blink Dagger, which you can activate on a 15 second cooldown to teleport most of a screen's worth of distance instantly
(with a 3 second delay if you take damage)
Which is what a lot of big initiator heroes use to get in there and pop their big stuns or damage things
wintry obsidian
I see
manic nimbus
I mean it can help but tbh guides are probably more useful for a start
and maybe youtube stuff
wintry obsidian
I was thinking wiki to charpick
manic nimbus
oh yeah it can be good for that
wintry obsidian
How many heroes are there?
manic nimbus
~120 I think
wintry obsidian
I see
manic nimbus
fair variety yes
glossy stratus
Would you recommend wiki-ing?
Make sure to use the Liquipedia wiki btw, the Fandom one is thankfully abandoned
light urchin
Sniper is pretty straightforward, yeah! Very popular
Items are a lot but follow the guides and you'll go far
light urchin
Sniper item theory is pretty simple anyhow
wintry obsidian
Moar damage and range?
light urchin
Damage, attack speed, damage, range, and a 'get out of jail' card or two
wintry obsidian
I forgot that last one
viscid tapir
While you're still learning it's important not to ignore those voices in your head (your teammates) telling you to get out of jail free.
glossy stratus
While you're new that get out of jail free card can be a Shadow Blade
light urchin
For sniper, that's usually a hurricane pike, whick dovetails nicely with dragon lance, which you already wanna build
maybe a glimmer cape
glossy stratus
Once you get to ranks where people are better about getting detection it tends to be one or more of Aghanims Shard, Hurricane Pike, BKB, Blink
viscid tapir
Eventually you will recognize a situation where you can afford to skip it, do so, then lose because your teammates were right actually.
But eventually, some day, it'll be okay to skip it as a tempo move to keep winning more and end the game before your team is right.
glossy stratus
(Shadow Blade/Silver Edge is still a solid pickup, but you won't be able to rely on it to escape)
viscid tapir
The moral of the story is buy BKB
light urchin
I really should buy BKB more than I do
glossy stratus
I should, but also, Boring King Bar
Apparently I've still bought Ring of Aquila more than I have BKB
Which was removed as a purchaseable item in 2018
light urchin
But why buy bar when I, the Undying, can simply get eternal shroud instead
glossy stratus
I could buy BKB but alternatively I could get a Blink Dagger and simply blink dodge all their CC
(Narrator: They did not blink dodge all the CC)
viscid tapir
It feels even worse when they removed the 100% magic resist so it no longer protects Blink Dagger from long range magic poke.
But also, getting LSA, Frostbite, Nightmare, Frostbite again, then being dead feels worse.
glossy stratus
Which is why I have Manta Style!
But yeah there's not really any straightforward answer to items being confusing other than just "you'll learn about them as you play"
light urchin
yeah it's a lot
light urchin
Nah yeah
Undying's TTK is so long they don't actually care too much about the enemy dropping everything on them?
So instead you just build to slap down tombstone and then exist as a meatwall for as long as possible
manic nimbus
yeah I mean it depends a bit on role but like
if you are a core you want to be on people and hard to kite, and like buy auras for the team, and maybe get what you need to survive if applicable
if you are a support you want support items, glimmer is more affordable for a similar role and also a save
but if they are locking you down its not the end of the world usually
glossy stratus
There are games where he needs it but yeah, generally one of the less BKB-dependent heroes
Especially with his innate
cursive wing
<@&877973728997294120> https://discord.gg/aar4Y8eJ queueing soon
starting queue <t:1770583800:R>
late joiners welcome if you arrive before it pops
started
glossy stratus
<@&877973728997294120> https://discord.gg/aar4Y8eJ queueing soon
I appreciate the ping, unfortunately had preexisting boat commitments today
reef parcel
Who is that?
raw meadow
Who is that?
