👶beginner-help

[silver patio]

YOU CAN GET MISS PINK ELF IN DORM SUPPLY?

[abstract sequoia]

you can get her in war treasury too

[quick birch]

she's also free from war treasury

[silver patio]

Yes but too long

[quick birch]

getting a specific character from dorm supply is extremly unlikely since there are a lot of S ranks in there already so it'll just take longer

[abstract sequoia]

you don't have another realistic option. wasting crystals on dorm supply is the worst thing you can do

[silver patio]

Yes

[abstract sequoia]

pull tickets for dorm are separate though, use these freely. Especially this patch because of the ongoing spending event

[storm lantern]

she's guaranteed and u dont need her faster for any reason idk what the problem is

[abstract sequoia]

just keep doing your Memorial Arena to get more Ancient Willpower

[silver patio]

I NEED MORE HONKAI SHARD

Oh i have elysian realm unlocked

[abstract sequoia]

okay, those are made out of AE Imaginon

[silver patio]

What

[abstract sequoia]

and you get those from open world and asterite shop

[storm lantern]

elysia event has honkai shards and ae imaginon, aside from that u can get imaginons from a lot of places

[abstract sequoia]

yea 50 AE for 1 shard

[storm lantern]

events tend to give a lot of mats but not too many xtals

[silver patio]

Whats AE

[abstract sequoia]

these things

[silver patio]

Oh

Ive already got that its only 1 right?

ELYSIAA

[forest marlin]

which Valkyrie should i be using

[slim blaze]

Against which boss

Storywise you use trial valks anyways after p1 ch6

Or was it ch 9

[silver patio]

6

[forest marlin]

Q mani

[slim blaze]

Im not familiar with q manifold boss. But is songque your only gacha p2 valk?

[forest marlin]

s rank

?

[slim blaze]

Yes base S rank

[forest marlin]

ya

any tips ??

yo @slim blaze

[slim blaze]

You can try Jds TA vbm i guess

[forest marlin]

what does the new event about the summer resort give exactly ??

[thick bolt]

skin, mats, crystals etc
whatever you can see in the event shop

[forest marlin]

alr

ty for the help guys

[west forum]

buy Coralie and Helia fragments at asterite shop every weak*, really useful later in elysian realm

[lyric anvil]

Every week

[silver patio]

Is it easy to get asterites??

[lyric anvil]

Yes

[silver patio]

Really so its okay for me to spend 13k asterites?

[silver patio]

?

[west forum]

yup, i always spend them lol

dont save them imo

[lyric anvil]

Main priority I believe is to SSS VBm with em

[silver patio]

I got pri arm of fdd

[silver patio]

Hey

Oh okay thres 2 types nvm

[spiral badge]

!faq asterite

[small willow]

Asterite Priority

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view the Asterite Priority list!
-# Aimed at beginner accounts.

Also see Professor Sairaan's Asterite Sources breakdown [here](#👶beginner-help message).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

maybe you can check my guide here if you're struggling to get more.

but nowadays asterite needs are much less than they used to be. Only really need to prioritize VBm coralie to max as Riley said, and VBs Helia to maybe just S rank. The priority list in the first link has more details

[vital hearth]

On HoO i only have T and M sig pieces what can i play on the B stigma? is Benares playable?

[spiral badge]

for what kind of purpose are you using her? as a main dps? as a support to hofi? does hofi have her divine key?

[vital hearth]

for hofi with divine key

[spiral badge]

the 2pc does have a supporting effect but the T and M pieces only really help cycle through her attacks quicker. i'm not sure if these are necessary if she's just swapping in once to support hofi per rot

you might want to try something else entirely like turgenev TB

benares B doesn't really make sense for this purpose

but if you have cezanne B you can try that with raiden TM since cez b triggers off of combo attacks. No idea how it compares against turg

[vital hearth]

im have to wait i want to get the last stigma from BP next time

[spiral badge]

what kind of focus do you have on the game?

if you're going for meta gains then i would more recommend picking up divine keys if you don't already have them

!faq crystallum

[small willow]

Immutable Crystallums

Hey there, Captain!

Crystallums are a Battle Pass Currency that can be exchanged for Valkyries and Equipment in the Reserve Works. Captains who purchase Knight or Paladin BP can also access the BP Works of that patch for 3 versions.

There are 3 BP tiers offering different amounts of Crystallums as follows:
-# The totals below account for the 2 Crystallums in the Dorm Shop.

• Vanguard (F2P) BP: 5 per patch
• Knight BP: 18 per patch
• Paladin BP: 24 per patch

It is recommended to spend your Crystallums on Divine Keys that you have yet to collect for permanent account-wide ATK bonuses. See the list [here](#👶beginner-help message).

Feel free to ask us for account specific advice - especially if you buy BP!

[spiral badge]

check the link at the bottom

HoO certainly benefits notably at 3pc but her uses are quite niche at this point. Earlier players may not have her/and the rest of trio as ranked as veterans to compete well either even if her niche cases does show up

but if you just want to complete her set for sentimental reasons then that's more fair

[vital hearth]

i just love the Trio so i want to fully gear them

[spiral badge]

alrighty that reason is valid enough. a divine key on its own isn't usually significant anyway

but do keep in mind enough of them do add up notably especially if you ever want to contest at higher abyss

[frosty kernel]

is it better to wait for a multi summon? or doing singles are the same?

[spiral badge]

there's no difference between single and multi as far as getting stuff goes

[frosty kernel]

there's no soft pity right?

[spiral badge]

even if you single your way to 10 pulls, if you don't get anything until the 10th, then that last pull will be a 4* weap or stig

not sure for weapon banner. I want to say no

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[vital hearth]

im in Redlotus quite consistently

[spiral badge]

exalted?

(captain level 81 and above)

[vital hearth]

yes

[storm lantern]

multis are faster, singles have no chance of getting unwanted dupes

up to you

[spiral badge]

maybe add a comma or line break separating the two points here but yeah

[frosty kernel]

kinda need her wep fast for the abyss xD

i guess doing singles is fine then, maybe i got early

[storm lantern]

punctuation is too hard

[spiral badge]

i guess editing is too lol
oh you actually did it lol

[spiral badge]

ok you sound largely fine then unless you personally want to bounce into nirvana or even try to retain in it

while it's outside of recommendations and the effort to gain ratio isn't usually worth it for most people, we can still help

[vital hearth]

not really Redlotus is enough for me atm

[frosty kernel]

bruh

[storm lantern]

what

[spiral badge]

as far as actual pulls go, there's no difference. Kanbaeru is just talking about the process on the player side

[frosty kernel]

ohh i thought multi's are guaranteed you know, 4 star while singles isnt

[spiral badge]

as i've said earlier, even if you single your way to your 10th, you are guaranteed

so let's say you single pull all the way to the weapon. You have to watch that crate falling and opening animation every single time

whereas if you multi pull you only watch it once for those 10 pulls

but a single copy of the weapon is all you need for most intents and purposes. F2p players may not want to overspend, and pinch pennies to save as much as possible when they can

