👶beginner-help

[ancient needle]

That's how they induce FOMO

Sushang cycles are there for a reason

[quick birch]

back to back compatibility and shilling a lot in the following patch after their release has been pretty common recently

trying to advertise reruns and as teammate said fomo

but once you have a good roster you can probably play a cope team and retain in RL and below

nirvana is BiS dps or bust

[jolly pulsar]

When would we get a new astral ring specialization? Since we got one this patch

[quick birch]

when hoyo decides to

we don't even have a new tag yet

[jolly pulsar]

Hmm
I could get PAWS but I’m thinking I want to save for anni

[ancient needle]

Probs after we get 2-3 more valks of this one (not including dkeys)

||Keep in mind that 8.4 is RoO||

[jolly pulsar]

I don’t know what to do

[upper gate]

Is it fine to purchase ancient willpower here?

[thick bolt]

ya

[forest snow]

sorry i cant open

[thick bolt]

You get KoV from login on 7th day, use that on HoV

[tall flax]

whats the best thing to buy in BP shop as f2p

[lyric anvil]

DKeys you don't have

I believe

[glossy lily]

what valk you guys recommend to have from this?

[shadow gyro]

look at the egg guide in pins

[austere umbra]

whats the best thing to farm for in expeditions?

[shadow gyro]

i believe it depends on your needs, frag expedition is useful

[odd plume]

i usually just farm AE and shifter

[glad ice]

AE, Befall weapons, coins (the highest coin expe which also has a chance to drop shifter)

unfortunately the SP valks don't have frag farm
but u can farm the A-ranks which are available in ER like StFu (frag + augment core), raven, valkyrie gloria

[frozen crypt]

Befall weapons?

[glad ice]

1 stage guaranteed shifter

[frozen crypt]

Ah only 1 really? :o

[glad ice]

1 per day

[frozen crypt]

I see I see

[glad ice]

and honkai pcs to fuel my armada commissions 😄

[shell basin]

Her augment cores are useful?

huh

[lyric anvil]

Trying to remember-
Is StFu an augment for Valkyrie Bladestrike?

[shell basin]

yes

[lyric anvil]

I need to do that then for the ER xtals

[quick storm]

Excuse me, I just started playing today and I got this char in my first 10 pull, if she good and are these stats and stuff good??

[wintry wharf]

there is a pin for the is she good question but outdated i think it tells u to pull hotr ignore it

for coralie shes a farmable valk good especially with signature weapon

the stigs u can use fuhua set

[queen bloom]

Where to get flawless benediction?

[autumn oxide]

gacha only. no banner rn

[queen bloom]

Ugh that’s annoying, is Solon still worth crafting without?

[autumn oxide]

no

[gaunt oak]

do you guys know any youtuber who regularly posts S0 clears for MA

[autumn oxide]

i’d say me but i dont do it regularly 😔

[gaunt oak]

did you at least do this week's

[abstract sequoia]

the character is good, however the stigmata you chose for her are bad because:

• the wrong damage type, akutagawa is a physical dmg set while coralie deals fire dmg
• the 2pc does nothing, because elemental valks cannot crit

[autumn oxide]

i dint upload

but yea ive done ma for the week

[abstract sequoia]

as for stats, hers dont really matter later because Coralie is a general support valkyrie

for the early game, she will be your carry though

her damage output is better than most of the older valks while undergeared

[charred matrix]

f2p build for hos? (for er)

[odd plume]

how f2p? nebs + full marco is like the lowest tier gear

[charred matrix]

what's the highest? excluding gacha, like just craftable

[odd plume]

it was sirinA T dirac MB

[charred matrix]

thanks

[charred matrix]

can't find sirin T in foundry, how do I get it?

[ancient needle]

It's in Exchange Shop

[charred matrix]

oh

[ancient needle]

Stig reso is obtainable from OW task weekly finalization and from salvaging G1 stigs

(the cheapest one is Kallen Pledge)

[odd plume]

exchange shop, it's sirin ascendant, called sirinA, not just sirin

[ancient needle]

Keep in mind Hsien meant Sirin: Ascendant, not just Sirin

[charred matrix]

[charred matrix]

after I get SSS coralie, can I just start buying valks for ER? and if yes is there an order to which valks I should get first?

[odd plume]

you can unlock them for ER, no order for that

[queen bloom]

I keep doing the material expeditions but the quest isn’t completing? Am I doing the wrong expeditions

[storm lantern]

you have to do them from dorm, that's what the "requires earning 3 stars" thing means

[queen bloom]

Oh shiii thank you

[autumn oxide]

bro full ssword is in exchange

@charred matrix her full og sig is in exchange shop

thats probs better considering u can use her as supp too

if just for dps in er than sasc dirac wld probs hv more dmg but then again why wld u forge a g3 just for er

[peak zodiac]

I got jade knight from the starter manual is she worth to buy her wep from the bp shop

[storm lantern]

no, focus on the dkeys

[sweet flax]

you get nebulous duality from your starter manual, its one of her better weapons

her signature is also available in the box you get from manual, but you shouldnt rush that decision as there is also rc's weapon in the box which can be considered a better choice depending on your ma situation

[peak zodiac]

I already chose the wep for hohe

[sweet flax]

. . .

you do realise she doesnt use that weapon anymore right

since she got a dkey

[peak zodiac]

I thought the wep for rc was the last option since she’s an A rank

[quick birch]

it's not like every a rank < every s rank

[sweet flax]

the decision comes like this

key of ego got replaced, hence its value is very low
jk weapons are a good option for jk, however you do get nebs as well from your manual
rc is a very strong early game support and since she has a unique debuff (tdm vulnerability) compared to other units available, her supportive utility is actually much stronger and she is accessible for a lot of early game teams

• no other support chakram is accessible to beginners

also, rc is an SP rank, not an A rank

SP valks generally have always been very strong during their time, and have very good value when investing into them

so the decision on that box should stay with jk gloves or rc chakram

[peak zodiac]

Oh nah

So I ended up choosing the worst option

This my lineup missing out on rc wouldn’t be too crazy tho right

[sweet flax]

songque and senadina.... you rolled on starter banner too?

[dry python]

bricked

[storm lantern]

it looks like you got lucky at least? but yeah rolling on banners without knowing if they're good or not is pretty bad

[sweet flax]

its not about missing rc weapon or not, its about what is more valuable to you over a longer period of time

and key of ego has long since been worthless

anyways, does paws have her weapon?

and how is your story progress looking like?

[peak zodiac]

My pulling addiction got the best of me

[peak zodiac]

Yea paws songque and sena are all geared out

Story wise I’m on chapter 10 of part 1

And prob chapter 2 of part 2

[peak zodiac]

[sweet flax]

honestly

not the worst

but definitely not the best

you still have a lot of one time crystals available so pulling on standard wasnt as damaging as it couldve been

[heady dagger]

idt sq and sena is that bad
theyre still p2 and should be able to form teams

[sweet flax]

p2 yes, but incompatible with newer units

dsa can only support ws and wod, and vita supports ws better than her and can be competitive with her in wod
jds is mainly used for her sd mechanic in loa teams

and as we move away from loa, the less use cases for jds that come by

senadina by meta standards is already a dead unit

[peak zodiac]

[peak zodiac]

Damn that sucks

What modes are meta needed?

