Ilean Modern Industrial

[fathom idol]

Aw golly. Everyone seems to like the caution tape! I don't even remember where that idea came from, other than same vague riffing on bandaged eva units. There's also a little bit of Dead Space design language in there (not a lot, just a little).

Let me see if I can find the initial design ideas, there were a few different options for it...

( @stoic basin do you have the original yss sketches readily to hand, by chance? )

[stoic basin]

yep!

[fickle tapir]

oh these all rock

[desert otter]

So got a player actually looking into that thing. Any tips to pass on?

[stoic basin]

into the yi-sun-shin? hmm

well, our best advice is to be strategic with when you make someone intangible, since you only get to pop that off 1/scene/character

getting up to and bullying someone who's being a pain can get your allies extra time to get out of dodge, though that also basically locks them onto you too

you can actually do this by grappling provided the target's smaller than you, since you technically immobilize them while you're holding onto them

remember that you're gonna get dunked on by witches and that you're gonna need to put some investment in engineering to make sure that the combat drill doesn't immediately make you melt down, too

do you know what licenses they're planning to take after vlad, or have already?

[desert otter]

Sorry for the late reply but Vlad Sherman and from the looks of it they might be doing Caliban

Correction. He's going into Toku and Sherman as well

[stoic basin]

torch is always good, reactor stabilizer will be your friend, and you can't go wrong with rsu or dwhs

[frigid steppe]

radical stuff!

how has your lore been progressing? been a while since I peeked in here

[dreamy panther]

Just dropping a note that a player of mine brought this to my attention because they were interested in gear from your supplement 💖

[scenic crow]

Gonna be in a game piloting the Yi-Sun Shin MK2, probably gonna explode bc I have no idea how I'm building this thing

[stoic basin]

o7

godspeed

[scenic crow]

I'm not sure how well this will go at ll2, the speed and heat caps scare me a lil

[scenic crow]

I have a question regarding invert ontology. Does it work with white witch's pinning spire the way I think it does.

[stiff burrow]

lol

I think the "always in range of melee attacks" beats Intangible here

[scenic crow]

Oh the point would be taking them to the pain dimension where they can't hurt friends

Since Intangible characters can't hurt non intangibles usually right?

[ivory minnow]

They would be “in range” but wouldn’t be able to hit you cause of intangible

At least I would think

[scenic crow]

I'd still be in danger doing this

[unreal yew]

In general, Pinning Spire would end if you or your target became Intangible, though that trait likely overrides that.

[scenic crow]

Aaaaah.

I do apologize for the late night rules question

[stiff burrow]

Oh yeah that should work

[fringe nacelle]

yeah generally speaking if something allows interaction regardless of tangibility (my brain almost spelled "tangerine" for some reason) i think the usual intent/ruling is that it overrides tangibility

(if this makes no sense then yeah my brain is fried)

[eternal pike]

does inflicting heat/tech attacks count as “doing damage” for the purpose of this core bonus?

[quiet nymph]

Heat is not damage.

[eternal pike]

that’s hilarious, thank you

i will now make a flying minotaur

[stoic basin]

excellent 😌

[eternal pike]

i mean technically the zephyros is right there, but still, this is funnier

[silver flicker]

hm

mayhaps we should make IMI builds

[stoic basin]

🥹

it'd be very cool of you, ioho 😌

[silver flicker]

ah! well, now we have to

[quiet nymph]

Here's my idea.

-- SSC Dusk Wing @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  SSC Dusk Wing 2, IMI FOEHN 1, IMI OSTRIA 2, SSC Black Witch 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  HYPERLIGHTWEIGHT ALLOY, Integrated Weapon
[ TALENTS ]
  Crack Shot 3, Gunslinger 3, Nuclear Cavalier 3
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:+1 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:6 EVA:12 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun
  INTEGRATED WEAPON: Strafe Rifle
  AUX/AUX MOUNT: Strafe Rifle / Strafe Rifle
  FLEX MOUNT: Veil Rifle
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Flicker Field Projector, Slip Weave Actuators, Ferrous Lash, Personalizations, Armament Redundancy, High Tensile Crash Gear

Flying Crack Shot Dusk Wing.

The other stupid thing I thought about doing with Hyperlightweight Alloy is putting it on a Saladin and just walking around with shields up.

[stoic basin]

inch resting,,,

can we ask: why hyperlightweight?

[quiet nymph]

-- HA Saladin @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  HA Saladin 2, HA Sunzi 1, IMI SQUAMISH 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  HYPERLIGHTWEIGHT ALLOY, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
  Centimane 3, House Guard 3, Grease Monkey 3
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:6 SYS:0 ENGI:0
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+0
  SPD:6 EVA:12 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: 5/3 Swarm Nexus (Harrier Munitions Mod) // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Outreach/Relay Drones, Accelerate, ENCLAVE-Pattern Support Shield, Flash Anchor, Armament Redundancy

Enclave Support Shield immobilizes its user.

Hyperlightweight means you can still walk around with it up.

There's something a bit perverse about putting Ilean stuff on a HA frame, though. :P

[fringe nacelle]

JCH3 deserves to get F*cked

[stoic basin]

oh lmao don't even worry about that, that's already canon
Designed to fill a perceived hole in the Ilean forces’ armory, the HALFSTACK was developed primarily by Adamant Arms to be a recoilless rifle platform for firing self-guiding rocket munitions, and performed well in its role. While a welcome sight to many Ilean pilots (and several HA pilots, given its appearance in their ranks), the weapon is abhorred by maintenance techs for its obscene upkeep requirements to the point where pilots are asked never to use the HALFSTACK unless absolutely tactically necessary.

[stoic basin]

tbh, it's just good to see that it works! we did really hope that hyperlightweight got used for this kind of defender shuffling chicanery, so you making this proves that we were on to something 😌

[eternal pike]

something something old SIDHE compendium entry

[quiet nymph]

Another theft.

-- HA Tokugawa @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  HORUS Balor 2, HA Tokugawa 2, IMI CIERZO 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Overpower Caliber, Integrated Weapon
[ TALENTS ]
  Grease Monkey 3, Nuclear Cavalier 3, Skirmisher 2, Gunslinger 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:21 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:12 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:6 SENSE:10 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun
  INTEGRATED WEAPON: Nexus (Light)
  FLEX MOUNT: Missile Rack / Missile Rack
  MAIN MOUNT: QEA-Type DMR (Nanocomposite Adaptation) // Overpower Caliber
  MAIN MOUNT: Assault Rifle
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Hover Platform, Type-3 Projected Shield, Scanner Swarm, Personalizations, Armament Redundancy

[stoic basin]

ooooh

:3c

[quiet nymph]

Like, 1d6+4 Accurate Main, with Loading as its only downside, is crying out to be OC looped.

[stoic basin]

love to see it and the hover platform get some love 😌

we need to get to sleep, but we're honestly so glad to hear people enjoy imi

all ny'all have more than made our week

[quiet nymph]

Eep well!

[spring swan]

OH THIS IS THE PLANE ONE

always made me feel rainy and i fucked with that heavily

[stoic basin]

ty!

[arctic kindle]

I'm in an odd place where I don't particularly vibe with any of the frames themselves and wouldn't pick them, but I absolutely adore the pack as a whole and love having it around.

[fluid junco]

https://youtu.be/_hsRG7KVZo0 Average SHINATOBE class NHP, goading their pilot to get a gun kill

[arctic kindle]

Thaaaat's Prez for ya.

[quiet nymph]

-- IMI COROMUEL @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  IPS-N Blackbeard 3, IMI COROMUEL 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Gyges Frame
[ TALENTS ]
  Duelist 3, Executioner 3, Hunter 3
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:20 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:9 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:-2 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:6 SENSE:5 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  MAIN/AUX MOUNT: HGK-Type Stave / Twin-Point Blade
  HEAVY MOUNT: Hypergolic Lance // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
  SEKHMET-Class NHP, Reinforced Cabling, Synthetic Muscle Netting, Armament Redundancy

Last one for now. This is Cat With Wings.

SEKHMET and SMN are obvious. Reinforced Cabling is so you can fly even without boosting.

[fringe nacelle]

"the plane one"

lmao i love it

i've seen the squamish in action and it's pretty nasty, also got to play around with a coromuel for a bit (one of its weapons was really fun on a genghis worldkiller because i could just WWE my way into crowd control)

[stoic basin]

imi: it's the plane one!™️

[quiet nymph]

But yeah, even without Sekhmet, there's a lot of synergy. It gets that juicy +1 accuracy to Hull Checks for Reinforced Cabling.

[silver flicker]

alright

time to make our meanest builds with these things

[silver flicker]

we have made a realization that is
simple. beautiful, even

Sometimes the meanest build is the one that does damage

okay but also: the fun part:

weird sets of pilot triggers

[stoic basin]

👀👀👀

[silver flicker]

[ LICENSES ]
  HA Barbarossa 2, HA Sherman 3, SSC Monarch 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Superior by Design, Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ TALENTS ]
  Technophile 3, BLACK THUMB 2, Nuclear Cavalier 2, Siege Specialist 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:23 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:13 REPAIR:7
  TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:3 EVA:6 EDEF:6 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  MAIN MOUNT: Mortar
  MAIN MOUNT: Sharanga Missiles
  SUPERHEAVY TURRET BRACING
  HEAVY MOUNT: Tachyon Lance // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints // STABILIZED - ARCING
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Enlightenment-Class NHP, ASURA-Class NHP x3, “Roller” Directed Payload Charges x4, Javelin Rockets, Personalizations```

Sometimes the meanest build is just the one that hides behind a building and deals 8 Burn

[eternal pike]

the tritton will never not be funny to me

it’s a tank in a mech game

…i should make more memeposts for IMI stuff

[silver flicker]

don't question how we're arcing that laser, we just are

hmm. Admittedly we feel like we could do more here, but it's not a bad build we think

[stoic basin]

this is beautiful 🤩

[silver flicker]

Thank you!

The sixth license was kinda tricky since Barb3 doesn't have anything for this build really, but there's not a ton else that directly contributes

we were also eyeing Swallowtail 1 but the low Sensors made us decide not to

[fringe nacelle]

well they shouldn't have brought mechs to a tank fight then

[hollow needle]

I made one ages ago, but I suppose IMI is due for another one xD
https://preview.redd.it/dont-tell-anyone-the-tritton-and-the-ptolemy-are-the-same-v0-ybt1mw0l78wc1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a2add7fb4222c298fb8c44648d20210f919ad64c

[fringe nacelle]

that is absolutely amazing i love it

[stoic basin]

oh this is beautiful

[arctic kindle]

Wait, the tonk is IMI? I forgot where it came from. I love the Tritton.

[stoic basin]

it's so good to know that people love our weird rolling pancake 😌

[silver flicker]

just put a gun on some wheels

it's that simple

[autumn stag]

I said it here, just reiterating

[fringe nacelle]

You can also make the Tritton fly

Because why not

[stoic basin]

that is sick as fuck 😌

[stoic basin]

@night sable

[silver flicker]

you can make the Tritton fly the same way you can make any piece of metal fly:

lots of thrusters

(in this instance represented by Type-I Flight Suite)

[fluid junco]

Not me putting Wa-Zal licenses on my tritton build to have WALKING TANK

[random topaz]

tanks are good and lancer deserves more of them tbh

i remember the one post ash made which was like yeah you can make a lancer party which is just a mechanized infantry column

[fringe nacelle]

no idea if this is good or not but this is just absurd

[ LICENSES ]
  SSC Death’s Head 2, SSC Monarch 1, IMI CIERZO 1, HA Barbarossa 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  All-Theater Movement Suite, Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ TALENTS ]
  Crack Shot 3, Ace 3, Stormbringer 2, Nuclear Cavalier 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:0
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:7 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+0
  SPD:3 EVA:6 EDEF:6 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  MAIN MOUNT: Sharanga Missiles
  MAIN MOUNT: HALFSTACK Multipurpose Weapon System
  SUPERHEAVY TURRET: Cyclone Pulse Rifle // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Core Siphon, Hover Platform, Javelin Rockets, Siege Stabilizers, High-Stress Mag Clamps```

also this was the first name comp/con came up with for it

[ LICENSES ]
  HA Barbarossa 2, HA Genghis 3, IMI SUMATRA 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Mount Retrofitting, Heatfall Coolant System
[ TALENTS ]
  Vanguard 3, Siege Specialist 3, Nuclear Cavalier 3
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:11 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:6 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun
  RETROFITTED MOUNT: Shotgun / Chitter-Chatter SMG // Mount Retrofitting
  MAIN MOUNT: Mortar
  SUPERHEAVY TURRET: Plasma Thrower
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Counter-Hostile Chaff Launcher x4, HAVOK Charges x4, “Roller” Directed Payload Charges x4, Explosive Vents```

[arctic kindle]

..Hold on, next you're going to tell me it's equipped with a nuclear-warhead railgun.

