👶beginner-help

[shut crow]

yup

[lone crater]

but we do have a reason for suggesting u to chase "meta" in the sense of trying 2 retain with rl cuz ur main income is abyss, which requires u to be able to somewhat competitive to retain in rl brackets

[shell basin]

Backpulling in general is trading meta progress over time for meta progress now, you get some short term rewards but it's not the efficient use of crystals. Hohe dkey is one of the less bad backpulls but thats relative

because no battlesuits will ever pay for themselves and the older they are the worse the ratio becomes

Anyway if you get boltstorm and put her + blastmetal on a team with FDD your damage will go up by like 20% or something even if you never rotate

and if you ever need even more damage than that there's a pin here for mango's budget rotation for that team

[shut crow]

yeah no there is no way I can do that good

I am just worried about this rn'

[shadow gyro]

can u show your stigs rn? to see what to level?
also when will ur manual expire? if it will still be there by next patch then when u go for the 8.5 valk youll have +3 stigs to that mission

[shut crow]

it will be gone in 18 days

[shadow gyro]

hmm alr lets see what u have rn that can be leveled

[shadow gyro]

these you can level, would start with teri gluttony first then fhm mb
if you can craft vbm's sig set without running out of cubes then its a good consideration all n all
marco would be to help with the mission and you might still use it for a while

[shut crow]

I need to know what vbm means

found it

[shadow gyro]

yeah youll need the glossary nearby

[shut crow]

is this the one

[shadow gyro]

yes

[shut crow]

but now I dont have enough to level them to 50

[ancient needle]

You don't really want to

The buff increase is very minor

[shadow gyro]

they wanna for the stigmata mission

[shadow gyro]

this one

[ancient needle]

Ah, ye, backread a bit

[shadow gyro]

can you at least level one of them? otherwise level the ones i checked

ig if you dont have enough cubes to level one of vbm's stigs to level 50 bc the manual expires then u can level the last marco stig just for the mission

[midnight urchin]

If I remember correctly it doesn’t have to be the high rarety ones that have to be level

[shut crow]

I went for marco and completed the mission

[shadow gyro]

👍

[shut crow]

I have no way of doing that with the vbm sig

[shadow gyro]

its alr, since ure not in a rush to level vbm's stig, wait for a bit until you have more cubes
you might wanna save the cubes for 8.5 first bc leveling stigs for a new unit is higher prio

when u have extra then u wanna slowly level up vbm stig as youll need it later on

[shut crow]

I wont be pulling for a while since I am short on resources rn

[shadow gyro]

its alr, u have time

[shut crow]

now only this is left

[shadow gyro]

should be more than easy with your fdd!

if you need some help check the er guide in pins

[shut crow]

I unfortunately used my key for vbm and I've read it a little and I think I need to wait for monday right?

[shadow gyro]

yeah

vbm should be fine too!

[shut crow]

nevermind we are so back

[shadow gyro]

[hidden cave]

Hey so I wanna roll for the current divine key box ,I am 10k off, I have FDD and her gear already and I don't wanna roll for astralop since 10k isnt enough for SS lol so should I roll on FDD banner to build pity or on the next supply b valk? (Idk if saying her is a spoiler)

[odd plume]

you really need that box?

[shell basin]

The best advice is to probably just accept you won’t get it and save the crystals but if you really want it you could try pulling in waxing banner. Which is either a dkey and attack or some weapon pity, assuming your weapon pity isn’t high already

[slow niche]

is FDD a general elemental support?

[shell basin]

FDD banner and pity is also a decent option tho

[shell basin]

She has breach which is good for any Valkyrie she can support (RoO, GoI, LoA)

Including physical ones

[odd plume]

nope, the game doesnt work like that anymore, she mostly support certain ring type

[slow niche]

oh okay

[shell basin]

But not including WS or WoD

[hidden cave]

Yes, I really want it 😍 I will pull on the waxing banner. Thank yew!

[odd plume]

in theory she can support all ring type, but just cope support for some type

[slow niche]

ohh

[shell basin]

Iirc most of her buffs were ring locked so it would be really cope but yeah technically sure

[hidden cave]

I luckily still have the double crystals on my top up so will be able to refund it soon thank goodness

[shell basin]

I assume you’re already buying monthly card and bpass? Since those are a better deal than top up crystals? But yeah if you’re gonna whale a lot of decisions become more justifiable

In which case good luck

[hidden cave]

Yep yep, I do. Thanks 😊

[prisma fiber]

Hofi or Cora for Sampo?

[abstract sequoia]

hofi is miles better if you lack high ranked trio for rimestar

you just WA for buffs, coralie needs more setup time

just keep in mind, he has a lightning shield

maybe you could unironically cook with senadina with thelema as support for extra shieldbreak

there is also a team i know that can 0s sampo, HoO/HoFi/HoFs. If you have at least HoO geared, you'll get the best results with that team

[slow niche]

should i break through? i watched a guide on yt and they said that breaking through is more worth than being stuck in q-manifold

[serene crystal]

You should most likely breakthrough see this post for details #👶beginner-help message

@slow niche

[wraith brook]

Can i Use that teams for MA?

[glad ice]

coralie is MECH and type disadvantage on Rime boss

u can go paws or badum dps

[wraith brook]

so better badum since it need fire, thanks

is sampo cant killed with TRIO?

[glad ice]

hoo dps with hofi sup

[jolly pulsar]

Which guide was it?

[glad ice]

generally thats true

better to go for exalt than stopping at master at this point of the game

[slow niche]

okok thanku!

[slow niche]

just a guide abt how to get more crystals, they stated that its worth breaking through if u can stay in agony

[jolly pulsar]

Aw, was wondering if you knew where it was so you could link it

Would be helpful for me

[slow niche]

i watched this one, its kinda lengthy i just played it in the background

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxi1FwjYPkM

[jolly pulsar]

Neat, thanks!

[wraith brook]

Hoo?

oh

[glad ice]

u have trio right?