Is it just the abyss

[sweet flax]

world star and wheel of destiny are just rings that dont get weathers often (their units, not the ring itself, the rings can run but that is also rare)

[peak zodiac]

I plan on pulling for pc sushang on her rerun too

[outer spruce]

bruh slow down

[heady dagger]

i kept using the same team since i skipped vita and rest of stellar shift thingy

[sweet flax]

we consider what's best for abyss (your main and highest form of crystal income) meta
so generally speaking, meta prioritises newer units with a decent amount of value towards the future

[peak zodiac]

[sweet flax]

ye you defo cant garuntee her weapon this patch and ps NEEDS her weapon, same applies to all p2

also 8.4 unit wasnt revealed globally, spoiler tag it or delete that message

[sweet flax]

and may I ask if you are able to consistently retain redlotus

[peak zodiac]

Oh mb

[sweet flax]

sea is already a fairly competitive region starting from rl, so to not have the better teams for a majority of this year could be damaging to your abyss ranking, and in turn your patchly income

[heady dagger]

bouncer

[peak zodiac]

How much crystals are yall getting from abyss anyway?

[sweet flax]

rank dependant

[peak zodiac]

Oh

[sweet flax]

but rl players are expected to make 1000 a week from abyss alone
while a3 players make 840 a week

over a patch (which now is at least 8 weeks)

that's 6720 to 8000 crystals a patch

just based on rank

[peak zodiac]

Damn that’s more than I thought

[sweet flax]

better to save for next patch

you can start accumulating crystals in preparation for it

||since new unit is roo, she will be useful for some other teams with jds or dsa should that situation namely sd weather arises)||

[peak zodiac]

If my pulling addiction doesn’t get the best of me

[sweet flax]

||ofc, the main value of 8.4 unit comes from her expected synergy with paws||

[peak zodiac]

Exactly what I need

[sweet flax]

better save then

[peak zodiac]

[sweet flax]

crystal sources in pins cover 1 time crystal sources
since you have paws dsa and jds, you can milk them for elysian realm crystals, try to maintain a higher abyss ranking (since you havent done your breakthrough you are still in q-manifold, so redlotus is the goal)

[peak zodiac]

dsa and jds?

[sweet flax]

senadina and songque

glossary in pins for abbreviations

[peak zodiac]

Just got promoted to redlotus

[sweet flax]

but generally speaking we take the first letter of their suit

since songque's is Jovial Deception: Shadowdimmer, we refer to her as jds

[peak zodiac]

Yea I figured with paws I just don’t remember songques and sena full name lol

[sweet flax]

senadina is mainly referred in 2 ways, Deepspace Anchor: First Light

so you might see some people call her dsa, fl, dsafl, sena, etc...

[peak zodiac]

[sweet flax]

main issue with calling her songque is that there is also an astral op named songque

[peak zodiac]

Oh yea speaking of astral op I ended up getting teri

[sweet flax]

. . .

[peak zodiac]

Did I want her no but I wanted to pull

[outer spruce]

gacha addiction kinda strong huh

[sweet flax]

you pulled on the astral op banner, for an astral op who supports a ring that you have no units for

[peak zodiac]

Fr

[peak zodiac]

I’m cooked

[sweet flax]

let alone how bad of a pull astral op banner is, ASK BEFORE YOU PULL MAN LMFAO

[peak zodiac]

She only took 15 pulls I’m chilling

[sweet flax]

not really, that's 15 pulls of worthless

[peak zodiac]

[quick birch]

15 pulls is still a lot for an f2p

[sweet flax]

ever heard of sunk cost

[peak zodiac]

[sweet flax]

for reference, 15 pulls is about 20% of a player's patchly income at endgame

[peak zodiac]

Damn it be like that don’t it

[outer spruce]

once your one time crystal sources dries up, you'll get punished for pulling for shiny things all the time

[peak zodiac]

Let’s hope that day doesn’t come 😭

[outer spruce]

this is a game where you'll have to start planning your pulls, saving and controlling your pulling impulses for months at a time

[peak zodiac]

Oh no that can’t be good for me

I pulled on every banner that I can rn and I still want to pull

[outer spruce]

patches are usually 9 weeks and there's only one good character to pull per patch. Reruns are not recommended here

[peak zodiac]

Is the power creep bad

[outer spruce]

not really

[glad ice]

back in p1 when 4/4 is hard and u can chill with offrates and alternatives and foundry stig

gambling purnishment is hard in p2

[quick birch]

not really it's just more about how relevant a valk is, valks hold a niche for about ~ 2 years

[peak zodiac]

Good to know it ain’t crazy then

[quick birch]

this explains it in detail

[sweet flax]

ye but back then off rates werent directly pulled for and most f2p had to focus on 1 type of team or a unit who can have long term value

[peak zodiac]

Thank god for this

[glad ice]

its for gambling

now it takes every cell of my brain to calculate how much xtal for the next valk

[abstract sequoia]

i assume weapon banners were partially whale options

or did they just give you way more crystals back then

[sweet flax]

honestly it was so long ago I cant really remember, but dps were generally avoided and supportive gear was prioritised
it just so happens that most supports that were aimed for were SP units whose banners were conisdered cheap in comparison to the s ranks

[glad ice]

u have alternative gears back there with 80% performance

[sweet flax]

^ it wasnt as big of a loss compared to now

since most gear back then were just "valk equip bonus: deal more of this type of dmg"

[sweet flax]

and not portions of their kit getting locked

[abstract sequoia]

i see

[glad ice]

now if u dont have sig weap u lose like 50%

[sweet flax]

among other things

paws without weapon is borderline unplayable without losing like -300 score minimum

[abstract sequoia]

i mean that already started in p1

especially with trio

[sweet flax]

ye hofi without weapon is just where ca

[abstract sequoia]

all of their sig weps make the rot way faster

even hotr needs to do the long animation withou her cannon to unlock 2 weps

[dry python]

i remember when i had to learn how to rot trio with eopri

[sweet flax]

😭

[abstract sequoia]

oh god

[dry python]

it was viable

actually

[sweet flax]

I remember getting hofi, didnt get her weapon yet and asked why I couldnt wa after ca

[abstract sequoia]

i mean full trio maybe

only need 3 more stacks for CA

[sweet flax]

you dont get a wa reset either after ca

without weapon

[abstract sequoia]

I know

[glad ice]

trio is trio. i also suffered from 0/3 kiana set

tbh it still 0/3 atp

[abstract sequoia]

i guess LV was viable with Judah?

[glad ice]

there is mobius cross

[abstract sequoia]

true

[glad ice]

and judah yes

[abstract sequoia]

otherwise i dont think theres any more p1s who were super wep dependant. just provided extras

[sweet flax]

judah and basilisk were pretty much similar though

[glad ice]

but start from trio valks suffer because hoyo invented the "valk exclusive" thing

[abstract sequoia]

i mean even way older weps have valk exclusive bonuses

HoR pri for example

or many bronya cannons really

[sweet flax]

ye but back then valk exclusive effects werent really "without this the valk is unplayable"

[abstract sequoia]

fair

[glad ice]

if u meant SoEW its the newer one

[dry python]

define "back then"

[glad ice]

part1

[sweet flax]

-_- around 4.x

[dry python]

do you have any idea how little that narrows it down

[abstract sequoia]

i meant key of reason

the sp regen is only on hor

so cant rly use it for Haxxor Bunny

[dry python]

ok let's see

[abstract sequoia]

other than for stats ofc

[dry python]

significant valks from 4.x include HoT FT HB and maybe FR idk

FR's weapon could be obtained with 4k weapon reso

[abstract sequoia]

it was free?