Ukelele/Writing & VA Comms OPEN! ↩️

[Reply to:](#1139694225932439584 message) Not me putting Wa-Zal licenses on my tritton build to have WALKING TANK

[stoic basin]

this is just a tbk tritton

seccomm used these before they figured out the worldkiller

,,,, genuinely, this seems like a really, really solid build. it's a little weak in speed (we'd maybe swap to 2/4/0/2), but it's definitely not impossible to deal with, either, and it's hardly like the plasma thrower is lacking in range to make up for that difference

(that, and maybe swap mount retrofitting for autostab on that plasma thrower)

[fringe nacelle]

you dare insult the chitter-chatter?

😛

[quiet nymph]

I actually have a homebrew world and culture that idolizes tanks because they're the ultimate symbol of unity, a handful of people operating as one

They don't eschew mechs, they aren't stupid, but mech pilots are seen as antisocial weirdos who feel dysmorphic without a giant body of steel.

I am trying to figure out how they feel about the Triton.

[quiet nymph]

Actually, they'd fucking hate it. The bonds between tankers are considered stronger than family, because in a tank, even a momentary disagreement can lead to death.

And a tank that is outfitted like a mech, and can be operated by a single person like a mech, would be a dire insult.

They'd especially hate that HA was making it. SecComm lashed out at them during its collapse, like they did other worlds incompatible with anthrochauvanism, and they were one of the few people to beat back SecComm's newfangled mechs with tanks alone. This would be considered a mockery of the tank's perfect form.

[unkempt belfry]

https://youtu.be/LKXl3zR7GwI?si=Shq1U2Inh23eqF-q

Chad tanker crew vs loser mecha nerd

[hollow needle]

God that video is so stupid, I love it

[unkempt belfry]

Same

[hollow needle]

-- HA TRITTON @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
HA Barbarossa 2, HA Gilgamesh 2, IPS-N Blackbeard 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Superior by Design, Universal Compatibility
[ TALENTS ]
Duelist 3, Executioner 3, Juggernaut 3
[ STATS ]
HULL:4 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:2
STRUCTURE:4 HP:21 ARMOR:2
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:11 REPAIR:7
TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+1
SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:6 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
MAIN MOUNT: Superthermal Blade
MAIN MOUNT: Chain Axe
HEAVY MOUNT: Nanocarbon Sword
[ SYSTEMS ]
Synthetic Muscle Netting, Rapid Burst Jump Jet System, Utility Drone x3, “Roller” Directed Payload Charges x3

[hollow needle]

now it's accurate

[quiet nymph]

Does Kai Bioplating give the Tritton the ability to swim and climb?

[stoic basin]

yep!

how horrifying your tritton looks when it does so is completely up to you, tho

[quiet nymph]

Also, it doesn't say the Tritton can't jump.

[stoic basin]

we aren't gonna stop you from hitting ramps for mad airtime

[stoic basin]

also: while you were partying, i studied the blade type beat lmao

tbh, gyges frame feels like it might be a good addition to a melee tritton,,, esp with nanocarbon sword, tbh

[hollow needle]

only threw it together real quick for the memes lmao but I could unironically work xD

[quiet nymph]

-- HA TRITTON @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  SSC Dusk Wing 1, HA Barbarossa 2, HA Saladin 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Universal Compatibility
[ TALENTS ]
  Nuclear Cavalier 3, Siege Specialist 2, Skirmisher 2, Spaceborn 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:3 AGI:4 SYS:0 ENGI:1
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+0
  SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:6 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun
  MAIN MOUNT: Veil Rifle
  MAIN MOUNT: Assault Rifle
  HEAVY MOUNT: Thermal Lance (Paracausal Mod) // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Flash Anchor, Armament Redundancy, Rapid Burst Jump Jet System

Arcing Thermal Lance is pretty funny.

[stoic basin]

tbh, we've always liked the idea of railgun tritton for that exact reason-- giving line weapons arcing is a seriously good buff for them

[quiet nymph]

Yeah, but... ordnance.

[silver flicker]

the railgun's already ordnance right

...wait no we're thinking of superheavy turret

[fickle tapir]

Backreading a bit but @polar rampart 's in stars and melody 's Ironleaf Foundry has a tank, The Laurel

We love lancer tanks

[polar rampart]

That was surprising to be noted about but hey, glad someone likes it. XD

[fickle tapir]

My friend group loves the tank

They keep bringing it up

[polar rampart]

It was invented like 50% because I know that a Size 3 Flier isn't an option for Every Scenario and an alt-frame that's easier to put in other places makes an unweildy base frame less of a hard sell.

[fickle tapir]

Hold on moving this further to

[random topaz]

yeah i remember the Laurel

Ash and Gold has a bunch of vehicles too, and i have a pair in Price of War

[stoic basin]

we do!

[stoic basin]

yea! we've actually been talking about making a mechless lancer game before, lmao

[random topaz]

its possible

[fringe nacelle]

me looking at these tank things like

https://tenor.com/view/addition-to-mycollection-more-collection-gif-14095863

[hollow needle]

sigh, opens Itch.io

[fringe nacelle]

@grave cedar tonk

[grave cedar]

hm?

[fringe nacelle]

just wanted to show you some vehicles

also a size 1/2 vehicle would either be a motorcycle or an ATV and i don't know hwich one is more hilarious

IMI Literally-a-fighter-jet alt when

[grave cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/general-grievous-wheel-bike-wheel-bike-speed-gif-17847124

[fringe nacelle]

that gif cuts off at the perfect time

[hollow needle]

don't drink and drive, kids

[quiet nymph]

I can't see what you do with a Red Admiral.

The main thing I can think of is Centimane to double dip Lock On attacks with an Aux nexus?

Wait, its Tech Attack is +2?

[stoic basin]

yep

[silver flicker]

what you do with a Red Admiral is basically what you do with a lot of frames that have high sensors high tech attack and also flight

and also the ability to Hide in the open

generally speaking you be a pain in the ass

and a nice like, bonus for your friends

[quiet nymph]

Also, what I want to do with the Cambion is mix homebrew. The Efreet from Suldan has the invade system Entanglement Leash, and one of its options says the target is always within reach of your melee attacks.

So you use the Spell Lash, inflict Interpolate, then you can use Integrated Weapon, Hunter 3, Duelist 3, etc. to keep beating the shit out of the guy even if he's across the map.

[fickle tapir]

Not fully on itch yet, if i remember right, head over to #1233277997742690314 , drafts can be found there pinned

[quiet nymph]

If I had a nickel for every Goblin alt with armor and an integrated melee weapon that could make tech attacks against Evasion, I'd have two nickels, which is nice, because hey, two nickels.

(The other is Vex's Imp, which is also cool and does all these things differently.)

[fluid junco]

-# n-no of course not... what do you mean haha no I didn't think of a metal gear not at all that's crazy talk

[arctic kindle]

:3
Dare I say.

:3

[autumn stag]

-# :3

[quiet nymph]

Can the Ostria use Peregrine Dive while flying at an enemy with Hunter 1?

[arctic kindle]

yep, as long as it ends movement flying above a target it can stomp on them

[quiet nymph]

Great!

-- IMI OSTRIA @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  IPS-N Tortuga 1, IMI OSTRIA 2, SSC Mourning Cloak 1, IMI SQUAMISH 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Overpower Caliber, DEFENSIVE RECONSTRUCTION
[ TALENTS ]
  Combined Arms 3, Vanguard 3, Skirmisher 2, Hunter 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:23 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:7 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:7 EVA:12 EDEF:8 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Deck-Sweeper Automatic Shotgun (Harrier Munitions Mod)
  MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Deck-Sweeper Automatic Shotgun (CQC Mod) / Fold Knife // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Personalizations, Armament Redundancy, High Tensile Crash Gear, Custom Paint Job

It works pretty much exactly like my fucked up Mourning Cloak, except not a hacker.

Skirmish, Lunge, Dive, stab, blam for 4d6+2 damage.

And you get soft cover from everything when you're standing on an enemy.

[cosmic flame]

is the cambion a balanced frame?

The fact that the spell lash can double the +2 bonus in one action plus action combression is kinda nuts

plus as a melee it ignores cover

when spell-whip says it automatically applies a quick tech does that mean any invades applied skip the attack?

[random topaz]

I'm not sure what is meant by "double the +2 bonus", personally

[random topaz]

otherwise, yes - you're basically using the weapon as the attack component

[cosmic flame]

So hitting with spell-lash increases sesors by 2.

So then I guess it depends on how the automatically applys works when the quick tech option chosen is the tech attack

[random topaz]

This does not count for Infernal Influence.

so you only get +2

[cosmic flame]

where does it say that?

i might have an old file

But i thought I just updated all mine

[random topaz]

the main document

[cosmic flame]

not the comp//con?

[random topaz]

no

[cosmic flame]

that seems like an important thing to have there lol but I'm glad to know now. Where is the main document?

[random topaz]

in pins

[stoic basin]

there's a few small balance and wording changes like this we've made that haven't made it into the lcp-- tbh, we haven't updated it in a long while and we're gonna have to go over it with a pretty fine comb to make sure we get everything when we eventually do

[eternal pike]

oh yeah, by the way, does the Ostria take fall damage from peregrine dive?

i’d imagine you only take fall damage if you fail the save, but would like to make sure

[stoic basin]

it only does if it fails the save, yea

[eternal pike]

that’s great to hear, thanks

and then crash gear lets you mess it up 2/scene, basically

[stoic basin]

posting some in-progress lore, things are probably gonna change between now and whenever we get things properly and finally put together, but like,,,, it's something, we guess?

Ilea is, "geographically" speaking, an incredibly isolated system. Located in the middle of the Atalantan Gap--a vast area of space, distal from and trailing Cradle, and much higher above the galactic plane than it--Ilea sits alone as the only habitable world out of a single-digit number of rocky planets orbiting the handful of stars in the area. Only sharing its system with one other planet, a gas giant in a long, elliptical orbit, it is the absolute picture of desolation; its surface is coated in sands rich with toxic heavy metals where it is not ripped apart by tectonic forces. Its magnetosphere is both a blessing and a curse, with it being strong enough to keep away the solar winds that would strip it of its thick atmosphere and cosmic rays that would push it from simple toxicity and into full, dangerous radioactivity, but also interfering with even the hardiest of electronics. Its water cycle is not completed with rain, lakes, or rivers, but with the condensation and evaporation of water to and from its ocean and the hardy plants that survive on its surface. As close as it is to its dim red dwarf star, Ilea is a cold planet, freezing and thawing with the dusk and dawn. 

But, for its scattered, varied peoples, with whatever squabbles, differences, and disputes they have, it is home.```

2252u: Ilea, one of countless habitable planets noted in trade data from the Voladors, is automatically selected by the rapidly expanding Union Administration Department for human settlement. The automated colony ship "9NIZ6Q2P2J-1-2252-12-25", dubbed by a shipwright whose name has tragically been lost to time as the "Annebelle", is launched later that year from a shipyard in Cradle's asteroid belt, where it would then spend the next months burning out of the system to bolt towards Ilea proper in 2253u. 

????: An unknown amount of time later, the Annebelle makes an emergency bolt from nearlight as cascading errors wrack the ship; electrical, manufacturing, cloning, and control systems are all effected, with as much as 75% of all data lost across all systems, including (but not limited to) key memories to be preloaded into future colonists, guidebooks and records for and of colonization efforts, and genomic sequences for the humans, plants, and animals to be cloned on arrival. The emergency bolt itself, an incredibly violent maneuver in the modern era, also critically damages several of the Annabelle's key structures, compounding issues. 

Only after several years of automated repairs, both structural and technological, is the Annabelle once again able to bolt towards Ilea at a meager .2c, the highest its systems agree it can achieve without violently ripping itself apart. The rest of the Annebelle's trip is spent with all systems running on minimum power, when active at all, in an attempt to limp to Ilea however it can. 

3619u: The Annebelle bolts for the last time, having egregiously overshot its target during one of its systems' extended sleep cycles. With another nearlight bolt deemed impossible, its only option is to burn towards Ilea at sublight speeds for the next several hundred years. 

