👶beginner-help

[fallen shale]

That being this

[spiral badge]

coralie can operate as a decent dps early on but so can TA. Between the two, i rather drop TA since cora at least is boosting PS' LS as per RoO

[fallen shale]

Coralie > RC > Kira

[hybrid heron]

alright that was helpful, thank you sairaan

[spiral badge]

if anything in those guides don't make sense to you feel free to ask btw just like before

[fallen shale]

I didn't know TA could DPS I basically thought of her as a perma support lol

[spiral badge]

and do take your time with the game. Expect to be overwhelmed. It is an old game

[fallen shale]

Well these teams are locked for the week so TA is stuck with PS and Coralie is stuck on side 2

[spiral badge]

ah stick with that then but keep it in mind for next time

[hybrid heron]

alright sounds good

[fallen shale]

If I get JK within the week I could give her with Hohe a shot though

[spiral badge]

and well unless you really want to optimize and rank well, i don't really care about scoring highly in MA since you don't really get rewarded well for it. What's more important is you just clear for challenge rewards

[fallen shale]

With a better Hohe build probably

[spiral badge]

JK might be a bit more awkward in memorial arena btw

so last time we spoke i hinted at her signature weapon being important for her

[fallen shale]

Oh yeah

But you put a pin in it because I don't have JK yet lol

[spiral badge]

the main thing JK wants to do every rotation is to ult which costs a whopping 150 sp, and additional sp for more buffs if you have any excess (you can turn this off). The ult grants the team elemental breach allowing them to bypass some elemental res stats of enemies

there's other buffs going on too but this is the main one.

the reason why the weapon is important and also why nebulous is an ok secondary option is because these weapons restore a ton of sp

[fallen shale]

Is this why TA also wants nebulous?

[spiral badge]

now the reason why memorial arena is awkward for JK is because you don't start with any sp in arena.

HoHE as a leader does make ice valks on the team start with some but it's not too much

[spiral badge]

not really

we just give that to her because newer players wouldnt' have any other stronger weapons for free

the reason why TA actually does ok damage is because she can inflict impair all by herself to bypass enemy def stats. but this impair only last long enough for herself

and of all the farmables, she's one of the more later released ones too

[fallen shale]

Huh

[spiral badge]

while i am explaining all this, i do encourage you to double check and review valk descriptions too to see for yourself

and get a grasp of understanding/parsing skill descriptions in this game

not everyone would be willing to explain to the extent that i do either so at some point it may be helpful to know how to do it on your own

you can also ask where in the skills something is mentioned too

another way to go about this is to bring up the valk page on the wiki and to search through it. Not the most practical since you still need to search across multiple tabs of skills

but probably better than just reading blue on blue text without a search function lol

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Terminal_Aide_0017

so you can try clicking the special attack tab and searching impair here to see what i was talking about earlier

[fallen shale]

Yeah the in-game descriptions are just really wordy and there's a lot of skills so I find it difficult to pin down what I should be focusing on

Like I did manage to hunt down what part of Coralie's kit has a damage buff on it but it did feel like a bit of a hunt lol

[spiral badge]

yeah for sure

some cases are definitely absurd and unreasonable for less familiar players

but overall a big part of improving in hi3 is to understand these finer details and alot of it can be from these descriptions

so that's why i'm encouraging you to dip into it lightly this way to get started at least

i don't really expect players to go the full extent either but at least know that's where an answer may be

[fallen shale]

I already struggle to read hoyo descriptions in their other games lol

[spiral badge]

you can always ask if there's any issue understanding something for this one but yeah i understand

[fallen shale]

I do have one question rn

Why is Coralie's ult bad? I get why I probably shouldn't do it on support but it seems good on DPS?

I was just told I shouldn't do it

[spiral badge]

oh for dps i have no clue

but as a support, it takes more time than it's worth in exalted abyss

i think some parts of its animation does slow down the arena clock and probably the q-manifold clock so maybe it's more worth considering there at your level

also the benefits from the ult are

• 3 ARI
• puts you at max 3 buff stacks but you can get this by manual using weapon actives
• applies serious hammering debuff but the enemy needs to be on field for this, which isn't really the case if you're using it before they're spawned. Again you can get this by doing the weapon finisher manually.
  • Ult also doesn't trigger your stellar drain but for your purposes, you'll just get that later as you rotate the team
• triggers tsiol set 2pc effect but you also can enter outburst to trigger this instead

[fallen shale]

So aside from the damage I can just do jump attack weapon skill and achieve the same things?

But like, faster?

[spiral badge]

for the most part yeah

you won't get the first and last effect i listed

seems like people do opt for the ult as a dps https://youtu.be/DyuqFclQaUs?feature=shared&t=64

[haughty elbow]

that 3 energy is just compensation for the energy loss from how slow it hits

[spiral badge]

yes but if you're casting it when there's no enemies to hit then it's extra energy relatively lol

but yeah

[fallen shale]

So I wasn't wrong to only be using it with coraleader?

[spiral badge]

anyway that video isn't really a serious scoring video so don't read into it too deeply

idk

this is the only cora dps video i know of

[fallen shale]

Lol

Well hopefully I don't need to use Cora dps for too much longer

Just need to get Hohe a real build and she can go hang out with PS full time

[storm lantern]

sairaan do you have the video of really cope ss ma teams, i remember dxy was one of the bosses with a hua battlesuit as dps

[spiral badge]

again you might move TA to the hohe team

[storm lantern]

i think its a really funny showcase of how the timer works

[spiral badge]

uhh any other details you can tell me?

[fallen shale]

Oh hey Kanba

[storm lantern]

hi chaos

[fallen shale]

Did I tell you I got the weapon at 25 pity :>

[spiral badge]

i don't think cora field time alone will be enough before PS rotates back though so maybe add in SI, CH, HoS, or RC idk

i originally said Kira but kira is basically always off field early game as a support (turn off her envoy of paradise skill)

[storm lantern]

that's all i can remember, i tried looking for it in my yt history but ig i only watched it in the embed

[fallen shale]

As in TA is eating too much of Cora's buff?

[spiral badge]

was it some triple hua team

[spiral badge]

no

[storm lantern]

it could have been

[fallen shale]

Or did I misread your post entirely

[spiral badge]

when you swap off of PS to coralie, PS goes on a swap cooldown

even though you're not QTEing her out (this will make the CD longer), i'm not sure if the CD is still too long for cora to handle alone

it'll be awkward if you finish cora's debuff attack and still need to wait before sushang can swap back in

[fallen shale]

Oh you're saying someone other than TA might not be on field long enough?

[spiral badge]

even worse it'll be bad if sushang misses the timing of the attack to enable her qte

yeah

[obsidian lynx]

Is there a limit to the amount of roving in a day

[spiral badge]

definitely not kira since kira shouldn't really be on field lol

[fallen shale]

Lmao

[amber finch]

yes

[spiral badge]

yes it's based on your ingredients roved

[obsidian lynx]

oh so if I miss a day I can make it back the next reswt

[fallen shale]

Would SI suffice?

RC I tend to use with Hohe at least until I get JK

Though in this case if we're talking putting TA with Hohe then I guess RC would be free lmao

Isn't RC's field time also low though

[spiral badge]

SI really wants S rank to sustain her sp more

[spiral badge]

yeah but in this case we're replacing RC with TA right?

i'm not even sure if RC is enough time either tbh. She's quite fast in dipping in and out

you'll have to try it

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/ltQJ4kc.png sounds like it is that but i can't find the specific video atm

[lilac reef]

Sorry I sometimes use the channels interchangeably

[spiral badge]

yeah i understand. just start being more mindful about it

[lilac reef]

Will do

[spiral badge]

it's ok if it happens briefly or is relevant to a newer player's interest, but this place shouldn't be a primary place for it. The topic shouldn't be brought up out of the blue with it. If you forgot and realize later than just mention that and change channels.

[timid quest]

which char. should I pick in Valkyrie Option Egg: S? I'm new and kinda confuse

[rotund pasture]

But who support now? Sonq Sus?

[storm lantern]

probably but you can try hohe over sus bc of weather, i imagine hohe is still worse but not that confident

[ancient needle]

Check "S-rank Egg" in the pins

[timid quest]

Oooo, okay thank you!

[rotund pasture]

Do I use Sus‘ CA and Skill too or just the first skill and ult when support?

[abstract sequoia]

I'd say skip CA, same as you would skip Charged WA on badum support

with less dmg they're just moves that cost you more time than they're worth

[steep drift]

since the rest of these are in the shop now so we're probably not going to get free ones soon or another box - is it viable to use this to get a DK I'm missing?

