🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[atomic coral]

especially not for reruns

[charred prawn]

im an old player so im kinda unfamiliar with astral stuff

[nova osprey]

And yea this too

[charred prawn]

i quitted after part 2

and im trying to learn some stuff

[slender dock]

and you still got alot of p2 valks

what

[charred prawn]

ah i logged in got hle and quit again but this time i return fully

got a little lucky as well

[slender dock]

but that doesnt justify kiana and vita and even Hofi dlc

[charred prawn]

idk how to explain XD

[shrewd socket]

carnival?

[charred prawn]

i was just be able to get them

[charred prawn]

yeah

[slender dock]

anyways what team does SW support

[charred prawn]

do i skip luna dlc also?

i have luna

[shrewd socket]

WS and LoA

[shrewd socket]

if you can afford it after XDC + her weapon

[charred prawn]

well i think its quite hard but i will try. havent got the xdc yet and also her equipment

should i gamble and topup a little and do 10x lol

[slender dock]

i rlly need to know what i should do atm lol
do i just like, skip everything until SW rerun

[shrewd socket]

oh SW herself isn't getting a rerun

[slender dock]

no

[shrewd socket]

she's too old to get any banners

[slender dock]

the dlc i mean

sorry thats bad wording from me

[charred prawn]

sw dlc next patch?

[shrewd socket]

how are your savings rn?

[shrewd socket]

check pins

[charred prawn]

well ive got 0 rn but i have a lot of content to clear

[shrewd socket]

might ask in #👶beginner-help

[slender dock]

me or keanu

[shrewd socket]

both honestly

but remember to spoiler anything regarding 8.8 stuff

[slender dock]

but like we arent allowed to talk about the sw thingie there?

oh alright
just watch how people will push me here again lol

[atomic coral]

you can spoiler tag it

[shrewd socket]

^

[charred prawn]

i dont have HORB dlc so getting sw dlc is waste?

[shrewd socket]

no

[slender dock]

no

[charred prawn]

looks like sw needs horb in the team no?

[slender dock]

no

[atomic coral]

no

[charred prawn]

oh...

[shrewd socket]

not necessarily

[atomic coral]

teams are very versatile here, just because you don't have bis doesn't mean the whole team falls apart

[charred prawn]

i see. i dont know how do i decide which chars i should put when i make a team

do they have to share same astral stuff?

for example vita is RoO

[shrewd socket]

just keep pulling new

[atomic coral]

they don't need the same astral ring type, the supports just need the tag that supports the leader

[charred prawn]

for example for vita dps, what does she need

[nova osprey]

Iirc sairaan has an indepth explainantion of this topic somewhere

[atomic coral]

RoO is different

[charred prawn]

its so complicated i miss part 1 so much lmao

all i know is that hofi is playable with vita

my friend told me

[shrewd socket]

the other way around

[atomic coral]

vita specifically needs all RoO

[shrewd socket]

HoFi still needs trio

[charred prawn]

i have the trio

origin and truth

[atomic coral]

you have a hofi team then

[charred prawn]

so i basically play old trio as always?

[atomic coral]

yeah

[charred prawn]

oh why did my friend told me shes playable with vita

is he silly?

[atomic coral]

she can support vita

[shrewd socket]

well she is "playable"

playable as in just doing WA and off

[nova osprey]

Enter field once and never again

[atomic coral]

hofi outside of trio is mostly just a support

she needs trio to dps

[charred prawn]

aight so i have trio team playable basically and then also HLE, New mei and uhh i forgot who else

HLE, XDC, Vita?

[shrewd socket]

HLE XDC FWS

[nova osprey]

Cant do that, bita doesnt have the tag to support hle

[shrewd socket]

Vita can't support GoI

[nova osprey]

Well, she can, just omega cope

[shrewd socket]

so she can't

coppin bad

[nova osprey]

[charred prawn]

oh yeah i forgot. i dont have FWS weapon sadly. when is the rerun im planning to get her weapon at rerun cuz only 1 day left for her to disappear

[desert lily]

She's fine without her weapon as support

[nova osprey]

U shouldnt do that, just keep her wpless

[slender dock]

yep my acc is hopeless
anhai just gave up on me i think

[charred prawn]

can i give her old hofi gears?

[desert lily]

[nova osprey]

Much better to spend the pulls on a new release

[charred prawn]

wait she doesnt need weapon? i thought part 2 chars must have their weapon

[atomic coral]

to dps

certain characters can't support very well without weapon but fws isn't one of them

[charred prawn]

oh i see. is she a good dps or better as a support?

[nova osprey]

That was the case even in p1, but with how this game works, its more cost effective to get a new release rather than pulling gear for an old valk

[nova osprey]

Shes great as both

[charred prawn]

but i still need her stigmatas right? which i can craft easily anyway

[charred prawn]

can i just slap old pri arm of hofi?

[atomic coral]

most of her support buffs are in her stigs yeah

[nova osprey]

Works, if u arent using her as dps anyways

[charred prawn]

im so happy rn lol

i dont think i need her as a dps anyway cuz my astral units are fine already and got hofi as a fire dps anyway

another fire dps would be eh...

[nova osprey]

Gonna get cooked by them sd fire bosses

Or them sd mob stages

[charred prawn]

HLE can save me lmao?

[nova osprey]

Ice cant deal with fire weathers, -50% dmg

[charred prawn]

dang it

[nova osprey]

That being said u stiill shouldnt pull fws wp

[charred prawn]

maybe i should get it eh.. oh btw if i wanna make a team with vita, what do i put

[charred prawn]

cuz of mei right?

[nova osprey]

Hofi vbm works

[charred prawn]

why is this unit in every team man

should i get her?

[nova osprey]

Unless u can get her for free then nope

Just wait new releases

[charred prawn]

ah man i hope she gets replaced soon

[nova osprey]

She wont

[atomic coral]

remember, just because you don't have a bis support doesn't mean the team falls apart

[nova osprey]

[atomic coral]

the difference in scores between supports isn't that major

[charred prawn]

btw in trio team, when do i activate astral?

[shrewd socket]

once you have all buffs and can trigger ATF on HoFi

[charred prawn]

origin ult, qte, astral, skill, combo, ult

which part 1 chars are strong without astral? such as uhh fire fu hua

[atomic coral]

i got some bad news

[charred prawn]

man.... dont....