4004u (retroactively, 0i): The Annabelle finally, after nearly two millennia of travel, makes orbit around Ilea and lands near the edge of one of its many mountain ranges. Despite damage, it manages to successfully begin the process of growing human colonists, animal livestock, and crop seeds, the latter two of which it would release onto Ilea in waves while it starts to break down its own structures to begin manufacture of simple shelters. 

[SIDEBAR] To calculate the current Ilean year based off of a Union year, use the equation `i = ((u-4004)*365.26)/28.591`, where u is the Union year in question. [SIDEBAR]```

It is only with great effort that these first colonists survived as long as they did, with those that could rebuilding shelters, hunting and gathering food, and helping to educate their fellow colonists where the Annebelle's systems had failed. They were, by and large, decanted at an adolescent age, only 15; a majority of these first colonists would not survive to 40, whether due to health complications from birth defects, solar radiation, metal poisoning, or simple disease. 

4014u-4020u/129i-206i: The first Ileans begin settling the area around the Annebelle, and creatively dub their new village "Annestown" (which will later, after its destruction, instead become known as Anston). They slowly, with some help from the Annebelle, began to establish proper infrastructure. Invented during this time is the single most useful piece of technology known to Ilea, without which any long-term attempt at human settlement would be impossible: the condensing water harvester. With ready access to clean water, the people of Annestown finally had a chance to flourish.```

[silver flicker]

yeahhhhh wooooo!!

we think it's good :3

[fluid junco]

Average IMI Sumatra pilot ASMR:

[MISSILE] 
[MISSILE] 
[OVER G]
[OVER G]
[ALTITUDE WARNING]
[PULL UP]
[OVER G]
[LOCK]
[LOCK]
*BRRRRRT*```

Wait

There isn't a full on CAS imi frame, the Sumatra is just a fighter/air superiority frame

Where's my big rotary Auto cannon with wings

[stoic basin]

foehn with a levican

genuinely, that's why it's one of the only imi mechs with a heavy mount-- it's about the only one that's big enough to reasonably use it

i guess you could do something like that with the squamish and coromuel, too, but neither of them are really in the same role that the foehn is

[quiet nymph]

Coromuel can theoretically fit a Levican without core bonuses, but there's negative synergy there.

[eternal pike]

i mean, for CAS there’s the Cierzo

[fringe nacelle]

a part of me wants to see a flying mech that has an integrated heavy/superheavy nexus+cannon gun

[fluid junco]

Nono I don't believe y'all understand

The point of a CAS aircraft like the A-10 is to make a gun run, circle around, and come back to do another

It is inherently a skirmishing artillery that takes on an AREA

Not a singular target necessarily

[clear pivot]

Can someone help me understand the advantages of the GMS Sierra

The concept interests me but I'm not sure what role it fills

Drone based controller?

It seems like it would also be able to mount a super heavy which seems odd

Maybe a bunch of subalterns are literally carrying a CPR around in the field

Also, don't squads get resistance to non-aoe damage?

Being able to eject from your squad or have it meltdown also seems strange

[quiet nymph]

The squad is subalterns, and you're in there in a powered suit directing them.

[stiff burrow]

NPC squads get that kind of thing too

[clear pivot]

That's neat

[clear pivot]

What are the benefits and drawbacks of being a squad?

I see it has immunity to knockback and ram and also counts as size 1/2 for peeking over cover

I'm a new player so I'm not sure what the full implications of this are

[random topaz]

its a tarpit - use your massive size to cover a lot of ground, saboteur drones to create debilitating terrain or break into areas, and by being immune to knockback contest objectives. duck and cover in combination with brace give you immense durability, so abuse frequently

you are there to waste the enemies time and otherwise have the tools to get exactly where you need to be in order to do just that (seeing you're a liquid, and can easily flood through a 1x1 gap so long as theres enough free space)

[clear pivot]

That's pretty cool

I'm trying to think of how I would most effectively waste enemy time

Mines and drones and stuff?

[random topaz]

heavy gunner is also a good hook

size 4 means you have a massive threat radius, so leaning into overwatch stuff works too

[quiet nymph]

Was the Sierra's name an intentional riff on the GMC Sierra?

[stoic basin]

it was not! it was meant to be in reference to the sierra madre mountain range

[quiet nymph]

Which makes sense, and what the GMC Sierra was referring to as well.

[clear pivot]

Ever since I learned about the GMS Sierra I haven't been able to get the image of pikmin out of my head

Is it possible for me to dogpile enemies with a swarm of size 1/2 drones and beat them to death

[autumn stag]

Imagine a group of little dudes just climbing onto a mech, the mech topples over, and the little guys are shanking it to death on the way down

[clear pivot]

Exactly

You understand my vision

Balor graywash has nothing on these guys

[autumn stag]

You can see the void in those eyes
There's nothing behind them

[stoic basin]

the sierra's sabo crews used to be able to jockey hostile mechs, actually

[clear pivot]

Was it too powerful in practice

[stoic basin]

it was mostly just kind of awkward, actually-- everything you could do with jockey were effectively just the options you already had available, but with a billion and one saves thrown in on top of it

it slowed things down a lot

tbh, we're a little tempted to add it back as an option when you have your core active up, but we feel that might make people think it's a lot better than it actually is

[clear pivot]

Yeah it seems challenging to implement it mechanically

[fickle tapir]

MY SPOUSE THAT I HAVE LITERALLY CALLED IT THE PIKMIN MECH

🤝🤝🤝

[clear pivot]

pikmech

OLIMAR-CLASS NHP

[stoic basin]

coming back to this, tho, the best way to do this is probably with tss2-- you can't easily be shaken off if you grapple since you're immune to kb and ram, so you can just keep squeezing every one of your turns for free damage

,,,,,, is it bad that we immediately thought of calling a zheng/sierra build a fight club

[quiet nymph]

You probably mean Synthetic Muscle Netting.

[stoic basin]

no, we mean tss2. smn would be good to be able drag the people you're grappling around, but if you want "climb on top of someone and beat them to death", we'd say that tss2 is a better fit for that flavor profile

[autumn stag]

Why not both
Both is good

[chrome dock]

I wonder if I could rope an upcoming GM in letting me play with the GMS Sierra.

Playing a squad of dudes in tactical sounds absolutely hilarious.

[fickle tapir]

My friend said this is Sierra Pilots 😭

[stoic basin]

this is literally incredible, thank you so much

[silver flicker]

hmmm

we should make a sierra

[gloomy ember]

Double checking my understanding of the Sierra's saboteur crew. Does the crew share the same "pool" of actions that the mech does? Or does the crew have its own separate two quick actions that it could take in addition to the mech's usual suite of available actions?

[stoic basin]

no, the sierra must use its actions to command the sabo crews to do things, but they do get one free quick action per round each with the core power

[quiet nymph]

Thinking about the Foehn being a nice statstick.

Also, what kind of action is Shock Drop Bays?

And does the Foehn take it, or its ally?

[fringe nacelle]

I believe it follows the normal rules for mounting and dismounting so the ally takes the QA

[quiet nymph]

Oh, question about the LCP. With the release of Dustgrave and its integration into Comp/Con, is it possible to give the Tritton two Main, one Heavy, and one Superheavy mount?

[hollow needle]

If you are talking about the Core Bonus, no, You can only put superheavy Mounting on frames that have 2 or less mounts

If your mech has fewer than 3 mounts (excluding integrated mounts) it gains an additional superheavy mount. It can only take SUPERHEAVY WEAPONS. They still require an additional mount to be installed. If your mech also has a heavy mount the SUPERHEAVY WEAPON must use that mount as the additional mount.

[stoic basin]

imi is specifically not balanced with any dustgrave content in mind, due to our own personal issues with dustgrave's content and balancing thereof

to be more specific, it's because of the sheavy cb. it's just. Not good game design and we hate that it got the stamp of Official Content on it

[hollow needle]

out of curiousity, is there an extended rant somewhere I can read up on?

[quiet nymph]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that giving it a Superheavy Mount as well as a Heavy Mount in Comp/Con would be a better implementation of the feature that lets it mount a Superheavy without a bracing mount.

Because there's already code that says when you have both mounts, you have to use a Heavy for bracing it.

The only thing that would change is the implementation in the LCP.

[stoic basin]

ah, sorry, we're kind of out of it right now

we'd,,,, definitely be interested in seeing if we can make that work, but we're a little worried if it'll still let you undermount

and there's also the fact that you can choose to still use a bracing mount, too

[quiet nymph]

Yeah, I just realized it'd prevent you from using a normal bracing mount.

[clear pivot]

Oh wait grapple prevents reactions

Doesn't seem great on the Sierra then

Losing out on duck and cover is a hefty penalty

Maybe this is too much of a meme build

[quiet nymph]

I've seen the name before when I looked at the mech stats, but I'm reminded the reaction is called "Duck and Cover", and I'm thinking about the Sierra subalterns carrying 1950s school desks.

https://coldwar.unc.edu/2019/05/duck-and-cover-1951/

[clear pivot]

Flash printing school desks

[clear pivot]

now i'm thinking balor/manticore build for the sierra

tarpit + damage

[stoic basin]

😌

we hope all of our homebrew hits you like this

[autumn stag]

Honestly, it kinda does

Good stuff

[quiet nymph]

The Foehn is my favorite, except I don't know what I'd use it for.

It's generically good.

It can fly, it can carry a dude, and it can do one other thing which I can't remember. It also has the catapult core power.

And the one thing I dislike about it is that it's not a single use efficient core.

[clear pivot]

-- GMS SIERRA @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
HORUS Balor 3, HORUS Minotaur 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
The Lesson of Thinking-Tomorrow’s-Thought, The Lesson of the Open Door
[ TALENTS ]
Executioner 3, Pankrati 2, Drone Commander 2, Exemplar 2
[ STATS ]
HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:2 ENGI:2
STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:0
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:7 REPAIR:6
TECH ATK:+2 LIMITED:+1
SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:10 SENSE:8 SAVE:15
[ WEAPONS ]
FLEX MOUNT: Assault Rifle
HEAVY MOUNT: Nanobot Whip
[ SYSTEMS ]
Swarm Body, Metafold Carver, Interdiction Field, Type-3 Projected Shield

[stoic basin]

oooooooh, vvv good 😌

[spring swan]

i love the mental image of superheavy weapons with the sierra

like a big fuckoff tachyon lance crew

[arctic kindle]

Bring up the PIAT!

[spring swan]

or even better, d/d288

what do the lil guys even do

[clear pivot]

Wonderful 101 mech

Little guys stacking themselves into oversize weapons

[fringe nacelle]

It's just a bunch of little punches clearly

[hollow needle]

I imagined it like that one vine where 3 dudes are walking up to another dude who is way taller, so the two of the other ones lift up their third, do a twirl and slap the tall dude in the face (I had searched this vine for half an hour, I couldn't find it)

[clear pivot]

Hm, the build I posted relies on the duck and cover reaction to survive pulling enemies directly onto it and holding them there, but that makes it easy for enemies to grapple it, which disables the reaction

Armor lock plating requires 2ll and requires me to brace which messes with action economy and also prevents reactions

Maybe I should still get it though

Maybe metafold carver and nanobot whip are redundant for the purposes of grabbing people

My talents enjoy having a threat 3 heavy melee though

[clear pivot]

Ll1 of SSC white witch seems to offer very good stuff

[chrome arrow]

So uh forgive me, but how do you fire this as a reaction when it has no threat?

[quiet nymph]

In a Main/Aux or Aux/Aux mount? Bonded/Exemplar/Gunslinger/Tactician? Monitor Module/SCYLLA?

Also, every weapon has 1 threat.

[silver flicker]

Prepare if you're feeling Evil

but also yeag all that

[chrome arrow]

ah

ok

Thanks

👍

[clear pivot]

Could a Sierra legally teleport the target of their Ophidian Trek onto a tile they already occupy, given that one of the Sierra's traits allows them to overlap characters and objects?

[fringe nacelle]

Your target is teleported 1d6+1 spaces directly toward you, or as close as possible. If this effect would move them to a space occupied by a character, object, or piece of terrain, the teleport fails.

The answer seems to be no because it only checks whether a space is occupied or not, not if an occupied space can fit multiple characters

It's a true/false statement, in other words

[quiet nymph]

Yeah, but it would just put them adjacent to the Sierra.

It's like a larger character using it on an Atlas.