[frosty kernel]

yeah that's makes sense

[frosty kernel]

dw i only want one, i had no pulls left xd

[spiral badge]

so if you do a ten pull, and get lucky on the weapon's first copy before pity, but then get lucky on a second copy in that same ten pull, then that's a bit of wasted pulls

(it's hard to complain when you get lucky but f2p can run into cases where every pull may count or be a few pulls short on the next banner)

[frosty kernel]

ah you right

[spiral badge]

there are still benefits to a second copy ofc. It's just not as great as a first copy of weapon

[frosty kernel]

now that i think about it, thank god i didnt get dupes for my coralie. I got her on my first slot of 10 pulls

[frosty kernel]

feels like on the game saving pity is better

[spiral badge]

depends on the player

[storm lantern]

it matters more for weapon than valk banners since base rates are higher

[spiral badge]

i personally ten roll the first few, then start single pulling later

if i get lucky in the early pulls with a dupe roll, i'm ahead of my planned budget anyway

[frosty kernel]

ah well i am close to pity anyway so yeah singles prolly the best option here

[spiral badge]

i'm also in the highest tier of the game where there are whales and players who play well

so even a tiny boost is more meaningful to me because people are scoring pretty close to each other

anyway enough about me. Just want to give you that idea/perspective/insight

[frosty kernel]

true, but for me getting a new copy of something is the best here

[spiral badge]

yeah

[frosty kernel]

yeah thanks for the insight

[lyric anvil]

Getting close to that tier

[spiral badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/505602263696277524.gif?v=1

[prisma oyster]

ik breakthrough is encourage and it gives better rewards but im just not that confident with the team i have rn (fdd and paws fully built) do u have any tips and maybe how high up can i survive in abyss

its mostly cuz even in masters there are campers

[quick birch]

should be a comfortable a3/rl bounce, if you get next patches valk RL retain seems even more likely

[frosty kernel]

btw getting characters to do for ER, do you need to build them as well?

[spiral badge]

you don't need to level them up or buy their skills. ER maxes that. What ER doesn't max are the valk ranks and it doesn't give them equipment

but as far as getting the permanent 620 crystals for valks you don't plan to invest in, you don't need ranks or gear either

shallow sequence gives you a trial version that's more geared to use instead

[prisma oyster]

is jt like, reset 1 a3, reset 2 rl, reset 3 a3, reset 4 rl etc?

[spiral badge]

and leveling them up is a cumulative process you can do with lower dificulties

[frosty kernel]

nice thats good to know, cuz i am trying to get vb here

[spiral badge]

for getting the weekly 500 crystals, you can just stick with one valkyrie as long as she stays good enough for ER (and ER doesn't powercreep rapidly either)

VB?

VBm for coralie? VBs for helia?

or do you mean valkyrie bladestrike mei?

[frosty kernel]

yes this one

[spiral badge]

the augment form of that is striker fulminata which is what people would more refer to

i don't think the base form is available in ER

granted fulm has the unfortunate abbreviation of StFu. I think there's another shorthand but idr if it's fulm or something else lol

anyway glossary can answer that

anyway what's important is we're on the same page now. Just giving you the details so you know for next time if you ever have to mention it again

[frosty kernel]

too bad i need to complete this whole chapter to do anything in ER. I didnt wanna get spoiled yet

[frosty kernel]

yeah but you need the base form first to unlock no? i am farming both either way

[spiral badge]

yeah that's correct

[prisma oyster]

does anyone have the abyss xtal sheet (?) thingy, like how many xtal u get from each rank

or total u can for a patch

[lone crater]

rly, i rmb doing it without the augment form unless im delulu

[frosty kernel]

well on er indeed it shows on the augment form

[spiral badge]

maybe i'm wrong

[lone crater]

or im delulu

[spiral badge]

i vaguely recall some player working on delta just to accomplish this

well we can prob try turning off the core and seeing if it lets us enter

something came up for me just now though so i'll have to check later

[quick birch]

@prisma oyster this faq has a few abyss ranks listed

note that this is calculated with 6 week patches so your income will be higher per patch now

the faq also doesnt contain every abyss rank but the once relevant to you should be mentioned there

[lone crater]

u can go in without it being unlocked

same for delta

maybe they changed it who knows

[spiral badge]

oh ty for checking

[lone crater]

nw im using it as an excuse to procratinate at work

[spiral badge]

maybe the case i was thinking of just never checked if roza instead of delta would work lol

[lone crater]

ded valks nobody cares anymore anyways

i didnt realise she had 2 augment cores one for her mech version and stfu

alr forgotten

[fervent hemlock]

hello, i just finished the tutorial, is it worth pulling in starter supply?

[quick birch]

no, focus on the valk in battlesuit supply, fate defying dragon

[fervent hemlock]

should i pull her when i have the means?

ill pull her now

[quick birch]

beginners are easily able to afford a valk + weapon 2 patches b2b so yeah, get her and her weapon

[fervent hemlock]

scam i thought gold meant i got it

[storm lantern]

if you think you aren't gonna be able to play enough to get the xtals to guarantee her you can save 16.8k xtals and spend anything more than that on the valk banner, not necessarily recommended since next patch is very likely to be a spending event (xtals not real money) but it is an option

if you're gonna play a lot you can just pull on her banner then the weapon banner after you get her

[fervent hemlock]

i see, i do plan to play a lot

ill go with it

[frosty kernel]

btw which one is the most valuable here? i am thinking hohe fragments for personal preference.. but i feel like source prisms are very good to pick

[storm lantern]

everything in there is bad but source prisms are especially bad, wait for them to add stamps for the next dkey valk

[frosty kernel]

hmm i see

[storm lantern]

hohe stamps do very little if you have her dkey and team and actual nothing if you dont

[frosty kernel]

also are those stamps for only rank ups?

[quick birch]

yeah

[storm lantern]

yes you can't unlock the valk with them

[frosty kernel]

ah i see

[fervent hemlock]

do i need to save resources for upgrading or will it be fine to be a spendthrift upgrading every character i got?

[frosty kernel]

i figured

[ancient needle]

Spending mindlessly is not really a good idea (though not a disaster either)

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[ancient needle]

These are the team comps you could invest into while you're getting the new Coralie

[ancient needle]

The team comp for her is pinned

[fervent hemlock]

as of now i only have coralie

swallowtail so awesome

[fervent hemlock]

where is the inventory?

[thick bolt]

Equipment tab from the bridge

[prisma oyster]

should i level up fdd or paws weap first

(pri arm)

[shadow gyro]

hmm maybe paws first because the boss after is her boss and you might use paws in the next next boss if you don't have vita

[left hill]

guys where can I see the starter bonuses cuz I kind aforgot which of my hoyo acc I used while starting the game 4 months ago so

[ancient needle]

Starter Manual in the bottom middle of the main menu

If you don't have that, the beginner event is over on the acc

[left hill]

i am going through the tutorial rn

should I able to see it rn?

[ancient needle]

Can only tell for sure right after it

[left hill]

or after the tutorial ends

aigth

there is a starter manual in the bottom

[ancient needle]

Nice

[left hill]

is it that?