[nova osprey]

They dont exist

[charred prawn]

i think their biggest mistake was bricking the whole part 1 at once

[nova osprey]

[nova osprey]

No they didnt, p1 is just 2 years old by now, and 2 years old thing are bricked by default

[charred prawn]

like they should have made them less strong ofc but unusable is just stupid that made so many loyal players quit i think such as me

[atomic coral]

it wasn't all at once though, it was gradual over the span of 2 years

[charred prawn]

yeah but

okay i accept

[nova osprey]

The same thing would have happend even if they didnt do p2

Them 2 yo valks get bricked

[atomic coral]

even if p2 didn't exist, they would have been old anyway

[charred prawn]

life is not daijobu

looks like truth and origin are the only part 1 stuff thats useful but its thanks to dlc anyway

HoRb is also bricked without dlc right?

my dear seele... used to be the most strongest but now...

[atomic coral]

horb without dlc is a p1 phys support with no one to support

[charred prawn]

im gonna cry

since i missed it, i should just leave it like so right? no point to get it at rerun

[nova osprey]

U should get it eventually from somewhere because of the +10 atk

[atomic coral]

normally you'd skip but if you feel that strongly for horb, you can pick it up as long as you're okay with potentially skipping the next valk

[charred prawn]

ah man lets find out... cant decide yet it seems like getting whats the new is the best overall

[atomic coral]

you still want to enjoy the game the way you want after all

[charred prawn]

2 support 1 dps times are over so... everyone is dps

[atomic coral]

it's still 2 support 1 dps

the leader is the dps

if you're not the leader, you're the support

[charred prawn]

XDC can become a support as well bcs of that right?

[atomic coral]

yeah

[limpid glacier]

They would have been power crept eventually anyway

[nova osprey]

Do note that, even if u get the dkey for horb, u will strugle competing in her weathers because its too low rank, most of the active competing players would probably have her at least at ss

[charred prawn]

to dps, she needs ranks you say hmm. shes not free so you have to gacha more to make her useful

[shrewd socket]

S0 is fine

[atomic coral]

she's old so she won't get banners anymore

you can get ranks for her from pure witch orb shop

[shrewd socket]

HoRb is technically free now

• her stamps are witch corridor

[charred prawn]

i am underestimating how old they are so i cant accept the fact that they are older than i think

[nova osprey]

Her ranks were "free" in a spend event once, from there get s2, then get ss from pwo shop so

[charred prawn]

since i quitted for a long time, they stayed always strong in my mind despite all the passing time

[nova osprey]

[charred prawn]

yeah...

okay at least im aware of the situation rn

i have to move on

and play along, get the new stuff and enjoy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1108435065626689616/1473846422909751509/plfips61s8jg1.gif

it was hard but understandable

that means everyone in this shop are quite outdated as well so i better off get those wafer stabilizers?

[limpid glacier]

Non dk valks=600 er crystals

[umbral spoke]

affix malding isn't that worth it outside nirvana

[limpid glacier]

Dk valks you can get their frags hohe, and SW for next patch if u gonna get her dk

[nova osprey]

U should still get them for the er xtals

[limpid glacier]

You can also buy some SSS rank valks for witch orbs conversions

Can rank up some chars

[atomic coral]

i see dk, my mind instantly says donkey kong

[nova osprey]

[charred prawn]

locked ones you mean right? aphonia and helical

[limpid glacier]

Yes

[charred prawn]

i see

2 options then, getting sss dupes for witch corridor and divine key units

not gonna invest on ER units. too much for 600 xtal

[limpid glacier]

Reserved 600 crystals

[umbral spoke]

crystals are crystals

[charred prawn]

lol

[limpid glacier]

We love crystals

Seeing adventure task crystals makes me happy

[winter dirge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/999947138467377264/1240649995984572416/AiChungus2.png?ex=69776559&is=697613d9&hm=c4e55e45b3c1844c557da867d789c13041ad0f1e02d270b6797ad17d44b72242&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=354&height=270

[limpid glacier]

If it wasn't for that disclaimer I'd not even realized I'd have a crystal task

Ai chan please don't take our crystals

[umbral spoke]

that and dorm tasks

[limpid glacier]

We worked very hard for them

[limpid glacier]

When you see double of them

[restive thunder]

I got that today

seelehehe

[charred prawn]

SS Origin is worth to get for trio team?

shes s2 rn

[limpid glacier]

Proof crystals increase happiness and they should send us all 1MILL

[naive briar]

3 mill per pull

[umbral spoke]

trio is kinda dead to be honest

[charred prawn]

DONT SAY THAT

[umbral spoke]

except if you don't have ME

or RS

[charred prawn]

what is ME and RS

[umbral spoke]

Miss Espionage (Rita) and Reign Solaris (Durandal)

[charred prawn]

i dont have them

[umbral spoke]

both part 2 IMG valks

well okay

then trio cope

[charred prawn]

ima commit sudoku

[umbral spoke]

it's been years to be fair

one more note though, HoO lead is actually still used in MA

with HoFi on dk and GD

[nova osprey]

Or hofs, or dp, of sci, or lv

[umbral spoke]

less but sure

[nova osprey]

Actually idk if any ma runs used hoo hofi lv

[umbral spoke]

probably not

[nova osprey]

Hofs is for hodom, dp is for like, bull and fgo, sci idk if she had any bis situations but i think some variations for flower used her

[umbral spoke]

oh yeah dp is a thing

[charred prawn]

badum kiana released when?

[umbral spoke]

1 year ago

february 20th 2025

oh yeah btw this is the cn gameplay discussion channel, maybe we should move to one of the help channels

[charred prawn]

sure

[umbral spoke]

unless you want to talk about silverwing dk and youyun

[copper shale]

indeed used her last cycle

[rain isle]

[vale granite]

I've heard that HLE's rerun has 10 free pulls, how true is that

[limpid glacier]

10 free pulls? Ant someone mixing it with carnival

[ember locust]

????

If that is ever true lmao then we dip in

But ain't someone confusing with Carnivals ?