[ancient needle]

Unless you actually need the +10 ATK I wouldn't risk it

Are you slivering rn?

[steep drift]

slivering?

[ancient needle]

Missing a teensy bit of HP to get to a certain breakpoint

[steep drift]

I don't think so

[spiral badge]

there's no guarantees they won't give those away again in the future

even after FHD was available in a past bp, it became available again in a box later

even though judah and sakura are already available in exchange and foundry, they're still available in this perm bp shop

and if they give away one of the four again, they may not give them away in the same format. Instead of all four it may be just one of the four

so if you rush to pick now, you're risking the possibility of being stuck with a dupe someday

and while it sounds silly to be so cautious of such an unforeseeable future over something minor like 10 atk, the opposite holds true too. It's because it's so minor that it's not important to force a decision now unless you're in a scenario that teammate mentioned

if you want a different analogy, they made elves very regularly affordable via spending events now and yet they're giving us a free elf selector box this patch too

[abstract sequoia]

were there other elf giveaways in the past outside of water's edge?

[frozen crypt]

Not to my knowledge

[amber finch]

this is the first ever good elf giveaway

[amber finch]

also wegde was the only one iirc

returned to the game bc of that

[spiral badge]

yeah should just be wedge

although klein does deserve a slight special mention where on/close to its debut it was already available in the spending event shop

this was back during a time before elves in spending events was a norm

[abstract sequoia]

makes sense when they used to be what astralops are now

[spiral badge]

otherwise elves have been in supply shop so you can pick up some older elves that way too

that's how i got my selune anyway

[amber finch]

jingwei wings was just so bad bc she’s too old tho

was she ever good actually

[frozen crypt]

Jww was very useful when abyss had the self bleed mechanic

[amber finch]

there we go

[spiral badge]

wasn't there an ER kalpas strat that uses jww too? idr

[frozen crypt]

BE was also good

But more for MA than abyss

[abstract sequoia]

this probably went well with flamescion if that was the same time

[spiral badge]

BE actually was important for breaking shields like kallen and such back then yeah

[frozen crypt]

No HFS was post superstring

[spiral badge]

also husk clock hitcount if you don't have the better options?

[frozen crypt]

Superstring got added around/before HoT did

[abstract sequoia]

ah okay

[frozen crypt]

Because they spammed BKE boss

[spiral badge]

i think they may have changed how elves interact with hc shields now though? idr

[abstract sequoia]

why would they stop that

[spiral badge]

hey i'm not the dev here lol

[frozen crypt]

I have no idea about that lol

[abstract sequoia]

i mean it wouldn't be terrible meta-wise if people can pick up older elfs that are bad anyway

[spiral badge]

the shop has always been rotating to borderline meta stuff

and elves were just part of that like any other thing

[abstract sequoia]

oh, so they were equal to stamps

although stamps are semi-meta in there

i still wouldn't know where i'd need LV now after PS release

[spiral badge]

tribunal maybe

[amber finch]

wonder if the type adv would help her t1

[abstract sequoia]

this one? https://youtu.be/baMXBorRU1A

[amber finch]

the one and only

[abstract sequoia]

looks like a fun boss

design-wise at least

[amber finch]

not fun at all when your ce misses the fucking running shielders for the 50th time

[abstract sequoia]

that just sounds like potential man striking again

[amber finch]

tbf thats just me because i use ce kira

the transition is just hotr spam

[abstract sequoia]

couldnt even get PS to 0s assaka with CE support

with a "small" gear issue but still

[sweet flax]

Define small

[abstract sequoia]

signature is lvl 50 of her smol version

rest is copium

[sweet flax]

[abstract sequoia]

what can i do, van gogh would be a grief to pickup without lv

or susannah gear for starters

[sweet flax]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-griffin-family-guy-stewie-gif-12097451880475448894

[abstract sequoia]

especially now after this patch

[naive pivot]

i got it without either because the only other thing i had at the time was a scuffed sirin that just couldn't play the game half the cycles

[abstract sequoia]

being a zoomer p2 player is tough..

[naive pivot]

i started in 6.6

[sweet flax]

Ok zoomer

[naive pivot]

i started 1 day after you did

[abstract sequoia]

7.3 week 6

[naive pivot]

imagine

[frozen crypt]

[abstract sequoia]

all i caught from part 1 is how people were shocked that coop got removed

oh and me missing firepower anyway because I had 0 clue what that even was

[frozen crypt]

People were shocked?

[abstract sequoia]

some people still miss it

armadas feel shallow now without it

and i kinda agree, i mean what is even armada anymore but a mats farm

[frozen crypt]

Leaderboard aura

[abstract sequoia]

0 rewards

[frozen crypt]

Coop being removed isn't what killed armada it was the removal of matrix space without a better armada gamemode as a replacement

[abstract sequoia]

i've also heard many times that coop had the same old stages for years

[frozen crypt]

Most active people were extremely happy that coop raid got removed

It did yeah

[abstract sequoia]

i guess it was just nostalgia for them then

can't relate without knowing what it was, except for 1 single coop event they still ran after removing actual coop

[naive pivot]

co-op was straight ass, people would just randomly alt F4 halfway through the session and then you wouldn't be able to continue since nobody joins in the middle

[frozen crypt]

It was dogshit because people used to leave midway through and if that happened you basically had to do all 6 stages again because there was no hope of finding someone else who also needed stage 3

I used to do it with 2 of my friends and even then it was boring as shit because it was stale content and it was way too easy

[amber finch]

fuck coop

[abstract sequoia]

sounds like hoyo lacked motivation to continue maintenance

[amber finch]

[amber finch]

(i was the person who left midway in a coop session)

[frozen crypt]

Fuck you

[abstract sequoia]

or add new stuff to it, while making sure no new valk breaks everything

[amber finch]

it was for a good reasoj

[abstract sequoia]

(caught a glimpse of fov ult bug)

[frozen crypt]

No it wasn't

[old tendon]

universal mirage had ok coop

[frozen crypt]

They should have kept the mirage coop

[amber finch]

UM coop was fun, shouldve kept it

[frozen crypt]

No reason to remove it bc it was optional

[old tendon]

i still remember in early days help of armada buddy with ice mirage 6

good times

[amber finch]

i want to help newbies clear um

[abstract sequoia]

oh god i have nightmares from that stage

[amber finch]

honestly um is just insanely easy the moment you get someone who isnt 50 years old

aside from the kallen stage where you’re forced to use phys ofc

[frozen crypt]

Xd

[solar drum]

does anyone know what buffs the dkeys in the foundry give

[abstract sequoia]

Yes, Fenghuang Pinions and Abyss give +10 atk IF you have one weapon already in the same slot (FHD or Brick for Pinions, Abyss Flower for Abyss), don't craft them yet if that's not the case. Pledge of Sakura is a straight +10 atk and unlocks Lightning Gene Limit if you haven't gotten Judah yet.

also Pinions is kinda an interesting copium weapon for Eden i'd say

[solar drum]

i saw the wiki guide and it seems so

[abstract sequoia]

just be aware that you have to cast the WA twice to inflict lightning dmg taken

[solar drum]

then i might consider the sakura cross then

[abstract sequoia]

yeah go for the cross first

oath of judah is also on the table, but the grind is much longer

because you'll have to get it from exchange shop

and whatever you see in reserve shop in bp for both of these crosses, it's bait to waste crystallum

[solar drum]

how long would getting 10 crystallum take

my bet is over a month

[frozen crypt]

2 patches f2p

!faq balls

[small willow]

Immutable Crystallums

Hey there, Captain!

Crystallums are a Battle Pass Currency that can be exchanged for Valkyries and Equipment in the Reserve Works. Captains who purchase Knight or Paladin BP can access the BP Works for 3 versions.

There are 3 BP tiers offering different amounts of Crystallums as follows:
-# The totals below account for the 2 Crystallums in the Dorm Shop.

• Vanguard (F2P) BP: 5 per patch
• Knight BP: 18 per patch
• Paladin BP: 24 per patch

It is recommended to spend your Crystallums on Divine Keys that you have yet to collect for permanent account-wide ATK bonuses. See the list [here](#👶beginner-help message).

Feel free to ask us for account specific advice - especially if you buy BP!