I assumed it was a reference to dota turbo mode which ofc does not exist in deadlock
reef parcel
Hmm. Not sure.. Maybe?
glossy stratus
@viscid tapir just discovered some new Drow tech, with Sidestep if you target Multishot nearby and move during the attack animation you can mess with their spread - either stacking them up tighter or spreading them wider
(Also notable for letting you effectively change the aim direction of your multishot)
final mountain
I'm sorry, you're doppler shifting your multishot?
glossy stratus
I'm sorry, you're doppler shifting your multishot?
Interestingly, no, I don't think it's related to Drow's velocity - it seems to be specifically if the relative aimpoint changes between when she starts the attack and when the arrows are released
I hadn't actually realized that Multishot uses an aim point rather than an aim direction before this
Presumably the same thing could happen without Sidestep if someone else displaces you
manic nimbus
Can you Largo it into a beam?
glossy stratus
Can you Largo it into a beam?
I'm not sure what you mean?
manic nimbus
Like with a perfectly timed lick how tight can you focus it
glossy stratus
Ah - I think lick might interrupt it? But also speed isn't really the limiting factor on tightness, it's mostly just timing
The movespeed during Sidestep was more than enough to get them fully-stacked, I had to stop moving or it would unstack them in the other direction
manic nimbus
right hmm
cursive wing
Just played a game where we killed the enemy carry twice before the second wave crashed
cursive wing
we won that game in 44 minutes
it would have been sooner but we made some mistakes
wait not it was my 53 minute game :(
reef parcel
cursive wing
rapier puck with aghs is a really really nice time
manic nimbus
they didn't have the sand
glossy stratus
New pro game Guess the Hero
woeful nimbus
Enchantress
viscid tapir
Are you trying to convince us to let play this on Hoodwink
glossy stratus
Nah, I don't like to micro
Also, hiss, Tranquils on Hoodwink
I'm a mana boots addict
manic nimbus
The dagon makes it hard
||Has to be a magic damage dealer that would buy a midas and helmdom||
||actually ogre magi?||
viscid tapir
I would love it if you could multicast helm
manic nimbus
||you can bloodlust it and leave it to push||
glossy stratus
||actually ogre magi?||
Nope, that does make me wonder if you can multicast Headband
manic nimbus
Damn that's my guess and I think so
glossy stratus
Even more incomprehensible one from the same game (it was presumably a misclick since they immediately re-sold it)
manic nimbus
That one could be 20 heroes mistake aside
glossy stratus
Yeah
...now I want a hero with a facet that has half of their inventory slots not share cooldowns with the other half
Double BKB double refresher for 48 seconds of debuff immunity
manic nimbus
2 hex 2 bkb 2 refresher
glossy stratus
Later in the same game:
Even later in the same game, I'm pretty sure it makes guessing the hero impossible
manic nimbus
||bounty hunter idk ||
glossy stratus
The answer was ||AA doing his absolute best to survive the summons and ratting from Lycan + Beastmaster||
Absolutely wild game
||30 minute hold vs megas, like 6 rapiers, a whole gem farm in Dire's fountain||
(OG vs Liquid game ||3||)
manic nimbus
Yeah ok lmao impossible
glossy stratus
I do think there are enough hints that the genre of hero was guessable, even if the specific one wasn't - ||You can tell it's a support from the item timings (which you can see from the neutral timer) as well as the wards, and you can realize it's someone with no wave clear trying to deal with zoo from the three items that kill creeps||
But it could be any of like ||Disruptor/Oracle/Silencer||/etc.