[vale granite]

Defo not confusing with Carnival

[ember locust]

That would be weird if we have free 10 pulls for Ely

[muted mauve]

oh

[steep axle]

what am i seeing

[gleaming imp]

Omg sparkle outside of main dps use

[steep axle]

why is rita there
is that HoDom

[gleaming imp]

Because dudu and rita besties

[muted mauve]

ye

[steep axle]

ok so its probably kevin

oh wait its dom

[muted mauve]

wait no Kevin

[steep axle]

sparkle isnt used for dom

[steep axle]

sparklel is like only used for 900 kevin run

[muted mauve]

I misremembered because HoDom was in Hunt event

[steep axle]

does rita give breach there

or is it just bruteforce

[muted mauve]

I don't know

[smoky lintel]

It's for the execute

Dudu doesn't even really need any breach anyway

She never ran a breach support

Sparkle for fast ult and Rita for the img execute shit

[abstract night]

Vita was her worst support on release right?

[vale granite]

Yup

[abstract night]

Now its probably uh

[vale granite]

Vita also had to CA in LoA too

[abstract night]

LV

[abstract night]

Oh yeah ew

[abstract night]

Could see HoH

But HoH has tank

[gleaming imp]

Vita in loa good

[steep axle]

vita in loa good

[smoky lintel]

Well yeah but she really had it coming, she still needed to CA, she was lightning and most of dudu weathers were phys, her leader CD reset was one of the longest and her stellar shift takes 4 years

[abstract night]

Whod be the worst now? Thats not RoO...sorry hofi and coralie¹

[steep axle]

lantern

[smoky lintel]

Tbh I could still see vita being up there just because she's slow, maybe paws/LV I don't really know the buffs numbers but paws isn't really that slow so dunno

[abstract night]

I think itd be lv cuz shes more bleed and lightning support focused

And her hc isnt utilized

[rain isle]

Seewe

[steady granite]

bean-sized

[willow perch]

[rain isle]

Haven't had red beans in a long time, ngl

@steady granite @willow perch

I hope you both are doing well!

[steady granite]

dead, but just slightly

had a cold for almost 2 weeks now

right as temps are going up

[willow perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446011203244916747/1403392880206287049/Kianya.gif

[rain isle]

[rain isle]

D: I hope you get well soon my adorable friend!

[steady granite]

thanks

[unkempt forge]

guys, would it be worth getting the Bronya Battle suit that getting the new dkey on the box they agve us?

[vale granite]

Yes

You wanna farm up at least S2 on her too

From War Treasury

[glass nacelle]

Wtf rpc in 2026

ancient boss

[shrewd socket]

what 0s that

[ember locust]

RC SS wha

[vale granite]

It's made of toilet paper I assume

[small wing]

they buff up Bronya yet?

I mean i'm still gonna get her dkey regardless but it'd be nice to know if she's still kinda a bum or not

[desert lily]

[unkempt forge]

so i should also buy her there?

[bitter urchin]

Is silverwing ss enough? I feel like sss silverwing isn’t worth my resources since is costs more frags so is it necessary to get sss or ss enough for red

[edgy drift]

wth

I don't think this thing appeared since EX MA has been a thing

the latest vid I can find with it is june 2019

and it was already a 3s kill

prolly 2s strat but lacking dmg

[restive thunder]

just 0s as soon as it appears

[abstract night]

I havent seen that boss before

Like in MA

[abstract night]

@fervent hinge do u remember this boss?

[desert lily]

Has RPC ever appeared in MA?

[abstract night]

I mean
It probably has

Cuz there wasnt
"NEW SS MA BOSS RPC"

[desert lily]

[desert lily]

With Arustats timeline
I don't see RPC at all in MA till now

Abyss is a different question

[edgy drift]

read my above message

[desert lily]

Ah

[edgy drift]

it was still only masters MA the last time it appeared

so it do be a first in exalted

[desert lily]

I feel bad for RPC now lol

It's gonna die instantly

[edgy drift]

exalted started in october 2019 (PC client in december 2019 for timeframe reference)

[desert lily]

[edgy drift]

well since it's never been in EX MA, they could technically have jacked up its health like crazy for current times since it doesn't have an amount that has already been fixed

[desert lily]

True

Well that cycle I'm gonna have to use HLE on pig

[slender dock]

I still dont get why SW is WS

She gave of that WoD vibe ever since her release

Her ER gameplay is also WoD-like

Her having WS might be less restrictive on team comps (more variety) but like why isnt she WoD

[gleaming imp]

WS so she can have kiana mei for a trio and also have horb since bronseele besties most likely

[slender dock]

But like… her gameplay seem to fit WoD more
Or thats just me

SW seem to be more field dominant rather than flexible rotation

[edgy drift]

well WS is the opposite of flexible rotation if you go that way

[nova osprey]

Shes ws because mhy said she is

[edgy drift]

tho tbh SW had generally pretty short field time and could do some stuff with rots

I can even argue the opposite way that the time limit on her barrier makes her completely unable to sustain a WoD playstyle

[slender dock]

Oh alr

[edgy drift]

(but as everything they can just change stuff to fit whatever they wanna push in the moment so nothing of what they did before really matters)

[nova osprey]

They shoulda made horb be able to support loa

Support form qte good

[desert lily]

At least they gave SW HS so we have a new trio

[edgy drift]

like HoH the ult based (or quick swap in downtime) dps became WoD
HRB that had her best rots being qte spam became WS
and Luna also being quick swap/qte spam while not caring much about her ult became GOI

[desert lily]

Despite Mei not being lightning now

We can't fully predict what Stellar key Valks AR they get

[nova osprey]

Surely they dont have much p1 left to give dkey to, just fov and done, surely p2 dkey soon

[abstract night]

HoFi was quick swappy and became RoO (really LoA before LoA for trio specifically)

[somber egret]

HoV

[nova osprey]

[edgy drift]

trio just stayed as trio

so whatever

[slender dock]

Hmm which of the valks work for both WS and LoA?

[edgy drift]

SW, FWS and Vita iirc ?

[slender dock]

So if I have them i can just switch between WS and LoA whichever that i like more?