[clear pivot]

gotcha

[clear pivot]

Apparently swarm body has a bunch of issues that are more limiting than I had first estimated

Annihilation nexus looks like a good source of burst template damage that doesn't blow myself up compared to manticore

[glad kernel]

[ LICENSES ]
  IPS-N Lancaster 2, IMI FOEHN 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Superior Logistics
[ TALENTS ]
  House Guard 3, Tactician 2, Ace 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:22 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:7 SENSE:8 SAVE:12
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Mortar
  HEAVY MOUNT: Heavy Machine Gun
[ SYSTEMS ]
  MULE Harness, Cable Winch System, Whitewash Sealant Spray, Restock Drone x3, Personalizations```
*Riskiest Assumption*
Based on a funny thought I had the other day, what if Foehn + Mule Harness?

[quiet nymph]

Yeah, I thought of an Annihilation Nexus Sierra because not only is it huge, but it has an unlimited source of drones.

[clear pivot]

I haven't used super heavies before

I heard that a lot of them are too cumbersome

But at least I can move at all

I wonder if centimane will make much of a difference

[clear pivot]

What would a drone commander Sierra do differently than a hydra?

[fringe nacelle]

Well it's big, for one.

Size 4 Annihilation Nexus is insane

[quiet nymph]

It also doesn't run out of drones.

[clear pivot]

Got it

[spark lynx]

So, have recently downloaded the LCP for this, and so far, I'm definitely liking the look of what IMI has to offer. Particularly the Foehn and Cierzo, which both look like they'd be good for a gunship/flying fortress type of build.

[stoic basin]

thank you! it's definitely always nice to hear that people are liking imi 😌

[spark lynx]

Also just cannot stop chuckling to myself how IMI introduces a literal Main Battle Tank as a Barbarossa Alt Frame.

[stoic basin]

ah, yes, the Flat Fuck

[spark lynx]

Also like the Red Admiral Alt Frame for the Swallowtail. Reject Mech, become Predator Drone XD

[spark lynx]

Of course, I'm also imagining the Tritton doing a Ram and Grapple combo as the tank knocking an enemy mech to the ground by bulldozing it on the front hull and then just... parking atop the hapless Mech.

[spark lynx]

Also: The tank is FLYING towards your position -- HA TRITTON @ LL6 -- [ LICENSES ] HA Barbarossa 2, HA Tokugawa 1, IMI CIERZO 2, IMI OSTRIA 1 [ CORE BONUSES ] Superior by Design, AFTERBURNER EXHAUST OVERCLOCK [ TALENTS ] Nuclear Cavalier 3, Stormbringer 3, Ace 2, Field Analyst 1 [ STATS ] HULL:4 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:2 STRUCTURE:4 HP:23 ARMOR:2 STRESS:4 HEATCAP:11 REPAIR:7 TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+1 SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:6 SENSE:8 SAVE:13 [ WEAPONS ] Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun MAIN MOUNT: HALFSTACK Multipurpose Weapon System MAIN MOUNT: HALFSTACK Multipurpose Weapon System SUPERHEAVY TURRET: Cyclone Pulse Rifle (Autocycle Mod) [ SYSTEMS ] Rapid Burst Jump Jet System, High Tensile Crash Gear, External Batteries, Personalizations just threw this together on a whim. Because nothing says "bring me my brown pants" quite like a tank rocketing towards someone's position at the speed of Eurobeat.

[stoic basin]

😌

[spark lynx]

Also, because having IMI on my Comp/Con list means I have the potential to do this someday in a Lancer game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6miBNuSI1e8

[silver flicker]

what a good emoj

[clear pivot]

-- GMS SIERRA @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
HORUS Hydra 3, HORUS Gorgon 1, SSC Swallowtail 1, HORUS Balor 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, The Lesson of the Open Door
[ TALENTS ]
Centimane 3, Drone Commander 3, Combined Arms 2, Engineer 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:2 ENGI:2
STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:0
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:7 REPAIR:6
TECH ATK:+2 LIMITED:+1
SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:10 SENSE:8 SAVE:15
[ WEAPONS ]
Integrated: Prototype Weapon I
FLEX MOUNT: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
HEAVY MOUNT: Annihilation Nexus // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
Tempest Drone, Assassin Drone, Sentinel Drone, Lotus Projector, PUPPETMASTER, Armament Redundancy

[clear pivot]

how good do you think this sierra will be at being a pain in the ass

[hollow needle]

there is always something alluring about tanks in mech games and mechs in tank games https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/1fkusey/mechs_vs_tanks/

[hollow needle]

Bro over here playing Bloons TD6

[spark lynx]

ngl, I read this and just thought to myself "wait until both of those clowns learn about almighty Tank-leg ACs."

[hollow needle]

xD quad gattling gun go brrrrrrrrrrr

[vague fox]

-- IMI FOEHN @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  IMI FOEHN 3, HA Barbarossa 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Overpower Caliber, Superior by Design
[ TALENTS ]
  Siege Specialist 3, Ace 2, Nuclear Cavalier 2, Heavy Gunner 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:6
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:14 REPAIR:4
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+3
  SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:7 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Assault Rifle
  HEAVY MOUNT: Disruption Howitzer // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Personalizations, External Ammo Feed, Thermal Shroud, “Roller” Directed Payload Charges x5, Siege Stabilizers

idk if this is amazing

but here is a Foehn that likes to cook itself

also maybe lob a Caliban at the enemy

for funsies

[clear lantern]

I've seen it done with the Purple Flytrap from WaZal and a Caliban............It's honestly hilarious and horrifying.

[hollow needle]

nice, love WaZal

[vague fox]

Ah yeah you think this is a decent disruption howitzer build or nah

[stoic basin]

oh, definitely! you'd have to watch your heat if you're planning on using ace 2 often, but it looks like you have nucav to help exploit that even if you do start heating up. we're maybe a little wary of taking siege stabilizers or heavy gunner on it, just given that siege stabilizers instantly destroys your mobility and heavy gunner tends not to play well with loading weapons, but if you're planning on reloading with external ammo feed you can probably make it work without much trouble

[vague fox]

Okay I need to actually ask a weird question

But does Siege Stabilizers work with Launch! Launch! Launch!

[stoic basin]

hmm. i think it might?

yea, it specifically doesn't work with talents or core bonuses, but that does mean that systems work with it-- we know that someone made a core siphon foehn build because of that before

[fringe nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/keemxdaxtruth-lmao-dead-nope-gif-14774804

Average Foehn experience

[vague fox]

I smile as I launch the Caliban 17 spaces into the Witch

also range 10 Genghis Mk 1 is now a thing with that combo in mind

2D6+4 of arson coming your way

[quiet nymph]

I wish Foehn's core was efficient.

Its YEET becomes once a scene rather than a bunch of times in one scene.

[vague fox]

iirc the activation is a protocol

the action itself is part of the core power

https://i.imgur.com/MLl0bft.png

also the fact it can be used on hostile characters is funny as hell

[quiet nymph]

Yeah, but it could have been made so the core power is the quick.

[fluid junco]

I mean yeah but tbf protocols are basically free actions

[quiet nymph]

You misunderstand. I wish the core power just was "Launch!" as an efficient quick. No charging protocol.

[fluid junco]

Tbh that would be nice as an efficient quick action

[vague fox]

y'know

I never asked but what is Ilean culture like @stoic basin

[vague fox]

kitbashed Ostria

[autumn stag]

Foot grabbers

[fringe nacelle]

Hell yeah

[vague fox]

Also LL6 build for the Ostria

-- IMI OSTRIA @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  IMI OSTRIA 3, SSC Dusk Wing 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Full Subjectivity Sync, EVASIVE MANEUVERING MODS
[ TALENTS ]
  Skirmisher 3, Vanguard 2, Ace 2, Combined Arms 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:4 SYS:0 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:7 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:8 EVA:16 EDEF:8 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Veil Rifle
  MAIN/AUX MOUNT: 4/4 Compact Shotgun / Micromissile Darts
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Armament Redundancy, Personalizations, Flicker Field Projector, Bodyblock Maneuver, High Tensile Crash Gear, StunCrown x3

[stoic basin]

ooooh, inch resting

[vague fox]

Slippery bastard Ostria

[stoic basin]

as it should be 😌

[vague fox]

https://i.imgur.com/FlkvMli.png

I am at peace after coloring this thing

and adding a few minor details here and there

[fluid junco]

With the greebles

[quiet nymph]

I finally figured out the theme for Ilean license names.

[stoic basin]

ooh? i mean, we'd hoped it'd been obvious, but it's good to hear anyway

[quiet nymph]

Yeah, I didn't know the names of various winds.

[stoic basin]

valid! i think it would've been more obvious if we'd went with chinook for the foehn instead of, well, foehn

[vague fox]

it's not too far out of left field tbh

also I like the naming convention

[dense crypt]

Happy one year anniversary to that one Yi-Sun-Shin MKII artwork I made

(technically it was a few days ago but who's counting :P)

(Ignore the fact that it's barely readable due to the giant particle effect spear ;P, realized too late and I was too lazy to change it)

[dense crypt]

Slight readability rework with some tips from Helio

[random topaz]

HELL yes

[stoic basin]

we cannot express just how fucking cool this is 😌

[dense crypt]

Wait, I felt like something was missing, I acidentally deleted a layer on the eye fuck-

Gimme a sec

[dense crypt]

Thank you!

FINAL final version

[stoic basin]

oh, we love that the speartip and eye both have that same kind of crystalline/flowery design

[dense crypt]

Oh yeah the speartip was highly improvised, I'm glad it turned out well

Though the eye was more based on the halo, as was my previous YSS artwork

[vague fox]

That is awesome

Btw I don't mean to repeat myself but what is Ilean culture like as a whole?

Like are there nations and stuff or...?

[fringe nacelle]

final final final final version

[dense crypt]

listen ;p

Normally I wouldn't spend this much time making changes to a single artwork, but it's partially a gift, it gets special considerations :P

[stoic basin]

there are! sorry, we have, kind of, a bunch of random notes everywhere that we've never consolidated into proper lore (outside of what's written in the doc, at least)

[vague fox]

Wait there's a doc?

[stoic basin]

there is this, but we want to expand on it way, way more before we add it to the doc

As much a product of their planet as they are of the Annebelle, the average Ilean (such as it were) has changed far from what one might consider a "baseline" human-- most notably is their height, with most Ileans standing between about 6'9 and 7'3, though some (doomed to the particularly cruel fate of never finding a clothier that caters to them) can reach as tall as 8'. Skin colors run through the full range of possibilities, although Ileans tend to be universally tanned, regardless, simply due to how much solar radiation their body has to handle-- even those with the luxury of working indoors are still bombarded with gamma rays or similar, which Ileans have had to adapt melanin analogues to withstand. 

Ileans often have somewhat elfin features-- their height, plus the genetic drift helped happily along by their sun has lead them to often have somewhat elongated faces and larger eyes, and naturally pointed ears are uncommon, but not unheard of. Their eyes tend to be either brown, blue, or grey, or a mix of all three, and their hair usually runs a range between blacks, browns, and dark auburns.

ILEAN CULTURE
Religiosity and Spiritualism
While Ilea lacks any major religions (outside of, arguably, the Church of Sun and Stone), the average Ilean has, by and large, a propensity for spiritualism and superstition. Some beliefs are tightly held, not allowing for give against others, but most are a nebulous web of minor beliefs that weave into each other as their holder sees fit, changing with time and experience. Typically, a family will have a patron deity or deities, rites, and minor rituals that are passed down, though it's not uncommon to see similar things pop up around places, groups, or phenomenon; this is especially notable in the Ilean military, whose units typically have a deity they give honors to for protection and success (with some especially zealous units taking up the title of paladins, such as the "23rd Division Paladin-Infantry"). ```

[stoic basin]

yep! https://docs.google.com/document/d/16B3So-5utMLD_K0hRzfzEtt41UBsvuKAgTs87fMg6W0/edit?usp=sharing

[dense crypt]

Oh there's a lore section now!

