#Field Guide To Liminal Space

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karmic gull
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You slap them for 1 damage no matter what, so your wrist gun always hits for 3

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And you can still give it bonus damage

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Celeste and Atlas or Caliban, shaking hands.

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We love bullying mechs larger than us.

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(I still think Atlas should just count as Size 3 if its gameplay loop is going to involve ramming, but hey maybe I'm biased)

empty kraken
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Internally she gets on well with HOLIDAY & FRANKENSTEIN levels

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Your friend might also want to look at HOLIDAY if only for the Wristgun alone

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I'll give it a quick peek!

empty kraken
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(Depending on if they want any of the core bonuses ofc but I do stand by them)

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Oh also, what are the little orange gizmos on the Celeste there?

empty kraken
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That's her Bermuda. She can run, jump, skim over water etc

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Oh that's convenient. I'm gonna definitely have to give MO&S more close looks. So far I've been trying to comb the other two, but I've yet to dig my teeth into that company yet.

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I'll be sure to ask you some questions on specific design intentions as I go through!

empty kraken
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My sorrow is neverending

karmic gull
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I love rasputin

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Thats grandma

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empty kraken
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Razzie our beloved accidental mascot

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Its so silly!

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I hired this thing to waddle at you!

empty kraken
karmic gull
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Shes a really solid objective player

empty kraken
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Indeed~

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The math I had to do on her t_t

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Also, question: Canon depictions or no, how large do you personally interpret mechs of each classification to generally be?

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Because I always feel like size 1 mechs should be a bit bigger than their canon depiction

empty kraken
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Literally had NASA engineers double checking the Repair math

empty kraken
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I HAVE ODD FRIENDSHIPS

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The Rasputin feels like such a parody of a mech and I kinda love it for that.

karmic gull
empty kraken
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Is it bad that the first thing I thought was "imagine a blackbeard just rotated it on its side and walked away"

empty kraken
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[Rolling with malicious intent]

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Rasputin begins rolling like an egg:

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The enemy squad:

rain tinsel
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Yeah Rasputin is just a funny little guy.

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It has so much meme potential

empty kraken
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Frankie is a decent platform for shotties but her kit is all melee

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THAT SAID

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She gets harder the kill the more she's dying

barren pendant
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She also gets very scary if ignored.

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There isn't really a 'good' option vs the Frankie. If you're beating on her, she's getting tougher. If you're ignoring her, she's getting stabbier.

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Very D&D 4e 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' defender

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While its been great, I need to head off! Thank you both for answering questions, its been very helpful!

barren pendant
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It's 2am here, I should likely be asleep myself

empty kraken
empty kraken
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I have more hull than you

karmic gull
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Intentionally structuring myself as a rasputin at the end of a mission so I leave the outermost shell behind for local punks to start a skate park with

empty kraken
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wheeze

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...No, PHOENIX wouldn't help Kelth's friend

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Shame, she's fun

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"Does this frame have sensors?"

"No, but it has windows and you have a neck that can fucking turn."

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(In exchange you're the only Artillery looking at Ronins like "deflect me, see what happens.")

lapis sphinx
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Yeah, I had that with the Naan in my homebrew. It had an integrated weapon that was central to its identity, and then I couldn't come up with any licensed gear that fit it, so it had to die.

empty kraken
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It's kinda her thing

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Mixed-bar damage & I Can Tank It

errant prism
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any reccomendations for an LL3 build for the Houdini? gonna try it out for the first time tuesday in a oneshot and looking for some tips for the build

lapis sphinx
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This is my first thought.

-- MOI HOUDINI @ LL3 --
[ LICENSES ]
  IPS-N Nelson 1, MOI HOUDINI 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
  Spaceborn 3, Infiltrator 3
[ STATS ]
  HULL:3 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:16 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:7 REPAIR:4
  TECH ATK:+2 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:12 SENSE:10 SAVE:12
[ WEAPONS ]
  MAIN MOUNT: War Pike // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Armament Redundancy, Personalizations, Blackstone Systems Upgrade, Bulwark Mods, Devant System Upgrade, Illusion Charges x4
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Your standard tactic will be the Infiltrator hide loop, but you've also got control and support options.

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Hide looping, like OC looping, is a fragile and centralizing tactic that leaves your friends more exposed, so don't rely on it too much. Hull and Engineering investment means you can afford to be out in the open some turns.

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War Puke is good because it's got extra reach and knockback, and unlocks Bulwark mods as well.

barren pendant
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War Puke: Terrifying.

lapis sphinx
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lmao fuck

barren pendant
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To be fair: That's just 'a gluttony build'

karmic gull
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Morbol

lapis sphinx
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I'm thinking about how the Wrath is probably the book's equivalent of the Everest. It's like the Metalmark, Pegasus, and Gilgamesh.

lapis sphinx
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Wait, why the fuck is the Gluttony so fast?