[wraith brook]

Sry forgot about sampo

[wraith brook]

well almost.
and no have KiaElf 4* for rota i guess

[glad ice]

sampo is SS and easy enough. in my server max score is hoo hofi hofs (hofs for time slow i guess)

[abstract sequoia]

same in EU

and i didnt even need mei stigs to get it

[wraith brook]

dont have hofi

[glad ice]

who is in 3rd screenshot

[wraith brook]

?

[glad ice]

u can replace hofs with eden

[wraith brook]

it bad?

[wraith brook]

wich weapon and stig we use then?

[glad ice]

both of them use turg and eden's pri

733 is ok i guess. 893 is doable

[abstract sequoia]

if you lack eden wep, just use whatever

or fenghuang pinions, but I assume you lose too much time to use it

[wraith brook]

both? u about hofi?

[abstract sequoia]

no

[wraith brook]

guess i bad with eden, 533

[abstract sequoia]

hofi uses waxing and iskandar, or else you wont get hoo buffs

[wraith brook]

its stig?

[glad ice]

his hofi has those gears. as in screenshot

[wraith brook]

i miss it with HoFi sry

@glad ice so we use that on eden and that stig on Hofs?

I dont have hofs

Ok i have but no gear

[glad ice]

u use exactly what eden has on her

[quick birch]

just steal edens gear, and do you have Mei : beach party

[glad ice]

hoo hofi hofs: hofi use weapon, hofs evade + ult + elf, hoo qte in and do her stuff

[wraith brook]

but i dont have 2 weapon of eden

[quick birch]

you use HoO/HoFi/Hfs

you dont need 2 weapons

[glad ice]

u only use 1 of them either eden or hofs

[wraith brook]

wich one should use then?

[wraith brook]

like that?

[glad ice]

like this

[wraith brook]

so i better upgrade hofs and use that gear to her?

[wraith brook]

Definitely not

idk where to get them.

So ints not sense to use it if not MEI beach party?

[glad ice]

meiM is for oneshot max score. u cant do it anw because gated by dks and rank and elf

fhmM should be enough

[wraith brook]

what is dlk?

[glad ice]

divine keys

[wraith brook]

oh

[glad ice]

they contribute to all ur valk's ATK stat

[wraith brook]

so i cant do that bc i have not elf?
I rember somone say about this simmillar, but with HoTr but i cant do qte thing or smth else bc not have KIAelf

[glad ice]

u can still do that. u can use blood elf or jingwei elf for a little tiny dmg

start as soon as u can control ur valk

ur score wont be max but i think 893 or 884 is doable

anyway shouldnt be too concern about a little score in MA lol

[wraith brook]

thanks, i try it later and send

[wintry juniper]

884?

you mean 840?

[glad ice]

yeah i forgot about the next score after 893

[wintry juniper]

it's fine, most ppl get 946 anyways, they forgot how the scaling works

I memorized the numbers since I already mathed the score diff per sec

[wraith brook]

[wintry juniper]

yea it's 53.333 recurring per sec

as for SSS boss, 13.333 recurring

also why when you x1.2, it's 16 points per sec

fun back then when more ppl cared for MA

[analog root]

how do i get the crystals? I already played another round and i couldn't reach cycle score 6

[abstract sequoia]

when did it fall off?

i mean i enjoy current ma but maybe back then things were funkier(aside the triple newton or cez strats i already heard of)

[glad ice]

do 1 more complete run (confirmed score at finish).

u dont need to score higher. just kill her

or kill other boss

[glad ice]

when ppl start to 0sec all the bosses

jk

[wintry juniper]

it's much more fun back then mainly because ranks matter

now you can capscore Rimestar with a s0 dps

[abstract sequoia]

i wouldn't count SSS aop as s0

i mean idk, i guess things got simpler

[wintry juniper]

I mean I guess you can say that

[abstract sequoia]

you either have dmg or you dont

[wintry juniper]

but back then you run 3* ELF and can score 1sec behind, with 1 rank behind :P

[glad ice]

and they remove the time fracture chain

[wintry juniper]

now it's just pull AO and new valk and weap, you can clear older content

alot of old tech are just gone

[glad ice]

we used to have resetable time fracture

[abstract sequoia]

oh?

why would they

[wintry juniper]

yea you can timefrac train 9sec of timefrac in MA with DK comps back then

now that timefrac don't matter

since suspended anim

[abstract sequoia]

i saw an faq about this and that sounds nice

[wintry juniper]

exists

so why bother

[abstract sequoia]

oh, so they just replaced it

[wintry juniper]

not really

yk Senti chain combo?

or Griseo ult anim

[abstract sequoia]

yea

[wintry juniper]

those are sus ani that we abuse in MA to lengthen as much as we can for evade cd or weap cd

[abstract sequoia]

those slow the timer afaik

[wintry juniper]

allowing for more fun in chaining some cool effects

[abstract sequoia]

but not halt it

[wintry juniper]

chain into evade spear, qte Griseo, weap active ult, you dragged 8sec of the fight

wasting 1sec

so removing timefrac training doesn't affect anything

it's only when we go legacy valks like DK that it can be a problem

[abstract sequoia]

which do not have their original power anymore?

[wintry juniper]

additionally, we used to have multiple teams that can capscore

now I think you fix on 1 team unless one of the valks is required for another boss

[abstract sequoia]

i see

[wintry juniper]

it's more so they rely solely on the timefracture

that makes them so strong in MA

[glad ice]

we used to have 7 ways to kill a boss

[wintry juniper]

like DK FT was critical

you can get a 7sec timefrac

[glad ice]

now we have 1

[abstract sequoia]

that's crazy

[wintry juniper]

with those 2 valks

add CH and you have 10sec

10sec of timefrac

[abstract sequoia]

i mean what if we get those ways back

[wintry juniper]

no one would use it

[abstract sequoia]

and the aop system just need more valks

[wintry juniper]

[glad ice]

1 way is better for business

[abstract sequoia]

i meant the 7 ways over 1

[wintry juniper]

as they say "new toys, new score"

[abstract sequoia]

sounds depressing

[wintry juniper]

part 1 provided that, part 2 doesn't

it's why we used to compare valks so much

even tho there's really nth to compare

it's specifically due to boss being overlapped by different valks that they can clear

like say, Husk Nihilius

[glad ice]

now we dont do compare because only 1 valk can get best score

[wintry juniper]

HoT, Aponia were the 2 you'll name

[glad ice]

and exclusive gear

[wraith brook]

how to use ULT? sry

[wintry juniper]

you don't ult with HoFS

[abstract sequoia]

why use ult

its not any meaningful dmg anyway

[glad ice]

eden pri has ult buff. but u ll need 75sp iirc

gated by hoo rank lol

[wraith brook]

oh

[abstract sequoia]

which ult buff?