[solar drum]

ofc

[ancient needle]

Not the "an Utu" again 😭

[frozen crypt]

Yea I'm too lazy I should just change it to an uwu

[ancient needle]

🗿

[autumn oxide]

@frozen crypt shd i get vq weap

[frozen crypt]

eh why

its not even needed for doom 0sec

would you really use her outside of that

[autumn oxide]

sss vita

[frozen crypt]

huh

[autumn oxide]

and also its not rly that bad of a decision imo; its just -1 patch for one dkey

[autumn oxide]

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1vJwLeAER7

no aladupes so i’ll score a bit worse but cant be that bad right

[frozen crypt]

I personally don't really see the value but I also am not familiar with VQ's capabilities on bosses as a cope cuz I don't use her, I'm not sure how close you could get to these scrores with purana instead

do you have purana even?

[autumn oxide]

yea pri60 rn

[frozen crypt]

ic

theres also the issue of do you have the matz to even max vq wep then lole

[autumn oxide]

eh i can always take my time with it

i only really see myself possibly needing it next week

[frozen crypt]

new qua valk by then zzzzzz

try purana, if the score isn't good enough then consider it

but eeh

[autumn oxide]

she still has a, albeit niche, okish ma coverage imo

[frozen crypt]

get a second opinion for sure

I'm a VQ hater

[autumn oxide]

its vintage so i gotta get it now

[frozen crypt]

what

[autumn oxide]

or like by the end of the patch but yea

[frozen crypt]

wait until next week

bc of this

[obsidian lynx]

should i be buying dsa stamp if I have the divine keys

[autumn oxide]

i asked ches and then gaslit him into telling me its a good idea

[frozen crypt]

if u don't need it next week I wouldn't rlly bother

[autumn oxide]

consider weap sync too

sena ranks kinda ass till sss tbh

[frozen crypt]

well hoyo likes shilling qua randomly but it depends if vq really scores better than just bruteforcing

[autumn oxide]

ss double eva is nice but she has like one boss and its this cycle

[autumn oxide]

and she loses the boss if ure not heavily ranked; iirc 6s minimum

[autumn oxide]

real, idk man

[obsidian lynx]

Sena wep sync 4% dmg

[fallen shale]

is planeroid ok to spend?

[obsidian lynx]

What about waiting for qua teri and gear to enter bp

these balls don't expire right

[autumn oxide]

nop doesnt

and if ure regular bp buyer u shd hv enough again by then tbh

[quick birch]

U should have enough by then just be aware that Chars+ weapons outside of reserve work are locked behind buying a higher BP tier

[ancient needle]

Well, Sena DPS is almost dead, and her ranks matter mostly there

While synergies can be useful for WoD comps if your Vita doesn't have ranks

[ancient needle]

She has a very solid score on SSS Vita at the very least

[steep scroll]

is herrscher of sentience good for rs?

[frozen crypt]

not rs dps, she wants 2 other valks with heavenly shift tag

if you don't have that maybe it can be a usable cope but ehhhhh

[steep scroll]

oh...

can i use hos anywhere?

[frozen crypt]

rs can support HoS dps if you have brick

but brick is very niche

[steep scroll]

nah I'm not that brickrd xd

[quick birch]

I mean she has her bosses but those are very rare and you probably can't compete with others that already have ranks in HoS herself or other teammates

[ancient needle]

Bosses? Plural?

[quick birch]

As a support for HoRb DPS

Starless sk

[ancient needle]

Ah, true, thought we were talking about HoS DPS specifically for whatever reason

[frozen crypt]

xd

SS MA

[rotund pasture]

Okay

Tho idk what u mean by charged wa

[abstract sequoia]

the one where she shoots rice cake

with the full bar

[wintry wharf]

buying sena stamps in bp is more worth than buying the full character right ?

[ancient needle]

idr the prices, but a valk dupe is 50 frags, while 1 stamp is 10 frags

[wintry wharf]

the problem is i dun remember the max number of stamps i could buy and the price

[old tendon]

Character card is 32 balls and you get char or 5 stamps
Stamp is 4 balls and you can buy 5
Ill leave the rest of math to you

[wintry wharf]

character costs 12 balls more

[abstract sequoia]

+10 stamps either way if you whale hard enough

should be doable before bp runs out

[wintry wharf]

wdym if i buy all 5 stamps i dun think ill have 10 left

even with paladin

[abstract sequoia]

i mean that sena stays for 1/3rd of a year

if i saw that correctly

yeah 168d 18h

[old tendon]

yeah

[abstract sequoia]

next bp is in 49 days

lasts 60 now

assuming the 49d is just rounded up, you can get 2 more bps

or 66 crystallum max with paladin bp, 48 with knight for sena. Plus the 4 orbs in 2 versions means 68/50 max

you should be able to get all stamps then with just 1 paladin and knight for the other 2 bps

unless you want a weapon synergy

knowing immutable balls stay permanent, this is tempting

can still convert 2 more

[ancient needle]

Toruses are farmable leh

[abstract sequoia]

but version limited

9 weeks

i didn't even max HoH wep yet

last upgrade was thel wep for a 0s on assaka

[ancient needle]

That's sleep deprivation talking, just farm up them Toruses

[abstract sequoia]

fine

you're right, 2 balls are not worth 30 torus

[ancient needle]

I can see the "" even without you sending it

[abstract sequoia]

nah actually fine

i want dks and eop

best to not waste anything

should be 2 dks from reserve

[celest shard]

I think getting my last 2 missing keys was a good use of this BP

[abstract sequoia]

I got Zaychik M first to finally make her 4/4, mostly for personal reasons but the damage difference is huge (I actually overkill MA Flower now)

[celest shard]

Good investment

[dapper dock]

!faq valk tier list dps

[sweet flax]

Ram didnt sleep since yesterday?

I knew that I'll close soon was bs

[dapper dock]

!faq pull

[quick birch]

only profs and above can use faq commands

[dapper dock]

!faq meta

[celest shard]

Yep, tiers are a lie

[sweet flax]

Brother you cant use faq commands, use the search bar on discord to find them instead

There's literally a pin, written in bold and blue, about pulls

Have you tried checking there first

[dapper dock]

is not for pulls brother, is for upgrade my valks from S to SS i have 5 to pick thats why

[ancient needle]

A-ranks? S-ranks?

[sweet flax]

Is it from the purple gacha egg? Just prioritise one of them it makes no difference who

[dapper dock]

yeahhhhhhhhhhh

a to S

[sweet flax]

[ancient needle]

No, I'm asking whether you wanna rank up valks whose base rank is A or whose base rank is S

[dapper dock]

to raise my DORM level

[sweet flax]

Can you send a ss of what you're talking about

[dapper dock]

base rank A

[ancient needle]

If you're talking about SP valks (+ Coralie and Helia), then check the Asterite Investment List in the pins
If you're talking about other A-ranks, then it doesn't matter at all who you prioritize

[dapper dock]

@ancient needle SSS Coralie and S Helia
To minmax, unlock Coralie via the free card from Part 2 story (+10 frags). what chapter is thar? or is in the last open world?

[ancient needle]

It's the first chapter of Part 2

[dapper dock]

the 1st one ? Tides of time?

this?

[ancient needle]

No, that's 3-EX

[dapper dock]

to none god pray chp?

[ancient needle]

Leave this menu

[dapper dock]

k

[ancient needle]

You should be in an open world rn, you can press the quest button under the minimap

[ancient needle]

Oh, you've alr done some story
Then you should alr have Coralie

[dapper dock]

ahhhh

let me check

yeah lol. well then raise her to sss right?

tkssss 🙂

[ancient needle]

Do you have her sig hammer though, you should've got it from the story as well

The red one

[ancient needle]

Yes, I've seen this screenshot alr

[dapper dock]

3

maybe need continue story?

[ancient needle]

Yes, and you're in the wrong chapter group here

Follow this: #👶beginner-help message

[abstract sequoia]

nah i slept

for like 5 hours

[sweet flax]

uh huh

[abstract sequoia]

i'm not stupid, wednesday is a weak day for me and I need it

[sweet flax]

Go to sleep at 10 man 😭

[storm lantern]

i havent really found anything worth giving up sleep for

[sweet flax]

One time crystal grinding because you're 4 pulls off weapon

[storm lantern]

i'd spend like 10 bucks to sleep instead tbh

[abstract sequoia]

Alman times

also how when abyss ends as 11

[sweet flax]

Get a perfect run at 9

[abstract sequoia]

yea gl with that

[storm lantern]

get a good score earlier

[sweet flax]

Have dinner, brush your teeth and read smthn for half an hour

[storm lantern]

you dont need to snipe anything if your score is unbeatable

[abstract sequoia]

sounds like you don't do that either

[storm lantern]

[sweet flax]

Not all the time, but its been a healthy habit I'm including

[sweet flax]

Yesterday was an exception, needed to what that ucl match

[ancient needle]

(don't have this for dinner ideally)

[sweet flax]

[sweet flax]

Vita or the popcorn?

