🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[smoky lintel]

probably never because i'm pretty sure it was intended for fws but Rs took it

so hoyo just retires it

[main goblet]

damn

actually that one kasumi boss that lets u pick btwn the the fire buff or ice buff, what weather type did it have?
i know it was on fws's release and you had the choice to either go hoh thele breach or fws rs lp

[obsidian berry]

Type counter

[main goblet]

oh

[smoky lintel]

fws was cope to be fair

[main goblet]

yeah

a cope for non thele havers

[desert lily]

Tbf FWS doesn't do great against single targets that aren't SD

[smoky lintel]

she generally doesnt do great against single target

every boss designed for her has some form of other enemies

[main goblet]

is it rs that is the best bruteforcer among the loa valks?

[smoky lintel]

idk how they compare in brute force badum was still solids in my experience it's just that if you want to topscore a boss you ideally wan't some form of mobs for her link

i don't have rs and never really tried to bruteforce things i'd do with badum with ps

[main goblet]

fair

[obsidian berry]

Rs can bruteforce but feel very clunky

Also no tf

Better to spam 'badum hold atk + que charge atk'

[heavy fulcrum]

yeah i have badum and sushang but everyone uses coralie with HLE 💔

and i doubt i will be able to get both her and her weapon so yeah. RITA

[mild owl]

she's an improvement you don't need until nirvana at which point you would also need ss chenxue which is just too expensive

[copper shale]

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witch craft

[obsidian berry]

What in the quantass

[glass nacelle]

And p2 ded

[noble igloo]

I've got FDD and her weapon now, can I retain RL?

@vale granite

[vale granite]

Stop using this channel for this 😭

[noble igloo]

Oh..

[vale granite]

#👶beginner-help is the most appropriate one

[desert lily]

[vale granite]

Anyway, it depends on your skill

[noble igloo]

Oh..

If I get lucky I can get rita as well

I will try my best to get her..

[vale granite]

You might bounce between A3 and RL a couple of times, but that's fine

[noble igloo]

After lvl 80?

[vale granite]

Ye

At lvl 70-80 you should be able to stay in RL

[noble igloo]

It's fine as long as I make my 3rd candidate

[noble igloo]

I am out of resources..

[vale granite]

[noble igloo]

Need to farm them..

Cannot level up FDD

Sadge..but her weapon is maxed

Not getting prisms anytime soon so..

I have to complete those side events to collect only 7

And rest until the next Patch..

Atleast 1 lvl 50 stigmata would be nice

Ah why did I spent them on VBM..

Damn me

[glass nacelle]

https://b23.tv/5C05kxS

Pig is tanky 💀

[desert lily]

[glass nacelle]

-3d back to back kek

8.2 : 526
8.3 : 524
8.4 : 523
8.5 : 530
8.6 : ??? (now is 532)

[copper shale]

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kinda

ded and not ded

[glass nacelle]

3s hle so ded

[copper shale]

goi diff moment

[glass nacelle]

No it's just hle cringe animation

[copper shale]

both then

[glass nacelle]

[copper shale]

if it was loa u can watch the whole animation and mhy will just time stop the whole thing like sushi

[glass nacelle]

[rotund ravine]

can HLE do decently against Ice Raven?

[glass nacelle]

Pretty fine

Depend on your bracket kek

[mighty nexus]

is this an upcoming character? i have never seen her before

[muted mauve]

Old character whose design was finally revealed after almost 2 years.

[mighty nexus]

oh ok ty. shes cute

[muted mauve]

She has same VA as Hyacine

[willow crane]

Wait when did she appear? What's her name?

[shrewd socket]

Youyun, only mentioned until now

[muted mauve]

Youyun, director of Oxia's Data Institute and Dreamseeker + Chenxue's teacher.
Has been mentioned since before part 2's release.

[abstract night]

goddmanit

[prisma tartan]

god dammit i thought that was roza

[magic gust]

ngl, I imagined her to look different too

before we’ve seen her

[muted mauve]

She's always had some gremlin energy.

Also like 80% of smart poeple in this game are smol.

[magic gust]

hmm, yeah, checks out

aside from like MEI and Otto everyone else is a gremlin

oh! and Chenxue and Ajita, I guess

[rotund ravine]

if I buy the BP this patch will I be able to buy Lantern’s weapon next patch?

or do I need to buy it next patch to unlock the 8.6 things

[still vine]

[muted mauve]

Nagamitsu, Vill-V and Jackal

[obsidian berry]

Since when does smart mean nerdy people do stupid science things

Also Bronya can grow

[feral epoch]

yes

[muted mauve]

There's no LoA buffer in the final stage...

[desert lily]

[abstract night]

Sci supports LoA soon

[desert lily]

No

[abstract night]

Yes

[glass nacelle]

Loaover

[cinder cloak]

[gusty thistle]

Man

No funds for rita

But img lightning hmmmm

[steep axle]

chat how good is dudu at bruteforcing rita bosses

[tired cliff]

you skipping her too or something?

[steep axle]

and does rita work without HoHe and sena (maybe dudu + vita or smth)

[steep axle]

i heard vita ascension supply

shes carrying my whole account atp might as well get her to SS

[nova osprey]

Its probably cooked, lightning=phys res

Tho idk if rita weather gonna be img or lightning or wod

[desert lily]

I mean, her bosses with their weather's were revealed

[nova osprey]

Yea but we dont know which ones they are gonna actually run, maybe they just run them lightning weather new bosses+old lightning weather bosses

[desert lily]

Most IMG are lightning kek

HoD the only non lightning

[nova osprey]

Dudu just cooked then

[desert lily]

RS maybe can brute force HoD but not the others

[nova osprey]

[desert lily]

No Rita = Demote to sinful

[nova osprey]

Nah id paws

And demote to agony instead of sinful

[desert lily]

[gleaming imp]

Just use trio

[nova osprey]

Demote to agony

[gleaming imp]

Retain RL*

[nova osprey]

Nah ud demote to agony

[gleaming imp]