[dry python]

sleepri was just broken in general

i feel like if you skip any herrscher gear back then you're basically bricking acc

any herrscher before hfs

probably

and hb is sp valk so easier acquisition

so honestly i still wouldn't skip any of those lol

[sweet flax]

fr weapon was a really good one, but key of castigation was pretty shit no?
but that was so long ago I cant remember if there was any value to it compared to what else was available

[abstract sequoia]

probably not

no other sword could be better

[dry python]

dude it was like

2020

literally

5 years ago

[glad ice]

u have mag-typhoon

[abstract sequoia]

that existed already?

[glad ice]

it was the 1st priarm

[abstract sequoia]

im not sure about the order of things

[dry python]

magty was 3.4

[sweet flax]

I have memory loss and I played like 1000 other games since then forgive me for forgetting about 1 weapon

[abstract sequoia]

huh okay, so HoT could be lowkey playable that way

[dry python]

[sweet flax]

anyways

[dry python]

let me see if i can find hot weapon comparisons

[glad ice]

hot's koc has bar regen

[sweet flax]

oh

[abstract sequoia]

but that doesn't affect dragon form

[glad ice]

ye on dragon u cant use weapon

[abstract sequoia]

so if the boss dies quick enough, just get stigs on ur supports to give hot fast ult

[dry python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GFC8O4QDOw wow

oldge

[glad ice]

we used phoenix SP bag drop

and cerulean

[abstract sequoia]

makes sense, must pull valk, even if no weapon

so people wanted alternatives

[dry python]

there's definitely significantly more reliance now, but it's also significantly easier to full gear

you could easily spend what you usually do for a 4/4 p2 valk on just p1 gear

[abstract sequoia]

so 4/4 relied heavily on just skipping patches

[dry python]

yes generally as a f2p you'd only go for sp valks and herrschers

and the occasional good non herrscher valk i think maybe

can't really think of any lol

[glad ice]

u can gamble

[dry python]

smh

wow so oldge

[sweet flax]

always gamble you never know when you will get an early (crying in 70k+ crystals on 6.8)

[dry python]

i too remember when hoo was considered decent enough

i also remember being sad over no free HTR gear box

[glad ice]

free hotr gear box in her expansion 😄

[dry python]

well yeah obv i meant like

wei er wei

or sw

[storm lantern]

i thought hotr dps was a meme

[glad ice]

i remember sw had 1 stig box?

[outer spruce]

kinda but I used it unironically

[storm lantern]

[outer spruce]

my hoh was 3/4 with no M piece so I used my hotr for ice and ranged weather

[storm lantern]

incredible that missing 1 piece made hotr dps better

[dry python]

it's like insane cope but also did work decently enough in 6.3

[sterile river]

I miss those days

[dry python]

wtf gecko changed pfp

[sterile river]

temporarily

[dry python]

no more blue cat gecko

[sterile river]

blue cat gecko will return later

ely is cute tho

[dry python]

i recognise that from anni

[sterile river]

[glad ice]

my hoh also 2/3 stig so i used willow

[jolly pulsar]

Guys
Should I pull PAWS and just skip next patch
I think I will

[storm lantern]

you should pull paws and also pull next patch and 8.5

[haughty elbow]

real

[abstract sequoia]

what gives?

lacking crystals right now?

[jolly pulsar]

I have like 10k crystals only yeah
But like 80 pulls in total to guarantee both valk and weapon
But I need new valks, older ones aren’t cutting it

[storm lantern]

where are your xtals going if you need new valks

[abstract sequoia]

would be best to start with who you have right now

[ancient needle]

||Considering 8.4 is a Breach source it's quite unwise to skip that imo||

[jolly pulsar]

I see

[ancient needle]

We don't know how good PAWS is as a GoI support, so can't include that into the consideration

[jolly pulsar]

You know what

Imma just yolo

[ancient needle]

In LoA she's solid but mostly not BiS

😭

[jolly pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/what-could-possibly-go-wrong-michael-che-saturday-night-live-sarcastic-bad-idea-gif-20998208

[jolly pulsar]

@abstract sequoia

[ancient needle]

Wtf is that info box

Didn't see it before

[outer spruce]

they tell you the rates in NA now

front and center

they have to tell you how much things cost in actual money

mine has it too

[jolly pulsar]

If I keep going I don’t know if I’ll be able to afford next patch Valkyrie
But then again, I might be able to

[ancient needle]

Dayum, not bad

[spiral badge]

i kinda wonder if there's some meta joke going on with that text box being... transparent...

oh i'm 2 and a half hours late to the party. Hey lol.

[sweet flax]

better late than never

[ancient needle]

Dayum, how did I not notice that

I'm falling off

[spiral badge]

bless your heart you didn't. I feel all i've done in this game lately was make bad puns

[dry python]

[analog forge]

Only 5k cryst and a dream for next valk... Should i gacha on next banner or saving for 8.4?

Only have this

[quick birch]

It's generally not recommended to pull on reruns and definitely not with that crystal count

If you should pull 8.4 depends on your crystals once the patch drops

[analog forge]

Next ver maybe will have about 15k cryst or more

[quick birch]

That's not really a lot and also sounds a bit too low. F2ps which retain a3 make ~20k this patch

Depending on your abyss rank this will be a bit lower/higher

Generally we recommend to have ~30k once the patch drops

About an 75% to get the valk with that amount and if you do get unlucky you either have pity for the next patch or can get her while the banner is still up

[halcyon ravine]

Just returned to the game. I want to get the new valk next patch, and wondering if I'll need to get the new helia as a support for her. I have badum kiana and sushang (sushang is missing weapon), as well as most of the P2 valks before

[ancient needle]

The answer is very likely "yes", but whether you should pull Helia depends on your current crystal count

Ofc keep in mind that 8.4 DPS is only one part of the equation, the most of the value could be in her supporting capabilities

||Especially considering she's a Breach source, which could be very valuable for Helia DPS||

You're quite set for Helia DPS rn tho

idk how weapless Sushang compares to other options with weaps tbf

But if you have HoHE and/or RS you're good

[ancient needle]

If you can afford both 8.3 and 8.4, it's probs a good idea to pull

The issue is that 8.5 should be anni, and annis usually have very good (and expensive) stuff

[halcyon ravine]

I have no crystals currently, but around 20k in one times that I could grind out over the next week. I have HoHE with the part 2 weapon, but not RS

[halcyon ravine]

Could go grab weapon for her as my only physical dps

[ancient needle]

idk whether it's worth doing atp

I wouldn't say it is

[quick birch]

Seems pretty fine to me you only loose some small buffs and bleed application and afaik that's not needed for helia bosses.

WA CD reset isn't needed on any helia boss right

[ancient needle]

idts

[halcyon ravine]

I have her stigmata

So she isnt fully ungeared

[quick birch]

That's the minimum

Stigmatas are craftable

[halcyon ravine]

Oh yeah I forgot about that

[quick birch]

The buffs in question are
25% total DMG
18% ele DMG
2% total dmg taken exclusive

[ancient needle]

The keyword that actually matters is "independent"

[quick birch]

I still haven't figured out what the fuck those extra hits on her stellar shift are supposed to be but that ain't relevant here

[ancient needle]

But I feel like it would at least make her equal to HoHE/RS

[halcyon ravine]

Oh also isn't there supposed to be a returnee supply or something?