[ancient needle]

🤨 📸

[sweet flax]

Can you blame me

It's a very valid question

[storm lantern]

[fleet edge]

is there any items or stuff i should avoid using on early game

[sweet flax]

Generally wasting resources on valks that are weak and foundry equipment that you have no use for should be avoided

[haughty elbow]

cards

they arent free pulls and shouldnt be treated as so
gotta plan them like u plan ur crystals

[charred basin]

who uses this?

[sweet flax]

Not necessarily used by anyone nowadays, it's main purpose is to serve as a dkey to sync with pinions/brick for +10atk on your account

[charred basin]

oh..

[abstract sequoia]

It's original purpose was as a DPS weapon for AE

not sure if that held true after it got a pri-arm form

[sweet flax]

Still think its better on phoenix than it was on ae

[sweet flax]

Because of this

[abstract sequoia]

ah

time to read up on it i guess, incase someone gets either from the egg

[sweet flax]

Nebs on ae is just too good

When she was relevant

[abstract sequoia]

pretty weapon too, i wish they'd do more of those

[abstract sequoia]

canon weapon tbh

[sweet flax]

They're all fu hua anyways

[abstract sequoia]

i mean if you read the second eruption manga, yknow why

[sweet flax]

Ah you meant that

Smh story discussion in beginner help

[abstract sequoia]

i didn't say for what

[sweet flax]

[fleet edge]

well who should i pull then

[steep scroll]

I'm at lvl 60 rn will it be long til i get to 80? (and that's when i should get serious about the game right?

[wanton canopy]

In a ballpark you can reach exalted within 1 month

[frozen crypt]

you need to lock in from the first second you log on

[wanton canopy]

Like does it need the gamer lean?

[storm lantern]

81+ is when you start competing against other players in abyss yeah, how competitive you want to be depends on you

you can try to get the best scores you can as soon as you breakthrough or stop after a dozen runs or so or wait to mald until you have bis teams

[steep scroll]

exalted?

[wanton canopy]

Basically captain lvl 81+

[steep scroll]

nah i js want enough rewards to pull favorites. i don't mind the meta or leaderboards as long as i can clear for most rewards (possibly all)

man idk why but saving is so satisfying (coming from someone who'd do singles the second they had enough money for it)

[frozen crypt]

yeah dw I was joking xddd

if you don't care about pulling weapons (i.e. you don't care about good combat performance/missing utility) you can just chill in a low abyss rank and never 'get serious'
the best thing you can do early on is just play consistently

[gaunt oak]

does vv shred work for electro-charged dmg?

[frozen crypt]

vv shred? am I stupid?

[storm lantern]

this is the hi3 server not genshin

[gaunt oak]

wait im cooked mb

[frozen crypt]

villv shred

real

[storm lantern]

true

[naive pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/someone-cooked-here-breaking-bad-bryan-cranston-walter-white-heisenberg-gif-13265436134592901394

[thorn ember]

I don't understand, is Mobious' ultimate a burst or no?

[sweet flax]

its not a burst mode no

[thorn ember]

oh okay

[torpid orbit]

the word is a bit misleading, burst in HI3rd doesn’t refer to a single big chunk of dmg within a single temporal unit, but to Burst Mode, where you continuously remain in an empowered state, sometimes at the cost of SP
what White Comet (first Kiana battlesuit in the game, which whom the game starts) has as her ult for instance is a Burst Mode

[naive pivot]

bayonetta at home

[sweet flax]

I still find it funny that mobius' ult isnt considered a burst mode (which makes sense since her abilities dont change)

[quick birch]

there's also a burst tag which you can filter valkyries by to make sure if they have a burst mode or not

[eager creek]

when did the new patch start?

[quick birch]

24th of april, in the future you can also check the scheduel in #💁gameplay-help pins

[eager creek]

im only finding out now lmao

[slim blaze]

Crimson impulse burst mode ez

[torpid orbit]

I don’t remember what her ult even was anymore

[prisma wave]

which lv can i have the 7 days login reward?

[thorn ember]

oh yes, I know but she still has some buff after her ultimate so I couldn't really tell if it's considered a burst mode or not

[abstract sequoia]

wait really, that low poly slice is a burst mode?

[thick bolt]

If it's a new account you should be able to see it as soon as you're done with the tutorial
probably level 16 latest

[prisma wave]

now im lv 26

im not see anything

does i ignored the event?i not see anything in event and i not receive any reward

[torpid orbit]

ah! yeah, true

[thick bolt]

Check to see if you have a green book called the starter manual in the bottom middle of the bridge.
If you don't have it then the account you're on would be an old account in which case it'd be better to start a new one

[low kestrel]

today is the abyss guys and i think i'm cooked

21760 in redlotus 😭

21800 💀

[haughty elbow]

scores arent that high

[lone crater]

if you have the right teams its quite reasonable to get above 800

[low kestrel]

never in my life i'm getting 800 in redlotus

[sterile river]

[lone crater]

well its just depend on weather

and if u got the right units

[sweet flax]

if it happens once, it will happen again, you just gotta put effort into the first time

[restive shell]

hey new player here do i go for sushang or wait for next unit ?

[thick bolt]

Sushang if you're playing consistently since that way you can get both
Definitely get weapon

pulling pin #👶beginner-help message

[restive shell]

i meant is she better then whoevers next?

[thick bolt]

Different coverage and niches, no point of comparison apart form || bio coverage ||
And with new player income you can get both already

[restive shell]

oh okay ❤️ thanks you and does pity transfer for the next bannner

[thick bolt]

yup

[restive shell]

thank youuu ❤️ btw i have a box in my inventory i think its her cards things

[thick bolt]

you can checkout the "supplies explained" pin if you're unsure

Best case for the box is to use it to get the missing piece once you're done pulling for the weapon (if you are pulling the weapon)
using it before that adds the risk of getting a dupe and missing out on a piece for the set

[restive shell]

oh okay thank you so much ❤️

[thorn ember]

When does bitterness for a sleepwalker supposed to happen?

[thick bolt]

After ch 3, before ch 4
It is Chapter 3EX

[thorn ember]

ooh I started doing it after 1ch

welp

[thick bolt]

well, I don't suggest continuing, it has very major spoilers
like seriously

[thorn ember]

well I think it's too late

if it's about ||Oxia and Lan-something being the one place and getting split|| it not then maybe not that late

[round pebble]

what is the best team going right now for theresa & vita as team leaders? two respective teams ofc

[thick bolt]

Teri sparkle thelema
Vita HoFi Coralie

[round pebble]

huh, hasnt changed much I see

or rather at all

[thick bolt]

no other RoO valk has released for Vita so
and qua has sparkle and teri has mainstays

[verbal flame]

Is there any possibility of Echo ot Paradise to appear in exchange shop?

[old tendon]

you can check the list yourself in the exchange shop actually, but let's see

[verbal flame]

Ok

[old tendon]

KoRadiance newest pistols in the exchange so no, no possibility

weird how raven's bow is here but not mobi cross

both were 5.2

[sweet flax]

Not like it matters io cross is ass

[old tendon]

shut

[sweet flax]

If anything they're doing io simps a solid

Speaking as an io simp

[verbal flame]

So Echo of Paradise isn't likely to show up exchange shop?

[old tendon]

oh, well, in future patches it will for sure

it's just not available currently in the rotation as it's too new for exhange shop

[verbal flame]

I see

[viral sierra]

https://imgur.com/a/blI1yzP
Working on putting together a number of teams now at this point. Ideally want to put together both a team/teams for each element (some overlap potentially possible) and make sure there's enough independance that they aren't all sharing certain characters (for q-manifold/etc)
Mainly been falling back on ice/physical for the moment, but been holding off somewhat on investing in supports where possible for if they needed to get changed out in the future now that more options openned up
Any advice would be apreciated

[thick bolt]

Sparkle Helia Coralie
That's your all purpose team for literally anything, everything else will just be a damage loss

Q-Manifold stage effects aren't significant enough for you to change the team

Helia is available inside the asterite shop

[viral sierra]

meant memorial, not q-manifold (for the multiple teams)

[thick bolt]

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[thick bolt]

just look here then, quite a few suggestions for beginner teams

[rotund pasture]

My first ever RL

Seems like i‘m not yet made for rl

I do not understand the boss tho. I dodge and attack but nothing happens

[haughty elbow]

dodge 3 times
should have asked sooner

[radiant sky]

Hello guys. Is silverwing nex still playable, or too weak for current meta?