Not my trio come 8.6 rita shill

[steep axle]

HoO maybe

[gleaming imp]

Pretty sure I can just use thelema or hoh or trio for it

[nova osprey]

Nah ud get beaten by 10 rita owner

[steep axle]

helia can bruteforce sushang

[gleaming imp]

You forget people can have skill issue so

[steep axle]

HoO
HoH or trio
HoO
HoO
helia or idk

[nova osprey]

And u forget u urself have skill issue

[steep axle]

tbf i lesve at 18000 most time im on rl

ik im not retaining anyways

[obsidian berry]

Wish u luck on bruteforcing in shadow weather

[final locust]

i wonder what HoO enjoyers will cook up

[obsidian berry]

Cook 400+

[steep axle]

get cooked

[final locust]

well she has so many gear options

thats what i meant

[steep axle]

8 rita pullers will appear out of thin air last minute

as always

demote to a3

[limber cliff]

Do we know what bp character is coming after thelema? And if we’ll ever (if so when) see Solaris there

[feral epoch]

what's solaris

[feral epoch]

lantern, it's pinned on this channel

[limber cliff]

Little dudu

[feral epoch]

oh

probably later next year

[limber cliff]

Hm I see imma just assume it’s gonna be songque and dudu after.. so in release order

[limber cliff]

Im so tempted to go for fire fu hua knowing damn well I won’t be using her anywhere

[main goblet]

rs is already at the last weeks of this patch

[desert lily]

Gonna be a long while till we see RS in BP

[limber cliff]

If u mean her banner yess but I think it’s more worth to for coralie rn right?

Someone said she’s a must have and she’s lowkey fr in every team.

[feral epoch]

she is

[limber cliff]

SHES LIKE THE ONLY ONE I SKIPPED💔

[desert lily]

But not a good idea to back pull

[limber cliff]

Now I’m dying to get her

But mother had priority

(Elysia)

[main goblet]

no
just pull new releases

[limber cliff]

Wdymm is it Not a good idea to still get her

[limber cliff]

Alr damn wasted 18 pulls already but atleast pity’s down imma save for next one

OH MY GOD I FORGOT WE ARE GETTING MOTHER NEXT PATCH

[main goblet]

some valks still have high value but you don't have a pocket it fit an ocean to think about back pulling stuff

[limber cliff]

AND IM HERE TRYNA PULL CORALIE OOPS

[feral epoch]

if you have the funds, then backpull and pulling current new releases is the way, if not just pull the latest valk that version

[limber cliff]

Alr alr thanks

[main goblet]

backpull is still iffy even if you have a lot, you have to ask and specify first

new releases are a safe bet though

[limber cliff]

Yea no i did waste a bit on her already but atleast pity’s down imma just save

[main goblet]

yeah just save for now

youre interested in new rita anyways

[desert lily]

She needs her weapon anyways also
Most Valks do

[limber cliff]

And who can blame me for that😻

[main goblet]

yuh

[limber cliff]

Will we ever get new endgame modes though, been playing since like 5 years and there’s genuinely nothing to do except abyss and ma when the events are done for the patch

[desert lily]

Probably not

[main goblet]

[limber cliff]

And Elysian realm ofc but all those are idk NOT ENOUGH FOR ME

[desert lily]

Game is almost a decade old

[feral epoch]

they even delete and simplified some game modes

[limber cliff]

As long as servers don’t close ig..

[desert lily]

Speaking of
I forgor to get on my EU account for many days

[main goblet]

bricked

[desert lily]

It's already bricked when it has JDS with her weapon and Sena with her weapon

[main goblet]

lmao imagine if you show it to someone a year ago

[desert lily]

Lol

[smoky lintel]

well between songque and RS are 3 other valks

[rancid plank]

lamp sonkek simp vita sparkler rs, so if it's in release order it's gonna be like a year out

[limber cliff]

RS CAME OUT THAT LATE?

[smoky lintel]

yes

[limber cliff]

Ngl it felt like she was right after songque

Time passing way too quick

[desert lily]

RS was at the beginning of this year

[gusty thistle]

What if

[craggy sentinel]

no

[gusty thistle]

I just use hoo dps

And take the L on nirv

[craggy sentinel]

yea should be fine in rl

[gusty thistle]

Surely +100

[craggy sentinel]

maybe

[gusty thistle]

So far hows v3 numbers?

[velvet dune]

Doubt that

[steep axle]

doubt

wait sea rl

maybe

[main goblet]

depends on ur ranks maybe btwn +0 to -100 on rl

[untold tree]

Praying that most people skip and hoo dps will be enough to +0

Or that bosses are staggered nicely so that one can +100 -100 bounce lol

[feral epoch]

[steep axle]

i said the same abt dudu

guess who finished 16th with dudu on her own boss

[smoky lintel]

You'd be surprised how slac Rl is

I'll probably do some HoO DPS for fun and see if I could +100 with that

I got +100 on trio cycles with hoo DPS

Like they cannot play

[plucky cradle]

EU abyss isn't real

[steep axle]

eu abyss is real

you guys dont know the hell on my side

[desert lily]

I can't skip

PAWS is not gonna be a good cope

[untold tree]

I don't even have paws weapon and I have like 0 crystals I am hoo coping hard

[desert lily]

I don't have HoO

[untold tree]

Ah

[untold tree]

How come I can't get these brackets...

[craggy sentinel]

sea rl brackets are pretty funny

you either get into the forgor to abyss but is a myriad player bracket or the a3 players who only know to spam basic

[desert lily]

Kek

[craggy sentinel]

literally no inbetween

[untold tree]

I see... Red lotus isn't real... It's just hell for a3 and nirv players....

