🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[abstract night]

I want ME purley for lightning stuff

[noble cobalt]

Isn’t SIMP kind of … losing her LV synergy next patch

[hard meadow]

sparkles damage sucks if the boss is even moderately tanky

[slate elm]

teri also had one or so instance where she was a best wod support for staying completely off field

[noble cobalt]

Unless LV is world star ?

[abstract night]

...huh yeah i guess so
The breach is gone.

[shrewd socket]

and won't be a thing anymore assuming LV won't be WS or WoD

[slate elm]

we don't know anything yet but yeah possibly

[abstract night]

So...the higher the disturbance....the better teri gets?

[slate elm]

but i mean current cases doesn't really remove historical use cases

[noble cobalt]

Simp doesn’t have much left to take and hoyo is still taking from her

[hard meadow]

yea

[abstract night]

Yay

[slate elm]

it does mean you have less reasons to go for simp now, but i mean simp wasn't recommended in the first place

[shrewd socket]

right

she was right before Vita

[slate elm]

hmm i thought i had one more use case for simp but i can't remember

MA is a whole rabbit hole i won't go into though

[hard meadow]

but then again eventually some new valk will probably just bruteforce more damage and you just use sparkle as a support to get rid of the qua dots or smth

[shrewd socket]

and Sparkle was right after also

[noble cobalt]

Release Teri

Release strong breach support right after

Release Valkyrie that is the same type and astral ring as Teri right after that

[hard meadow]

MA bosses are already squishy enough that you just do what i just said

[shrewd socket]

i want to believe most ppl pulled Sparkle thinking she was like ultra limited or smth

[hard meadow]

valrahal has been sushang lead for a while

[noble cobalt]

Mobius still being PS lead even though it’s almost perfect for Lamp …

[hard meadow]

its only PS lead cause we had paros

its HLEs boss now

[noble cobalt]

? My current leaderboard shows PS top scoring for Mobius

[slate elm]

yeah when i think about it, i can't think of any simp cases in MA atm, but past use cases were pretty ugly

[noble cobalt]

Oh I thought you meant that Mobius is HLE’s boss now

[hard meadow]

..yes

thats what i meant

[noble cobalt]

I’m confused

[slate elm]

or at least chaining between lv and simp felt like a triple phys support MA fight lol

[hard meadow]

paros and mobius are both HLE's boss

you cant use HLE on both at same time

[noble cobalt]

Anyways my point is Mobius looks like a perfect lantern boss and it’s not her boss

[hard meadow]

so you have to use PS on mobius

[little bronze]

what if no PS

https://tenor.com/view/bird-gif-25814996

[hard meadow]

idk sleep or smth

[noble cobalt]

Mobius is mech and has hit count mid phase and is not a lantern boss

[little bronze]

i always sleep on MA

[abstract night]

Theres....hemidall for lv...

[shrewd socket]

it was

[hard meadow]

not anymore

[shrewd socket]

PS lead also

[little bronze]

apparently lantern sucks or something

[abstract night]

Well fuck that

[noble cobalt]

:((((((

[hard meadow]

yeah but its not PS who enabled it

[shrewd socket]

either PS or FDD

[little bronze]

but how can you say lantern sucks to a face like this

https://tenor.com/view/lantern-tsavorae-akari-shu-honkai-gif-14080492649605206192

[abstract night]

My only good topscore SSS MA boss got taken by stupid sushang :(

[slate elm]

lamp sucks

[wooden cliff]

memorial arena plays by different rules

[little bronze]

best p2 waifu tbh

[abstract night]

Lamps just a sad case

[noble cobalt]

Try being a lantern fan

[abstract night]

Teri got done dirty

[wooden cliff]

yo ucan still lantern on abyss mobius which clearly doesn't exist anymore for some reason

[noble cobalt]

We have it worse than simp

[hard meadow]

sushang is just the best leader for LoA team

[slate elm]

tbh lamp had some really cool tech

[hard meadow]

and LoA is just op in MA

[little bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/parrot-guns-gun-gif-22261382

[abstract night]

Lamp just needs a flowier kit

Right?

And more dmg outside SO

[slate elm]

i think her kit was fine. her damage just felt... not there?

[little bronze]

do i like maid stuff?
no
do i like lantern maid?
hell yes

[hard meadow]

she doesnt have infinite timestops

[little bronze]

(dragonmaids are the other exception)

[abstract night]

I never had lantern so.

[slate elm]

same lol

[desert lily]

Lampmid

[hard meadow]

lantern is only usable in MA when you do like qte combo and ult with her and then switch to next char

[little bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/laundry-dragon-maid-dragon-yugioh-gif-1460176609870922219

[noble cobalt]

Recent p2 valks are so strong that they could make a weather specifically for lantern and she wouldn’t top score

[little bronze]

still not as bad powercreep as hsr

[slate elm]

well ok that's already debunked on fire tank lol

[little bronze]

[desert lily]

RGBenares will be such a nightmarish fever dream to face

[slate elm]

was it fire? idr the weather

[noble cobalt]

[little bronze]

defend the lantern agenda sairaan

[desert lily]

Yes

[slate elm]

but lantern did got some recent cycle that still wanted her. idk how it's like at a whale level

i know people coped with fws on tank before though but that was flux tank (RS was best there)

[abstract night]

Literally a buff they could give is
For the first X (probably depends on the wep) seconds of her BA SEQ gain 1.5x more of her bar and timestop
Resets when u WA

Where is flux tank

[little bronze]

so just faster KE buildup?

[desert lily]

FDD did quite well as cope on fire tank last it ran

[slate elm]

oh i see lol

that makes sense

all these tank weathers are mainly just checks for hohe support tbh

[little bronze]

im screwed this abyss cycle honestly

[abstract night]

So any WoD, LoA or GoI fire dps?

[desert lily]

Hate that mechanic

[slate elm]

it doesn't have to be fire. it's only fire on fire weathers

[little bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/honkai-honkai-impact-3rd-thelema-thelema-nutriscu-point-gif-6926291632372377791

[abstract night]

Oh yeah.

[noble cobalt]

I LOVE that mechanic

[slate elm]

otherwise tank is always mech so psy is a suggestion, but only a suggestion

[little bronze]

we still dont have a new archer?

[desert lily]

Just Ely

[slate elm]

sure didn't stop people from running RS, FWS, FDD as dps'es

[little bronze]

bow user
wait was hohe the last one
that cant be right

[noble cobalt]

HLE is an “archer”

She can’t ADS though

[atomic coral]

hle can't aim

[little bronze]

oh right

[abstract night]

So
Thelema Songque Lantern (HoH herself??)
Badum PS Dudu
HLE Helia Mei

[gleaming imp]

Let HoH have something as a support she ain’t got anything for GoI

[little bronze]

idk sounds like skill issue on her part

[abstract night]

She got dmg

[desert lily]

I gotten 780 with FDD PAWS VBm on tank

[slate elm]

can't aim when you're a variety streamer

[noble cobalt]

Well she’s like one of the best part 2 valks right now so

[little bronze]

so we can have a new archer or something with aim right

[abstract night]

HoH supporting hle

[muted mauve]

Honestly, accompanying hi3 main story nowadays feels like pain.
1 arc/year instead of 2.
9 week wait instead of 6.
EX chapters after every 2 chapters now for some reason???
(7-EX, 9-EX and now 11-EX)
Little to no side content.
etc...