[ancient needle]

Yup

[left hill]

nice

around what level the tutorial will end?

which one am I supposed to spend my crystals one as a starter?

[lone crater]

none

u just save for the new battlesuit + weap

[left hill]

I save for this banner?

[lone crater]

yes, but 30 days left idk if u can guarantee her and her weap, u could just skip entirely and wait for next patch

[left hill]

I see

[lone crater]

if u grind then u could make it

30 days is still long

but if ur not grindy then u prob wont make it

[left hill]

I have genshin and hsr too so I don't think I can make

I don't like her design anywaysI'll hold of till next patch

but the pity carry over right?

[lone crater]

yes

though if u do wanna thorw pulls in cuz ur addicted to gamba, try to reserve enough to guarantee the weap

this game u no weap basically no valk in some sense

weap is 60 pulls

[left hill]

then I'll pull on this banner if I can get near within a week (idk myself how much I grind tbh) then I'll get her and weapon otherwise I'll refrain

[ancient needle]

Should be more than enough even with regular progression, no?

[ancient needle]

But being extra safe doesn't hurt, ye

[lone crater]

i have no idea so just being safe

and its entirely up to how grindy the person wants to be

just dailying wont get enough tho

[ancient canopy]

is anything here worth having or should i just get the asterite?

[hearty sequoia]

How can i change the character back to my main?

[lone crater]

susannah overtime t

[ancient canopy]

ty

[quick birch]

either go inot p2 story and leave while you play the character that should be on the bridge or click on your name at the top left and then click on change bridge at the bottom left

then you can follow this for p1 bridges

[wispy aurora]

Whats a good team to use for Abyss boss this week (No HoFi trio)

[sweet flax]

do you have rs

[wispy aurora]

❌

[sweet flax]

see you next abyss

you could try brute forcing with paws or fws if you have them

[wispy aurora]

[wispy aurora]

I got them so I'll give it a go

[sweet flax]

is it flower rn? the boss

[quick birch]

yeah

[quick birch]

you dont have HoO SS and HoFi + dkey per chance ?

i assume no but better be sure

[wispy aurora]

No HoFi, HoO or HoTr

Im cooked

[ancient needle]

Vita DPS

Should be solid

Lemme try rq actually

Got 708 with a slightly scuffed run

[sour valve]

Would Chenxue be good to get for my Kiana team?

[ancient needle]

Oh, wait, no HoFi at all
Got 682 with double Cora supps

[sweet flax]

oh ye I forget if he had fdd vita dps is still an option

[ancient needle]

While she is an upgrade for trio, AOs are generally not recommended to get unless you frequently are in Nirvana

Also she really wants SS in RoO teams

[sweet flax]

wait how does s chen compare to 3* kiaelf

or 4* kiaelf

[ancient needle]

About equal iirc? Not 100% sure

Not much utility though

[sour valve]

oh okay

[ancient needle]

Also trio is a niche team in general

[sour valve]

I still don’t have an AO besides the starter one lol

[sweet flax]

which is more than enough

especially if not in nirv

[sour valve]

oh okay

[quick birch]

people tend to underestimate DS, gacha AOPs arent better than her in every single team

[sweet flax]

should think of it like this, she works in every ao team, gacha ops only work in their dedicated teams and even then require ranks to be as beneficial of an increase compared to ds

[sour valve]

ohh

[ancient needle]

I feel like it's more about overestimating gacha AOs

ig it's both

[sweet flax]

btw is trio or hoo dps the better team in abyss

[ancient needle]

Surely that's not a genuine question

[sweet flax]

well the only time I fought flower was in ma

[ancient needle]

[sweet flax]

so im being genuine

[ancient needle]

Trio

[sweet flax]

ty

[worldly kestrel]

I'm planning to make another account since my old one is well old, is it still worth it to do part 1 and 1.5. Since its unbelievably long or is the rewards worth it

[ancient needle]

Well, it is a massive source of crystals, can be quite important for pulling the current patch's valk + weap

But you don't really need to grind hard either rn

[worldly kestrel]

Because this would be the third time, and it felt so long doing it all over again and now I need to do it all over again 😭

[ancient needle]

Well, you can see how your pulls go and decide from there

[worldly kestrel]

Okay perfect just wanted to see if there is a faster way other than skipping

[ancient needle]

Nah

[nocturne rampart]

Hi everyone, is it a good time to start?

Omg just watched Fate-Defying Dragon, is she on banner rn?

[shell basin]

Yes

And she’s the reccomended pull for new accounts

This is a pretty good time to start because FDD is good for beginners and then there’s a big anniversary next patch

[shell basin]

You’ll have to level up a bit to get access to her banner but you can do that just by playing ingame it goes by really fast

You can reroll for her if you want to spend the time but it’s not needed for newbies, just means it might take a few days for you to get the crystals

[nocturne rampart]

Wait really? but like doing story?

[shell basin]

Yeah you only need to hit a very low level threshold and the game just feeds you experience at low levels

[nocturne rampart]

Is she really good?

[shell basin]

Yes. She is currently the newest release, so she’s getting a lot of shill in competitive content, and she’s expected to be a best-in-slot support for a while going forwards

[nocturne rampart]

Game is downloading, Ill give reroll a couple tries, i dont mind

[nocturne rampart]

Niceee

[shell basin]

Here’s a link to the rerolling guide if you want some info but it’s not too complicated if you’re familiar with gacha games : #👶beginner-help message

[nocturne rampart]

Thanksss

[austere umbra]

can i only use theresa in everlasting memory?

[shell basin]

HoV is perfectly fine in main story until they start making you use trial battlesuits, at which point you can’t use any of your own people at all

[nocturne rampart]

Got her on the first acc, thats amazing, now i just save or try to get equipment?

[shell basin]

Try to get her weapon. Her stigmas will appear as you do it and if you get the weapon early enough that you don’t have them all they can be crafted

[shell basin]

If you want to play for meta then new 8.5 battlesuit will really want two gacha supports but gacha battlesuits will never pay for themselves in crystals, the added income they give is much less than they cost to pull unless you’re absurdly lucky

So if your goal for hi3 is to get all the characters you want you can just save for them perfectly fine

[lyric anvil]

Don't forget the stigma box if you get weapon early

[shell basin]

Yeah you have a stigma box you can use to select whatever stigma you didn’t roll in case you get two of them but not the third from gacha

[frosty kernel]

i wonder is it worth to pri arm? i know you cant upgrade higher than lvl 50 atm

for me at least

[lyric anvil]

Yes, extra DMG and utility when you Priarm

[nocturne rampart]

Oh so here i can claim her wp?

[left vale]

no

you can choose 1 of her stigmata. if you get the weapon early you'd want to use it to get a stig you're missing, if you're missing one

[nocturne rampart]

Ohh i see

[lyric anvil]

No, if you get her weapon early in the banner but didn't get a certain stig, you can choose from the box

Oop

[nocturne rampart]

This is the one i need right?