||Silencer|| in particular would've been like identical as another hero that ||can sit in base defending against the 🐀 for 50 minutes while throwing ultis out for fights||
manic nimbus
||The lotus pulled me away from that and I didnt quite focus on the rat thing||
|| I was thinking bulkier support||
raw meadow
so as a complete outsider to dota im curious about some stuff that's changed since the last major tournament i watched (pretty much TI and then a tiny bit of the last blast slam)
specifically: did they shoot naga siren
glossy stratus
Somewhat, they made it so Diffusal's mana burn just doesn't work at all on illusions
I think she's still seen a little bit of play but not to great effect
Mostly they added a frog
raw meadow
it's been a pretty dramatic difference going from 'wow this hero is constantly banned first phase' to 'not pick/banned'
cursive wing
manic nimbus
they are now friends forever
glossy stratus
Speedrunning the AD game, 20:50 new PB
(Not really a legit 20:50 though, one of them abandoned)
steel forge
That’s one obnoxious support draft
glossy stratus
I didn't envy the opponent team, who had to play around there being a Shadow Shaman waiting to Shackle in the trees behind them at any time from minute 2 onwards
glossy stratus
It's generally underrated IME
Though it was also like, 13th pick overall in a really strong pool
manic nimbus
I mean it must have been
for 13th teleport
I wouldn't say its first pick but its a definite like 3-8 pick in most pools
light urchin
Speedrunning the AD game, 20:50 new PB
oh god
raw meadow
@manic nimbus i love dota
||SPIRIT FUCKING LOST LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AAAAAHHH GOTTEM GGS HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH OWNED BOZO||
manic nimbus
lool
bold niche
playing alot of deadlock and enjoying, redownloaded dota 2 and really have no clue what to do lol
this is like my 7th time trying to like dota 2*
I know it will click for me one of these times
I like jakiro, puck and ogre magi
reef parcel
playing alot of deadlock and enjoying, redownloaded dota 2 and really have no cl...
Good luck! Play with friends
It's very hard to get into alone
And bluntly, I don't think it's worth it
Like the true majesty is in teamplay
light urchin
yeah don't be afraid to ping in here to get a stack
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone around to defend of the ancient?
glossy stratus
I could defend 1 (one) ancient
buoyant summit
I could play a 5v5 multiplayer online battle arena featuring an "ancient"
cursive wing
can't believe i'm missing out in the first dota2 ping in what feels like over a year
viscid tapir
I did rename it! The bot just changed it back ;_;
glossy stratus
I _did_ rename it! The bot just changed it back ;_;
Botrayal
manic nimbus
bad bot
viscid tapir
I was so confused when someone came in looking for Lancer advice
I knew I had set the channel to playing DotA 2
narrow smelt
Found myself starting to flirt with dota 2, been looking up who I might be intested in learning
raw meadow
in which these professional teams get up to pee and then forget to pick, apparently
narrow smelt
Was a little curious about trying Marci, I find her neat
viscid tapir
Liquid is drafting my hero pool I see...
glossy stratus
Was a little curious about trying Marci, I find her neat
She's fun! Surprisingly tricky to play though, as a fair warning
narrow smelt
She's fun! Surprisingly tricky to play though, as a fair warning
Complicated kit? I'd hope she wouldn't be too hard to learn
manic nimbus
Its simple in terms of what it does but more complicated than it seems to use well
As a core you are really kiteable outside bkb so really need to use each one really well
As a support she is strong but kinda like tusk in that leaning requires measured aggression and saving people can be fiddly
narrow smelt
Being support does interest me, though I worry about having to deal with toxic teammates getting at me for not playing properly
viscid tapir
I recommend finding a stack to play with - there's a role here with folks who are open to helping beginners (though I myself am indisposed at the moment.)
glossy stratus
Complicated kit? I'd hope she wouldn't be too hard to learn
Mostly that she has two repositioning abilities (with the facet that lets you bring allies with you), and repositioning abilities are fundamentally tricky to use well since "where to move them" depends on everything else in the fight. Her movement being dependent on having an ally nearby also makes it a bit trickier to use than a more traditional mobility spell
narrow smelt
Mostly that she has two repositioning abilities (with the facet that lets you br...
That's understandable. I've mostly been going over the roster based on vibes
I'm nervous asking to join up on stacks, but I'd be open to
light urchin
Marci's interesting, haven't really clocked the play-groove for her yet
But if I wanted to play a support that can just turn around and be a melee carry I prefer Undying anyhow
glossy stratus
They kind of fill different niches IMO - Marci's an initiator/repositioner with a side of enemy-support-killer, Undying is frontliner/teamfighter
glossy stratus
That's understandable. I've mostly been going over the roster based on vibes
Her vibes are great, I'm not sure if you've seen her in-game yet but since she's mute all her voice lines are whistles
light urchin
They kind of fill different niches IMO - Marci's an initiator/repositioner with ...