[gleaming imp]

As a dps yes, idk as a support though

[slate elm]

hle also one of the more recent ones so yeah lol

[noble cobalt]

Her patch is over already and they’re still pandering to HLE

[little bronze]

s rank fischl coming i can feel it

[abstract night]

~~Nono even better

Sparxie in hi3 8.9 patch~~

[little bronze]

i thought when she died i wouldnt see her again
I was wrong

[muted mauve]

those are fighting words

[noble cobalt]

Lmao if you think hoyoverse will ever truly let the flame chase end you are mistaken

[abstract night]

Fire Quantum RoO, supports GoI

[desert lily]

Nah Bio Fire Bronya

[abstract night]

Ew gross no

Wait FIRE?

[little bronze]

the thing that would piss off carv the most might be another collab character
Firefly/Kafka when mihoyo

[gleaming imp]

Even better sparkle ascension during 8.7 spending event as bait

[abstract night]

[muted mauve]

Breath, did you ever claim one of the artbooks?

[noble cobalt]

FoV’s stellar key reading this sentence

[slate elm]

just port over that new zzz character that acts like sushang lol

[abstract night]

No. Uh i was too newbie in 6.4 and it never came back to glb

[desert lily]

[earnest forge]

mei revealed ?!

[little bronze]

this will be a slop story like many that has come before...

[slate elm]

give me a third valk like that too so every valk i swap to just fills the field with swords

[little bronze]

wait i missed this what

[muted mauve]

Goddamit. I was gonna ask Ai-Chan for your location.

[slate elm]

idr her name

[gleaming imp]

Yes 8.7 valk, shes GoI and can support LoA and also a LV dkey we don’t know details for that yet

[little bronze]

sairaan you cant just bait me like that

[abstract night]

Awwwww
Sorry~

[desert lily]

She can support WS too

[gleaming imp]

[abstract night]

Acts like sushang?
Do u mean like JK sushang

[desert lily]

Carv chose violence today

[slate elm]

yeah JK sushang

[abstract night]

Ye shuanguang is the character

[noble cobalt]

I am from the future, HoRb in GoI will be OP with Xentinel

[slate elm]

yeah that sounds right breath. ty

[noble cobalt]

This is not cope at all

[earnest forge]

ah thx, i assume as always dkey would hold less value for fairly new players that don't have to maintain nirvana.

[abstract night]

Thats why i play zzz

No prob bob

[gleaming imp]

Wouldn’t horb be type disadvantage on Xentiel shill?

[desert lily]

We don't know her BiS besides FDD probably

[earnest forge]

horse

[little bronze]

wtf
artbook is like 70 bucks to buy

why did i miss it

[abstract night]

Who is xentiel??

[noble cobalt]

Well I said I’m from the future which means I know, duh

[gleaming imp]

Since mech > bio and since horb psy then psy < bio which = horb is type disadvantage on xentiel shill

[desert lily]

Mei

[muted mauve]

If Kiana is not BiS for Mei and Mei is not BiS for Kiana.
I WILL riot.

[gleaming imp]

You’re so real for this

[muted mauve]

They are literally wearing matching outfits

[little bronze]

well, better buy some pitchforks in advance

[abstract night]

I hope they both prefer Dudu support

[desert lily]

Probably wouldn't matter since HoRb is a support

[abstract night]

Thatd be funny

[noble cobalt]

Me looking at HoH not being a bis support for HLE

[little bronze]

was there ever a Kiana that was BiS for Mei and vice versa?

[earnest forge]

I just hope hle and paws work well with mei, only have those 2 😂

[muted mauve]

[noble cobalt]

Although double Ely is BIS for HoH

[desert lily]

HLE and paws are the same ring as Mei

[slate elm]

as long as it matches the ring type and tags it's prob good enough for most intents and purposes

[muted mauve]

Think a little memes

[gleaming imp]

No badum in 2026?

[little bronze]

[abstract night]

Wc ci

[little bronze]

brother

[abstract night]

Trio

[little bronze]

oh

[abstract night]

And good HoO main dps

[muted mauve]

[little bronze]

ok just ignore my question

[slate elm]

lol

[desert lily]

XDC, PAWS, and HLE are all the same ring
Grail of infinitude

[craggy sentinel]

tbf the vice versa thing is pretty recently

[muted mauve]

fair

[little bronze]

damnit when is it someone elses turn to say something stupid

[noble cobalt]

I said than lantern has no weathers

We can share

[earnest forge]

true, now gimme paws rerun too. I want my paws weapon. How long till we get the next patch calender

[abstract night]

Than?

[abstract night]

Paws is in carnival

[little bronze]

thats not really stupid imo

[craggy sentinel]

its a fair assumption

[noble cobalt]

Not stupid just incorrect I guess

[little bronze]

ya

[desert lily]

We still don't know if that's the true carnival banners

[earnest forge]

Damn 😭 , no weapon for me then

[noble cobalt]

Anyways I need Luna GoI for my triple p1 team

[little bronze]

wed probably know if carnival will pop up next patch probably in like two weeks right?

[noble cobalt]

Imagine telling someone a year ago that LV/HoH/HoRb is a functional team

[muted mauve]

I remember questioning "why the heck is Mei NY when it's not even the year of the dragon".
Then the devs today went: Qilin (Horse/Dragon hybrid mythical beast)

And I felt stupid.

[slate elm]

https://i.imgur.com/IlApFHs.png it gets the best of us. dw about it

[abstract night]

https://youtu.be/d0KaEp5Jzok?si=iVMyA0KWrTYq45tk

[desert lily]

I do too now

[abstract night]

Wyverien sure is helpful

[muted mauve]

we already know

[craggy sentinel]

tbf the honse part is barely there

[desert lily]

Well

[noble cobalt]

Weird off topic but isn’t that what Ganyu is… a qilin

[slate elm]

oh i didn't even think horse until now lol

no wonder someone said that until earlier

[abstract night]

Please dont
GoI lv would be...

[earnest forge]

mei is gonna be referred as xdc?!

[desert lily]

Year of the Horse

[muted mauve]

CoraDragon, HeliaPlane, KianaNY, Vita

[little bronze]

wait we do?

[desert lily]

Likely

[little bronze]

oh

[noble cobalt]

I’m calling her Xentinel

[little bronze]

when did this happen? like today?

f f f f f f

[muted mauve]

I'll just call her NY Mei, just like I say NY Kiana.

[earnest forge]

whats her battlesuit name?

[abstract night]

Omg the xdistrict of columbia?

[little bronze]

well i guess ill try to luccsacc paws

or backpull her

[slate elm]

omg the xbreath dof cfire

[little bronze]

are they from Brooklyn or Queens?