📝

[rancid plank]

I wish I had HOO

Then I could skip to do more backpulling

Tragically getting her from reserve works is so fucking expensive

[desert lily]

Lots of orbs

[rancid plank]

Tbh if Paladin gave twice as many orbs as knight

I’d be so tempted

[desert lily]

Sadly it doesn't

Only enough just for a Valk

[rancid plank]

Yeah. And I’m not paying those garbage prices for 6 lol

[desert lily]

You don't get more xtals with Pala tbh yeah

[main goblet]

ngl part of me wanna get trio gear from reserve after i get all the p1 dkeys because i won't have any other use for the balls aside from collection... i dunno if there's any niche p1 gear that can be even considered after im done getting dkeys from there...

[desert lily]

Maybe something for MA?

[main goblet]

im so tempted to skip rita bc my pulls will be cooked unless i get lucky on her
but at the same time i don't have any alternative for her niche

[main goblet]

ig but idk what would be considered..

i could make a si hos sns team for ss cases since hoh thel sena is my only real ss boss lineup but that would take 50 years to complete...

hoo might be the closest consideration if i can rank her up

[desert lily]

SI team for Kallen or anything Phys in SS

But again yeah

[main goblet]

si hos sns lineup in ma is the most i have seen there
mainly prior to hoo dps and hoh thel

[desert lily]

Ah

[main goblet]

hm i guess i could make my si from 2/4 to 4/4 for fun...?

[obsidian berry]

Isnt many SS bosses 0s run still use prom griseo carole?

Can be worth

[main goblet]

TA? idk

[obsidian berry]

Nah maybe not worth

[glass nacelle]

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[obsidian berry]

wat in the strat

[ornate parcel]

Hellooo i was wondering if ritaa would be great with elysia ? im trying to do a team around her im new to the game tho !

[glass nacelle]

which elysia

[ornate parcel]

The new one

[glass nacelle]

rita best team is sena ely

[ornate parcel]

So yes she would be great to pull ?

[glass nacelle]

need to wait 1 week bcs she hasn't released in live server

[ornate parcel]

Okayyy :) thxxx

[abstract night]

Ely being HoH?

[glass nacelle]

elybad

[abstract night]

Theres two elys

[glass nacelle]

both bad

[abstract night]

True

But is it HoH?

[obsidian berry]

nein

[desert lily]

Hohe shit support

Except GoI

[glass nacelle]

at least she's fast

trade-off

[clear vigil]

[main goblet]

you were told that new elysia can support new rita but unfortunately new rita cant support new elysia
you can wait for better info on how synergistic they are though

[abstract night]

No way >:(

[gleaming imp]

Elygood not elybad

Hoh loa support got me a couple of +100 in RL

[smoky lintel]

cuz RL is slacc just by comparing numbers HoHe is sadly a really mediocre wod and loa supports

don't get me wrong i also used her for quite some time since i did not had anyone else for my fws and it worked fine but and enough for RL at least as a LoA support

[muted mauve]

Senadina actually having a use

[gleaming imp]

What happened to teriteris weapon and stigmata?

[austere raven]

chat when do we think Vita in bp?

[smoky lintel]

if we go by release order 8.9, though hoyo does not always do that

[naive briar]

chat, look at the current bp and count in playable order for a rough estimate

[austere raven]

they sometimes are added in order sometimes no

[naive briar]

skips the one you want most

[glass nacelle]

Powered duo

[gleaming imp]

Oh that makes sense ty

[steep axle]

i suspect im in sea rl instead of eu most times

i swear eu rl was chill

i didnt even get a single retain this year

[shrewd socket]

maybe you should start not skipping just bc design

[steep axle]

i said a year

fdd wasnt even out last time i retained

hell even dudu wasnt released

[abstract night]

Wasnt last year like vita?

[steep axle]

i think vita was my last retain 😔

[desert lily]

[mossy escarp]

uh

[desert lily]

Extreme Weather flying Fish?

[still vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368868809336946698/1405418308940988528/kitty-puke-puke.gif

[desert lily]

PAWS, FDD, RS

[still vine]

wow i have no PAWS

[desert lily]

Cope with RS then

[desert lily]

@tawny scaffold

[tawny scaffold]

what the actual fuck

[still vine]

[glass nacelle]

Hle cope

[still vine]

why HLE

[feral epoch]

i have no rs

[desert lily]

Hoyo was high

[tawny scaffold]

I SAID IT AS A JOKE I DIDNT THINK IT COULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN

😭

[naive briar]

your fault if you jinx it

[still vine]

what even is extreme weather

[desert lily]

GoI weather

The one boss where RS support matters

[still vine]

so HLE/calorie/RS?

[desert lily]

If no PAWS yes

[still vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901268521181401108/1188401322257555497/catdisappearlah.gif?ex=659a63fa&is=6587eefa&hm=10986ef51b2c74a365a2012ef6fed943dd4c7554ef597ed85d43843618ffebc7&

[gleaming imp]

[copper shale]

dudu shill crazy

first time

[desert lily]

Flux would have been better

[copper shale]

well they can give dudu a flux flying fish eventually one day

[desert lily]

True

[glass nacelle]

Dudu dlc in next patch

[copper shale]

i rather have adult dudu tho

[obsidian berry]

[muted mauve]

Oh they finally remembered that Bianka was on the banner

[glass nacelle]

V3b : ritaover

[obsidian berry]

Noooooo

[willow pumice]

v4

V8.6 is 9 weeks patch
Rita supply is 6 weeks long

[obsidian berry]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-23674110

[shrewd socket]

[still vine]

[glass nacelle]

Wodover

[obsidian berry]

https://tenor.com/view/emojis-bola-amarilla-sufrimiento-grito-agonía-gif-27543452

[umbral spoke]

i think they're trying to push more importance on full ult

[feral epoch]

they just want vita to still alive

[umbral spoke]

what does this have to do with vita

[steep axle]

does rita do anything with dudu

is she like dudu support or does dudu support her or anything

[obsidian berry]

The AR tags match but no special skill like what Coralie and Helia have

[desert lily]

Badum, PS, Spork, and JDS are probably gonna still be better for RS

[desert lily]

Think they did that so Helia could still be on a team with FDD if FDD is DPS

[obsidian berry]

when dudu in team, Rita +50% TDM where?