[vague fox]

Okay I love this

[stoic basin]

a little bit

we're,,, definitely dragging our feet on getting things properly down, sorry

[dense crypt]

I remember when it was just like "Ilea is a planet" and I was genuinely wondering why my PC was struggling to load the rest of the text haha

[stoic basin]

lmao

[dense crypt]

Oh hush, the creative process cannot be rushed lest you receive subpar results

Or, more clearly, don't worry about it, move at your own place, gods know I do looks at my highly unfinished homebrew doc

[vague fox]

Dw I also just

Write lore randomly and sporadically

I understand it too well

[dense crypt]

The last thing y'all wanna encounter is burnout while trying to push yourselves after all

[vague fox]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxc4OdNp0MOoHVaY1y4RMJPRVHRaneTn9M?si=OJxFKlLIeuqP3NkZ

If only Ostria could inflict legal fall damage

[graceful wind]

hello! ive got a player who's interested in taking the Sierra out for a spin - any tips on running it at LL3?

also wanted to say that the art you guys have goes hard

[stoic basin]

credit goes to @nova badger for the sierra! she's honestly such a great artist 😌

as for advice, what kind of build are you looking for? it's (hopefully) open to being a pretty decent multirole frame, although obv it has some preference towards drone systems given its core power

[graceful wind]

yeah, it's a super neat alt frame! hes been wanting to do a utility build and play around the saboteur crews' setup and trapping

and youre so right, i didnt even register that theyre considered drones

[fickle tapir]

Sierra is on my list of "canon" GMS mechs in my GMS lineup in my lancer lore 😌

[stoic basin]

!!!!

😌

[fickle tapir]

-# they're the largest and most prolific, well known mech manufacturer, of course they have a full line up

And the Sierra has a PERFECT spot on said line up

[stoic basin]

🥹

honestly it's so good to know that people like the little lads 😌

they're just little guys!

[fickle tapir]

Plus Ilean's history/lore is key in my setting

Especially cause the fight and aid being given to the planet/syste. currently in my alt history of the lancer vers due to the additional tech gained from my settings additional metavault

I think we've chatted about that a little tho, hehe

I should release a lore doc for that at some point 🤔

[stoic basin]

probably! and you totally should, we'd love to read through it some time 😌

[stoic basin]

right, but: unfortunately (at least ioho), the sierra kind of gets pigeonholed into picking a lot of hydra stuff-- they work really, really well together, and it's fairly straightforward. it license is chock full of control tools and utility for drones, and the annihilation nexus is,,, a little wild on a size 4 frame. there's also the gilgamesh, which is better for more generalist utility builds, as well as having the ability to deploy more squads of little dudes what with the legion nexus, but it lags a bit when it comes to utilizing them

[graceful wind]

hrm, that does all make sense - thanks for the thoughts, its always useful to hear what the writer had in mind

aside from the sierra, did Ilea have any contact w/ SECCOM? asking since im going to be running a oneshot that takes place at the end of SECCOM

and it's also the one where ive that player who's eyeing the sierra

[silver flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

we recognize some of those fellows!

(well most of them but three in particular)

[fickle tapir]

😌😌 i have the other non-GMS ones noted somewhere else, but ye, good stuff, they're fun 💚

[fringe nacelle]

Oh the Uncompaghre and Ouray made the list too? Nice!

[fringe nacelle]

Also what's the Low Budget catalogue?

[stoic basin]

memes from ember

honestly we're still so glad that people like our weird stuff

[fringe nacelle]

Amazing

The idea of the Sierra subalterns carrying around a whole ass leviathan heavy assault Cannon cracks me up

[arctic kindle]

Consider: Crew-served weapon.

🥔boisegang (he/him) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1139694225932439584 message) The idea of the Sierra subalterns carrying around a whole ass leviathan heavy assault Cannon cracks …

Like, it's a rotary HMG team.

[stoic basin]

that's how we've always thought of it!

that, or each subaltern just has a Very Large gun, and each of those adds up (mechanically) to a levican's output

,,,,, that said. we're still considering the idea of a sierra with subaltern horses to haul around a siege cannon, kind of like so

[arctic kindle]

YES.

I mean, I just love WW1 theming, so..

[stoic basin]

oh lmao, actually, agi-focused sierra build that's a bunch of subaltern cavalrymen on subaltern horses 😌

[stoic basin]

😌

[silver flicker]

your weird stuff is good !

[arctic kindle]

Oh yeah! I built (though haven't used) a "LL6" Tritton! Ignoring licenses because licenses aren't real and can't hurt you. :P

-- HA TRITTON @ LL6 --
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Overpower Caliber, Integrated Weapon
[ TALENTS ]
Brutal 3, Field Analyst 2, Skirmisher 2, Nuclear Cavalier 2
[ STATS ]
HULL:5 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:1
STRUCTURE:4 HP:25 ARMOR:2
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:7
TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+0
SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:6 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
INTEGRATED WEAPON: Oracle LMG-I 15 1d3
MAIN MOUNT: Vulture DMR 15 1d6+1
MAIN MOUNT: Vulture DMR 15 1d6+1
MAIN MOUNT: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
HEAVY MOUNT: Tachyon Lance 20 2d6 8 (Stabilizer Mod) // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
Armament Redundancy, Personalizations, Javelin Rockets, Stasis Bolt

[vague fox]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxlROuQFLLvdfr47R0m9TVfMeZabbNfAYh?si=Bhjinoiu8szts87r

self explanatory

[stoic basin]

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss 😌

[vague fox]

also yes the dive became one of the MVPs of the session that happened recently

[stoic basin]

oh, nice!!

it's good that it's a decent utility tool

[vague fox]

rabid crack monkey mech going crazy on a paladin

this was a JJK level jumping

[stoic basin]

😌

kill!!!!!

[vague fox]

oh yeah no that ultra died really fast

he was not allowed to get up

[stoic basin]

perfect!

ultras deserve to eat shit, ioho

[vague fox]

this was an Ultra Paladin so he did require a good number of hits to die but at that point the impair was putting in work

like a lot of work

(for reference the next few attacks this NPC made all whiffed horribly)

that said RK did land the killing blow on the guy

after just

clinging to him for the entire latter half of the combat session

[arctic kindle]

Also fun fact: That clip's voice line is Theodore Roosevelt specifically as portrayed by ERB. :3

[weary pier]

hello, stopping in to show off the token I made for my funny little Ostria build

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676005009292394509/1357625086307340288/On_Broken_Wings_We_Soar.png?ex=67f0e264&is=67ef90e4&hm=2ecb1ba93e2ae6afd5dbcbe7863b735117bf2543409d6ef9f3d6f69ec4c94f6a&

[ LICENSES ]
  IMI OSTRIA 2, IMI SUMATRA 1, IPS-N Tortuga 1, IPS-N Nelson 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Improved Armament, EVASIVE MANEUVERING MODS
[ TALENTS ]
  Technophile 3, Gunslinger 3, Combined Arms 2, Ace 1, Vanguard 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:1 AGI:4 SYS:2 ENGI:1
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:6 REPAIR:4
  TECH ATK:+1 LIMITED:+0
  SPD:8 EVA:14 EDEF:10 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Charged Blade (Thermal Charge)
  FLEX MOUNT: Chitter-Chatter SMG / Chitter-Chatter SMG
  MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Deck-Sweeper Automatic Shotgun (CQC Mod) / Chitter-Chatter SMG
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Enlightenment-Class NHP, Type-I Flight System, High Tensile Crash Gear, Personalizations```

the build, for those curious! Chitter-Chatter SMGs with Gunslinger 3 allows for a shockingly brutal punish to getting Peregrine Dive'd, with a Thermal Charge loaded Charged Blade to punch through armored opponents and a CQC equipped DSAS to mulch unarmored ones. Combined Arms 2 means there's never any reason not to be in your opponents' face, Vanguard 1 cancels out all the innacurates, while Ace 1 and Technophile 3 are insurance to make sure Peregrine Dive goes off successfully.

[vague fox]

I love this

[fringe nacelle]

seeing what @stoic basin did with one chitter-chatter during our Wallflower campaign, I dread to think what would happen with three lmao

[weary pier]

It's a very strong weapon, if you can handle its' accuracy issues. Vanguard and Combined Arms deal with that in CQC, and then the Ostria also just really, really likes having its' foes prone, so it can be pretty safely assumed this thing'll be shooting at +1 accuracy with every weapon it has assuming nothing goes wrong.

Swapping evasive maneuvering mods for integrated weaponry and fitting another one onto the mech is something I toyed with-- It'd allow me to stack IKWMH faster, even if I'm only using Skirmish.

One thing I didn't explain is the Type-1 Flight System; It's a 3 SP expenditure to make sure that if I need to be in the air longer than the frame trait provides, I can exchange Heat for air-time. It probably can be swapped out for something else, but the action economy for the Ostria doesn't really like boosting to fly and then diving-- your opponent'll be back on their feet by the time you get to fire again! Type-1 gives an actionless answer to that problem, as well as giving wiggle-room for getting and staying in the air in situations where you might not be able to Boost in general.

[real estuary]

Hi gang! Big fan of the LCP, i've been scratching my head over a Sierra build and was wondering if i could get some clarification on intended design?

Specifically im looking at the Squad trait and trying to wrap my head around whether i should be considering the mech a size 4 or a size 1/2 for certain mechanics

Given that the trait specifically calls out grappling and ramming being when you should treat the mech as size 1/2, am i right in intuiting that every other size consideration should have it as size 4?

Like for, say, Engagement?

Would an NPC mech be forced to stop when rocking up next to me and the squad

Im also curious how things like adjacency, threat, and Burst is treated when hostile characters are in spaces occupied by the sierra

Would a burst 1 attack hit characters standing on top of the Sierra?

[silver flicker]

respectively for each post
yes, yes, yes, yes
it doesn't specify otherwise so you would treat it as Size 4 for everything other than Grapple and Ram
Your own spaces are like, "Range 0" which is in range for every range, including bursts

[autumn stag]

NYYYYOOOOOooooooommm

[real estuary]

does that mean they're also height 4 for stuff like cover?

[stoic basin]

no, they should only count as size 1/2 tall

and yea, galius is right on, although we're probably going to also change it to count as size 1/2 for systems too, just so you can't cheese things like mule harness

also, before we forget: given all the feedback we've received, there's a couple of nerfs we need to make: namely, the tritton is losing -2 hp and -1 hc, and the cambion's spell lash is losing seeking

[arctic kindle]

Yeah with 14 bulk I can see why you'd want to bring it down to 12. And 6 heat cap is respectable.

Like, 14 bulk is.. Drake levels, isn't it?

[fringe nacelle]

That i think is a problem with the squad NPC Trait too, which gives me a very amusing image of squad soldiers stacking up on each other to aim over an apartment block

[turbid field]

Especially when they can just breach and clear the apartment and all fire from the windows.

[fringe nacelle]

Quick little bug report, but the tooltip on the Zephyros's Hull readout says the Sumatra instead of the Zephyros

[real estuary]

Oh god i kinda want to roll with that though that sounds hilarious

Thank you for all your answers! I'm quite confident in my plans now. Im playing in my first No Room For A Wallflower campaign as a Sniper lancer's bondmate/spotter and i've been musing over how well the Squad trait lets you maintain adjacency for Bonded and Spotter without interfering with the Sniper's ability to reposition and letting you still get good Lock On range

[eternal pike]

i'm pretty sure it specifies they count as a squad of size 1/2 characters

[real estuary]

Yes, but the ambiguity comes from the total size being 4, which according to normal size rules also applies to your mech's height, and the fact that the Squad trait only mentions being counted as 1/2 for Ram and Grapple actions

[eternal pike]

fair

[real estuary]

The Squad trait could probably be updated to include 'cover height' alongside ram and grapple in the text

[stoic basin]

also, for a rewording of the squad trait, would this work?

The Sierra is made up of a squad of combat subalterns, Size 1/2 in height, and counts as such for systems, Grappling, and Ramming. . . .```

[random topaz]

I think that works, aye

actually - I might suggest one adjustment instead:

The Sierra is made up of a squad of combat subalterns, counting as Size 1/2 for line of sight, using cover, systems, Grapple and Ram.

[real estuary]

Looks good to me! Means we get to use atlas 1 to zipline all our subaltern buddies across the map lol

[stoic basin]

that's perfect! mind if we steal that?

[random topaz]

of course, steal away

[silver flicker]

IMI

if you think about it

is almost a funny noise

[stoic basin]

it's true,,,,,

[snow fiber]

You guys don't call it "E-ME"?

[silver flicker]

we pronounce it "IME" like "bin me"

(the b and n are silent)

[fringe nacelle]

I just pronounce it as "Eye-Emm-Eye"

[fickle tapir]

Remind me - What is the likelihood/possibility of the ability of an evacuation of the people of Ilea ? How possible is that? i know we've talked about it some, but how proable are the descents/people of ilea being able to relocate or begin to slowly rebuild somewhere else/ get to escape from the grip of harrison armory?