[left vale]

yes

[lyric anvil]

Mhm

[nocturne rampart]

Omg she looks amazing

[nocturne rampart]

I like meta

So stigmatas are like artifacts?

[left vale]

kinda, they're a bit like an artifact set

[shell basin]

Sort of but without the rng. It's more like stigma + wep together are the equivalent of signature light cones / weapons? But unlike say HSR it's almost impossible to cope with someone else's sig

outside of very rare circumstances

[lyric anvil]

Without the rng stats

[left vale]

except you don't have to farm domains for them and they're way more beefed up. i won't say there's no affix/substat grinding, because there is, but you don't have to worry about that for a while

and it doesn't require making multiple stigmata

[nocturne rampart]

Ohh i see, thats nice

So full focus story right?

[shell basin]

You should be following your beginner manual and doing your dailies as well so you don't miss temporary/recurring rewards but yeah doing story is the easiest way to level up and get one time crystals

and levelling up unlocks more and better recurring crystal sources

like the elysian realm at level 50

[nocturne rampart]

OMG THE STELLAR OUTBURST

[shell basin]

dragonbreath gaming

[quick birch]

Make sure to get vbm and Vbs from the asterite shop for fdd if you haven't already

[nocturne rampart]

This game skills are insane wtf

[frosty kernel]

it seeems is kinda impossible to get promoted for me rn

[quick birch]

Exalted RL can be tough sometimes you're using fdd/vbm/Vbs yeah ?

[frosty kernel]

yup

[quick birch]

What stigmata are they using ?

[frosty kernel]

here

tbh i just pri arms fdd wep maybe its better this time

[quick birch]

Try ogier T fhm MB on vbm
And 3pc roald amundsen on vbs

Darwin does basically nothing for fdd and since you don't switch to Vbs anyway roald is a pretty cheap stig set which is active all the time

[frosty kernel]

ah you right, gotcha

[quick birch]

For now you can use HoV with chars like SI/TA/RC pretty much anything will work in early game and she's pretty nice until you get a proper unit

[upper oracle]

what should trio be scoring on RL

[ancient needle]

Easy 800+

Actually, it can depend on your AO

And your ranks ofc

[upper oracle]

uhh

batslana

and

s2 hotr
s3 hoo
s2 hofi

@ancient needle

[ancient needle]

Oof

[upper oracle]

i can get to ss hoo if that changes anything

[sweet flax]

eh?

[ancient needle]

You probably can match this damage then
https://youtu.be/LJAG1dHxavc?si=YBqRC83kMVL8eEMk

The DS ref ofc

[sweet flax]

hoo ranks are mainly for her dps not hofi's

[upper oracle]

ah

[sweet flax]

although it can contribute to team dmg tbf

[ancient needle]

Should be doable with 4* Kia, no?

In NA

[sweet flax]

I got surprised because im on 744 lmfao

didnt know my run was that bad

[upper oracle]

3*

[ancient needle]

Yeah, I remembered

[upper oracle]

oh wait

HOO doesnt do her big boom?

[ancient needle]

Smh RS is like -14 (if not less)

[lone crater]

wat boom

[upper oracle]

her 3 stack charged attack

[sweet flax]

cut me some slack this is my first non-cope trio run

[ancient needle]

Are you watching the CX run

[upper oracle]

oh

does that part change

im just watching the first part for fun

[ancient needle]

Your damage output could differ, experimenting a bit doesn't hurt

[upper oracle]

gotcha

[lone crater]

i got 1min ad, tldr it for me plz
did he do all 1so or

[ancient needle]

DS is 1 SO

Lemme check CX

[upper oracle]

CX is 2

damn how did their hofi get so much sp

[ancient needle]

Ye

[upper oracle]

i cant ult twice back to back

[lone crater]

record urself / u unlocking bronya's weap as the vid does?

[upper oracle]

ye ill try copy the run first

[frosty kernel]

my best run, i guess i just didnt have enough dmg atm

[odd plume]

what is your team?

[upper oracle]

damn im missing like 12 sp

ill take a 719 tho

[tired maple]

Proud of myself, managed to beat red lotus manifold, with like 40 seconds on the clock

[upper oracle]

[frosty kernel]

The f2p fdd team

[left vale]

what the FUCK is that score gap 💀

[ancient needle]

Surprised myself tbh

[left vale]

i got 760
my HFI is S0, S2 HTR, S2 HoO
SS SQ
this abyss is ass

i hate flower so bad 😭 it's so tanky and transition eats like 100 points

[sweet flax]

is there a fucking secret trio ritual that I missed or something I cant get more than 758 now with s2 hofi and ss hotr

[left vale]

just git gud idk

im RL not nirv tho

[ancient needle]

Well, did you check Hieu's ref alr

[ancient needle]

They're RL as well

[sweet flax]

I got a stroke watching it that's all I can say

[left vale]

wtf

what asop @sweet flax

[sweet flax]

ss ds, tried s chen and 3* kiaelf but similar results

[ancient needle]

Getting a stroke after watching a trio ref is impressive ngl

[left vale]

are u using SO in first rot

[sweet flax]

no

[left vale]

so wtf

ig cuz im using SS SQ

lmao pleb

[sweet flax]

literally never used trio in my life ok

[ancient needle]

Just gotta get familiar with the team in your case it looks like

[left vale]

after you get familiar with trio there's essentially 0 variation with rots

[tired maple]

can you only get max rewards on deep sequence if you do corruption or is there another way

[sweet flax]

2.25x max for crystal rewards
2.5x for emblem

[left vale]

this boss is just trying to fit as much in the transition as possible to make p2 easier

[ancient needle]

Yes

[slim blaze]

Dang CX users and their double SO in RL

[left vale]

dont need double SO in RL

[ancient needle]

Hieu does double SO with CX

Which makes sense

[left vale]

i dont see a reason to

unless finger gun ult does more core dmg

i just used joint ult

[tired maple]

Ok only looking for crystals..so 2.25x, need like 4.8k crystals so need as many as I can get lol

[ancient needle]

It's just more overall damage? idk what reason you want xdd

[left vale]

don't need finger gun ult in p2 cuz boss not as tanky in rl

[sweet flax]

have you already chcked the 1 time crystal sources pin

[left vale]

maybe it's required in SEA

[ancient needle]

Ye, it could be different in EU/NA

[left vale]

in NA i can kill with basic trio sequence

[slim blaze]

Yeah but its like 40 pt gap

[tired maple]

The huh

[left vale]

yeah chenxue is beyond broken lmfao

[ancient needle]

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[left vale]

thats why i need her

[slim blaze]

Swipe swipe

[sweet flax]

at 3:17 in hieu le ref how the fuck does his hotr throw the thing I thought you could only do that after a weapon skill

[left vale]

bro is not familiar with hotr

[ancient needle]

It's CA iirc

[left vale]

that's the finishing sequence of her BA

[sweet flax]

she has a ca?