[desert lily]

Kek

[sly thorn]

how much bchips is vita skin

[glass nacelle]

vitaover

[desert lily]

Rita better than Vita wtf

[velvet dune]

No way lmfao

[umbral spoke]

no info yet afaik

[sly thorn]

any clue when we'll know?

[desert lily]

Probably when CN gets to 8.6

[obsidian berry]

if u compare older ones then
1680 on first week, 1980 on second week and later

[sly thorn]

thank u

[muted mauve]

I'm lacking dmg on first phase :/
Also lost like 12~15 points on bad transition strat

[muted mauve]

Missing that tiny bit of atk to end phase 2 on SO finisher

#💁gameplay-help

[clear vigil]

[desert lily]

Shit boss

[muted mauve]

So what do Senadina and Vita even do now? (Well Vita still has Cora + Seele support but still)

(Watch new year be another WoD Valk and she needing both Ely and Rita)

[desert lily]

I'm hoping she's a GoI

[glass nacelle]

it's just raw dmg tbh

and recent valk always need breach for more damage

[steep axle]

breach 🙄

[desert lily]

Breach good

[steep axle]

vitagood

i shall get vita SS

[glass nacelle]

I'm quite surprised that it's been more than a year but Vita is still one of the characters with the highest scale

that's why her boss is so tanky

[steep axle]

i like vita

might be one of my fav valks from p2

i should do a tierlist sometime

good enough

is there like a rita boss that needs dudu im still on the copium

[desert lily]

[steep axle]

that dudu WoD cant be useless i swear

[rain isle]

[desert lily]

Susbear birthday I'm guessing

[copper shale]

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oh i got baited by title

which turns out to be another guys comment

[shrewd socket]

so it got fixed or nah

[copper shale]

nah was some very intelligent player who couldn't get the score and calls it fixed, but its still there, can still skip phase

i saw title and went wtf and ranted a little but i alr deleted, turns out all is good in the end

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if they kill p1 when red circle alr finishes (hod coming down) u def can't skip phase

they prob just too slow

[glass nacelle]

https://b23.tv/AQA4lWw

Flying fish vid but the thumbnail

[still vine]

so wait what's the general horbius DPS team, was it only HLE vita because of the SD enemies in that boss?

[copper shale]

ritaover

[vale granite]

It was Badum Vita at S0 btw

[obsidian berry]

Hle/fws/lp

Pick 2 of 3 and whatever

[still vine]

[vale granite]

On Tribunal it was HoFi/Badum Vita

[still vine]

what's the fast combo for world star FWS anyway, i keep hearing about it

[copper shale]

alternate a and jump for full, but theres also aa jump a for 4 reso

[still vine]

is it really fast enough to be worth the damage loss, i think i tried that and it actually did less damage

[copper shale]

u prob didnt do it right then i wont lie

[still vine]

[copper shale]

the dmg for doing everything in full is so little

[copper shale]

oh and sometimes the sliver of dmg loss dont even matter depending on boss

like for gaymax

[final locust]

fws indeed does less dmg than hofi

hofi usually always has the most dmg but you lose stellar drain so

[still vine]

I meant that the fast combo felt like it did less damage than just mashing attack

[final locust]

that makes. no sense i cant lie

[nova osprey]

U lose some dmg from fws but the bulk of the dmg comes from reso procs so it doesnt really matter

[final locust]

is this really even true for HoRb

like i bet vita's hand orb shit does more damage than HoRb's reso triggers

well maybe not

[nova osprey]

Even if horbs dmg is stacked up in her final ult, her reso procs is still the bulk of the dmg when ur doing fws stuff so

[still vine]

[copper shale]

horb reso, if u do 5 reso then ult then reso, is quicker than if u do 6 reso then ult, but less dmg
theres also another particular way to do 4 reso -> ult -> 2 reso that makes it even quicker

in general reso tricks always trade dmg for speed and just depends on the boss thats it

most of the time the dmg the units themselves offer dont matter enough

so u just do the skips

[still vine]

does HLE have any reso cancels

[copper shale]

u prob can try find it urself

if it exists, but i dont see stuff like it

[noble igloo]

How long till the current patch 8.5 ends?@copper shale @still vine

I have 4.5k Crystals..

[main goblet]

its in pins
its says jan 1

[noble igloo]

Enough time to save for rita and her weapon?

[gleaming imp]

That's like 8k more crystals assuming RL retain

[main goblet]

well u got a month but it depends on what do u have that u didnt finish

if u got story then youre more than comfy

[gleaming imp]

Plus always waiting til 8.7 to pull rita though she'll be outside of spending event most likely

Nvm Coralie was in spending event so

[smoky lintel]

They're new so less crystals from abyss and such but more from one time sources

[obsidian berry]

2 pulls is all it takes

[noble igloo]

In 8.7 there's another spending event?

[gleaming imp]

We assume since it's cny

[cinder cloak]

The rewards need to be good or I might have to skip it

[obsidian berry]

Did someone say another skin for Vita?
Coming right up

[cinder cloak]

[glass nacelle]

1h left until stream

[prisma tartan]

[obsidian berry]

Rita buff in live patch trust

[glass nacelle]

*nerf

[prisma tartan]

*revamp

[limber egret]

The bgm ❤️

[magic gust]

is just me or something about her face changed? or perhaps hair?

or maybe it’s just because no part of her is in shadow…
don’t know, something looks different

but I can’t tell what

I can’t even tell where the light is shining from on that img eh, whatever

[steep axle]

**dudu synergy

[muted mauve]

Miss Espionage

[obsidian berry]

No shot Youyun debut in story

[prisma tartan]

[supple furnace]

Finally

[prisma tartan]

more pink hair

imma gues she will be astrl operator

[sinful river]

Ngl Trailer wasn’t as good as last version, but gameplay looks promising

[prisma tartan]

jesus vita outfit elegant

[magic gust]

pls no I wanna pull her and I need more units, less AOps

[prisma tartan]

[sinful river]

But it’s a paid skin 💔🥀

[prisma tartan]

its still elegant

[sinful river]

Most likely a paid skin 😭

[prisma tartan]

rita,pointy rose

remind me of the A bs

[glass nacelle]

Still summer in mars

[muted mauve]

MIYANLIYING1204

[glass nacelle]

What's miyanliying meaning

[prisma tartan]

miyan is lying

[glass nacelle]

[steady pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/gorgeous-you-are-so-gif-22362147

[glass nacelle]

Filled patch ez skip

[sinful river]

Stream over 🥀

[mossy escarp]

https://b23.tv/hQy0ym2

[muted mauve]

谜宴丽影

[steady pagoda]

she's so beautiful what the hell...