[slate elm]

https://tenor.com/view/breath-of-fire-breath-of-fire-4-breath-of-fire-iv-capcom-bof-gif-12983167729273654530

[abstract night]

Thats what my accounts going to be

[craggy sentinel]

xentinel dawnbearing crescent

xdc

[abstract night]

Why not just dc

[slate elm]

i'm just going to put this gif in my drawer now because i'm starting to use it alot

[abstract night]

How tf do u say xentinel

[earnest forge]

Imma call her hot mei(it doesn't narrow it down 😭 )

[craggy sentinel]

sentinel but with an x

[noble cobalt]

I can’t believe it’s been a YEAR since badum 😭

[abstract night]

....THEN PUT AN S

[little bronze]

shentinel

[craggy sentinel]

ask them not me

[slate elm]

does this mean bronya next year

[craggy sentinel]

ong

[little bronze]

looks like seath the scaleless

[desert lily]

Holy fuck WS has a lot of support Valks

[earnest forge]

Uma

[abstract night]

Noooo please nononon

[little bronze]

musume

[desert lily]

Hopefully

[slate elm]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-nature-natie-uma-umamusume-umamusue-pretty-derby-gif-4081711891554715656

[little bronze]

apho 3 bronya trust

[earnest forge]

bronya deserves one, pls be goi too

[craggy sentinel]

p2 trio is real

[muted mauve]

I'm like 80% sure Seele will be 8.8 since she got a small redesign.

[abstract night]

Thats only relevant in usernames

[little bronze]

i'm bookmarking this to see if it comes truew

[slate elm]

i hope we have more ring types beyond GoI by 2027 lol

[muted mauve]

we should know day 1 of the next patch

[little bronze]

if we had like 7 week patches it would be easier for more ring types

[earnest forge]

I don't wanna pull more rings (ik valks can support many different rings but still)

[muted mauve]

On 8.1 they added Mei talking about Sushang.
On 8.5 they added Bronya talking about Rita.

I'm betting 8.7 will have an interaction like that.

[desert lily]

Bronya talking about Seele?

[muted mauve]

I predicted Rita 2 weeks before she appeared on the main story this way.

[noble cobalt]

Rita was a bait pull but I fell for it

[slate elm]

i really wanted to roll rita lol

[noble cobalt]

At least for a bait valk Rita is actually pretty good

[slate elm]

i hated her fanservice but her gameplay is fun and stellar surplus is cool

yeah she seems solid. I just can't justify it when i'm still boycotting sera op lol

[desert lily]

Yeah Rita definitely was a skip

[little bronze]

why the boycott

[muted mauve]

Rita is a skip until you have to fight SSS Marut without SS Teri

[noble cobalt]

I pulled Rita because I have no IMG Valkyrie

So it kind of was worth

[little bronze]

i probably should have skipped rita but she put a gun to my back

[desert lily]

Fuck

[slate elm]

i just don't pull astral ops usually

[noble cobalt]

I pulled sera

[little bronze]

chenxue tho

[noble cobalt]

[little bronze]

wait can we get an outfit for chen actually

[slate elm]

i definitely suffered alot without CX lol

[little bronze]

i love her lab design not her neet one

[noble cobalt]

Sera lets Rita fill stellar surplus immediately

[atomic coral]

problem is if you're new and you picked up rita, you have may have to wait a little longer for a solid team

[little bronze]

well then
Ill have to cope for sera replacement

[slate elm]

well on that note

[noble cobalt]

Maybe Luna will have HSS

[slate elm]

!faq gachaop

[winter dirge]

Should I Pull AstralOps?

NOO CAPTAIN!

If you are a f2p meta player, you should not pull gacha AstralOps - only players who are retaining or trying to retain Nirvana should consider it if they have the funds (unlikely for f2p players).

Reasons:

• Dreamseeker is good enough despite being free.
• Too expensive, especially if they need SS (~20-30k).
  • AstralOps have the same cost as a gacha weapon, therefore pulling one may result in being unable to afford a Valkyrie's weapon down the line (for meta players, this means skipping said Valkyrie entirely).
• The damage and score increase they provide in Redlotus and below is often minimal and not needed to retain.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[slate elm]

ofc if you're going into nirvana then it can be more meaningful

[little bronze]

this is one of those faq i strongly disagree with

[desert lily]

Literally me having to run FDD cope on Rita DPS

[noble cobalt]

I pulled Sera because WoD feels clunky to play without her

[muted mauve]

Right now every astralOp minus Teri has a 2nd design that could be made into outfit

[slate elm]

oh? i'm interested but maybe we should move channels if this is going to be an extended discussion lol

[craggy sentinel]

i mean s sera is literally just ds but abit more ari regen

[muted mauve]

Dreamseeker - ✅
Songque - ✅
Serapeum - ✅
Teri - ❌
Chenxue - ✅

[slate elm]

but i mean you can kinda just browse around hieu le's channel and see all the RL scores there @little bronze

[shrewd socket]

Rita is a skip until you have to fight SSS Marut*

[noble cobalt]

Not really, she lets you fill stellar surplus way quicker with Rita and she gives you ARI back during stellar outburst so if you happen to be in a fight where you need to SO twice, she helps

[slate elm]

the point gain really isn't much and you're basically paying the cost of a weapon per op. (do mind the ranks too)

[desert lily]

They should have made Teri op as battlesuit instead of Sleepy

[little bronze]

ah nah
it's really just while i agree it IS expensive, in my experience i felt that ss chenxue always provided enough of a score boost compared to sss DS

Could i have retained without Chenxue? Probably. But it just makes it a lot easier, and so i disagree with the "not needed to retain"

Although i probably shouldnt be slapping her on every team

[noble cobalt]

Also she gives ARI in stellar outburst to world star valks for some reason too …

[hard meadow]

they have been pretty open about it for a while

the patch main event also always showing next patch valk

at the end

[little bronze]

but yeah, this is the big point

Having a weapon gives you a much bigger boost than having the ss astral op

[slate elm]

i mean obviously you're going to observe a point boost. But even in Chenxue's case i generally only see like 20 or so iirc?

[desert lily]

If Seele would be next after Mei
I would guess Bronya talks about Seele

[slate elm]

the important point is how significant is it

[muted mauve]

SS Teri allows for some stall tactics that make it minimally bearable

[little bronze]

yeah
the 20 is significant to me because it's enough to not f me over

[slate elm]

and in my eyes, if a f2p's income is so constrained already and cannot pull all new releases, compromising that further with a gacha op is usually not worth it

[muted mauve]

for Rita it was main story not event

[craggy sentinel]

i unironically want ss teri because i always need 1 extra ari for that one specific ma run lmao

[little bronze]

just get in ten pull EZ

[slate elm]

well it depends on what this 20 is doing. In most cases it's already excessive if you're having the proper valks and playing properly

[noble cobalt]

I wonder if LV will take any bosses away from PS, since she’s bleed and if PS has psychic type bosses LV won’t suffer type penalty against them

[desert lily]

New Mei is still main story Mei just from an event like PS and FWS

[slate elm]

then you can say the same about any other pull

and when addressing a wide playerbase, it's obviously not going to work

[shrewd socket]

one way or another they show next valk the patch before her release

[craggy sentinel]

oh wait rita is like a really good loa support in ma right

[slate elm]

i will say i can see a world where an account is already in stable RL, and can opt to sacrifice a new release that they already have a good cope option for

at that point the gacha op can give them a fighting chance to stay in nirv better whenever they bounce into it

but this is a case by case consideration at that point

[shrewd socket]

she already has bleed and lightning tribunal

bleed HoS is still PS

[desert lily]

She doesn't take anything from PS

Not even V2V

[slate elm]

but will lv take anything away from horb again :V

[shrewd socket]

bleed VV might depend

[desert lily]

Can she take Dominance Tribunal?