[edgy drift]

depends on who you put as leader yeah

SW lead will make it a WS team with the other 2 supporting
FWS lead makes it LoA team with the other 2 supporting
Vita lead doesn't work there she wants RoO supports

[slender dock]

Its XDC, Sparkle and FWS

Support of both

And upcoming SW

Vita too
Vita support everything

[rancid plank]

Not grail

[slender dock]

Oh yeah cuz GoI was after her release

[rancid plank]

Tbf so was LoA

[slender dock]

Right..?

[rancid plank]

It went Vita then sparkle then first LoA, Dudu

And then 2 more LoA before grail

[slender dock]

But she had LoA support tag beforehand

They didnt plan GoI sp tag for her cuz it was really far before GoI

[rancid plank]

Yes

[rancid plank]

Or they just didn’t want her to have it

RS got symbiosis and she was only 2 patches later

[slender dock]

Would SW serve a new tag? Since she had that hidden something

[rancid plank]

SW hidden is a character or battlesuit passive

Not a ring tag

[slender dock]

Yeah cuz then she would be too op

[slender dock]

Wdym

[rancid plank]

If she had a new ring we would known

She doesn’t

Instead her hidden skill is for something else

[slender dock]

But how would you know though

[rancid plank]

It would be in her astral ring skills and she would have a locked icon next to heavenly shift

Same way it always works

[slender dock]

So like probably a synergy with a future valk?

[rancid plank]

Yeah probably

[slender dock]

Would it possibly be p2 seele?

[dense harness]

Hoping for future seele so we get a seele and bronya duo

[rancid plank]

Actually I think that was the deal with Mei, I don’t remember if SW had one

For horb

OH right no she does have a locked skill

Okay yeah Mei and Silverwing both have a locked partner skill

Maybe for the same valk maybe for different ones

probably Seele

For Bronya

But no guarentees

[desert lily]

Mei's could be anyone

[slender dock]

Bronya and double seele

Veliona resurrection?

[desert lily]

Who knows

[slender dock]

bronya hitting the motherlode if that happen

But what if another kiana

They might..

[desert lily]

Carv speculates another for 10th anniversary

[slender dock]

But isnt that like next year

[desert lily]

That's ours

CN anniversary is later this year

But who knows tbh

[slender dock]

Cuz its faster than us duh
Still thats like 5-6 months

[desert lily]

I doubt they make another Kiana since Badum

[slender dock]

Oh wait but given the patches are way too long now

That might happen

[slender dock]

Who knows
We lacking newyear bronya

But kiana battlesuit is saturated anyways

[desert lily]

CNY bronya can be likely since Mei and Kiana

[slender dock]

Would it be rabbit?

Cuz each of the ny valks correlate to the year’s animal

[desert lily]

Next year is the year of the goat

[naive briar]

Bronya said she is making herself a newyear suit featuring bunny
which "confirms" a new suit 7 years later

[slender dock]

Right i heard its rabbit

[naive briar]

actually 9 years maybe

[desert lily]

2035 yeah

[glass nacelle]

2035 eos

[desert lily]

Idk who they'd choose for goat

[slender dock]

Imo durandal

[desert lily]

Dudu got RS

[slender dock]

I just have a hunch its either durandal or rita

[desert lily]

Rita got ME

[slender dock]

natasha

[desert lily]

That's copium

[slender dock]

[muted mauve]

Mei had a Qilin (Horse-Dragon hybrid)

Sheep Bunny

[desert lily]

Goat bunny?

Maybe

[slender dock]

It wont

[slender dock]

Practically still a horse

But goat bunny sounds abominable

[desert lily]

[slender dock]

You will have either a german mythological horned deer rabbit something or an english folklore beast (lepus something)

German bronya sounds funny ngl

Though all is speculation

[naive briar]

Nana is already a sheep dragon

[muted mauve]

[naive briar]

[somber egret]

[desert lily]

[obsidian berry]

[slender dock]

But will they ever revive roza and lili?

That would be unlikely, no?

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

why is it a dkey

i dont want to pull this garbo

[glass nacelle]

just skip

all in youyun

[copper shale]

youyun alr sss must

dkey is just sad

[glass nacelle]

🐳

[copper shale]

f2p

[edgy drift]

what is the comparison there ?

[shrewd socket]

dmg i assume

v2 vs v3

[copper shale]

there was like v3.1 which nerfed more

[nova osprey]

Think im gonna s youyun and sync1 dkey next patch, then get ss youyun the next next path

Unless i get lucky

[copper shale]

how much u got now

[nova osprey]

Like 17k

[copper shale]

no valk patch everyone going to ss youyun + r1 dkey

[nova osprey]

I wont have enough, ill have like 120 pulls by next patch

[copper shale]

rip

[nova osprey]

[glass nacelle]

nice recommend

[copper shale]

no psy phys. gotta bring out mpe

[nova osprey]

Unless i get lucky and get 2 youyun in 1 10 pull

[edgy drift]

holy

[glass nacelle]

bro 2nd stage is tanky

new psy phys when

[rancid plank]

Gotta shill MPE support for Mei

She triggers the Elysia skill!

[nova osprey]

Whats wrong with horb

[glass nacelle]

still suck

[glass nacelle]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1aSXcBpEVJ

how to sparkle weap in p1

ah I need to move closer to Kevin

[glass nacelle]

【【高级区】让飞机再次感受战车的伟大！-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/y42Tvr4

Op

[desert lily]

[prisma tartan]

wring chat

fk

[obsidian berry]

Goat

[rain isle]

Question: Is there some sort of rythm to how I should spam weapon actives for Luna? Beacuse I swear she stops swinging her chainsaws way too early most of the time.

Been meaning to ask this for some time now lol

[limpid glacier]

Mass the button alot but they are fixing the issue next patch though

Its too sensitive and triggers for the lightest hold

I find it better on pc than mobile

[rain isle]

Oh it'll be fixed? Thank god

Good to know, thank u

[terse ravine]

I looked here for livestream news and WUTDAHELL

Those drops without full context is evil bro

[naive briar]

do your test ama

[terse ravine]

Already day 1 and 2 but not going to post

[obsidian berry]

Unsub

[naive briar]

Block

[terse ravine]

Bad Cheebee

[naive briar]

Bad Ama I've done the mini endfield event and started my guide

[terse ravine]

FIX THE DAMAGE FIRSTTT

Why would i even try if SS0-1 PAWS can score 26-49 pts lower than SW in SW's own bosses

[vale granite]

Okay, but how does S0 PAWS compare

Significantly worse I assume

[terse ravine]

I mean the rank is SS0-1 at default...