Oh sure, it's more a matter of personal preference - I have a soft spot for being the big bastard that is an issue for everybody and never dies
I will say though, it is absolutely hilarious how badly Marci messes up carries like Phantom Lancer
raw meadow
this kez character holy shit
just tabbed into ESL stream and saw someone get turned into an urban legend in real time
glossy stratus
He is very ridiculous when having a good game, does basically everything
Yes, I would like a hero that has mobility, farming amps, bash, silence, ranged stun, invisibility, debuff immunity, lane bullying, some of the highest damage in the game, all with very low mana costs
On the other hand he kind of just flails and dies if he doesn't have the farm
light urchin
He has invis??
viscid tapir
Sai ult
turns invis, dispels, marks enemies
it's not super long duration, you're usually using it to leave or weave in and out of a fight
glossy stratus
It also gives enemies a big sight range debuff, for some reason
glossy stratus
Ah, like how Riki's Smoke Screen applies a vision debuff
viscid tapir
it should, you're right
he lost his facets actually right?
facet between smokescreen vision debuff and sleep dart
glossy stratus
Yeah
glossy stratus
it's not super long duration, you're usually using it to leave or weave in and o...
Also using it for the ranged stun, from what I've seen in pro play
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up for a game?
glossy stratus
I could dot in like 10 mins
olive moon
i can play next
viscid tapir
oh no
glossy stratus
Just Lightning Bolt them in the face seven times
viscid tapir
i can play next
technically it's next
(someone got the disconnect abandon for an ability draft game)
glossy stratus
@viscid tapir I would probably be up for one more AD if we can acquire an @olive moon , probably not normal Dota unless we have a full stack
(Also brb)
viscid tapir
I think I'll be done with Dota for tonight
cursive wing
i can now
true plank
oblivion sweep
light urchin
Been trying out Elder Titan - interesting! very funny to suddenly just run at people and hit them for Fat Smacks inbetween the big CC combo
glossy stratus
Elder Titan is very funny with high-magic-damage friends or against classic agi carries
ET Stomp into Hoodwink combo just removes a hero
And the briefcase is a briefcase
light urchin
Yee
Trying to maximize the astral spirit buff feels a little wonky but I'll get the hang of it
manic nimbus
yeah ET is fiddly but super powerful
when he can do his thing
kidna similar to a melee AA in that you get to make people dead with your teams help
regardless of what they get
cursive wing
stack some camps and then you staple them
glossy stratus
A tragic sight
||Requiem only works on the Shadow Fiend base model, since everyone else has 0 souls to release||
light urchin
oh rip
light urchin
greatly enjoying Nyx for the thrill of popping a lone skywrath mage like a grape in one combo
seems like they struggle a lot if you're not on tempo though
light urchin
nyx continues to be quite good for helping me drag my ass out of herald, because i keep getting fragile intelligence supports that don't know how to ward against me properly on the enemy team
glossy stratus
Nyx is a lot of fun, the free pathing facet lets you be super rude with approaching from unexpected paths
light urchin
Yeah considering how nyx operates the other facet is a bit of a wash
Since you have too much mana struggle Yourself to make use of spamming flare in the lane, and in midgame if you haven't immediately killed the guy you jumped with Vendetta fast enough that the drain doesn't matter you're probably currently dead
It would only really make an impact lategame where you start Burrowing it up
While Scuttle makes your incredibly vital level 6 powerspike even moreso
glossy stratus
Mana Flare is really good against a few specific heroes, and ruins Medusa, but yeah
light urchin
Ahh, Medusa makes sense yes
serene arrow
Medusa can sorta scale out of that vulnerability a bit, admittedly, at least compared to most other especially vulnerable heroes
e.g. Outworld Desolator
(I can't even remember his actual name, he's just Obsidian Destroyer to me)
Like, it hits hardest against heroes who have a disproportionate amount of max mana compared to their health, whereas for Medusa, her mana is health
Still sucks, but compared to matching up against Anti-Mage...
glossy stratus
Medusa can sorta scale out of that vulnerability a bit, admittedly, at least com...