[noble cobalt]

So her bosses just stay the same

[atomic coral]

is horb about to lose custody of her boss again

[slate elm]

btw be mindful of evaluating based on quantity of bosses

[noble cobalt]

At least HoH will always be good for tank

[shrewd socket]

they could make a new Heimdall too

[slate elm]

because what's actually important is the amount of relevant of bosses, repeats or not, the gets ran

[noble cobalt]

Well… as long as they don’t release a new archer that can aim

[desert lily]

Actually what bosses does HoRb have besides Dom SK and Tribunal

[craggy sentinel]

that's be funny kek

[noble cobalt]

Well at least she can 900 dominance sk… 🥹

[little bronze]

that was a joke yeah

it's just when i consider how much chenxue has helped me, i would pull on her again if i went back in time

[desert lily]

Luna can't take SK since SK has elemental resistance

[slate elm]

yeah i know but i'm still going to give a serious answer to reground ourselves

i definitely have used teri more than outside of LoA for the initial ARI alone

[craggy sentinel]

we havent had a starless weather in forever actually

hoyo should totally rerun one and kill all the new players

[noble cobalt]

They should just discontinue it

[shrewd socket]

since 8.4

[little bronze]

stop

[desert lily]

They're dead

[slate elm]

i think we're reaching the point for starless weathers to stop happening

[little bronze]

ches why would you say that

[craggy sentinel]

yes

starless apoopoo when

[slate elm]

keep in mind loosely valks keep relevance for roughy 2 years give or take

[craggy sentinel]

hare check

[slate elm]

starless was there to keep that relevance going when astral ring was so dominant

[noble cobalt]

Everyone -100 😫

[atomic coral]

what if they bring back that one elysia boss fight that never showed up again and make it a starless boss for SW randomly

[little bronze]

thats better than hsr tf

[atomic coral]

and we never see it again

[craggy sentinel]

kek

[desert lily]

You can run Mei as cope

[little bronze]

just to flock with people

[shrewd socket]

ice Elysia?

[atomic coral]

yeah

[noble cobalt]

I don’t have HoFi key

[gleaming imp]

Please starless andrius rerun please hi3 I kind of need this, my snek needs to be fed, she hasn’t gotten any shill since 7.8, I really want to see her shine again

[desert lily]

Mei is GoI?

[craggy sentinel]

she's a goi valk, not roo

[slate elm]

she got fed already

[craggy sentinel]

you want goi supports

fws ps paws fdd hle etc

[desert lily]

Are you thinking of HoO or something

[noble cobalt]

Oops thought you meant HoO since we are talking about starless

[craggy sentinel]

hoo would just die on starless apo

[desert lily]

Aponia has extremely high Elemental resistance

[slate elm]

didn't stop thele cope

[craggy sentinel]

lightning res and no summoned enitity or type counter to make up for the dmg loss? nuh better off eeping

[desert lily]

Fair

[craggy sentinel]

thel gooj

[shrewd socket]

is it safe to assume that XDC's kirin is Bella?

[slate elm]

imagine dominance kallen

[craggy sentinel]

holy

the shameless check is unreal

[noble cobalt]

Can HoRb brute force

[desert lily]

New HoRb boss?

[slate elm]

and then LV finds some way to rely on bleed DoT to win

actually isn't that some mimi video...

[desert lily]

[shrewd socket]

resonance Kallen*

[desert lily]

Smh

[shrewd socket]

dominance could use like

JDS or smth

[slate elm]

oh yeah hi herrsches

[noble cobalt]

Anyways I’m not going to be playing every day this patch so I can probably only afford divine key

I’ll just skip Mei and suffer

[desert lily]

Well we might Stun weather from her also

[noble cobalt]

Endfield coming out in a week so I probably won’t be playing hi3 enough to afford full gear Mei

[desert lily]

XDC has Stun

[slate elm]

fair

[desert lily]

Looks like a fun game

[shrewd socket]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-gif-14887144685173519659

[slate elm]

i always think it's good when people know how to draw lines in hi3 and not burn themselves out with trying to do everything in it, esp in balance with other things

[shrewd socket]

hi3 is my main game so

[noble cobalt]

It just sucks that AKE’s honeymoon launch phase is going to overlap with LNY patch but … that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make sorry Mei

[slate elm]

although maybe take a look at the crystals faq and maybe you can find some priority minimum to do to not lose too much from your abstinence

!faq crystals

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[slate elm]

but yeah don't be afraid to refrain from the game when needed

[noble cobalt]

I can still get dkey so I won’t suffer too bad next patch

I’m sure Luna will get more than 1 abyss phase

[desert lily]

2 usually

[noble cobalt]

Didn’t HoRb get 3 or am I tripping

[desert lily]

Only SK and Tribunal

[noble cobalt]

I see

[slate elm]

hohe felt like she got a whole samsaras worth of hellmaru cycles

they could've emphasized her in so many other ways

[noble cobalt]

Well it’s Elysia hoyoverse is basically obligated to pander to her

[desert lily]

They kept rerunning that fox

Then they ran Heph

[slate elm]

although i think heph is understandable maybe with how its freeze mechanic may be

but then they ran it recently and it was sort of fine

so idk

[desert lily]

HLE cope was fine on it

[slate elm]

otherwise we haven't seen rpc ever since lantern. I guess they learned their lesson and didn't want people farming evades with thele on it

[noble cobalt]

Do you need to log in every day for full gear or can you just do abyss MA and ER

[slate elm]

uhhh gear is just weapon at this point

stigs are craftable

17k crystals roughly for weapon at worst (60 pulls)

dailies add up to one roll across 7 days in the week

[desert lily]

You're more likely to get all 3 stigs from pulling weapon anyways

[noble cobalt]

What about valk + full gear

[slate elm]

valk at worst is 90

but we get discount on first ten pull

so usually 85

so 145 total

[desert lily]

~30k?

[slate elm]

i generally tell people to plan 40k for a full valk release

[noble cobalt]

If I can just do abyss MA ER + spend $$$ slightly and afford full gear Mei then I will

I’m just not gonna be on every day

[slate elm]

so 57k if you want to factor in a second weapon, but ofc bad luck on all three banners would be incredible

(well i say that but it's still realistic)

but yeah prioritize ER and abyss mainly

[desert lily]

MA doesn't give much

[slate elm]

maybe skip MA too. Three fights for 100 crystals might not be your cup of tea

[noble cobalt]

I already skip SS MA lowkey

[slate elm]

flagship events are the main thing i say to stay away from if you're crunching for time

because it's several hours of content for only less than 2 rolls

[noble cobalt]

Yeah I’m skipping event

[slate elm]

but i mean if you're about that content then it's an overlap of interest at that point

[little bronze]

yeah but if theres a dkey and valk like with horb....how much do i need then? 50k?