[lone grove]

anyone got en names for event version and chapter

[lone grove]

ILY thank u

[glass nacelle]

Ye so she's youyun

[frozen cobalt]

Is that a sniper

[steady pagoda]

every npc, character, aeon, gods, everyone, is Songque

[frozen cobalt]

Shes gonna use a sniper?

Songque the placeholder

[steady grail]

rita and dudud holding hands in prerewieb

even daninc

kiamei never danced

sad menace noises

[celest valley]

they did

[steady grail]

dont lie to me

[obsidian berry]

Hah
Forkin pathetic

[quiet fjord]

Tbh im the only one here who skip Luna even if shes free

[quiet fjord]

Shes not for me tho

[celest valley]

nvm it's fan made cn annivesary video

[steady grail]

never question my kiamei knowledge

[celest valley]

i forgot i thought they dance toghehter in winter memories

[celest valley]

if you have all the kiamaei knowledge

name all of their collabs

[steady grail]

says all the collabs in such speed its not mesaurable

[celest valley]

you should get all of her plushie

[steady grail]

me already has two big ass plushies

also me not know where to get

[celest valley]

official store

this is what the other one look like

[steady grail]

Is there a mei mei one?

[celest valley]

no for one only kiana,vita,elysia and kevin

[glass nacelle]

No more shadow

ME

[glass nacelle]

[solar surge]

I don't think mhy can make a non-purdy character
Well, except Lewis, maybe
incidentally, apparently today is Lewis Carol's birthday :404_Carole_not_found:

[naive briar]

@glass nacelle You probably didn't mean it but I am removing the link for bad words. Please avoid posting this one, thank you

[glass nacelle]

[noble cobalt]

I like how we just kinda agreed that Youyun is an astralop...

idk why but she just looks like one

[onyx crow]

NOO DON'T DO THIS TO MY YOUYUN

[noble cobalt]

I think she'll either be an aop for the next AR or an elemental wheel of destiny aop since Sera isn't great on elemental WoD valks unless you have her ranks

[shrewd socket]

future is uncertain

[gleaming imp]

I would prefer playable so I can have a skip patch and a save up crystals

[onyx crow]

Yeah I unfortunately also think shell be AstralOP but I'll pray everyday ok shell be playable trust

[shrewd socket]

they can always make another

[magic gust]

at this rate another one would be 2030

[rain isle]

[final locust]

what

sera isn't great for elemental or phys wod at S 😭 she needs SS but she's still an elemental wod asop

also dont disrespect youyun like that

she's so cute she deserves to be a valk

[abstract night]

Songque likes her regardless

[final locust]

in terms of damage S sera isnt that good for JDS, if you crit mald you can probably do better with a diff asop but shes a QoL more than anything

[abstract night]

Songque doesnt buff Phys

Teriop is just 5% tdm during SO

Chexune is 5% pdt during arc, 12% pdt during SO, maybe some intial ari depending on team,
SS is up to 3% tdt (or 0) depending on team and -4s on SO
SSS is 6% ult dmg taken

Dreamseeker is 7% tdt during SO and 12% tdm and 5% non type elemental take more dmg.

Then sera is
During SO 18% pdt
8% tdm
26% cdmg
Crit conversion
Reducing ar cd when it gets full by 2.5s
14 ari when phanthom hits (can be triggered twice)

[abstract night]

How come?

[final locust]

she's overloaded with CD already, sera takes a good chunk of her CD away, and 8% TDM is whatever

[abstract night]

What aop would you use

Over S sera

[final locust]

if it was S vs S i might use chenxue

if i were willing to crit mald

(im not)

[abstract night]

S chexune vs S sera is
5% pdt (arc) vs N/A
12% pdt (SO) vs 18% pdt
N/A vs 8% tdm
N/A vs 26% cdmg

Intial ari depending on team vs up to 28 ari restored based on phanthkms

[final locust]

JDS usually doesn't need the ARI during SO

she could sometimes

[abstract night]

The ari for both is just a nice little bonus

[final locust]

problem is JDS has so little CR that sera takes like

50CD from her? to convert the crit

[abstract night]

But if its that much the 26% cdmg would be more beneficial, correct?

[final locust]

not really

she's still taking CD

[abstract night]

So really only 24% cdmg is taken from jds instead of 50% (based on ur numbers)

[final locust]

if you think of it that way she still takes 24 CD from JDS

which is most of her T stig's worth

[abstract night]

So u still gain cdmg

U lose less

[final locust]

and she's pretty overloaded with CD already

[abstract night]

How does S chexune beat S sera

[final locust]

3* PB could even beat S sera

maybe not if you're not using RS

[final locust]

probably from the higher damage during ARC

depends on the boss/run

[abstract night]

If we're comparing arc
Then its 5% pdt vs 8% tdm and 26% cdmg

[final locust]

the TDM is way less worth than the PDT so disregard it

it's really 5% PDT vs 26% CD

[abstract night]

The tdm still exists

[final locust]

it's essentially worthless

[abstract night]

You cant disregard it

[final locust]

you can disregard TDM unless its a huge number
8% TDM is horrible

[abstract night]

If u do disregard it, then
Dreamseeker is absolutely terrible, only has 7% tdt in SO nothing else

[final locust]

yeah DS is pretty bad

[abstract night]

Yet we still use her

[final locust]

DS's TDM number is also higher than sera's

[final locust]

what else do you propose people with no limited asops use?