I just see missions that will give me some crystals and stuff

[ancient needle]

Were you away for 60 days? They've bumped up the requirement in 8.2

[halcyon ravine]

I believe so

I didn't login during last patch with sushang besides the first day I think

It says I am a returnee

[quick birch]

Actually does the independent apply to both buffs or only for the physical DMG taken when equipped by PS

Wording is a bit weird on hoyos side ~~ as always ~~

[ancient needle]

That's a good question, I assume PS-only tho

[low ridge]

Is she good for vita

[ancient needle]

Vita DPS? Only at SS+, defo not worth getting atp

[halcyon ravine]

@ancient needle should I pull for helia?

[low ridge]

Who’s good for vita then

[quick birch]

Aops don't matter until nirvana DS is more than enough for RL

[quick birch]

DS

[ancient needle]

Theresa
Other options are Songque and Kiana ELF

Kia needs at least 3*

And Songque is not worth getting atp as well

[ancient needle]

You didn't tell me how many crystals you have rn

[halcyon ravine]

.

[ancient needle]

[halcyon ravine]

I mean that's a lie I have 1k crystals currently but that's basically none

[quick birch]

[ancient needle]

Yeah, you're pretty much forced to skip

[halcyon ravine]

rip

[ancient needle]

You could do the discounted 10x if your pity isn't built ig

But defo don't go beyond that

[halcyon ravine]

Yeah ima do that once I finish my elysian realm run

if I get helia, ill go for weapon since I am at 35 pity so it shouldnt cost too much. and then ig its save for next patch and pray that the one after doesn't have someone i really really want lol

[ancient needle]

8.4 is looking juicy for now, but gotta see what's in 8.5 before deciding for sure

And, yk, gotta see how the 10x goes

[quick birch]

The 8.4 valk before cn Ani is actually so brutal

Idk how I'm supposed to survive in this economy

Gotta see how good she actually is once beta is live ig

[halcyon ravine]

what counts as a variable arm? for elysian realm bonuses?

[ancient needle]

Could you show the effect?

[halcyon ravine]

unless that is a new weapon type I missed

[quick birch]

It's the weather effect from ER ain't it

Should be mentioned there

[halcyon ravine]

ohhhh

Yeah it is i simply didn't read

[quick birch]

[ancient needle]

Real

Pull 8.4 -> cooked for anni
Skip 8.4 -> likely cooked for anni cuz dependency chains

The only ways out are moneybags and lucksacks

[quick birch]

Helia drained me so bad it's not funny idk if I can even afford 8.4

Gotta lucksack ig

[ancient needle]

Does the weap banner have that btw?

[outer spruce]

it does

[ancient needle]

What's the math there

[quick birch]

Wtf is that

Never seen that shit

[ancient needle]

'Merican (I assume) laws requiring to mention the cost of the valk/weap

[quick birch]

Ahh was it because of the lawsuit

[ancient needle]

Which one

[quick birch]

That they basically scammed money from kids cuz of false advertisement

Or fake currency

[outer spruce]

hoyo is also forced to have an option to buy currency directly instead of just alternative fake currency

[ancient needle]

Rare American W ainnoway

I'd expect smth like that to come from EU

[quick birch]

Same tbh

Didn't EU also have a proposal for a similar law cuz of a online horse game ( anyway this is getting off topic )

[outer spruce]

all the banners have it

and the potential costs you can spend

[quick birch]

I prob assume this is just assuming that you buy crystal bundles without x2

Because 250$ for a weapon is crazy

[outer spruce]

imagine spending $300 on dorm

[outer spruce]

you can buy cards directly

[halcyon ravine]

got her

[fallen shale]

they should make this stuff universal tbh

[outer spruce]

true, they should

[fallen shale]

I live in Aus so I don't get any of this stuff in any of the hoyo games

[outer spruce]

unfortunately the lawsuit only applies to NA

from what I've seen, all hoyo games in NA have these changes

[fallen shale]

it's nice to know it came to HI3 tho, I thought it was only Genshin

[deft orbit]

can someone cook me something?

+sleepy teri

[fallen shale]

I forgot to turn on the buff

[low ridge]

When does vitas skin come out at 12 or what

[glad ice]

check schedule on beginner help pin

[low ridge]

Did just says July 4th

[glad ice]

ye it should be today. weird i haven't got it yet

[dark cargo]

Only for aponia

[shadow gyro]

im hoping that the part 2 characters all have their weapon, lmk if they don't
ps, sparkle, jds on hsr guy (should work, don't remember if his ma version needs paralyse)
sena, hofi, mps on sd guy
do you care about the ss boss?

[low ridge]

What do these things do

[lyric anvil]

Maybe later in the day?

[outer spruce]

guaranteed max atk affixes for one of your stigs

[low ridge]

I have this box where I can clam a free s tier or one of those what should I do

[outer spruce]

what does the box look like

[potent hamlet]

If you aren’t a end game grinder don’t bother with the affixes

[outer spruce]

well all these valks are farmable and not useful in meta

I'd save the box honestly

[tall flax]

what does SS teriop do that S doesnt?

[sweet flax]

ari regen for both loa and roo
and vulnerability debuff on enemies for both rings (on top of the already available debuff from so)

[haughty elbow]

more dmg

theres energy regen but u can still make it to max energy before ring cd is up with s

unless theres a transition where u cant atk

[tall flax]

usually when i do 2 SO at S rank i always score like <650

hoping that doing 2 SO with SS rank can score me <750

maybe 800 if theres a hidden tech to get more Ari

[haughty elbow]

fix ur supports

[glad ice]

u can 750 with S

with proper team ofc

[tall flax]

hows my supports?

i pretty much switch Badum and PS depending on weather

[haughty elbow]

neither of those 2 are bis

idk why u upgraded teri to ss

[tall flax]

needed the DPS increase

[dry python]

[lyric anvil]

[sweet flax]

[amber finch]

what a ron move

pull for a better support ❌
get a 1% dps increase ✅

[dry python]

It's funny because ches is also an acc bricker yet he's the one calling out ron

[amber finch]

stop exposing me

i dont brick my acc that hard

[dry python]

You bricked it so hard you turned from cheese to butter which is physically impossible

[amber finch]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-gif-21483615

[tall flax]

whats the brick

[haughty elbow]

ss teri isnt that good

compared to the other astral ops

teri only needs s

[naive pivot]

[glad ice]

Cay wins
FATALITY

[rose oar]

guys in that free gift thingy where you get to choose 1 from 3 S char. what should I pick I alr have HoV is she good with any of them

[thick bolt]

can you send a screenshot?

[rose oar]

not on the game rn

[sweet flax]

are you sure they were s ranks? there isnt any such item other than the s rank egg for beginners

[rose oar]

yea... idk

[fallen shale]

I'm not sure if I can get out of agony ii

I'm about 3 healthbars away from clearing this node

[rose oar]

this isn't a char?

[thick bolt]

equipment piece

[lyric anvil]

That's a stigmata box

[thick bolt]

It's the set for new helia

[rose oar]

oh man

I got exicted there

[thick bolt]

save it till you actually need to complete missing pieces of the set later

[rose oar]

ok

[ancient needle]

(after you're done pulling Helia's weap that is)

[quick birch]

Just checked this again and hers + waxing are the only p2 weapons that don't have an independent multiplier for the whole team kekw

🧱 synergy

[lilac reef]

Is Bon Voyage Event time/level gated or something?