[noble cobalt]

Usually I can just spend to make up for what little rolls I miss from event skipping

[slate elm]

don't forget we tend to get more income in these sort of patches too

[muted mauve]

next patch event gives 600 xtals

[desert lily]

Holy

[slate elm]

wow a bit over 2 rolls now

[slate elm]

@little bronze

[noble cobalt]

But also I’m saving to whale on Endfield day 1 so maybe I need to F2P in 8.7…

[little bronze]

oh yeah
how many days til endfield?

[muted mauve]

I mean, I'm doing it for the story and the Kiamei emblem

[noble cobalt]

7

I usually spend pretty heavily on hi3 but probably can’t anymore

[little bronze]

im probably going to speedrun rest of hsr story and quit

it is legt not fun anymore

Im actually having more fun playing hi3 wtf

[muted mauve]

Though recent event stories have been kinda unimpactful

[hard meadow]

enlightened

[little bronze]

Except for events good Lord mihoyo STOP GIVING ME AUTO CHESS

[noble cobalt]

That’s too bad because they’re literally making an entire auto chess game

[slate elm]

i'll take auto chess over fall guys at least

[noble cobalt]

And it’s Honkai series

[slate elm]

but rerun events in general are exhausting

[hard meadow]

fall guys was never the main event

[slate elm]

even if they are reboots

[little bronze]

nah fall girls is better actualy

[noble cobalt]

At this point remove the tutorial phase for the auto chess modes, we already know what we’re doing

[slate elm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411078926706671636/925650516913045544/1.gif

[little bronze]

its faster to complete the dailies

more bs tho

[slate elm]

in both cases i usually skip them at this point lol

[little bronze]

[slate elm]

unless it's needed for some emblem

[little bronze]

give me clash royale event pls

[slate elm]

but usually it's just to empty the shop which is like...

[noble cobalt]

I want the LV copy so I can’t fully skip it

[slate elm]

do you really want to be doing dailies for coins?

oh true

[little bronze]

ncc is very coin intensive

[slate elm]

well so long as you guys know what you want out of it, it's all very right

[little bronze]

urghhhh

why does PAWS restore 20 ARI with FDD as leaderrrr

Why cant this stuff be obvious

[slate elm]

wait isn't the lv misison to do 10 matches. not 10 dailies?

[noble cobalt]

Hoyo making you play auto chess for LV copy because everyone would skip it otherwise

[little bronze]

i think its ten training arena, which are dailies

[slate elm]

training arena has a daily which gives you event currency along with its daily mission

but it's not really the other way around

let me check

https://i.imgur.com/716YDX7.png

yeah not dailies

[noble cobalt]

Unless your LV is SSS everyone technically has a reason to do the event for the free copy

[slate elm]

and i rushed it early on to max out my emblem before people figured out the mode lol

ok hang on i think we're diverging in focus here

i'm talking about the dailies of the events

[little bronze]

Hold on I don’t get it

You mean you don’t have to do event dailies?

[noble cobalt]

[slate elm]

you can do 10 matches in one day to qualify for lv

[little bronze]

Oh true

[slate elm]

but if you want to empty the shop then you'll have to do the 10 dailies

so ideally you would overlap

[little bronze]

That’s insanity tho

Who’d be crazy enough to do that

[slate elm]

but i had other reasons not to

[little bronze]

[slate elm]

emblem maxes out at 5k and you can get 500 in one game

so you can also overlap all this if you're really good at it

but i mean, people get better as time goes on so when it comes to these sort of events, doing it early is usually better

although later on maybe lobbies get infested with bots

because nobody is really playing at that point

[noble cobalt]

So technically I could do all of the LV challenges on the last day and still get her?

[slate elm]

or cram rushing at the end

idk what the other events are like

[noble cobalt]

I see

[slate elm]

star tempering is a rerun i think

and shouldn't be daily gated

but as far as auto chess goes, you can do the lv mission in a single day i'm pretty sure

feel free to test it early with two games or something though

[little bronze]

Yeah, the hero expedition looks time gated
But you only need to do 4/5 events

[slate elm]

text isn't always to be trusted

[hard meadow]

if you want to legit empty the shop you actually have to do the daily every single day of the event

cause of the 10M coins

[slate elm]

oh i see

[hard meadow]

i mean its nice they actually give you smth at least

[slate elm]

lmao limit 1000

[little bronze]

Yep

I’d prefer if you didn’t have to do it every day

[hard meadow]

yeah but you can actually get all the 1000

[little bronze]

But I need to stockpile on ncc

[hard meadow]

exactly on the last day

if you play every day

calculated

[noble cobalt]

I need hoyoverse to give out prism stigma level up tickets more often

[slate elm]

we'll prob get some next patch

[noble cobalt]

Why are they so stingy with source prisms 🫩

[slate elm]

we generally get them on multi releases

[hard meadow]

they arent, you just dont play the game

[slate elm]

you do eventually overflow on them

[noble cobalt]

[slate elm]

but having the gacha being a major source is pretty annoying and leads to variances

[noble cobalt]

Are they in the events or smth

[hard meadow]

events, weekly MA, etc.

[slate elm]

skipping a valk but actively playing does help too

!faq prism

[winter dirge]

Source Prism

Hi, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information about Prisms such as their sources!

Source Prisms are a very limited resource, so please be very careful not to waste them. They are used to upgrade and craft Part 2 Stigmata (all Part 2 Stigmata are forgeable).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[noble cobalt]

I don’t do events unless there’s a free S rank event

They’re all way too boring

[atomic coral]

that's why you don't have prisms

events are for mats mostly

[slate elm]

https://i.imgur.com/DEmbpgq.png we do get 3 from autochess

don't skip MA if you need prisms either

you do get 1 every week there

[hard meadow]

until the MA change it was somewhat strict like if you went too lucky on weapon banner you could lack prisms

but now that you get nine extra cubes from MA per patch its just a joke

[slate elm]

or unlucky on getting stig dupes

yeah

[little bronze]

Ok, I’m getting sick of reading skill descriptions

[hard meadow]

whats wrong mr memes

[slate elm]

it might sound strange when just earlier i was saying it's ok to take breaks from events and non crystal stuff but

resources are generic enough that you can get them later if you have to

meanwhile if a valk banner expires, it's a matter of waiting until the next banner (or rerun if non meta)

but overall be active in the game for what you're availably interested in, be it crystals, or needed mats.

[hard meadow]

i mean daily stuff takes literally less than 1 minute

you can do it while brushing your teeth or whatever

[slate elm]

yeah just alot of menus to lite through things

[hard meadow]

only thing that takes more time are abyss and er

[slate elm]

well we're talking about events just now

and the person earlier seems like they're not looking to login every day

which i understand personally. Even if a game's dailies is just menus in less than a minute, it's a bit tiresome to boot it up and sit across a few loads or click alot every single day

[little bronze]

my brain is
imploding

[slate elm]

but also they have other priorities and interests outside of the game too

[little bronze]

WHERE DOES HER CHICKEN GO???