[abstract night]

Ah but its a little number so it doesnt matter

[final locust]

if you have 4* kiaelf which is obtainable for free you dont need to use DS unless for phys anymore

yeah DS is bad but they're legit the only option lol

[abstract night]

Its still a multiplier increase

[final locust]

it's very saturated in every team

PDT is a lot less saturated

[abstract night]

I guess.

It makes sense but thats all chex gives

[small wing]

No way can you use kiaelf with ice teams tho

Or phys

[abstract night]

You can technically

[abstract night]

No

[solar surge]

gather is gather, I guess

[abstract night]

Uh i guess

[final locust]

you can

it's not super good tho

[small wing]

Exactly

[final locust]

actually

4* kiaelf might be better than SSS DS

8% tdm ARC
10% elemental dmg SO
12% TDT in SO

so yeah it's better in SO at least

which should give it the edge since DS in ARC has 4% more TDM which is ignorable

kiaelf's buffs in SO are more favorable so more damage

[abstract night]

But cant u disregard tdm unless its a huge number?

[final locust]

not when comparing tdm lol

[abstract night]

Yeah okay

[final locust]

8% tdm vs 12% tdm youre still gonna do more damage with 12% tdm

but the SO buffs make the 4% less TDM worth it

[abstract night]

Also the 8% tdm is permanent as long as u have 2 different elemental types
Fire and Ice
Fire and Lightning
Ice and Lightning

[scarlet sapphire]

I'll add that we do have one Ice elemental character who does almost all of her damage in SO, so kiaelf is definately relevant there

[still vine]

[abstract night]

Ely elf looks at you

[scarlet sapphire]

There are people out there with 4* kiaelf and 0* ely elf
Like me

[abstract night]

There are also people with 4* ely elf and 0* kiaelf

[gleaming imp]

Very less likely

[slate elm]

i'm still at 3* kiaelf and 0* elyelf :>

[still vine]

wow me too

except then i just felt like rolling a chenxue so i just use her for literally every team now

[slate elm]

i think lack of chenxue has punished me the most out of any gacha op so far

[still vine]

[final locust]

sairaan

how are you at 3* kiaelf and im at 4*

[slate elm]

technically i could reach 4* right now if i use the elf box but i don't want to since a dupe isn't efficient

and i never found an actual need to. every instance i used kiana elf hasn't seen a slight difference to warrant the push yet

[final locust]

4* kiaelf would help u this cycle since u dont hv chenxue

[slate elm]

yeah maybe but would it help me enough

[final locust]

i think it would

[slate elm]

are you in my bracket?

[final locust]

errr idts

[slate elm]

that's not something to blindly answer lol

it's something to assess on a case by case scenario

[final locust]

dont think just buy

[slate elm]

an improvement isn't going to matter if it isn't actually changing my trophies

i don't want to hear this from an sss teri or ely salesman

[still vine]

https://tenor.com/view/devil-may-cry-dmc-vergil-vergil-snow-vergil-eat-gif-9559936083458625143

[final locust]

i dont have sss teriri

[slate elm]

that sure didn't stop you from being a salesman though

[gleaming imp]

I only have ss teriteri

[final locust]

because u fake teri fan since u dont have sss

[gleaming imp]

sss Aop as f2p

I could see ss possibly maybe luck dependent but sss is too

[final locust]

drya you constantly have xtals sitting around you just use them on the wrong stuff

[gleaming imp]

My ss teriteri costed me 55 pulls

[slate elm]

i am fine with accepting these allegations :>

esp when i actively shittalked SA

[final locust]

fake fan!!111!1!!11!!!1

[slate elm]

cry about it

https://tenor.com/view/shigure-kira-kira-honkai-impact-honkai-3rd-dance-gif-14432639614168372248

[gleaming imp]

I have 48k atm, currently saving up for vita ascension and paws ascension as of now, only thing that would change my shopping list Is if LV got a DK

[final locust]

every time im reminded of your pulling map a little piece of me dies

[gleaming imp]

After paws it'll be HLE ascension and then rita ascencion pending if I get her from half off multi

Then after Rita it's whoever I like that comes out next

[final locust]

"after rita"

arent you talking about her ascension

[gleaming imp]

Yes

[final locust]

[gleaming imp]

Since after rita ascension next patch would 8.7 Valk ascension

I hope it's a p2 Valk so I can have a patch to breathe

Also hoping I don't get rita from half off multi

I'll just use trio on her shill

[final locust]

stopppp drya

[slate elm]

i just appreciate drya for having a different approach to the game lol

[still vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901268521181401108/1205526359678390324/816759034685161502.gif

[gleaming imp]

I've been able to hit nirv a few times because of ascension technically

Since ascension got me hofin and hoh

Wait adv*

[steep axle]

drya have you tried to use trio on any litost boss

[gleaming imp]

Only maintained nirv once though on a vita shill

[steep axle]

i swear its bugged

[final locust]

litost

[steep axle]

something is up with it

[gleaming imp]

Litost in RL is trio fodder

[steep axle]

i cant do second charged after 1st AR

[gleaming imp]

Hofin ignite may be the equivalent of she had a Bob and a dream but that ignite is all she needs

[steep axle]

i should have a video of it on my phone but its lowkey dead

[slate elm]

wait @final locust you are in my bracket lol

[final locust]

i thought i was

[slate elm]

what was this then lmao

[final locust]

i was unsure

[slate elm]

man i'm seeing alot of names here

[final locust]

awawa said theyre all skill issued players

[slate elm]

ok but relative to awawa i feel everyone is skill issued lmao

me included especially

i don't put as much effort as i used to anymore

i'm starting to reach a point where i just want to accept dropping down to RL to muck around

[final locust]

a lot of them are at least SS players

[slate elm]

at some point people getting higher ranks are just a luxury to compensate for worse playing lol

[slate elm]

but what sucks because even if i won't prevent losing trophies, i have to play anyway for myriad crystals

[final locust]

maybe that's what he's referring to

[slate elm]

but also i feel alot of recent weathers have been more straight forward too

especially benares and tona

so these "skill issued" players have less room to screw up lol

[final locust]

granted this boss is p straightforward as well

[slate elm]

cute

[rain isle]

🍞

[still vine]

[copper shale]

are these two new

i dont recall there being 幻灭

and w/e that does

but thats basically 6 weathers guaranteed to be her, ignoring sushang for now

if they do run all of them tho

[glass nacelle]

patch note said this although it's star shadow

[copper shale]

oh

mhy and their consistency with naming

[glass nacelle]

oh +0d

[slate gorge]

what rings are rita again? WoD + ?