[vale granite]

Sadge

[stoic flare]

Guys how does S rank v3 youyun aop fair against s rank songque aop

In razor language

[steep axle]

rita bronya w other same (i think)

[stoic flare]

Is there a difference in who's better

[somber egret]

S Youyun >>> S Songque

[glass nacelle]

Over

[somber egret]

Grandma retirement

[glass nacelle]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1PcQzB2EKY

kek

[still vine]

how is the difference only 3 points, i thought the nerf was supposed to be giga fucked

oh wait i'm dumb it's silverwing leader vs horbius leader

[nova osprey]

[glass nacelle]

her ult dmg in so is suck

even as support it's better

[abstract night]

How did that happen

[small wing]

Bronya still bricked?

[obsidian berry]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[pliant sail]

Wait why no cn livestream announcement yet

[obsidian berry]

friday/saturday

[half shard]

why this DLC so brick

[tender grotto]

besides atk

what else is the dlc useful for

[zinc nimbus]

[tender grotto]

[abstract night]

F2p Kalpas

[tender grotto]

the-WHAT

details

now

[steep axle]

Kalpas always was a SW boss

Type counter and stuff

[main goblet]

hle did steal it once (abyss version) but now im expecting sw + hle
or ps for ma version lmao

[vale granite]

Kalpas was stolen multiple times

[main goblet]

did hoh get to steal it at least once?

[vale granite]

First ranked Lantern, then JDS, then HoHE (idr whether we actually had Kalpas between HoHE and HLE), then HLE

Hold on, lemme double check

[main goblet]

eh? jds? interesting

weather advantage i suppose

[vale granite]

HoHE was too old at that point

And yes, we did have Kalpas between HoHE and HLE

[vale granite]

Nvm, wrong vid date xdd

But HoHE topscoring that is obvious

[main goblet]

should be sw's boss now unless sw stay with her wet noodle v3

still surprised a 4yo valk is getting a dk man

[ember locust]

Will V4 sucks ?

[vale granite]

We don't know man

[main goblet]

atp it will be minor changes

[main goblet]

[ember locust]

[ember locust]

Soon Bronya SW dying meme

[main goblet]

remove sw

[glass nacelle]

Nah youyun must pull sw ez skip

[molten coyote]

Where is youyun's regen at?

S or SS

[desert lily]

Should be SS

Like the other Aops have

[molten coyote]

Teri's at S

Not sure if I'm gonna pull her, only ws valk I have is sena and don't have Rita to take advantage of surplus on wod

Though I would imagine new better chars for wod with surplus would release down the line

[desert lily]

[glass nacelle]

S

Initial is ss

[ember locust]

Wait what ARI Initial blocked at SS ?

That's new

How much ARI she has ?

[smoky lintel]

Sera is the same it just depends on the aop

Though yeah the trend is initial Ari at s and regen at SS

[glass nacelle]

I think with surplus initial ari is more important

[charred prawn]

4* kiana elf is comparable to astralOP? should i try to get any of the astralop or stay with 4* kiana elf also

[molten coyote]

Oh that's nice

[muted mauve]

weird... livestream should've been announced by now.

[ember locust]

☠️☠️ We're cooked

This patch is so weird

[potent forum]

they're waiting to announce HI4th, obviously

[glass nacelle]

20 mins stream

[feral epoch]

15 mins

[muted mauve]

.-.

they probably just moved announcement day for tomorrow

[charred prawn]

whats the best vita dps team

[smoky lintel]

Vita/fdd/hofi though if you have ranks vbm is also an option it generally depends on your situation

[muted mauve]

wrong channel

[smoky lintel]

Yeah and that, for gameplay questions like that ask in #💁gameplay-help more active helpers will lurk in there

[charred prawn]

whos fdd vbm and yeah sorry for that

[smoky lintel]

Fdd is s rank coralie and vbm is a rank coralie

[golden hull]

what livestream

[muted mauve]

patch livestream

[prisma tartan]

supprise valk

[magic gust]

[terse ravine]

Omg thank you

[charred prawn]

what about hofi dlc and elf elysia

[nova osprey]

Hofi dlc is the hofi dkey waxing moon, elf ely is the new ely they released a while back

[desert lily]

Tbf three ely's are called elf

[nova osprey]

True

[still condor]

nah HoH doesnt have elf in her name

[charred prawn]

no i mean whats the best hofi dlc team and new ely team

[desert lily]

Ely elf

[desert lily]

HoFi is still trio

[nova osprey]

Trio, hle depens on the boss and weathers but mostly its like fdd+fws

[desert lily]

Most of HLE's cycles will be SD bosses

[charred prawn]

making hofi SS is still worth?

shes s2 rn so i was wondering

[still condor]

mines still s0

[nova osprey]

Eh i wouldnt do it, but ig it could be worth if u have the dkey and need a cope option for img weathers

[desert lily]

I have S-1

[charred prawn]

whats good for img stuff rn? im returnee so

[nova osprey]

New dudu and new rita

[desert lily]

Not worth it to back pull though

[still condor]

doodoo

[charred prawn]

ohh i see but trio can still compete with them right? gap is too big?

[desert lily]

Ranked trio

[nova osprey]

Yea ranked can do it

[desert lily]

S0 just dies

[nova osprey]

@gleaming imp has been doing exactly that

[charred prawn]

then maybe i should SS it

[nova osprey]

[charred prawn]

i can also SS origin possibly

cuz shes also S2

[nova osprey]

Hoo still good to rank for ma stuff

[gleaming imp]

Usually on rita shill in RL I get top 3/+100

Sometimes #1

[nova osprey]

Because u have sss hofi+rl have skill issue+most probs skip rita

[charred prawn]

this spending character is even useful for my roster?