[ancient needle]

The finishing sequence is the attack right before that though

[sweet flax]

but her ba only does the swipe at the end it doesnt throw

[left vale]

i just spam BA and it does that
idk

[upbeat egret]

[dry python]

Not in rl lol

[left vale]

yes

i need her

[storm lantern]

i needed chenchen cause im trying to retain with vita dps 🥀

[ancient needle]

Vita DPS should be good enough with DS tho

What's T10

[storm lantern]

idk no one has played yet

[ancient needle]

You can do like 710 with FDD HoFi supps

Maybe more

[lyric anvil]

[ancient needle]

For reference, my attempts with RS and S Teri were at 730

[storm lantern]

i got 726 so far, doesn't feel capped but i dont really want to play more until i see my bracket's scores

[ancient needle]

Not bad

If your CX is SS you probs can go the double SO route

It does make the run more difficult ofc

Darius has a ref for the old supps

[storm lantern]

yeah thats double ring with vbm

[ancient needle]

Ah

Well, try 1 SO as well then

[lyric anvil]

PAWS, FDD, FWS

[upbeat egret]

No ps?

[lyric anvil]

Badum faster

And yes I do have PS, gotten lower though with her

[fallen shale]

my three DPSes are PAWS, FDD and PS, does it matter which one I use on this abyss?

seeing how none of them seem to be img

[thick bolt]

try PAWS
FDD dmg is a on non ignite

[fallen shale]

and she's better than PS in this context?

[abstract sequoia]

PAWS is the rawest damage you can get right now when not type countered

[fallen shale]

oh ok

[autumn oxide]

are ell?

[fallen shale]

nice to finally have a cycle where I don't have to use VBM at any point

[lyric anvil]

[west forum]

which stigmatas will be the best for Herrscher of Truth? Forge ones!! I got Ana Schariac (T) so far and I dont know which ones will be good

[lone crater]

forge arent good, think ana is the set which wants you to be close range, so u might wanna go for g4 ice instead

[west forum]

g4 ice? whats that

well i know forge arent best ones, but im too late for her banner and im broke to buy bp 😭

[west forum]

this one?

[lone crater]

ye, but that's for her as dps ig, for support you just go turg as cope

[west forum]

whats turg?

[lone crater]

but idk what purposes you have for her, but she won't perform well given you have nothing

[lone crater]

g3 support

[west forum]

I want her as support

[lone crater]

Turgenev

but i mean what you using her with anyways

do you have her weap as well

[west forum]

i will craft her weapon soon

domain of ascension

[lone crater]

u want sig not foundry weap

[west forum]

isnt that her sig?

[lone crater]

u cant craft it

unless u mean u alr have key of ascension which then yes u can pri arm and turn it into that

[autumn oxide]

rl?

[lyric anvil]

Yeah

[lone crater]

i see but who r u supporting with her

it wont rerun most likely because now its all p2 stuff

unlikely for hotr and suppose hypothetically it does happen, it will be new gears and stuff, so all her old ones will be irrelevant

there just isn't much point to trying to build hotr for your setup cuz you got nothing to work with anyways

well valks arent everything, gear also matters, i can't tell what gears you have, but if you want to piece something together, perhaps griseo/horb/senti or you swap one out for pardo, either way, i doubt it makes a big difference

u could save urself the effort from that and just wait and get more p2 valks and stuff, because you won't get very far with those valks that you have and no gear

[upbeat egret]

Badum is just 2 points faster but less damage overall tho

[lyric anvil]

True

[upbeat egret]

U should be able to do 660 atleast

[fervent hemlock]

hello i already got some free valkyries doing starter plan can someone send me again the comps for it

or what command to view them

[serene crystal]

Search for !faq fhm

[upbeat egret]

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[fervent hemlock]

thank you

im quite lost right now do i just go for pushing main story or do other pve contents but for q manigold im quite stuck at floor 10 not being able to finish the promotion challenge

for argony

[serene crystal]

What valks do you have?

The teams in there should also be able to deal with pre breakthrough abyss pretty reliably. I would focus on clearing abyss here.

[fervent hemlock]

oh no pic perms

[lyric anvil]

I can try

[fervent hemlock]

do i type them one by one?

or is there a role for pic perms

i dont even know what name to use for them

is it the above one or the bottom one

[serene crystal]

above

[quick birch]

You need to have the captain role it's mentioned at the bottom of the rules how to get it

[serene crystal]

and you should get full permissions by following the steps in #rules-en

[fervent hemlock]

thank you

i used griseo, kiana kaslana, and pardofelis for floor 10

[serene crystal]

Valkyrie blastmetal, Reverist Calico and I guess Starry Impression should be the best option here.
and sorry about the order remembered it wrong it should be the bottom one. At this point solo HoV should be fine however.

[fervent hemlock]

whats solo hov

[serene crystal]

Herrscher of Void without anyone else what are your stigmata and weapons on your characters?

[fervent hemlock]

i followed the one from the faq thingy for hov

but for others none yet

[fervent hemlock]

what level tho i feel like its quite tough even with these level

[serene crystal]

In general I would recommend getting Valkyrie Blastmetal's weapon from early part 2 and then use her with Wang Zhaojun

[fervent hemlock]

i dont know where is the part 2

im at chapter 4 tho from the start

where do i also grind get stigmata

[shell basin]

Attack -> story -> extinguished

[serene crystal]

go to here, go in under extinguished starlight and tides of time gone by and do the first half hour there, there is no connection to earlier chapters.

[shell basin]

there should also be a blue icon in the upper left you can look at, or you can go through your starter manual

[serene crystal]

For stigmata you generally craft them from the foundry or you get them as rewards.

[shell basin]

you can also just level up some more and get higher level valkyries, this is not a long term strategy because the abysses also get harder as you level, but only at each reset

[fervent hemlock]

why it doesnt have connection to earlier chapters?

[shell basin]

so if you get another 5 levels the abyss doesn't get harder

[sacred mango]

anyone know how to clear this puzzle? that 2 hay cant be burn or touch

[fervent hemlock]

im only rushing them because of starter maual since theres a day left now for the rewards

[serene crystal]

That part you are going to do doesn't, later it will connect back but the first 3 chapters are pretty much independent from earlier story.

[fervent hemlock]

i see

so finish until chapter 3?

[serene crystal]

Finish until you get the weapon

[fervent hemlock]

wtf it suddenly become hsr-ish

[silver patio]

Is there any consequences for picking ur strongest here? Like u cant use them outside elysian real,?

[dire cairn]

Is apho 2 the open world with highest chance of crystal missions?

[dry python]

no you unlock everyone you can eventually

[silver patio]

Ghanks! Also i have another questionn

Oh never mindd

Yall

Is it alright for me not to get any battlesuit in the s rank egg?

Ohnv,

Panxhs

[lone kindle]

!faq egg

[small willow]

S-Rank Valkyrie Option

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the in-depth explanation of what to choose!

Ai-chan recommends that you keep this egg until you have two from the following: Shadow Knight, Sixth Serenade and Goushinnso Memento. When you own two, unlock the one you are still missing.