Medusa is interesting, because she can temporarily outscale it but it really really comes back to bite you in the lategame, it makes your maximum scaling way worse
I would honestly consider it a worse matchup than AM for 'Dusa
light urchin
Fascinating!
olive moon
no way medusa hates nyx more than AM, you're right about the mana burn being really nasty to play into though
final mountain
Dusa hates nyx way more
25% max mana burn on a miniscule cd
It's unplayable
AM at least needs to go in but nyx can burrow and carapace you from the very edge of nyxs range
No damage needed just go survivability and force staff and shit
olive moon
I'm pretty confident on this one
Dusa can farm under vision and push waves with manta
and Nyx can't really touch her in fights unless someone noobs really hard
just to show im not just saying shit, they're some of my most played heros
Medusa has twice the disadvantage to AM in regular pubs and in 7k+, AM in each core role is 3 of her top 5 worst matchups
manic nimbus
Its not a competition you can counterpick her with both 🙂
viscid tapir
That's why I always pick AM after my team picks Medusa, so that she can't get counterpicked.
-# This is a blatant lie.
olive moon
Its not a competition you can counterpick her with both 🙂
just dont lane AM and nyx together or you lose tower at 8 mins lol
raw meadow
what fucking year is it
olive moon
guess the hero (very hard)
viscid tapir
Zeus
glossy stratus
QoP 4?
manic nimbus
there are too many heroes it makes sense on
glossy stratus
The spell lifesteal mask + blademail + force staff makes it a bit odd
viscid tapir
we need to invite thresh to the next ping and force them to build this on axe
glossy stratus
Most of this is somewhat justifiable for Axe, but if it's actually mana boots Axe I'm going to cry
glossy stratus
Thresh truly has been transported to 2015 Dota 
glossy stratus
2013 Dota then maybe, before Legion got added
glossy stratus
could also be legion commander
The mana boots are still the confusing part for me
I think Phase are faster for jungling unless your team is absurdly good at stacking
(Also the spell lifesteal when she has built-in lifesteal and healing)
...I always forget just how much healing Press The Attack gives, 300hp and a hard dispel for 90 mana, what a spell
glossy stratus
I still think her facets should be Outfight Them vs Outsmart Them
viscid tapir
anyway the innate is a health restore amp
so theoretically it amps voodoo mask
they should
and her innate should just be getting her horse back
glossy stratus
Give her a horse she can use while out of combat like the mounts from Paladins
I was half-joking but it would honestly be a pretty nifty innate for her, encourages the constant rotation into duels she likes
manic nimbus
ogre would make too much sense
same clock
same like darkseer
gonna guess its a weird build on a strength hero so
slardar
serene arrow
The force staff and fluffy hat would make it very weird on........ not-Pit Lord, whatever he's called, uh
I play him, I should know this
woeful nimbus
his government name is abyssal underlord but like
he's pit lord it's fine
same way io is wisp
viscid tapir
Underlord
viscid tapir
Furion is his deadname, he tried out Tequoia for exactly 1 patch and then went back to not having a name
manic nimbus
Tequoia is his cringe name that undying reminds him of regularly
serene arrow
Tequoia sounds like something between a tree and an alcoholic drink
viscid tapir
does it perhaps sounds like a combo between sequoia and tequila
serene arrow
yes
viscid tapir
I like it because I think Sequoia trees are cool and don't really think about the alcohol connotation
serene arrow
I feel like Sange is a bit strange
glossy stratus
It's also again a question of why the lifesteal mask, support Furion has built-in healing with the facet and an Urn is more versatile
glossy stratus
True
serene arrow
If it wasn't for the mask, I might be tempted to say Medusa
manic nimbus
could it be beastmaster?