[haughty elbow]

shes been too weak for years

[radiant sky]

Unplayable?

[sterile river]

She’ll be pretty unplayable unless you’re in very low tier

Maybe A2

[haughty elbow]

not to mention anyone who is still wondering about sw prob doesnt have supports

so a2 is still too high if thats the case

[radiant sky]

I’m really into ranged dps. Stopped playing for a while. My main team comp included Elysia with HoS and SA. Now really wanted to come back and make an ice dmg team comp.

[spiral badge]

what kind of player do you see yourself as?

Normally we give meta recommendations to people because HI3 is competition based against other players and doing better in abyss gives you more crystals.

However, being meta is going expect you to maintain the game regularly especially if you're f2p. If you see yourself taking breaks again then you may opt for a more casual approach to the game. Being casual/meta isn't just one or the other either. You can find a personal balance to it (such as accepting being in a lower abyss tier and its lower crystal income as others have mentioned earlier)

The teams you're bringing up are very out of date at this point unfortunately. We can still help you with these focuses in mind but don't expect to compete well with them.

Otherwise if you want to pursue meta, if you're not attached to your account you may want to consider restarting a new one unless your current one has any strong vintage or recent things to be attached to such as asuka valk or gacha exclusive astral ring valks. Restarting is not a requirement though.

[radiant sky]

Well, I have never been a competitive type of player. The strongest valk was already presented Elysia. Not sure if they are worth mentioning but I was able to obtain also Mobius, Azure Empyrea, HoHE, Artemis, HoS, void, Jade Knight, Starchasm Nyx

[slim blaze]

Omg sa mentioned

[radiant sky]

I suppose that most of the acquired stigmata’s aren’t that strong either

In spite of having these silverwing nex stamps, it is not possible to use them to unlock, which is unfortunate:(

[radiant sky]

Not sure if it is worth rerolling at this point, considering items I have got?

So yeah, I am not too competitive, or just willing to set a balance between the amount of effort put to team comp and the strength it offers

Elysia was my first and the last team I was able to build with her signature weapon and stigmata’s:D

[slim blaze]

Heh

No items worth mentioning ngl

[outer spruce]

almost every valk listed is free and farmable in war treasury

[spiral badge]

Most of the valks you listed here are now farmable in war treasury.

• HoHE is the only exception but if you're willing to spend money she is part of the new player paid bundle.
  • Her uses nowadays requires an gacha exclusive divine key weapon that will rerun later in this patch which changes her mechanics to work with newer teams. However I do not recommend pulling for this at this point meta wise. HoHE dps nowadays also heavily desire thelema, and beware the higher meta standards nowadays expect her to be ranked at SS or SS1 with how old she's been. Not recommended to pursue for any new/returning player. S0 might still be ok at lesser tiers ofc.

For your gears

• don't expect to reclaim MPE's bow, key of anonmity, raven's bow

• i don't recognize the cannon next to it. Is it for HoTr? Don't expect to regain that either.

• i don't recognize the katana next to shamash pistols

• nebulous and purana you can expect to reclaim from beginner missions

• HoO T piece, Collodi T, and cezanne M are not currently farmable

but overall none of these are anything to be too attached to unless you have sentimental attachment to anything not farmable

It seems like you have been logging in here and there more recently but it doesn't seem you really have anything from part 2 (astral ring)

does your account have asuka valk? What about any emblems or profile frames you don't want to part with?

if you really do opt to not restart, then it's just going to take more time to get crystals but it's recoverable if you are willing to put in the long term time for it.

but a big hurdle for your account right now is how it is completely devoid of any astral ring stuff (part 2 valks and teams) which has dominated the meta at this point

[jolly pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/imostergolfra-gif-25274972

[shadow gyro]

iirc cez should be in the permanent shop in bp and foundry and collodi should also be in the permanent bp but everything else is on point + the stuff won't go away soon and aren't necessary to have rn

[jolly pulsar]

Sairaan I just wanted to say

I appreciate the work that you do for this community

[outer spruce]

that katana is shadow dash's weapon, nue of shadow

i know that because I kept getting it as an offrate a long time ago

[slim blaze]

Nue

[radiant sky]

This katana is called Jizo Mitama. Also I don’t know which cannon you refer to 😅. Anyway, what valks are considered strong in today’s meta? In terms of emblems, nothing unusual as I suppose?

[outer spruce]

the blue cannon is hotr's weapon

before the pri arm

[radiant sky]

I would not even care for HoHE as I don’t like her (or only as a supporter would be acceptable) - Elysia is much more fun in that way:D

[spiral badge]

HoHE back in the day isn't really a support at all though (unless you just want her leader skill for some memorial arena strategy).

Nowadays with her new gacha exclusive dkey, she can take a support role though. However she is not notable in such a role for a majority of cases meta wise.

For emblems don't expect to regain the 5th anni, or any of the event emblems (the homu and gameboy looking ones). I want to say the kiana and bronya ones may not be obtainable now too?

Meta wise you wouldn't really use any of them anyway though.

People usually put on the abyss emblem for marginal meta performance

[slim blaze]

Collectors value!

[spiral badge]

But all in all i don't really feel attached to anything in your account meta wise. Up to you if there's anything personal to be attached with and it's fine if that's how you feel

[radiant sky]

If I could, I would pick Silverwing Nex, but she is not farmable, sooo

[spiral badge]

she's quite old so maybe she'll become more available soon

anyway if you can expect to maintain the game regularly (see crystal sources in pins), and you want to care about the meta, then consider restarting. No need to lose this current account either though. You can keep the credentials handy for now and go back to it later if you regret starting over

beware starting a new account would involve using a new hoyolab account. You can use the same email to achieve this though. We have a rerolling pin covering this

!faq reroll

[small willow]

About Rerolling

Hey there, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's summary of rerolling [here](#👶beginner-help message)! Also see the Returnee Accounts pin [here](#👶beginner-help message) to see why restarting is recommended and remember, whether you want to reroll is completely your decision!

"Rerolling" refers to the process of restarting accounts until you obtain the target character/equipment within the first 10 supply pulls - not to be confused with "restarting", which is simply starting a new account and sticking with it regardless of luck.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[radiant sky]

What team comp you consider strong nowadays?

[spiral badge]

as for which meta valks to focus on, it's generally going to be the latest releases. So sushang in this case

[shadow gyro]

sw is alr in dorm supply and permanent bp, she's bound to be in wt soon so even if you just want her for personal reasons you can just wait

[radiant sky]

Deeply appreciated guys 🩷

[spiral badge]

HI3 is a kind of game that expands to many different scenarios late in the game. The game is also a team game where your dps is greatly amplified by the supports on the team so everyone matters, For these reason, focusing on only one strong valk is flawed.

oh wait you said team comp i misread lol

[slim blaze]

Astral ring meta

[radiant sky]

I strongly prefer ranger type dps

[spiral badge]

but anyway alot of the early game recommendations here are long term so you would more be aiming for valkyries that are new with prob longer meta longevity than past releases even if recent.

[slim blaze]

Do you like cutscenes? PS time

[spiral badge]

they're not going to know what PS is lol

[spiral badge]

again the game expands to many different scenarios so being strictly meta wouldn't really let you pick anything in particular to constantly focus on

[slim blaze]

Wait. Ranger Type. Well well well...

Its great timing actually

[radiant sky]

That’s why I have built Elysia 🤣

Not too many shards left to max rank

[ancient needle]

@frozen crypt wouldn't "remaking accounts" be less confusing here?

Or maybe even just "making"

[frozen crypt]

Probably

[spiral badge]

if you really want to find a valk with those properties then some rough examples i can think of are

• HoHE with new dkey
• lantern (lone destruction)
• helia (valkyrie boltstorm, the only farmable here)
• songque (jovial deception) is technically ranged but not really ranger like

[frozen crypt]

[radiant sky]

What is her called dkey?

[spiral badge]

flawless benediction

you can try out these valks for free now even if you don't have them via attack > events tab > tactics class actually

but overall i don't recommend getting or focusing heavily on any of those at this point

meta recommendations would be to focus on more recent releases (sushang/peregrine sword in this case)

we do use abbreviations often here btw. You're recommended to learn to refer to the glossary in the pins to do so

[low kestrel]

GUYS!!! 😭

[spiral badge]

you know what i'll usually ask for right?

i can't help you with no information

you need to give me more details

[radiant sky]

Wait, why does she fight with the umbrella… ☂️

[spiral badge]

i'm not the dev so i cannot answer that question. If you're looking for a lore answer then ask #📚honkai-lore (although beware of spoilers there)

questions here are more about guidance and mechanics within the game

[radiant sky]

Ye, it’s just the rhetorical moaning

I do not care that much of a meta

Just want to have fun with splashy arts, do some pif paf

[spiral badge]

then everything i said earlier doesn't actually matter

we can still help you but you're going to need to be more specific on what you want to focus on

[radiant sky]

Why should I care about the meta? To get some crystals?