[wraith brook]

then i cant do it

[wintry juniper]

ehh

[glad ice]

team tdm after ult

20 ish

[wintry juniper]

how is your HoO atk

[abstract sequoia]

oh that

[wraith brook]

i try beat it for sp guess

[wraith brook]

my?

[wintry juniper]

ya

[abstract sequoia]

i did it without that buff tbh

[wraith brook]

1 min

[wintry juniper]

they don't got dmg that's why

[abstract sequoia]

ah

[wintry juniper]

gotta supply some dmg somewhere

[abstract sequoia]

yea i see the issue with S2 HoO

[glad ice]

farming sp will affect score

[abstract sequoia]

wish i could downgrade mine

I'd help

[wraith brook]

then forgot about try it?

[glad ice]

u can skip ult. just switch hofs in, evade and out

when hofs switch out she will do a blast

so u dont need to do any atk, just evade to get time slow and activate hoo qte

[abstract sequoia]

hofs after hofi should also be fastest i believe

but triggering wa like that is hard

[wintry juniper]

huh

woah woah

I just need to know his attack and HoO ranks, just to see how bad it is

it's MA, 840 is very possible

[abstract sequoia]

1s or 2s definitely possible

[wraith brook]

i skip fre hoo
only when she out get that free so no s2 or what rank with free hoo

[abstract sequoia]

0s with enough power

[abstract sequoia]

you have free s2 from ER stamps

[glad ice]

enough power and 4* kiana

[abstract sequoia]

yea that looks like mine pre-bp

[glad ice]

i have a sliver hp left with 2* kiana

[wraith brook]

so smth else, not corretly rember rank with 2 free hoo

[oak estuary]

Cant buy some stamps from pwo?

[wraith brook]

pwo?

[glad ice]

pure witch orb

[wraith brook]

What i that?

Oh yellow orb, no, still not open this sho[

[abstract sequoia]

pure witch orb shop, the one you get from SSSing a war treasury valk

[glad ice]

u get those by salvaging SSS valk frag

[abstract sequoia]

WT valk frags*

anyone not in there only gives you normal witch orbs

[oak estuary]

Base s rank sss valks*

[glad ice]

normal is from salvaging A rank valk

[abstract sequoia]

free elfs also give you witch orbs fyi but way less efficient

[wintry juniper]

oh right I forgot those who didn't gacha for HoO on debut won't have SS0 rn

[abstract sequoia]

yea hello

[glad ice]

anw gacha valk frag turn into stardust so i guess saying WT is correct

[abstract sequoia]

i only got SS0 later from PWO

like a few weeks ago

[wintry juniper]

I got SS0 from ER

[glad ice]

elf frag give elf orb

[abstract sequoia]

no they do not

i already tried that

[oak estuary]

I can ss hoo right now but no point since i dont have hoo gears for 0 sec

[wraith brook]

we need gacha it?
not 2nd free HoO?

[wintry juniper]

there's a 2nd free one?

[abstract sequoia]

yea that's more correct

[wintry juniper]

I didn't know

[abstract sequoia]

there was

[wintry juniper]

oh cool

[abstract sequoia]

7.4

and thats how I got her

[wintry juniper]

I just came back since I saw the cn stuff

so I could've own ss1

:P

technically ss2 since I didn't clear the ER shop yet

[abstract sequoia]

no biggie, reserve works and pwo are plenty

[wintry juniper]

returnee banner literally has thelema

totally not betting that I can s2 thele from the free pulls

[wraith brook]

i hear about that since everyone surprised tht i have only s0

[oak estuary]

U can s2 ||by spend event next patch||

[wintry juniper]

oh wow how did I just learn this

[wraith brook]

So i need find 1 valk (with most Fragments and Rank) from upper list and buy all fragments from WT?

[wintry juniper]

the line below the stig in the valk selection screen indicates that the set bonus is active

lol

[wraith brook]

[wintry juniper]

I'm oldie, but afk too long from the game to remember ;v

[wraith brook]

can u show waht u about?

[wintry juniper]

huh? about the line?

[wraith brook]

yes.

[wintry juniper]

if it's a full set, the lines appear on all 3 stigs

it's nth too special to know ngl

just that if you are lazy to check your stigs manually

[wraith brook]

oh that,
thanks

[wintry juniper]

you can use that line to check if you have the correct stigs or not (assuming you recognize the stig icon to know that's the stig you need)

[abstract sequoia]

helps with knowing if a full set is equipped without knowing the symbols by heart

you rarely equip the wrong 3pc stigmata on someone

[wintry juniper]

what's your gear

[wraith brook]

why

[abstract sequoia]

where is the eop trigger?

[wraith brook]

eop?

[upbeat egret]

Stig?

[wraith brook]

mb send wrong file

[wintry juniper]

huh

does it matter since turg applied already

tdm buff is active even without weap cast no?

[wintry juniper]

oh wait

it does buff 15% lightning dmg

for team

[abstract sequoia]

kinda does if WA gives more lightning dmg

[upbeat egret]

Do u have zhenyi TB handel m?

[wispy aurora]

It worth grabbing all 5 of these seeing as its changing next patch?

[wintry juniper]

don't think they do

[wintry juniper]

do you own this stigma

[wraith brook]

no?
not sure what it that

[abstract sequoia]

need to destroy the flower that didn't attack you

so blue was correct

[wraith brook]

no

[wintry juniper]

[upbeat egret]

No mei , no Tesla m

[wraith brook]

thanks

[wintry juniper]

how about Avogadro M

[abstract sequoia]

vill-v contraptions M?