[nova osprey]

Can be usefull but idk if her wpless makes it brick

As support ofc, dps without wp just dies

[charred prawn]

ah i see. i heard badump kiana dont need her weapon at all for support but idk her case

as a SD dps elysia will do the work anyway so i think im fine without her signature

[nova osprey]

Oh that fws is wpless yea no jds wont do shit

[still condor]

i like how songque is the only character in the game to use trick staff

[nova osprey]

For now, we also dont have a 2nd rocket hammer user

[charred prawn]

her not having weapon bricks jds? im confused

[nova osprey]

Its just 2 coralie

[still condor]

at least theres 2 coralie
theres only 1 songque valk

[nova osprey]

Yea because on ur roster she can only suppory fws, and fws being wpless means u cant use fws dps so jds cant support anyone

[somber egret]

Songque dlc soon

[charred prawn]

oh i see lol then i can use bp balls for hofi stamps i think

[nova osprey]

I wouldnt do that, much rather save until u can afford a valk+her wp on paid bp

Or if u dont do paid bp, wait until a dkey comes to the reserve shop

[somber egret]

Use it on Sena next patch

[nova osprey]

Oh yea her wp comes to reserve next patch, can do that and have her dps with hle/bita/fws support

[charred prawn]

senadina still used btw? i have her and her stigmatas but no weapon

[nova osprey]

Yup

[charred prawn]

i heard ||shes gonna be given free|| so i hope she stays useful

[nova osprey]

Whenn u use her to support wod ring, she doesnt need to enter field to do her buffs so its just +time compared to other supports

[desert lily]

Don't have to spoiler here

[nova osprey]

Tho u dont really have any wod ring users

[charred prawn]

couldnt get her divine key so should i just forget her ?

[nova osprey]

At least youyun next patch will somewhat revive her dps capabilities

[nova osprey]

Yup

[charred prawn]

oh also i forgot to mention. rn im close to getting new mei 4/4 so i dont know her best team also

what kind of team i can make with my roster

[still condor]

badum and ely

[charred prawn]

its her best team?

[nova osprey]

Nope but its the best u got

[still condor]

no but you dont have big coralie

[charred prawn]

yea sadly. shes used in a lot of teams is she part 1 hotr level support for part 2?

[nova osprey]

Not having fdd wont be too much of a problem untik u wanna myriad or smt

[charred prawn]

im good retaining RL

[still condor]

vita and big coralie give breach so pretty much yeah

[nova osprey]

Not for part 2 entirely, just for the ring law of ascension and grail of infinitude

[charred prawn]

i see. i will look for mei, badum, ely team gameplay cuz im not used to play part 2 astral ring stuff

idk when to activate it

i mean i kinda know it but every team needs different rotations

[nova osprey]

For mobbing u can use it whenever but for boss there is typically 2 playstyles, save it until u can kill in the outburst, or use it early, end it early and regen the ring so u can use it again near the end

[charred prawn]

for my roster, getting sw dk is worth?

can i make her best team possibly?

i have her at s2 rn

[nova osprey]

Idk her bis team but u can make trio

Sw fws mei

[copper shale]

10 atk is kinda worth

[nova osprey]

[charred prawn]

lol part 2 trio actually

[nova osprey]

Btw hows sw dkey looking like now, heard they nerfed it again?

[charred prawn]

HoS brick dlc is used still?

[nova osprey]

I think some ma stuff use it but abyss not anymore

[charred prawn]

vita mogs her i think

[copper shale]

still trash, if u mean like 2 or 3 days after v3 dropped, yea there were more minor nerfs or something

[nova osprey]

Surely they buff it on release

[charred prawn]

btw im clearing ER at 2.5x but why are they locked

[copper shale]

with the said char

[charred prawn]

oh wait

[nova osprey]

U need to clear inferno with hoo to unlock hoo stamps for example

[charred prawn]

aight i will farm those stamps i think only useful one is origin there

[copper shale]

depends, if no hofi dkey she pretty useless

and outside of ma u dont use her

[charred prawn]

well i have hofi key and shes s2 so

[copper shale]

no rita? ig u get ss hoo from this, but will still need extra stuff to make it work for some bosses

[charred prawn]

no rita yeah. thats why im considering getting them both SS

[copper shale]

well, likely demoot anyways because they dont do well at all, unless its like img bull ig, which wants full trio

[nova osprey]

I mean dry can retain with trio on rita shill, idr if he did with dudu shill tho

[copper shale]

he is grossly overranked for rl

[nova osprey]

[charred prawn]

damn even with double SS? thats brutal despite the divine key and ranks

[copper shale]

double ss means nothing if the valk is like 3 years old atp

[charred prawn]

[copper shale]

also its really just bull that u can still do okay

[charred prawn]

me when i return the game after 2 year lmao

[copper shale]

other specific shills like img pig then u have no chacne

[still condor]

marut my beloved

[charred prawn]

what do i slap for img stuff except rita

[somber egret]

Sleeb

[gleaming imp]

Guranteed retain however no top 3

[copper shale]

also na brackets

[nova osprey]

True

[gleaming imp]

Funny story for one Dudu shill I -100 because my hotruth 3pc was swapped for 3pc something else iirc it had a Zhenyi because I was using the 3pc on my CE or SI

I didn’t know it was that until later

[terse ravine]

I was nearing demot to Agony 3 with SS+ P1 valks by v7.6 with no AR valks, idk how someone survives that in v8.7

[gleaming imp]

I only had p2 trio until 7.8/7.9

[somber egret]

[charred prawn]

living in a world were barely 10 valks are playable and usable

[rancid plank]

?

What world is this

[charred prawn]

honkai world

[rancid plank]

Or do u just mean 10 that u own

Rather than in general

[charred prawn]

id wanna say that i own but i think its in general nowadays

[rancid plank]

I use more than 10 valks and I haven’t even hit my first year

So I just don’t have a lot of older stuff

[desert lily]

[rancid plank]

VBM Thelema Hofi Badum PS Paws FDD HLE ME Mei Luna. And there’s been chances to use HoHE and Horb too, I’m just held back by 0 prisms

[gleaming imp]

I have senawho, cora1, Hofin/trio, vita, badum, HoH, thelema, cora2, horb, LV, mei, so a total of 13 valks to use

I get 2 more next patch with sw dkey and sparkle

[feral epoch]

Ok

[charred prawn]

if i have elf ely as SD dps, getting badum kiana weapon is worth or should i keep her as support?