[spiral badge]

yeah that's what i said here

[radiant sky]

I have done my physical lineup team comp with Elysia, HoS and the third one doing tornadoes 🌪️

[spiral badge]

of course there is a paradox to this. If you don't care for newer gacha exclusive valks, then the higher abyss income you gain from being meta isn't going to make up the cost of getting them in the first place

[radiant sky]

But Ian missing her reference weapon

[spiral badge]

SA is very outdated at this point with her lesser buffs, poorly aged sp farming, and long cooldowns

[radiant sky]

Yeah, this is something even I have experienced

[spiral badge]

but i mean if you still want to stick with her we can talk about that

[radiant sky]

Hard to cast tornadoe

[spiral badge]

i just don't know what you want to focus on right now

[radiant sky]

I think I will stick to this lineup (building physical team comp with Elysia)

Then I tried to build some ice team comp

For fun was able to get

What was that

Ghakushin Miko reference weapon

Yee, really cool icy effects

But dmg is poor

[spiral badge]

if you want to improve the physical team, then you can consider dropping SA for Terminal Aide (Prometheus/TA)

[radiant sky]

I didn’t get stigmata’s and my weapon isn’t fully upgraded but

[spiral badge]

Memento?

Miko is the physical version that zips across enemies multiple times

not ice at all

[radiant sky]

I mean, frozen naraka

[spiral badge]

yeah that's for memento

[radiant sky]

Very cool effects

I assume she is unplayable at this stage of the game 🤣

[spiral badge]

maybe check her out in elysian realm too. There's some modifiers there that changes how she fundamentally behaves (but only in that gamemode)

meta wise yeah she's far too old

[radiant sky]

Yee I saw that

[spiral badge]

but i mean as others have said you can still use her in lesser abyss

[radiant sky]

People were able to clean this realm

With her

[radiant sky]

Elysia for sure, but memento?

I am not able to farm her stigmata’s because of low damage output

[outer spruce]

the lower your rank, the easier it is to use old characters

[radiant sky]

Ye ye I know

[radiant sky]

And this realm for farming resources for buying stigmata’s need ice dmg

Elysia is not enough to beat this realm even at not maximum stage

[spiral badge]

anyway if you want to focus on an hohe dps team you'll mainly look for jade knight and shigure kira as supports. You can maybe use pardofelis too instead of kira since you have her weapon.

[outer spruce]

universal mirage?

[radiant sky]

I don’t like ego

[spiral badge]

please be specific about what stage you're referring to because i almost thought you were still talking about elysian realm

[radiant sky]

Herscher of human ego

[spiral badge]

but also realms can refer to realms of battle too

oh ok then who else should we focus on?

you said you liked ranger stuff earlier

but if we want to focus on memento then the supports will still be the same

[radiant sky]

The problem is that my damage output is not enough on memento to clear universal mirage and farm her stigmata’s

Because ohysical damage will be reduced

And my Elysia won’t be enough for higher tier mirage

Ice

[radiant sky]

I have jadę knight

[spiral badge]

even if you don't, she's farmable from war treasury

but yeah. You can give her nebulous for now. The main important thing about her is to restore her sp so she can ult every cycle

check out her tutorial in tactics class

[radiant sky]

Which nebulous?

[spiral badge]

nebulous duality gloves

the pri arm form is cosmic duality

[radiant sky]

Ohh

So who would be the dps

In here

Because as I said

Memento is doing not enough damage

[spiral badge]

you said you wanted to use memento so it's just going to be her. None of her skills really support the team afaik. Naraka weapon kind of has a support effect that can benefit the team but it's not much.

You might observe the supports doing more damage than the dps unfortunately but memento is just that old.

You can probably try putting on ana B, willows M, and maybe use Scott T (still looking through your other stigs in case there's anything better)

but overall don't expect this to be good. You really don't have much and gear in HI3 is quite important

if you want to work on anything in the foundry to use with older teams, consider crafting Turgenev T and B first since that can support any elemental team

but nowadays this isn't a common recommendation because astral ring is so dominant

[radiant sky]

Well, I’m currently using shigura Kira on memento

It adds some ice dmg

[radiant sky]

What’s astral ring?

[spiral badge]

it's just a new set of mechanics that redefined the meta of hi3 recently

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[radiant sky]

Turgenev requires mats lvl III

[spiral badge]

in super short, team building changes to revolve around these astral ring types which offer different playstyles each. Every ring type has a super mode called astral outburst that you have to charge up to use

[radiant sky]

I am not sure my memento is strong enough to deal with that kind of a threat

[spiral badge]

probably not. maybe you can try your hohe even if you dislike her. Let her borrow MPE's weapon if you don't have anything better. You can move the memento stigs i mentioned earlier to her as well

Your account really doesn't have much to work with honestly

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

so maybe you can check out the second link here for what to use on JK and RC

[radiant sky]

What is MPE?

[outer spruce]

elysia

miss pink elf

[radiant sky]

Ahh yeah

[spiral badge]

!faq glossary

[small willow]

Glossary of Terms

There are so many abbreviations, Captain! What do they mean?

Use CTRL + F or 'Find in Page' to quick search abbreviations in the Glossary of Terms: e.g., ' RC ' (the spaces help!)

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Terms

Still not sure? [Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Visual Guide for using the Glossary (applies to both PC and Mobile).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

i pointed to this earlier

[lyric anvil]

Pink Jesus

[spiral badge]

so for future abbreviations do make use of it

[radiant sky]

Agreed

I like her

[spiral badge]

i have been trying to avoid abbreviations for now since you're new but that time was a lapse i apologize

[radiant sky]

Can you see that goodness?

And this bow.. oh my hod

[outer spruce]

certified bow main in monster hunter

[radiant sky]

I started playing ffxiv

Ok

Need to sleep

Thank you guys, deeply appreciated regarding all help 🩷 🩷

I will make use of you tomorrow bb

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i may not be here tmr but there are plenty of regular helpers around to help if i'm not here too

[naive pivot]

wait how is this even possible when 1 dupe skips you to s2 these days

[ancient needle]

BP stamps leh

[heady relic]

Battlepass

[naive pivot]

oh yeah

[heady relic]

30 frags from Paladin

[ancient needle]

Ah, ye, that too

[naive pivot]

[heady relic]

[naive pivot]

we love beating someone by 50 points even when their team is way better

whales for SS gacha astralOp, still loses

[haughty elbow]

bis team scoring like sdless team

[naive pivot]

my guy's still in 7.3

also nice weapon

[shadow girder]

Returnee fund worth it? Getting like a 3.47 value out of it which seems better than any other pack besides monthly

[wispy prawn]

Who on banner for beginner banner right now?D:

[thick bolt]

Starter banner has Songque and Sena
Not recommended as always

[wispy prawn]

Okay

So i should tell my friend roll kiana badum or new sushang?

[wispy prawn]

I thought sena good

[thick bolt]

Sushang and her weapon

[thick bolt]

There's better stuff to pull for, and none of the recent releases are benefitted by Sena (or benefit Sena, except Badum)

[wispy prawn]

Hmm sushang can carry newbie for long time to midgame?

[thick bolt]

If by midgame you mean till level 80 then any valkyrie can do that
Sushang will last you even in the endgame since she supports future ring characters and herself is a recent release with a particular niche

[wispy prawn]

Okaaa

Hmmm

Sushang and badum who easier to play-

In case have coralie and helia

[thick bolt]

not much difference, it's the same rot most of the time

[slim blaze]

Loa is cutscene impact anyways

[abstract sequoia]

Wouldn't Badum technically be a better pull overall anyway due to having more use cases later down the line? (LoA, WS and New Ring + No type disadvantages)

Or does the rarity of BIO and Bleed alone still outweigh her

[frozen crypt]

If she wasn't bleed it'd be a yes

[ancient needle]

It's unlikely they'll release a new WS valk

[frozen crypt]

Bio is garbage anyway PS didn't really change that

[ancient needle]

||BIO doesn't mean shit considering 8.3||

[frozen crypt]

Xd

[abstract sequoia]

||Then why is sus recommended outside "pull newest for longest value"?||

[ancient needle]

Bleed + hitcounts + ??? support

[abstract sequoia]

Kiana is SD + ??? support and more

[ancient needle]

More what

[abstract sequoia]

.