[upbeat egret]

U attacked the wrong flower

[wraith brook]

sry
idk about much how get them.

[wintry juniper]

no way that guy have it lol

that's so old

[abstract sequoia]

it was in the last time capsule

[upbeat egret]

Tesla m is farmable

[wintry juniper]

oh then maybe

[wraith brook]

what the capsule?

[wintry juniper]

it's a shop

it basically contains old stigma stuff

and old weapons

sometimes even old outfits

[abstract sequoia]

most serve no purpose except collecting. emphasis on most

[wraith brook]

no?

[wintry juniper]

how about this one

[abstract sequoia]

you can see why i mentioned it, its kinda like a worse tesla m with no farm requirement

[glad ice]

lmao

[abstract sequoia]

also its one of the few M pieces with ATK

[wintry juniper]

the last M piece with attack

[upbeat egret]

Fu hua M was 10% tdm right?

[wintry juniper]

no

fire dmg

[abstract sequoia]

the 2pc buff was

[upbeat egret]

Oh

[wintry juniper]

2piece is tdm

[upbeat egret]

Too old

[wraith brook]

guess i can just show what i have on M

[upbeat egret]

What did u do with ur red reso?

[wintry juniper]

because I do think you can get 786 or 840 with your team

[upbeat egret]

U can farm Tesla m....
Its really cheap

[wraith brook]

[wraith brook]

didnt other say it not worth?
or i miss sense

[glad ice]

they dont have red reso coz no offrate now

[abstract sequoia]

weeklies give you some

[glad ice]

and OW red reso is ignorable on newbies

[abstract sequoia]

it accumulates

although very slowly

[wraith brook]

what is red reso?

[glad ice]

red resonance

[upbeat egret]

The red thing on the top right

[glad ice]

yeah the 6000 one

[wraith brook]

oh

[abstract sequoia]

it used to be what you get from salvaging stigmata

prisms replaced them but older stigmas still give them

[glad ice]

still is. if u salvage stig from mirage

[wintry juniper]

isn't tesla M also buyable in foundry

[upbeat egret]

Is it

[abstract sequoia]

g2 lightning

[wintry juniper]

ya it is

g2 lightning

[wintry juniper]

[abstract sequoia]

mei beach m isn't in foundry

thats the more efficient stig though

[abstract sequoia]

if you can only choose one

[abstract sequoia]

o

[upbeat egret]

Bruh

[wintry juniper]

15k

[upbeat egret]

Go buy mei m dude

[wintry juniper]

reset until you see Mei Beach party M

[upbeat egret]

[wraith brook]

so i need this?

[upbeat egret]

Yes

[wintry juniper]

see, just a few resets

[upbeat egret]

18 reset

[wraith brook]

ok thanks

[wintry juniper]

I passed by 6 Newts while finding Mei M

[abstract sequoia]

remember when you had to pay asterite for more than 20 resets?

or was it 10

[wintry juniper]

5

[wraith brook]

did i nee buy something else

[wintry juniper]

uh for now no

[abstract sequoia]

i repressed how bad it really was

[upbeat egret]

Do u have Beethoven M? This is also a stig u can farm

Craft in foundry

[wraith brook]

guess no?

[wintry juniper]

if you lack coins and stigma exp materials, just level up to 45 and then upgrade it to 5* and leave it, my Mei M is lvl 1 but 5*

[abstract sequoia]

honestly, I'd see if they can get something for SP issues

so beethoven B or avo tm

[abstract sequoia]

assuming that mei stays below s3 for a while

[wintry juniper]

there you go

[upbeat egret]

Nah Beethoven b is not worth if u are missing damage

[wintry juniper]

[wraith brook]

so i do only 5* 1llv?

[abstract sequoia]

yes

[wintry juniper]

saves coins and mats

I always level it to 45

then upgrade it after

[glad ice]

yeah u dont lack anything so just 5* it for better buff

[wintry juniper]

all my M stigs are that now

[wraith brook]

even P2 ?

[wintry juniper]

all my M stigs

[glad ice]

45 to 50 cost 4 prism so u can save it from M and focus T and B first

[wraith brook]

so now try again with party stig?

[wintry juniper]

ya I've saved 3M coins now I guess

and 300 stigma exp

I did the math last time, it's one of the faq... lemme find it :P

[wraith brook]

never pay attetion to them

[wintry juniper]

yea here

you can skip the text wall and scroll all the way down to the number

[glad ice]

some M stig have better buff at lvl50 than lvl1

[wintry juniper]

those are old M stigs

[glad ice]

u need to check though.

[wintry juniper]

anything from 2020 onwards doesn't do that anymore afaik

[wraith brook]

616

[wintry juniper]

the only thing you care for is if the M stig provides attack or not (that is not from affix)

so stuff like Bastet M

or if the valk requires the HP to survive/gain dmg

stuff like FoV, or Senadina who is well known to die alot

all of which I listed in that faq as well

[wintry juniper]

try using HFS weap active

[wraith brook]

1 min then

[wintry juniper]

I still think your switch between HFS and HoO is slow

[wraith brook]

then it lack of my hand

[wintry juniper]

it's not

you pressed elf button when you did that

hence why it's delayed

don't do that

don't even bother pressing the elf it doesn't do much for you

[glad ice]

do u have CezanneB

use handelTM cezB/newtB on hoo

[wintry juniper]

I do think it's 786 or 840

even without those stig

and considering they didn't know about exchange shop until today, no way he has newt B

[wraith brook]

733

not sure about this

[wintry juniper]

it's also in the exchange shop

[wraith brook]

so go in and buy it?
or bette save for something?

[wintry juniper]

there's nth really worth to grab in exchange shop other than Mei M and Newt B

because the other stigs in there is just for the most part, collection or niche runs in Memorial Arena (which Mei M and Newt B are also considered to be in that niche runs)

[wraith brook]

i need this one? for sure.