[copper shale]

loa

[slate gorge]

Goi?

[copper shale]

is she goi

[slate gorge]

idk im asking lol

[copper shale]

time to check pins again

[copper shale]

i just checked is loa

[slate gorge]

yeah i also checked pin. thks

[smoky lintel]

just from context maybe WoD weather ?

ah

was already said

[strange crystal]

How is S0 Rita v4 as WoD and LoA support?

[obsidian berry]

99% of the time wod support will be ely + rita
For loa she is mid

[strange crystal]

Even when they're both S0?!? Is it breachover for sena/vita?

[abstract night]

Is HoH apart of that 1%?

[strange crystal]

what are rita and hle ranks here?

[craggy sentinel]

i dont think hohe can even trigger the wod things

[abstract night]

HoH dps

[craggy sentinel]

isnt hohe dps more of a hss kind of thing, ik her main ring is wod and all

[abstract night]

What.?

[craggy sentinel]

oh wait no i got it wrong

ws is the one with reso trigger

[abstract night]

...?

[craggy sentinel]

yeah i got it wrong

[abstract night]

Uhm

[craggy sentinel]

mistook wod for ws basically

[abstract night]

Oh

[craggy sentinel]

yeah

[abstract night]

No, i meant HoH dps

[craggy sentinel]

nuh

part of the 1% more like 0.001

i mean hohe dps is just glorified thel dps

[abstract night]

No like, does hoh prefer thelema _ over hle rita

[craggy sentinel]

thele + 3rd slot

[abstract night]

Oh goody

[craggy sentinel]

she relies too much on thel

[abstract night]

Thats great and bad

[craggy sentinel]

yeah

[abstract night]

Tell me breach is better than rita.

For hoh

[craggy sentinel]

im pretty sure its either hle or sena/vita for hohe now

hle has some great wod and ice related buffs

sena/vita bc breach

rita cant win that

[abstract night]

Good

[craggy sentinel]

hle also helps with dmg

since you’ll be using hohe on ice weathers anyways

[smoky lintel]

her ice buffs are only for meele attacks

[craggy sentinel]

insane

[smoky lintel]

she still made it onto HoHe's team though cuz of ranged + tc buffs ig

and she's fast

[craggy sentinel]

yea

[abstract night]

Senas always faster

[craggy sentinel]

because her field time is literally 0

[abstract night]

[craggy sentinel]

no one can beat her in that category

[strange crystal]

@abstract night this one here said that it's hle + rita but idk

[craggy sentinel]

damn you auto correct

[abstract night]

Im kms if it is better, u still need rime tho! And uhh isnt hles on WA mainly?

[craggy sentinel]

lets see when a boss actually runs i suppose

also probs a ranks thing too? idk

since cn beta usually have valks already ranked iirc

[smoky lintel]

she applies rime with a sneeze, it's on WA and ult and she can ult a lot

and easily

[strange crystal]

anyway, i think the basis there is at least ss. not sure if s0 hle/rita are better than usual wod supports (sena, vita, thelema)

[abstract night]

Ugh

[craggy sentinel]

yeah she and thel are rime powerhouses

[abstract night]

And kira

:D

[craggy sentinel]

she’s dead in a ditch stop trying to revive her

[abstract night]

My 4/4 kira shall still murder HoV

[craggy sentinel]

yeah

wait what is that comparison lmao

[abstract night]

Hehe

[smoky lintel]

tbf i don't see something crazy meaningfull for rita support on her ranks but yeah, i can still see the argument for thele especially if you're ari farming during her ult

since rita has no tfd ult afaik

[abstract night]

Wait really?

[smoky lintel]

she has the 3 ari eva though

[smoky lintel]

well her ult has it but you can't move during it

like thele's

[abstract night]

Oh

[craggy sentinel]

yeah thel would prob win when its a very ari and fast SO dependent run i suppose

[abstract night]

Thelema got atf

[craggy sentinel]

her ari farming potential is too real

[smoky lintel]

atf = tfd

[abstract night]

What about shieldbreak

[abstract night]

I suppose

[smoky lintel]

at leat we have our third valk with more than +1 ari on eva now

[abstract night]

But i usually pair atf and hofi held evade with 2 stacks together

[smoky lintel]

what if you just do thele + rita and ari farm the shit out of both

[craggy sentinel]

[craggy sentinel]

is that even an issue nowadays

[smoky lintel]

ig we have kasumi

[abstract night]

:(

[craggy sentinel]

kasumi in the big near end of 2025 is crazy

[abstract night]

Maybe frigid rerun

[muted mauve]

wait, this sounds broken

[plain veldt]

what is the team for Raven Ice?

[still vine]

[vale granite]

Yes, but which supps

[still vine]

seems like a good pick because ice

and then presumably just take your pick of breach

[vale granite]

Ye

[obsidian berry]

Bita hle

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[desert lily]

Sena HLE

[gleaming imp]

Sena Vita

[desert lily]

[still vine]

[glass nacelle]

Sushang kira

[still vine]

[gleaming imp]

Maybe if SS2 I think but like why not use p2 thelema at that point

Still waiting for the simp rs sparkle equivalent for p1 ice teams

[smoky lintel]

what p1 ice team

they're all dead

[gleaming imp]

SW and HoR and HoTruth dps I guess

[smoky lintel]

all dead

HoR was straight up replaced
SW lost all her bosses
HoTr was never really alive as a dps

[desert lily]

Thelema replaced HoR

[mild owl]

most alive p1 ice dps is thelema xd

[desert lily]

Most P1 teams that are alive are probably Phys ones anyways

[gleaming imp]

Does FoV still count as alive?