glossy stratus
I could see Phoenix or Batrider maybe
manic nimbus
impossible
glossy stratus
Oh, yeah, the Voodoo Mask makes that one truly impossible
I can come up with at least some sort of justification for it on most heroes, but Pugna?
viscid tapir
I guess it's building towards a Dagon?
so once you've sucked them low enough you have the inescapable zap
glossy stratus
I was wondering about Dagon but Diadem is so much better as a component for you
serene arrow
I sure have seen Dagons on Pugnas
Usually they prioritize finishing the thing a bit more highly, though...
glossy stratus
Yeah, it synergizes with Decrep nicely, I just can't fathom building its components in this order
cursive wing
against a team with no stuns the pugna blademail could be very funny
you get a 5 hero suck on your nether ward and then they all say GET THIS GUY and you press blademail while healing a ton
and they just all die
glossy stratus
against a team with no stuns the pugna blademail could be very funny
Honestly even if they have stuns I don't hate it if they've got squishy backline jumpers, and it's potentially quite high value if the stuns are on the less mobile members of their team and you can force them out of position
I think it's hard to find a hero you can't justify Blademail on, really
glossy stratus
the sange is what gets me
My theory is they didn't know that reflected damage no longer triggers spell lifesteal, and built it for the regen amp off of blademail voodoo mask
Presumably with plans to build into K&S
Plus they just seemed to want HP in general, given the Fluffy Hat
cursive wing
the sange is what gets me
It amplifies the Regen from succ
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up for some defending of the ancients (2)?
glossy stratus
I might be around to defend the ancients (2), let me check some scheduling stuffs
Okay yeah I have time for one Dote
cursive wing
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up for some defending of the ancients (2)?
my power is out sadly
cursive wing
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up for some defending of the ancients (2)?
did you win? post screenshots of the build
viscid tapir
we didn't :(
KotL innate: You cannot go below 75 mana
Shadow Poison: 45 mana
Windrange: 50 mana
Pulse Nova: 70 mana at max level
Nihilism: 50 mana
manic nimbus
It amplifies the Regen from succ
I guess?
glossy stratus
light urchin
Hmm
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone for some games?
olive moon
yea i could play 1
cursive wing
Yeah
glossy stratus
@cursive wing is your power back?
cursive wing
Hmmmmmm
cursive wing
<@&877973728997294120> last game of the night wee woo wee woo
pearl chasm
RIP facets
glossy stratus
<@&877973728997294120> https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.41
pearl chasm
I actually am so sad about facets
olive moon
perseverance back in secret shop as the frog intended
glossy stratus
Yeah, same - really the only thing I actively want removed from the game right now are neutral items and non-shared-vision effects (like Mars arena facet), facets were a neat design space
light urchin
Oh!!
glossy stratus
I'm waiting for the day I see "Side shops added"
light urchin
Facets removed from the game well shit, alright
cursive wing
holy crap
raw meadow
Wisdom Shrines and Lotus Pools now reverse their countdowns if heroes from opposing teams enter the area, instead of pausing the countdown
holy crap lois
glossy stratus
>>> Wisdom Shrines and Lotus Pools now reverse their countdowns if heroes from o...
Oh I like this change a lot
cursive wing
TRUE SIGHT URN
cursive wing
was urn not already giga nonsense
no but like new urn solves a big problem game had
which is lategame invis being so oppressive because it requires an item slot
MANA BOOTS GIVE MANA
raw meadow
cursive wing
DAGON CAST RANGE, TIME TO BUILD IT ON ALL MY SUPPORTS
fuck maelstrom squirrel
now we have DAGON EVERYONE
we are all kez
raw meadow
Incoming Heal Amplification now stacks diminishingly with Health Restoration instead of additively with Outgoing Heal Amplfication
DEADLOCK
Refresher Shard
Reset Cooldowns no longer refreshes items
DEADLOCK
glossy stratus
Hmm, Torm changes make it take longer and truly nightmarish to get jumped during with the low ground, I like that a lot
cursive wing
BANE??!