[wintry juniper]

I'm scoring the same as you without HoO's T or B stig

[glad ice]

the only stig worth getting in exchange shop are MeiM and newtB

[wraith brook]

waht

[wintry juniper]

I'm trying to cripple my stats

[wraith brook]

then it my hand

[glad ice]

same as u with 3/4 gear

[wraith brook]

so i choose right stig here,

[wintry juniper]

yea newt B does a lot wow

[glad ice]

since u bought it now try it with handelTM newtB

need to be quick with hoo combo coz newtB only last 5s (watch the cd ring buff)

[wintry juniper]

I'm scoring 893 without elf

wtf

why is timer ticking during combo

haiss

full screen being the problem or smth ;v

[glad ice]

no? my timer always tick if i do combo. need to finish with only qte weap ult

[quick birch]

you can fit a whole combo in and still 0 sec it's just fps + tight timing

[wintry juniper]

yea I did that just now

I got 0sec with combo

somehow I can't replicate it now ;v

[wraith brook]

sry idk what wrong with me

[wintry juniper]

I guess due to Newt B and Mei M, you try to do it without HFS weap active and ult after the 2nd weap cast then combo on the last

[wraith brook]

oh i forgto about mei

[glad ice]

hofs weap is skippable if u use meiM. but i guess u lack dmg

after ult newtB run out so ur dmg will suffer

[wraith brook]

wait

we go like that?

[wintry juniper]

hence why you combo on the last

[wintry juniper]

lvl up Newt B

[glad ice]

how is ur newtB affix

[wintry juniper]

the lvl 1 thing is for M stigs only since it has no atk stat

[wraith brook]

dont have any

[glad ice]

get a IMG atk reroller from mirage shop

[wintry juniper]

that's...

[glad ice]

or try ur luck kewk

[wintry juniper]

I don't know if it's worth to do that

[glad ice]

with rng

[wintry juniper]

considering it's super niche

HoO on a SS MA boss running Newt B is pretty common, but rarely seen if it's not SS rank

so idk if it's worth spending this much just for 1 or 2sec improvement

[wraith brook]

so just ignore it all and move for other boss?

[glad ice]

yeah ig my idea is bad. just roll rng for 1 atk line then

if rng bless u can get 2 lines

[ancient needle]

What rank is your HoO?

[wintry juniper]

s2

[wraith brook]

s2
Not sure about WT

[wraith brook]

[wintry juniper]

you can come back to this boss after doing the other 2

dw about it too much

[glad ice]

do u lack crystal core

u shouldn't

[wraith brook]

im not but, fell like im doing all thing wrong

[glad ice]

just do 10x

[wintry juniper]

ok this pisses me off, the gear-swap button for HFS is not within my screen

[wraith brook]

Mei its not greatsword yes/

[wintry juniper]

no

katana

[wraith brook]

so i need katana

[wraith brook]

not sure

[glad ice]

its blade

[wintry juniper]

if you're ever unsure of their weapon type:

[glad ice]

in english ver

[wintry juniper]

yea it's Blade mb

too used to calling it katana

[quick birch]

tbh the biggest dealbreaker prob isnt your attack but that your HoO is only S2 iirc

SS is huge for HoO dps

[wintry juniper]

the ult dmg

[wraith brook]

guess its best for 10x

[glad ice]

it isnt used to be blade though, it was something but not katana either

[wraith brook]

now its 1344 atk

[glad ice]

u need to work with handel affix too lol

i specifically rolled all ATK on my handel for hot era

[wraith brook]

rerol them to 20 atk?

[glad ice]

yeah reroll the T. M is ok ig

[wraith brook]

1363

[upbeat egret]

I hope ur p2 valks have some good affix tho

[wintry juniper]

this is so much effort for more score in MA lol

[wraith brook]

[wraith brook]

idk how we come to this

[glad ice]

i even thought about 2nd handel set lol

[wraith brook]

?

dont we use 2 handel anyway?

[glad ice]

2 sets of handel

1 on eden and 1 on hot

[wraith brook]

so i just evade on hofs and then use aa Evade and 2 times WA then only ult?

[glad ice]

just do wat u did on last vid

btw i just got 0sec lol. timing is very tight so it wont tick mid-combo

[wraith brook]

what is tick mid?

[upbeat egret]

The clock

When he drops from 5:00 to 4:59

[glad ice]

clock ticking

[upbeat egret]

More like a jumpsec

[wraith brook]

then i too slow guess

[upbeat egret]

U are too slow on.hof

[wintry juniper]

try without the HFS weap active

[glad ice]

lack dmg for the last small bar of hp

[wraith brook]

[glad ice]

dont use hofs weap if using meiM it will mess up the buff

[upbeat egret]

What gear do they have on Hoo?

[wintry juniper]

Handel TM Newt B

[upbeat egret]

How about full handel?

840 with full handel S2 hoo 60fps

[jolly pulsar]

Ain’t no way

Handel in 2025?

[glad ice]

hoo in 2025

[jolly pulsar]

Bro can definitely do 4:59

[wintry juniper]

most ppl are doing benares TM Newt B

you can't say that since Handel is newer than Benares

[glad ice]

newtB have good buff enough for 1 rot (combo + ult)

culprit is lack of atk

[upbeat egret]

Handel mb newton b 893

@wraith brook

[glad ice]

yeah 60fps suck

[wraith brook]

[untold pumice]

chat, what is the best f2p team for Thelema? Very urgent, I'm newbie and I have struggled with brute forcing and not reading but I came here to atone for my sins

[wraith brook]

whyd?

[wintry juniper]

[wraith brook]

wdym?

[glad ice]

his name was asaphie 60fps suck.
once was

[wintry juniper]

you're slower by default on clicking buttons

[wraith brook]

so?

[glad ice]

because it tick mid combo

from 0500 to 0459

[wintry juniper]

so the timer can tick normally but you're slower because the game says f you

[sweet flax]

you mean returnee? (newer players cant get her rn)
thelema is overly reliant on her weapon do you at least have that

[austere umbra]

should i just pick a cahracter i dont have?