-- DOWNFALL GLUTTONY @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  SSC Metalmark 1, HA Iskander 1, HA Sunzi 1, HA Gilgamesh 1, DOWNFALL GLUTTONY 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Integrated Ammo Feeds
[ TALENTS ]
  Demolitionist 3, Heavy Gunner 3, Skirmisher 2, Walking Armory 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:23 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:10 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+4
  SPD:5 EVA:8 EDEF:8 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  MAIN MOUNT: Heartburn Cannon
  FLEX MOUNT: Stub Cannon / Stub Cannon
  HEAVY MOUNT: Legionnaire Battle Rifle // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Blink Charges x7, Flash Charges x6, Reactive Weave, Emergency Repair Module x5, Armament Redundancy, Personalizations
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lapis sphinx
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But yeah, this has the classic Flash Grenade/Demolitionist/LBR Heavy Gunner combo, which also gives it the ERM/Reactive Weave combo. It can eat Stub Cannons and the Ammo Case.

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But I thought for sure I'd need to invest in Agility. :V

oak trench
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[ LICENSES ]
  MOI PTOLEMY 2, HORUS Goblin 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  The Lesson of the Held Image
[ TALENTS ]
  Crack Shot 3, PEN TESTING 3, Spotter 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:3 ENGI:0
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:21 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:+4 LIMITED:+0
  SPD:5 EVA:6 EDEF:15 SENSE:20 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Autopod
  MAIN MOUNT: Assault Rifle
  HEAVY MOUNT: Precision Plasma Channel
[ SYSTEMS ]
  OSIRIS-Class NHP, H0R_OS System Upgrade I, H0R_OS System Upgrade II, Personalizations```
how's this looking boys
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pen testing for reference

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We got a lot of damage on our team so I threw this together more or less as a longer ranged support

lapis sphinx
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Has anyone made an Impact Lance Nimue?

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"Eat your heart out, Tokugawa!" attacks in a cc_aoe_line 15

olive wedge
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Very thankful for Liminal Space's lore
I've had its foundries as canon to "my" Lancer for a while
And now I'm kinda evolving parts of it to take on more complex shapes for my purposes
Campaign I'm starting soon has MO&S having a rivalry with a corporation of my making: Yggdrasil Cooperative
The agricultural backbone of Union, born on Sparr, and heavy presence in the Alhena system, where my new campaign takes place.
YGDC sucks when it comes to human rights. Awful awful worker contracts
That's where MO&S came in!
All this was sparked by me making a Zahhak pilot who was saved by MO&S, and once I came up with YGDC I decided that's where she had worked.
So thanks for all the inspiration!

barren pendant
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@empty kraken will love this.

empty kraken
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Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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I am BASKING

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RIP MO&S's budget beefing with other corps is expensive

olive wedge
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the good news is that generally when they beef with YGDC they get more workers

keen atlas
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They have to pay those, and are all moral about it

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Expensive beef

tacit heath
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Say, the Gluttony's Flash Printers: I presume it does not remove the mech character if it isn't actually destroyed

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But does it eat whatever was blown off?

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1/round, when a mech character within the Gluttony's Sensors and line of sight takes structure damage or is destroyed, or when a wreck within Sensors and line of sight is destroyed, the Gluttony may consume it. If it does, the Gluttony or one adjacent allied character regains 1 charge of a Limited system of their choice. A destroyed character or wreck that is consumed this way is removed from the battlefield; it does not leave a wreck behind or trigger any other effects that would take place on its destruction.

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Like, if an ally gets structured a few times, can I consume all of that?

barren pendant
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You can consume all the parts but yes, if they don't leave a wreck you don't eat the wreck

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You're just grabbing the arm that came up and shoving it in your maw

tacit heath
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Solid

tacit heath
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@carmine nymph So I finally got around to playing a Gluttony. Pretty uncomplicated, short of tracking all 34 of the limited charges I had on it, to keep firing the beeg gun

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My turns took like 3 minutes each

barren pendant
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Many Limited Charges

tacit heath
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That experimental weaponry added 2d6+2 of those

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As did 4 points of Engineering across a fuel rod gun, grenades, and turrets

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Oh and the blast plating

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For a oneshot pretty good. I had 17 charges left at the end

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In a campaign this would take ages to get all those charges back >_>

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Overall verdict: that worked pretty well, in a single-minded kind of way

lapis sphinx
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I always just take Iskander 1 and a pair of Stub Cannons. That's 12 charges at least.