[silver patio]

Soo no

Is miss oink elf no good outside er? Cuz i need someone else other than coralie

[lone kindle]

No, she has 0% practical usage outside er

[quick birch]

she's only really useful for the ER crystals if you need a second team for MA HoV + her signature should be enough for low level MA

[silver patio]

Whats MA

Oh

[quick birch]

memorial arena

[lone kindle]

Nowdays it almost can be resumed in:
If it has astral ring tag, "usefull"/isefull
If it doesn't: useless

[silver patio]

I want miss pink elf aa

[dry python]

adtral rong

[shell basin]

you can get her for free over time

[quick birch]

you can still get her most of the valks in WT are only usefull for ER crystals

[ancient needle]

Artral dong

[dry python]

[silver patio]

Yes i want to not get the S rank battle suits but get the 420 thingy but im scared thats a bad idea but i lowkey dont like the other people

[quick birch]

though completely meta orientated you'd want to choose a valk who's in ER and has a stress test though we can adjust that recommendation considering you're personal goals/favorites

[quick birch]

it's not really that bad of an idea

[silver patio]

I like elysia

[quick birch]

as said most of WT valks have really no use case and if only for niche SS/SSS MA stuff

[silver patio]

But isnt mpe signature weap reliant?

[shell basin]

If you want to get more ancient willpower to get her faster you can buy it for asterite in war treasury (up to 210 a month) and then you can also get more from APHO

[silver patio]

I know but..

[shell basin]

it goes by really quickly, I have only been playing for two patches so far and I have like 2/3 of them

[quick birch]

you wouldn't really use her tbh even if she'd be her signature is in the exchange shop but there are other things you should prioritise in there

[shell basin]

that said since it's farmable, if you get ancient willpower it's not like it's going to brick ur account or anything

it just means ull be a bit slower to get crystals

and then eventually have slightly fewer PWOs

[silver patio]

Like what .. also idk how i get those thingy for exchanging

[silver patio]

Pwos?

[shell basin]

Pure witch orbs

obtained from getting an S ran valkyrie to SSS and then getting more fragments

[silver patio]

What they do

[quick birch]

mainly oath of judah because it's a divine key, you can forge bounty weapons in the foundry and convert 1 bounty weapon into 1000 weapon resonance

[silver patio]

WhT

[shell basin]

you get those from forging bounty weapons (ether fuel and AE imaginions and g1 mats) and then you refine those weapons into weapon reso which can be used to get old sig weapons and oath of judah

[silver patio]

Oh

[shell basin]

you farm materials -> craft weapon -> turn weapon into materials -> turn materials into other kind of weapon

[silver patio]

How u refine

[quick birch]

in your inventory

[fervent hemlock]

does this mean next week?

promotion

[quick birch]

abyss resets twice a week so this friday

[silver patio]

How much u get per thingy

[fervent hemlock]

then after the it reset will i be agony?

[quick birch]

yes

[shell basin]

1000 per crafted weapon and then you need 4000 to get a weapon from the shop

[quick birch]

1 bounty weapon = 1000 weapon resonance

[silver patio]

Thats hard oof

[shell basin]

Not that hard but yeah it’s time consuming

[silver patio]

I mean yeah hard for me is time consuming

[shell basin]

Valid

[quick birch]

farming old gear can take quite some time but you can see it as a long time side goal for collection

it's not something you really have to rush since it'll always be available

[silver patio]

How many battle suits does elysia have?

2 right now right?

[shell basin]

2, ||soon to be three||

[quick birch]

2 || a third one next version ||

[silver patio]

How come when i spoil them like that but i still get warned

Oh i see

Never mind i remember that now

If its relating to helping its alright rt?

[quick birch]

yeah

just know that we can't really give you a lot of info about the 8.5 battlesuit since we basically now nothing

[silver patio]

Im planning to get all of elysia’s battlesuit so i am getting the 420.. even if its not the best option

They can wait

[quick birch]

it's not account bricking or smth MPE is fine

you don't have to make strict meta decisions all the time, we're just here to inform you about what you'd potentially miss out on but the main priority is still that you enjoy the game

[silver patio]

@quick birch

[quick birch]

[silver patio]

Can you keep repeating the same weapon again and again?

Imma eat

[quick birch]

to convert them into weapon resonance ? yeah you can, 3rd sacred relic is the cheapest by a few coins though you may opt to craft different once for collection points

[shell basin]

It’s not like I don’t get it either I absolutely whaled for the starter rush so I could get HoHE

Luckily there are plenty of free battlesuits for my bigger obsession fu hua

[quick birch]

if you have any other questions concerning elysia and her battle suits and gear feel free to ask

[silver patio]

@shell basin @quick birch thats what i was gonna ask next

IS the starter rush worth it?

Or if thats what its called

[silver patio]

I mostly want to get it for hoHe but i want the xtals too

[quick birch]

level rush is worth it for the crystals alone one of the best bundles you can get in that regard

HoHe is just a nice extra

[silver patio]

Imma save for it then

[storm lantern]

check the whaling pin also i think the 20% top up discount for visa purchases is still available but if it is its going away soon

[silver patio]

Also her dk is not worth it right?

[quick birch]

also note that the " worth it " is very subjective only spend if you can afford it

[quick birch]

not really, depending on your crystals once it reruns we can talk about it more then

i'm not completely opposed to it because she has the symbioses tag but it's not the absolute best decision

[storm lantern]

think about it in terms of how long it would take to get as a f2p rather than just comparing it to other purchases imo

[shell basin]

Yeah symbiosis tag + only 60 pulls is a solid argument for it

But she’s probably not going to be BiS support or anything

Outside of niche circumstance

HoHE isn’t bad support for symbiosis tho

And having 3 symbiosis units is a huge QoL improvement over 2

Could go either way depending on how many crystals you have and when it reruns

[silver patio]

I just found out.

I got the wrong mats

[shell basin]

What happened?

Were you farming the wrong mirage stages?

[silver patio]

Yes.

I got the g4 not the g1.

[shell basin]

Yeah oof. I had the same thing happen because the pin is not super clear. You can also speed things up by requesting the level 1 mats from your armada tho

And using time swirl passes

[silver patio]

How u do that

[silver patio]

THATS THE THING I SPENT THEM ON THE LAST STAGE

[shell basin]

You’ll get more

Beginners get a ton of them and even non beginners get a bunch

[shell basin]

If you’re in a large and active armada you can go to the warehouse and request the g1 mats

You will pay some coins and ranger creds and someone else will pay some of the g1 mats and you swap

If you aren’t in a large and active armada you should try to change that because you’re also missing out on crystals and sim battle loot

[silver patio]

What do i do with the g4 pure red crystalyte?

[shell basin]

You can turn it into ether fuel (you’ll also need a lot of that) or save it

I’d save it until you need the ether fuel because there’s some niche other uses and no reason to rush

But it’s not like worthless or anything

[silver patio]

So i cant swap them for the g1😭

[shell basin]

No sorry

[silver patio]

I hate this

[shell basin]

Yeah mirage farming is super annoying

One of my least favorite mechanics about hi3

[left hill]

a good starter taem for hercher of void?

[quick birch]

should be fine with HoV/TA/RC

[left hill]

I am new to the game so can'ya full form the Ta and RC?