[stoic basin]

alright, i think we've got the cambion's new core power figured out! we're gonna add this (and the other changes we've been working on) to the new lcp, which we're gonna start working on,,,, soon? maybe not today, but hopefully during this work week DAMN FULL TECH, 1 CP Choose a hostile character within line of sight and Sensors. They immediately take 1 Stress, rolling one more die on the overheating check, and must make any resulting Engineering Checks as Saves against your Save Target. Characters with only 1 Stress (or characters without a listed Stress, with 1 Structure and 7 HP or less) instead suffer an irreversible meltdown. Characters that suffer a reactor meltdown additionally become Immobilized until the end of their next turn.

[stoic basin]

next to impossible, unfortunately-- it's not totally impossible, but you're talking about an entire planetary evacuation of,,,,,, actually we've never thought about how big ilea's population is

we will say that ilea has a fighting chance to break free of harrison's grip (that's what,,,, well, what we're planning the campaign that we haven't ever actually started working on is going to be about-- either with the party being union doj/hr, crack ilean pilots, or harrison deserters), but a full-scale evacuation of the ilean peoples would be tricky, not just logistically, but also bc ilea is waaaaaaaay tf out in the middle of nowhere

that's why harrison is so interested in it in the first place. they want ilea as a resupply/refueling stop for their ships as they pass through that empty, barren stretch of space to the other side

[random topaz]

i obviously can't speak for exact numbers or distances or whatever, but in terms of logistics: at the bare minimum, a worldly evacuation entails putting millions of people on sufficiently large starships for a multi-year (possibly decades) trip, and thats without factoring in A: finding a place to evacuate to and B: bringing/sending all the stuff necessary to resettle to begin with, which is still a staggering feat

you can't really just "pick up and go" when we're talking about the populations of entire planets. its a big reason why the crisis on Bo is such a huge one - their planet is good as dead, and yet there are five billion people still on it. they at least, being part of the Concern, have entrenched stellar infrastructure (including shipyards that have been running for unironic thousands of years) and sympathetics willing to offer those people a home; by comparison, I don't think Ilea has anything comparable, especially when it comes to ships

[fickle tapir]

Okay then lemme ask on the flip side

How likely is it to get squadrons, fleets, entire groups of skilled lancers and groups there to assist against harrison to turn the tide

Don't get me wrong it would be HARD but

[random topaz]

I couldn't say seeing I don't know the exact conditions of say, Ilea and their relation with the Union diaspora as a whole - i imagine squadrons and fleets are out of the question, both for logistic (middle of nowhere, would take forever to muster and arrive) reasons but also moralistic ones (Union especially would not intercede at gunpoint, and KTB getting involved would turn it into a nightmare scenario)

I imagine Ilea's support, if it came in any form, would probably be more covert and smaller scale, kinda similar to how Free Sanjak played out (and continues to play out, ultimately) - absolutely room for Lancers and agents and the like, but no overt military action. as pointed by sylv system above; DOH/HR, Legionnaire deserters, crack Ilean pilots. small teams making do.

hell, depending on things, I could see the UIB showing up as scary as that is

Albatross is also a potential

[stoic basin]

the doj/hr team would get there by hitching a ride on a volador ship, as part of the uib Calling In A Favor given their interests are aligned

[stoic basin]

we haven't actually considered this before, it might be fun to play with that some

[silver flicker]

leaving would also just mean like

leaving their home

[stoic basin]

exactly

it's one thing if, like, your planet is no longer hospitable and everyone needs to leave, it's another when you're being aggressed and people start planning on leaving, especially if everyone doesn't exactly want to

[vague fox]

Ok tbf Ilea is... Barely hospitable

Considering how botched the initial colonization effort was

[stoic basin]

most of those issues were on the part of the annabelle being as damaged as it was

is it a hard place to live? yes. is it a minor miracle that the first colonists survived past the first few generations? yes. but it's still a hospitable planet with lots of natural resources for anyone who can stand to get them

[quiet nymph]

I actually read a story about a planetary evacuation. The moon was falling. And even though the people helping them were literally wizards, it was still hard.

[vague fox]

Fair enough tbh

[stoic basin]

we. think that's it?

that should be it

[vague fox]

Ayyyy

[stoic basin]

yea, that should be it

updated itch too

[eternal pike]

ooooh updatey

[silver flicker]

it's also
🗒️ <w<

w> 📖
their home

there's a lotta cultural and personal weight to Your Home

especially Your Home Planet

especially Your Home Planet Your Family Has Been On For Generations

[vague fox]

Yeag

[silver flicker]

we'd also be reluctant to just cede it to The Bruise!

[vague fox]

Tbh HA in general doesn't sound like it treats planets it annexes very well either

At least when things get violent (they always do)

[silver flicker]

which, is why they're fighting HA

[random topaz]

they really don't tbh, but Ilea's case (if I recall) is an especially violent one seeing nukes are involved so that genie is pretty much out the bottle

HA ironically ends up treating the worlds in the Purview pretty damn well for an expansionist, imperialist power; the problems instead stem from the many strings that are often attached to such an agreement ... and, what happens if you don't agree.

Ilea, in essence, is having a situation much like the one that sparked on New Madrassa - not in terms of exact circumstances, but in how the Armory is operating. Largely, what this means is using ongoing violence for the justification of further Armory presence - it is, on documents, a "peacekeeping" effort. But the dramatic escalation of violence has basically led to all pretense of this falling about; On Ilea, its a full blown war. On New Madrassa, they sent Battlegroups as alliances are tried and the entire sector destabilizes.

(also if I remember stuff from old sylv system notes the whole thing was basically an internal fuck up on HA's part where the diplomatic teams could of got somewhere if some commander didn't decide to stroke their ego and deploy a "honorguard" as a display. but thats just from my memory and might be changed at this point)

[vague fox]

oof

[real estuary]

Are there patch notes?

My group is arguing over the new Cambion core power lol

[stoic basin]

spell lash lost seeking, cambion got a new core power (which tbh we aren't 100% sure about but we definitely think it's better than the last one), tritton lost 2 hp and 1 hc, foehn lost 2 hp and gained 1 repcap, and other miscellaneous stuff from the doc we just got around to updating

[real estuary]

Interesting

[fickle tapir]

yea thats what i imagine too

[spring swan]

cambion is a personal fav mech of mine but i dunno if this fits

oh shit im so late on this

hi :D sorry to bother y'all

[stoic basin]

it's k!

tbh, we'd been on the fence about the former core power for,,,, a long while? it felt like it was better to just make a clean break and start with something new, instead of trying to fiddle with it more

we do wanna hear your thoughts on this, tho

[spring swan]

ok SO a few ideas

1: all heat dealt by tech actions becomes burn, i just find this one amusing

2: spell lash is fired twice, or maybe becomes a Blast area that invades everyone in the area

3: Immediately change your Sensor range to 15. For the rest of the scene, when you hit a character with a tech attack, you may deal Burn equal to the side of your Infernal Influence die. After using this ability, reduce the size of the die by 1. A character can only take burn from this effect 1/round.

thoughts on this version tho...

I feel like unless you have other heatgunners, this is either Power Word Kill + you explode (which I love) or you just structure someone once in a special secret way most people cant affect (since hostiles usually dont take self heat)

I do love the instant immobilized reactor meltdown tho, especially on a goblin with puppet systems that shit funny

i think its neat but very situational

[fickle tapir]

I got to keep an eye out for additional lore documents for ilea, I would love to write/run like a few short games to run out the preventation of harrison long enough to get some bigger players in there

[weary pier]

made a token for a coromuel

[stoic basin]

omg, that looks absolutely incredible!!!!

[weary pier]

a second vers with a halo for the true angelic experience

[stoic basin]

beautiful 😌

[weary pier]

i think the Coro is one of my favorite IMI chassis, and that isn't only because the fluff for the Nemesis NHP is cool as heck

[fringe nacelle]

I piloted the Coromuel once and it was a lot of fun

I'm currently piloting a zephyros (?) and inflicting 1 bazillion knockback

[stoic basin]

our brain feels like we've put it in one of those hydraulic presses, but we've been thinking more about spirituality on ilea a lot recently and wanted to get whatever we could about it down

While Ilea lacks any major religion, the average Ilean has, by and large, a propensity for animist spirituality and superstition; though an Ilean might only worship a few gods, they often recognize any number of others in their walk of life. There might be a god for any number of things: a library might have a patron god of knowledge, a factory's workers guided and watched over by its god of careful and calculated work, a network server hosting a video game might fall victim to its god becoming distracted by it and crash. 

A traditional Ilean household is built around a set of married partners and their household god, who is typically drawn up from, a product of, or a literal child of those partners' original household gods, who then looks over that partnership and their household and children. 

Religious self-mutilation (not including scarification, which is often treated similarly to tattooing) is uncommon on Ilea, though it remains a common practice among Annabellean cultists in Anstonite populations. Among the Annabellean cults that practice it, it is often partaken upon one's confirmation into the cult, with the part of their body (typically a finger, eye, ear, or one's nose) cast off being both an offering to the Annabelle and homage to the first Ileans who were borne by her. 

While atheists on Ilea do not face religious persecution per se, they are often met with confusion and casual exclusion by their peers; atheists are often depicted in media as being shifty, untrustworthy, recalcitrant, or antisocial, though actual atheists on Ilea are often just as any other person, if understandably cagier about their lack of religiosity for fear of being stereotyped.```

def. gonna write more for this but like. it's A Start™️

these are tendons for more connective tissue to fill in between later, i guess

[fringe nacelle]

is there a patron god of HARRISON CAN GET F*CKED

[echo fox]

are you planning on making any retrograde minis?

[hollow nexus]

I thought there were some in the 3rd party section?

Coromuel is in Custom>Homebrew

Doesn't seem like theres any other ATM though

[echo fox]

so there is

i guess i'm just blind

[hollow nexus]

Breaking my brain apart trying to manifest an Ostria mini

[fringe nacelle]

that was commissioned by someone else i think, not Sylvania

[hollow nexus]

Yeah makes sense

[fringe nacelle]

the token here ( #1139694225932439584 message ) was commissioned by @frigid steppe ( #1139694225932439584 message )

@echo fox let me know if that answers your question

[frigid steppe]

I have been summoned

[hollow nexus]

Hewwo

[frigid steppe]

[hollow nexus]

Yay pats

This is the only channel I get notifs from, server too big

Makes me sad honestly

Anyways I have a player who is dying to play the Tritton and I am afraid

[echo fox]

it does thanks

[vague fox]

I did bash an Ostria together but it's not a 1:1

ah

found it

[hollow nexus]

OwO

That's cool

[vague fox]

it's also on retrograde in the chop shop

also this is the one I used to murder an ultra :)

[spark lynx]

-- GMS SIERRA @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  HA Gilgamesh 3, HORUS Balor 2, HORUS Hydra 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Superior by Design, Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ TALENTS ]
  Centimane 3, Drone Commander 3, Leader 2, Field Analyst 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:21 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:11 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:8 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
  HEAVY MOUNT: Legion Nexus // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Armament Redundancy, PUPPETMASTER, Hive Drone, Hive Drone, Personalizations``` Felt like fiddling around a bit with IMI, and came up with this.

[spring swan]

in terms of flavor i think assassin drones fit better then hive drones

thats just me tho

[stone sphinx]

so if i hit someone with the Spell Lash the sensors goes to 7 and i chose to apply an invade does it still need to do a tech attack? and if it hits does the sensor goes to 9?

[gusty flame]

Hello! A player's suggested allowing IMI for the next game (they're specifically interested in the Ostria) and it all looks pretty balanced to me at a first glance, but I just wanted to check if anyone else has noticed any weird or potentially problematic interactions with newer official content or other popular homebrew to look out for. For reference, we're currently using all published content, Enhanced Combat, and Suldan.

one issue i could ppotentially see off the top of my head is Defensive Reconstruction on a Hecatoncheires

[silver flicker]

jussst a general heads up that mixing homebrew is generally ill-advised

[stoic basin]

it doesn't need to do a tech attack, since it did a melee attack instead; its sensors only go up to 7

[stoic basin]

tbh, we haven't had a chance to look at any possible interactions between imi and sotw stuff yet, and we're pretty sure it works fine with suldan, but full honesty: imi is not and will not be balanced with any of ralf ziegler's work in mind, regardless of if it's first- or third-party

[gusty flame]

yeah i generally only allow licenses from a single homebrew per player, but there is interplay between different players to keep in mind, and sometimes i like to give out exotics or reserves from across different sources

[stone sphinx]

so Spell lash applies the 2 heat and one invade options if it chooses to invade?