tacit heath
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I did only have LL3 to work with here

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So no other license dips available

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But yeah, I bet there's a bunch more limited charges available all over the place

karmic gull
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Stubbies are probably the easiest to get hold of since you probably want HA anyway for increased charges too

barren pendant
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snrk

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Sorry but as an Aussie 'stubbies' makes me laugh too much.

lapis sphinx
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Phoenix with a Phenex

-- MO & S PHOENIX @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  IPS-N Tortuga 1, MOI SOLOMON 2, MOI MEDEA 1, MO & S PHOENIX 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
  Vanguard 3, Nuclear Cavalier 3, Skirmisher 2, Drone Commander 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:12 REPAIR:7
  TECH ATK:-2 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:5 EVA:8 EDEF:8 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun
  FLEX MOUNT: Deck-Sweeper Automatic Shotgun (Conduction Rounds) // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Overpower Caliber
  MAIN MOUNT: Assault Rifle
  MAIN MOUNT: Helen-Class Rail Cannon
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Armament Redundancy, Golden Fleece, Phenex Drone, Personalizations
lapis sphinx
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My thought was mainly, "If I had a Phoenix with a DSAS, how would I best take advantage of Vanguard 3 with its -2 TA?"

tired ledge
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Oh you just reminded me, I was thinking of using this build for an indeterminate game in the future

[ LICENSES ]
  MOI SOLOMON 3, HORUS Hydra 2, HORUS Gorgon 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  The Lesson of the Open Door, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
  Drone Commander 3, Vanguard 3, ANTIQUARIAN 2, Orchestrator 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:10 REPAIR:7
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:4 EVA:10 EDEF:10 SENSE:15 SAVE:16
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Infernal Strength
  Integrated: Goetia
  Main Mount: Binding Ring // Overpower Caliber
  Flex Mount: Flauros Turret
  Flex Mount: Flauros Turret
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Andromalius Drone, Malphas Drone, Tempest Drone, Personalizations, PUPPETMASTER, Holy Wisdom```

Yeah, I know it's a lot of drones, but that's what I was looking to invest in. Was considering that I could swap out the tempest for a phenex, binding ring for another flauros. Gorgon just there for 3 horus licenses, but I also could pick up hydra 3 for assassin drone.
tired ledge
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The idea was just to "Welcome to the Jungle, it gets worse here every round."

lapis sphinx
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I wouldn't put OpCal on a limited weapon. For one thing, the bonus damage is kinetic, not burn.

tired ledge
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Oh, I might have a older lcp then? I thought the bonus damage inherited the damage on the weapon

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Anyways, good point regardless

lapis sphinx
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It normally does, but not burn.

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Bonus damage can never be burn unless an effect specifically says so.

lapis sphinx
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John Lancer, Liminal Space Edition

-- GMS Everest @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  HA Sherman 3, DOWNFALL WRATH 1, MO & S PHOENIX 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Heatfall Coolant System
[ TALENTS ]
  Technophile 3, Skirmisher 2, Tactician 2, Black Thumb 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:21 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:10 REPAIR:7
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  MAIN MOUNT: Assault Rifle
  FLEX MOUNT: Mortar
  HEAVY MOUNT: Heavy Machine Gun (Conduction Rounds) // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Enlightenment-Class NHP, ASURA-Class NHP x3, CHESS System, Rapid Burst Jump Jet System
craggy locust
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Gonna be starting a new campaign soon and wanted to ask if anyone has had experience using the tepes? I really like the gameplay from what I've seen reading as well as the art. Any tips perhaps or builds that work well? Is it very balanced?

olive wedge
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Don't have experience with it but from basic memory of theorycrafting it a bit with a friend, I think it'll do well in a party with at least one other controller, being especially high impact with a Manticore, or a
shit
what's her name
I should know it
she's like my 2nd favorite liminal space license
From MOI
hacker
basically tokugawa hacker
likes exposed
damnit

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oh would work well with a toku too

keen atlas
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morgana?

olive wedge
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think so

craggy locust
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I'm wanting to play a rather afluent noble

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and the frame gives that energy

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I saw the artwork and really liked it

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gonna also likely len into sword fighting as a theme

wicked mulch
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Question, how exactly does the Partisan Template work?