[nova osprey]

Keep her as support

[gleaming imp]

6 more patches til hle for me

[glass nacelle]

Look like the first patch doesn't have qua boss since teri debuts

Quabad

phys alien guard will definitely appear

[muted mauve]

uhm

[ember locust]

Always have been

Quashit

[abstract night]

Bc no sparkle asc 😔

8.9 gotta be qua..

If it isnt
The pattern is d-dead

[ember locust]

There was no reason to delay Sparkle ASC aaaah moment

[ember locust]

There was not really a pattern with Qua though

[naive briar]

[abstract night]

There has been atleast 1 qua valk
Every like "patchly version"
3.whenever sp came out (3.0ish/3.1ish/3.2ish)
3.5 sn
3.8 vg
4.2 FR
4.8 Nyx
5.9 VV
6.5 vq
7.7 Teri
7.9 Sparkle
There was atleast one in 3.x 4.x 5.x 6.x 7.x

Fullproof

Until hoyo says "nah" and we don't get a qua valk in 8.9
Then its dead

[steep axle]

ah yes the x.9 before herrscher skip qua valk

[abstract night]

Well actually.!
4.3 wasnt a herrscher
3.6 was dj
4.9 was collab (then afterwards yeah herrscher)
6.6 was hare
And dudu sad

Oh wait x.9

Yeah no dudu was sad

[steep axle]

[abstract night]

Ignoring vill v
No other qua valk (besides maybe sp but im too lazy to verify)
Who released in x.9 was released before a herrscher

[steep axle]

sparkle before vita should count

honoary skip valk

[abstract night]

Vita was 7.8
Sparkle was 7.9

[steep axle]

who was 8.0

do i have b12 deficiency

[feral epoch]

doodoo

[abstract night]

Dudu²

[somber egret]

[scarlet sapphire]

Wasn't Nyx released one patch before Hofs?

[vale granite]

Nah, there was Fischl between them

Nyx in 4.8, Fischl in 4.9 and HoFs in 5.0

[muted mauve]

Livestream still not announced*

[somber egret]

[rain isle]

[glass nacelle]

They cut it trust

[abstract night]

They liked doing collab units before Herrscher.
4.5 asuka
4.6 HoS

4.9 fischl
5.0 HoFs

[rain isle]

7.9 Sporkler
8.0 Smol Dudu

Although dudu ain't a Herrscher XD

[desert lily]

Part 2 had no Herrscher

[rain isle]

But idc she's adorable

[rain isle]

The closest equivalent would probably be Que if I had to take a guess

[desert lily]

Yes

JDS to be exact
Though she kinda meh besides FWS dps on SD once they patched fish skip and machine gun

[rain isle]

:(

At least I have s2 Que now

Smol upgrade

[feral epoch]

smol usecase

[rain isle]

Idc

[gleaming imp]

I'll wait til the last 3 weeks of 8.8 to see if no sparkle asc

[ember locust]

At least it's not Fraudnya DK Lv1

When V4 btw ?

[feral epoch]

update on friday

[ember locust]

Update live or update v4 ?

[feral epoch]

beta

[ember locust]

Happily

[feral epoch]

live is thursday

[ember locust]

Tomorrow then

😭😭 They need to make Bronya way better

[glass nacelle]

we actually don't have v4

[desert lily]

[velvet dune]

The First non Quantum valk to be dead on arrival (Return)

[tender grotto]

i swear if i get a sparkle weather again

[ember locust]

No v4 or you're doomjoking ?

[somber egret]

v4 is Live Version Update

So yeah no v4, hence v3.999 stuffs since it's a follow-up adjustments while live server is under maintenance

[glass nacelle]

No client update after v3 so no v4

https://b23.tv/Qm7TWEd

ss youyun at home :

[ember locust]

Long sigh

Time to pin this...

[steep axle]

4.7 hb

[abstract night]

Hb?

[vital island]

guys do we know when the new dk of silverwing

is coming to global?

[umbral spoke]

next patch on May 1st

[vital island]

and theres no valk there right?

only dk?

[umbral spoke]

no valk, correct

just the dk and a new astralop, youyun

check the pins for details

[vital island]

since we have time to save think sera aop is still worth pulling?

do we know which ring youyun supports?

[umbral spoke]

yes, world star

[desert lily]

Youyun also supports WoD

[umbral spoke]

as for backpulling aops, depends on your goals. do you want to stay in nirvana?

[vital island]

im on rl but yeah i want to rank up to nirvana and then stay

[shrewd socket]

where tf is the dkey box

[vital island]

ideally

thats why they gave songq on the spending event then xD

[umbral spoke]

then expect people to have at least SS Sera for WoD. I can't say much about Youyun in comparison

[vital island]

if they gonna replace her

oh wait she supports 2 rings WoD and world star?

[golden hull]

when is it

[vital island]

just read her info from beta, and will skip sera for now and try to save for SS youyun instead

[desert lily]

Idk how's SS Sera vs SS Youyun tbh

[steep axle]

haxxor bunny

[abstract night]

No ik i just dont see her relevance

[muted mauve]

Supposedly this saturday.
But there has yet to be an announcement which is weird.

[noble cobalt]

is there even going to be a livestream for this patch

there's hardly a need for one since there's no new valk

[desert lily]

Literally said right here

[noble cobalt]

"supposedly" "yet to be an announcement" lol

which is why i questioned whether or not a livestream is happening

[atomic coral]

clearly they're announcing that the ceo of mihoyo is getting a dkey

[noble cobalt]

10 minute livestream i guess

or more like 7

5 minutes for the key and 2 minutes for youyun

if it even takes 2 minutes to explain what youyun does

[muted mauve]

events? story?

you realize the valk section is not even 1/6th of the stream

[noble cobalt]

Was there a new main story in 8.8 I only really cared about the dkey

[muted mauve]

-_-

[noble cobalt]

And what would they do for the version trailer the valk is like 1/2-1/3 of the trailer

Either the trailer is just a story showcase or like... they give youyun her own section

[desert lily]

Chapter 12?

[muted mauve]

main story + event

[desert lily]

Supposedly a part 2 event

[charred prawn]

am i late for SW DK?