[gleaming imp]

Personally I just do abyss last day or second last day or first day dependent on day offs and sometimes do daily’s only and call it a day to give myself a mini break to prevent burnout

[little bronze]

oh yeah
like i had s0 horb last cycle and wasnt going to try hard enough to retain or gain trohpies
it was a lost cause

[slate elm]

everyone is going to have their own kind of balance and it's a matter of finding your own

[hard meadow]

oh killing abyss boss takes no time at all thats why i didnt even list MA

like if you dont care about the score

but those trash stages probably take good 15-20 minutes to clear up

same with ER run

[slate elm]

ER is weird for me because

i use ScI to clear it. So it's alot of menuing then using ult to go do something else throughout a day

[hard meadow]

i prefer to use some actually effective valk because in the end its easier for me to just press buttons for 5 seconds and be done with the stage than press buttons for 1 second and afk 30 seconds for every stage

get it over with

[slate elm]

it's like going through ER drunk because everytime I look back, i have no idea what my current builds are like and i care less and less as i go further lol

yeah i get that

[hard meadow]

but yeah i do spend too much time going through the shops

need to learn to care less

just buy whatever and move on

[slate elm]

i definitely cared too much at first too

but nowadays as i get to the last area i feel it's usually good enough

maybe i should let go a little earlier

[hard meadow]

yeah i mean if i spend time hyper optimizing my build i might clear the stage in 6 seconds instead of 7

is it worth to spend 2 minutes in shop to save 1 second?

ofc not

[slate elm]

people ask what is the best ER build all the time and that's exactly the kind of question that pops into my mind whenever it happens

i mean if you're going for a world record/personal best run then ofc but otherwise...

[hard meadow]

yeah thats why i dont like the astral ring builds either

sometimes the AR activation animation is long

[slate elm]

yeah haha

[hard meadow]

and that adds up over every stage..

well i probably still have ptsd from songque

its not that bad recently

[slate elm]

ult spam stuff too but yeah

i'm sure there's some ults out there that are worthwhile in dps terms

but alot of the time i do question it over some other build

[hard meadow]

rita has very good gameplay for ER

just tap weapon

shame her damage is a bit on the low side

[slate elm]

sparkles too

people bragged about lantern beyblade but i got annoyed needing to control the direction to stay close to enemies

[hard meadow]

well it only mattered if you played with Su signets

[little bronze]

I think sparkles was pure braindead right

[hard meadow]

since the proc from his nexus is very low range

hohe dkey was the best recently

dont even need to tap just hold basic

and she did a lot of dmg too

clear those floors fast

[slate elm]

i heard alot about hohe but she happened when i was already too stuck with ScI lol

well actually

i think this was the case on her release too

it's just more updated with her dkey?

so i don't know what to say for myself there lol

[hard meadow]

well yea the non-AR build is the same as before just way more dmg now

[slate elm]

just mash weapon yeah

[hard meadow]

the AR build also basically instanly clear the stage but you do have to watch the animation

[slate elm]

i thought the lantern evade attack itself had a range issue too?

[hard meadow]

ehh its pretty long range

like at least 10 coralies

[slate elm]

maybe it was an issue on huodou room

[hard meadow]

i cant wait for them to replace huodou with some other boss on that stage..

he takes so long to activate his 2nd phase

[slate elm]

somewhere around here

hm idk. i feel this can still be an issue even in the smaller areas in ER

[hard meadow]

yea i mean

if you are that far away from the mobs waht are you doing

[slate elm]

or at least if you were to mindlessly hold evade and have her back into the wall

[sinful river]

From the dev video I think the weapon from Mei’s new battlesuit is styled after the Guandao, although I’ve heard some argue that it’s a Naginata

In my opinion the blade as shown in the video is too wide to be a Naginata

[naive briar]

Dev video said yanyuedao (guandao)
How to argue it as naginata

[still vine]

[naive briar]

Looks like a reading issue.

[desert lily]

Gacha player don't read
Or well they read wrong

[glass nacelle]

Probably 12 mins left for luna info

[gleaming imp]

Please be LoA or GoI or RoO

[desert lily]

We'll have to see
I would find it funny they wouldn't take advantage of the bleed buffs for RoO

[somber egret]

World Star

[desert lily]

[gleaming imp]

I completely forgot roo had that

I hope lv dkey is hofin dk level strong in terms of brute forcing content

[desert lily]

Don't know anything
Then again LV probably can't do better than PS

[glass nacelle]

Oh goi

[somber egret]

Grail

[glass nacelle]

[glass nacelle]

Lmao

[desert lily]

Grail with domain Reso

[somber egret]

Captain joining the fight

[desert lily]

Or is that HS?

[glass nacelle]

Loa

[desert lily]

So Helia but PSY and bleed

[somber egret]

Happy ever after

[desert lily]

They skipped LoA DKey

[desert lily]

Oh Luna on PS team

Also Mei on Luna team

[desert lily]

The cross looks pretty though

[glass nacelle]

New ult

[desert lily]

@rancid plank
LV is GoI with Heavenly Shift

[gleaming imp]

We won

I can use her with my ss chenxue

[desert lily]

Underwhelming

[rancid plank]

Good for people starting this patch at least

[desert lily]

True

[rancid plank]

It’s so ritaover for you tho

[desert lily]

I would say I should have skipped her but MA Marut begs to differ

[gleaming imp]

That took my trio basically 2 or 3 and a half minutes to beat

[glass nacelle]

Her qte is replaced by combo atk

[somber egret]

DKey too OP nerf soon

[desert lily]

Switching in phase 2 of that boss is a death sentence
It's very WoD coded

[desert lily]

Tf

[gleaming imp]

herrscher of brute force coming for her crown again?

[copper shale]

no

[desert lily]

She's still niche

LoA better though

[glass nacelle]

Her old ult is gone

Bye hitcount

[desert lily]

Oh damn

[gleaming imp]

Which means full atk now for affixes?

[copper shale]

have to look at the actual numbers, and extra ari dont matter when ring cd is what gatekeeps u

[glass nacelle]

Look like it

[desert lily]

[desert lily]

True

They did not take advantage of the RoO bleed buffs

[glass nacelle]

So she needs sushang for hit count stuff

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

trash valk

[glass nacelle]

[desert lily]

Damn she's not HoFi level

[copper shale]

hofi is mid

[desert lily]

Fair

[glass nacelle]

Fast

[desert lily]

That's a quick QTE

[supple furnace]

Luna…

[desert lily]

Her old Ult is gone

[copper shale]

goodbye hitcount

took away hitcount from ult and hitcount from qte atk

[glass nacelle]

Passive like griseo trust

[gleaming imp]

Maybe they put her hitcount somewhere else

[glass nacelle]

Deal more dmg to fixed shield

[supple furnace]

[copper shale]

maybe but theres barely any hit count in the first place, sushang has multi hits + that passive

[desert lily]

Which of Luna's bosses has HC?

[copper shale]

tribunal

[desert lily]

Of fucking course

Sounds like PS is needed?