[glad ice]

yeah my switching is noticingly slower than vid refs

[untold pumice]

oh right, returnee. Yes I'm trying to get her weapon on returnee banner but no idea for the team

[upbeat egret]

Always has been

[wintry juniper]

fps also used to mess with hitboxes

so some ults that rely on hitbox can hit more

they fixed it ofc

but it took like 3 years to fix

[sweet flax]

the only team she has is with hohe (with her dkey) at the moment, and even then it doesnt appear as frequently and is relatively ass outside ice weathers
if your goal is to do well in abyss, aka be competitive, its better to start on a fresh account instead

[upbeat egret]

Asugoat lurking in the shadow

[sweet flax]

🥷

[wintry juniper]

considering most players don't even use their affix reroll device because they save them until they need to use (which idk when they will ever use it), just grab a valk that you don't own that is ALSO in Elysian Realm for the crystals

[glad ice]

for thelema f2p i guess u can go with vbm and one of sena/lantern/songque/vita/dlc hohe

or better if u have two of those

[austere umbra]

does outfit supply really only cost <1280 crystals to get the outfit?

[wintry juniper]

no?

[glad ice]

for old one 1200, pyramid is 9600

[austere umbra]

it says 1 pull is 128 crystals

[sweet flax]

its 20% off,
20% off of 9600 is 7680

[untold pumice]

uh its fine I'm very casual, came back on the game for very specific reason 🙏

[wintry juniper]

[glad ice]

1 pull but next one is double the cost

[sweet flax]

the pulls increase in cost

[austere umbra]

oh its exponential lol

[glad ice]

so its not 10 pull

[sweet flax]

do you have any other p2 units?

or just thel

[wintry juniper]

[sweet flax]

that's how they get you

[glad ice]

oh so its not double though

[untold pumice]

just Coralie, yea I'm so cooked

[wintry juniper]

never was

used to be easier to math per pull

[sweet flax]

the new s rank one or the a rank one

[wintry juniper]

since it's x10 of the number they need

now you gotta reduce 20% ;v

if you're also unaware

[austere umbra]

silverwing is the only "useful" one here right?

[wintry juniper]

none are really useful honestly

HFS would be useful for some MA stuff

[sweet flax]

the only one that sees use is hofs for ma

oh wait you already mentioned it

[untold pumice]

A

[glad ice]

i guess u can pick the valks that have stress test for 1-2 focus ticket on top of ER growth xtal

[sweet flax]

could use a p1 ice support for the 3rd slot, vbs provides nothing for thel afaik

[austere umbra]

for the rest of these boxes, i have all 3 stigs for all the chars i have respective to each box. should i just take the prisms? -- only valks i dont have are sparkle, duran, and sushang

[glad ice]

A rank coralie is vbm, we stop calling her coralie because there is new coralie now

[sweet flax]

if you already have the stigs for them then yes

otherwise can hold the box for collection up to you

[austere umbra]

what about the elf box?

[sweet flax]

do you have any elfs right now?

[austere umbra]

lol

[left vale]

kiaelf

[sweet flax]

then hold onto the box, at 2* none of the elfs are worth obtaining at the moment

[wintry juniper]

me padding my inv to make me look like a whale

[left vale]

||if he gets kiaelf now he can 3* next patch||

[left vale]

whel

[untold pumice]

alright thank u

[wintry juniper]

no u

[sweet flax]

||there is also a use to 3* pb next patch as well depending on the player, wouldnt you agree ||

[left vale]

||no. 3* PB is worse than SSS DS for HRB||

[sweet flax]

||Oh we finally going to sss?||

[left vale]

it doesnt make really any diff but yeah

[wintry juniper]

wdym no diff

tdm taken is nice

[lyric anvil]

Against typeless enemies

[glad ice]

typeless enemy is rare

[left vale]

it's for typeless enemies only

[wintry juniper]

that is true

they start releasing more typeless enemies

hating on the fact that story mode bosses

are mostly typeless

[upbeat egret]

Pb3* is overall not a good choice over 3*kiana imo

[wintry juniper]

but when it comes to Abyss/MA they have a type

;v

[glad ice]

nah they wont bother for the f2p aop

[lyric anvil]

||If there was an Otto next patch, that'd be great for HoRB||

[left vale]

but circling back to this 3* PB requires at least 2 phys teammates to be better than DS and that's not a thing with ||HoRb DPS|| so DS is better

[wintry juniper]

another patch where we got to pull 2 valks

[lyric anvil]

[austere umbra]

so ermmm whats the elf box consensus

[wintry juniper]

save for now

unless you can get 3* Kiana ELF rn

[upbeat egret]

!faq keep

[small willow]

General Item Usage

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If you immediately use something without actually needing what it provides, you may put yourself at a disadvantage later on by wasting a source of materials that you fall short of down the line.

This applies to almost every irreversible material choice such as:

• Stigma Option boxes
• Material Option boxes
• Blazing Assembly Option (ELF Option box)
  • ELF Part Option boxes
• Weapon Option boxes (Divine Key or Beginner Weapon Option box)
• Salvaging non-duplicate Weapons/Stigmata
• Buying items using rare currencies (i.e., Supply Shop)

Before selecting something from an option box, salvaging gear, or buying materials, think twice if you actually need what is offered and if you really need it right now!
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[wraith brook]

sry i cant proke QTE

[left vale]

is it on

you kinda need kiaelf for this

[wintry juniper]

hmmm

no you don't

[left vale]

wait

hofi weap refreshes hoo skip cd

[wintry juniper]

yes it does

[left vale]

do hofi wa before hofs methinks

then use hofs ue to proc hoo qte

is hfi wa skip still possible?