time to become a terrorist
too bad it's capped
imagine just getting like 10 stacks on the enemy carry
and then they literally can't
glossy stratus
Makes it an objective you need to know where they are before you can take
raw meadow
25% is still goofy as fuck
light urchin
raw meadow
uncapped would truly be some nonsense
light urchin
Chaos Knight???
glossy stratus
Bane sleeping the entire enemy team forever:
raw meadow
dota 2 powerpoints guy gonna be found dead in a ditch
glossy stratus
Radiant safe lane hard camp's spawn box has been moved towards the offlane to remove a bad ward location
lmao this ward spot came up for me like 3 days ago
light urchin
But yeah looks like they chopped facets to just try and sneak some of their favorite ideas into the base kit/mop up some meh innates
raw meadow
But yeah looks like they chopped facets to just try and sneak some of their favo...
that and I think most heroes just had one Good facet
and then the meme one
light urchin
Lich got Sacrifice back??
raw meadow
LICH GONNA HAVE YOUR MANA
viscid tapir
SACRIFICE IS BACK
cursive wing
WHAT
light urchin
lmao they just shuffled lifestealer's passives again
glossy stratus
No snackrificing the mid wave though
Water Bubble (Large): Radius is now affected by Area of Effect bonuses
thank goodness, game is playable again
elder lodge
So wait, Base Lich just drains mana
raw meadow
Meepo grants stacking bonuses to himself and his clones based on their terrain. Each Meepo grants its bonus to other Meepos. If there is a tree within 250 range, he receives +1 Health Regen. If he is standing on solid ground, he receives 2% bonus movement speed. If he is in the water, his attacks slow the target by 2% for 2 seconds
dude what 😭
what the fuck are they cooking
glossy stratus
So wait, Base Lich just drains mana
I'm guessing with strting int he has a bit of mana regen? Need to check in game
But if Silencer kills him enough...
glossy stratus
>>> Meepo grants stacking bonuses to himself and his clones based on their terra...
The geomancer part of Meepo the Geomancer is finally relevant
glossy stratus
I know what model I'm taking in Ability Draft
light urchin
Oh, big Ogre nerf - they folded both fireblasts into one ability
raw meadow
this is messed up. warlock is gonna eat good
in which elder titan presses one button and sends everyone to hell
cursive wing
elder titan doesnt exist
raw meadow
i simply do not see the briefcase
light urchin
glossy stratus
this is messed up. warlock is gonna eat good
Echoechoslam
light urchin
And now you can explode into up to 6 chickens
cursive wing
and the movespeed is very nice
glossy stratus
I think it should be tied to time, +1 chicken every 10 mins
raw meadow
literally unkillable
light urchin
as a techies player i can tell you the mana regen is fucking massive, so much of this character you have to build around being able to keep the mana pumps going
light urchin
oh YEAH
glossy stratus
Oooh Monkey King really wants to get an MKB now, lore accurate
light urchin
(Blubber got moved to Kraken Shell so you still aren't safe)
glossy stratus
(Attack range is massively valuable with Wukong's Command)
light urchin
Ah, Underlord didn't get to keep the cleave, tragic
oho
I believe that now gives visage best access to flying movement in the game
glossy stratus
Earliest and highest uptime, but losing it on attack or cast definitely excludes it from best overall
light urchin
Yeah, but still pretty big for em
Very very interesting patch
I'm glad they kept some of the fun facets
Imagine how huge Tidehunter can get now
The very broad push from making things scale off of pure level rather than ult level is interesting
glossy stratus
ngl of all the changes in the patch I'm pretty sure this one is the most significant
Junglers might exist again
Because getting neutrals on your team early is huge efficiency
light urchin
Alternatively gives more incentive to fight over wavepulls
glossy stratus
Both, really
Makes any hero who can dip into the jungle early very nice to have, support Mirana gets a ton of value
light urchin
The very broad push from making things scale off of pure level rather than ult l...