[quick birch]

best to learn working with the glossary from the beginning

[silver patio]

I hate this i hate this

Whyd i have to do that

[shell basin]

you don't have to

[storm lantern]

dkeys are small buffs anyway doesn't matter much if you delay them a bit

[shell basin]

^

it also only matters if you're aiming for meta in the long run and if you burn out on HI3 before that because you forced yourself to no life grind for them

that's just self defeating lol

my advice is to not do any grinding you hate and let the chips fall where they may, and then eventually if you decide you want more meta goals to figure out what you need to do to get where you wanna be

[silver patio]

How much ancient will power do we get daily ?

[storm lantern]

#👶beginner-help message

[silver patio]

Wait i dont get this

[quick birch]

your income grows as you progress

[storm lantern]

it's for exalted, idk the masters numbers

[silver patio]

How much would you say,,.?

Without the buying part

[quick birch]

honestly no idea about masters but if you're still worried that MPE is a really bad choice she isnt

or is it more about when you'll get her ?

[silver patio]

No

[silver patio]

How do you know

[quick birch]

you get a feeling after helping beginners for some time

[silver patio]

Idek when i became like this i always calculate everything lol

[silver patio]

Lol

[storm lantern]

it's the super prof powers

[shell basin]

Uh I have been playing for two patches now and I've been able to buy like 6 guys from ancient willpower so far, give or take?

so 3 weeks a battlesuit is at least not horribly off

[silver patio]

6 guys?

[shell basin]

6 people

[silver patio]

Oh

How much do you get per day aghh

[left hill]

I don't got those chars would HoV Starry Impression and carole work?

[quick birch]

should be fine but those chars are free in the asterite shop and pretty good cope options so make sure to get them

regarding asterite also check the asterite investment list in pins

[left hill]

I am using HoV just to brute force the game's story I'll pull on gatcha to get part 2 teams later

when I have the crystals

[shell basin]

If you're in exalted (level 80+) you can get about 45 a day, if you're lower level it's more like 20-30 but you also get more 1 time sources

like APHO

[quick birch]

they'll still be useful for MA later on and also for some ER crystals

[silver patio]

Lets say 20 so ill be able to get her in5 days from now on?

[left hill]

one more thing where do I download the audio for part 1 story?

[shell basin]

She takes like 640 or 900 or smth to get from the shop but I don't know how many you have rn

[silver patio]

900

[silver patio]

I am getting the 420 and then 210 and i have 197 rn

How do you get the ancient will power in the apho?

[shell basin]

probably a bit more than 5 days since the 210 is included in the daily amount but if you do that and play actively it should be <2 weeks, probably a bit over 1?

[silver patio]

Is that the open world

[silver patio]

I already counted that in mine

[shell basin]

yeah "a post honkai oddessey". APHO 2 and part 2 also have some ancient willpower iirc

so playing open world will speed things up some

[silver patio]

Apho 2 and oart 2?

[shell basin]

its not gonna be a long wait either way tho

[shell basin]

There's "A post honkai oddessey" and "A post Honkai Oddessey 2" which are both open world maps featuring adam/carole/mei (and later others), and then there's part two of the main story which is a different open world map featuring Coralie and Helia and Senadina and such

if you just play actively you'll get Miss Pink Elf pretty quick

[silver patio]

How do you get them though?

Exploring?

Omg i have my first ancient legacy

[shell basin]

uh you get these keys from doing things that you then roll on a mini gacha that has rewards including ancient willpower. And those keys are from levelling up and doing the ruins and probably some other sources I forget

(ruins is an every other week format where you beat enemies in a time limit repeatedly and the more stages you clear the more rewards you get)

[silver patio]

But the keys are for ancient legacy

Oh its in the part 1.

Thats too long lol

[shell basin]

yeah you don't have to do it

[silver patio]

When do u get ruins

[shell basin]

It opens every other week in A Post Honkai Oddessey but if you haven't progressed the APHO story and levelled your APHO characters you won't get very far

[silver patio]

Wheres the ruins

[shell basin]

the ancient legacy is in the supply on the left side of the screen

[silver patio]

I dont habe that yet time to go to stories ig

[shell basin]

yeah if you're busy you can just not do that and you'll end up waiting a bit longer for MPE

[silver patio]

How much u get there?

[shell basin]

I can't emphasize enough that it's fine to not do grinding for it and you'll still get her for free but there's not any way to get her faster without either grinding or spending resources if you're busy you'll need to be a bit patiend

I think it's like 60 overall? not a ton

[silver patio]

60 in the ruins or?

[silver patio]

?

Oh overall

[silver patio]

Is this daily or?

[shell basin]

no, it's a one time source

[silver patio]

Oh u mean this is from ruins?

[shell basin]

no it's from the supply. But ruins gets you keys to pull from the supply

the supply isn't an infinite supply

[silver patio]

Oh.

[shell basin]

eventually you have gotten everything from it and then your keys dont do anything

[silver patio]

OHH

SO ruins give the keys?

[shell basin]

yes

[silver patio]

I have to do alot of pulls stil to get the wepon lol

[shell basin]

oh, no, different supply

this is the APHO supply which can give some crystals and coins and mats

[silver patio]

Oh

[shell basin]

not the gacha supply

that gives u fdd

[silver patio]

Wait iwas talking abt that though

[shell basin]

oh wait you mean pulls to get labor of olympus?

[silver patio]

Probably? Is that the name of the weapon of the dude

[shell basin]

yeah the greatsword

[silver patio]

Yes

[shell basin]

yes it's the same supply

you can get the keys from doing ruins and progressing the story and stuff like that

which you can turn into materials via the supply

[silver patio]

Bro this sucks

If only i got the ancient will powers from last month and didnt contemplate

Is that the right word

[shell basin]

procrastinate, maybe?

There's free stuff and paid stuff in this game. Free stuff requires you to be patient, either by grinding or waiting until you get it. Paid stuff costs crystals which you have a limited amount each day of unless you spend $

[silver patio]

Like think abt the thingy

[silver patio]

Can u pay for the ancent will power

[shell basin]

yeah you can buy the battlepass which gives some for free and also gives a bunch of other stuff including crystals

[silver patio]

Wit i still have 16 from memorial arena i havent gotten yet

[shell basin]

yeah you can go do that too

anyway sorry but I gtg, hopefully other people can help u

if u have any more questions

[silver patio]

Tnxx

@shell basin I STILL HAVE THIS

[left hill]

does starting chapters of HI3 doesn't have voice? or I am missing some audio files?

[odd plume]

too long, can't remember, and i mute all sound

[silver patio]

Missing

[left hill]

how do I download them there's none mentioning chapter 1 to 10

[thick bolt]

those that exist already come with base download, early chapters just dont have voice barring a couple sequences

[left hill]

alright thanks

[silver patio]

How do i get more source prism

[thick bolt]

#👶beginner-help message

starter book has a couple of missions that give prisms as well

[silver patio]

Wait a minute

@quick birch @shell basin how do u get mpe stigmatas?