[glass nacelle]

hos

We still don't know her stellar shift

Old ult cope

[desert lily]

True

[copper shale]

they might rerun bke boss tho

[glass nacelle]

Ew

[desert lily]

Lightning BKE

Or something new

[copper shale]

she the only boss with lightning hitccount

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

actually she be trash cuz i dont see hitcount anywhere

bricked

[desert lily]

Rip
PS needed

[copper shale]

no ps hitcount dont work

its lightning only

[desert lily]

Well

Lunabad

[muted mauve]

ok, back from HSR. Let me read this thing.

[copper shale]

well probs just bruteforce it nowdays like with every old p1 boss

[desert lily]

[glass nacelle]

They recommend cora + luna

It means her breach is gone

[copper shale]

maybe

or they just bad recommendation

[desert lily]

I mean she's with PAWS there too but we don't know yet

[copper shale]

animation and effect is mid

[desert lily]

[glass nacelle]

Lunabad moment

Ez skip

[copper shale]

the only thing matters is if effects good but they not

[desert lily]

Better than Elybad?

[copper shale]

ely dont exist

[gleaming imp]

What if double breach?

[desert lily]

[desert lily]

What double breach?

[glass nacelle]

18% lightning breach so who need cora

[main goblet]

oh lv info? can someone redirect me to the first message about lv stuff pls

[muted mauve]

Weapon name is what's expected. Luna-Cap vows of being together for all eternity.
Stigmata set is the (Roman) Dictator Without Crown. I think it's Caesar?

[desert lily]

Here ya go Stea

[muted mauve]

Ok this DK ult is actually a decent improvement.
In part because Luna's original ult was kinda bad.

4th time is the charm

[main goblet]

whats wrong with her og ult?

[muted mauve]

Mostly the ending pose

[shrewd socket]

your taste in ults has me intrigued at times

[desert lily]

Don't like the top view?

[main goblet]

she does have lighting buffs i wonder if that can be utilities well enough by paws
and bleed hmmm
even though ps is fine on her own when it comes to bleed application

[muted mauve]

Ok it's just Caesar

[main goblet]

cuteeee

[muted mauve]

Veni, vidi, vici

[desert lily]

Sticking with the Greek/Roman theme it seems

[main goblet]

yeah

[main goblet]

for some reason i was expecting the dkey valk to be loa since hoyo seems to be going back to the previous rings
at least mei and lv can work with eachother that's nice

also ritaover neither dkey or mei have anything for rita

[glass nacelle]

Lunabad pull sushang is better

[main goblet]

no wonder there's a ps rerun

[desert lily]

Lunabad
Sushanggood

[desert lily]

Would say I could have skipped but I mentioned SSS Marut liked to beg to differ

[shrewd socket]

i mean she has HS

[glass nacelle]

3 loa supports in 2 patches

[desert lily]

Kek

[desert lily]

WS still has a ridiculous amount though

[copper shale]

not that ma scores matter that much tho

[desert lily]

True

[main goblet]

i mean loa not hs

[copper shale]

and u didnt skip rita but are u still getting top sccores

[desert lily]

No
Not like I would have with cope anyways

[somber egret]

Her teamwide buffs are elemental dmg and physical dmg dealt by all team members and some total dmg, elemental dmg and physical dmg taken as well.
Lightning Buffs are for her only

[main goblet]

i mean it is what it is
rita is even more skippable
but that doesn't mean her shill will suddenly disappear

[copper shale]

yea so the point was if end result is the same, then prob shoulda skipped

[main goblet]

oh

[desert lily]

Too late now
But eh

[shrewd socket]

QTE also seems to be different

at least when leader

[glass nacelle]

It's just combo atk

[desert lily]

[glass nacelle]

Old qte is long

[main goblet]

well i guess i have to level lv in advance
since there's info about her getting a dkey
need to get her from event first lol

[desert lily]

But no HC

[copper shale]

wont matter too much since everyone now has ss+

[desert lily]

^

[shrewd socket]

stamps are in current supply shop

[main goblet]

i can get s2 from spending shop
that will be enough for slacklotus

[copper shale]

yeah with stamps everyone ss2+

[main goblet]

and if she's in pwo ill get the other stamps
that's if she's there

[glass nacelle]

Oh her sp regen skill from rank is useless now kek

[shrewd socket]

just get +2 to beat bc everyone git +1

[glass nacelle]

[copper shale]

who is everyone

everyone gets +3 here

[main goblet]

what if i +3 in the same 10 pull trust

[desert lily]

You mean the whels

[shrewd socket]

drya apparently

[copper shale]

drya n00b

[still condor]

drya doesnt even get +1

or s0

[gleaming imp]

I get only +1 for dkeys

[still condor]

+1 is base rank lol

[copper shale]

like they made it a dkey, so everyone is getting +3

[desert lily]

+3 HoFi would be great for you

[copper shale]

no questions

[gleaming imp]

Because I'm a f2p who's poor and can't afford the luxury of a +3 like whels can

[copper shale]

true f2p dont go for adv/ascension

[desert lily]

^

[glass nacelle]

Force to pay

[gleaming imp]

I do my own thing

[somber egret]

nah it's luna +1 is enough

[still condor]

true f2p dont even play slop impact 3rd

[somber egret]

[copper shale]

nah

[somber egret]

+3 for mei

[copper shale]

its not about luna its a dkey

mei can stay +1

[somber egret]

[desert lily]

Get DKey but don't use LV

[copper shale]

thats fine lel

[still condor]

get dkey but dont use LV and forget to tune it

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

but u be pretty blind to forget to tune

there's gonna be a red dot constantly

[still condor]

accidentally feed it to meis weapon as a honkai piece

[copper shale]

deserved

[somber egret]

true and then do it again

[desert lily]

Ok that's a whole different level lol

[somber egret]

emphasis on accidentally

[desert lily]

Nah purposely sacrifice it for Mei

[glass nacelle]

Time to use ez skip gif

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

imejin skipping dkey

[glass nacelle]

Imejin pulling dkey

[main goblet]

that needs an update

now even better with ritaskip

[desert lily]

Skipped Flawless Benediction on its release

[glass nacelle]

[still condor]

Part 2 ez skip, rather save for part 3 herrscher ring

[main goblet]

+3 all in 3 pulls trust

[desert lily]

[gleaming imp]

but it's Ely, pink cute girl, pink girls are always great archers

[main goblet]

saving for part 10 when we get apho 3

[desert lily]

I didn't have HoHe or the xtals to get it

[gleaming imp]

Oh makes sense

[still condor]

Loses to a dude with Grey hair

[desert lily]

And if I did get it, I would have a weapon for Valk I don't have

[still condor]

Didn't we get a free HoH right before?