I suppose it's a broad move to like, smoothen powerspiking/how things feel in the midgame?
glossy stratus
It was also a bit weird when it was tied to ability levels because it limited build variety
Heroes that might otherwise skip their ulti situationally were incentivized to follow the boring standard ult at 6
light urchin
Oh man is schmoovin
glossy stratus
Oh I like that it's not specifically Rocket Barrage any more
Barrage still gives the most but you'll get some significant value out of Flak and Calldown in big fights
So who can get maximum value out of this? Rubick is an easy 6, I don't recall if he can steal secondary spells to bring it to 8?
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> well, I've looked through the patchnotes enough to be hyped. Anyone up for some games?
glossy stratus
Wait Keen-Eyed is limited to int heroes, my Hoodwink cast range ;_;
light urchin
<@&877973728997294120> well, I've looked through the patchnotes enough to be hyp...
I'm down!
glossy stratus
I don't have time for a game right now but I'll be around in an hourish
viscid tapir
also some bugfixes
and some Ability Draft changes for @glossy stratus
Ability Draft:
All heroes now have their innate ability when drafted
Updated ability pool to match the added/removed abilities for 7.41
Fixed Lone Druid's Spirit Bear not spawning after some time
Fixed Rearm not granting Keen Conveyance
Fixed Techies' Reactive Tazer not working with Largo's Aghanim's Shard
Hmm, Specialist's Array doesn't work with Gyro Aghs, that's annoying
cursive wing
<@&877973728997294120> game2 ping
lost garden
I can join but I am currently streaming
so
question: would people be okay being on stream or would I need to end
glossy stratus
Soup is taking a long time to cook, so game 3 for me
cursive wing
i think you gotta end
there is way too high a risk of a random joining the voice channel and saying something
this is a public discord
light urchin
I could get us a private channel maybe?? but it'd be easier to not
unless you feel like hiding where you collect your gamers
lost garden
ehhh but I'm having fun live, lol
I don't care
if y'all aren't bothered by it
I'll risk it, I stream with my public communities all the time
but I wanted to ask here
because if I join to ask, well, lol
light urchin
We do still have a third comin back in a sec, so wait on their word I s'pose
light urchin
We do still have a third comin back in a sec, so wait on their word I s'pose
@lost garden yeah it's alright
viscid tapir
you just kill 1 common man...
(derp was tidehunter, hence the hungry)
raw meadow
the jajajajajaja really adds a Flavor to this
cursive wing
chill game
viscid tapir
meanwhile I was going for a "you only ban a man" comparison
steel forge
<@&877973728997294120> https://www.dota2.com/patches/7.41
I like this rubick change, it’s very funny. I will now be ganking the safelane at 3 minutes every game pls stand ready
swift sand
Damn, they increased the scaling from 10,5%+0,5% to 10%+0,5%
(I know it's meant level up is meant to be read together, rather than "per level, up to")
viscid tapir
They really messed up not naming the Shawl "Robe" instead.
swift sand
Looking through the patch and seeing many of my old favourites seemingly buffed does make me very tempted to return to Dota.
viscid tapir
Grab the role! I'm sure there will be renewed interest here for a while.
cosmic wadi
Last night I dreamed I was playing earthshaker in my back yard which had neutral camps
glossy stratus
I hope you made a nice triple stack and echo slammed them
And that your HoA didn't complain about the noise
light urchin
Fascinating
glossy stratus
This will be fascinating for Ability Draft
raw meadow
instead of warlock's tome, winter wyvern has yaoi
glossy stratus
It's why she guards her library so zealously
viscid tapir
<@&877973728997294120> anyone up for a game? or will be up for a game soon(-ish)?
serene arrow
Hmm, sure
manic nimbus
sure!
cursive wing
yes
glossy stratus
I might be around soonish, but if you get 5 definitely go without me
glossy stratus
I'll know whether it's soon or not within 5 minutes, it depends on this ticket
olive moon
i can game 2 if theres space
light urchin
I'm also around
manic nimbus
I think we are still full
viscid tapir