[desert lily]

I'm hoping it is

[desert lily]

Nah

[noble cobalt]

SW's ranks aren't that big of a deal

I guess they're useful for extra talent levels

[atomic coral]

s2 is the only big one

the rest is okay

[noble cobalt]

I wonder if they'll do a discounted 10 pull for the weapon banner since there's no valk I hope so

[muted mauve]

Youyun is the discounted banner

[noble cobalt]

oh

I guess that counts

[desert lily]

Yeah

I believe you get 12 pulls back
2 pulls per ten? I don't remember

[ember locust]

Chapter 11 EX nah ?

Or was it this patch ?

[desert lily]

That's this patch we're currently in

8.8 should have chapter 12

[ember locust]

Hmmm

[noble cobalt]

Does SW have surplus on her own or does she need Youyun to do it? I haven't seen any SW videos without Youyun so I can't tell who has the surplus skill

[desert lily]

Chapter 11ex tomorrow

[desert lily]

SW has it on her own

[noble cobalt]

I see

[desert lily]

Youyun gives the third surplus bar

[noble cobalt]

just for ws or also for wod?

[desert lily]

Both

[noble cobalt]

oh cool

[desert lily]

Just don't see WoD often in videos

[noble cobalt]

I havent seen youyun in a wod showcase yet

[charred prawn]

kirin mei, badum kiana, elf ely can make a great team together?

[desert lily]

It's mostly SW and some WS

[desert lily]

Yes

[charred prawn]

we just put ely as leader right?

[desert lily]

HLE XDC FWS
XDC FWS HLE

[noble cobalt]

As far as I remember I think SW managed to get out of beta without too many nerfs, she looks really strong

[desert lily]

Should be fine with glblul dist

I meant lol

[noble cobalt]

Probably early to say but SW looks like the strongest/one of the strongest dkey upgrades so far

[desert lily]

Surplus for WS does sound crazy

[noble cobalt]

Which to bring such an ancient valk back into the meta they had to make her super strong anyways

[charred prawn]

whats the best team for dk sw rn?

[desert lily]

Probably a bit boss dependant I would say

[noble cobalt]

I saw horb/hle used the most

[charred prawn]

shes world star?

[desert lily]

Yes

[noble cobalt]

but SW has a locked partner skill so her team will change in the future

[desert lily]

I've seen Vita instead of HLE sometimes

[charred prawn]

vita and hofi can work i think

[desert lily]

Yes

[charred prawn]

or vita and senadina

[noble cobalt]

eh sena isnt a good ws support

[desert lily]

She's better in WoD

[charred prawn]

WoD?

[noble cobalt]

HoFi is still good but they've since released stronger options for WS

[noble cobalt]

wheel of destiny

HoFi still has quick resonance triggers but the recent WS supports also have quick resonance but just have stronger buffs than HoFi does

[charred prawn]

maybe kirin mei can work

and vita idk

[desert lily]

Vita has been BiS for WS due to her being like the main good breach support for that ring

Though she's often slow

[charred prawn]

i see. i am trying to learn to make good teams rn so you know better

[noble cobalt]

I think with SW releasing, WS teams without Vita will see a spike in usage

Or maybe you'll just use them together to combine her breach with SW's surplus

[desert lily]

Tbh idk who SW will replace in my HoRb team
FWS or XDC

[shrewd socket]

inb4 none

[noble cobalt]

I know who she’s gonna replace in MY HoRb team …

[charred prawn]

btw i dont have horb dkey since im a returnee. its too late to get it right? how can i compensate it

[desert lily]

Wdym none

[noble cobalt]

You just have to wait for it to come back lol, but you should focus on pulling valks over a divine key, #💁gameplay-help is useful to ask in depth questions to

[desert lily]

Is lamp really your best option??

[charred prawn]

wishing hoyo to release horb dkey replacement lmao

[noble cobalt]

I have vita from an old carnival supply but she has no weapon and is unleveled because i havent played enough to max her out

[desert lily]

[atomic coral]

just use someone else with domain resonance

teams aren't that rigid anymore

[noble cobalt]

horb is a strong support for ws but there's like 5 other strong ws supports

you dont need her at all

[desert lily]

Doubt they also replace HoRb anytime soon but what jabjab said

[shrewd socket]

it's bound to happen

[noble cobalt]

In the far future

but they havent (outright) replaced any astral ring valks yet

[desert lily]

I mean she is the only Valk with part 2 mechanics that can handle Dominance weathers

[shrewd socket]

Sena was replaced by Vita as a breach support, both VBm and VBs have been replaced on sight

[desert lily]

Vita vs Sena in WoD is still on going

[noble cobalt]

Vita needs ranks to beat Sena in WoD, and by "replace" I mean release a valk of the same element + type as another one

[desert lily]

Tbh SD can replace each other

[noble cobalt]

Idk if JDS still has any topscores but HLE didn't replace FWS at least

[desert lily]

Mainly Physical AG

[shrewd socket]

Phys AG? probably requires ranks tho

[desert lily]

Yeah

Probably can just do anything Phys with an SD valk that's support

[noble cobalt]

Maybe sena can scrape out a topscore with SW support

[desert lily]

Eh
People will mainly use Sena HLE FWS probably on most of her bosses

[charred prawn]

senadina weapon worth to get in bp btw?

[noble cobalt]

I remember there was an abyss stage with just mobs in it that sena used to topscore, who owns that stage now?

[desert lily]

FWS

[noble cobalt]

Makes sense

[desert lily]

Mob link DMG is pretty good

[noble cobalt]

Its not an issue if Sena totally exits the meta at this point

she came out 2 years ago

[desert lily]

Sena has three cycles

Lightning and Reso Guaymas then now Reso Sa

[noble cobalt]

Strictly talking about S0 valks at least, Sena will always see a usage uptick on WoD updates

[shrewd socket]

how far is reso sa trigger?

[noble cobalt]

which is great for a valk thats already 2 yrs

[desert lily]

The Reso triggers?

[noble cobalt]

And Sena isnt even that cooked compared to... other valks from her time

[shrewd socket]

consolidated stated trigger

[desert lily]

Ah

[abstract night]

Thelemas not that bad
She just needs stronger buffs

[desert lily]

I need to check a video