[wintry juniper]

no

[left vale]

dem

[wraith brook]

i dont have

[wintry juniper]

lemme try that as well

[left vale]

nvm u dont

[wintry juniper]

unsure if it's the weap active delaying the qte

[left vale]

forgot about hofi wa doing that

[upbeat egret]

Something is weird

[left vale]

do hofi WA before swapping to hofs

[wraith brook]

1st time i thing about hogi since we use her without QTE for Vita team, try again and not change

[upbeat egret]

Really consistent when I tried

[wintry juniper]

wait

I also got the qte

how did you not get it

istg it's the fucking fps

[wraith brook]

idk

[left vale]

lmfao

how do u even 0s sampo

[upbeat egret]

Is ken playing at 60fps?

[left vale]

is it possible without ss hoo

[wintry juniper]

no lol

[upbeat egret]

Yes

[wintry juniper]

I play 144fps

[left vale]

without eop tho

[wraith brook]

[upbeat egret]

Yes

[wraith brook]

144?

[left vale]

send ref

[wraith brook]

game aloowed to make only 120

[left vale]

wait without 4* kiaelf

[upbeat egret]

Cooked

[wintry juniper]

yea I regedit it

[wraith brook]

so i need turn 60 fps?

[glad ice]

60 is bad

[wintry juniper]

no don't, asaphie has it 60fps because his phone probably can't handle higher

[wraith brook]

THen my hand is problem, idk.

[glad ice]

ur hoo is problem

lack atk so cant kill with ult

[wraith brook]

game not let u tirn it more 60 on mobile but let on pc?

[wraith brook]

waht about qte?

[wraith brook]

like there

[wintry juniper]

it's more so asaphie might lag if more than 60?

[glad ice]

u get hoo qte from hofs evade time slow

[wraith brook]

so, wait, if anyway u monitor not let u more then 60 u still better turn more then 60?

[glad ice]

if u switch too soon u wont get qte btw, restart if that happen

[wintry juniper]

you generally want to go for the fps that matches your hertz

there's a lot of info on google about it, considering you have no issues handling 120fps, leave it as it is

[glad ice]

should match ur monitor fps/hertz

[wraith brook]

idk if i have, somone say to turng it on 120 even if my monitor 60 only

[wintry juniper]

wha

[wraith brook]

then i cant use 120?

[wintry juniper]

yours is 60hz?

[ancient needle]

No, FPS being higher than the refresh rate reduces input lag

[wintry juniper]

[wraith brook]

yes

always with 60

[wintry juniper]

so do I go for 200fps

[wraith brook]

its just not proc

[ancient needle]

If you don't encounter stability issues absolutely

[wintry juniper]

[sweet flax]

realistically 120 fps should be more than fine but running it on 240 has no issues either

[wintry juniper]

I think your HFS is just too slow

[wraith brook]

and time tick
so i slow , and idk but, too soon Evade

[glad ice]

hofi before hofs. when u switch hoo out she has cd and hofi weap clear that

[wintry juniper]

funny how I'm playing on such small reso

I just click buttons due to muscle memory

[wraith brook]

but ASAPHIE start from HOFS

[wintry juniper]

@wraith brook I also did the same btw

[glad ice]

asaphie has 4* kiana and the elf can clear switch cd

[wintry juniper]

I know why yours don't trigger QTE

no no

Asaphie and I didn't use elf

at all

[wraith brook]

[wintry juniper]

I know why you didn't trigger her QTE

[upbeat egret]

@left vale fast hand+ high fps can get 0s btw

[wintry juniper]

you have to use HoFin weap active BEFORE Sampo is on field

[wraith brook]

@glad ice no

[wintry juniper]

or else her qte won't trigger since the trigger point is the timefrac from when an enemy exists

[left vale]

is this 4* kiaelf

[wintry juniper]

if the enemy exists on field and it's already timefractured and your switch cd is still there, you can't trigger her QTE

[glad ice]

then its back to hofi before hofs

[wintry juniper]

I've learn this a lot during Alien Guard HoT HoTr Eden 0sec run

[upbeat egret]

U can do the same with 3* .. I am overkilling at the end ...and u can use better gear on hoo
Zhenyi TB handel m

[wraith brook]

so i slow in simple way

[left vale]

i dont have anything other than sig gear for hoo

[wintry juniper]

yea

[wraith brook]

backing to my hand

[glad ice]

u should have handel TM newtB

[wintry juniper]

if you compare your vid to mine or asaphie

[left vale]

i should?
i dont

[wintry juniper]

you'll notice your HoFin just entered the field and Sampo already exists

but mine and Asaphie's already casted Hofin weap

also why yours ticked to :59 before HoO enter the field

[upbeat egret]

Maybe try with handel TM newton b

[wintry juniper]

while both of us didn't

[left vale]

i dont have handel or newt

[ancient needle]

Wtf

[upbeat egret]

Wtf

[wraith brook]

what so unexpected?

[ancient needle]

Cez?

[upbeat egret]

No handel in big 2025?

[glad ice]

new acc i guess

[left vale]

why would i have handel

[wintry juniper]

crippling depre-

[upbeat egret]

No.newton in.big 2025?

[wintry juniper]

what you doing with your reso

[upbeat egret]

Might as well uninstall

[left vale]

i have cez b but no tm to combo with it

[wraith brook]

And what are you driving at in the end?

[left vale]

what reso
you make 200 per week

[wintry juniper]

driving?

[wraith brook]

sry auto translaete

[wintry juniper]

ya I went afk for 3 months and before 3 months I already have 10k spare

[left vale]

not sure how

[wintry juniper]

[wraith brook]

What u idea in the end?
guess it better sound

[ancient needle]

I meant using Cez as a Newt replacement on HoO, but you don't even have Handel

[left vale]

again why would i have handel

[ancient needle]

For HoO DPS in MA?