[stoic basin]

yep!

[signal meadow]

I apologize if this is the wrong place to say this but I really really REALLY like this homebrew. I havent looked through many homebrew expansions for Lancer but of the ones I have seen it is by far my favorite and I love it very much. Thank you 🩷

[gusty flame]

I think IMI might have my favourite art of any third party release tbh

[mint ruin]

Guys is it just more or is the Google doc for modern industrial broken? Really wanted to download it.

[stoic basin]

it's working for us

[mint ruin]

Really? Because I can't download it at all, doesn't even fully open for me. And it used to work perfectly earlier.

[stoic basin]

here

[mint ruin]

Yup that works! Thank you so much sylvania, I really appreciate it.

[stoic basin]

[stone sphinx]

does this follow you?

[stiff burrow]

looks like it

[stone sphinx]

aowh

[fringe nacelle]

It just says it's initially centered on you. There's no clause to keep it following you. But I could be wrong.

[hollow nexus]

I believe the rules state that a Burst follows you unless specified.

[fringe nacelle]

Right

[gusty flame]

is it intended that none of the Ostria's weapons have Threat? it's weird to see a shotgun and a weapon that wants to make reaction attacks only have range

[stoic basin]

yep, that's intentional

[fringe nacelle]

if you aint barrelstuffing you aint ostria'ing

[eternal pike]

its intended location relative to enemies is directly on top of them

[vague fox]

Combined Arms 2 is kinda just

Required on Ostria

[vague fox]

@stoic basin is this intended to be a Quick Action...? If so it doesn't appear to have that action type listed there

[silver flicker]

the action there is just listed as a quick action

[stoic basin]

ah butts

we'll check that out tonight

[stoic basin]

it is a quick action, yes

[vague fox]

Idk if this is very effective but it is funny

-- IMI FOEHN @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  IMI FOEHN 2, IPS-N Blackbeard 2, IPS-N Tortuga 1, SSC White Witch 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Fomorian Frame, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
  Duelist 3, Juggernaut 3, Ace 2, Executioner 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:21 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:7 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Ferrofluid Lance
  HEAVY MOUNT: Nanocarbon Sword // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Armament Redundancy, Personalizations, Siege Ram, Low Explosive Charges x4, Reactive Core Reinforcements, Pinning Spire, Pinning Spire

Charge into someone, knock them over, then pop core and throw them

[fringe nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-lion-king-simba-rafiki-throw-gif-16194362

[scenic crow]

So I never did a trip report of how piloting the Yi-Sun at ll2 went, I now realize. The answer: I felt kinda afraid to use the nailgun at all, and had trouble getting in range of mechs with the impact lance. (this was on the first tacmap for winter scar)
Most of what I ended up doing that game was firing the HMG over and over and hoping something would fall into my snares which didn't happen.

The only time I remember using the impact lance was when an enemy flyer unit flew in range of it to try and get me

(should also note I've only played like 3 sessions of lancer total lol)

[vague fox]

The tools that come in the Vlad kit are built to either harass enemies or for you to directly push them into said tools by grappling

[scenic crow]

I didn't really know about grappling rules when I played this thing. But I felt excruciatingly slow in the mech at ll2

I couldn't get close enough to use its tools was the issue

[vague fox]

Also uh

What were the enemies in that sitrep

Generally you don't want to target an Ace with a CQB frame

Also yeah you'd want to make at least some agility investment (I know that you generally shouldn't but this is a frame that wants it) and engineering investment

Reminder that it has 12 HP from the get-go and 5 repcap, so you can afford to take a few hits with it

Also I know you're at LL2 but consider the White Witch license gear once you hit the next LL if you don't want the charged stake (which is honestly pretty great) or combat drill (pretty risky on a frame with a base heat cap of 4))

[silver flicker]

(I know that you generally shouldn't
the advice is generally against agimaxxing not investing in agility at all

particularly on slow frames that already have a lot of HP, putting 2 points into Agility is going to significantly boost their maneuverability

[vague fox]

Yeah sorry

Should've clarified on that

[scenic crow]

this was the first tacmap for Operation Winter Scar

I spent most of the fight walking through a minefield + inching up with my hmg

that game was originally going to be a full campaign, but dissolved after the first mission due to scheduling nonsense happening. So I only have experience with that map + yi-sun mk2

I was constantly worried I'd get domed for 4 heat by one of the hacker npc mechs on the map

yi sun just doesn't have the heat cap (from what I looked at & had been informed exists regarding enemies cooking your mech) to use the nailgun or combat drill without obliterating yourself with 1 bad defensive roll

[cedar stag]

passing along a question from a player; is the CQC mod's bonus damage supposed to be on hit, or does it work on Reliable?

[quiet nymph]

I don't think you can add bonus damage to reliable.

The only things that increase reliable damage specifically say they do so like the Legionnaire Rifle, or general damage increases like Exposed or the Emperor's Condemnation.

[cedar stag]

that would be my assumption, but bonus damage and reliable don't actually say that and the mod doesn't say 'on hit', thus the player's question.

[vague fox]

I'd personally rule it as an on-hit effect since bonus damage isn't ever applied to reliable

I think(?)

[cedar stag]

all corebook bonus damage is templated as an 'on hit' effect of some sort, is why.

this is probably meant to be the case here but I do need to ask.

[scenic crow]

Does this core power's second half work the way I think it does with crack shot (or other self immobilizing things)?

[quiet nymph]

I'm pretty sure it does, and that's part of the point.

It's hilarious with the Saladin shields.

[scenic crow]

the hard part: figuring out which 3 licenses to take to use with riffle

[stoic basin]

yes, if you're in a speed 6 frame with that core power and you're immobilized, you can still move up to 3 spaces

[scenic crow]

bc I have been workshopping a dusk wing that has a combo of Ace, crack shot, and skirmisher to be a right monster

[autumn stag]

This
This is why I love IMI
-# also the cambion, that thing's got a freaky vibe and I love it

[stoic basin]

coming back to this to say that you do count as slowed with this core power when immobilized-- we might change the wording to clear that up

going back to that example, you can still move up to 3 spaces, but cannot benefit from extra movement from skirmisher 2 or jk1 or the like

[scenic crow]

Yeah, a friend of mine cleared that up, as I was misremembering what slowed did

[quiet nymph]

It does still mean you don't fall while shooting crack.

[scenic crow]

And that's honestly the main reason I wanted it. (However I was struggling to pick licenses)

[quiet nymph]

Isn't there one that has an Aux rifle?

[fringe nacelle]

foehn i believe has the aux rifle

[quiet nymph]

Yeah, pick up the Foehn.

[scenic crow]

The self heat on it feels like a gamble on dusk wing tho, alongside it's shorter range being an issue when trying to find a vantage point

[scenic crow]

(4 base heat cap scary)

[quiet nymph]

Ehh, you've got 6 base speed. You can invest in Hull and Engineering.

[clear lantern]

yeah the aux on that thing is pretty good. also its got a hilarious corepower if you want to yeet someone

[scenic crow]

I was already investing in systems for tech attack + edef (2h/4s/2e)

[quiet nymph]

There's not that many options for Aux rifles, though.

[quiet nymph]

Does Ostria's Peregrine Dive work with Hunter 1's flying lunge?

[scenic crow]

Yeah, I mostly just like crack shotting with the veil rifle and causing Problems for the GM when I crit someone

[fresh epoch]

hey! is there some way i could get in touch with you or the artist behind the Yi Sun Shin MK II?

(or both of yall!)

[stoic basin]

@fathom idol

[fresh epoch]

Thank yoou

[lavish niche]

I have a question about the Cambion! Does the spell lash on hit "apply the effects of a Quick Tech without making a Tech Attack or Save" or is it "may automatically target them with a Quick Tech as a reaction" ?

[stoic basin]

ah, shit

the document is always the most current version of imi, so it should be the first

we miss things sometimes doing lcp updates, sorry

[hollow needle]

I'll be playing the Sierra later tonight, and I was looking into a Controller/Support playstyle, what is some funny stuff you can with that? I don't have the exact build on me right now, but at LL0 I started out with +2 in Eng, Drone Commander, Prospector and Field Analyst for talents, and Hex Charges, Perso., Turret Drones and Micromaintenance Suite (Crisis Core) for Systems

[silver flicker]

-# oh heads up IMI isn't designed to be compatible w/ dustgrave

[scenic crow]

Wait it wasn't?

[silver flicker]

yeah it's not designed to be dustgrave compatible

you can run them in the same campaign but it's like running things from two different pieces of homebrew

[silver flicker]

which we guess you're doing anyways but y'know

[wet gale]

Something funny, some time ago I made an entire IPS-N license based on the Sierra, how I really liked the concept and how it played when I used it in a One-shot.

So I wish you the best of luck when you try it.

[hollow needle]

we are relativly lax with homebrew, apart from not being allowed to use two different homebrews at the same time (apart from GMS Crisis Core, which we can combine with anything). Prospector isn't really needed for my build, hence why I was looking for direction here, I just thought it was funny to place an entire crater on the map. I'll check with my DM if they would have an issue with that. Apart from that, since the Sierra already has innate Drones, does it work well with the whole Lock-On, Drone Commander, Centimane direction?

[silver flicker]

sure, seems fine to us

it works

[lavish niche]

so just to follow up, you can choose to affect a target and treat it as if they failed their saving throw? for example, hurl into the duat: does it just, for free, force this to happen no save at all?

oh wait quick Tech Attack i see it now

[silver flicker]

we mean, you have to hit with Spell Lash

[shy briar]

What's the naming convention for IMI? Wind?

[stoic basin]

yep, the names of different winds

[shy briar]

Can you attack a different target with the Cierzo's flechette rifle or do you lose volley stacks before you fire?

[stoic basin]

oh, good question

right now it's currently just "on attack", which would probably mean instantly, before you fire

[shy briar]

in that case I'm kind of questioning the use of the gun? Being able to switch targets might be too strong but other than the biggest of bosses I question what you would need to focus fire on three consecutive turns in a row and still need the damage for. against the vast majority of targets it seems to be either weaker than other heavies or it will be dead before it gets to fire.
I guess it might not be as bad as I thought, comparing it to the antimat rifle at one stack it's 2 extra damage + reliable and not loading/ordinance with is quite good but still you have to hit them with something else first so they're already softened.

still it seems pretty situational

[quiet nymph]

What you do is attack + Heavy Gunner 2 the target. That gets you two stacks.

Hypothetically. I haven't played an Iridia frame.

Tactician 3 would work as well.

[shy briar]

I don't see how you could? the only gun you could HG with is the flechette gun itself, but you would just be shooting with 1 stack for half damage.

[quiet nymph]

Wait, do you lose stacks when you attack a different character with any weapon at all?

[shy briar]

yes

it's you attack the same target with other weapons to get stacks, then use it consume the stacks to do big damage

[quiet nymph]

Basically, you're spending the other quick to be able to get to 3d6+2 reliable 4 in one round rather than 2.

[stoic basin]

no, only if you attack a different target with the flechette gun

[shy briar]

oh I think I misread it

I see now

[quiet nymph]

Okay.

[shy briar]

i thought it was like the Sherman where the idea is to build stacks then burn them

[quiet nymph]

Because it says "All volley counters are lost when you attack a different character." in the LCP.

[stoic basin]

ah, oops. we should have probably made that more obvious

[shy briar]

I think the key that mislead me is the wording of fusillade, since it says "this doens't increase or reset the stacks" which gave me the impression that it consumes the stacks to fire and I missed that you get stacks only by hitting things with it

[quiet nymph]

Oh wait, you only get stacks 1/round.

[shy briar]

also yeah, it's only once a round. I guess you could use HG/flank for redundancy in case you miss, but flank seems less useful since in that case since your team is already focus firing the enemy it probably won't last long

My other question for the frame is about the hover platform. It says it's a piece of hard cover, but does that just mean it's an object or does it actually give you hard cover from those in front of you by standing on it, or is that only if you're hanging off the side somehow? And if it's destroyed do you immediately fall?

[unreal yew]

Ah, the constant confusion of Iridia and IMI, haha.

[shy briar]

I haven't looked at Iridia yet, is it good?