[quick birch]

Not by dailies once every act is unlocked you should be able to speed run it

[lilac reef]

Ok thank you

[finite oracle]

Guys i have no good valks,do you recommend me to get helia?

[thick bolt]

If it's a new account (or you have 30k+ crystals), get helia and her weap

[finite oracle]

how good is she on the meta?

[dry python]

!faq pull

[small willow]

Pulling Priority

Yo, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the pulling priority for this patch!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[finite oracle]

@thick bolt

[finite oracle]

ty

[odd plume]

she is normally good, a good start for brand new account

[finite oracle]

its a returnee account

[odd plume]

i strongly recommend to remake a new account

[finite oracle]

Im lazy💔

[odd plume]

your account has nothing anyway

[finite oracle]

Aside from some A ranks like susannah,the rest are kind of useless

[odd plume]

hard to say for returnee account, with a new account, you can afford both 8.3 and 8.4
but with a returneed account, you may not be able to, in this case, 8.4 may be higher prior

[finite oracle]

i do have crystal sources yk

i havent finished the story

[dry python]

That's barely anything

[finite oracle]

sobs

[storm lantern]

you could have more and starter manual on a new account

if you havent pulled on the account maybe you can keep it but gearing is also going to be harder

[odd plume]

up to you, it's a serious advice for serious player, but you may not play seriously so...

[finite oracle]

Alr thank you guys

[olive ivy]

is there any way to get cosmic expression weapon or is literally just wait and hope for it to be on bp?

[autumn oxide]

dawei card

[jolly spire]

Hello
which one of these would you say is the most useful?

[quick birch]

Is this related to war Treasury ?

[odd plume]

saying most useful make them a bigger deal than they are

just pick HoS

[jolly spire]

Well I haven’t played them so I have no idea how they work. I’ve done the tutorial but that’s it. I don’t really know much else 😅

[odd plume]

where do you get them?

[odd plume]

pick HoS then

[jolly spire]

Alright thank you

[humble kraken]

anyone here useful for anything?

[thick bolt]

kira, off field support

[cedar pilot]

whats a good HoT team?

[thick bolt]

not using HoT

budget:
HoT, Eden, RC
weap is any highest stat stick with edison stig set

"good":
HoT, Eden, HoTr
but like, HoT needs Handel and 7T not to mention ranks

[cedar pilot]

ohh alright ty

[upper gate]

Who can i use here as a 2nd dps other than paws, can i use li sushang?

[thick bolt]

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[lime talon]

am i just lucky or just unlucky... i got this at 10 pity left

[ancient needle]

You could argue that it took ~45 pulls on average for each copy

Which is... average

[lime talon]

i couldn't contain my gacha urge and pulled another 10 even though i had enough for 30 pulls for wep

[gaunt oak]

is paws melee or ranged

[lime talon]

it's better to get a new valk rather than duplicates right

[ancient needle]

Melee

[lime talon]

also got weap in 40 so im happy ig

[lime talon]

what do i refine for this valk

[lime talon]

also what is the "normal" pity to start expecting valk? like is there a pity increase at like 70 just like hsr or smthing

[ancient needle]

Soft pity starts at 76+

But it's not as extreme as in other Hoyo games apparently

[lime talon]

stupid me i should have rolled 1 by 1

also what do i use my wafer affix for?

i have 14 of them i never used

also who do i pair with new helia f2p teamates?

[lime talon]

thanks hoyo for the 1 pity i never ever seen before

[shadow gyro]

getting the valk twice in the same pull and for you to get her back to back is hella lucky but espif you play in rl or lower ranks have less value for you than getting another valk but heeeyyy its still nice , u did get the wp right? after that just save for next patch

[lime talon]

lol i didn't even had enough for wep but i still manged to get it, i was like 25 -30 pulls short lol

god of gacha has blessed me 👼

[spiral badge]

In the future try to make sure you have enough to get both valk and weapon. There's no 50 50, income is now higher and patches are longer to make this more realistic

It's quite normal to reach near guarantee to get something. You wouldn't want to hard depend on luck with all this in mind

[quick birch]

I believe all of her attacks are considered melee though you could argue that a small part of her CA is ranged. In the end not every valk is strictly melee or range some can be 50/50 best example is Vita where in her normal for she is melee but once she enters her mech form she's ranged except her mecha punch

[spiral badge]

Ranks are quite excessive for most intents and purposes but helias s2 i believe is quite strong so i would consider this more fortunate than not

[quick birch]

Extra WA is quite nice improves rotations a bit

And ofc DMG increase

[lime talon]

income from what?

[spiral badge]

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[lime talon]

also whats a good teamate for new helia

i have PS but for memorial arena, i wanna split the good players

[spiral badge]

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

Helia is grail ring type so you're looking for teammates with symbiosis

However all valks with those tags are gacha only. If you don't have them then you can try using coralie and farm able helia for now

Coralie has a tag called omniscient star that will allow for partial benefits (leader skills) but no core benefits for the ring type. So in this case no massive sp restoration during outburst mode

Farm able helia (bolt storm) has no compatibility but can provide longer lasting support effects and some outburst energy regen

[lime talon]

so helia, helia, coralie?

[spiral badge]

Yeah

[lime talon]

what would PS do?

[spiral badge]

I kinda demonstrated the helia helia Cora team here although there's some issues

• paws may not restore enough sp in time for buff uptime for the finisher in outburst.
• if you're about to outburst then you can skip swapping back to coralie. Her effects refresh from outburst
• bolt storm only needs to go to 30 stacks above hp bar if you have her stigs. Otherwise you can skip doing that before outburst

[spiral badge]

PS leader is law of ascension. Please check the faq for details.

Otherwise in abyss you can use her to support paws helia

I need to go now. Sorry

[lime talon]

sure np

[halcyon ravine]

how do I swap out the valk in the bridge, the option isn't showing up for me

It just shows this

[quick birch]

on the p2 bridge is who you last played in p2 story

when you want p1 valks on your bridge you need to switch back to a p1 bridge

[halcyon ravine]

Thanks!

[charred matrix]

thank you

[lime talon]

is this a glitch? for elsia weekly battle, im able to use my weap instantly over and over recharging insane amount of sp but during astral ring, it has the weapon cd?

this is for new helia btw

[quick birch]

it's because of her ego signets

[lime talon]

oh so i got the signet without reading it lol

[slim blaze]

Reading

Imejin doing so

[potent crow]

imagine being literate

[spiral badge]

the irony everytime someone makes that joke in a chat client that involves that very activity...

[torpid orbit]

~~I used text-to-speech ~~

[spiral badge]

touche

[neon orbit]

Now having P2 weapon for eli, should I salvage this?

[autumn oxide]

cant salvage pris

[neon orbit]

not even convert?

[ancient needle]

Nope

If you could, the answer would be "yes" though

[spiral badge]

if there's any off chance that a starless weather is made for hohe, her stellar key won't be best for her p1 team

[dry python]

Snowball's chance in hell

[spiral badge]

the bigger point i'm trying to make is there's still a niche to the weapon even if there is no current cases for it

and game basically boil down to these niches once your roster develops enough. I actually would disagree with teammate's "yes" and rather you keep something more unique even if it's useless currently

especially if the output are more generic and consumable resourcees unless you have a very specific urgency for it

[dry python]

If nothing else I'd keep it for the sentimental value or something lol

[spiral badge]

that's more subjective at that point. i would agree but not something i can push upon others

fair to bring up though

anyway if you really want to trash the weapon, i believe you can use it as exp fodder once the lock cooldown is gone but obviously this is terrible value when exp is so much more plentiful

[dry python]

Since when could you use pri arms as xp fodder

Wtf

Wait I've literally never seen anyone talk about that

[spiral badge]

it's been a long time since i've checked this so maybe double check me on this now lol

[dry python]

Well I don't have any unlocked pris to check with...