[wraith brook]

idk. i craft them for eden.
when dont have Kiana

[wintry juniper]

swap to HFS, INSTANTLY weap active (don't evade first)
then evade backwards or forwards don't matter, switch to HoFin then instantly click her weap, you'll get the QTE

[glad ice]

new acc dont have handel, should be understandable

[wintry juniper]

styxx isn't new

[left vale]

im not a new acc

[wintry juniper]

there's a difference between new

and lazy

[wraith brook]

i try but,
guess im too slow in life

[left vale]

how is it lazy to not have handel

[glad ice]

oh then its lazy acc

[left vale]

i have no reason to craft the fucking set

[wintry juniper]

then why do you have so less ether fuel

[left vale]

crafting p2 stigmata

[glad ice]

1k fuel is def lazy

[wintry juniper]

watafak

[left vale]

also no TSP

[wintry juniper]

you're suffering from success getting weap early?

is that it

[wraith brook]

blew
i cant do that, why im so slow

[left vale]

veteran HI3 players learn about the abhorrent material scarcity in realtime

[wintry juniper]

I know it's scarce but I crafted 2 Handel set

[glad ice]

p2 stig is gachable unless u super lucky and get weap with 1st 10x

[wintry juniper]

and I have 4.4k fuel atm

[left vale]

if you havent been hoarding matz for 5 years they're all extremely low
im barely scraping by on every single mat lmao

[wintry juniper]

while also not playing for 3 months

bro what

ok hold on, why are you crafting p2 stig

do you get weap that early is that why

[left vale]

got lucky on carnival with lantern in 8.1

had to craft her stigs

had to craft a helia stig

[wintry juniper]

with her weap?

[left vale]

no shes weapless

[glad ice]

[wintry juniper]

so why the stig?

[glad ice]

nice

[wintry juniper]

I think that's bad decision

[left vale]

so i can use her

[wintry juniper]

without weap

wtf

[left vale]

lmao
i still got t1 in my bracket on fire tank

[glad ice]

because vbs weap

[wintry juniper]

if that's the case

where's your reso

8.1 is long ago

[left vale]

stigma resonance?

[wintry juniper]

ya

[wraith brook]

MAN
sry, i better focus other boss, since i not going crazy adn have energy for game

[wintry juniper]

you definitely spend some for smth idk what tho

[left vale]

i don't spend my stigmata resonance

what would i even spend it on
red lens? lmao

[wintry juniper]

you earn 240 each week, 8.1 is like 20weeks ago

that's 4800

so how did you have lesser

[glad ice]

hofs 1st will mess up ur MeiM buff. its only 4s so by the time ur hoo is on field it already gone

[left vale]

not logging in every week

[wintry juniper]

so you didn't login 1 whole week?

[left vale]

didnt play for last couple weeks of 8.3

[wintry juniper]

but even then

your acc is way before 8.1

[wraith brook]

so

[wintry juniper]

if you never spend any reso before

[glad ice]

didnt play and deny being lazy

[wintry juniper]

you still should have way over 3k

[left vale]

not lazy just dont want to play the game lmao

[wintry juniper]

see why it make 0 sense

I didn't play for 3 months, I understand that feeling

[left vale]

i bought fullset sswords from exchange when it came in the shop

[wintry juniper]

my last login before today was back in May

[wraith brook]

ok, what u idea?
if other do the same no?

[wintry juniper]

ok there you go that's why

[glad ice]

best rot is already demonstrated by asaphie. switch hofi, use weap, switch hofs, evade, qte hoo and etc

[left vale]

don't ever use HoS but somehow still don't regret it

i have plenty of stigs i could salvage but that would take 24h for them to unlock

[wintry juniper]

I mean

I would do the same dw

[left vale]

could salvage my jst tm

[wintry juniper]

at least now there's a reason

[left vale]

i dont feel like doing that tho i like having jst

i might could salvage horb stigs but like
i wouldnt do that to my girl

[wintry juniper]

nah don't

it's just MA

I've played 6 years to know when to try and when not to

[glad ice]

and ur problem is lacking hoo atk so u cant kill with ult. need to kill with ult for good score

[wintry juniper]

this isn't worth it

[wraith brook]

well, guess i need apologize for wasting ur time brub

how much we get Abbys?

[ancient needle]

Now hear me out: Turg PPM on HoFs and JST Cez on HoO

(never let me cook again)

[wraith brook]

[left vale]

i have turg paga on hofs lmao

[ancient needle]

Paga?

[left vale]

the shield is lowkey fat

[glad ice]

no?

[ancient needle]

ig that's better than nothing

[wintry juniper]

Sampo shield isn't fat if you have enuf ele taken or tdm taken

2 weap cast from HoO and it breaks

with overflow

[glad ice]

jst cez?

wat jst doing here

[wintry juniper]

teammate is trolling

ignore

[ancient needle]

[glad ice]

aight

[left vale]

im about to just throw LV at this bitch

[wintry juniper]

can't believe I came back to Hi3 to bully you again

[wraith brook]

[ancient needle]

Actually, would sig TM Cez B work, lemme check

[left vale]

no

[wintry juniper]

I mean I have SS HoO I have no say

can't test shit since can't downgrade ranks

;v

[glad ice]

do u have zhenyi

[left vale]

no

[quick birch]

i could 0 sec without any m stig so probably but i'd assume ranks are the dealbreaker

[ancient needle]

Wait, her HoO is S2? 🧱

[left vale]

yes my hoo is s2

[wintry juniper]

ya idk what styxx doing

I was recently told that HoO was given free twice

which would net me SS1

[left vale]

i didnt play in 6.4 gng

[wintry juniper]

and SS0 for those who didn't get her on debut

[ancient needle]

Well, you should still have SS

[wintry juniper]

so

[left vale]

and how would i go about having SS teammate

[sweet flax]

you can get her to ss from stamps in pwo and elysian realm

[wintry juniper]

2 free HoO = S2
frags from ER = SS

[left vale]

i cant get it from reserve works because i need to get dkeys
i cant get it from GWO because i make 250 orbs per week

[left vale]

you cant get 2 free hoo unless you played in 6.4

[wintry juniper]

ok that wasn't informed

[ancient needle]

Why is your PWO income so low tho

[left vale]

because i only have enough AW to buy LE frags every week
shes my only maxed S WT valk

[ancient needle]

Yes, that's 750 per week

[left vale]

oh 750 per week then

[wintry juniper]

I did max LE only for a long time

[left vale]

wtf no

[wintry juniper]

it is 750