[desert lily]

7.9

[main goblet]

yeah pulling dkeys aren't worth getting if you don't have the valk

[desert lily]

I was on a potato phone though at that time

[copper shale]

i mean thats not true

[main goblet]

the older dkeys are worth it because theyre farmable

[desert lily]

It didn't like Part 2

[still condor]

Rip

[main goblet]

if someone is doing that they likely don't have surplus pulls to go for a +10 atk
would you rather get a bis gear on a valk so they function or 10 atk?

there's so little cases for people to be pulling the important stuff and still have surplus to get a dkey from gacha

and im talking about someone who doesn't have the valk that the dkey is made for

[copper shale]

it just depends on what ur goal is and how far u are looking into the future
also, if u skip valk and get dkey
then its likely that you actually have enough valk and weap for next patch

[main goblet]

nope obv the assumption is that if youre pulling weap then you pulled the valk first

[copper shale]

but thats not true for dkey

theres many cases where its better to sack one or two patches, and the rest of your valks is permanently better off

[main goblet]

but as i said the dkey is just 10 atk if you don't have its valk
if you had the valk then sure
you get the 10 atk and the valk is useable

[copper shale]

its not about the current patch and current valk

[feral epoch]

just 10 atk

[naive briar]

I feel like dkey is a must for competitive players even if you choose to skip a valk.

[copper shale]

theres a lot of strat where ur off 5 atk and its bricked

[main goblet]

well you have to factor that you'll have shill to deal with

[feral epoch]

20 atk

[naive briar]

At this rate we are getting more p2 "stackable" dkey then the past 8 years

[main goblet]

and getting as much atk as possible is more so for nirv players
for rl players they have access to a lot of the p1 dkeys that are farmable
so they will be fine

[copper shale]

rl players dont need dkeys in first place, obvs when i make statements im referring to the highest

[main goblet]

not really but the dis is going up so the atk from the farmable dkeys is useful

[copper shale]

yes but its rl

[main goblet]

okay so when we're talking about nirv then we know that the player will have to take ls because they choose to pull a dkey without its valk over having enough funds for 4/4 valk?

[naive briar]

my rl people has 9s team...

[somber egret]

[main goblet]

i don't see that being useful at all unless you only wanna be in nirv in specific shills

[copper shale]

if we talking about long term then for sure

[main goblet]

yeah I'm talking long term

[naive briar]

AI chan shut

[copper shale]

because in some servers sneaking myriad is much easier but maintaining nirv is simply not doable in the first place

[main goblet]

idm getting dkeys if the person got extra
but my assumption here is that the player only got enough for 4/4 valk
and there's aops to consider too

if they have a surplus chances they go for aops or ranks of one

[main goblet]

i guess sure but you gotta be very specific about the shill you wanna myriad
i thought the benefit of myriad is the extra crystals
and people who care about it would also care about having a decent time with nirv itself
even if they're a bouncer

[copper shale]

aops are important but in the end they restricted to that ring type

[main goblet]

idk about cn tho so im not sure if people there got different strategies
im only talking about global since that's what i know

[copper shale]

above rl is not really about crystals its just the leaderboard bro

because the amount it takes to go to the leaderboard is way way wmore than what you need for a comfortable rl

[main goblet]

well i still don't see the value of skipping valks because you used your funds on a dkey if that's the goal
bc if you care about leaderboards then you care about having the right team for the shill
and if someone keeps skipping valks to afford dkeys then that's less shill to make advantage of

do you get what i mean?

again ill specify that my assumption is that the user doesn't have the owner of the dkey
its fine if they have it

[copper shale]

no because what happens is say u dont skip any patches and dont go for +3, then on any real competitive servers.
you will find that even with right shill, you lack the attack to make it to the top
you have a chance however, to sack this patch or next patch, and then on the patches where theres no dkey to pull, you have the shilled units and dkey atk

[main goblet]

well that's inevitable, you can't control your bracket

but you're even more screwed if you don't have the right team for the bracket

so you either want to be consistent on nirv
or only be there on the shills you know you can myriad or retain

[copper shale]

its much easier to stay afloat in rl and maintain a 1900 then promote into nirv to sneak myriad
then it is, to try to stay nirv and get the myriad

there's a big difference between sneaking myriad and maintaning myriad

what im saying is basically a strat for people who deliberately needs to try to sneak one

[main goblet]

you would have to be lucky on abyss lineup though

[copper shale]

thats fine, you have to understand its a way higher chance, than the other option

[main goblet]

i do find that too oddly specific but i guess if its something then do what you want
i still don't see this as a good long term benefit

[copper shale]

long term benefit is meaningless if you dont state specficially, what you are working to do in that long term

if my goal is really to sneak a myriad in ios/桌服 in cn, that is what i have to do

if my long term goal is a short term single myriad cycle

then thats perfectly fine to do

[main goblet]

i do see long term as valuable if you'll stay active in the game you you have invested that much time and effort into the game
unless someone just wanted myriad as a personal goal and then went casual or something or don't care about nirv anymore

[copper shale]

ig the other thing i should say is theres a lot of people with aops and shit but then when it comes to actual rl performance, sometimes the gap is far smaller than they would expect because actually they are down 100+ atk, and then the same rots dont work quite as well

like in rl esp, performance of aops is more limited

[main goblet]

yeah i agree

in my experience nirv rot is fucked if i don't have the gachaop
but because rl hardly used aops, the performers difference is smaller

i have also noticed a lot of people investing into aops while their account state is still young

no wonder why i can beat a lot of ppl with aops (ranked or no) and ranked valks
they hardly have any attack
and well... skill too....

[main goblet]

this would have been fine if i was in nirv during the time where ds was enough....

[copper shale]

i mean they do whatever they want but dkey syns over valk/weap is a fine thing to do, just really depends on what your goal is

and how competitive a server is adds to it

[main goblet]

i won't suggest it though
i would only say yes or no if the person specifies

[desert lily]

Glblul not that competitive in RL sometimes

[copper shale]

well u wont need to specify, because those who does it, already knows what they want

its like aops, u dont specificy or really recommend aops

[main goblet]

alright

[copper shale]

but the peoeple pulls it knows they need it

[main goblet]

i would hope so

apparently ppl in q mani are getting aops too

[copper shale]

well if they are q mani, they can indeed do whatever they want

xd

[main goblet]

lmao

[copper shale]

u just need to kill within 2 mins

and no pvp at all basically

there's leaderboards but crystal wise

it dont matter

[main goblet]

yeah so pretty much they're just getting em for aesthetic or gambling addiction

[desert lily]

Pulled for Chenxue despite it not being recommended but I wanted the DKey box and didn't even have enough for box in 8.4 after getting S Chenxue

[main goblet]

🧱

[copper shale]

well at least now u know that luna is goi

better than ds

[desert lily]

SS Chenxue carrying me in everything

[main goblet]

still debating if to get sq aop as a gachaopless player
maybe... at least if she's cheap

bc what would i be doing with ss jds

[rancid plank]

Godseeker could be carrying you if you skill issued less

[main goblet]

me with johnhonkai (we don't talk about nirv)

[gleaming imp]

Real

[desert lily]

Johnhonkai lol

[main goblet]

tenor is too afraid of the powers that john honkai holds
(or that he just lacks gifs)

[desert lily]

Lacks gifs

Anyways imma continue story

[prisma tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/mobius-honkai-mobius-fireboy-and-watergirl-honkai-impact3rd-honkai-mobius-gif-26823366

[somber egret]

gifs deleted along with him