[ancient needle]

Get rid of WS, it's not applicable to new players

[abstract sequoia]

okay, still more use cases

no type disadvantages means only fire debuff can screw her up

thats kinda why my suggestion would be to aim more towards badum rerun for very new players

[ancient needle]

Yes, but MECH bosses are very uncommon

[abstract sequoia]

eh, really?

[ancient needle]

We had only a couple over the last 2 patches

[abstract sequoia]

[ancient needle]

Also it's likely that PS will be the BiS support for ??? (at least at first) considering what happened with Sparkle

And how they are still spamming QUA stuff

[hearty cliff]

are astral elf important

[abstract sequoia]

oh yeah that might be true

but its based on pattern theory

i would put it more on ||Both being BIO||

[ancient needle]

AstralOps or ELFs?
Gacha AstralOps matter only in Nirvana and are not worth pulling before you can stay there for a notable length of time
ELFs can be a sidegrade to Dreamseeker at certain stars, but the sidegrade is pretty minor as well

[abstract sequoia]

To back that up, I got to Nirvana with only Dreamseeker

its more painful but doable, retaining is another question

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well i'm sure you've seen for yourself from this talk but a strict better worth is highly arguable if you want to get very nitty gritty with the details.

I personally would say the bleed niche from sushang is more of a highlight because bleed doesn't get released as often and the niches there can more hardwall a fight.

The lack of type disadvantage is appealing on paper but

• neutral advantage is still a relative disadvantage if everyone else is using better options. This kind of goes back to PE's release back in the day. On the other hand we have seen it appealing with sena's bruteforcability.
• I'm not really concerned about just typings because we do expect players to pick up more gacha valks for more typing coverage. You really only need two to get neutral or advantageous coverage. Part 2's greater flexibility in team building further enable this.

[abstract sequoia]

about the bleed thing, i'm just not sure if they still release more SD valks from now on as much after having 3 of them

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we can talk deeply within the niches and get lost in them though. On a more macro scale/different perspective, we may possibly expect sushang to have longer longevity simply due to being a more recent release but kiana isn't too far off and there's been plenty of exceptions in history of valks staying for less or more than their expected meta life.

Otherwise we can talk about relevancy but a new player is going to take more than a month to reach exalted for the shill to be relevant, nor would they have the roster. Maybe qmani will have slight shilling idk. Both valks will at least be relevant to the next future ring type but we don't know any details of that yet.

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well the three have been one for every ring type and we've seen ways they overlap or not already. Ultimately it can still go either way

i don't think we can really reach a hard answer of all this overall.

But sushang will be easier to reroll on with the discount. Both will be awkward for early game.

I think the real deciding factor will be what their locked skill be when we get info about it later
(mainly whoever has breach probably)

[abstract sequoia]

i can confirm that q-manifold (at least in EU) has no direct shilling

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ok good to know

[abstract sequoia]

unless you chase the leaderboards there

but it usually boils down to who has the most built team

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i kinda jumped into this with no context and thought you guys were talking either for a fresh player or for a newer player who wouldn't have much to begin with

[ancient needle]

I don't think it makes sense for anyone to have Breach out of the current options

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but if there's existing context then that would be evaluated at a more individual level

yeah i don't either for now

[ancient needle]

Unless you count Vita ig, but it's pretty obvious she'll be a copium option

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yeah lol

anyway we might get more info soon that can push one more than the other

[abstract sequoia]

i started this initially by replying to a simple new player suggestion of pulling sushang and weapon first

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but i listed some minor reasons why i would lean towards sushang personally. Otherwise esp if the person themselves are inclined more for it (there's been one person here recently) i'm not strongly opposed to going after fws instead

[abstract sequoia]

i'm fine with either too, i just personally see more general benefits in badum

and more ways to flex her into teams

[spiral badge]

my apologies if i had anything off base then. I can go back read some more. Tbh i shouldn't encourage any speculations but i figured there was something more fundamental or perspective to give with this talk

[abstract sequoia]

all good, i got your points pretty well

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while SD has been more common, to add to your point, we often see them having different utilities that makes strong scores involving multiple of them in one team

meanwhile by contrast quantum p2 valks generally can get by with just one

because their own individual gimmicks aren't too meaningful and their main purpose is simply to collapse early

[abstract sequoia]

in which case sparkle is a can-do-all

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or you can just go with none since the collapse significance only really matters greatly for the older qua bosses lol

but yeah

[abstract sequoia]

maybe, but newer ones still have a significant score diff without quantum

to be fair, it's a niche that usually doesnt pop up often

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and really even if people skip sushang and get wall hard on the bleed niche, that's only going to be a one or two weathers once in a blue moon probably. Hitcount is nice but we've seen other valks handle that too decently enough

at the end of the day the main important thing is to get the valk and the weapon together. And to get enough more recent p2 valks down the line

[abstract sequoia]

yeah

I mean JDS was a terrible first pull in retrospective, i had hard times making a team around her

but on her release patch I still had time to keep pulling

my account wasn't fully established yet

in the end she turned out to be one of my best pulls

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it's kinda scary to think a valk's value may suddenly lopside as we change seasons of the ring types lol

[abstract sequoia]

in songque's case, i'd be fine with it if it happens. she had 9 months of relevance

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but breach has been a pretty solid indicator of some solid relevancy so far, although i wouldn't call it a hard requirement by any means.

and ofc any historical trend can still be flimsy and not match up to future outcomes

[abstract sequoia]

which is why I don't like assuming stuff on patterns, they turned out to be wrong many times (Quantum bad, etc.)

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is quantum not bad now?

[abstract sequoia]

sparkle isn't

[sweet flax]

Quantum is still a terrible niche, thankfully valks can still be relevant in other areas

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i think the only exception i've seen to quantum has been susannah

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hm i'm going to disagree there

i still stand by sparkle not being a greatly valued pull

[abstract sequoia]

how so

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she's solid but any valk will be solid and can retain RL if used right

[sweet flax]

^ outside loa where is she really shown good value

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idk about her loa value either

[abstract sequoia]

her LoA value is what proofed most people wrong about her worth

[sweet flax]

Still the best part about her

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if you had durandal and needed sparkle's ult cdr for it then sure i can agree but sparkle's LoA scores haven't been that far off from other alternatives and i don't really feel it's often been the best either

[sweet flax]

But it didnt prove them wrong

Back then it was:
Terrible niche (quantum)
Bad world star support if other options were available
And the possibility of being a contender for the new ring

[abstract sequoia]

meanwhile I see her taking vita's place where she isnt BiS

[sweet flax]

So if anything it just agrees with them

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my initial issue with sparkle has been

• she has p1 utility so there will be p1 shill. Newer players will not mileage from this.
• qua is niche and newer qua fights has shown to not need the qua utility either

[abstract sequoia]

especially in badum's case

the ult cdr feels amazing on her

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really? The few times i've seen sparkle's ult being used early on in LoA, it's on herself (homu performer. some other scenario i'm not recalling)

[abstract sequoia]

it enables more diverse rotations

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i'm not going to care about that if the scores are still not impressive

[abstract sequoia]

thats usually the end result

even if it's just one forced qte

[hearty cliff]

how do I manage crystals as a fellow f2p player

[spiral badge]

on paper sparkle definitely is potent. I'm not denying any of that but it really hasn't achieved strong results by comparison outside of her own highly shilled niches.

[abstract sequoia]

You mean how to gather them or how to save up?

[hearty cliff]

how to spend them

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!faq pull

[small willow]

Pulling Priority

Yo, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the pulling priority for this patch!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[abstract sequoia]

you generally want to save up until you can guarantee a valkyrie's weapon. from that point onwards you can try your best on pulling the valk with any crystals that are above that hard pity gear value

[spiral badge]

you can consider this or the upcoming kiana rerun.

If you're very new it's likely you can clear content to get enough pulls to get both and weapon before they go away

but if you're unsure it's better to save until you're more certain you can guarantee both valkyrie and weapon

no need to pull for dupes in this game

[abstract sequoia]

gear hard pity is 16800 crystals

[sweet flax]

Both ps and fws?

[abstract sequoia]

lets say diverse opinions where both have their ups and downsides

[thick bolt]

Well you have to consider that WS is effectively not a consideration with how rare it's being brought up.

Secondly if we're talking coverage || you get phys covered and then ele with the next valk even if you're not counting the recent bleed niche ||

So looking at it in a vacuum, similar supporting roles between badum and ps but coverage and recency favours ps to an extent

[hearty cliff]

I pulled sushang

I'm broke now

[sweet flax]

Do you have her weapon?