I can place it on any type of NPC, on Squads?, on humans?

barren pendant
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Yep. Any type. Though I'd not recommend putting the guns on humans or squads

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It's for rebel forces or local milita suits

ashen raft
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I was toying around with building a Rasputin pilot last night (for the mental exercise of "Liminal Space is allowed but the group has strikers already") and had a good amount of fun, I really like the targeting laser

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Spaceborne seems like it may be troublesome, but extra movement is valuable

barren pendant
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The targeting laser is really good value I find for mechs that have a heavy mount but don't really plan to go Maximum Damage (And even then, it's still a heavy, just not an absolute gangbuster one for raw damage)

ashen raft
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I chose Slasher Sustainability Suite, since the Rasputin can offload overheating rolls onto its structure and not worry about it

ashen raft
empty kraken
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Charity may well be my most neglected daughter

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Folks did not like her

ashen raft
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The art is a bit silly, but I liked it when I first saw it

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Synergizes well with other friendly quick tech options

lapis sphinx
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I want to play a Charity that doesn't do tech at all. Just skirmish and knockback.

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Like a less swole, more control Caliban.

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It'd look something like this.

-- DOWNFALL CHARITY @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  IPS-N Blackbeard 1, IPS-N Nelson 2, DOWNFALL LUST 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Overpower Caliber, Narrowband Targeting
[ TALENTS ]
  Duelist 3, Hunter 3, Skirmisher 2, Pankrati 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:+1 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:6 EVA:9 EDEF:7 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Chain Axe / Tactical Knife (CUPID Mod)
  MAIN/AUX MOUNT: War Pike (Thermal Charge) / Tactical Knife (CUPID Mod) // Overpower Caliber, Narrowband Targeting
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Monomania, Armament Redundancy, Synthetic Muscle Netting, Armor-Lock Plating
olive wedge
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A big part of mechs for me is visuals, and Charity just looks a bit freaky in a gross way
Lust is freaky in a gender envy and/or mechfucker way

vale ether
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the charity is a really cool frame tbh, i was gonna play one but that game fell apart before it started 😔

olive wedge
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rio

ashen raft
celest hinge
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Is reconnaissance 1/mission or at the start of each scene?

barren pendant
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Scene

lapis sphinx
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\`\`\`ex
text
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Except without any of the backslashes.

tacit heath
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3 backticks front and back

lapis sphinx
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And "ex" immediately after the first backslash, for the colors.

tacit heath
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What colors

lapis sphinx
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You can only see them on desktop, but it colors the numbers differently.

tacit heath
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Oh huh, so it does

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I wonder what code scheme that is

ashen raft
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Was Magnum Opus Industries trying to use its technology to get resources directly to Boundary Garden/Cornucopia?

lapis sphinx
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Support Tepes.

-- MO & S TEPES @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  MO & S CARMILLA 3, MO & S RASPUTIN 2, HORUS Goblin 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  MALICE Override, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
  Orator 3, Technophile 3, Black Thumb 2, Spotter 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:12 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:+2 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:4 EVA:9 EDEF:9 SENSE:8 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Match-Grade Gauss Rifle // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Enlightenment-Class NHP, Mircalla-Class Multitask Module, H0R_OS System Upgrade I, GENERAL WINTER, Redoubt Chassis Mod, Armament Redundancy
lapis sphinx
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Does the Restock Drone disintegrating on use count as it being destroyed for the purposes of the Medea's abilities?

barren pendant
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I suppose so?

mild fiber
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What happens with you use duelist 3 with a deployed spartoi blade?

barren pendant
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Unless you've got a way to grapple or ram at range, you can't really do that, as you still need range to the target.

mild fiber
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That would be the spartois threat range right?

barren pendant
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The ram/grapple are still from your own mech.

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(Does mean that a Spartoi Blade + IF Rowan can do some silly things as they can ram at range)

mild fiber
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Hmm that does sound fun, but I mean what's the range where my mech can grapple? With duelist three it's usually the range of the weapon used, so in this case it would be the spartois threat around my mech?

nimble finch
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with duelist 3 it's normally range 1, rather than the range/threat of the weapon used

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duelist 3 doesn't give your mech the blackbeard trait to move as part of the grapple / pull enemies as part of the grapple

lapis sphinx
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You can, potentially, use Hunter 3 or an integrated melee to lunge at the target beforehand. They're both triggered free actions.

mild fiber
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My bad, I was under the impression duelist 3 lets you grapple from the attacks range

jovial fog
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Had the pleasure of playing a Nimue for the first time at ll2 yesterday and adored it, one of the most fun things I've played in lancer. The experience and some ideas for later builds brought up a question, though.

With ripples on the lake and effecgs that require certain ranges, can't quite figure out how to word it, but for example, an enemy has siege armor, I use Ripples with a melee weapon with threat 1. The target counts as valid and in range for those attacks, but the attacks still originate from beyond range 3 so it'd have resistance, right? It'd be the same for other effects like hyperdense, vanguard 1, etc, where the nimue itself has to be at those ranges to count for them?

karmic gull
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yeah

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nimue is cheating range, not distance