[unreal yew]

I am heavily biased. 😛

[shy briar]

oh I see you're the creator lol

[stoic basin]

on if they're directly below you, but it's intended to be something you stand next to or behind to for cover-- it's intended to be just a floating size 1 piece of terrain that you can use as cover or stand on (or grab onto the side of it, for something like a death's head with mag-clamps)

you should immediately fall if it's destroyed, the same way that you would immediately fall if the terrain you'd mag-clamped onto was destroyed

[shy briar]

Oh I see. I was confused because it's called a hover "platform" it's intent was to be stood on so you don't need to fly, which I guess you could do but I had the shape wrong in my mind it's more meant to be floating Jerhico.

[stoic basin]

yep

[quiet nymph]

Here's my thought for a Cierzo.

-- IMI CIERZO @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  HA Sherman 2, HA Saladin 1, IMI CIERZO 2, IMI SUMATRA 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Heatfall Coolant System, AFTERBURNER EXHAUST OVERCLOCK
[ TALENTS ]
  Technophile 3, Tactician 2, Black Thumb 2, Heavy Gunner 1, Crack Shot 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:21 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:9 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:4 EVA:10 EDEF:7 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: 22/1 Flechette Rifle
  MAIN MOUNT: Assault Rifle
  FLEX MOUNT: QEA-Type DMR
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Enlightenment-Class NHP, Redundant Systems Upgrade x3, ENCLAVE-Pattern Support Shield, Personalizations, Counter-Hostile Chaff Launcher x4

Heatfall Technothumb.

[stoic basin]

[shy briar]

lol enclave while flying seems hillarious

why afterburner and not Evasive maneuvering mods? that core seems extremely good?

[quiet nymph]

I figured heat clear would be important. But gaining cover against tech attacks is also a good idea.

Wait, better idea.

I could use Unicomp.

That would let me take something better than Sumatra.

[shy briar]

oh yeah on an efficient system that would be good

why not cierzo 3?

I'm not clear on the technophile though

[quiet nymph]

-- IMI CIERZO @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  HA Sherman 3, HA Saladin 1, IMI CIERZO 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Heatfall Coolant System, Universal Compatibility
[ TALENTS ]
  Technophile 3, Tactician 3, Black Thumb 2, Crack Shot 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:9 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:4 EVA:10 EDEF:7 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: 22/1 Flechette Rifle
  MAIN MOUNT: Assault Rifle
  FLEX MOUNT: QEA-Type DMR
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Enlightenment-Class NHP, Redundant Systems Upgrade x3, ENCLAVE-Pattern Support Shield, ASURA-Class NHP x3

[quiet nymph]

There's a combo called "Technothumb". The Technophile 3 NHP lets it use your talents when it takes control. Black Thumb 2 lets you get out of your mech to clear its heat, 2 per turn.

[shy briar]

I see. so you take your turn rodeoing to clear 2 heat, while the AI takes your turn for you?

[quiet nymph]

Yep.

Anyway, Tactician 3 is here for another shot, and also because even half of AP reliable damage is still guaranteed damage.

Unicomp is there to clear heat and make a 3d6+2 shot at an unexpected enemy, while ASURA is ASURA.

[shy briar]

it's an interesting build, but kind of the whole reason I wanted to build a Cierzo was to fly while using crack shot so I might go for something more standard for crack shot 3

[quiet nymph]

There's another way to do Flying Crack Shot, and it's to take a flying frame (Sumatra, Foehn, Zephyros, Squamish, Dusk Wing, Taraxacum, or a frame with Type-3 Flight or ATMS) and give it Hyperlightweight Alloys.

[shy briar]

That's true. I could do that, although my beloved dusk wing is a little lacking in weapon slots for a pure damage role, and using type 3 flight on a tagates or something seems like a rather heavy investment in SP and a core power.

It does seem like Cierzo is supposed to be built for this niche so I figured I'd try to do it before exploring alternatives

[quiet nymph]

It is, but it's mainly built to use its built-in heavy.

Give a Foehn with Hyperlightweight Alloys a Legionnaire Battle Rifle, and profit.

-- IMI FOEHN @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  HA Gilgamesh 1, IMI FOEHN 2, IMI SUMATRA 1, HA Saladin 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  HYPERLIGHTWEIGHT ALLOY, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
  Tactician 3, Crack Shot 3, Heavy Gunner 3
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:21 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:10 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:7 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Assault Rifle
  HEAVY MOUNT: Legionnaire Battle Rifle // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
  ENCLAVE-Pattern Support Shield, Counter-Hostile Chaff Launcher x4, Thermal Shroud, Flash Anchor, Armament Redundancy, Emergency Repair Module x3

[shy briar]

What's the thought on Evasive maneuvering mods? Basically a permanent +1 difficulty to ranged attacks seems quite good, as well as removing anti-air. I don't know of any anti air that exists for it to counter but I assume there's something.

I guess it doesn't cover tech attacks but other than that it seems a little on the broken side unless I'm missing something?

[stoic basin]

it's meant to effectively give you soft cover while flying, since, unless you bring your own, it's difficult to find cover in the air

the engineer is the only npc that gains a bonus against flying characters, but we included it,,,, more or less just for shits and giggles

[hollow needle]

Question of clarification on the Sierra, it "counts as size 1/2 when ramming or grappling", does that mean it counts as such when it itself is initiating the grapple (or ram) or also when it's on the receiving end of one?

[stoic basin]

both

[hollow needle]

aye, thanks

[quiet nymph]

If the Sierra takes House Guard 2, can size 3 allies use it for hard cover?

[signal meadow]

Given it acts as size 1/2 for calculating LOS and using cover, I imagine the intent is that it wouldnt provide cover as a size 4

[hollow needle]

but since allies can effectively stand within you no problems, you become a B I G zone of soft cover

[stoic basin]

it works kind of similarly to if you had hog on a regular size 1/2 frame, where you can only provide hard cover to size 1/2s but have a big bubble of soft cover around you

think of the sierra as just a really really wide size 1/2, basically

[quiet nymph]

Bit of a shame. I was hoping for a human pyramid situation.

[vague fox]

insert the SCP femur breaker scream as I stretch a Napoleon across a size 4 area

[signal meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/metroman-gif-12769544636727506841

Foehn w/ Mule Harness

[clear lantern]

I mean........If projectile shaped why not projectile. Size 1/2 make for great rockets.

[subtle imp]

Anybody have any experience with the Yi-Sun-Shin Mk2? I'm about to be running one and was wondering if there was any advice anyone could give me.

[vague fox]

Put two points in agility ASAP

And also mind the heat cap

[subtle imp]

Already done on the first front. Planning to spec more into Engineering soon, because I don't relish the idea of melting down every time I overcharge.

[lavish niche]

👀

[lavish niche]

that name looks familiar

-notes down Vinca's low heatcap just in case- eh eh hoo hoo hee hee

(I'm running the game Vinca is using this in, for context)

[stoic basin]

ah, nice 😌

how's the yi-sun-shin been working for you all?

[subtle imp]

Haven't fielded it yet, maybe this coming Saturday.

But I'm hopeful!

[crystal vigil]

Is Tailwind meant to make "forced move to a location" effects slingshot the target past by moving them twice as far?

[stoic basin]

hmm

[stoic basin]

i don't think so? although that kind of edge case never really crossed our mind, tbth

[crystal vigil]

was wondering if it was an intended synergy with the HGK-type stave but I can see how that would get silly

[merry blaze]

So I was poking around learning how to make .SVG files so I can remake my own manufacturer's logo properly, and I noticed that the Ilean logo appears to have its color hardcoded and it's letting comp/con draw the white outline above the logo instead of beneath it

Are these details known/cared about?

[stoic basin]

those were not known about, and they are cared about!

[merry blaze]

also i don't know if this can be fixed easily but the pokey corners jutting out bothers me lol

[merry blaze]

how was the Ilean logo made originally?

[stoic basin]

i think it was just some online svg editor? we'd have to go looking tbth

[merry blaze]

mind if I try making some edits to the logo? I can get the file off the github page

[stoic basin]

sure!

[merry blaze]

obv without messing with anything that's currently in use

[merry blaze]

hmm. I've un-hardcoded the color, removed a lot of the metadata that wasn't doing anything, and made the file easier to read. I temporarily edited a version of one of my own .lcps to compare the edited logo with the original. Comp/con can do whatever it wants with the color now, but it's still drawing the border above the logo despite me explicitly setting it to not do that...

[merry blaze]

btw I have found an issue with the wording of Red Admiral's core passive; strictly rules as written it doesn't work at all because it's a reaction that grants you a different reaction, which you then can't take because you can't take two reactions in a turn and you used the core passive reaction first

nobody's going to interpret it that way bc the intent is obvious, but removing the "as a reaction" part from the end of its effect would fix the RAW function of it

[stoic basin]

ah, ty

[crystal vigil]

Sierra only takes 2 heat from Type-I Flight System, right? And can use MGMS zip lines?
Does it also lose all its movement when it enters engagement with literally anything?

[stoic basin]

yes, yes, and no, respectively

it counts as size 1/2 for the purposes of systems (such as type-1 flight and mgms), but has is size 4 for engagement and, well, size

[spark lynx]

The Sierra, to my understanding, is basically taking the Squad NPC and putting it in the Player's hands in the form of a Mech chassis of sorts.

[real estuary]

I like the Tritton hits post

Really feels like it hits the artillery fantasy more closely than the Barb ever could

It's simple, no frills, gives pertinent bonuses (arcing on any weapon for free is so versatile, comes in so clutch) with an actually impactful core power

[signal meadow]

What does "resistance to effects" in the Yi-Sun-Shin's core power mean? How does that work?

[stoic basin]

if there is an effect that does damage, you have resistance to it

[signal meadow]

I see I see thank you

[stoic basin]

👍

[signal meadow]

And is that specifically damage or is that intended to include heat/burn?

[stoic basin]

raw it's only damage, but yea we could consider adding heat and burn to that too

idk if we will, we're pretty happy with how the yss2 is rn

[signal meadow]

All good. I've got a player running it rn and it came up. They're a very big fan of the mech (as am I)

[stoic basin]

good 😌

[warm eagle]

You need to merge the shapes

CC draws a border around each shape in the SVG, so if your symbol is a bunch of overlapping triangles it will border each individual triangle

[merry blaze]

yea ik, i did that and it worked

in all my attempts tho i couldn't fix all the issues at once :(

[warm eagle]

It do be like that 😔

[real estuary]

I can't recall if this was ever asked before, but does the Sierra count as size 4 for the purposes of Prospector

Also, does directing the saboteur drones to boost/hide/perform a saboteur action cost you a quick action?

[wet gale]

Yep

[stoic basin]

imi is not designed to be used with dustgrave

[real estuary]

that's understandable

[silver flicker]

the #1139694225932439584 homebrew forum thread

oh it actually made a channel link

[marble garnet]

Hey, I’m struggling to figure out the idea behind how exactly one would build a Foehn. Any suggestions?

[signal meadow]

This is what I used when I ran it

[ LICENSES ]
  IMI FOEHN 3, IMI CIERZO 2, IMI SUMATRA 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  AFTERBURNER EXHAUST OVERCLOCK, DEFENSIVE RECONSTRUCTION
[ TALENTS ]
  Technophile 3, Black Thumb 2, Nuclear Cavalier 2, Engineer 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:10 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:7 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Prototype Weapon II
  FLEX MOUNT: Assault Rifle
  HEAVY MOUNT: Disruption Howitzer (Autocycle Mod)
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Counter-Hostile Chaff Launcher x4, Thermal Shroud, Reactive Core Reinforcements, Enlightenment-Class NHP, Armament Redundancy, Personalizations```

My table decided Foehn being able to deploy drones directly into its shock drop bays was fair game - if your table does the same you could do a sorta fun drone build where you deploy them in your bays and then punt them out into the field

The weapons in its license are a lil dissapointing imo but it more than makes up for that with like, everything else

@marble garnet

[marble garnet]

Drones are a clever idea, I like that

[clear lantern]

I don't have the specs for it but one of my players built his around being long range artillery support for a group of size 1/2 mechs and he was a menace because his opening move would be to launch the caliban into a group of enemies and then stay at distance and just shell things while the rest of the group moved in.

[spark lynx]

Launching the Caliban using a mech-integrated catapult is some definite "That is a weapon, not a teleporter" energy.

[clear lantern]

The other option would be to fling an Auric Range Blue Doctor at the problem and...........that was significantly more messy. And since they were town heroes slinging what equates to a biological nano war crime at people is not good for the public image lol

[wet gale]

A question.

The SQUAMISH Appears without core passive or core active in comp/con V3

[stoic basin]

😩

[vale galleon]

Came here to ask the same thing, what is the core?