[quick birch]

they're craftable in foundry but that'll take a long time

[silver patio]

@quick birch

What does transmute mean

Man

Is mpe even easy to get like her thingies

Stigmatas

Weapons..

[slim blaze]

Its one of the mechanics in foundry.

You can either craft it directly, or if you have the g3 stig Dirac, you can use that as a material to spend less g4 mats and ether fuel

And no, crafting will take quite some time

[silver patio]

Weeks?

Months?

[slim blaze]

Laughs in months

[silver patio]

Oh

MONTHS?

FOR WHAT

[slim blaze]

Months for one stig

[silver patio]

WHAT

AND I STILL HAVE TO GET HER WEAPON

Is this why they say dont invest into her

[muted shoal]

Yeah no not that much

[muted shoal]

Nah it's because she does jack even when completely maxed out

[slim blaze]

Its because she is a dead valk

[quick birch]

the main reason why it's not worth it to invest into her from a competetive point of view is that she has basically no use case

[slim blaze]

Wdym ether fuel is hard

Its like 1800 for one g4 aint it

[silver patio]

But this is one of them or?

Oh

Ether fuel is thatt.

[muted shoal]

Getting her stigs is the easy part

[slim blaze]

Still have to build up your balls

For weapon

And mpe alone is useless

[muted shoal]

The weap is from God knows where and getting her to SSS is like a year

[quick birch]

one of her use cases ? no when we're talking about use cases we're mainly reffering to abyss or MA ussage

[muted shoal]

Oh damn it got in there

[slim blaze]

Its in bp shop

10 balls

[silver patio]

I mean why not to invest into her

Is HoHe also this bad!

[slim blaze]

Powercreep dead valk

Even if u do get her

[lone crater]

u can do what she can do with other valk 10x less investment

[slim blaze]

Still need to rank up her p1 supports

And gear them

[lone crater]

when u have a lot of resources later on then u can still build her

[silver patio]

Is HoHe also this bad

[muted shoal]

She got a Dkey to give her Astral Ring so she's ok

[silver patio]

When was her last rerun

[slim blaze]

You mean thelema dkey

[slim blaze]

Hohe?

[silver patio]

Yes

Nevermind

Im done

Im getting only the ||new elysia|| THATS IT

ITS HARD BEING F2P

[slim blaze]

Shes so old shes in bp reserve

[silver patio]

U older though

[muted shoal]

The valk won't rerun, her dkey could come back in the next 2 patches

[quick birch]

it's not like being a whale would speed up the processes of farming a lot it's really just that farming takes time

[slim blaze]

Nah f2p is easy. Just takes more time.

Paying real money just makes you speedrun

[silver patio]

No i wouldnt have trouble getting all of elysia

[muted shoal]

You can't pay anything for MPE tho

[silver patio]

I MEANT

[slim blaze]

Really no trouble at all. Both of them farmable

[quick birch]

getting MPE is easy and HoHe just takes time

[slim blaze]

Mpe is just WT
Hohe is just balls

[quick birch]

a really long time that's fair but it's farmable technically

[silver patio]

Hard means long for me

Is mpe usable in MA at lvl 1

[slim blaze]

Just buy bp then for faster balls

[silver patio]

With no stigmatas and weapon

[lone crater]

wat u think

[silver patio]

What about HoHe

[silver patio]

Yes

[slim blaze]

Nice try

Need some more copium?

[muted shoal]

Nothing is duh

[lone crater]

ma kinda w/e though for you, so u can ignore for the most part

[slim blaze]

The real shit is abyss anyways

[silver patio]

Idk what that mean

[lone crater]

means u doint need 2 care about ma

[muted shoal]

MPE is already barely usable at SSS full team

[lone crater]

turning on buff mode and slowly killing the bosses for the prisms is all u need

14 clears

[silver patio]

Who said i was getting her✌️😂

[lone crater]

actually u dont even need 2 do sss for the prism

[silver patio]

Have all the new battlesuits become meta

[slim blaze]

Besides Ma gives like 140 crystals only per week.

And 100 of those can be gotten from LITE lmao

[silver patio]

Like every new release has been meta

[lone crater]

new battlesuits always meta

[slim blaze]

Yes. Thats the business model

[lone crater]

thats how they make money

[slim blaze]

Always was for every gacha game

Well maybe not every. But 95%

[quick birch]

some more than others but yes, next patch is also cn anni and that valk is normally extremly good

if a battlesuit wouldnt be meta it wouldnt sell

[silver patio]

Cookie run

[slim blaze]

Sometimes they just throw you a bait

[muted shoal]

Release new stuff, make content catered to them, slowly reduce that amount every patch to make room for newer ones, eventually replace

[silver patio]

How many xtals do you get daily

Minimum

[slim blaze]

0 if you dont play

[silver patio]

Thank gosh im getting ||her||

i cant risk it

[left hill]

reverist calico good support for HoV?

[silver patio]

Idk

✌️

[slim blaze]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D4--JVAFIt3KpYbvO9jASLrX-g5xkcAD-3g95lkQpRY/edit?usp=drivesdk

[silver patio]

Then is 4k xtals for 18h bad

Of playtime

I spent some

At this rate idek if ill get ||her||

[slim blaze]

Pretty avg id say. Thats just mostly one time sources

[silver patio]

Nah be positive✌️😂😂

[quick birch]

new players can afford a 4/4 battlesuits 2 patches b2b

[slim blaze]

Nhmm

[silver patio]

What if u reroll

Still the same?

[slim blaze]

Then maybe 3 patches back 2 back

[forest marlin]

is raiden mei good ??

[silver patio]

No

[forest marlin]

alr

[silver patio]

What thype

[slim blaze]

No. And again please refer to battlesuit name

[left hill]

RC good support?

[quick birch]

depends her newest battlesuit has niche uses cases but it's not worth it to invest into her

[silver patio]

Hope ||new elysia|| support will come i already have fdd

Will all new characters have astral ring or no?

[forest marlin]

like Valkyrie bladestrike ig

[slim blaze]

Ouch

[slim blaze]

Yes

[slim blaze]

No

[forest marlin]

alr

[silver patio]

Then will ||new elysia have one too?||

[slim blaze]

Yes

[silver patio]

Really

Then she gonna be stronk

[quick birch]

every new valk will have an astral ring

[silver patio]

How come hohe has one

[quick birch]

releasing a valk without one is just trolling from hoyos side

[slim blaze]

Because of the dkey

[quick birch]

her dkey gave her one

[outer spruce]

dkey gave her one

[slim blaze]

Mhmm

Its called bait

[silver patio]

Imma sleep

[slim blaze]

Too early

[silver patio]

Hope ||new elysia|| will stay for a long time in the meta

[silver patio]

Its 10pm i have school

6am in the morneng

[slim blaze]

Classic

Just learn to function on 4 hrs of sleep smh

[dry python]

i've been doing that for the past 4 years

[ancient needle]

Grandpa Cay will be the type to get Alzheimer's, huh

[sweet flax]

he doesnt already have it?

[upbeat egret]

Chat is bullying cay