[spiral badge]

yeah idr who i heard it from. i'm pretty sure i did check with my spare hekate at one point

[pliant pulsar]

,

[spiral badge]

do you have a question?

[queen bloom]

Is outfit supply good?

[spiral badge]

it has no value to gameplay whatsoever

[dry python]

No

[spiral badge]

it's purely aesthetics

!faq pyramid

[small willow]

Gacha Outfits

Be careful, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's summary [here](#👶beginner-help message) Regarding Gacha (Pyramid) outfits.

Gacha (Pyramid) Outfits

• DO NOT PULL UNLESS YOU CAN HARD PITY. NON-NEGOTIABLE.
  • You need 9600 or 7680 if there is a discount.
• No competitive benefit.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[queen bloom]

Oh damn

[left vale]

best team for this cycle

[quick birch]

paws/ps/fws

[left vale]

if PS is 3/4 hhe is better right

[rugged compass]

3/4 hohe..?

OH

[left vale]

[rugged compass]

Nvm i know wym

[upbeat egret]

Yes

[outer spruce]

oh hey outfit supply has it too

[quick birch]

the conversion rate is abysmal though

150$ for a skin

[left vale]

why doesnt equip or suit supply have this

[thick bolt]

.

[thick bolt]

.

[left vale]

wtf where is that

[thick bolt]

styxx you play on NA
this change is NA exclusive cause of the lawsuit

[outer spruce]

NA accounts only

[left vale]

$4.19 per pull wtf

thats $377.10 for a valk

[quick birch]

they calculate it as if you'd buy the lowest crystal bundle without 2x iirc

[left vale]

well $356.15 if you include first 10x discount

[outer spruce]

every hoyo game in NA has these changes

[left vale]

i see that

first NA exclusive thing, wonder when other servers will start rioting to have this too

[thick bolt]

wonder if the other games have to count losing the 50/50 into the cost

[rugged compass]

Lemme check.

Actually nvm

It probably says "to get a 5*/S rank"

[thick bolt]

[rugged compass]

Not like limited 5*/S rank

[thick bolt]

should get another lawsuit for that lol (if it actually is that)
breath use your powers

[outer spruce]

yeah this should be a universal change

[rugged compass]

Abracadabra alakazam badabing badabum
Magic powers activate
And you'll get your answer sometime

[slim blaze]

So cheap

[rugged compass]

Dont underestimate my powers

They work 30% of the time

[undone leaf]

whats a budget GD stig build

[ancient needle]

How budget are we talking, and what do you wanna use her for

If it's for earlygame it's better to use someone else

If in general, then her stig options (Handel, Turg TB PPM) are craftable, and her weap (Echo of Paradise) is obtainable from Reserve Works

[ancient needle]

Here are some earlygame teams you could use (assuming you don't have PAWS): #👶beginner-help message

[undone leaf]

i do have paws and im planning to use gd to support her

[ancient needle]

It's better to use the A-rank Helia

She can run Glut T FHM MB for now

[undone leaf]

alright thanks

[ancient needle]

The weap doesn't matter much

Either the default or the forgeable one are fine (keep the forgeable one at lvl 35 and Synergy 1)

[ancient needle]

The full team would be PAWS Coralie Helia

[undone leaf]

okay thank you

[left vale]

they do.

thats why its ~$430/char for ZZZ, GI, and HSR

actually ZZZ does not have the money per character thing. interesting

[outer spruce]

something else that's interesting is that the bundles in GI and HSR actually tell you how many pulls you get in the bundle and how much each pull is worth in the bundle

[left vale]

yes thats amazing because it shows that the $100 pack is insanely scummy!

[outer spruce]

yep, very

hi3 also tells you but you have to click on them

[ancient needle]

But what if I wanna pull on Dorm Supply

[quick birch]

ainoway

[outer spruce]

$28 for a 10 pull in dorm, big ripoff

[dry star]

Hi, I dont yet know the value of different buffs yet according to the dmg formula, is total dmg more valuable than elemental dmg taken by enemies?

I am using the trial sena team

[shell basin]

it depends on what other buffs your team has

but I would assume that almost always total damage is gonna be better because the number is bigger and that wouldn't change unless yo level it up a bunch

if they're the same bonus then the better one is whichever one your team has less of

since buffs stack additive with other buffs of the same type and multiplicatively with buffs of different types

[pearl island]

what do i do with friendship points?

[shell basin]

Once you get enough of them (1000) you can exchange them for a box and that box gives you some minor rewards

mostly coins. It's pretty inconsequential but coins are coins

[pearl island]

ohhh ok

[shell basin]

Also, heads up for any other newbies trying to work on their divine keys

if you're farming level 2 mirage for the g1s

to craft sakura / judah

in addition to going faster it's abotu 10% more efficient to use time swirl passes there

than it is to use invitations on it and save your time swirl passes for when you're doing level 6

I didn't do the math until recently and I've been missing a lot of value that way it seems

maybe should be listed in the pins under mirage farming

Showing work:

• a bounty weapon takes 190 G1s, which is 24 invitations to mirage if you aren't using tickets.
• An invitation is worth 15 ether fuel, so since level 2 gives you 4 ether fuel spending 24 invitations on this means missing out on 264 ether fuel.
• If you use time swirl passes, it takes 9 runs at 60 per, so 540 tickets a weapon
• Time swirl passes, when used optimally for ether fuel, get you 67 ether fuel per 100 tickets, so 540 tickets is worth 361 Ether Fuel.
• If you instead do runs of level 2 with time swirl that 540 gets you only 216 ether fuel, a net of -145
• However, if you then spend the extra 15 runs saved on level 6 normally you get back 15*11=165 ether fuel, for an extra 20 ether fuel saved per weapon

you also end up with 6 extra g1s this way so I guess in that sense it's 26 fuel saved per weapon, or potentially more if you craft all one weapon

[ancient needle]

Ele taken is the least diluted multiplier afaik, but it's hard to pick between these 2 cuz of the value difference

Mf is relic malding in a game that frees you from that

[ancient needle]

Not just compared to TDM I mean, but in general

[ancient needle]

Ah, your second relic is only lvl 1

[meager osprey]

Can someone help me decide, herrscher of reason or miss pink elf, which one should i unlock?

[shell basin]

Neither of them are especially good for gameplay. Do you like Elysia or Bronya more as a character? If you don’t like one of them more, do you already have other battle suits of one of the characters? Do you have a cope heavy or bow you can equip one of them with?

Eventually you should get both since they’re farmable so really it’s which you want first in that sense

[slim blaze]

The real answer is ER crystals

[shell basin]

Aren’t they both in ER

[lyric anvil]

Yes

Just matters who's cheaper

[slim blaze]

Yes

[shell basin]

They’re both 900

There’s no difference on cost or crystals

And at best they have very niche gameplay use

So I stand by personal preference of which character you like better

[odd pecan]

i have ooooone little question - Vita (if she had a rerun) would be good decision to pull from gacha?

[dry python]

!faq vitapull

[small willow]

No FAQ for 'vitapull' found.