[smoky lintel]

barely

ig she has a boss so yeah

[gleaming imp]

LV?

[smoky lintel]

technically she also has a boss, really depends on what your definition of alive is

relevant ? no
still has like 1 boss ? yeah

[gleaming imp]

I guess a boss that reruns and doesn't appear once and never again once

[muted mauve]

What matters is if the bosses run, existing isn't enough

[gleaming imp]

I still cope for starless andrius rerun one day

[desert lily]

Likely won't

[gleaming imp]

[gilded shoal]

Cope

Even so people will brute force with Vita anyway

[glass nacelle]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1n9SKB5EnZ

triover

[desert lily]

Trio in the grave

[gleaming imp]

It can't be triover I vertical invested in them so much

[muted mauve]

So with Rita's Release it becomes:

• Rita + Sena + Ely
• WoD + Ely + Rita
  Right? (Not sure about SQ)

On one hand, on S0 comparisions, Sena stops being bis for 3 or 4 old dpses but is a support for the newest one. Which seems like a fair trade-off.
The biggest loser is HoFin Kiana.

I wonder if 8.7 will have another WoD / WoD-support to get rid of Sena for good

[desert lily]

Another GoI dps in 8.7 please

[glass nacelle]

should be another AO not support

[muted mauve]

one does not contradict the other

if anything you'd want to match AO with valk release

[glass nacelle]

but i think it should be AO can sup wod + ws

and 8.7 valk is ws

wod upgrade is enough now

[gleaming imp]

I would like that

I don't have one for wod/ws only 4s kiaelf and sss ds

[desert lily]

I mean you can cope with Chenxue if you used HLE/Vita support

[gleaming imp]

Have to wait for hle ascension to pick her up, I do have badum vita for my horb

[desert lily]

[gleaming imp]

Which let's me use chenxue for horb badum vita

[desert lily]

HoRb has Symbiosis anyways

[copper shale]

where v3.999 nerfs, anyways just means ceiling is higher yea, most ppl still stuck with 2s

and yea looks about right

the 1s is just that u no longer need to break the shield in p1

u jsut outright kill him

that day has come for otto

[still condor]

didnt HoTr have bull for like 1 patch

[still vine]

[still vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368868809336946698/1405418308940988528/kitty-puke-puke.gif

[copper shale]

wow bleed

lv moment

[still vine]

me whenever i see a weather that i don't have the character for

[clear vigil]

[still vine]

just happened with this weather, no helia so i just went 15k and quit because there's no point in even trying

[desert lily]

I gotta cope with HLE or Badum I would guess

[still vine]

why them

this is a bleed boss for psy characters

[desert lily]

I don't have LV

And you should know PS' issue

[still vine]

i in fact don't know her issue because i skipped her too

[desert lily]

She's Bio

[still vine]

[desert lily]

So I suggest them with PS support since PS is TC'd

[still vine]

my only bleed is

get me out

[desert lily]

Oof

Guess sleep then if you don't feel like using SI

[still vine]

i mean i could do potential man DPS but let's be real that's not even gonna get top 10 so why bother

[desert lily]

Yeah-

[muted mauve]

As always end of patch = Weird niche.

Symbiosis Fish for Dudu rerun (shieldbreak + stun)
Bleed Tribunal for Teri rank banner (LV support)

[desert lily]

I have two options-
HLE, PS, FDD
Or
FWS, PS, FDD

[obsidian berry]

U forgor 15k and sleep

[desert lily]

Don't wanna

Tempted to run PAWS, FDD, HoRb on Extreme weather flying fish

[main goblet]

me when i show up twice in the same patch but i put a different name tag

well at least that means that i have to somehow promote flying fish without rs so i can skip this guy

[desert lily]

HoC did the same in 8.3 funny enough

[main goblet]

ye

one weather change and the team is flipped

[desert lily]

I mean one Valk is prominent in both

[main goblet]

at least for clock or hoc
but for this guy i can't even try horb

and ps is tc'ed

[desert lily]

Maybe PS support?

[main goblet]

i don't have a specific dps that can be picked for this tbh

ig at least ill try flying fish with paws without rs and hope that gets me somewhere

[tawny bramble]

is rita worth pulling if i don't have the team? (atleast based on what ive seen so far its rita sena/vita hle i only have hle for her) asking because if yes im planning to grind some g3 for her affix reroll

or is it still too early to decide

[umbral spoke]

who are your alternatives for 3rd slot?

literally just vbm?

[tawny bramble]

paws and fdd too

[umbral spoke]

neither work for WoD

best you can do is a LoA team with rita

not on her dps shill ofc

although idk if she'd outperform paws

i would pull her regardless honestly

having someone around who can deal with imaginary will be a godsent to you, even later after her shill is over

[abstract night]

U can do Rita fdd hle prob

[umbral spoke]

and WoD is one of the rings that play just fine with VBm third slot

[umbral spoke]

i mean fdd can be put there, but most of her stigmata buffs just wont apply

tsiol is ring-agnostic

[abstract night]

30% edm
17% tdm
19% edt
10% tdm

[umbral spoke]

yeah tsiol provides definitely more

and the breach isn't even worth mentioning from fdd's ult

[tawny bramble]

yeah i initially wanted to pull her for img stuff but ofc no proper team

[umbral spoke]

you'll get there

she wont be the last valk that can support WoD

[abstract night]

Vs
16% edm
12% tdt (+15%)
15% tdm
(+100%toallbuffs)

[abstract night]

Why not

[umbral spoke]

the +100% breaks the ceiling entirely

[umbral spoke]

its just that low on unsupported rings

[abstract night]

It doubles the values