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!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

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refer to this to see where you can get more crystals

[abstract sequoia]

you should've asked before pulling, but should be alright if you're new

[spiral badge]

make sure to not miss her weapon

[hearty cliff]

I can only get crystals from Ely ,dailies and superstring

[spiral badge]

after getting weapon you can start saving for another new release in the future

please review the faq i linked. there's other sources than that

[hearty cliff]

I'm not really new

[abstract sequoia]

yeah right, the spoilered part is a big reason why sushang could be preferred

i didn't think of dmg types tbh

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i don't really think phys has any jarring advantage to consider more over fire or vice versa

[sweet flax]

have to consider every relevant possibility when comparing valks

[abstract sequoia]

then you know now

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but what's more important is you get enough to handle multiple scenarios esp when one is disadvantaged by the weather

[abstract sequoia]

thats true either way

[sweet flax]

But generally speaking, either or is fine, we don't even know who's a better unit for supporting new ring which would be the main value to consider

[thick bolt]

True

[abstract sequoia]

i just dont have the buffs to debuffs in my head for abyss weathers

[sweet flax]

When does fws rerun?

[abstract sequoia]

tomorrow

[sweet flax]

[hearty cliff]

I think I'm cooked ngl

[abstract sequoia]

so that debate is important to do now before she comes back and people ask

[hearty cliff]

old valks don't work anymore

[sweet flax]

The debate is unnecessary because if it turns out one is worse than the other by a large margin in future content that can be an issue for less established accounts

[abstract sequoia]

i mean if we dont debate at all and sushang turns out to be worse it certainly was needed

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again i don't think either are significant with the current information

[sweet flax]

The only debate to be made is one is heavily shilled right now with amazing niche coverage, the other has good coverage across the board

Literally the same value on paper, the only variable is future reliability

[abstract sequoia]

yeah

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if sushang turns out worse then we were simply lacking info at this current time

but also how much worse? If by slightly then it's not a big deal. Let me add to this with my following post

https://i.imgur.com/09h3BKY.png
https://i.imgur.com/ldZF6rV.png
https://i.imgur.com/lJF2k1V.png
https://i.imgur.com/Rn9xq3T.png

I don't really want to talk about how sparkle apparently is worse in most of these scenarios, (esp without JDS fish skip that would widen some of these gaps in making JDS ahead/better). That doesn't actually matter for RL retain.

The bigger point is that sparkle scores are not that far off. They're very close and all of these can retain ex RL.

So what's the issue? Part of sparkle's shill will have p1 weathers like FoV and Sirin shill that you won't make full value of if you get her. That's the main thing I'm against.

[thick bolt]

It's a wait for more news™️ situation
Sadly banner duration says no u

[sweet flax]

Don't we get cn open beta before banners end? It would just be missing shill

[abstract sequoia]

i guess

but cn beta is unstable for stats

[sweet flax]

But it can serve as good reference on buffs/applicability

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But anyway point i want to make is sparkle isn't a big deal. She's nice on paper but the results says otherwise. She's still very solid when used right though so i'm not completely opposed if people already have her or have to get her.

There's some niches where she stands out but a newer player won't benefit from all those niches.

[abstract sequoia]

yeah i'll be fair with you, i have 0 ignite valks despite having all the supports

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anyway i'm repeating myself at this point. If you're still not convinced that's fine. Please do keep your own opinion but make sure to give it in full if there ever comes a time you have to give it as a recommendation

sparkle can actually ignite even in p2 but it's not very useful so far

[abstract sequoia]

i guess as a cope maybe, but never enough on actual ignite weathers

[hearty cliff]

Yay

[sweet flax]

I don't even think there was consistency with ignite tbw, sure around tfm release fov and sirin weather were rerun, but other than the usual herrscher of rimestar in ma what use does she bring to p1

[abstract sequoia]

flamescion?

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not really? The only meta relevant p1 fire teams sparkle is concerned with are sirin and fov no?

[abstract sequoia]

but i have 0 clue about past fire valk strengths

[spiral badge]

what was the flamescion case when lantern already exists?

[sweet flax]

Isn't lantern a direct replacement to flamescion?

[abstract sequoia]

probably

actually, yes

[sweet flax]

Flamescion was an sp slave for ss ma for a while now as her best use case

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double ulting with flamescion from sparkle support is nice but it's only really been a novelty and not enough of a boost

[abstract sequoia]

it was fun to mess around with on ignite side stages, but thats all the use i got

maybe some niche MA boss I can try it with, but p2 bruteforce will probably outscore

or trio which i have anyway

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i think at that point this is more about your individual circumstances rather than general considerations for the newer player base at large

[sweet flax]

Well anyways I think we're getting side tracked here

Regarding the fws vs ps situation

I think its best to inform beginners that their immediate value are relatively competitive but there's still the possibility of that changing with more info on next patch

Imo niches can be a very stressful weathers to deal with and that's why I have bias towards sushang atm but it should be taken as an opinion rather than fact

[abstract sequoia]

i'm just stating my experiences

[sweet flax]

I'm open to hearing your suggestions though

[abstract sequoia]

as a part 2 generation player

who spent too much into hotr

[sweet flax]

But not every p2 player had the same experience

[abstract sequoia]

ofc not

[sweet flax]

Which is why, no offense, personal experience means nothing when its highly subjective to their situation and circumstances

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this reminds me of when i used VG to collapse SS tona back in the day

[sweet flax]

If this is what we use to determine relevancy for newer players it can cause issues down the road

[spiral badge]

not something anyone would do but it was best for my scenario at the time

[abstract sequoia]

VG isn't bad for that at all

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she quite is tbh lol

[abstract sequoia]

the collapse part, the rest...

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any qua valk has that though lol

[sweet flax]

Quantum has always been a shit niche tbf

[spiral badge]

anyway it wouldn't really be relevant to most players

but i did brought it up one time on this server. I forgot exactly how but i didnt' really mean it for a general recommendation. I think someone was just asking for VG use and i brought it up as a possibility?

anyway there was a bit of a backlash response and i don't blame it but it's pretty awkward when that sort of niche consideration arises

i don't really mind bringing these sort of things up as a consideration but definitely be realistic and note how niche/unrelatable/uncommon they may be

[abstract sequoia]

i still don't think it's a bad thought, i mean you get VG pretty early I believe

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at this day and age if you're going to throw a qua dps into your team for collapse utility please just get SN from WT

but otherwise a greater consideration may be to just use FR who can provide elemental support

[sweet flax]

Honestly vg might be the calm before the storm, I already feel like some people will try coping with vv in the future

[abstract sequoia]

i think i went for FR later on, her collapse is just painfully slow with no signature wep

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or with how qua is, forget about giving up a precious team slot for a faster collapse that won't support your team well and just learn to handle the fight with just enemy collapses

i don't know if signature weapon is related. It's more about her ranks for sp regen? idr

signature weapon just makes it very easy for her to reach her main effects

[abstract sequoia]

sig wep is the thing that makes her spirit slam faster

[spiral badge]

what?

[abstract sequoia]

iirc

[spiral badge]

ok hang on signature does a ton of things

it puts her into valfreyja state instantly when normally you need to build the meter and spend it

it gives her full meter for her to set up her field

it gives her all her runes at once

it quickens her ult which is what you're thinking of

[abstract sequoia]

yeah the last part

but only pri-arm

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but that's prob the least important detail

yes this is pri arm

[sweet flax]

Also pauses the timer

[abstract sequoia]

yep

its a big time boost, mostly back then

[spiral badge]

the faster ult means the collapse happens sooner

the bigger time boost is not needing to set up as much with her lol

well anyway i shouldn't be getting caught up which is a bigger deal. It's more about the complete package

but the point is, there's way more benefits than just that

[abstract sequoia]

my point is just FR being not that great of an option without sig outside applying paralyze

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yeah we don't recommend her anymore. Even back when her weapon was free the pri arm cost made it questionable

[sweet flax]

I mean it was better than most options available back then

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and at this point even as a possible support with qua utility, and even if you understand how to use her well without her weapon in a qua scenario she prob isn't worth it over an actual proper p2 support

[sweet flax]

I think it was recommended to only pri and leave it at 50 if you had enough resources to pri and weren't in immediate need of it

But that was so long ago idr

[abstract sequoia]

is that the case with nebs too?

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pri arming is a desperation point esp when torus was less available back then

and i encountered zero cases where such a point came up

[sweet flax]

Well nebs doesn't get any major benefit from continuing to level it past pri outside atk

Since sp regen rate is fixed post pri