[dry python]

Fuck

!faq pullvita

[small willow]

Vita

Despite being a must-pull on her release, Vita is no longer recommended to pull for.

This is due to a combination of factors:

• New releases take priority.
• Vita cannot support future ring types (no more '???' tag).
• She is not best in Wheel of Destiny teams unless ranked.
• In Law of Ascension teams, she is typically not BiS but it depends on the boss/team.
• Vita DPS relies heavily on HoFi (with Waxing Moon equipped) and is not shilled frequently.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[ancient needle]

(alr can't support GoI btw)

The WoD part is technically false

But WoD itself is pretty deadge ofc

Typically not BiS in LoA my ass

[odd pecan]

i just remembered when there was her skin first time tutorial thing and i liked this skin but didn't pull it

[lyric anvil]

||Vita might become semi dead when 8.4 comes around, well maybe more used? Don't know fully||

[ancient needle]

Very likely more used

Not by nearly enough though

[lyric anvil]

Gotcha

[ancient needle]

ig not necessarily "more used", her main uses will just shift

[lyric anvil]

Yeah

[shadow gyro]

probs it means against sena if both are s, that is if the other slot is alr taken like thele in a que/hohe/lamp leader
but thele lead is with sena and vita right?

but yeah wod is kinda dead alr

[lyric anvil]

WS getting there

[shadow gyro]

senawho n the rare qua weathers ( damn u sparkle)

[ancient needle]

Yes, also JDS lead (not a thing atp ofc) is Vita Thele if you're fighting a non-SD enemy

Regardless of Vita's rank

[shadow gyro]

huh how would that matter? sena doesnt go on field

[ancient needle]

Vita's buffs are better in Phys

[shadow gyro]

but yeah jds currently lives in loa teams

[ancient needle]

And she gives more ARI which JDS very desperately needs

[shadow gyro]

oh ic

[sweet flax]

cant forget vita is the only unit with phys breach as well (at the moment)

[ancient needle]

JDS essentially double dips with Vita

She has extra buffs for having an Ele Breach source

[lyric anvil]

Phys Breach being ER only till 7.8

[shadow gyro]

mhm

[odd pecan]

so...it will not be good decision to pull skin and vita ;0
Then what about Sparkle or Peregrine?
I think Peregrine may be good idea cuz it will good with PAWS and badum
But there's Sparkle
And me having 32k Crystals

[ancient needle]

Sparkle can't support the new AR type as well

While PS can, she's likely to be the first to get replaced in that team

(she still will have some uses there tbf cuz of high hitcount)

[odd pecan]

sooooooo...i shouldn't pull all p2 valks that was before PAWS

[ancient needle]

Yes

8.4 looks good for now, and 8.5 is anni (annis are very good and expensive in general)

[odd pecan]

annis?

[ancient needle]

Essentially you can't really spare crystals if you wanna be pulling new valks

[lyric anvil]

Anniversary

[odd pecan]

Wait...When it happens? I just dont know

[ancient needle]

8.5
In 16 weeks

[odd pecan]

AAAAAAAAAAA...I remembered - when it was March it was Like Lunar new year it was a lot of good things
Yes?

[ancient needle]

Yeah, but Lunar New Year is after the anni

It will probs be 8.5 anni -> 8.6 -> 8.7 LNY

Maybe 8.8 LNY

[lyric anvil]

Wasn't that 8.1?

[ancient needle]

It was

I meant the next one

[lyric anvil]

Gotcha

[rugged sorrel]

736 at rl

[west sandal]

what does this buff mean

[shadow gyro]

variable arm is a new buff in er (for this weather) look above it should be explained there

[west sandal]

oh lol yes found it, thank you!

[west sandal]

just to be sure we need 9600 crystals for vita skin right

[frozen crypt]

Yes

!faq pyramid

[small willow]

Gacha Outfits

Be careful, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's summary [here](#👶beginner-help message) Regarding Gacha (Pyramid) outfits.

Gacha (Pyramid) Outfits

• DO NOT PULL UNLESS YOU CAN HARD PITY. NON-NEGOTIABLE.
  • You need 9600 or 7680 if there is a discount.
• No competitive benefit.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[west sandal]

perfect thank you!

[frozen crypt]

Finally someone who pulls them correctly I hope you get it early and don't skip the supply cards

[west sandal]

yes! I am not pulling this patch and I can afford to spend here despite being f2p. I wouldn't pull otherwise. Also what you mean by don't skip supply cards?

[frozen crypt]

Ah I worded it badly I just mean I hope your game rng doesn't skip them becuse it sucks when it happens lmao, those supply cards technically refund some of the outfit cost

[west sandal]

I am aiming for the supply cards too lol. It cannot be that bad right?

[frozen crypt]

Like 80% of the time its hard pity

For outfit

[west sandal]

i am fine with that as long as the supply card doesnt ditch me 😭

[frozen crypt]

Its quite rare that the supply cards don't drop before the outfit but it happened to me before ahahaha

But I pull a lot of gacha outfits

[west sandal]

I will keep this in mind

[frozen crypt]

It should be fine

[west sandal]

it will be only slightly worse if i don't get it but i have a lot of storyline rewards so I will be alright. waiting for coralie next patcj

[dry python]

Whelyo

[slim blaze]

Using helia hohe fws for abyss rl

Good team?

[quick birch]

should do fine yeah

ofc paws/fws/ps is BiS but HoHe isnt too far off from paws iirc

[vivid horizon]

yeah, in hieu le ref paws/fws/hoh is only 7 points below paws/fws/ps
https://youtu.be/BSkL1Iu0vzM

[slim blaze]

Wgat can i say

No ps

[twilit lion]

Between non AstralOp and AstralOp buuld which one is easier for Helia in ER?

[slim blaze]

Oh so 820+ is prettt normal. Slacc time

Should i try more runs? Or sleep

[glossy hemlock]

how feasible is pulling 8.4 and 8.5 both if i have 17k now and am 27 pulls away from s rank?

[sweet flax]

weapon pity?

[glossy hemlock]

like 59

[sweet flax]

very unlikely then

[glossy hemlock]

how come i was able to pull like almost every patch at the start of part 2 and now im skipping like 2 patches in a row

[sweet flax]

probably good gacha luck

and if you were a beginner at that time, beginner rewards + p2 release rewards probably helped a lot

[glossy hemlock]

also do we know enough about 8.4 now to decide whether pulling 8.3 or 8.4 is a better choice?

[ancient needle]

||Hard to tell tbh, we don't know how good of a GoI support Helia and Coralie are||

||What we do know is that Coralie is a Breach source, and they're generally a lot more valuable||

[glossy hemlock]

feels like i'll just end up waiting for 8.5 valk then

[vivid horizon]

FWIW seems like 8.5 will be at the end of october in global, crystal calc says normal RL income should add 37k by that point, including your 17k and your built pity comes out to ~72k, which seems plausible for two S ranks, and doesn't include event crystals
OTOH 8.5 seems likely to be a major spending event, so might want to save extra for that

[rotund pasture]

Could you help me with teams for abyss and MA?

[ancient needle]

In Abyss your options are Badum PS Songque, PS Badum Songque and Sena Helia Badum

Not sure how these 3 compare for this specific cycle, but only the last one has Paralyze for the transition, so you probs wanna start with that

Helia is geared, right?

[rotund pasture]

She has a crafted weap but all stig

[ancient needle]

Eh, Badum DPS will probs be best then

PS's damage is not melee, so it doesn't benefit from Sampo's and weather's melee buff

[rotund pasture]

Alr will try

[wispy aurora]

I forgot which one it is to salvage bounty or spirit

[outer spruce]

bounty

[wispy aurora]

But I still need a spirit version to make the Bounty right?

[quick birch]

yes

[wispy aurora]

Just making sure been a while since I last did it

[dry star]

thanks!! oh no worries I will level the other relic to the same as the previous one, I just wanted to know which buff is less diluted

I have to relic mald because I am skill issued

[ancient needle]

Gotta fix that first ideally

If you're using the trial Sena Helia Coralie you can just check the in-game tutorial for Sena

(generally speaking you don't wanna be ulting on Helia and Coralie tho)

[dry star]

oh interesting okay
yeah rn I use the trial Helia as a QTE bot to bring in sena and reset her combo

[ancient needle]

Also I don't think relics will save you anyway if you don't get the rot down

[robust panther]

Heyyy i wanted to ask what characters are now meta in the current state of the game

[quick birch]

whoever is new

[ancient needle]

The list of meta valks is pretty long, but meta ≠ worth pulling

Pulling-wise you just wanna prioritize the newest releases (with weaps) if you can afford them

Like, for example, rn it's recommended to get Planar Armament + her weapon

[robust panther]

Are these characters enough for current content to farm gems?

[ancient needle]

Only in lower Abyss tiers (which would be the case on a new acc as well)
If you're asking whether you should make a new acc or restart, imo either is fine (if Vita has her weapon that is)

[robust panther]

Ahhh 😭😭😭

Any recommendations on what to do for now?

[sweet flax]

how many crystals do you have at the moment

[robust panther]

Less then 300

[ancient needle]

And can you show your weap and stig inventories

[robust panther]

Yeah sure one sec

[quick birch]

why is sparkle weapon there
tbh the account does not hold that much value

[robust panther]

I know

[ancient needle]

No Vita weapon
Yeah, it'll be a lot more comfy on a new one

(higher crystal income too ofc)

[robust panther]

Cant be helped

Should i focus on saving crystals on new acc and wait for new characters?

[ancient needle]

On a new acc you can go for Planar Armament + her weapon straight away, new acc income is massive

And there is a lot of time left (5 weeks)

[robust panther]

Planar armament is the current banner right?

[dry python]

Weapon but no stigs is pretty impressive ngl

[robust panther]

It was a spur of the momment 🥲

[ancient needle]

They just meant you got lucky

[robust panther]

Ohh

[ancient needle]

Cuz in general you're quite likely to finish the entire stig set before you get the weapon

[robust panther]

Yeah idk how that happened it was a single pull

[acoustic briar]

the pity on this banner restarts at each new one right ?

[quick birch]

no

weapon banner pity carries over

[abstract sequoia]

pity carries over for Equipment, Battlesuit, AstralOP and Dorm Supply.

ADV and Carnival banners are the only banners that feature valks and do not carry pity over (Carnival only within the same patch). Neither do the equipment equivalents.

[robust panther]

Can anyone be my sensei?

[quick birch]

i think i have a spot left

205573423

for the future we also have #🇪🇺-cadet-recruit if you ever want a cadet yourself or make a alt account idk

[hidden cave]

Probably late but I'm also available lol

[humble kraken]

who here gets ult fastest cuz i gotta do this challenge where i do ult 3 times

[vivid horizon]

yeah, she's really the MVP of those annoying objectives
best not to level her up any farther

also use SI lead for initial SP

[dark karma]

What's up with the new ely realm effect this week

The 13 arms

[heavy oar]

hey guys i quit when it was like 6.8 or smth (super long ago) and i lowkey wanna get back into honkai whats the move. im lvl88, had everything that was meta in 6.8 and placed in rl regularly so i dont wanna restart unless absolutely necessary

[vivid horizon]

seems like a good opportunity to clear inferno on weak valks
https://youtu.be/-LeKrliWKfE

[storm lantern]

restarting is recommended not necessary but you're gonna have to save for a while assuming you quit without many saved (p2 generally wants you to pick up back to back releases for compatibility), i'd have low expectations with regards to abyss rank since you left for a long time

#💁gameplay-help message

[vivid horizon]

I imagine if you had good coverage in 6.8 you should be fine up to a2/3 with what you have and can start to pick up p2 releases strategically
what's your crystal/card balance?

[dark karma]

I don't understand it

What should I do?

[vivid horizon]

seems like take the 5 load buff that increases variable arms damage and collect as many signets/cores as possible
or ignore it and play like normal and get some extra damage along the way

[slim blaze]

Lol

[dark karma]

Do they count as summon?

[dark karma]

Done first testing

Answer : no only Mobi after core

[void mural]

I have a question for currnt Arena. They show Helia as the reccomanded team leader but everyone seems to use Sus as the Leader

I was curious why

also should I go sus or Helia as leader?

[ancient needle]

Not much to say other than "it's just better cuz of how the MA timer works"

[sweet flax]

both work, the important thing is you have paws for the paralyze

[ancient needle]

If you have BiS teams for both SSS bosses you should use them

[sweet flax]

if you check some of the other scores on leaderboard you will see helia teams as well

[ancient needle]

If you don't, you've gotta elaborate more on your valks

Also, if you aren't actually going to mald the perfect runs the pick doesn't really matter, but Helia leader should be more comfy

[sweet flax]

oh ye teammate, do you know any non-paws runs for sampo boss

or just take the L

[void mural]

If I use Helia team for First part which should I use for second? I don't have Loli Dudu.

[sweet flax]

why would you use rs for guaymas when you have fws jds and a ranked dsa

[ancient needle]

Because RS DPS is BiS

[sweet flax]

fr?

[ancient needle]

Yes
RS FWS JDS

[sweet flax]

I take back my statement then, I was mis-informed

but wouldnt you want to use fws with paws on first?

[ancient needle]

PS DPS is better

And you run PAWS Sparkle as supps

[sweet flax]

ah sparkle

well seeing as they have no sparkle, I dont think that's much of an option

could do jds dps on second boss in that case

[ancient needle]

Actually, wait, lemme double check smth

[void mural]

I do have Sparkle as well

[sweet flax]

[ancient needle]

Nvm

[sweet flax]

what were you checking

[ancient needle]

Double checking the BiS comps

[ancient needle]

I'd probs do PAWS HoHE PS and Badum JDS Sparkle

[sweet flax]

sena dps could also be a consideration since ranked

[ancient needle]

Terrible in MA tho

[sweet flax]

ah

btw teammate how cooked is no paws for sampo

[ancient needle]

Relatively speaking ofc

[ancient needle]

Retainable in RL

Apparently HoO DPS with GD is the second best option

[sweet flax]

so... demoot + no arena emblem refresh

[sweet flax]

you got a ref?

[ancient needle]

iirc water linked it in #💁gameplay-help yesterday

From bili

[void mural]

I used this. Welp. Won't be beating any record but it cleared SSS

[ancient needle]

If you only care about getting full rewards the requirements are very lenient

[sweet flax]

the requirements are "clear a decent run"

decent can be slow as fuck you are still getting the crystals

just no emblem if that's the goal

[ancient needle]

Or Asaphie? idr for sure

[sweet flax]

this one?

[ancient needle]

Oh wow, neither
Yes

[sweet flax]

😭

bro I thought I was going crazy not finding it

ah fuck they are using eepy teri

[quick birch]

Isn't your HoO cooked anyway

[sweet flax]

a man can try